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Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« on: September 21, 2013, 09:50:23 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/world/africa/kenya-mall-gunbattle/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


At least 20 killed when gunmen ambush Nairobi shopping mall, Red Cross says
By Faith Karimi and Zain Verjee, CNN
updated 9:31 AM EDT, Sat September 21, 2013

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(CNN) -- Gunmen ambushed an upscale shopping mall in the Kenyan capital on Saturday, leading to a fierce gunbattle with police and at least 20 people killed, the Kenyan Red Cross said.

Fifty people more people were wounded in the attack at the mall in Nairobi, said Abbas Gullet, head of the Kenyan Red Cross.

The gunmen burst into the mall and shot indiscriminately, taking some people hostage, according to a senior Kenyan government source.

It was unclear how many hostages the attackers took, but police are trying to negotiate for their release and retake the building, according to the source.

Attackers appear to be of Somali origin, a Kenyan government source and Western diplomatic sources told CNN.

The military asked local media not to televise anything live because the gunmen are watching the screens in the mall.

Crowds fled down the streets as soldiers in military fatigues crawled under cars to get closer to the mall, guns cocked.

Surveillance helicopters flew overhead.

"We urge Kenyans to keep off Westgate mall, adjacent roads and its environs until further notice," the Interior Ministry said on its Twitter page.

It declined to release further information, saying it will issue a statement later.

"We're doing our job to ensure that everyone is evacuated to safety," the ministry said. "This is a scene of crime, let police do their job."

CNN affiliate NTV reported multiple shooters were at the scene and terrified shoppers were hiding inside the mall, which is popular among expatriates and the wealthy.

The high-end mall opened six years ago, and has more than 80 stores.
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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2013, 10:20:46 AM »
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Attackers appear to be of Somali origin
Big surprise.

NAIROBI (Reuters) - Gunmen stormed a shopping mall in Nairobi on Saturday killing at least 15 people in what Kenya's government said might be a terrorist attack, and sending scores fleeing into shops, a cinema and onto the streets in search of safety.

Sporadic gun shots could be heard hours after the assault started as soldiers surrounded the mall and police combed the building, hunting down the attackers shop by shop. Some local television stations reported hostages had been taken, but there was no official confirmation.

The Somali militant group al Shabaab, which Kenya blames for shootings, bombings and grenade attacks against churches and the security forces, had threatened to strike the Westgate mall, popular with the city's expatriate community. The chain of attacks follows action by Kenyan forces against al Qaeda-linked militants in Somalia two years ago.

Police helicopters circled above the mall as armed police shouted "get out, get out", and scores of shoppers fled the building. Smoke poured out of one entrance and witnesses said they heard grenade blasts.

Others said they saw about five armed assailants storm the Westgate shopping mall and that the incident appeared to be an attack rather than an armed robbery.

"They don't seem like thugs, this is not a robbery incident," said Yukeh Mannasseh who was on the mall's top floor when the shooting started. "It seems like an attack. The guards who saw them said they were shooting indiscriminately."

Kenya's Ministry of Interior said: "It is a possibility that it is an attack by terrorists, so we are treating the matter very seriously.".

Asked if foreign security services were involved in the operation to flush out the attackers, he said, "At this stage it has not become necessary yet."

One eyewitness who identified himself as Taha said he heard the screech of brakes followed moments later by an explosion and then sustained gun fire from the ground floor.

Another survivor said he was shot by a man who looked Somali.

Some shoppers ran up stairs and escalators and hid around the mall's cinema complex. Police found another terrified group hiding in a toilet on the first floor.

At least two dozen wounded were wheeled out on stretchers and shopping trolleys. Many of the victims had multiple light wounds, apparently from flying debris. Other walked out, some with bloodied clothing wrapped around wounds.

The Kenyan Red Cross told Reuters at least 15 had been killed and more casualties were still inside the complex.

"The casualties are many, and that's only what we have on the outside," Kenya Red Cross Society Secretary General Abbas Guled said. "Inside there are even more casualties and shooting is still going on."

"CARNAGE"

Al Shabaab have previously threatened to launch strikes on Nairobi's tower blocks and soft targets including nightclubs and hotels known to be popular with Westerners in the capital. But they have so far failed to carry out such an attack.

