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Title: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 11, 2018, 10:03:56 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/406040-federal-deficit-soars-32-percent-to-895b (http://thehill.com/policy/finance/406040-federal-deficit-soars-32-percent-to-895b)

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The federal deficit hit $895 billion in the first 11 months of fiscal 2018, an increase of $222 billion, or 32 percent, over the same period the previous year, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

The nonpartisan CBO reported that the central drivers of the increasing deficit were the Republican tax law and the bipartisan agreement to increase spending. As a result, revenue only rose 1 percent, failing to keep up with a 7 percent surge in spending, it added.

Revenue from individual and payroll taxes was up some $105 billion, or 4 percent, while corporate taxes fell $71 billion, or 30 percent.

Trump deficits are the absolute best, most luxurious, deficits.  #MAGA
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 11, 2018, 10:13:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmlytp7U8AAtpUy.jpg)

https://twitter.com/stlouisfed/status/1038487321191043072 (https://twitter.com/stlouisfed/status/1038487321191043072)

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St. Louis Fed @stlouisfed

U.S. #trade deficit widened in July to a five-month high of $50.1 billion, an increase of 9.5%—the largest percentage increase since March 2015 http://bit.ly/2MPJ5By (http://bit.ly/2MPJ5By)

Plus the greatest TRADE deficits #MAGA
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: ABX on September 11, 2018, 10:26:05 PM
But it is for the greater good.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: montanajoe on September 11, 2018, 10:30:15 PM
But it is for the greater good.

Yep...

The government is here to help you... Dims, Gopers, Trumpers never seen a check they could not write... :shrug:
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 11, 2018, 10:42:30 PM
Anyone tell me how the deficits are effecting them? Theydon't and that is why no one cares.

You panic freaks are the "Peak Oil" and "Global Warming" alarmists wrapped into one. All your predictions never come true.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: corbe on September 11, 2018, 10:56:08 PM
   We predicted, with great accuracy, that Trump would step on his d1ck all the time, where's the love @Frank Cannon ?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 11, 2018, 10:56:38 PM
Anyone tell me how the deficits are effecting them? Theydon't and that is why no one cares.

You panic freaks are the "Peak Oil" and "Global Warming" alarmists wrapped into one. All your predictions never come true.

I screwed up.  I was listening to this idiot...
http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive/Obama%20&&%20deficit/ffff (http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive/Obama%20&&%20deficit/ffff)

 Jul 8, 2011 11:22:30 AM ObamaCare Tragedy Primed to Further Explode the Deficit http://t.co/wRxqlxA (http://t.co/wRxqlxA) And @Obama transferred $500 billion from Medicare to fund it! [Twitter Web Client]
Sep 23, 2011 10:17:21 AM Our deficit spending is China’s gain. @BarackObama is bankrupting our country. [Twitter Web Client]
Oct 17, 2011 03:52:12 PM Late last Friday @BarackObama announced his 2011 budget deficit was $1.299 trillion -- the second largest in US history. [TweetDeck]
Dec 19, 2011 04:25:24 PM With a record deficit and $15 trillion in debt, @BarackObama is spending $4 million of our money on his Hawaii vacation. Just plain wrong. [Twitter Web Client]
Feb 1, 2012 01:57:52 PM His spending is reckless: @BarackObama will set a record fourth year of a $1 trillion budget deficit. http://t.co/P71gzhvm (http://t.co/P71gzhvm) [Twitter Web Client]
Feb 13, 2012 12:36:05 PM This has to stop! @BarackObama loves accruing American debt--he missed his budget deficit goal by over $500 billion. http://t.co/nsPDXFTs (http://t.co/nsPDXFTs) [Twitter Web Client]
Feb 14, 2012 11:29:43 AM A day after Greece burned @BarackObama released a $3.8 Trillion budget for 2013 with a $900 Billion deficit.He will turn America into Greece [Twitter Web Client]
Feb 14, 2012 01:21:21 PM A day after @BarackObama released a trillion dollar budget deficit, he is hosting China's future leader VP XiJinping. America's new reality. [Twitter Web Client]
Feb 15, 2012 04:09:18 PM The recession was made worse by @BarackObama. A $900Billion deficit is not getting better. [Twitter Web Client]
Mar 9, 2012 08:59:28 AM BarackObama set a record deficit last February - $229 billion while borrowing 42 cents of every dollar it spent. @BarackObama is reckless. [Twitter Web Client]
Mar 14, 2012 01:07:02 PM The 2012 budget deficit is already $93 billion larger than earlier estimates http://t.co/NHVgThr6 (http://t.co/NHVgThr6) @BarackObama (cont) http://t.co/KZgAG42e (http://t.co/KZgAG42e) [TwitLonger Beta]
Mar 30, 2012 12:55:45 PM Waste! With a $16T debt and $1T budget deficit, @BarackObama is sending $770M overseas "to fight global warming" http://t.co/op9x8BYl (http://t.co/op9x8BYl) [Twitter Web Client]
Apr 24, 2012 09:21:15 AM The Government spends 30% more than it admits http://t.co/AEq8jijt (http://t.co/AEq8jijt) @BarackObama is out of control with his deficit spending. [Twitter Web Client]
May 30, 2012 01:43:01 PM Scary--America would have had to pay all its GDP to the government to cover @BarackObama's real 2011 budget deficit http://t.co/loar8BD6 (http://t.co/loar8BD6) [Twitter Web Client]
Jun 1, 2012 01:21:12 PM Over $1T in annual deficit spending and adding over $6T to the debt for what? May jobless numbers are horrendous. The great Obama recovery. [Twitter Web Client]
Jun 7, 2012 01:12:10 PM Greece's financial calamity should serve as a warning. @BarackObama's massive deficit spending is unsustainable. [Twitter Web Client]
Jun 13, 2012 02:56:32 PM SCARY-$6T in debt and $1T annual budget deficits later, @BarackObama is asking for more time to fix the economy http://t.co/Wp4ozvQx (http://t.co/Wp4ozvQx) [Twitter Web Client]
Jun 26, 2012 11:18:50 AM Shock - @BarackObama's DNC Convention has a $27M deficit and events are starting to be canceled. http://t.co/HoOrtf0z (http://t.co/HoOrtf0z) [Twitter Web Client]
Jul 25, 2012 03:04:12 PM Congratulations to @BarackObama--he is the first POTUS to run trillion dollar deficits in all four years of his term! [Twitter Web Client]
Jul 31, 2012 08:22:27 AM Reckless--@BarackObama is projecting $1.2T deficit from 2012 budget & a projected $25.4T debt in a decade http://t.co/icpABbJQ (http://t.co/icpABbJQ) [Twitter Web Client]
Aug 1, 2012 03:22:13 PM The deficits under @BarackObama are the highest in America's history. Why is he bankrupting our country? [Twitter Web Client]
Sep 13, 2012 02:30:48 PM Congratulations to Obama and the @DNC. The federal deficit has topped $1T for a fourth year in a row http://t.co/1DK4yTDS (http://t.co/1DK4yTDS) Nice work! [Twitter Web Client]
Sep 18, 2012 03:05:13 PM None of Romney's leaked comments change the fact that Obama is a complete disaster. 20% real unemployment and $6T in deficit spending. [Twitter Web Client]
Sep 25, 2012 09:06:55 AM Scary--Obama's budget deficits are so out of control that he has to borrow 40 cents on every dollar he spends. [Twitter Web Client]
Oct 9, 2012 09:04:51 AM Obama projected a 2012 budget deficit of $557B. It is actually double that at $1.1T http://t.co/QR8vZIcP (http://t.co/QR8vZIcP) We can't afford four more years. [Twitter Web Client]
Oct 16, 2012 11:21:53 AM Obama just had another trillion dollar budget deficit for the fourth year in a row. At least he is consistent. [Twitter Web Client]
Feb 25, 2013 03:29:48 PM The $85B sequester is just 2% of Obama's $3.5T record deficit spending budget. Our leaders are ruining our children's future. [Twitter Web Client]
Apr 17, 2013 03:17:07 PM Obama’s $1T+ deficit budget expanded welfare & green cronyism & it cut domestic bomb prevention in half http://t.co/JNJRVIMW3B (http://t.co/JNJRVIMW3B) [Twitter Web Client]
Oct 3, 2013 02:01:06 PM Many Red-State Democrats sticking with Obama on deficit spending on the ObamaCare monstrosity will be defeated in 2014. [Twitter Web Client]
Oct 10, 2013 01:33:24 PM Obama is the most profligate deficit & debt spender in our nation’s history. Doubled debt (cont) http://t.co/O4hKAX2iUm (http://t.co/O4hKAX2iUm) [Twitlonger]
Jun 17, 2016 06:20:36 AM People very unhappy with Crooked Hillary and Obama on JOBS and SAFETY! Biggest trade deficit in many years! More attacks will follow Orlando [Twitter for Android]

