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Edward Snowden is a traitor, just like Bradley Manning.  These little cretins don't get to decide what's classified and what's not.  He will rot in a prison right alongside Daniel Pollard.
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Edward Snowden is a traitor, just like Bradley Manning.  These little cretins don't get to decide what's classified and what's not.  He will rot in a prison right alongside Daniel Pollard.

You obviously did not view the video interview.     :chairbang:
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Can anyone make out the sticker on Snowden's laptop?  Looks like "I support [something] rights".
Hope he's not one of the treehugging evangelists.

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Can anyone make out the sticker on Snowden's laptop?  Looks like "I support [something] rights".
Hope he's not one of the treehugging evangelists.

I think it says "Support Online Rights" from the Electronic Frontier Foundation that defends bloogers rights, etc.


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I think it says "Support Online Rights" from the Electronic Frontier Foundation that defends bloogers rights, etc.



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Edward Snowden is a traitor, just like Bradley Manning.  These little cretins don't get to decide what's classified and what's not.  He will rot in a prison right alongside Daniel Pollard.
That might explain why he is in exile right now... in Hong Kong, which since 1997 has been a part of Red China.

But I wouldn't say just like Manning. Manning was working for the homosexual agenda. Snowden's motives were driven by something else.

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You obviously did not view the video interview.     :chairbang:

On the contrary, it just confirmed my initial assessment.  He took an oath, and obviously oaths don't mean anything to him. 
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Edward Snowden is a traitor, just like Bradley Manning.  These little cretins don't get to decide what's classified and what's not.  He will rot in a prison right alongside Daniel Pollard.

The difference is Manning knowingly leaked info that was actionable in outing US assets and quite possibly resulted in deaths of our troops. Technically what Snowden did was illegal but was it right? Remember everything the Nazis did was lawful by their own laws.

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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 08:39:40 PM »
Edward Snowden is a traitor, just like Bradley Manning.  These little cretins don't get to decide what's classified and what's not.  He will rot in a prison right alongside Daniel Pollard.

Au contraire.  History will paint a much more positive image of his role.  The people who kept the secret of Anne Frank's existence from the Nazis are considered heroes now; in Nazi Germany they were traitors who under duly enacted German law of the time would have been duly shot, or hung, for their crimes.

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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 08:40:27 PM »
The Dutch people who hid Jews in their attics told the Gestapo no one was up there. Should they be criticized as liars?
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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 08:51:47 PM »
The Dutch people who hid Jews in their attics told the Gestapo no one was up there. Should they be criticized as liars?

They should be criticized as traitors, according to some.

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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 09:18:02 PM »
Au contraire.  History will paint a much more positive image of his role.  The people who kept the secret of Anne Frank's existence from the Nazis are considered heroes now; in Nazi Germany they were traitors who under duly enacted German law of the time would have been duly shot, or hung, for their crimes.

Yes.  Of course.  Anyone who keeps a state secret is now a Nazi, according to some on this forum.

Let's just open the files and pour out all our sources and methods to anybody who wants to see them.

What the hell has gotten into you people?  You despise Obama so much that anything--ANYTHING--that could bring him down is perfectly legitimate.  Especially if state secrets are compromised.
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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2013, 09:20:52 PM »
These stories, which could include those who operated the Underground Railroad, illustrate why there has to be objective standards of what is right and true. Human law is not adequate to the task since it is mutable and transitory.

From whence you derive the objective standard then becomes the issue. This country once found it revealed in the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" but no longer, and everyone does as each individual sees fit.

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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 09:32:05 PM »
These stories, which could include those who operated the Underground Railroad, illustrate why there has to be objective standards of what is right and true. Human law is not adequate to the task since it is mutable and transitory.

From whence you derive the objective standard then becomes the issue. This country once found it revealed in the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" but no longer, and everyone does as each individual sees fit.

With philosophical unity gone, disorder prevails and grows.

Get real.  The Intelligence Committees of Congress are informed of these decisions; they have to be reauthorized every 90 days by the FISA courts. 

