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Cruz's End Game
« on: September 25, 2013, 11:04:11 AM »
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 11:07:25 AM »
Cruz is the GOP's version of Barack Obama.
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 11:11:21 AM »
Cruz is the GOP's version of Barack Obama.


Weren't you decrying outrageous comparisons yesterday?

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 12:19:19 PM »
Cruz is the GOP's version of Barack Obama.



Obama does not have a tenth of his intelligence.  You do yourself a major disservice throwing out these ad hominem remarks.

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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 12:36:50 PM »
Unlike Winston Churchill (the man who spotted real evil)...

Ah yes.  Ms Rubin takes the time to sustain the idea that there are 'real' politicians.  Unfortunately, at the national-level at least, this simply isn't true.

If they get away from their masters' plans, they are simply shot.  Reagan survived and changed his tune.  Kennedy, and many others, do not survive and are replaced with more amenable tools (LBJ).

We must remember that Cruz was spotted meeting w/ McCain, a man who supposedly 'hates his guts'.  The 'hates his guts' meme is just theatre designed to increase Cruz's stature w/ conservative voters.

The gist of Ms Rubin's article is probably accurate.  Cruz is 'the man' for conservatives but will, in the end, either sell them out (if her personality assessment is correct) or be murdered (if conservative voter opinions are correct).

You simply cannot place your hopes in one man as a 'messiah'.  It must be a broad-based effort that is bigger than one man to be successful.  The 'messianic' hope will always result in either a sell-out or the death of that man.  It's too easy for our 'masters' to take out the 'messiah'.

It always happens that way... always...




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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 12:42:54 PM »


Obama does not have a tenth of his intelligence.  You do yourself a major disservice throwing out these ad hominem remarks.

This is not about intelligence.  It's about narcissism, and these two are supremely self-absorbed self-promoters.
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 12:44:26 PM »
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"Unlike Winston Churchill (the man who spotted real evil), Cruz seems not to grasp that the distinguishing feature of a vibrant democracy is the toleration of and respect for political opponents (not to mention political allies). In his world, opponents are not simply wrong, but morally defective or enablers of evil."

This might be the best modern example of political "Stockholm Syndrome" Ive ever seen. Jennifer Rubin is the Washington Post's version of a "conservative", much as is David Brooks over at the New York Times. Both have repeatedly signaled their identification with the kind of Republicans found most acceptable to their ilk: pliable, non-ideological, and embarrassed by their own base voters.

But I have rarely seen such an overt example of identifying with one's enemies as Ms. Rubin's statement above, in which conservatives are accused - without a shred of supporting documentation - of doing precisely what left-wing Democrats do on an almost hourly basis.

The same Progressives who routinely employ character assassination and smears against conservatives passed ObamaCare without a single Republican vote, and did so by twisting both rules and arms. Is that the sort of behavior that Rubin sees as exemplary of a "vibrant democracy'? As for "toleration and respect", try doing a Google search on "Republican" or "Tea Party" and any one of the following: "racist", "sexist" "bigot", "homophobe", "crazy", dangerous", "evil".

To be fair, the slurs don't just come from Democrats. They also drip from the lips of white wine cocktail party establishment Republicans whose loyalty is not to the Constitution, but to the Ruling Class of which they are a part.
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 12:44:33 PM »
This is not about intelligence.  It's about narcissism, and these two are supremely self-absorbed self-promoters.



Ummm no... THEY aren't.... Obama is....

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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 12:45:38 PM »

Weren't you decrying outrageous comparisons yesterday?

You see no similarities in Cruz and Obama?  Even Obama hasn't compared Republicans to Nazi enablers.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 12:50:49 PM »
You see no similarities in Cruz and Obama?  Even Obama hasn't compared Republicans to Nazi enablers.



No... what I see is you continue to attack a good, reliable CONSERVATIVE senator who is fighting to save our country from a bill you clearly want implemented .... no matter how much damage will be done to the country and every day Americans cannot afford.   That is what I see. . So I applaud and respect the senators fighting fir our country... putting country ahead of self.   

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 01:11:49 PM »
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 01:56:42 PM »
I don't know who Jennifer Rubin is watching, but the guy I have been watching is articulate, reasonable, informed and compelling.  It seems to me Jennifer and others (Krauthammer, for example) are overly worried about their influence within the GOP.  They doth protest too much.
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 01:59:12 PM »
I don't know who Jennifer Rubin is watching, but the guy I have been watching is articulate, reasonable, informed and compelling.  It seems to me Jennifer and others (Krauthammer, for example) are overly worried about their influence within the GOP.  They doth protest too much.


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Re: Cruz's End Game
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No... what I see is you continue to attack a good, reliable CONSERVATIVE senator who is fighting to save our country from a bill you clearly want implemented .... no matter how much damage will be done to the country and every day Americans cannot afford.   That is what I see. . So I applaud and respect the senators fighting fir our country... putting country ahead of self.

