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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2013, 08:49:10 AM »
Answer: Because there are not enough of them, they are not politically organized, and they have no economic clout.  Otherwise, the Democrat/MSM machine would be up in arms over our "horrid discrimination against" pedophiles.

If you can make the case that genetics justifies gay rights, then the same applies to pedophiles.  Actually, even more so, since the science on pedophiles is much more certain as to genetic cause.
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2013, 11:37:54 AM »
Answer: Because there are not enough of them, they are not politically organized, and they have no economic clout.  Otherwise, the Democrat/MSM machine would be up in arms over our "horrid discrimination against" pedophiles.

If you can make the case that genetics justifies gay rights, then the same applies to pedophiles.  Actually, even more so, since the science on pedophiles is much more certain as to genetic cause.

It raises more starkly the issue about how society reacts to/deals with individuals who are born with some defect that predisposes them to certain conduct that society considers - rightly so - to be abominable?  It also raises more starkly the allied question about what society does that either condones or encourages such individuals to act on their predispositions, or that dissuades them from so acting.  For example, has society's general turn toward mainstreaming pornography of almost all sorts - Fifty Shades of Grey has mainstreamed S&M much more so than any number of printings of the Maquis de Sade's writings could - effectively given society's imprimatur on all forms of "deviant" - which is to say, definitely not in line with traditional and customary norms - sexual behavior (i.e., something more than simply accepting that people have different proclivities without accepting agnosticism toward the actual acting out of those proclivities)?

In other words, has the so-called sexual revolution finally come full circle, so that it is now social dogma that everyone's sexual proclivities are sacrosanct, and that interference with someone else's sexuality is frowned upon?

Also, at what point should the line be drawn?  The article makes a clear distinction between people who have the inclination but do not act on it, and those who do act on it, and posits that society should affirmatively encourage those with the inclination to not act upon it?  Is this not fully in line with the (Christian) view that one should love the sinner but hate the sin?  That, for example, homosexuals are acceptable so long as they do not act on their homosexual impulses?

Fifty shades of grey, indeed.

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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013, 01:25:10 PM »
It raises more starkly the issue about how society reacts to/deals with individuals who are born with some defect that predisposes them to certain conduct that society considers - rightly so - to be abominable?  It also raises more starkly the allied question about what society does that either condones or encourages such individuals to act on their predispositions, or that dissuades them from so acting.  For example, has society's general turn toward mainstreaming pornography of almost all sorts - Fifty Shades of Grey has mainstreamed S&M much more so than any number of printings of the Maquis de Sade's writings could - effectively given society's imprimatur on all forms of "deviant" - which is to say, definitely not in line with traditional and customary norms - sexual behavior (i.e., something more than simply accepting that people have different proclivities without accepting agnosticism toward the actual acting out of those proclivities)?

In other words, has the so-called sexual revolution finally come full circle, so that it is now social dogma that everyone's sexual proclivities are sacrosanct, and that interference with someone else's sexuality is frowned upon?

Also, at what point should the line be drawn?  The article makes a clear distinction between people who have the inclination but do not act on it, and those who do act on it, and posits that society should affirmatively encourage those with the inclination to not act upon it?  Is this not fully in line with the (Christian) view that one should love the sinner but hate the sin?  That, for example, homosexuals are acceptable so long as they do not act on their homosexual impulses?

Fifty shades of grey, indeed.

All very good points. 

I find it interesting that liberals seem to think that it is completely reasonable to discourage pedophiles from acting on their sexual urges, whereas it is completely stupid to discourage gays, or teenagers for that matter, from acting on theirs.  The idea that a person might be disciplined enough to reel in his id is usually anathema to liberals, except in this one case. 
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 01:30:17 PM »
I find it interesting that liberals seem to think that it is completely reasonable to discourage pedophiles from acting on their sexual urges, whereas it is completely stupid to discourage gays from acting on theirs.  The idea that a person might be disciplined enough to reel in his id is usually anathema to liberals, except in this one case.

Probably because so many homosexuals were molested when they were children...


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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 01:34:05 PM »
Probably because so many homosexuals were molested when they were children...

Well, if child molestation is a cause of homosexuality, then liberals ought to be encouraging it.  Libs seem to think that gay sex is a "higher order" form of sex than sex between heterosexuals, so anything that promotes homosexuality would be a good thing for society.
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2013, 01:37:24 PM »
Well, if child molestation is a cause of homosexuality, then liberals ought to be encouraging it.  Libs seem to think that gay sex is a "higher order" form of sex than sex between heterosexuals, so anything that promotes homosexuality would be a good thing for society.

