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Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« on: September 26, 2013, 08:12:26 PM »
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 08:27:12 PM »
Nope.

Raymond Burke is not the Pope.  He is the head of the Roman Rota, the Court of final appeal for Marriage Annulments.  His jurisdiction extends to extraordinary appeals of annulments and any other cases appealed to the Rota.

He has NO AUTHORITY to tell any bishop of any diocese that he must deny the Eucharist to anybody.  Bishops are autonomous in their dioceses and are free to exercise discretion in matters of church discipline.

Raymond Burke was kicked upstairs from St. Louis because his priests hated him and he had a difficult time dealing with the faithful. He is exactly where he needs to be:  deciding issues of church law, but essentially harmless in matters of actual administration.

The only bishops who have any jurisdiction over Pelosi are her own Archbishop, Salvatore Cordileone, and Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington.  And, to date, neither of them have deemed her unworthy to approach the Eucharist.

Raymond Burke is relegated to insignificance in a Curial office and is simply attempting to remain relevant.

« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 08:35:50 PM by sinkspur »
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2013, 08:27:22 PM »
Guarantee you that we're going to be seeing a YouTube video of her being denied Holy Communion.

She's not the type to accept the ruling and stay in her seat.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2013, 08:30:15 PM »
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Raymond Burke is not the Pope

It sounds like he is speaking for the Pope

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 08:37:00 PM »
It sounds like he is speaking for the Pope

He is not.  Pope Benedict XVI actually gave Pelosi Communion in New York when he visited in 2008.  John Kerry too.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2013, 08:38:07 PM »
He is not.  Pope Benedict XVI actually gave Pelosi Communion in New York when he visited in 2008.  John Kerry too.

Umm,  we have a new Pope now.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2013, 08:38:43 PM »
Guarantee you that we're going to be seeing a YouTube video of her being denied Holy Communion.

She's not the type to accept the ruling and stay in her seat.

Don't bet on it.  This is not a "ruling."  It's the opinion of an archconservative Cardinal who was fired from his job as Archbishop of St. Louis and relegated to a non-administrative job in the Vatican.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2013, 08:40:57 PM »
Umm,  we have a new Pope now.

And you think Pope Francis who, just last week, said the Church should move away from an inordinate focus on abortion, contraception, and homosexuality is going to speak through a nonentity like Raymond Burke?

This Pope is the last person who's going to use Christ's Body and Blood as a weapon.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 08:42:20 PM »
He is not.  Pope Benedict XVI actually gave Pelosi Communion in New York when he visited in 2008.  John Kerry too.

I know I remember that I was hoping that Benedict was senile and didn't know who they were....I pray Francis follows through..he has said as much about people like Pelosi receiving communion

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 09:05:02 PM »
I know I remember that I was hoping that Benedict was senile and didn't know who they were....I pray Francis follows through..he has said as much about people like Pelosi receiving communion

Denying the Eucharist is a serious matter, which is why most bishops don't do it.  It's a matter for the conscience of the individual.  Singling someone out for humiliation, rather than dealing with them offline, is not something I can imagine Jesus doing.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2013, 11:33:12 PM »
ROLFLMAO.

It's the opinion of an archconservative Cardinal who was fired from his job as Archbishop of St. Louis and relegated to a non-administrative job in the Vatican

He just cannot post without some kind of personal attack.

He just can't.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2013, 11:39:07 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2013, 11:45:04 PM »
Archconservative is not an attack.  It is an apt description.

You know nothing about Raymond Burke.  Google image him.  You'll find pictures of him dressed like an old woman in watered silk out to do her gardening.

Here ya go:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.courageouspriest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Burke.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.courageouspriest.com/category/cardinal-raymond-burke&h=425&w=620&sz=68&tbnid=EMWL1kEqTZeWrM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=130&zoom=1&usg=__KyfUnanxLqsJN91A8MGt4RkVauY=&docid=Ew-ShM8lqxbkuM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q_1EUuD_Acea2AXww4DwAw&ved=0CDQQ9QEwBA

Save your below-the-belt venom for Islam. Don't waste your time on Catholics. 

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2013, 11:45:44 PM »
Save your below-the-belt venom for Islam. Don't waste your time on Catholics.

I am Catholic.  I'm correcting some misinformation. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2013, 11:50:49 PM »
I am Catholic.  I'm correcting some misinformation. 

Amazing.  Who knew.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2013, 11:54:12 PM »
Amazing.  Who knew.

