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Offline happyg

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« on: August 29, 2013, 07:44:13 PM »

Offline Bigun

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 07:55:54 PM »
I still have the same question -  which BTW remains unasked by ANY so called reporter - and the question is: How in the HELL did a mid level CONTRACTOR in NSA ever manage to get his hands on the kind of information we now know he did? That would not have been possible in my day I'll assure you!

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 08:41:56 PM »
I still have the same question -  which BTW remains unasked by ANY so called reporter - and the question is: How in the HELL did a mid level CONTRACTOR in NSA ever manage to get his hands on the kid of information we now know he did? That would not have been possible in my day I'll assure you!

I read an article last weekend that said these low level people at NSA have more info at their fingertips than upper management... which has to ASK for specific info.

BTW this budget thingy isn't a huge surprise to me.. read The Puzzle Palace - it is about the formation of the NSA.. I read it because my uncle is covered in the book, but the parts that fascinated me was how it was formed as an off book out of sight, President is the only in the know, agency and remained so with everything off the books for quite a long time... sort of the Area 51 of intrigue.

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 09:02:04 PM »
I still have the same question -  which BTW remains unasked by ANY so called reporter - and the question is: How in the HELL did a mid level CONTRACTOR in NSA ever manage to get his hands on the kind of information we now know he did? That would not have been possible in my day I'll assure you!



Basically because he had administrator level access to the underlying databases; he also had security clearance for so-called "Sensitive Compartmented Information," which wouldn't have necessarily given him direct access to the various databases, but would have made it easier for him to get access.  He also had extensive training in hacking, so it wouldn't have been too difficult for him to access information that he really wasn't supposed to be accessing.

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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 09:05:19 PM »
It's actually fairly easy to get a good estimate on the "black budgets" just by going over the public budgets which are published every year.  People have been doing it for the Air Force black projects for decades.  This is how someone found out about the project called "Aurora," which many believe was the replacement for the SR-71.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 09:15:20 PM »
It's actually fairly easy to get a good estimate on the "black budgets" just by going over the public budgets which are published every year.  People have been doing it for the Air Force black projects for decades.  This is how someone found out about the project called "Aurora," which many believe was the replacement for the SR-71.

Indeed.  It's amazing what some people can ferret out from what look like very opaque documents.


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