We can always borrow more from the Chinese and our children's future.  Also USA! USA! USA!

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 11, 2018, 10:57:34 PM
   We predicted, with great accuracy, that Trump would step on his d1ck all the time, where's the love @Frank Cannon ?

Is he? He is doing a better job then Reagan turning the economy around.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 11, 2018, 10:58:05 PM
Anyone tell me how the deficits are effecting them? Theydon't and that is why no one cares.

You panic freaks are the "Peak Oil" and "Global Warming" alarmists wrapped into one. All your predictions never come true.

Sorry Frank, but you have to be an idiot to say such a thing. The credit card has limits and consequences. Printing money backed by nothing makes everything more expensive because the value of the money is reduced. Everyone with savings is having their past saved earnings destroyed. Enjoy the good times spending party. What can't continue won't continue. Sticking your head in the sand won't make the consequences go away.

Those "predictions" have come true over and over, country after country, that chose to ignore reality. They are scattered all over the world.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 11, 2018, 11:06:54 PM
Sorry Frank, but you have to be an idiot to say such a thing. The credit card has limits and consequences. Printing money backed by nothing makes everything more expensive because the value of the money is reduced. Everyone with savings is having their past saved earnings destroyed. Enjoy the good times spending party. What can't continue won't continue. Sticking your head in the sand won't make the consequences go away.

Those "predictions" have come true over and over, country after country, that chose to ignore reality. They are scattered all over the world.

You must have a lot in common with the panic-freak I quoted above http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,331830.msg1791517.html#msg1791517 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,331830.msg1791517.html#msg1791517)
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: ABX on September 11, 2018, 11:18:13 PM
 Boiling frog syndrome. I don't get into the extreme hyperbole predictions but the affects are widespread and hurt all of us.

One easy to spot example.

How long ago was it that a family could do well on a single breadwinner middle class income, buy a nice house, in a nice neighborhood, send kids to college, and maybe even retire early.

Now, for most it is difficult for a family to get by with two people working, they don't save for retirement, psrsoanl debt is through the roof, and most don't even have a months salary saved.

The inflationary impact of debt in relation to the spending power of the Dollar is one of the most personal examples people can see. Our dollar buys less and it requires more relative hours to earn it. On top of the, more and more is taken away in taxes, direct or indirect. Right now the average person has over 50% of their income go to the government in some manner, income taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, fees for everything and on everything, increased cost of goods from taxes and tariffs...

Debt is stealing the spending power of hour of your earnings. You are working half your hours just to fund the US debt.
(In 1960 for example, it was only about 2 hours out of a week that went to that).
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 11:19:32 PM
More winning. woohoo.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 11, 2018, 11:23:41 PM
According to Trump the economy has never been better.  Why are we spending like a depression?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: corbe on September 11, 2018, 11:24:34 PM
   People thought the Housing Bubble of 2008 was bad we're about to have the Grocery Store Bubble.

(https://www.prlog.org/11901057-payday-loans-no-credit-check-fast-approve-payday-loans.jpg)
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: ABX on September 11, 2018, 11:30:51 PM
   People thought the Housing Bubble of 2008 was bad we're about to have the Grocery Store Bubble.

(https://www.prlog.org/11901057-payday-loans-no-credit-check-fast-approve-payday-loans.jpg)

My bet is auto financing will be the next one to pop.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 11, 2018, 11:33:04 PM
Sorry Frank, but you have to be an idiot to say such a thing. The credit card has limits and consequences. Printing money backed by nothing makes everything more expensive because the value of the money is reduced. Everyone with savings is having their past saved earnings destroyed. Enjoy the good times spending party. What can't continue won't continue. Sticking your head in the sand won't make the consequences go away.

Those "predictions" have come true over and over, country after country, that chose to ignore reality. They are scattered all over the world.

Once again with the predictions and spin. You sure you are not posting Peak Oil articles over at Zero hedge?

I asked a simple question. How are the deficits effecting you personally? What are people on the streets seeing RIGHT THE EFF NOW that they can see the deficit is ruining their life. 
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: corbe on September 11, 2018, 11:38:44 PM
   Yea, $60,000 Trucks financed for 6 years, what could possibly go wrong with that?    :shrug:

   I brought up the Grocery store thing because I was there today and this inflation is spiraling out of control, week by week, and I'm single.   How a small family makes it today is beyond me.  Bless Them. 
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 11, 2018, 11:42:50 PM
I feel like throwing up.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on September 11, 2018, 11:54:29 PM
   People thought the Housing Bubble of 2008 was bad we're about to have the Grocery Store Bubble.

(https://www.prlog.org/11901057-payday-loans-no-credit-check-fast-approve-payday-loans.jpg)

(https://alfred.stlouisfed.org/alfredgraph.png?id=CSUSHPISA,CSUSHPISA&nsh=1&vintage_date=2018-07-31,2018-08-28&cosd=1987-01-01,1987-01-01&coed=2018-05-01,2018-06-01&type=image/png&chart_type=column&width=600&height=400&key=9aa9a90685b3a20313c066138c0438ff)
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 12:04:47 AM
Once again with the predictions and spin. You sure you are not posting Peak Oil articles over at Zero hedge?

I asked a simple question. How are the deficits effecting you personally? What are people on the streets seeing RIGHT THE EFF NOW that they can see the deficit is ruining their life.

Have you been to the grocery store Frank? Notice the prices of things? The price of a new car? The price of a house?

Have any savings Frank? Notice how the cost of things went up but the interest rate paid on your savings was zip?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Hoodat on September 12, 2018, 12:08:21 AM
Anyone tell me how the deficits are effecting them?

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Hoodat on September 12, 2018, 12:10:43 AM
How long ago was it that a family could do well on a single breadwinner middle class income, buy a nice house, in a nice neighborhood, send kids to college, and maybe even retire early.

