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« on: September 27, 2013, 01:01:48 PM »
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Offline andy58-in-nh

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 01:18:17 PM »
I take anything published in Infowars with a mountain of salt. But Seymour Hirsch is no fool. Although a man of the Left, he has been intellectually honest enough to attack both sides when he believes the evidence warrants it. That said, he has played a little fast and loose with his sources (and conclusions) in the past, so one still ought to approach his more explosive charges with caution.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 01:20:36 PM »
I take anything published in Infowars with a mountain of salt. But Seymour Hirsch is no fool. Although a man of the Left, he has been intellectually honest enough to attack both sides when he believes the evidence warrants it. That said, he has played a little fast and loose with his sources (and conclusions) in the past, so one still ought to approach his more explosive charges with caution.

My thought too. I was disappointed when Drudge posted the InfoWars version when there are better sources for this story.

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 01:25:07 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 01:27:21 PM »

I would find it difficult to take anyone who accused these people of lying 'with a grain of salt'.

A man is not a liar because he tells a lie, a man lies because he is a liar...


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Offline andy58-in-nh

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 01:29:19 PM »
Your caveat may have merit, Andy58-in-nh, but this actually came from the left wing Guardian, not Inforwars.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/sep/27/seymour-hersh-obama-nsa-american-media

And who came possibly dispute his major thesis: ?

The Guardian is a rather left-wing publication. But to its great credit, it has seen fit to publish facts and critiques of the Obama Regime that most in the U.S. media would not touch. 
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Offline andy58-in-nh

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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2013, 01:38:01 PM »
I would find it difficult to take anyone who accused these people of lying 'with a grain of salt'.

A man is not a liar because he tells a lie, a man lies because he is a liar...

It is true that Obama is a serial liar and that his Administration has amassed a virtual mountain of factual untruths. But it does not follow logically that everything of which they are accused is necessarily true.

In the present case, there are good reasons to question the official version of events - the secrecy involved after the fact, the hasty disposal of bin Laden's body, conflicts in reported timelines, the fate of Seal Team 6. At this point, the entire truth of the matter still appears to dwell in man-made fog and mist.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2013, 01:43:28 PM »
But it does not follow logically that everything of which they are accused is necessarily true.

I don't remember saying that it would be logical to conclude that everything they are accused of is necessarily true.

And, I suppose I would take it with a grain of salt is someone accused them of lying about... uh... 

Um... I'm having a little trouble coming up with something...


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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 01:49:59 PM »
I don't remember saying that it would be logical to conclude that everything they are accused of is necessarily true.

And, I suppose I would take it with a grain of salt is someone accused them of lying about... uh... 

Um... I'm having a little trouble coming up with something...

Obama 2008: "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America".

He wasn't lying then.

But yeah: that's about it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2013, 03:22:06 PM »
Under Bush at least when they said certain terrorists were dead we saw the pictures to prove it. I still can close my eyes and see the two sons of Saddam. The first thing I wanted to see was a picture of Osama but when they didn't have any I knew it was a false story. I also believe the only time Obama didn't lie is when he said he was going to change the United States of America he certainly has and not one thing he has done has been good for this country.

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 03:24:26 PM »
Obama 2008: "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America".

He wasn't lying then.

But yeah: that's about it.

That's an understatement!

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 03:24:44 PM »
Remember when some onlooker video'd Saddam Hussein's hanging on his cellphone?  :laugh:


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