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Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« on: September 24, 2013, 12:18:27 AM »
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 12:20:36 AM »
Yes, they "should."

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 11:31:22 AM »
Its very difficult to "stand" if you have no spine. :thud:
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 11:36:34 AM »
To be blunt, if the Republicans aren't willing to do everything in their power to defund, delay or repeal ObamaCare, what's the point of voting them majority status to begin with?

To be blunt, this is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on this forum.

Mr. Tamny, exactly how does one repeal, defund, or delay ANYTHING from one House of Congress?
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 12:06:52 PM »
To be blunt, if the Republicans aren't willing to do everything in their power to defund, delay or repeal ObamaCare, what's the point of voting them majority status to begin with?

To be blunt, this is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on this forum.

Mr. Tamny, exactly how does one repeal, defund, or delay ANYTHING from one House of Congress?

CUT OFF THE MONEY!!  Does Congress not hold the purse strings?  Aren't republicans the majority in Congress?  We are asking that all republicans stand together and do this, but some of them have already crossed over to the enemy and surrendered!
It COULD be done!
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 12:08:00 PM »
I suspect Obama cheers this defunding hullabaloo.  He has his surrogates to wage battle, it fractures the Republicans AND it distracts from some very real scandals. 

I fully understand the need to fight, but this... this is a fool's errand (it seems to me).
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 02:29:41 PM »
I suspect Obama cheers this defunding hullabaloo.  He has his surrogates to wage battle, it fractures the Republicans AND it distracts from some very real scandals. 

I fully understand the need to fight, but this... this is a fool's errand (it seems to me).

I am also wondering why we bother to vote for Republicans if they are going to do nothing but capitulate to the Democrats in the senate and in the congress; yes we only have one of three parts of government, but it is not without power to hold the house.    I voted for Republicans to fight against the Democrats, not to go along to get along in what has become a good ole boys club in the senate.

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 02:35:10 PM »
CUT OFF THE MONEY!!  Does Congress not hold the purse strings?  Aren't republicans the majority in Congress?  We are asking that all republicans stand together and do this, but some of them have already crossed over to the enemy and surrendered!
It COULD be done!

Except you can't cut off the money.  90% of Obamacare funding is mandatory spending, completely unaffected by this CR.  So, Cruz is fighting to cut 10% of the spending, a fight he cannot win because the Senate won't pass it and Obama won't sign it.
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 02:38:35 PM »
I suspect Obama cheers this defunding hullabaloo.  He has his surrogates to wage battle, it fractures the Republicans AND it distracts from some very real scandals. 

I fully understand the need to fight, but this... this is a fool's errand (it seems to me).

The Republicans are becoming known for pushing the country to the brink.  All this shutdown talk, and default-on-the-debt talk is cementing in voters' minds that the GOP is willing to play Russian roulette with what usually are routine matters.

And they always lose.  The ONLY victory the GOP has had in the last two years is allowing the sequester cuts to go into effect.
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 02:40:09 PM »
I suspect Obama cheers this defunding hullabaloo.  He has his surrogates to wage battle, it fractures the Republicans AND it distracts from some very real scandals. 

I fully understand the need to fight, but this... this is a fool's errand (it seems to me).

I agree. To take an action that the majority of Americans disapprove of, (shutting down the government), is much like the Democrats passing a bill the majority disapproves of, (the ACA).

It's the law, let it fail on it's own merits. Once it fails, and the Republicans can increase their numbers, then joining the battle may make more sense.

To fight now, because it's "our last chance" doesn't make sense to me. It's like a general, seeing a vastly superior enemy force approching, charging into battle because he wanted to blunt the enemy's progress. The right move is to regroup, and attack the enemy when and where he least expects it. (Tip of the hat to Sun Tzu)..

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 02:41:27 PM »
I agree. To take an action that the majority of Americans disapprove of, (shutting down the government), is much like the Democrats passing a bill the majority disapproves of, (the ACA).

It's the law, let it fail on it's own merits. Once it fails, and the Republicans can increase their numbers, then joining the battle may make more sense.

To fight now, because it's "our last chance" doesn't make sense to me. It's like a general, seeing a vastly superior enemy force approching, charging into battle because he wanted to blunt the enemy's progress. The right move is to regroup, and attack the enemy when and where he least expects it. (Tip of the hat to Sun Tzu)..


You are therefore advocating for a single-payer system.  Are YOU prepared for what that entails when it comes to your healthcare?

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 02:51:20 PM »

You are therefore advocating for a single-payer system.  Are YOU prepared for what that entails when it comes to your healthcare?

