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« on: September 27, 2013, 10:34:51 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 10:39:15 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 10:41:31 AM »
How many will die from inept bureaucracy and second-hand medicine while we await this abomination to fail?  Would Mr. Henniger place his loved ones the line?  His children?  His grandchildren?
Men act.  Cowards dawdle.  It is our time to choose.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 10:44:48 AM »
I am not sure the collapse of Obamacare will result in the checked-out, fundamentally lazy, politically-correct society rising up and demanding a free society solution.  That takes energy, intelligence and an internal desire to throw off the chains of sloth and correctness on a mass scale.  I don't believe that exists in the whole of America any longer...maybe in some places but not in the nation as a whole.

The collapse is more likely to result in an even greater level of nanny state than we have today.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 10:45:24 AM »
How many will die from inept bureaucracy and second-hand medicine while we await this abomination to fail?  Would Mr. Henniger place his loved ones the line?  His children?  His grandchildren?
Men act.  Cowards dawdle.  It is our time to choose.

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 10:51:10 AM »
How many will die from inept bureaucracy and second-hand medicine while we await this abomination to fail?  Would Mr. Henniger place his loved ones the line?  His children?  His grandchildren?
Men act.  Cowards dawdle.  It is our time to choose.

Would Mr. Henninger place his loved ones ON the line.  My apologies.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2013, 10:54:25 AM »
In the private sector, a particular program lives or dies based on a cost/benefit analysis of the program itself.  In the public sector, it never dies because the cost/benefit is not applied to the program, but to the politicians and establishment.  Therefore, Medicare -- a program that will bankrupt the country -- is deemed "a good program" because "people like it." 
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2013, 10:58:19 AM »
In the private sector, a particular program lives or dies based on a cost/benefit analysis of the program itself.  In the public sector, it never dies because the cost/benefit is not applied to the program, but to the politicians and establishment.  Therefore, Medicare -- a program that will bankrupt the country -- is deemed "a good program" because "people like it."

You are right of course but that does not alter the laws of economics! Sooner or later they WILL come into play.

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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2013, 10:59:51 AM »
I am not sure the collapse of Obamacare will result in the checked-out, fundamentally lazy, politically-correct society rising up and demanding a free society solution.  That takes energy, intelligence and an internal desire to throw off the chains of sloth and correctness on a mass scale.  I don't believe that exists in the whole of America any longer...maybe in some places but not in the nation as a whole.


I think you absolutely nailed it.

And might I add that the Cruz filibuster was about so much more than just the looming Obamcare vote.  It was about changing the way people think.  A huge, daunting task, but we have to start somewhere.

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2013, 11:20:50 AM »
Since Obamacare is not going to be defunded, it should be delayed.  The only feasible way to delay it is to tie that delay to raising the debt ceiling.

However, we find out this morning that some House GOPers won't go along with that, so it appears we are going to be treated to a few days of government shutdown, with all the attendant criticism of the GOP as we witness government workers staying home, pay checks to the military being delayed, and who knows what else. 

I have been beaten to a pulp on this forum because I prefer that we avoid a government shutdown because there is no way to win it.  We will have to fold; Obama holds all the cards.

He doesn't hold the cards in the debt ceiling debate.  But, having caved on the shutdown, Boehner and Co. will be weakened coming out of it.  Obama is then likely to keep the attention on the "recalcitrant" Republicans and we may get nothing out of the debt ceiling debate either.

So, go ahead.  Follow this idiot Cruz off the cliff.  Rest assured, however, that, at the end of October, when the GOP has gotten neither defunding nor a delay of Obamacare and whose already low approval ratings are even lower, I will be the first to say "I told you so."

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 11:29:20 AM »
I will be the first to say "I told you so."


LOL! I have absolutely no doubt about that but if you just happen to be proven wrong what will you say then?

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 11:33:06 AM »
History belongs to the bold.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 11:34:31 AM »
I will be the first to say "I told you so."


LOL! I have absolutely no doubt about that but if you just happen to be proven wrong what will you say then?

Based on history, I won't be.  But, if I am, I will admit it and give kudos to Cruz and Lee.

If I'm not, the GOP will likely have ruined its chances to take the Senate in 2014.  The Tea Party, if it doesn't get its way, is notorious for taking its marbles and going home and will be anxious to teach "the GOPe" a lesson.  So, things will get even worse for conservatives.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 11:35:34 AM »
History belongs to the bold.


"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 11:36:52 AM »
History belongs to the bold.

History belongs to those with a workable strategy.

 The landscape is littered with the carcasses of those who thought mere boldness and personal courage were sufficient to defeat an enemy.
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2013, 11:42:00 AM »
History belongs to those with a workable strategy.

 The landscape is littered with the carcasses of those who thought mere boldness and personal courage were sufficient to defeat an enemy.

I'm sorry but do you fear your own shadow?
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2013, 11:46:47 AM »
History belongs to those with a workable strategy.

 The landscape is littered with the carcasses of those who thought mere boldness and personal courage were sufficient to defeat an enemy.

Why do you insist that there is no strategy to what Cruz. Lee, and others are doing when you know damned well it isn't so?

http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/09/so-what-is-cruzs-strategy/#maTyoiiIih2F1dS0.01

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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2013, 11:50:39 AM »
I'm sorry but do you fear your own shadow?

No.  But I didn't succeed in business by undertaking major projects KNOWING I was going to fail. 

The Democrats ARE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.  The sooner everybody realizes that, the better.

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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2013, 11:55:25 AM »
No.  But I didn't succeed in business by undertaking major projects KNOWING I was going to fail. 

The Democrats ARE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.  The sooner everybody realizes that, the better.

The democrats are not going to back down therefore we should! Wow! That will win every time won't it!

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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2013, 11:55:44 AM »
No.  But I didn't succeed in business by undertaking major projects KNOWING I was going to fail. 

The Democrats ARE NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.  The sooner everybody realizes that, the better.

I agree with that....we're essentially negotiating with suicide bombers in a sense that the more 'damage' suffered by Americans....the more sympathy they garner for their cause.

They don't give a rat's behind if people don't get their checks....in fact they'd have used this strategy earlier but the GOP never gave them the chance.
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2013, 11:55:56 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2013, 11:58:33 AM »
The democrats are not going to back down therefore we should! Wow! That will win every time won't it!

Whatever business you are in I'm very glad I'm not your business partner!

I'm glad you're glad.  Emotion has no place in business negotiations.  I could never work with anyone who doesn't map out every probability.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2013, 12:00:08 PM »
I will be the first to say "I told you so."


LOL! I have absolutely no doubt about that but if you just happen to be proven wrong what will you say then?

Sinkspur has said many, many things over the years that turned out to be wrong, but he never apologizes after the fact.  He still probably thinks Romney is going to win in a landslide.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2013, 12:04:20 PM »
Sinkspur has said many, many things over the years that turned out to be wrong, but he never apologizes after the fact.  He still probably thinks Romney is going to win in a landslide.

It's just a website, Victor.
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2013, 12:04:22 PM »
  I could never work with anyone who doesn't map out every probability.

And I could never work with anyone who knows only surrender!


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