Now, for most it is difficult for a family to get by with two people working, they don't save for retirement, psrsoanl debt is through the roof, and most don't even have a months salary saved.

The inflationary impact of debt in relation to the spending power of the Dollar is one of the most personal examples people can see. Our dollar buys less and it requires more relative hours to earn it. On top of the, more and more is taken away in taxes, direct or indirect. Right now the average person has over 50% of their income go to the government in some manner, income taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, fees for everything and on everything, increased cost of goods from taxes and tariffs...

Debt is stealing the spending power of hour of your earnings. You are working half your hours just to fund the US debt.
(In 1960 for example, it was only about 2 hours out of a week that went to that).

Correctamundo!
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on September 12, 2018, 12:25:25 AM
Boiling frog syndrome. I don't get into the extreme hyperbole predictions but the affects are widespread and hurt all of us.

One easy to spot example.

How long ago was it that a family could do well on a single breadwinner middle class income, buy a nice house, in a nice neighborhood, send kids to college, and maybe even retire early.

Now, for most it is difficult for a family to get by with two people working, they don't save for retirement, psrsoanl debt is through the roof, and most don't even have a months salary saved.

The inflationary impact of debt in relation to the spending power of the Dollar is one of the most personal examples people can see. Our dollar buys less and it requires more relative hours to earn it. On top of the, more and more is taken away in taxes, direct or indirect. Right now the average person has over 50% of their income go to the government in some manner, income taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, fees for everything and on everything, increased cost of goods from taxes and tariffs...

Debt is stealing the spending power of hour of your earnings. You are working half your hours just to fund the US debt.
(In 1960 for example, it was only about 2 hours out of a week that went to that).

I agree for the most part, but how much of the changes are preferences?   Back in the day, we didn't have cell phone bills and internet bills and didn't need daycare, we bought stuff that lasted instead of cheap garbage we have to replace by the time we get it home, etc.  We cooked meals from actual ingredients.  Our houses were comfortable, but smaller and less lavish.

I've speculated that some of the reduction in the LFPR is not that people couldn't find work (eventually), but that they decided they didn't need to go the dual income route.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 12, 2018, 12:31:14 AM
Have you been to the grocery store Frank? Notice the prices of things? The price of a new car? The price of a house?

Have any savings Frank? Notice how the cost of things went up but the interest rate paid on your savings was zip?

The price of shit has been going up in this country for over 100 years. Hasn't effected anyone. It also works in my favor because all my houses and buildings are worth more now then they were 10 or 20 years ago. Awesome investment.

BTW did you think things were so great when interest was almost 20%? Made the cost of a house loan a real awesome thing. How about those great 10% GMAC loans on your '81 Citation. A real cool bargain.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 12, 2018, 12:34:46 AM
  • They create a drag on the economy by siphoning off investment capital that would otherwise be used to start, grow, and expand businesses.
  • They create a drain on future budgets by adding the expense of bond payoff plus interest.
  • They empower the Democrat Party by providing a means to offer everything without actually having to pay for it.
  • They raise interest rates for consumers who now have to compete with government for loan dollars
  • And with our current policy of monetizing the debt, every American is faced with a new tax (i.e. inflation) that was never passed by Congress, yet steals the value out of every dollar you earn.

That is mumbo jumbo garbage. Interest is almost zero. We are as close to full employment then I can ever remember. Inflation has been going on forever (the Fed actually likes it). The Rats have been offering the moon for generations yet there is a Repub in the WH.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 12:46:46 AM
Wait, the numbers have gone up since post #1.  I just wanted to make sure that we have accurate numbers real time.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Hoodat on September 12, 2018, 12:52:41 AM
That is mumbo jumbo garbage.

Maybe to someone who doesn't understand the study of scarcity.


Interest is almost zero.

That is typically the case when the government pays its bills by printing fresh money.  (See:  Weimer Republic)


We are as close to full employment then I can ever remember.

As is North Korea.


Inflation has been going on forever (the Fed actually likes it).

Of course the Fed likes it.  If you were in debt for $20 trillion, and the currency lost 90% of its value because of inflation, then your debt effectively shrinks down to $2 trillion in real dollars.  Meanwhile, the people holding those T-bills just saw their investment lose 90% of its value.  Inflation enabled the government to steal $18 trillion in net worth from the bond holders, and they were able to do it without a tax increase.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on September 12, 2018, 12:58:05 AM
Maybe to someone who doesn't understand the study of scarcity.


That is typically the case when the government pays its bills by printing fresh money.  (See:  Weimer Republic)


As is North Korea.


Of course the Fed likes it.  If you were in debt for $20 trillion, and the currency lost 90% of its value because of inflation, then your debt effectively shrinks down to $2 trillion in real dollars.  Meanwhile, the people holding those T-bills just saw their investment lose 90% of its value.  Inflation enabled the government to steal $18 trillion in net worth from the bond holders, and they were able to do it without a tax increase.

And if you choose to store your wealth in something they aren't deflating the value of, they hit you with capital "gains" taxes.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 01:02:06 AM
That is mumbo jumbo garbage. Interest is almost zero. We are as close to full employment then I can ever remember. Inflation has been going on forever (the Fed actually likes it). The Rats have been offering the moon for generations yet there is a Repub in the WH.

Party on Frank. Hell, demand your guy doubles, triples the amount of borrowed/printed money... Free shit for everyone... It will all work out just fine...

Or not...
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 01:06:09 AM
Maybe to someone who doesn't understand the study of scarcity.


That is typically the case when the government pays its bills by printing fresh money.  (See:  Weimer Republic)


As is North Korea.


Of course the Fed likes it.  If you were in debt for $20 trillion, and the currency lost 90% of its value because of inflation, then your debt effectively shrinks down to $2 trillion in real dollars.  Meanwhile, the people holding those T-bills just saw their investment lose 90% of its value.  Inflation enabled the government to steal $18 trillion in net worth from the bond holders, and they were able to do it without a tax increase.

It also moves everyone up in the progressive tax brackets which is also a win for government. An ever increasing share of working peoples incomes.

Your standard of living goes down as you earn "more money"... The "more" is less in real value.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 12, 2018, 01:35:46 AM
  • They create a drag on the economy by siphoning off investment capital that would otherwise be used to start, grow, and expand businesses.
  • They create a drain on future budgets by adding the expense of bond payoff plus interest.
  • They empower the Democrat Party by providing a means to offer everything without actually having to pay for it.
  • They raise interest rates for consumers who now have to compete with government for loan dollars
  • And with our current policy of monetizing the debt, every American is faced with a new tax (i.e. inflation) that was never passed by Congress, yet steals the value out of every dollar you earn.

Really good post, but the one thing that I see as a weak point is the first point.  New start ups are up and existing business appears to be expanding.  We could argue that the economy should be doing better after "We enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history," but all the polls indicate American's think the economy is doing great and all the polls give President Trump more credit than Obama for it.  Sometimes even a majority. 

Even though the economy is doing well the polls all indicate people don't like, and don't trust President Trump.  A sizable majority says we are on the wrong path despite agreement that the economy, if not perfect, at least is better than under the Kenyan.  Since many people and businesses are benefiting from the tax cuts and Trump's increasingly quantifiable reduction of Obama enacted government regulation, I think arguing the economy is counter productive.