Yeah, except that homosexuals hate pedophiles, so liberals can never support them.


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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2013, 01:39:54 PM »
All very good points. 

I find it interesting that liberals seem to think that it is completely reasonable to discourage pedophiles from acting on their sexual urges, whereas it is completely stupid to discourage gays, or teenagers for that matter, from acting on theirs.  The idea that a person might be disciplined enough to reel in his id is usually anathema to liberals, except in this one case. 

I agree, and I would go further and posit that it is precisely liberals' willingness to-date to sanction the freedom of all manner of sexual conduct that has led many pedophiles to act on their impulses when formerly they might have successfully controlled themselves.

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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2013, 01:43:21 PM »
Yeah, except that homosexuals hate pedophiles, so liberals can never support them.

I don't know about that. 

There is a lot of overlap in membership between NAMBLA and the more radical elements of the gay community.  This was especially true in the earlier days of the gay movement.  today the movement steers clear, knowing the public relations nightmare that would ensue if people connected gays with pedophiles.  But I don't suspect most gays hate pedophiles.  I suspect a good percentage of gays would prefer veal from time to time, if you catch my drift.  This whole political/cultural movement encouraging kids to "express their true sexuality" early in life is very much related to that.
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013, 01:47:55 PM »
But I don't suspect most gays hate pedophiles.

Yeah, just the ones who were molested as children...


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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2013, 07:47:03 PM »
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Answer: Because there are not enough of them, they are not politically organized, and they have no economic clout.  Otherwise, the Democrat/MSM machine would be up in arms over our "horrid discrimination against" pedophiles.
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2013, 09:07:54 PM »
It's coming sooner or later.  Whether or not it will be successful is still unknown, but 20 years ago no one thought that the homos would be on the verge of taking over the country.

I think the day will come where age of consent laws are repealed, either state by state, or most likely by the Supreme Court, in the name of "love and fairness."
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2013, 10:04:45 PM »
It's coming sooner or later.  Whether or not it will be successful is still unknown, but 20 years ago no one thought that the homos would be on the verge of taking over the country.

I think the day will come where age of consent laws are repealed, either state by state, or most likely by the Supreme Court, in the name of "love and fairness."

There is already a movement in the schools to allow transexual kids to use the bathroom of their choice and to encourage homosexual kids to "accept" their sexuality.  How can a kid "accept" his sexuality without having sex?  And who is he expected to have sex with?

Every 11 year old in the country knows what GBLT means, thanks to one of the most effective recruiting and PR machines in the USA.  Don't think for a second that they are not focused on the next generation.
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2013, 11:21:05 PM »
There is already a movement in the schools to allow transexual kids to use the bathroom of their choice and to encourage homosexual kids to "accept" their sexuality.  How can a kid "accept" his sexuality without having sex?  And who is he expected to have sex with?

Every 11 year old in the country knows what GBLT means, thanks to one of the most effective recruiting and PR machines in the USA.  Don't think for a second that they are not focused on the next generation.

Do heterosexual teenage boys need to have sex in order to "accept" that they're straight, that they're guys who find girls really, really attractive?  If not, then why assume that homosexual teenagers have to have sex in order to "accept" that they're bent (pardon the play on the term "straight")?

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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2013, 07:25:33 AM »
Do heterosexual teenage boys need to have sex in order to "accept" that they're straight, that they're guys who find girls really, really attractive?  If not, then why assume that homosexual teenagers have to have sex in order to "accept" that they're bent (pardon the play on the term "straight")?

Apparently, teenage boys DO have to have sex in order to "accept" they're straight, else why give them free condoms?  Very clearly, the orientation of the educators is that sexuality is something that should be expressed early, often and with whomever (or whatever) one pleases.  It goes hand in hand with Montesorri philosophy.
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2013, 02:56:04 PM »
Apparently, teenage boys DO have to have sex in order to "accept" they're straight, else why give them free condoms?  Very clearly, the orientation of the educators is that sexuality is something that should be expressed early, often and with whomever (or whatever) one pleases.  It goes hand in hand with Montesorri philosophy.

Now you're confusing actual reality with political posturing.  The question is:  outside of the political posturing, do heterosexual boys inherently have to have sex in order to "accept" that they're heterosexual boys who really, really like girls?

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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2013, 03:03:28 PM »
Now you're confusing actual reality with political posturing.  The question is:  outside of the political posturing, do heterosexual boys inherently have to have sex in order to "accept" that they're heterosexual boys who really, really like girls?

