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Will David Ubben Blow Roof Off 'Phony' Benghazi Scandal?
« on: August 02, 2013, 01:13:30 am »
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Will David Ubben Blow Roof Off 'Phony' Benghazi Scandal?

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Scandal: The former commander of special operations in North Africa says he, like our president, was incommunicado during the Benghazi attack. We may soon hear from the hero who survived 20 hours waiting for help.

During the second wave of attacks on Benghazi, diplomatic security agent David Ubben was on the roof of the CIA annex with two former Navy SEALS. Eventually, several rounds of mortar attacks found their mark, killing Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty while shredding Ubben's right leg.

Ubben was stuck on that rooftop for 20 hours before help finally arrived. He can tell us and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "what difference does it make"that help was not sent — at least two American lives. Ubben sustained injuries at Benghazi so severe he's still being treated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

Rep. Darrel Issa's House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has tried to interview Ubben as part of its Benghazi scandal investigation, but the State Department has not allowed the meeting, according to Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah.

"While initially they said they would be helpful, pretty quickly they turned that off," Chaffetz reported. "And I had a meeting scheduled to go visit this ... young man and then I was denied." State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki denies Chaffetz's claim, saying State has been fully cooperative.

Another Republican congressman, Frank Wolf of Virginia, who has gathered a majority of Republicans in the House in support of a select committee to investigate Benghazi, recently sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry complaining that the State Department has refused for months to provide Congress with the names and contact information of the survivors.

Ubben entered the smoke- and flame-filled Benghazi consulate several times in an attempt to rescue his fellow Americans. First, he recovered the body of Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. He also went searching for Ambassador Chris Stevens but couldn't find him.

With more hearings scheduled on Benghazi this fall, some lawmakers hope Ubben will feel he's well enough to publicly testify, because he's one of the few survivors to witness both waves of the attack.

It was hoped that Col. George H. Bristol, former commander of Marine Corps special forces in Africa, could help explain to Ubben and to us why he had to wait on a roof in Benghazi for 20 hours for help to finally arrive.

Bristol was in charge of special operations forces in Northern Africa on the night of the Benghazi terrorist attack. He gave closed-door congressional testimony on Wednesday in which he said he was traveling in Africa at the time of the Benghazi attack and unreliable communications kept him from participating in the attack response, or lack of one.

Which raises the interesting question of how our African commander traveling in Africa was unable to coordinate a response to a terrorist attack in Africa. Of course, President Obama also did not participate in the attack "response" and the timeline of his activities that night still remains a mystery.

Command responsibility during his unavailability was in the hands of Lt. Col. S.E. Gibson who reportedly had earlier said he was at no point ordered to "stand down" but rather to remain in Tripoli to defend the American Embassy.

Presumably he was ordered to handle any spontaneous demonstrations in Tripoli spawned by a hateful Internet video. But isn't an order to stay put an order to "stand down"?

Perhaps Ubben can explain what he knows about why he had to lie on that rooftop for 20 hours. "Thank you very much for what you've done," Pat Smith, mother of the slain Sean Smith, said upon hearing of Ubben's actions, her voice filled with gratitude but also anger. "Why couldn't the government have done the same thing?"

Why indeed, Mr. President? We're still waiting for a real answer.

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Re: Will David Ubben Blow Roof Off 'Phony' Benghazi Scandal?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 01:40:25 am »
The Obama media is in control. For a lid to be blown off of anything, the Obama media would have to be forced into covering what was said.

Won't happen. Obama is too precious to them.

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2013, 04:43:08 am »
The Obama media is in control. For a lid to be blown off of anything, the Obama media would have to be forced into covering what was said.

Won't happen. Obama is too precious to them.

Silly.  Do you think Rush, Hannity, Levin, Fox news, WSJ, Krauthammer, Steyn, Coulter, Malkin, and IowaHawk will drop this story?  More often than not these people drive the news.

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2013, 01:37:53 pm »
Silly.  Do you think Rush, Hannity, Levin, Fox news, WSJ, Krauthammer, Steyn, Coulter, Malkin, and IowaHawk will drop this story?  More often than not these people drive the news.

You're not seeing what I'm seeing. And why do most of your replies have to have some sort of dismissive comment to the original poster?

As to your comment, if those people were driving the news, there would be more talk of Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and IRS targeting. NSA snooping took off because it irritated younger liberals. But even NSA snooping is dying down as a story. The average person gets their news from the evening news. Younger consumers still use affiliated outlets. Liberals have painted Fox News as being so toxic that Fox could report water contains oxygen and liberals would dismiss it as false because it was on Fox. I can't tell you the number of times I've said something to have a Democrat/liberal challenge.. "Where did you hear that, Fox News?!" So, that invalidates most of the sources you cite. The average American has no clue what Iowahawk is. The conservative point of view remains a bit of an echo chamber, much of which I blame on the GOP for being unable to unify and press their position in a coherent manner.

The liberal media controls the "conversation".

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2013, 01:49:26 pm »
You're not seeing what I'm seeing. And why do most of your replies have to have some sort of dismissive comment to the original poster?