George W. Bush SECRETLY authorized the warrantless WIRETAPPING of communications involving American citizens and foreign sources.  The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Mike Rogers, attested that what is now occurring is legal and sanctioned by Congress.  Yes, let's have more transparency.  But to carry this out five decimal places and decide we are now in Nazi Germany is just idiotic.
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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2013, 10:45:19 PM »
This administration has redefined and has called into question the definition of 'what is legal'. Is it 'legal', for example, for Eric Holder to say openly that he will not enforce immigration law under any circumstances? Sebelius obviously broke the 'law' with fund raising and yet nothing will ever come of it. We know the IRS broke the 'law' with it's behavior toward people it considered to be not in support of Obama.
 
To the point, this administration has fostered a culture of picking and choosing what it considers to be 'law' and 'legal or illegal' regardless of what the books say.
 
Now, we are hearing that Snowden 'broke the law', however, as sure as I sit here now, had he leaked something favorable to this administration or to Obama, there would be no outrage or calls for 'justice' and he would be a hero to the Left and MSM. No one would be worried about 'the law'. His only 'crime' was that he did something the Leftist administration did not benefit from or want him to do.
 
Outrage and calls for justice are always very selective and subjective in America in general concerning many various issues.
 
He saw and participated in programs which he considered to be fundamental crimes against the American people. It is notable that he outed programs designed to surveille American citizens and did not out operations against foreign military targets.
 
American soldiers are trained to obey all 'legal' orders and only legal orders.  Snowden considered these programs to be against his conscience and against the conscience of America and the American people and did what he felt he had to do. Right or wrong, it is done.
 
I do not think everyone keeping a secret is a Nazi, but saying "I was just following orders." doesn't work either. When the government itself is breaking the law, and they create a law saying that talking about them breaking the law is illegal, then we wind up in a logical circle.
 
All revolutionaries all throughout all of history always began as 'illegal' until they gain power and make themselves 'legal'.
 
What is illegal? Honestly, after all I have seen over the past few years, I am no longer sure.
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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2013, 10:57:00 PM »
Excellent post, as usual 240. We know what is legal. So does this administration, but they put themselves above the law. What they were doing was and is unconstitutional, and all that was done was revealing illegal activity against the American people by the government. Manning was seeking revenge, and did commit espionage. As bad as all the revelations are, the leakers just might have saved America.

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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2013, 11:34:19 PM »
Get real.  The Intelligence Committees of Congress are informed of these decisions; they have to be reauthorized every 90 days by the FISA courts. 

Forgive my asking but what has that got to do with what I posted?
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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2013, 11:53:10 PM »
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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2013, 11:03:37 AM »
With that resume he is either a genius who someone recognized and pulled him from his mundane job or he is simply a go-between to be a face of the document release (ie, higher powers in the NSA leaked the docs and used him as a front so they wouldn't be exposed.)

He could also be a BS artist who contacted the media but never did anything.

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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2013, 12:22:56 PM »
Yes.  Of course.  Anyone who keeps a state secret is now a Nazi, according to some on this forum.

Let's just open the files and pour out all our sources and methods to anybody who wants to see them.

What the hell has gotten into you people?  You despise Obama so much that anything--ANYTHING--that could bring him down is perfectly legitimate.  Especially if state secrets are compromised.

Calm down ... and come in off the ledge.

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Re: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I do not expect to see home again'
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2013, 01:18:50 PM »
Yes.  Of course.  Anyone who keeps a state secret is now a Nazi, according to some on this forum.

Let's just open the files and pour out all our sources and methods to anybody who wants to see them.

What the hell has gotten into you people?  You despise Obama so much that anything--ANYTHING--that could bring him down is perfectly legitimate.  Especially if state secrets are compromised.

If you don't like that analogy, then how's about the Founders?  That's right, George Washington was a traitor under British law - and even worse, a traitor who had sworn an oath of fealty to the British Crown - so, does that make the Founders as dastardly and as deserving of punishment as you would have Mr. Snowden?


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