"I personally touched the eyes of four people and they were dead. One of them was a child," said one former British soldier at the scene.

"It's carnage up there."

Asked if the attack was a robbery, one paramilitary officer said: "No, terrorist". There has, though, been no official statement from the police regarding the attackers' motive.

Police cordoned off the roads surrounding the mall in central Nairobi's Westlands neighborhood.

Satpal Singh, who was in another cafe on the mall's top floor said he ran downstairs when he heard the gunfire and was shot at near the mall's main exit.

"A Somali guy shot at me. The guy who shot me was carrying a rifle, an AK-47," 36-year-old Singh said.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2013, 10:39:04 AM »
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... One witness claimed gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave and that only non-Muslims would be targeted.

Security guards were seen wheeling out bloodstained bodies in shopping trolleys from upmarket mall in the Westlands district of the city, witnesses said, after the attack that broke out at midday today.

Locals and tourists who had come out shopping on the sunny Saturday morning ran screaming from the building and cars were left abandoned as attackers threw grenades and fired AK47s.  ...
More at Daily Mail U.K.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2013, 11:38:35 AM »
Gunmen threw grenades and opened fire Saturday killing at least 10 people in an attack targeting non-Muslims at an upscale mall in Kenya's capital that was hosting a children's day event, witnesses said.

A local hospital was overwhelmed with the number of wounded being brought in hours after the attack, so they had to divert them to a second facility.

Elijah Kamau, who was at the mall at the time of the midday attack, said that the gunmen made a declaration that non-Muslims would be targeted.

"The gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave. They were safe, and non-Muslims would be targeted," he said.

Manish Turohit, 18, said he saw gunmen with AK-47s and vests with hand grenades on them inside the mall before he escaped to hide in a parking garage for two hours.

"They just came in and threw a grenade. We were running and they opened fire. They were shouting and firing," he said after being marched out of the mall in line with about 15 people who held their hands in the air.

Rob Vandijk, who works at the Dutch embassy, said he was eating at a restaurant inside the mall when attackers lobbed hand grenades inside the building. He said gunfire then burst out and people screamed as they dropped to the ground.

It appears the attack began at the outdoor seating area of Artcaffe at the front of the mall, witnesses said.

Patrick Kuria, an employee at Artcaffe, said: "We started by hearing gunshots downstairs and outside. Later we heard them come inside. We took cover. Then we saw two gunmen wearing black turbans. I saw them shoot."

Some people were shot at the entrance to the mall after volleys of gunfire moved outside and a standoff with police began. Ambulances continued to stream in and out of the mall area, ferrying the wounded who were gradually emerging from hiding inside the mall.

Many of those running from the mall clutched small children. Others were crying. Mall guards used shopping carts to wheel out wounded children.

Associated Press journalists at the mall said they saw at least 10 dead bodies and dozens wounded hours after the attack began. Officials did not yet give an official death toll.

"We are treating this as a terrorist attack," said police chief Benson Kibue, adding that there are likely no more than 10 attackers involved. Gunfire continued to be exchanged outside the mall, as a group of people remained in hiding inside the building.

Police did not say what group was responsible for the attack.

Somali's rebel group al-Shabab vowed in late 2011 to carry out a large-scale attack in Nairobi in retaliation for Kenya's sending of troops into Somalia to fight the Islamic insurgents.

The Westgate Mall is situated in Nairobi's affluent Westlands area and is frequented by expatriates and rich Kenyans.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/21/attack-on-nairobi-mall-kills-10-people/?intcmp=latestnews#ixzz2fXfptMij

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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2013, 01:43:29 PM »
Kenya - and Nairobi - just aren't what they used to be.

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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2013, 02:33:04 PM »
Photos at the Daily Mail link, above.
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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2013, 02:44:23 PM »
Merged duplicate threads since both had replies.
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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2013, 04:44:32 PM »

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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2013, 05:28:18 PM »
Susan Rice:  This was caused by a heinous video that set these poor people off.

