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« on: June 10, 2013, 09:01:01 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2013, 09:02:18 AM »
The story describes other similar incidents, as well.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2013, 09:32:58 AM »
Too many people go to the emergency rooms who don't need to, which causes a bottle neck. When I was a kid, we didn't have insurance and all these laws, and my parents paid as needed. I paid for two of my kids out of pocket, as well as most of their doctor bills. Now, the co-pays are triple what the entire office call was back then. When insurance got involved, it became bad for everyone.

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2013, 09:41:00 AM »
I was going to say this story showed what we have to look forward to under Obamacare, but in 2011 my doctor sent me to the ER at a good local hospital for a CT scan (nothing critical; instead, he should have had his office make an appointment for me with that department) and I ended up waiting at least six hours. Meanwhile, people brought in their children with colds and coughs. What the heck.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2013, 09:48:25 AM »
I was going to say this story showed what we have to look forward to under Obamacare, but in 2011 my doctor sent me to the ER at a good local hospital for a CT scan (nothing critical; instead, he should have had his office make an appointment for me with that department) and I ended up waiting at least six hours. Meanwhile, people brought in their children with colds and coughs. What the heck.

I have never had to wait like that, even for emergencies. That would tick me off. I have seen women bring their kids with them, then ask for diapers and formula for their kids. It's almost like a meeting place for some of them.

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2013, 12:33:02 PM »
Notwithstanding that this is also a demonstration of how packed emergency rooms are, it is also a preview of what we can expect under Obamacare.  For example, where was the ER triage?  Given that he had a referral from his GP regarding his problem, he should have been triaged and given a preliminary examination immediately.

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2013, 12:40:34 PM »
Notwithstanding that this is also a demonstration of how packed emergency rooms are, it is also a preview of what we can expect under Obamacare.  For example, where was the ER triage?  Given that he had a referral from his GP regarding his problem, he should have been triaged and given a preliminary examination immediately.

Government-run health care always 'saves' money by restricting supply.

The other symptoms are the result of market-forces not operating in a monopoly environment.

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2013, 12:50:04 PM »
Government-run health care always 'saves' money by restricting supply.

The other symptoms are the result of market-forces not operating in a monopoly environment.



Yup.  In a nutshell.  Just like rent control.  It really is that simple.

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2013, 01:15:34 PM »
Notwithstanding that this is also a demonstration of how packed emergency rooms are, it is also a preview of what we can expect under Obamacare.  For example, where was the ER triage?  Given that he had a referral from his GP regarding his problem, he should have been triaged and given a preliminary examination immediately.

NHS ER triage goes: Ambulance patients first, GP referrals second, drop ins last. The story does say they were having an exceptionally busy day. His GP should have called an ambulance for him.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2013, 01:19:55 PM »
NHS ER triage goes: Ambulance patients first, GP referrals second, drop ins last. The story does say they were having an exceptionally busy day. His GP should have called an ambulance for him.

Which sounds to me - granting I have little experience with British medicine - a little like the GPs who had to prescribe glasses of water for some of their hospitalized patients to keep them from dying of thirst.

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2013, 01:27:04 PM »
Which sounds to me - granting I have little experience with British medicine - a little like the GPs who had to prescribe glasses of water for some of their hospitalized patients to keep them from dying of thirst.

The system is horrific. ER is overworked. There are something like 5 managers for every member of staff on the front lines. Record keeping is a complete balls up thanks to a poorly designed nation wide computer system. Waste is endemic. The actual staff try - mostly - but there are not enough of them for the number of patients.
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2013, 01:30:13 PM »
The system is horrific. ER is overworked. There are something like 5 managers for every member of staff on the front lines. Record keeping is a complete balls up thanks to a poorly designed nation wide computer system. Waste is endemic. The actual staff try - mostly - but there are not enough of them for the number of patients.

Fair enough; that seems to be a problem in many ERs around the world.  The UK ought not be unfairly singled out.  However, perhaps what it does demonstrate is that government-controlled health care does not get rid of the pressing problems in the health care industry such as ER overcrowding that the fascists in the democrat party have claimed it will solve.

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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2013, 01:40:33 PM »
Fair enough; that seems to be a problem in many ERs around the world.  The UK ought not be unfairly singled out.  However, perhaps what it does demonstrate is that government-controlled health care does not get rid of the pressing problems in the health care industry such as ER overcrowding that the fascists in the democrat party have claimed it will solve.

The sad thing is - it could, quite easily. The problem is it is a bureaucracy. There is only so much money available and each manager is more interested in building his or her empire than actually hiring doctors, nurses and competent cleaning staff.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2013, 01:43:27 PM »
The sad thing is - it could, quite easily. The problem is it is a bureaucracy. There is only so much money available and each manager is more interested in building his or her empire than actually hiring doctors, nurses and competent cleaning staff.

That is always the case with governments and bureaucracy.  I recall a friend of my mother's from long ago who told me he used to work as a photographer in some nameless little government office; in order to maintain the office's budgeting level, the office would routinely discard thousands and thousands of dollars worth of camera equipment and then request monies in its budget to purchase new equipment, simply to keep the level of its overall funding up.


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