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McCain defends surveillance programs
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Re: McCain defends surveillance programs
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 10:21:14 AM »
Rand Paul: NSA monitoring an 'extraordinary invasion of privacy'

By JONATHAN TOPAZ |
6/9/13 9:15 AM EDT

Sen. Rand Paul on Sunday called the National Security Agency's monitoring of telephone call logs and the Internet  an "extraordinary invasion of privacy."

The NSA is monitoring more than "a billion phone calls a day," an alarming number that is a violation of the Fourth Amendment, the Kentucky Republican said, adding that he and a growing number of Americans want to stand up against a "snooping government" increasingly demanding private records.

Calling the NSA strategy inefficient for counterterrorism, he called for more "targeted" monitoring, saying the current policy wastes time on a massive amount of information from private citizens who are no threats to national security.

The IRS scandal and the NSA monitoring, Paul said show a "pattern" of a government that has too much unchecked power.

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Re: McCain defends surveillance programs
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 10:25:50 AM »
The most efficient form of intelligence gathering is still what it has always been:  people on the ground and in the situation.  Apparently, the ability to train real intelligence gatherers has altogether withered away.  Is it any wonder that our "intelligence" services continually miss terrorists and planned terror attacks that are right under their very noses - the Boston Massacre, for example.
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Re: McCain defends surveillance programs
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 10:47:04 AM »
The most efficient form of intelligence gathering is still what it has always been:  people on the ground and in the situation.  Apparently, the ability to train real intelligence gatherers has altogether withered away.  Is it any wonder that our "intelligence" services continually miss terrorists and planned terror attacks that are right under their very noses - the Boston Massacre, for example.

Bingo.

There is simply no effective substitute for the gathering of human intelligence ("Humint"). Electronic signals intelligence of the kind currently favored by Obama's NSA is the world's biggest shotgun, and its abuse not only results in collateral damage, but tends to obscure threats rather than reveal them. Traditional elements of the trade, including visual observation, shadowing, recruiting, covert messaging, infiltration and pattern analysis tend to yield far better results - if in fact, one seeks to discover real threats and not merely to procure politically useful data. 

P.S.: McCain is still an idiot.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2013, 10:49:24 AM by andy58-in-nh »
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