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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2013, 06:06:03 PM »
I don't want anyone to think I am indifferent to this tragedy and the suffering and death it has caused, but I wish to remind you Kenya was home to the terrorist Mau Mau movement of the 1950s which led to Kenyan independence and the installation of Mau Mau leader Jomo Kenyatta as its first president in 1964.

You reap what you sow.

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/kenya/a/MauMauTimeline.htm
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2013, 06:23:18 PM »
I don't want anyone to think I am indifferent to this tragedy and the suffering and death it has caused, but I wish to remind you Kenya was home to the terrorist Mau Mau movement of the 1950s which led to Kenyan independence and the installation of Mau Mau leader Jomo Kenyatta as its first president in 1964.

You reap what you sow.

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/kenya/a/MauMauTimeline.htm

Oops.  I forgot to include a history of Kenya.  Must, Remember, Not, To, Omit, Next, Time.
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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2013, 06:40:10 PM »
Kenya also is home to a dear Christian friend of my family, who teaches at Kenyatta University in Nairobi (one of the people pictured below).
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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2013, 06:43:49 PM »
Mountaineer, I am not claiming all the people in Kenya were involved with the Mau Mau, nor even supported its actions. I also hope Kenyans are safe and don't suffer undue violence.

But I put it to you: who taught people like these gunmen that violence and terror are the way to achieve your political goals?
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2013, 07:06:25 PM »
Mountaineer, I am not claiming all the people in Kenya were involved with the Mau Mau, nor even supported its actions. I also hope Kenyans are safe and don't suffer undue violence.

But I put it to you: who taught people like these gunmen that violence and terror are the way to achieve your political goals?

Mohammed?

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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2013, 07:11:38 PM »
Kenya also is home to a dear Christian friend of my family, who teaches at Kenyatta University in Nairobi (one of the people pictured below).
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Hope your friend was not affected by the attack today.

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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2013, 07:22:10 PM »
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At least 30 people were killed during a Saturday afternoon shooting rampage at a shopping mall in an upscale district of Nairobi. The attack is believed to be orchestrated by extremists against non-Muslim Kenyans and Westerners in the area.


Probably more going on here beside the religious angle.

It's a class struggle too.  Envy figures in. 

If you're an angry jihadist, you most likely are unemployed.  What 'joy' is there to kill a Walmart shopper?  [/s]
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2013, 07:28:51 PM »
Probably more going on here beside the religious angle.

A report on TV (Fox News) said Kenyan forces have been in Somalia trying to aid in stabilizing the country's government. It further stated the Jihadis have been warning them to get out and go home.
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Re: Live Thread: Nairobi Terrorist Attack
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2013, 07:30:19 AM »
But I put it to you: who taught people like these gunmen that violence and terror are the way to achieve your political goals?
People with whom Barack Obama Sr. was in complete agreement, I'd wager.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2013, 08:26:28 AM »
These are your people, Effin. Yours and Obama's. Spare us the crocodile tears and phony vows to fight terrorism.
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Statement from John Kerry on 'unspeakable evil' in Nairobi, Kenya
 September 22, 2013 8:00 AM 


Secretary of State
Washington, DC
September 21, 2013

Today's terrorist massacre of so many innocents is a heartbreaking reminder that there exists unspeakable evil in our world which can destroy life in a senseless instant. I want to express my deepest condolences - and the condolences of our entire nation - to the families and friends of the victims in Nairobi today. While the casualty count is still to be determined, we know already that there are at least 30 innocent men, women, and children dead and 60 injured, including several American citizens. We have offered our assistance to the Government of Kenya and stand ready to help in any way we can.

Although we have no reports of any Americans killed today, we have lost a member of our own State Department family: the wife of a foreign service national working for the U.S. Agency for International Development. The men and women of USAID work courageously around the world to help people striving for a better life. While we mourn with her family today, we also pledge our commitment to do whatever we can to assist in bringing the perpetrators of this abhorrent violence to justice, and to continue our efforts to improve the lives of people across the globe.

Attacks like this can't change who we are, a people committed to peace and justice for all, but rather must reaffirm our determination to counter extremism and promote tolerance everywhere. As we prepare to bring the world's leaders together at the United Nations next week, we are reminded again in tragedy of our common humanity.
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