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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 02:30:33 PM »
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 02:39:21 PM »
You may notice all of the quotes from unnamed "former senior administration officials".

Thanks, that's helpful.

This entire piece pushes the Democrat narrative, which is unsurprising given the composition of The Hill's editorial staff.   
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 02:40:59 PM »
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 02:43:33 PM »
You may notice all of the quotes from unnamed "former senior administration officials".

Thanks, that's helpful.

This entire piece pushes the Democrat narrative, which is unsurprising given the composition of The Hill's editorial staff.   

So what's the GOP narrative? 

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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 02:58:49 PM »
So what's the GOP narrative?
Entertaining Dr. Seuss recitals, by their most popular figure.

(along with the apparent inability to game this whole thing through, to obtain something for their less-than-veto-proof majority of one house).
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 03:05:09 PM »
Entertaining Dr. Seuss recitals, by their most popular figure.

(along with the apparent inability to game this whole thing through, to obtain something for their less-than-veto-proof majority of one house).

Thank you for repeating an insipid Democrat talking point while ignoring Mr. Cruz's detailed, substantive arguments made over the course of 23 hours.
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 03:08:02 PM »
Thank you for repeating an insipid Democrat talking point while ignoring Mr. Cruz's detailed, substantive arguments made over the course of 23 hours.

And what good did all that talking do?  It filled Cruz's campaign coffers and padded his resume if he wants to run for President. 

And he managed to let Harry Reid back Republicans into a corner.
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 03:14:02 PM »
And what good did all that talking do?  It filled Cruz's campaign coffers and padded his resume if he wants to run for President. 

And he managed to let Harry Reid back Republicans into a corner.

You don't get it: Harry Reid was never going to give an inch, no matter what. Not on the ACA and not on the debt ceiling.

This is Democrat kabuki theater. The leadership will not negotiate with Republicans on anything, ever... unless their members can be scared into it.

And the only way that happens is by changing public opinion, which will not be accomplished by simply voting for a (so-called) "clean" resolution and letting the ACA go into effect and trying to fight it next year - an election year in which nothing substantive will be accomplished.

By 2015, the ACA will be a full-blown disaster - just as was planned.
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 03:16:41 PM »
You don't get it: Harry Reid was never going to give an inch, no matter what. Not on the ACA and not on the debt ceiling.

Oh he gets it.

It just doesn't make any difference to him...


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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 03:25:28 PM »
You don't get it: Harry Reid was never going to give an inch, no matter what. Not on the ACA and not on the debt ceiling.

This is Democrat kabuki theater. The leadership will not negotiate with Republicans on anything, ever... unless their members can be scared into it.

And the only way that happens is by changing public opinion, which will not be accomplished by simply voting for a (so-called) "clean" resolution and letting the ACA go into effect and trying to fight it next year - an election year in which nothing substantive will be accomplished.

By 2015, the ACA will be a full-blown disaster - just as was planned.

So you're going to change public opinion in two weeks?
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 04:02:21 PM »
So you're going to change public opinion in two weeks?

Changing public opinion is a long-term goal. The short-term goal is to galvanize opposition to ObamaCare and move the needle just enough to get the Democrats back to the table. When people see the absolute lack of impact on their lives of the horrible, awful, calamitous "shutdown", it will begin to dawn that they are being played for fools by Ruling Class statists of both parties who have built their entire careers on centralizing power, control and other people's money.

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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2013, 04:10:52 PM »
Thank you for repeating an insipid Democrat talking point while ignoring Mr. Cruz's detailed, substantive arguments made over the course of 23 hours.

No kidding..

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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2013, 04:23:57 PM »
I find it interesting that when Mitt Romney was the GOP nominee and the election was near, we did not hear a single peep of criticism from conservatives about whether it was wise to run a rich, moderate, establishment Wall Street Mormon against OPapaDoc.  We kept our mouths zipped.  In fact most of us, myself included, put R2's in our online names to show solidarity.  Now, when conservatives need solidarity, where are the moderates?  Running for the exits, that's where.  Helping OPapaDoc win his victory.  This stinks, it really does.

The decision has been made.  The GOP members of the house have voted.  It's time for certain people to come to the realization that if you can't support us, then just STFU.
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2013, 04:24:58 PM »
The Sinkspur/Truth_seeker strategy. Remarkably effective.

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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2013, 04:27:56 PM »
worth repeating

In fact most of us, myself included, put R2's in our online names to show solidarity.  Now, when conservatives need solidarity, where are the moderates?  Running for the exits, that's where.  Helping OPapaDoc win his victory.  This stinks, it really does.

The decision has been made.  The GOP members of the house have voted.  It's time for certain people to come to the realization that if you can't support us, then just STFU.

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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2013, 05:03:52 PM »
The Sinkspur/Truth_seeker strategy. Remarkably effective.



A bit unfair, perhaps.

I think that they just don't quite understand who and what we are dealing with.

If every single Republican in Congress were of a moderate, shall we say "Boehner-esque" inclination (except: mostly sober), Barack Obama, Harry Reid and all the rest of the Democrats would still call them "radicals" and terrorists".

They would. But why?

Because Obama's Democrat Party is itself, a radical enterprise, committed to the fundamental transformation of America into something it is not, and which its own Constitution forbids. And so, to convince a majority to go along with their plans for a better world: they need to lie.