I live in a Republic.
I realize I am subject to rules, regulations and laws with which I profoundly disagree.
I also realize that saying the majority of Americans oppose Obamacare doesn't mean the majority of Americans oppose socialized medicine. They may embrace the concept and not the implementation. I don't know for sure. I know in this neck of the woods, the majority does want socialized medicine.
Regroup, educate, and fight from a position of power, not a position of weakness. If the majority of my fellow citizens want socialized medicine, that's what I'm going to end up with. It's not pretty, but it is reality. And I'm used to dealing with reality.

BTW, I know you're upset over this, but to falsely draw conclusions from what I post doesn't help anyone.
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2013, 02:55:09 PM »

You are therefore advocating for a single-payer system.  Are YOU prepared for what that entails when it comes to your healthcare?

We would be in a much better position to do something about Obamacare had tea partiers not voted in primaries for brain-dead candidates like Sharon Angle, Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin as US Senate candidates.
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 03:18:36 PM »
We would be in a much better position to do something about Obamacare had tea partiers not voted in primaries for brain-dead candidates like Sharon Angle, Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin as US Senate candidates.

It was the GOP who trashed those people. We'd be better off if the GOP would accept conservatives into the elite club.

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 03:47:53 PM »
I live in a Republic.
I realize I am subject to rules, regulations and laws with which I profoundly disagree.
I also realize that saying the majority of Americans oppose Obamacare doesn't mean the majority of Americans oppose socialized medicine. They may embrace the concept and not the implementation. I don't know for sure. I know in this neck of the woods, the majority does want socialized medicine.
 

Yes, but not everyone lives in a blue area of a blue state.  Many of us live in very red states where people still fly the flag, love this country and hate creeping socialism and will fight for their country and not give up.... for those living in a blue state it behooves them to explain to their neighbors, fellow workers and friends why creeping socialism is bad for everyone...  not just  :shrug: and say it cannot be changed... it can be changed, but only if we do fight... and fight like hell.

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 03:56:53 PM »
Yes, but not everyone lives in a blue area of a blue state.  Many of us live in very red states where people still fly the flag, love this country and hate creeping socialism and will fight for their country and not give up.... for those living in a blue state it behooves them to explain to their neighbors, fellow workers and friends why creeping socialism is bad for everyone...  not just  :shrug: and say it cannot be changed... it can be changed, but only if we do fight... and fight like hell.

You've talked to liberals. You know better than that. To explain to a liberal how bad socialism is, and will be is like trying to teach rocket science to a chimpanzee.

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2013, 04:03:46 PM »
It was the GOP who trashed those people. We'd be better off if the GOP would accept conservatives into the elite club.

Are you kidding? 

You think Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell,   the "rape is God's will" brothers, Akin and Mourdock are suitable candidates? 
 
They were jokes, as was Sharron Angle.
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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2013, 04:15:27 PM »
Are you kidding? 

You think Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell,   the "rape is God's will" brothers, Akin and Mourdock are suitable candidates? 
 
They were jokes, as was Sharron Angle.

To you they are jokes, but they were certainly better than the Democratic alternative.  In the case of O'Donnell Karl Rove was pissed that she defeated his guy - who had already indicated he was going to do an Arlen Specter and switch parties if elected.  Rove kneecapped her before she even gave her acceptance speech - yet it is she you are angry at when the person that made sure she lost was Rove.

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2013, 04:35:23 PM »
To you they are jokes, but they were certainly better than the Democratic alternative.  In the case of O'Donnell Karl Rove was pissed that she defeated his guy - who had already indicated he was going to do an Arlen Specter and switch parties if elected.  Rove kneecapped her before she even gave her acceptance speech - yet it is she you are angry at when the person that made sure she lost was Rove.

Karl Rove made Christine O'Donnell talk about not being a witch?  Listen, that little lollipop lost that race in dramatic fashion all by herself. 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Republicans Must Stand Firm In Defunding ObamaCare
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2013, 04:40:44 PM »
Karl Rove made Christine O'Donnell talk about not being a witch?  Listen, that little lollipop lost that race in dramatic fashion all by herself.

It would be so nice if you talked about conservative women with at least a little respect.   :shrug:

She might not have failed at all had the leadership of the party helped her out, they tossed her out there and left her hang because they do not like anyone who is a conservative challenging their little fiefdom in the Senate (or congress)....  They only "like" conservatives when they expect us to show up and vote for the like dutiful little Republicans... but those days are gone. Conservatives are tired of being treated worse than second class citizens in the party and the good ole boys are giving us no reason to want to vote for them.


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