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Offline happyg

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UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« on: August 21, 2013, 10:13:26 AM »

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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2013, 10:28:32 AM »

"But we've already decided globull warming is true!  How else to control people and demonstrate the need for a one-world government?"

(don worry.  they'll think of sumting.)


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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2013, 10:38:01 AM »
The data not only suggest no global warming, they strongly hint at a cooling trend. Antarctic ice is at a record high continues to expand. The Arctic melt this year was significantly lower than average in recent years and ended several weeks earlier than normal (see historical data graph, below). Further, there has been no measurable rise in global surface or atmospheric temperatures for 17 years, which predates the current solar cycle.



CO2 levels continue to rise, but one must consider that CO2 comprises only 0.038% of the Earth's atmosphere, the human contribution to which is less than 4%, and the US/Canadian component of which is less than 17%. Even shutting down all American industry and banning petroleum-based transportation would not have a noticeable effect on the climate, not to mention that a portion of the already-miniscule American contribution to atmospheric CO2 comes not from industry, but from land use (agriculture).

Charlatans like Michael Mann know all this, or have reason to know, but persist in their false alarmism in pursuit of money and power.
 
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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2013, 10:56:30 AM »

Charlatans like Michael Mann know all this, or have reason to know, but persist in their false alarmism in pursuit of money and power.
 

There you go again, using facts. Communists will have none of that. It's a matter of faith to them.

And, sadly, the American people will be fooled by the media.

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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 09:26:53 AM »
If you're on Facebook, there's a group you can join which offers a lot of good information debunking the manmade climate change myth: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2374404880/
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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2013, 05:13:47 PM »
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CO2 levels continue to rise, but one must consider that CO2 comprises only 0.038% of the Earth's atmosphere, the human contribution to which is less than 4%, and the US/Canadian component of which is less than 17%. Even shutting down all American industry and banning petroleum-based transportation would not have a noticeable effect on the climate, not to mention that a portion of the already-miniscule American contribution to atmospheric CO2 comes not from industry, but from land use (agriculture).
Well, there is also the issue of where they are taking their measurements. The observatory most commonly referenced in models and literature as the reference for the CO2/AGW link is on Mauna Loa.

Mauna Loa is an active volcano-- not only that, but it is one that has thin magma, meaning it is constantly spewing gas and lava into the atmosphere. (This is opposed to thick-magma volcanoes, which lay dormant for decades, then spontaneously explode with great force; those are the more famous ones, since they tend to cause catastrophe.) Mauna Loa is also known to be approaching a Pacific hot spot, meaning its output has been rising. If you wanted to select any site in the world to generate CO2 readings higher than reality, a thin-magma volcano like Mauna Loa is practically perfect. Note that despite global CO2 output typically varying widely depending on the economy, Mauna Loa shows no such variation, just a steady upward march.

Every climate model that is predicting massive warming in the next couple of centuries is assuming that the Mauna Loa numbers are accurate and that CO2 is on an uncontrollable upward trend.

Garbage in, garbage out.
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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2013, 06:26:18 PM »
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Every climate model that is predicting massive warming in the next couple of centuries is assuming that the Mauna Loa numbers are accurate and that CO2 is on an uncontrollable upward trend.

Garbage in, garbage out.
And the EPA measures auto emission levels at the local bus garage. Nothing new there!
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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2013, 08:21:16 AM »
Well, there is also the issue of where they are taking their measurements. The observatory most commonly referenced in models and literature as the reference for the CO2/AGW link is on Mauna Loa.

Mauna Loa is an active volcano-- not only that, but it is one that has thin magma, meaning it is constantly spewing gas and lava into the atmosphere. (This is opposed to thick-magma volcanoes, which lay dormant for decades, then spontaneously explode with great force; those are the more famous ones, since they tend to cause catastrophe.) Mauna Loa is also known to be approaching a Pacific hot spot, meaning its output has been rising. If you wanted to select any site in the world to generate CO2 readings higher than reality, a thin-magma volcano like Mauna Loa is practically perfect. Note that despite global CO2 output typically varying widely depending on the economy, Mauna Loa shows no such variation, just a steady upward march.

Every climate model that is predicting massive warming in the next couple of centuries is assuming that the Mauna Loa numbers are accurate and that CO2 is on an uncontrollable upward trend.

Garbage in, garbage out.

GIGO is one of the most prevalent problems, period.

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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2013, 09:19:46 AM »
And the EPA measures auto emission levels at the local bus garage. Nothing new there!

I was a kid living in Louisville in the late 60's.  You didn't go outside because the air was so thick w/ auto exhaust that it made your eyes water.

Now that was  pollution...


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Re: UN Struggles with Data Suggesting No Global Warming
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2013, 10:21:13 PM »
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