In 1996 the GOP bet against the economy and lost.  TOS compiled a list of 500 unexplained White House linked homicides and accidental deaths.  The rapist covered up the murders of Randy Weaver's son and dog, and AG Reno burned Christian children.   But in 1996 I knew war hero Bob Dole was a joke to my lessors and the rapist would come back for another spit on the Constitution.

We can't win as the debt panic freaks.  We have to figure out why a complete scumbag, with a lot of bad ideas, a bad memory, and limited speaking skills is so hated by so many voters, so we can prepare for his impeachment in a logical manner and plan for it.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 01:39:31 AM
Really good post, but the one thing that I see as a weak point is the first point.  New start ups are up and existing business appears to be expanding.  We could argue that the economy should be doing better after "We enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history," but all the polls indicate American's think the economy is doing great and all the polls give President Trump more credit than Obama for it.  Sometimes even a majority. 

Even though the economy is doing well the polls all indicate people don't like, and don't trust President Trump.  A sizable majority says we are on the wrong path despite agreement that the economy, if not perfect, at least is better than under the Kenyan.  Since many people and businesses are benefiting from the tax cuts and Trump's increasingly quantifiable reduction of Obama enacted government regulation, I think arguing the economy is counter productive.

In 1996 the GOP bet against the economy and lost.  TOS compiled a list of 500 unexplained White House linked homicides and accidental deaths.  The rapist covered up the murders of Randy Weaver's son and dog, and AG Reno burned Christian children.   But in 1996 I knew war hero Bob Dole was a joke to my lessors and the rapist would come back for another spit on the Constitution.

We can't win as the debt panic freaks.  We have to figure out why a complete scumbag, with a lot of bad ideas, a bad memory, and limited speaking skills is so hated by so many voters, so we can prepare for his impeachment in a logical manner and plan for it.

It is temporary. The spending can't continue at these levels. It is easy to party when the credit card has no apparent limits. But the limit will be found.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 01:59:57 AM
It is temporary. The spending can't continue at these levels. It is easy to party when the credit card has no apparent limits. But the limit will be found.

Consequences of breaking natural laws, assert themselves violently when efforts to circumvent them finally fail.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 02:10:58 AM
Dear Lord, so much disinformation by posters.  8 years  of Obama, & some said give him time, after 4 years! Now about 18 months & all I read is bitchen.  in fact things are doing much better, HE wants to take credit! 

None of you seem informed.

https://youtu.be/2n720int26s
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: catfish1957 on September 12, 2018, 02:27:49 AM
Dear Lord, so much disinformation by posters.  8 years  of Obama, & some said give him time, after 4 years! Now about 18 months & all I read is bitchen.  in fact things are doing much better, HE wants to take credit! 

None of you seem informed.

https://youtu.be/2n720int26s

You and Frank Cannon will enjoy your 8% increase in your portfolios while in a 10% inflationary economy.

Jimmuh Carter uh.......Trump math will work out for you just fine for you.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on September 12, 2018, 03:00:01 AM
Really good post, but the one thing that I see as a weak point is the first point.  New start ups are up and existing business appears to be expanding.  We could argue that the economy should be doing better after "We enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history," but all the polls indicate American's think the economy is doing great and all the polls give President Trump more credit than Obama for it.  Sometimes even a majority. 

Even though the economy is doing well the polls all indicate people don't like, and don't trust President Trump.  A sizable majority says we are on the wrong path despite agreement that the economy, if not perfect, at least is better than under the Kenyan.  Since many people and businesses are benefiting from the tax cuts and Trump's increasingly quantifiable reduction of Obama enacted government regulation, I think arguing the economy is counter productive.

In 1996 the GOP bet against the economy and lost.  TOS compiled a list of 500 unexplained White House linked homicides and accidental deaths.  The rapist covered up the murders of Randy Weaver's son and dog, and AG Reno burned Christian children.   But in 1996 I knew war hero Bob Dole was a joke to my lessors and the rapist would come back for another spit on the Constitution.

We can't win as the debt panic freaks.  We have to figure out why a complete scumbag, with a lot of bad ideas, a bad memory, and limited speaking skills is so hated by so many voters, so we can prepare for his impeachment in a logical manner and plan for it.

Point One (and really Four as well, they are intertwined) is known to economists as "crowding out".  The idea is that there is a certain amount of money willing to be lent out by investors at given rates.  Any amount the government borrows to finance deficit spending is money that investors won't loan to businesses to invest in capital to grow the economy.  As economic theories go, it's a pretty sound one, IMO.

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Concerned on September 12, 2018, 08:29:18 AM
Increasing deficits were bad and harmful under Obama yet they’re OK when they're done under your cult leader.  The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 08:56:13 AM
Increasing deficits were bad and harmful under Obama yet they’re OK when they're done under your cult leader.  The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 10:01:20 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/406040-federal-deficit-soars-32-percent-to-895b (http://thehill.com/policy/finance/406040-federal-deficit-soars-32-percent-to-895b)

Trump deficits are the absolute best, most luxurious, deficits.  #MAGA
boaring into the details it appears that

The largest increases were in the following categories:

In total, spending for the three largest mandatory programs increased by 4 percent:
Outlays for Social Security benefits rose by $39 billion (or 5 percent), because of increases both in the number of beneficiaries and in the average benefit payment.
Medicare spending increased by $22 billion (or 4 percent) because of increases both in the number of beneficiaries and in the amount and cost of services. The increase in spending was partly the result of an additional reconciliation payment made to Medicare Advantage plans to account for unanticipated spending increases in the current calendar year.
Medicaid outlays rose by $13 billion (or 4 percent), in part because more new enrollees were added through expansions of coverage authorized by the Affordable Care Act.
Outlays for net interest on the public debt increased by $55 billion (or 19 percent), partly because of a higher rate of inflation. To account for inflation, the Treasury Department adjusts the principal of its inflation-protected securities each month by using the change in the consumer price index for all urban consumers that was recorded two months earlier. That adjustment was $34 billion in the first 11 months of fiscal year 2017 but $60 billion so far in the current fiscal year. The remaining increase reflects higher interest rates and larger debt in the first 11 months of 2018.
Spending for military programs of the Department of Defense rose by $33 billion (or 6 percent).
The government received $20 billion less in total payments from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, resulting in higher outlays (included in “Other” in the table below and revised downward from last month’s estimate of $22 billion to reflect year-to-date net transactions).
Outlays of the Department of Homeland Security (included in “Other” below), increased by $21 billion (or 48 percent), largely because of activities related to disaster relief.
In contrast, outlays for the Department of Education (included in “Other” below) fell by $43 billion (or 43 percent) because the department made a downward revision of $9 billion to the estimated net subsidy costs of loans and loan guarantees issued in prior years—a change very different from last year’s $39 billion upward revision. If the effects of those revisions were excluded, outlays for the department in the first 11 months of the fiscal year would have risen by $5 billion (or 8 percent).


so rising interest rates on accumulated debt, which was almost all caused by those who preceded Trump, was single highest added cost.

please tell us how Trump was responsible for that, as well as the 4% increases to ss, medicare and medicaid.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Concerned on September 12, 2018, 10:13:57 AM
boaring into the details it appears that

The largest increases were in the following categories:

