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Offline Rapunzel

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« on: September 24, 2013, 07:25:28 PM »

Offline Cincinnatus

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 08:57:14 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 09:40:18 PM »

Offline Oceander

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 09:51:20 PM »
At some point it'd be nice to start seeing some application of the 11th Commandment - which, as originally created - means the liberal side of the party must start tamping down its public hatred/excoriation of the more conservative side of the party.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 09:55:59 PM »
At some point it'd be nice to start seeing some application of the 11th Commandment - which, as originally created - means the liberal side of the party must start tamping down its public hatred/excoriation of the more conservative side of the party.

Ted Cruz has explained exactly what is going on with the GOP on this.  Reid needs 60 votes for Cloture to bring it to a vote.  Now they ALL know if they get 60 votes for Cloture then Reid is going to strip out the defunding of Obamacare and pass it with 51 votes.  The thinking of the French Republicans is they can have it both ways. Tell their constituents who do not understand all the nitty gritty of the Senate Rules " I only voted to allow a vote, I voted no on the actual bill:........when in essence Reid can not get to 60 without the GOP senators helping him.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 09:59:14 PM »
At some point it'd be nice to start seeing some application of the 11th Commandment - which, as originally created - means the liberal side of the party must start tamping down its public hatred/excoriation of the more conservative side of the party.

And vice versa.  Cruz just now trashed "Senators who are sitting home with their families, or at fundraisers, or doing anything but present here, engaged in this debate."  He's at the low end of the Senate seniority hierarchy and here he's ripping men he's going to need in the future.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 10:00:35 PM »
And vice versa.  Cruz just now trashed "Senators who are sitting home with their families, or at fundraisers, or doing anything but present here, engaged in this debate."  He's at the low end of the Senate seniority hierarchy and here he's ripping men he's going to need in the future.

Nope.  Go read the history of the 11th Amendment.  It was devised in order to prevent any further trashing of conservative republicans by liberal republicans.  You'd do yourself a world of good if you started reading a little more deeply about things before you start opining on them.

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 10:11:01 PM »
Nope.  Go read the history of the 11th Amendment.  It was devised in order to prevent any further trashing of conservative republicans by liberal republicans.  You'd do yourself a world of good if you started reading a little more deeply about things before you start opining on them.

Oh. So only those who aren't screaming tea partiers have to refrain from criticism.  Where is that written?

You would do yourself a huge favor by not lecturing me.  Thanks.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 10:31:48 PM »
Oh. So only those who aren't screaming tea partiers have to refrain from criticism.  Where is that written?

You would do yourself a huge favor by not lecturing me.  Thanks.

Even wikipedia should do for this one.  From the wikipedia article The Eleventh Commandment (Ronald Reagan):
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While popularized by Reagan, "The Eleventh Commandment" was created by then California Republican Party Chairman Gaylord Parkinson.

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The goal was to prevent a repetition of the liberal Republican assault on Barry Goldwater, attacks which contributed to Goldwater's defeat in the 1964 presidential election.  East Coast Republicans like Nelson Rockefeller labeled Goldwater an "extremist" for his conservative positions and declared him unfit to hold office.  Fellow Republican candidate for Governor George Christopher and California's liberal Republicans were leveling similar attacks on Reagan.  Hoping to prevent a split in the Republican Party, Parkinson used the phrase as common ground. Party liberals eventually followed Parkinson's advice.

The 11th Commandment was originally devised to rein in out-of-control liberal republicans and they - liberal republicans - would do well to heed Mr. Parkinson's advice again.

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