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 David Cameron Bows to Parliamentary Pressure, Delays Syria Vote
By  Charles C. W. Cooke
August 28, 2013 7:38 PM


In London, the British goverment has run into trouble obtaining parliamentary approval for a strike on Syria. Per the Telegraph, the leader of the opposition, Ed Miliband, told Prime Minister David Cameron that he would not yet be able to count on the support of the Labour party. Meanwhile, some senior members of Cameron’s own Conservative party have indicated that they might refuse to back their leader, too.

Unlike in the United States, in which the separation of powers ensure that legislative initiatives fail regularly, in a parliamentary system the failure to win a vote represents a serious embarrassment to the government. Miliband did not rule out his party’s support entirely, but he did insist that tomorrow’s motion include the line, “Before any direct British involvement in such action a further vote of the House of Commons will take place.”

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    The Prime Minister has now said he will wait for a report by United Nations weapons inspectors before seeking the approval of MPs for “direct British involvement” in the Syrian intervention.

    Downing Street said the decision to wait for the UN was based on the “deep concerns” the country still harbours over the Iraq War.

    MPs had been recalled to vote on a motion on Thursday expected to sanction military action. Instead, after a Labour intervention, they will debate a broader motion calling for a “humanitarian response”.

    A second vote would be required before any British military involvement. This could now take place next week.


The general consensus here in America appears to be that the president is nervous about asking Congress for permission in case it refuses. Novel a theory about the appropriate role of the legislature as this is, the news that the British parliament is asserting itself will likely do nothing to bring the president back around to his former view that any war conducted without the permission of Congress is illegal.
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Re: David Cameron Bows to Parliamentary Pressure, Delays Syria Vote
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 11:04:51 PM »
Sounds like Cameron didn't have the votes.
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Re: David Cameron Bows to Parliamentary Pressure, Delays Syria Vote
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 12:22:24 AM »
Sounds like Cameron didn't have the votes.

He didn't.  If he did, he'd have had the vote by now.  Worse, it sounds as if some of the votes he did have are slipping away.

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Re: David Cameron Bows to Parliamentary Pressure, Delays Syria Vote
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 03:04:09 AM »
He didn't.  If he did, he'd have had the vote by now.  Worse, it sounds as if some of the votes he did have are slipping away.

Tonight an expert in this stuff was on Beck and said in the UK there is something like 80% against any attack on Syria..... not the odds that is going to encourage Parliament to go along with Obama's buddy Cameron.
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Re: David Cameron Bows to Parliamentary Pressure, Delays Syria Vote
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 08:51:28 AM »
Tonight an expert in this stuff was on Beck and said in the UK there is something like 80% against any attack on Syria..... not the odds that is going to encourage Parliament to go along with Obama's buddy Cameron.

The situation is fraught with substantially more risk for Cameron than for Obama.  If Cameron put it to a vote and lost, it would probably be tantamount to a vote of no confidence, which might very well be followed by an actual vote of no confidence; if that risk were high enough Cameron would probably be forced to have his government resign and to call early elections.  I don't think Cameron likes those odds right about now.


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