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Offline happyg

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« on: September 23, 2013, 11:37:06 PM »
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Offline sinkspur

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 11:45:48 PM »
I'm sorry, but Ted Cruz is NOT a "Republican leader." 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 11:52:30 PM »
I'm sorry, but Ted Cruz is NOT a "Republican leader."

I disagree! If he isn't, why is he always in the news? Why is McCain afraid of him? Cruz is showing the republicans how it's done right.

Offline Cincinnatus

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 12:02:47 AM »
You have it correct, Happyg.

I disagree! If he isn't, why is he always in the news? Why is McCain afraid of him? Cruz is showing the republicans how it's done right.

Leadership does not consist merely of holding some official position within the Republican caucus. That is an extremely myopic view.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 12:08:09 AM »
I disagree! If he isn't, why is he always in the news? Why is McCain afraid of him? Cruz is showing the republicans how it's done right.

If he's a leader, why is nobody following?  Leaders don't trash the people they need to follow them.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 08:37:52 AM »
If he's a leader, why is nobody following?  Leaders don't trash the people they need to follow them.
Because in this age of the ignorant masses, there are very few people left for him to lead.

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 08:59:58 AM »
The answer to the question is: YES. The GOP leadership is trying to lose their base, as some of us have been pointing out for some time now.

More accurately, they are seeking a "new" base of prospective Republican voters, while abandoning the older one. The McCain/Graham Axis would prefer to jettison the current rural/exurban conservative base and replace it with a more urban/suburban (and more liberal) electoral cohort, especially one amenable to amnesty for illegals and central government planning. The internecine battle over Obamacare in the GOP is a proxy war for the larger one to come. 

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 09:53:36 AM »
I'm sorry, but Ted Cruz is NOT a "Republican leader."

Leadership is what one does, not what rank one holds. Do you really consider Boo Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnel  leaders? I don't. And as for Johnnie McLame, I salute him for his service, and condemn him for his idiocy.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 10:01:05 AM »
I'm sorry, but Ted Cruz is NOT a "Republican leader."

Well, this begs the question:  Who are Republican leaders in your opinion?

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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 10:05:52 AM »
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." - Ecclesiastes 10:2

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 10:13:05 AM »
Because in this age of the ignorant masses, there are very few people left for him to lead.

People follow leaders.  What is Cruz leading? 

First, he demands (DEMANDS, mind you) that the House pass a bill defunding Obamacare.  The House passes the bill.

Then, Cruz says the only way he can win is to filibuster THE VERY BILL HE DEMANDED THE HOUSE PASS!! 

But, when he loses in the Senate, he is now demanding that the House pass piecemeal funding for various departments of the government.  (DEMANDING, mind you).

Cruz has 'effed this whole thing up from the start.  Except for whipping up some rabid support, which, I suspect, was the point of this exercise in the first place.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 10:16:21 AM »
Well, this begs the question:  Who are Republican leaders in your opinion?

We don't have any in this defunding fight because defunding is not going to happen. 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2013, 10:24:28 AM »
We don't have any in this defunding fight because defunding is not going to happen.

Okay, excluding the defunding fight who are Republican leaders in your opinion?

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 02:51:54 PM »
We don't have any in this defunding fight because defunding is not going to happen.

You evaded answering her question.  I would like to hear the same answer. WHO in the GOP do you think is a great leader -- who is it you support other then Cornyn?  We know you rooted strongly for Dewhurst and pronounced Cruz would not win this seat.  So what horse do you back in saving our country from ruin.

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 02:57:13 PM »
You evaded answering her question.  I would like to hear the same answer. WHO in the GOP do you think is a great leader -- who is it you support other then Cornyn?  We know you rooted strongly for Dewhurst and pronounced Cruz would not win this seat.  So what horse do you back in saving our country from ruin.

No human being can do the job.  We don't have any leaders in the Republican party that I look to for anything.  Politicians are out for themselves; they don't give a damn about you and me.  Some are a little better than others.
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Offline Cincinnatus

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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 05:20:00 PM »
First, he demands (DEMANDS, mind you) that the House pass a bill defunding Obamacare.  The House passes the bill.

Then, Cruz says the only way he can win is to filibuster THE VERY BILL HE DEMANDED THE HOUSE PASS!!


This has already been explained several times as a necessary parliamentary maneuver requiried in order to filibuster this bill and thus prevent its passage.

This tactic of continuing to ignore facts and instead repeating slogans or talking points in their place is also a time tested Leftist debating tactic and only reinforces my conviction the poster who is doing this is a Leftist ringer, and that is despite all the "I know the guy and have for years" empty testimonials I have received.

His own words and conduct speak otherwise. 
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