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Offline Cincinnatus

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« on: July 28, 2013, 08:56:07 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 01:07:59 AM »
So just keep track of who's going after they return.  Oh wait, my bad, that would be "profiling" wouldn't it.

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 01:15:40 AM »
So just keep track of who's going after they return.  Oh wait, my bad, that would be "profiling" wouldn't it.

My first thoughts too. They are self selecting for being watched. A handy tool.
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 01:17:14 AM »
My first thoughts too. They are self selecting for being watched. A handy tool.

To a rational government, perhaps; to this US government?

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 01:28:36 AM »
To a rational government, perhaps; to this US government?

Point taken.  :shrug:

Though I had a long and instructive talk with a TSA screener once in Houston during his coffee break back in 2011. I got pulled for a secondary check since I carry a couple pounds of metal permanently in my bones.
Nice guy. Ex army, about 50 and cracking jokes and using common sense in the line. They do actually profile - most of the better ones, at least. Sure, they are not supposed to. But as he said (roughly) "A grandma is not exactly a threat. A kid isn't a threat. But the rights lot scream murder if we pick on only the likely targets. What we going to do?"
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 01:33:00 AM »
Point taken.  :shrug:

Though I had a long and instructive talk with a TSA screener once in Houston during his coffee break back in 2011. I got pulled for a secondary check since I carry a couple pounds of metal permanently in my bones.
Nice guy. Ex army, about 50 and cracking jokes and using common sense in the line. They do actually profile - most of the better ones, at least. Sure, they are not supposed to. But as he said (roughly) "A grandma is not exactly a threat. A kid isn't a threat. But the rights lot scream murder if we pick on only the likely targets. What we going to do?"


It's the "what are we going to do" part that's the problem.  That puts him perilously close to being a "good German."

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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 01:35:56 AM »
Yeah. He wasn't exactly fond of it either. Felt the same way about the PC BS and was a little scathing about some of his colleagues.

Still. Remember him fondly and hope he got a better job.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 01:43:53 AM »
Yeah. He wasn't exactly fond of it either. Felt the same way about the PC BS and was a little scathing about some of his colleagues.

Still. Remember him fondly and hope he got a better job.

I hope he did too.

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 08:01:28 AM »
It's the "what are we going to do" part that's the problem.  That puts him perilously close to being a "good German."

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 08:06:08 AM »
"Only about a dozen Americans have so far gone to fight in Syria, according to American intelligence officials. Nicole Lynn Mansfield, 33, of Flint, Mich., a convert to Islam, was killed in May while in the company of Syrian rebels in Idlib Province."

It's a start.
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 10:31:32 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2013, 11:04:31 PM »
The allies denazified Germany following the war's end. Germany, Austria, Italy.

We probably could not do that again.

We've lost common sense to survive, to please political correctness.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2013, 12:03:02 AM »
The allies denazified Germany following the war's end. Germany, Austria, Italy.

We probably could not do that again.

We've lost common sense to survive, to please political correctness.

There weren't that many Nazis, compared to the population as a whole, well documented, and it was agreed that they were a cancer on the face of the Earth. Cleaning them out was comparatively easy, though we did miss many and the cancer has resurged in places. It always does.

I know folk tease me here (frequently) because I maintain that most Muslims are normal people, with normal concerns and normal lives. Yet the fundamentalists are indeed a cancer on society and should be removed without pity.

There are too damned many of them and it seems that almost anything can flick someone from "Just a guy doing his job, what goes to a different church than me" to "murdering scumbag."
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2013, 12:52:10 AM »
There weren't that many Nazis, compared to the population as a whole, well documented, and it was agreed that they were a cancer on the face of the Earth. Cleaning them out was comparatively easy, though we did miss many and the cancer has resurged in places. It always does.

I know folk tease me here (frequently) because I maintain that most Muslims are normal people, with normal concerns and normal lives. Yet the fundamentalists are indeed a cancer on society and should be removed without pity.

There are too damned many of them and it seems that almost anything can flick someone from "Just a guy doing his job, what goes to a different church than me" to "murdering scumbag."

Most muslims are normal people, with normal concerns and normal lives.  The problem is, of course, the radicals, and possibly also the fact that the muslim religion as a whole appears to be passing through the same sorts of developmental steps Christianity went through, and is now more or less where Christianity was during the crusades.  And lest anyone forget, Christianity was at one time a very "activist" religion in which a radical minority used the immense power of the Church to exact a terrible price from people who didn't toe the right line(s).

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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2013, 02:50:32 AM »
Most muslims are normal people, with normal concerns and normal lives.  The problem is, of course, the radicals, and possibly also the fact that the muslim religion as a whole appears to be passing through the same sorts of developmental steps Christianity went through, and is now more or less where Christianity was during the crusades.  And lest anyone forget, Christianity was at one time a very "activist" religion in which a radical minority used the immense power of the Church to exact a terrible price from people who didn't toe the right line(s).

I have often thought the same. It isn't a mirror image, obviously, but the stages seem to be incredibly similar.
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2013, 09:25:16 AM »
Most muslims are normal people, with normal concerns and normal lives.  The problem is, of course, the radicals, and possibly also the fact that the muslim religion as a whole appears to be passing through the same sorts of developmental steps Christianity went through, and is now more or less where Christianity was during the crusades.  And lest anyone forget, Christianity was at one time a very "activist" religion in which a radical minority used the immense power of the Church to exact a terrible price from people who didn't toe the right line(s).
I guess that depends on your definition of normal.
In America, maybe.
In the middle east, I don't see normality, unless the definition of normality is "whatever the majority is".
In Europe, somewhere between radicalized and normal.
The bottom line is there are tens of millions of crazy assed muslims that use their religion as an excuse to attack and kill us...and that's all I need to know.

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2013, 09:47:19 AM »
[[ Most muslims are normal people, with normal concerns and normal lives... ]]

The only problem is that as muslims they are adherents to islam, a totalitarian political system which disguises itself as a "religion".

They are nearly ALL "soldiers of islam" -- with the majority not being "on active duty".

And they nearly ALL "support the troops".

Could it not also be said that most Germans also were "normal people, with normal concerns and normal lives" during the Third Reich?
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