They are, and always have been both statists and socialists. They believe in centralized government power and planning. They believe that government and not God is the source of your rights, and mine. They view power with envy, and individual liberty with disdain. They covet what they have not themselves earned and employ armies of the covetous to enrich themselves at the expense of those who produce and create and yet allow themselves to be pillaged, whether out of misplaced guilt or carelessness, or weakness.

They have labored for over 100 years to bring us to this time. They control the culture, the schools, the bureaucracies, and even many mainline religious institutions. They have systematically attacked and destroyed the institutions that lay between the individual and the state: families, neighborhoods, membership associations, charities, churches, and synagogues. They have fostered and created dependency in place of independence; indifference in place of commitment; irresponsibility in place of honor. Progressives have done all of this.

And now, they need to be stopped.

Not by compromise, which they abuse as a weapon against decent people who actually mean what they say. But by fighting back - and rolling back - all of their dreadful works.

If the idea of America is still worth fighting for - even if our President thinks it is not, and I think he clearly believes that it is not - then it is long past time to start fighting.


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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2013, 05:32:08 PM »
A bit unfair, perhaps.

Hardly.
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2013, 07:15:57 PM »
A bit unfair, perhaps.

Hardly.

I said "a bit".

And only consequent to a battle for the soul of America that I believe many otherwise intelligent and patriotic people have not yet joined. Give them time.
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2013, 07:57:51 PM »
I find it interesting that when Mitt Romney was the GOP nominee and the election was near, we did not hear a single peep of criticism from conservatives about whether it was wise to run a rich, moderate, establishment Wall Street Mormon against OPapaDoc.  We kept our mouths zipped.  In fact most of us, myself included, put R2's in our online names to show solidarity.  Now, when conservatives need solidarity, where are the moderates?  Running for the exits, that's where.  Helping OPapaDoc win his victory.  This stinks, it really does.

The decision has been made.  The GOP members of the house have voted.  It's time for certain people to come to the realization that if you can't support us, then just STFU.

OK, Jim Robinson. 
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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2013, 08:59:25 PM »
A bit unfair, perhaps.

I think that they just don't quite understand who and what we are dealing with.

If every single Republican in Congress were of a moderate, shall we say "Boehner-esque" inclination (except: mostly sober), Barack Obama, Harry Reid and all the rest of the Democrats would still call them "radicals" and terrorists".

They would. But why?

Because Obama's Democrat Party is itself, a radical enterprise, committed to the fundamental transformation of America into something it is not, and which its own Constitution forbids. And so, to convince a majority to go along with their plans for a better world: they need to lie.

They are, and always have been both statists and socialists. They believe in centralized government power and planning. They believe that government and not God is the source of your rights, and mine. They view power with envy, and individual liberty with disdain. They covet what they have not themselves earned and employ armies of the covetous to enrich themselves at the expense of those who produce and create and yet allow themselves to be pillaged, whether out of misplaced guilt or carelessness, or weakness.

They have labored for over 100 years to bring us to this time. They control the culture, the schools, the bureaucracies, and even many mainline religious institutions. They have systematically attacked and destroyed the institutions that lay between the individual and the state: families, neighborhoods, membership associations, charities, churches, and synagogues. They have fostered and created dependency in place of independence; indifference in place of commitment; irresponsibility in place of honor. Progressives have done all of this.

And now, they need to be stopped.

Not by compromise, which they abuse as a weapon against decent people who actually mean what they say. But by fighting back - and rolling back - all of their dreadful works.

If the idea of America is still worth fighting for - even if our President thinks it is not, and I think he clearly believes that it is not - then it is long past time to start fighting.




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Re: Not giving an inch is seen as best strategy for win at White House
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2013, 09:11:11 PM »
A bit unfair, perhaps.

I think that they just don't quite understand who and what we are dealing with.

If every single Republican in Congress were of a moderate, shall we say "Boehner-esque" inclination (except: mostly sober), Barack Obama, Harry Reid and all the rest of the Democrats would still call them "radicals" and terrorists".

They would. But why?

Because Obama's Democrat Party is itself, a radical enterprise, committed to the fundamental transformation of America into something it is not, and which its own Constitution forbids. And so, to convince a majority to go along with their plans for a better world: they need to lie.

They are, and always have been both statists and socialists. They believe in centralized government power and planning. They believe that government and not God is the source of your rights, and mine. They view power with envy, and individual liberty with disdain. They covet what they have not themselves earned and employ armies of the covetous to enrich themselves at the expense of those who produce and create and yet allow themselves to be pillaged, whether out of misplaced guilt or carelessness, or weakness.

They have labored for over 100 years to bring us to this time. They control the culture, the schools, the bureaucracies, and even many mainline religious institutions. They have systematically attacked and destroyed the institutions that lay between the individual and the state: families, neighborhoods, membership associations, charities, churches, and synagogues. They have fostered and created dependency in place of independence; indifference in place of commitment; irresponsibility in place of honor. Progressives have done all of this.

And now, they need to be stopped.

Not by compromise, which they abuse as a weapon against decent people who actually mean what they say. But by fighting back - and rolling back - all of their dreadful works.

If the idea of America is still worth fighting for - even if our President thinks it is not, and I think he clearly believes that it is not - then it is long past time to start fighting.

BRAVO!!!

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