You would know if you read all my posts.  What other Catholic even knows what the Roman Rota is?
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2013, 12:06:27 AM »
You would know if you read all my posts.  What other Catholic even knows what the Roman Rota is?

You may be right.  Obviously, I did not know from the manner in which you present yourself.  Word:  Posting while intoxicated can be dangerous.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2013, 12:10:38 AM »
Interesting, is it not, that Sinkspur sounds very pleased that proabortion "Catholic" Nancy Pelosi, who is so obviously in violation of Canon Law, may NOT be subjected to denial of communion? It is almost parallel to his advocacy of ObamaCare which has also been questioned on here.

And some like to tell me this guy is a Conservative.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2013, 12:13:31 AM »
Attention whoring cannot be fixed.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2013, 12:15:05 AM »
Interesting, is it not, that Sinkspur sounds very pleased that proabortion "Catholic" Nancy Pelosi, who is so obviously in violation of Canon Law, may NOT be subjected to denial of communion? It is almost parallel to his advocacy of ObamaCare which has also been questioned on here.

And some like to tell me this guy is a Conservative.

I haven't even mentioned Nancy Pelosi, Cindy.  I am correcting the misimpression that you left that Raymond Burke has any ecclesiastical jurisdiction over other bishops.  He has none.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2013, 12:20:30 AM »
ROLFLMAO.

It's the opinion of an archconservative Cardinal who was fired from his job as Archbishop of St. Louis and relegated to a non-administrative job in the Vatican

He just cannot post without some kind of personal attack.

He just can't.
That is hardly an attack.

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2013, 01:02:49 PM »
Wrong: That is hardly an attack.

That is exactly what it is, an attempt to marginalize the Cardinal by implying he is out of touch and reactionary. How many times have we seen that very same tactic used by Democrats and the Liberal MSM in regard to some Conservative Republican? Combine that with, ...who was fired from his job as Archbishop of St. Louis and relegated to a non-administrative job in the Vatican., and You know nothing about Raymond Burke.  Google image him.  You'll find pictures of him dressed like an old woman in watered silk out to do her gardening

That last, about being so dressed, is truly despicable, in addition to being completely irrelevant. You will note Sinskspur does not address the Cardinal's pronouncement, whether he has the authority to render it, nor if it is in accordance with Canon Law, not if it is the correct thing to do; but spends his entire time attacking the Cardinal personally in one way or another.

Personally attacking those with whom he disagrees is, as I said elsewhere, the sine qua non of his "contributions" on here; which is also why I said he adds nothing to the Forum. In fact, he detracts from it.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2013, 01:08:05 PM »
Wrong: That is hardly an attack.

That is exactly what it is, an attempt to marginalize the Cardinal by implying he is out of touch and reactionary. How many times have we seen that very same tactic used by Democrats and the Liberal MSM in regard to some Conservative Republican? Combine that with, ...who was fired from his job as Archbishop of St. Louis and relegated to a non-administrative job in the Vatican., and You know nothing about Raymond Burke.  Google image him.  You'll find pictures of him dressed like an old woman in watered silk out to do her gardening

That last, about being so dressed, is truly despicable, in addition to being completely irrelevant. You will note Sinskspur does not address the Cardinal's pronouncement, whether he has the authority to render it, nor if it is in accordance with Canon Law, not if it is the correct thing to do; but spends his entire time attacking the Cardinal personally in one way or another.

Personally attacking those with whom he disagrees is, as I said elsewhere, the sine qua non of his "contributions" on here; which is also why I said he adds nothing to the Forum. In fact, he detracts from it.

The Cardinal's pronouncement is his interpretation of Canon 915.  His interpretation has NO EFFECT on any other bishop or any other person, really. 

You didn't find that picture funny?  I thought it was hilarious.  Ecclesiastics haven't dressed like that in 60 years.
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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2013, 01:23:26 PM »
Denying the Eucharist is a serious matter, which is why most bishops don't do it.  It's a matter for the conscience of the individual.  Singling someone out for humiliation, rather than dealing with them offline, is not something I can imagine Jesus doing.

If protecting the abortionist's right to murder the unborn and to profit from it isn't serious enough to deny the Eucharist... what is?

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Re: Nancy Pelosi banned from Catholic communion
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2013, 01:28:51 PM »
If protecting the abortionist's right to murder the unborn and to profit from it isn't serious enough to deny the Eucharist... what is?

That is the very point Sinkspur refuses to address preferring instead to call people "archconservative" and ridiculing how they are dressed in some picture as if that were relevant.

It isn't.
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