In total, spending for the three largest mandatory programs increased by 4 percent:
Outlays for Social Security benefits rose by $39 billion (or 5 percent), because of increases both in the number of beneficiaries and in the average benefit payment.
Medicare spending increased by $22 billion (or 4 percent) because of increases both in the number of beneficiaries and in the amount and cost of services. The increase in spending was partly the result of an additional reconciliation payment made to Medicare Advantage plans to account for unanticipated spending increases in the current calendar year.
Medicaid outlays rose by $13 billion (or 4 percent), in part because more new enrollees were added through expansions of coverage authorized by the Affordable Care Act.
Outlays for net interest on the public debt increased by $55 billion (or 19 percent), partly because of a higher rate of inflation. To account for inflation, the Treasury Department adjusts the principal of its inflation-protected securities each month by using the change in the consumer price index for all urban consumers that was recorded two months earlier. That adjustment was $34 billion in the first 11 months of fiscal year 2017 but $60 billion so far in the current fiscal year. The remaining increase reflects higher interest rates and larger debt in the first 11 months of 2018.
Spending for military programs of the Department of Defense rose by $33 billion (or 6 percent).
The government received $20 billion less in total payments from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, resulting in higher outlays (included in “Other” in the table below and revised downward from last month’s estimate of $22 billion to reflect year-to-date net transactions).
Outlays of the Department of Homeland Security (included in “Other” below), increased by $21 billion (or 48 percent), largely because of activities related to disaster relief.
In contrast, outlays for the Department of Education (included in “Other” below) fell by $43 billion (or 43 percent) because the department made a downward revision of $9 billion to the estimated net subsidy costs of loans and loan guarantees issued in prior years—a change very different from last year’s $39 billion upward revision. If the effects of those revisions were excluded, outlays for the department in the first 11 months of the fiscal year would have risen by $5 billion (or 8 percent).


so rising interest rates on accumulated debt, which was almost all caused by those who preceded Trump, was single highest added cost.

please tell us how Trump was responsible for that, as well as the 4% increases to ss, medicare and medicaid.

At this point, the source of the debt or deficit doesn’t really matter that much.  It’s simply unsustainable IMO.  Trump set the expectation that he could eliminate the debt within 8 years.  He’s 1 ½ years in yet is adding to it massively. 

We all know, the sooner we attack this problem (including entitlement reform, which Trump says he will NOT do), the easier it’s going to be to solve it.  This so-called “conservative” President (and self-described "great deal-maker"), like the liberal President before him, appears unwilling to make the tough fiscal choices necessary to truly attack the debt and deficit (and unable to make those "great deals" with Congress to attack it).  From a debt and deficit perspective, sadly, I haven’t seen much difference between this so-called “conservative” and his liberal predecessor. 
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 10:32:20 AM
At this point, the source of the debt or deficit doesn’t really matter that much.  It’s simply unsustainable IMO.  Trump set the expectation that he could eliminate the debt within 8 years.  He’s 1 ½ years in yet is adding to it massively. 

We all know, the sooner we attack this problem (including entitlement reform, which Trump says he will NOT do), the easier it’s going to be to solve it.  This so-called “conservative” President (and self-described "great deal-maker"), like the liberal President before him, appears unwilling to make the tough fiscal choices necessary to truly attack the debt and deficit (and unable to make those "great deals" with Congress to attack it).  From a debt and deficit perspective, sadly, I haven’t seen much difference between this so-called “conservative” and his liberal predecessor.

Someone should spam that all over the board.  They like to put up the list of "accomplishments" but they won't acknowledge simple facts like this.  Major campaign failure.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 03:01:00 PM
At this point, the source of the debt or deficit doesn’t really matter that much.
you really believe that?

You see no difference in Obama paying off donors and funding our defense?

Wacky.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 03:05:56 PM
He’s 1 ½ years in yet is adding to it massively. 

seems you haven't explained as yet how he is responsible for increased interest on past debt incurred by predecesdors, noR the 4% increase in entitlements of ss, Medicare or medicaid
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 03:13:35 PM
seems you haven't explained as yet how he is responsible for increased interest on past debt incurred by predecesdors, noR the 4% increase in entitlements of ss, Medicare or medicaid

What Trump is doing is the same as what came before him. And the consequences will be the same. The previous debt you blame for what's happening now will be someone else's "previous debt" that causes future consequences.

Trump was supposed to be the guy that changed that path. Remember? Not ramp it up.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 03:19:53 PM
What Trump is doing is the same as what came before him. And the consequences will be the same.
really?

You must not have cared to read the details on the massive cuts in Education and EPA in last 11 months.

Which of his predecesdors did that?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 03:27:02 PM
really?

You must not have cared to read the details on the massive cuts in Education and EPA in last 11 months.

Which of his predecesdors did that?

You cannot see what you refuse to look at. 
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: skeeter on September 12, 2018, 03:36:52 PM
What Trump is doing is the same as what came before him. And the consequences will be the same. The previous debt you blame for what's happening now will be someone else's "previous debt" that causes future consequences.

Trump was supposed to be the guy that changed that path. Remember? Not ramp it up.

Its a bit unfair to blame Trump for the deficits increase what with mandated spending increases not of his doing and the prime rate being .75 higher than it was this time last year.

He is chipping away at the budget as well as driving the effort to get back to regular order in the budget process, not to mention growing GDP significantly with tax & regulatory reforms, all of which will have positive effect on the deficit eventually but theres only so much a president can do in two years.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 03:41:44 PM
really?

You must not have cared to read the details on the massive cuts in Education and EPA in last 11 months.

Which of his predecesdors did that?

And yet the increase.

My kitchen table says when I ain't got enough money, I don't rely on credit cards... And the money has to come from somewhere. Oddly enough, folks get mad when I print more. Go figger.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 03:42:50 PM
Its a bit unfair to blame Trump for the deficits increase what with mandated spending increases not of his doing and the prime rate being .75 higher than it was this time last year.

He is chipping away at the budget as well as driving the effort to get back to regular order in the budget process, which will have positive effect eventually but theres only so much a president can do in two years.

 :amen: It never ceases to amaze me what some people seem to expect of a man.  Especially one who has all the things this particular one has arrayed against him.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 12, 2018, 03:45:39 PM
This is my main knock against Trump, that he signed the last porkulus bill.

That said, where do I put the blame? Trump for sure, but as as a conservative who believes in Separate But Equal government, half that blame falls on Ryan, McConnell, and Congress.

They had total control as to the details of that spending monster of a bill, and they sent it up to Pennsylvania Ave anyway.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: skeeter on September 12, 2018, 03:46:26 PM
:amen: It never ceases to amaze me what some people seem to expect of a man.  Especially one who has all the things this particular one has arrayed against him.

Aw let 'em enjoy themselves. They're happiest when they're feeling holier than thou.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 12, 2018, 03:46:36 PM
You cannot see what you refuse to look at.

Indeed. https://www.epa.gov/planandbudget/budget (https://www.epa.gov/planandbudget/budget) Lots of cuts to the EPA budget and workforce under Dubya.  After what Donald Trump frequently tweeted as Obama's huge ballooning budget deficits, cutting a little fat from the EPA should have been freaking easy.  Rah rah :happyny:
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 03:48:12 PM
This is my main knock against Trump, that he signed the last porkulus bill.

That said, where do I put the blame? Trump for sure, but as as a conservative who believes in Separate But Equal government, half that blame falls on Ryan, McConnell, and Congress.

They had total control as to the details of that spending monster of a bill, and they sent it up to Pennsylvania Ave anyway.

