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ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« on: September 25, 2013, 11:37:54 AM »

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 12:31:59 PM »
It's the traitorous media doing it's job again. The White House knowingly lies. The media reports it as solid fact, no challenge, no investigation. Many in the stupid American public believe the media in spite of what they see in their lives. The brighter of the sheep are simply confused.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 12:39:47 PM »
It's the traitorous media doing it's job again. The White House knowingly lies. The media reports it as solid fact, no challenge, no investigation. Many in the stupid American public believe the media in spite of what they see in their lives. The brighter of the sheep are simply confused.

It has become common practice for the media simply to quote the White House as a source to defend what the White House says. I have yet to see a major media source do an independent investigation of the numbers the WH releases. Journalism is dead. It is all propaganda.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 12:42:21 PM »
The media here in Texas is saying that for a family of 4, the cost will be just $11 per month.

No freaking way that is true.
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 12:58:27 PM »
The media here in Texas is saying that for a family of 4, the cost will be just $11 per month.

No freaking way that is true.

Hell, I pay about 10 times that for a family of two on a pretty good corporate plan. No way it will be $11/month.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 01:13:25 PM »
The media here in Texas is saying that for a family of 4, the cost will be just $11 per month.

No freaking way that is true.

It might be possible if the family is on welfare.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 01:54:17 PM »
Maybe that is what the penalty for not having insurance figures out to be on monthly basis.
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 02:07:57 PM »
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 02:10:36 PM »
The key sentence.......... once federal tax credits are applied.

Who is the Federal Tax Credit!!!  US Taxpayers, that is who.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 02:15:53 PM »
The key sentence.......... once federal tax credits are applied.

Who is the Federal Tax Credit!!!  US Taxpayers, that is who.


The Republican plan just introduced last week also contained tax credits of over $10,000 for families and $5,000 for individuals.  Taxpayers would pay those as well.
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 02:17:52 PM »

The Republican plan just introduced last week also contained tax credits of over $10,000 for families and $5,000 for individuals.  Taxpayers would pay those as well.

I don't think anyone should get any tax credits for anything.. I think we should have either the Fair Tax or a Flat Tax so don't throw thatat me, it won't play.  What I see is you are desperate to convince people this bill has to take effect come hell or high water.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2013, 02:23:12 PM »
I don't think anyone should get any tax credits for anything.. I think we should have either the Fair Tax or a Flat Tax so don't throw thatat me, it won't play.  What I see is you are desperate to convince people this bill has to take effect come hell or high water.

No.  I don't want this bill to take effect.  But it's going to take effect.  And it's going to be a disaster, which is what I've said all along.  We'll see how much pressure voters put on Democrats when they have to change doctors, travel 50 miles to find a hospital that will take their plan, and wait months for standard tests.

Letting Obamacare collapse of its own weight was always the only thing that will work.  Dreaming that the Senate would defund or that Obama would sign a defunding was silly.
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 02:24:45 PM »
Even if it would collapse on its own weight, the democrats would push a single payer plan and succeed.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2013, 02:29:20 PM »
The media sure is capitalizing on the glitch in the software giving wrong pricing information. The administration has already admitted they still have no clue how much it will cost people.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324807704579085472970959370.html

 Makes you wonder if the glitch wasn't intentional to get stories like this.

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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2013, 02:30:40 PM »
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,114396.0.html

Obamacare Triples Kentucky Family's Insurance Overnight

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2013, 02:32:33 PM »
Even if it would collapse on its own weight, the democrats would push a single payer plan and succeed.

If the tea partiers don't shoot everyone on the Republican side, and the GOP takes the Senate, the Democrats aren't going to succeed at anything.
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2013, 02:33:45 PM »
Even if it would collapse on its own weight, the democrats would push a single payer plan and succeed.

I agree, but, many Americans are desirous of a single payer plan. The public has been groomed to see government as the solution to their problems. While Obamacare is a train wreck, single payer will be a 1000 car pile up.

With a stupid public and a traitorous media, the only viable option is to let them have what they want, and protect yourself as best you can. Maybe, just maybe, if the public gets a first hand dose of what they want, they'll realize they were sold a bill of goods. If that doesn't convince them, then we have no chance either way.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2013, 02:44:08 PM »
So the $127.20 a month increase in my medical contribution could have been much worse?  I feel soooooo relieved. 
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2013, 02:54:50 PM »
No.  I don't want this bill to take effect.  But it's going to take effect.  And it's going to be a disaster, which is what I've said all along.  We'll see how much pressure voters put on Democrats when they have to change doctors, travel 50 miles to find a hospital that will take their plan, and wait months for standard tests.

Letting Obamacare collapse of its own weight was always the only thing that will work.  Dreaming that the Senate would defund or that Obama would sign a defunding was silly.

If your desire was for it to collapse you would not be fighting so hard to save it.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2013, 02:57:32 PM »
If your desire was for it to collapse you would not be fighting so hard to save it.

I'm not fighting to save it.  I know a lost cause, and this whole defunding effort is stupid, ridiculous and it will fail.  I just hope Boehner doesn't shut down the government and poison the well for 2014.
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2013, 03:05:23 PM »
I'm not fighting to save it.  I know a lost cause, and this whole defunding effort is stupid, ridiculous and it will fail.  I just hope Boehner doesn't shut down the government and poison the well for 2014.

It's never over until it's over.... and   fighting the people who are actually fighting the fight is supporting the opposition no matter how you choose to frame the excuse.

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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2013, 03:06:20 PM »
If the tea partiers don't shoot everyone on the Republican side, and the GOP takes the Senate, the Democrats aren't going to succeed at anything.

You speak as though the Republicans, should they go on to capture the Senate in 2014 would suddenly be willing to defund ObamaCare. Most will not.

A. They don't have the guts or spines to attempt such a thing, especially in the face of what will be a media-driven, Progressive foundation-funded firestorm of opposition, featuring crying babies, starving widows, and homeless elderly couples. In our Left-dominated culture, such appeals will work, as they always do. When brave people stand up to it, they are demonized - by both parties - and often, falsely accused of being motivated by nothing but greed or self-interest.

B. Obama would veto any such measure, just as he would today. He must go.

C. ObamaCare will not simply "collapse" of its own impossible regulatory weight, leaving fertile ground for GOP-led reform. It was designed to fail... after causing private medical service providers and insurance companies to fail first, and to incite public chaos in the process. The plan is to create a consensus demand for single-payer, government-run insurance. Don't believe me? Read their books, position papers, and articles. It's been their plan for years. 

D. Defeating ObamaCare will take years, and will require the leadership of a national political party that is actually informed by conservative principles, not Progressive ones, as are both parties today. It will require leaders capable of defending both individual liberty and a Constitution of limited government and of explaining why such principles matter and why they are right.

If in the end, Tea Party members are the only ones left in America still fighting for such things, I suspect they will have long forgotten the insults hurled their way by socialists and Democrats.

They may not be quite as solicitous of those on the Republican side who ought to have supported them when there was still time to save the nation.
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Re: ObamaCare premiums cheaper than expected, says White House
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2013, 03:31:06 PM »
So the $127.20 a month increase in my medical contribution could have been much worse?  I feel soooooo relieved.

"Contribution" = taxes.  The Obamacare wing nuts will probably use the word contribution, and hope everyone else does also, so it hides the tax aspect. :bs:
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