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Offline Rapunzel

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Common Core Part Of Mao and Lenin Handbooks
« on: September 23, 2013, 11:40:47 PM »

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Re: Common Core Part Of Mao and Lenin Handbooks
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 10:26:42 PM »
The same can be said of any set of standards.  What, after all, is a standard other than a single, objective benchmark against which everyone is measured?  In academics in order for all children to meet a given standard they must be taught the same stuff; you can't teach one child exclusively math and a second exclusively English, then test them both on math and expect them to get the same grade.

Furthermore, Common Core is just precisely a set of standards - i.e., the minimum level of academic achievement a child should be able to meet - and not some sort of cap that prevents any school from exceeding those standards in one or more areas.

Consider this:  in the "old days" there were the three "R"s - readin', (w)ritin', and (a)rithmetic - which were standards - i.e., each child was expected to know how to read, to write, and to do arithmetic - but those weren't limits beyond which no child could stray, they were minimums; meet the minimums and after that the sky's the limit.

Also, there seems to be some consternation that Common Core exchanges breadth of exposure in various subjects for depth of exposure - i.e., instead of briefly touching on a large number of aspects of a given subject, students are expected to spend a lot more time developing competence in a more limited number of aspects of each subject.  But isn't that precisely what the old Three "R"s were all about?  focusing deeply on just a few subjects for minimum competency, and then being free to pursue other subjects as time and energy permit?  Wasn't the old-school way of learning things - e.g., memorizing multiplication tables - more about depth than about breadth?  In other words, Common Core is in some ways a return to the older ways of doing things.

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Re: Common Core Part Of Mao and Lenin Handbooks
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 04:23:23 PM »
The big problem is this.  Anything dictated by the government is bound to fail as the members of government have no personal interest in it.  It is kind of like allowing illegal immigrants to vote when they have no vested interest in the results.  The conclusion to this program is pre-ordained, just ask Russia.
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Re: Common Core Part Of Mao and Lenin Handbooks
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 11:16:00 PM »
The big problem is this.  Anything dictated by the government is bound to fail as the members of government have no personal interest in it.  It is kind of like allowing illegal immigrants to vote when they have no vested interest in the results.  The conclusion to this program is pre-ordained, just ask Russia.

The ages-old state standards Common Core is designed to replace were also dictated by government, albeit state government; do you therefore also oppose the old standards?


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