And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the unvarnished truth of the matter!
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 03:49:25 PM
Increasing deficits were bad and harmful under Obama yet they’re OK when they're done under your cult leader.  The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

You don't understand how good money is being spent on America or BAD MONEY spent on country's that hate us.

President TRUMP is spending a lot ON AMERICANS, for their safety & wellness.  Military is being restored, by what your obama torn down. Military getting raises, equipment to keep us safe. VA, Veterans getting the care they need. 

Obama spent 2 billion on just one trip to INDIA . They hide that fact. It was something like millions a day for 10 days, & a large extra entourage.   See, there is GOOD spending for our welfare, then BAD SPENDING, wasting our tax dollars  on frivolous trips!   President TRUMP is taking NO PAY for this ungrateful job, yet works 100 hour weeks.
(Almost one million saved, right there, end of two years, with no pay taken)

President TRUMP is very thrifty, but you forget the PORK & crap democrats put into bills, to sabotage Presidents agenda.
You need to be angry at all DEMON-RATS, the obstructionist, & RINOS, who sabotage every step of the way.

About 7 trillion on spending, for muslim country's to rebuild, mosques, other infrastructure, given by OBAMA.  About 30 million on phony Mueller investigation, using our tax dollars.  Be angry at that WASTE.  President TRUMP is stopping some of that, giving our money to terrorist country.( Edit; Not stopping Mueller probe, giving money to terrorist countries.)

Just like any new business, one starts out with CAPITAL, then works that, till the profits come in.  MORE JOBS= MORE FICA & 1040 taxes coming in.  Then trade deals are in the process of being changed for our benefit. Business's coming back to America, that OBAMA OUTSOURCED, to mexico, Philippines, Brazil, Africa. Obama out sourced NASA TO Russians & muslim country's. There is the 4th Russian connection from Obama.
Do I have to list the 4, or are some of you informed about that?


I believe Bachmann, over an LEFT, LYING MEDIA...at the OBAMA time. By now we should know it was all cover up for obama by media DAILY.  Obama's adm. & left media, told us the truth, right?   **nononono* Don't brother posting SNOPES/ FACTCHECK, which are left, radical, democrat, organization, funded by Annenberg foundation=BILL AYERS
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Rep. Michele Bachmann AP PHOTO/JACQUELYN MARTIN

Earlier this week, the Press Trust of India reported that the United States will "be spending a whopping $200 million per day on President Barack Obama's visit" to Mumbai.

The story lacked a named source, ( Press Trust of India)  and the $200 million claim was credited to "a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit."

The claim quickly gained traction on the right, thanks in part to a link on the conservative news aggregator The Drudge Report. Among those citing it is Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, who responded to a question from CNN's Anderson Cooper last night on how she would reduce the deficit by citing the cost of the presidential trip.

"Well I think we know that just within a day or so, the president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day," she said. "He's taking two thousand people with him. He'll be renting out over 870 rooms in India. And these are 5-star hotel rooms at the Taj Mahal Palace hotel. This is the kind of over-the-top spending, it's a very small example, Anderson." CBSNEWS.COM


(President Barack Obama is visiting Asia this week. Conservative bloggers and talk-radio hosts (Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and so on) and tea party darling Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) claim that his trip is costing taxpayers a staggering $200 million a day. (Some also claim that the Navy is dispatching 34 ships and an aircraft carrier to support the mission. More on that later.)

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Concerned on September 12, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
you really believe that?

You see no difference in Obama paying off donors and funding our defense?

Wacky.

seems you haven't explained as yet how he is responsible for increased interest on past debt incurred by predecesdors, noR the 4% increase in entitlements of ss, Medicare or medicaid

I’m not trying to explain that he’s responsible for interest on past debt, but as the current President he’s responsible for doing something about the current debt especially since he promised that he could.  I think it’s common knowledge that a big part of the debt is due to entitlements and interest.  Our interest obligations will likely get worse as interest rates rise.  This is precisely why I believe we need entitlement reform and why we need to attack the debt and deficit NOW while Republicans control both the Congress and the Presidency, but unfortunately, we’re adding to it under this supposed "conservative" President.

Look, I’m not the one who said I could eliminate the debt within 8 years.  I thought it was just more gibberish from this guy, but he’s the one who set that expectation just as he set the expectation that he was going to “lock her up” that Mexico was going to pay for the wall that he was going to propose a Constitutional Amendment for term limits, that North Korea “is no longer a nuclear threat” that “The GDP Rate (4.2%) is higher than the Unemployment Rate (3.9%) for the first time in over 100 years!"  This guy has done some great things (especially economically), but unfortunately, he insists on stepping on his own message with broken promises (like this one on the debt), and by lies, falsehoods, and exaggerations (like his recent tweet about 100 years)…………..all unnecessarily IMO. 

Trump supporters seem to love to talk about how he keeps his promises and how conservative he is.  My point is that he hasn’t kept a bunch of promises and by adding trillions to the debt as he’s doing, he’s certainly not fiscally conservative.  I think he and the Republican Congress are blowing a huge opportunity to do something about our debt.  That’s my point and that's what's whacky to me (especially since he promised he could).
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 03:58:26 PM
This is my main knock against Trump, that he signed the last porkulus bill.

That said, where do I put the blame? Trump for sure, but as as a conservative who believes in Separate But Equal government, half that blame falls on Ryan, McConnell, and Congress.

They had total control as to the details of that spending monster of a bill, and they sent it up to Pennsylvania Ave anyway.

Tha buck stops at the top. That is what the top is for.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
This is my main knock against Trump, that he signed the last porkulus bill.

That said, where do I put the blame? Trump for sure, but as as a conservative who believes in Separate But Equal government, half that blame falls on Ryan, McConnell, and Congress.

They had total control as to the details of that spending monster of a bill, and they sent it up to Pennsylvania Ave anyway.

Correctamundo.

The fact is that the Republican Party is as diabolically addicted to spending our money borrowed from our kids and grandkids' futures - as the Democrats are if not moreso.

But... the fact is Trump signed it.  And has pledged to sign more Billions in deficit spending bills - without so much as a single dime reducing the size and scope of Government.

Planned Parenthood funding anyone?

The buck has to stop somewhere and Trump made it plain that it doesn't stop with him.

So off to printing up more money out of thin air goes our treasury while welfare for everything from abortions to zoos continues unabated.

And no one gives a shit as long as their wallets get fat - even when they are consigning their own posterity to ruin and starvation in the future.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 04:02:56 PM
And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the unvarnished truth of the matter!
I agree with that.

How many years has it been since we had an actual budget rather than just continuing resolutions?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 12, 2018, 04:04:24 PM
Tha buck stops at the top. That is what the top is for.

If people are blaming Trump because of the deficit while standing on their conservative and constitutional principles, then there is no 'top' if they want to be consistent on those principles.

It's either the Separate or Equal as the Constitution spelled out or not, but 'not' is not a constitutional, nor conservative choice, no more than is big deficit spending.

Trump is not the evil genius doofus any more than W was.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 12, 2018, 04:05:15 PM
Correctamundo.

The fact is that the Republican Party is as diabolically addicted to spending our money borrowed from our kids and grandkids' futures - as the Democrats are if not moreso.

But... the fact is Trump signed it.  And has pledged to sign more Billions in deficit spending bills - without so much as a single dime reducing the size and scope of Government.

