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Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« on: June 09, 2013, 02:54:08 PM »
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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 03:09:14 PM »
Ron Paul has always been a friggin' nutcase.  Those were his Libertarian Party days. 

Yes.  I'm believing that Ronald Reagan ordered the confiscation of Free Sundae lists from ice cream stores for the purposes of monitoring 18 and 19 year olds.

Sheesh.
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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 03:38:05 PM »
Yes.  I'm believing that Ronald Reagan ordered the confiscation of Free Sundae lists from ice cream stores for the purposes of monitoring 18 and 19 year olds.

Would you mind indicating the point in the tape where Dr Paul said President Reagan ordered this? I believe all he said was it was disquieting that a list from like that somehow wound up  in the government's hands. I, too, find that disturbing though apparently you don't. But, in any case, I missed the part about President Reagan, so please show where that occurred.

Or are you exaggerating once again for what you think creates effect but actually only makes you look silly?

Sheesh.
 
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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 03:43:24 PM »
Yes.  I'm believing that Ronald Reagan ordered the confiscation of Free Sundae lists from ice cream stores for the purposes of monitoring 18 and 19 year olds.

Would you mind indicating the point in the tape where Dr Paul said President Reagan ordered this? I believe all he said was it was disquieting that a list from like that somehow wound up  in the government's hands. I, too, find that disturbing though apparently you don't. But, in any case, I missed the part about President Reagan, so please show where that occurred.

Or are you exaggerating once again for what you think creates effect but actually only makes you look silly?

Sheesh.

I don't believe it.  Ron Paul is, and has always been, a kook.  Nobody paid any attention to him then, nobody pays attention to him now but a bunch of college keggers.

I thought the rule was, if it happened on a President's watch, it's the President's fault. 

Anyway, enjoy posting 29 year old Ron Paul house one-minutes. No doubt there are lots of those.
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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 04:02:49 PM »
Ron Paul is, and has always been, a kook.  Nobody paid any attention to him then, nobody pays attention to him now but a bunch of college keggers.
 
Thank you for that extremely well thought out and incisive ad hominem attack. I find those kinds of arguments so very persuasive, or as someone might say: Real powerful stuff there. Not.
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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 04:04:41 PM »
Ron Paul is, and has always been, a kook.  Nobody paid any attention to him then, nobody pays attention to him now but a bunch of college keggers.
 
Thank you for that extremely well thought out and incisive ad hominem attack. I find those kinds of arguments so very persuasive, or as someone might say: Real powerful stuff there. Not.

It's not ad hominem if it's true.  And all of that is true.
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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 04:31:18 PM »
The electronic capabilities we are hearing about in the news today, have been publicly known since the Bush administration. There have been documentaries about the NSA since before Obama.

How do you think we took out people with drones, in Yemen and Afghanistan?

Intelligence, military want these capabilities and argue successfully for them, whether the Potus is Bush or Obama.

OTOH going after Obama for abuses by the IRS under his direction, is legitimate political jousting.
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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 04:36:08 PM »
The electronic capabilities we are hearing about in the news today, have been publicly known since the Bush administration. There have been documentaries about the NSA since before Obama.

How do you think we took out people with drones, in Yemen and Afghanistan?

Intelligence, military want these capabilities and argue successfully for them, whether the Potus is Bush or Obama.

OTOH going after Obama for abuses by the IRS under his direction, is legitimate political jousting.

Most of this technology goes back to Clinton. Just as with all technology, it just has improved over time.

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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 04:49:07 PM »
Ron Paul is, and has always been, a kook.  Nobody paid any attention to him then, nobody pays attention to him now but a bunch of college keggers.
 
Thank you for that extremely well thought out and incisive ad hominem attack. I find those kinds of arguments so very persuasive, or as someone might say: Real powerful stuff there. Not.

I'll take this a bit of a different direction. This is actually a reflection of why Paul was a failure. Paul talked a LOT about a LOT of issues. In this case, it was pretty obvious at the time, heck, what he was saying had been said by everyone from Orwell to Rand to Asimov for a half century before.  Paul has two major problems:

1, gems like this are usually buried with his massive amounts of crazy stuff. I believe the very same year as this, he went on the Morton Downey Jr. show several times decrying the drug war as being a secret CIA front and H.W.Bush being a drug dealer himself.

2. he sabotages everything he claimed to stand for through his lack of leadership. A lot of people talk about a lot of things, leaders do. He had a pattern of taking his 'Dr. No' so far he even opposed incremental improvements, if there was one dot in something he didn't like, he opposed it. He also was a complete failure at getting bills passed. I seem to recall reading he had a total of four bills passed in his entire career and most of them were things like making square dancing a national past time.

In other words, he was about as effective as a homeless man walking down the street talking about the same things.

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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 05:01:56 PM »
Paul was notorious for getting pork included in appropriations bills, then voting against the appropriations bills, knowing they'd pass anyway.

He was a colossal hypocrite.
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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 05:06:11 PM »
Paul was notorious for getting pork included in appropriations bills, then voting against the appropriations bills, knowing they'd pass anyway.

He was a colossal hypocrite.

Can't argue with that.

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Re: Ron Paul talking about computer surveillance in 1984
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 05:22:13 PM »
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