If you think Ted Cruz is putting country ahead of his own selfish interests, you know nothing of narcissistic personalities.
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 02:03:21 PM »
A selection of my favorite quotes in a veritable smorgasbord of such comments.

Is it any wonder Sinkspur chose this piece from, as Andy58-in-nh notes, the Washington Posts' house "Conservative"? It is a litany of personal attacks, ad hominem arguments, mudslinging, and half truths. It suits his style perfectly.

You use every post lately to attack me.  In fact, in every post attacking me you accuse me of attacking somebody else. 

And you fail to see the irony.

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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2013, 02:04:02 PM »
If you think Ted Cruz is putting country ahead of his own selfish interests, you know nothing of narcissistic personalities.


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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2013, 02:04:27 PM »
I don't know who Jennifer Rubin is watching, but the guy I have been watching is articulate, reasonable, informed and compelling.  It seems to me Jennifer and others (Krauthammer, for example) are overly worried about their influence within the GOP.  They doth protest too much.

I hope they realize soon that the old guard like McCain are fading away and being replaced by people like Cruz and Paul. They aren't hitching to the train that has a future.

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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2013, 02:05:18 PM »
You use every post lately to attack me.  In fact, in every post attacking me you accuse me of attacking somebody else. 

And you fail to see the irony.

So... people can't point out that you constantly attack people without 'attacking' you?

And you fail to see the fallacy?


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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2013, 06:18:37 PM »
You use every post lately to attack me.  In fact, in every post attacking me you accuse me of attacking somebody else. 

And you fail to see the irony
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I shall endeavor to educate you on the difference between me and thee.

Here are some of your typical posts.

Cruz is a balless wonder...Cruz has been staging nothing but a fund-raising stunt...Ted's a prima donna...an arrogant self-promoter like Cruz... his arrogance and abrasive personality...Cruz and Obama share one trait: narcissism.

Those are merely a few of yours I found referring to Senator Cruz. I found similar ones about Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and Rapunzel, but chose to use only those having to do with Senator Cruz because there are so many of them, they are so very easy to find, and they capture your style with such clarity. Note how they are all personal attacks, vituperation directed at the individual rather than his ideas.

Thus I can say without fear of contradiction: Is it any wonder Sinkspur chose this piece from, as Andy58-in-nh notes, the Washington Posts' house "Conservative"? It is a litany of personal attacks, ad hominem arguments, mudslinging, and half truths. It suits his style perfectly.

I do NOT attack you personally. I do attack the way you post because it consist of little more than "personal attacks, ad hominem arguments, mudslinging, and half truths". I find it personally offensive, feel it contributes nothing of value to the Forum, and, in fact, is far below the customary standards here while lowering its overall quality.

That is not a "personal attack". It's a fact.
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2013, 06:24:01 PM »
You use every post lately to attack me.  In fact, in every post attacking me you accuse me of attacking somebody else. 

And you fail to see the irony
.

I shall endeavor to educate you on the difference between me and thee.

Here are some of your typical posts.

Cruz is a balless wonder...Cruz has been staging nothing but a fund-raising stunt...Ted's a prima donna...an arrogant self-promoter like Cruz... his arrogance and abrasive personality...Cruz and Obama share one trait: narcissism.

Those are merely a few of yours I found referring to Senator Cruz. I found similar ones about Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and Rapunzel, but chose to use only those having to do with Senator Cruz because there are so many of them, they are so very easy to find, and they capture your style with such clarity. Note how they are all personal attacks, vituperation directed at the individual rather than his ideas.

Thus I can say without fear of contradiction: Is it any wonder Sinkspur chose this piece from, as Andy58-in-nh notes, the Washington Posts' house "Conservative"? It is a litany of personal attacks, ad hominem arguments, mudslinging, and half truths. It suits his style perfectly.

I do NOT attack you personally. I do attack the way you post because it consist of little more than "personal attacks, ad hominem arguments, mudslinging, and half truths". I find it personally offensive, feel it contributes nothing of value to the Forum, and, in fact, is far below the customary standards here while lowering its overall quality.

That is not a "personal attack". It's a fact.

I've got a deal that ought to make you happy.

I ignore you.

You ignore me.

You may not uphold your end of that deal, but I will have no trouble upholding mine.
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2013, 07:02:40 PM »
How does your demand become my "end of the deal"?
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Re: Cruz's End Game
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2013, 10:32:11 PM »
I've got a deal that ought to make you happy.

I ignore you.

You ignore me.

You may not uphold your end of that deal, but I will have no trouble upholding mine.

That would be a most wonderful deal, and I'll take you at your word that you'll have no trouble upholding your end of it.


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