As to your comment, if those people were driving the news, there would be more talk of Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and IRS targeting. NSA snooping took off because it irritated younger liberals. But even NSA snooping is dying down as a story. The average person gets their news from the evening news. Younger consumers still use affiliated outlets. Liberals have painted Fox News as being so toxic that Fox could report water contains oxygen and liberals would dismiss it as false because it was on Fox. I can't tell you the number of times I've said something to have a Democrat/liberal challenge.. "Where did you hear that, Fox News?!" So, that invalidates most of the sources you cite. The average American has no clue what Iowahawk is. The conservative point of view remains a bit of an echo chamber, much of which I blame on the GOP for being unable to unify and press their position in a coherent manner.

The liberal media controls the "conversation".

Great points--all around. :patriot:

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Re: Will David Ubben Blow Roof Off 'Phony' Benghazi Scandal?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 01:50:50 pm »
You're not seeing what I'm seeing. And why do most of your replies have to have some sort of dismissive comment to the original poster?

As to your comment, if those people were driving the news, there would be more talk of Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and IRS targeting. NSA snooping took off because it irritated younger liberals. But even NSA snooping is dying down as a story. The average person gets their news from the evening news. Younger consumers still use affiliated outlets. Liberals have painted Fox News as being so toxic that Fox could report water contains oxygen and liberals would dismiss it as false because it was on Fox. I can't tell you the number of times I've said something to have a Democrat/liberal challenge.. "Where did you hear that, Fox News?!" So, that invalidates most of the sources you cite. The average American has no clue what Iowahawk is. The conservative point of view remains a bit of an echo chamber, much of which I blame on the GOP for being unable to unify and press their position in a coherent manner.

The liberal media controls the "conversation".

For about half the population, if Jon Stewart and the entertainment infrastructure don't pick up a story, it never happened.  The liberal news media services such, as CNN and MSNBC (as well as the networks), serve the elite, informed liberals to let them know how to spin events.  But as far as most liberal voters are concerned, there is no reason to put down the joint and pay attention to anything.  Jon Stewart is doing the heavy lifting for them, and they figure he'll let them know if anything important, like an election, comes up. 

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Re: Will David Ubben Blow Roof Off 'Phony' Benghazi Scandal?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2013, 01:56:51 pm »
Wouldn't surprise me if David Ubben had a accident between now and the hearings.  :nometalk:

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Re: Will David Ubben Blow Roof Off 'Phony' Benghazi Scandal?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2013, 02:13:26 pm »
Silly.  Do you think Rush, Hannity, Levin, Fox news, WSJ, Krauthammer, Steyn, Coulter, Malkin, and IowaHawk will drop this story?  More often than not these people drive the news.

Disagree.  The mainstream media dismisses many of those named as "shrill" and "fringe".  Unless and until the MSM becomes invested in the story, these folks alone cannot push the boulder uphill.  And the media is not just protecting the President but also the "next" President.

I truly believe Benghazi is a blockbuster scandal if fully exposed... weeks from a general election, Obama's absence, Hillary's involvement...
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Re: Will David Ubben Blow Roof Off 'Phony' Benghazi Scandal?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2013, 02:32:55 pm »
You're not seeing what I'm seeing. And why do most of your replies have to have some sort of dismissive comment to the original poster?

I'm sorry.  When I wrote "silly" I was only referring to your original comment that I quoted, and not you personally.  I was just being lazy in my communication, and I can see why that is unclear.  Further I chose the my word poorly.  I should have said "wrong." or even better "IMO you're wrong."

Thank you for pointing that out.

Thanks also for clarifying your definition of the "Obama media" and why you think this story has no legs.

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Re: Will David Ubben Blow Roof Off 'Phony' Benghazi Scandal?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2013, 02:34:37 pm »
Disagree.  The mainstream media dismisses many of those named as "shrill" and "fringe".  Unless and until the MSM becomes invested in the story, these folks alone cannot push the boulder uphill.  And the media is not just protecting the President but also the "next" President.

I truly believe Benghazi is a blockbuster scandal if fully exposed... weeks from a general election, Obama's absence, Hillary's involvement...

Of all the scandals, I believe Benghazi is the most serious, and the most infuriating. There is enough information available to indicate the Commander-in-Chief was at best negligent. A full investigation may reveal some very ugly things. But even if what we know is all that there is to the situation, it's troubling, and indicates we have a Commander-in-Chief with misplaced priorities, and a startling level of incompetence.

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2013, 02:36:10 pm »
Used to be I believed the occupant of our White House is an incompetent boob.  Shortly after, I came to understand he is hell-bent on destroying the country as founded along with his compliant worker bees.  Add to that zero opposition (esp the republians).  The only vestige of opposition may lie with the military (active or former) who take seriously the oath to protect and preserve the Constitution *as written*.  Without them, we will shortly become nothing but slaves to a bunch of boobs whose hunger for power can never be satisfied.  Forget about the 10th Amendment; nobody in DC gives a crap.

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2013, 03:29:34 pm »
Even if the mainstream media report on this, the question is what Congress will do about it.
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2013, 04:21:27 pm »
Even if the mainstream media report on this, the question is what Congress will do about it.

Nothing. Zero.  Nada.  Neither the media nor any opposition that remains in DC gives a sh*t.   They are all in for gobbling up as much power as they can throw at the taxpayers.  The sooner we understand that politics/elections are done for, the sooner we can deploy our energies elsewhere.

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2013, 03:21:18 am »
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