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Offline happyg

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Latest Snowden revelation: NSA sabotaged electronic locks
« on: September 06, 2013, 01:24:38 PM »

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Re: Latest Snowden revelation: NSA sabotaged electronic locks
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2013, 08:56:52 PM »
There's only one way to rein in the NSA -- and the rest of the New American Snoopers.

Congress won't do it.
The courts won't do it.
The president won't do it.

Only we the people can do it.

By amending the Constitution, creating a "right to privacy" with language like this:
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"Citizens protected by this Constitution possess an inalienable right to privacy in their persons, business, and homes, and while they are in public.

It shall be a violation of this Constitution for the United States or for the several States to violate or invade the individual privacy of citizens by use of physical, mechanical, or electronic means or by the use of devices on land, on water, below ground, or from the air.

This protection shall extend to all lawful communications and acts by an individual citizen or between two or more citizens, including content that is spoken, written, or electronically transmitted. It shall extend to citizens regardless of their location, whether in private or in public.

The only exceptions will be as governed by the Fourth Amendment of this Constitution."
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Four short paragraphs. Anyone can read and understand what it says.

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Re: Latest Snowden revelation: NSA sabotaged electronic locks
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2013, 08:59:34 PM »
There's only one way to rein in the NSA -- and the rest of the New American Snoopers.

Congress won't do it.
The courts won't do it.
The president won't do it.

Only we the people can do it.

By amending the Constitution, creating a "right to privacy" with language like this:
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"Citizens protected by this Constitution possess an inalienable right to privacy in their persons, business, and homes, and while they are in public.

It shall be a violation of this Constitution for the United States or for the several States to violate or invade the individual privacy of citizens by use of physical, mechanical, or electronic means or by the use of devices on land, on water, below ground, or from the air.

This protection shall extend to all lawful communications and acts by an individual citizen or between two or more citizens, including content that is spoken, written, or electronically transmitted. It shall extend to citizens regardless of their location, whether in private or in public.

The only exceptions will be as governed by the Fourth Amendment of this Constitution."
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Four short paragraphs. Anyone can read and understand what it says.

How do "We the People" act?  Through the President, Congress, or the courts.  If none of them will control the NSA now, why on Earth would anyone think they would do an about-face and start controlling the NSA simply because "We the People" added more verbiage to the Constitution?

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Re: Latest Snowden revelation: NSA sabotaged electronic locks
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2013, 09:30:13 PM »
Given the ubiquity of Russian and Chinese bot-nets, it's possible that some of the black-hat hackers have already figured out some of the weaknesses the NSA has introduced into internet security systems.

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Re: Latest Snowden revelation: NSA sabotaged electronic locks
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2013, 11:12:55 PM »
[[ How do "We the People" act?  Through the President, Congress, or the courts ]]

We "act" through 35 states, acting on their own to convene and pass the amendment.

That's the only "peaceable" way to do it.

If we accept what you're saying, we might just as well give it up, and be subjects, no longer free.

What else do you suggest?

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Re: Latest Snowden revelation: NSA sabotaged electronic locks
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 12:04:55 AM »
[[ How do "We the People" act?  Through the President, Congress, or the courts ]]

We "act" through 35 states, acting on their own to convene and pass the amendment.

That's the only "peaceable" way to do it.

If we accept what you're saying, we might just as well give it up, and be subjects, no longer free.

What else do you suggest?

No, what I'm saying is that if the courts, the Congress, and the President are not willing to act, then your amendment is a nullity, a curious bit of paper with some pointless words written on it, because your amendment will do nothing - nil, zip, nada - to make the courts, the Congress, or the President start acting.  Why would a court, for example, that refuses to apply the Fourth Amendment to the NSA hop-to-it and miraculously start applying your new amendments?

The failure isn't the lack of some set of magic words in the Constitution, the failure is a lack of willingness to act, and meddling with the Constitution will not remedy that fact.


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