Planned Parenthood funding anyone?

The buck has to stop somewhere and Trump made it plain that it doesn't stop with him.

So off to printing up more money out of thin air goes our treasury while welfare for everything from abortions to zoos continues unabated.

And no one gives a shit as long as their wallets get fat - even when they are consigning their own posterity to ruin and starvation in the future.

I agree. When it comes to the budget, I'm not happy with anyone right now.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
Tha buck stops at the top. That is what the top is for.
And it does,

In our constitutional government, my civics class taught me that Congress and Executive share top billing to run this country.

You have a different take?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 04:13:18 PM
If people are blaming Trump because of the deficit while standing on their conservative and constitutional principles, then there is no 'top' if they want to be consistent on those principles.

It's either the Separate or Equal as the Constitution spelled out or not, but 'not' is not a constitutional, nor conservative choice, no more than is big deficit spending.

Trump is not the evil genius doofus any more than W was.

Lets bring it back to the kitchen table:
It don't matter how you got behind. The credit cards are way past your ability to pay them... What's going to get you through the month? What brings the credit card payments down?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 04:15:45 PM
And it does,

In our constitutional government, my civics class taught me that Congress and Executive share top billing to run this country.

You have a different take?

Sure do.
The point, when faced with an out of control Congress, is at the tip of the president's pen.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 04:25:08 PM
And it does,

In our constitutional government, my civics class taught me that Congress and Executive share top billing to run this country.

You have a different take?

Yet Trump just rubber stamps whatever congress sends him... The executive only shares top billing if he's willing to use the veto pen to exercise his authority.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 04:26:42 PM
boaring into the details it appears that

The largest increases were in the following categories:

In total, spending for the three largest mandatory programs increased by 4 percent:
Outlays for Social Security benefits rose by $39 billion (or 5 percent), because of increases both in the number of beneficiaries and in the average benefit payment.
Medicare spending increased by $22 billion (or 4 percent) because of increases both in the number of beneficiaries and in the amount and cost of services. The increase in spending was partly the result of an additional reconciliation payment made to Medicare Advantage plans to account for unanticipated spending increases in the current calendar year.
Medicaid outlays rose by $13 billion (or 4 percent), in part because more new enrollees were added through expansions of coverage authorized by the Affordable Care Act.
Outlays for net interest on the public debt increased by $55 billion (or 19 percent), partly because of a higher rate of inflation. To account for inflation, the Treasury Department adjusts the principal of its inflation-protected securities each month by using the change in the consumer price index for all urban consumers that was recorded two months earlier. That adjustment was $34 billion in the first 11 months of fiscal year 2017 but $60 billion so far in the current fiscal year. The remaining increase reflects higher interest rates and larger debt in the first 11 months of 2018.
Spending for military programs of the Department of Defense rose by $33 billion (or 6 percent).
The government received $20 billion less in total payments from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, resulting in higher outlays (included in “Other” in the table below and revised downward from last month’s estimate of $22 billion to reflect year-to-date net transactions).
Outlays of the Department of Homeland Security (included in “Other” below), increased by $21 billion (or 48 percent), largely because of activities related to disaster relief.
In contrast, outlays for the Department of Education (included in “Other” below) fell by $43 billion (or 43 percent) because the department made a downward revision of $9 billion to the estimated net subsidy costs of loans and loan guarantees issued in prior years—a change very different from last year’s $39 billion upward revision. If the effects of those revisions were excluded, outlays for the department in the first 11 months of the fiscal year would have risen by $5 billion (or 8 percent).


so rising interest rates on accumulated debt, which was almost all caused by those who preceded Trump, was single highest added cost.

please tell us how Trump was responsible for that, as well as the 4% increases to ss, medicare and medicaid.

I did not read every line I scanned. You are correct, from what I scanned. I just wanted to add;

Obama took almost ONE TRILLION dollars from paid in MEDICARE from seniors, then denied them care, (you may just need a pill"=Obama)....and gave it to Obamacare, which was NEVER about health, but a way to put in 18 new taxes & regulations  to destroy our system & country!  Same "health" care plan that Hitler had, Should be a clue.


Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 04:27:21 PM
I’m not trying to explain that he’s responsible for interest on past debt, but as the current President he’s responsible for doing something about the current debt especially since he promised that he could.  I think it’s common knowledge that a big part of the debt is due to entitlements and interest.  Our interest obligations will likely get worse as interest rates rise.  This is precisely why I believe we need entitlement reform and why we need to attack the debt and deficit NOW while Republicans control both the Congress and the Presidency, but unfortunately, we’re adding to it under this supposed "conservative" President.

Look, I’m not the one who said I could eliminate the debt within 8 years.  I thought it was just more gibberish from this guy, but he’s the one who set that expectation just as he set the expectation that he was going to “lock her up” that Mexico was going to pay for the wall that he was going to propose a Constitutional Amendment for term limits, that North Korea “is no longer a nuclear threat” that “The GDP Rate (4.2%) is higher than the Unemployment Rate (3.9%) for the first time in over 100 years!"  This guy has done some great things (especially economically), but unfortunately, he insists on stepping on his own message with broken promises (like this one on the debt), and by lies, falsehoods, and exaggerations (like his recent tweet about 100 years)…………..all unnecessarily IMO. 

Trump supporters seem to love to talk about how he keeps his promises and how conservative he is.  My point is that he hasn’t kept a bunch of promises and by adding trillions to the debt as he’s doing, he’s certainly not fiscally conservative.  I think he and the Republican Congress are blowing a huge opportunity to do something about our debt.  That’s my point and that's what's whacky to me (especially since he promised he could).
Ok, I see your point.

No one promised Rome to be built in a day, and Trump is no different.  My take is he is certainly headed in the correct direction by reducing federal payroll and scaling back immensely government largess authorized by Congress such as Education.  He could certainly do more if a responsible Congress would do its own job in reining in spending.

The deficit is not caused by the govt revenue stream.  That is at a record.

It is caused by spending.  Some long term problems are being addressed such as more Americans at work and off welfare.  Those results will not show up immediately, but with reduced expenditures by corporations on taxes, that money will be returned to the economy and increase its robustness. 

I believe the debt interest is a real problem and nothing he has done has been his responsibility.

Less than 10% of all US debt is over 20 years maturity.  That is absurd for long term debt and right now, inflation is causing all that short term maturity of debt to be higher in interest, much higher than it should be.  As a country, this debt repayment needs to be over a longer period, which will most decidedly be more expensive in interest over the short term but cause a lighter load on the next generation.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
Sure do.
The point, when faced with an out of control Congress, is at the tip of the president's pen.
Then you failed civics.

Only so much with that pen can Executive do.

What you advocate is some type of dictatorship rather than a Constitutional run government.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 04:31:39 PM
Then you failed civics.

Only so much with that pen can Executive do.

What you advocate is some type of dictatorship rather than a Constitutional run government.

Wrong. The porkulus. He signed it. With hardly a whimper. That ain't anybody's fault but his.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 04:32:20 PM
I did not read every line I scanned. You are correct, from what I scanned. I just wanted to add;

Obama took almost ONE TRILLION dollars from paid in MEDICARE from seniors, then denied them care, (you may just need a pill"=Obama)....and gave it to Obamacare, which was NEVER about health, but a way to put in 18 new taxes & regulations  to destroy our system & country!  Same "health" care plan that Hitler had, Should be a clue.
Yet one or more posters on this board believe ALL spending by government is essentially the same.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 04:33:18 PM
Then you failed civics.