Sometimes. Not always. Only got anecdotal for that claim though.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2013, 03:15:38 PM »
Now you're confusing actual reality with political posturing.  The question is:  outside of the political posturing, do heterosexual boys inherently have to have sex in order to "accept" that they're heterosexual boys who really, really like girls?

You mean in reality teenage boys aren't given free condoms?

As for myself, I didn't need to have sex to know I was enamored with women.  Also, I went to Catholic school, so there were very clear lines between bulls and cows.  Personally, I think it would be very easy to plant the seed of homosexual orientation into a 10 or 11 year-old kid, without there being any sex involved, especially if pop culture regarded gayness as something that is "cool."  But it would be far more powerful if there was sex involved.

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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2013, 03:25:56 PM »
You mean in reality teenage boys aren't given free condoms?

As for myself, I didn't need to have sex to know I was enamored with women.  Also, I went to Catholic school, so there were very clear lines between bulls and cows.  Personally, I think it would be very easy to plant the seed of homosexual orientation into a 10 or 11 year-old kid, without there being any sex involved, especially if pop culture regarded gayness as something that is "cool."  But it would be far more powerful if there was sex involved.



I seriously doubt if that seed would take root in any boy who was heterosexual.  Sexuality is not predominantly driven by choice, it's driven by genes because that's the only way that genes get to reproduce themselves in a species like human beings that doesn't spore or otherwise reproduce asexually.  Why?  Because if sexuality is predominantly about choice, then one can just as easily choose to be asexual - after all, there's a lot of trouble and effort involved with sex, once the "fun" is taken out - which wouldn't serve the ends of the genes, would it?  The genetic lines of people for whom sexuality was predominantly driven by choice would rather die off and leave the gene pool.  My guess would be that this hasn't happened with homosexuals because they still have that same gene-driven sex drive, so they still want to have sex, and since homosexuality has generally not been a favored lifestyle choice throughout history, other than for certain effete elites, like some of the ancient Greek ruling classes, that sex drive had to be both covered up - bearded - as well as given some sort of outlet; accordingly, a lot of gay men have historically married and usually had a few children - not a difficult thing to do historically when it was the wife, not the husband, who did most of the hard work raising the children; many fathers are essentially fire-and-forget - and then with their ostensible heterosexuality established, could discretely go their "merry" (pardon the pun on "gay") way.  What's interesting about this line of thought is that the "normalization" of homosexuality and the preference for exclusive homosexual relationships, all of which mean that homosexuals no longer need to "beard" themselves, may very well lead to winnowing out whatever genes predispose someone to homosexuality.

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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2013, 04:50:47 PM »
I seriously doubt if that seed would take root in any boy who was heterosexual.  Sexuality is not predominantly driven by choice, it's driven by genes because that's the only way that genes get to reproduce themselves in a species like human beings that doesn't spore or otherwise reproduce asexually.  Why?  Because if sexuality is predominantly about choice, then one can just as easily choose to be asexual - after all, there's a lot of trouble and effort involved with sex, once the "fun" is taken out - which wouldn't serve the ends of the genes, would it?  The genetic lines of people for whom sexuality was predominantly driven by choice would rather die off and leave the gene pool.  My guess would be that this hasn't happened with homosexuals because they still have that same gene-driven sex drive, so they still want to have sex, and since homosexuality has generally not been a favored lifestyle choice throughout history, other than for certain effete elites, like some of the ancient Greek ruling classes, that sex drive had to be both covered up - bearded - as well as given some sort of outlet; accordingly, a lot of gay men have historically married and usually had a few children - not a difficult thing to do historically when it was the wife, not the husband, who did most of the hard work raising the children; many fathers are essentially fire-and-forget - and then with their ostensible heterosexuality established, could discretely go their "merry" (pardon the pun on "gay") way.  What's interesting about this line of thought is that the "normalization" of homosexuality and the preference for exclusive homosexual relationships, all of which mean that homosexuals no longer need to "beard" themselves, may very well lead to winnowing out whatever genes predispose someone to homosexuality.

Most of the science on the subject says that some homosexuals are genetically predisposed to be gay.  But in the majority of cases it is a learned behavior.

http://genderwholeness.com/lds/understanding/what-causes-male-homosexuality/
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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2013, 08:09:03 PM »
Most of the science on the subject says that some homosexuals are genetically predisposed to be gay.  But in the majority of cases it is a learned behavior.

http://genderwholeness.com/lds/understanding/what-causes-male-homosexuality/

Actually, the science on the matter says no such thing.

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Re: Pedophiles "Born That Way" -- Why No Cry for "Fairness" or "Equality"?
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