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famousdayandyear

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« on: June 18, 2013, 09:54:08 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2013, 10:15:09 PM »
They own it; it's theirs to do with as they please.

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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2013, 10:23:32 PM »
They own it; it's theirs to do with as they please.

In fact, it is a stolen rare iconic architectural celebration of Christendom.  Maybe I misunderstood.  Did you forget the /s tag?

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2013, 10:52:42 PM »
In fact, it is a stolen rare iconic architectural celebration of Christendom.  Maybe I misunderstood.  Did you forget the /s tag?

Stolen?  How so?  If stolen, then necessarily the ancient right of conquest - the right of the victor to hold lands taken by force - is invalid, which means that, if you're sitting on what is now US soil, you are probably poaching on property that was stolen from the original aboriginal Americans - aka, the indians.  Should you give that back?

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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2013, 10:59:32 PM »
Stolen?  How so?  If stolen, then necessarily the ancient right of conquest - the right of the victor to hold lands taken by force - is invalid, which means that, if you're sitting on what is now US soil, you are probably poaching on property that was stolen from the original aboriginal Americans - aka, the indians.  Should you give that back?

You are accurate, of course. 
Still don't like the conversion.  Much like I would object to St Patrick's in NYC being changed into a mosk.  This is not beyond the realm of possibility, by the way.

Ataturk created a secular Turkey and the Hagia was neutralized as a museum so tourists and world travelers could enjoy her beauty.  As a mosk, she will no doubt be pretty much off limits, unless the infidel pays the Tax.  JMHO

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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2013, 03:47:02 PM »
Stolen?  How so?  If stolen, then necessarily the ancient right of conquest - the right of the victor to hold lands taken by force - is invalid, which means that, if you're sitting on what is now US soil, you are probably poaching on property that was stolen from the original aboriginal Americans - aka, the indians.  Should you give that back?

except the "original aboriginal Americans" were migrants from Asia and constantly moving, they really didn't own anything.

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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2013, 08:36:15 PM »
except the "original aboriginal Americans" were migrants from Asia and constantly moving, they really didn't own anything.

Except that if they were the very first human beings to set foot on the North American continent, then they owned it by virtue of the rule of Terra Nullius.  Since that rule doesn't involve conquest or the assertion of authority over the persons and property of other human beings, it continues to apply even if the Right of Conquest is no longer viable.


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