Only so much with that pen can Executive do.

What you advocate is some type of dictatorship rather than a Constitutional run government.

Didn't even try to exercise his authority with the veto pen. Just signed it and whined about it... As if he was powerless to do anything at all... None of us is asking for a "dictatorship", just that he exercise the authority he was granted under the constitution towards what he claimed he was going to do.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 04:34:46 PM
Yet one or more posters on this board believe ALL spending by government is essentially the same.

It is. It is all debt. On our grandchildren. And great grandchildren.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 04:34:56 PM
Wrong. The porkulus. He signed it. With hardly a whimper. That ain't anybody's fault but his.

I sincerely wish he hadn't and has said that he would sign no more like it. I strongly disagree with you about it being entirely his fault.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 04:35:44 PM
Wrong. The porkulus. He signed it. With hardly a whimper. That ain't anybody's fault but his.
not disagreeing that was the wrong thing to do.

My comment is that Congress can always over-ride Executive's pen anyway, which I wish Trump would have caused to happen.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Concerned on September 12, 2018, 04:37:20 PM
Ok, I see your point.

No one promised Rome to be built in a day, and Trump is no different.  My take is he is certainly headed in the correct direction by reducing federal payroll and scaling back immensely government largess authorized by Congress such as Education.  He could certainly do more if a responsible Congress would do its own job in reining in spending.

The deficit is not caused by the govt revenue stream.  That is at a record.

It is caused by spending.  Some long term problems are being addressed such as more Americans at work and off welfare.  Those results will not show up immediately, but with reduced expenditures by corporations on taxes, that money will be returned to the economy and increase its robustness. 

I believe the debt interest is a real problem and nothing he has done has been his responsibility.

Less than 10% of all US debt is over 20 years maturity.  That is absurd for long term debt and right now, inflation is causing all that short term maturity of debt to be higher in interest, much higher than it should be.  As a country, this debt repayment needs to be over a longer period, which will most decidedly be more expensive in interest over the short term but cause a lighter load on the next generation.

I hear you on Congress, but I (along with many Trump supporters) didn’t give Obama a pass on adding trillions to the debt because of Congress, and I’m certainly not going to give the current President a pass on that either.  Further, this President repeatedly told us about what a “great dealmaker” he was and how he could get Congress (and just about anyone else) to do what he wanted them to.

I believe, given our current fiscal problems, that the corporate tax cut from 35% to 21% (which Trump was apparently enthusiastically supportive) was just a little too much decrease in revenues ($71B so far according to the link in the OP).  That same link noted that the deficit went up 32% ($222B) over the first 11 months of fiscal 2018 (despite good GDP growth).  Of course, it’s likely to “only” be $154B when timing issues are accounted for.  It’s forecast to approach $1T next year and be over a trillion the year after (a Presidential election year)!  I just don’t think this is sustainable or will put us on a path of eliminating the debt by 2025 as the President said that he could.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Concerned on September 12, 2018, 04:38:07 PM
Didn't even try to exercise his authority with the veto pen. Just signed it and whined about it... As if he was powerless to do anything at all... None of us is asking for a "dictatorship", just that he exercise the authority he was granted under the constitution towards what he claimed he was going to do.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 04:39:00 PM
I sincerely wish he hadn't and has said that he would sign no more like it. I strongly disagree with you about it being entirely his fault.

The buck stops at the top.
Whether because of his inability to forge coalitions with congress, or because he agrees with them, it is all the same.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 12, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
It is. It is all debt. On our grandchildren. And great grandchildren.
That's like saying you believe all spending in your household is all the same, whether for essentials like food vs non-essentials like buying a yacht.

The problems in this country are not ALL spending, but for spending on the non-essentials.

If we controlled the non-essentials, we control our deficit.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 04:48:34 PM
Its a bit unfair to blame Trump for the deficits increase what with mandated spending increases not of his doing and the prime rate being .75 higher than it was this time last year.

He is chipping away at the budget as well as driving the effort to get back to regular order in the budget process, not to mention growing GDP significantly with tax & regulatory reforms, all of which will have positive effect on the deficit eventually but theres only so much a president can do in two years.


Correct.  I see most people have no knowledge about finances.  Some high priced items were put in by prior presidents. THOSE  bad contracts have to be honored.  Seen through, then not repeated. Makes sad so many people have no financial or budgeting skills. We had many natural disasters, that required funding. I guess they would rather those people die.
Puerto Rico, let truckloads of food, supplies, go bad, then complained. I could go, for NOT helping them. Good money after bad.

Some say, they don't CARE or want to see, what the expenses are. Where, they came from.   That is, HEAD IN SAND.
They do expect magic. lol.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 04:49:20 PM
That's like saying you believe all spending in your household is all the same, whether for essentials like food vs non-essentials like buying a yacht.

The problems in this country are not ALL spending, but for spending on the non-essentials.

If we controlled the non-essentials, we control our deficit.

Absolutely right!   And most of the budget problems we currently have are the result of actions taken by Lyndon Baines Johnson and a compliant democrat congress after the Kennedy assisanation.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 04:53:33 PM
Increasing deficits were bad and harmful under Obama yet they’re OK when they're done under your cult leader.  The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

You need to change your avatar.  Nothing about truth in this post of yours.  "cult leader "? 
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Concerned on September 12, 2018, 05:05:53 PM
You need to change your avatar.  Nothing about truth in this post of yours.  "cult leader "?

Yes, "cult leader".  I've found that Trump has some kind of Svengali-like affect on certain folks. I know some friends and family members who are Trump supporters who absolutely excuse Trump's deficit spending but were quite vocal in speaking out that it was "bad and harmful" when Obama did it.  They excuse Trump's moral "lapses" but were quite vocal against Clinton's.  Some of these folks, when pressed, even admit they're being hypocritical but justify it because they like so many of Trump's other policies.  And that's a fact AND the absolute truth!!

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 12, 2018, 05:07:10 PM
You need to change your avatar.  Nothing about truth in this post of yours.  "cult leader "?
I found your avatar
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/6e/19/1b/6e191b49dc641bd49a7ccfa7c7e697f5--lord-haw-haw-william-joyce.jpg)
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 05:08:25 PM
Ok, I see your point.

No one promised Rome to be built in a day, and Trump is no different.  My take is he is certainly headed in the correct direction by reducing federal payroll and scaling back immensely government largess authorized by Congress such as Education.  He could certainly do more if a responsible Congress would do its own job in reining in spending.

The deficit is not caused by the govt revenue stream.  That is at a record.

It is caused by spending.  Some long term problems are being addressed such as more Americans at work and off welfare.  Those results will not show up immediately, but with reduced expenditures by corporations on taxes, that money will be returned to the economy and increase its robustness. 

I believe the debt interest is a real problem and nothing he has done has been his responsibility.

Less than 10% of all US debt is over 20 years maturity.  That is absurd for long term debt and right now, inflation is causing all that short term maturity of debt to be higher in interest, much higher than it should be.  As a country, this debt repayment needs to be over a longer period, which will most decidedly be more expensive in interest over the short term but cause a lighter load on the next generation.


I don't see that person's point.  lol. He keeps posting president TRUMP said he would reduce the debt in 8 years.  Then complains at 18 months in.  **nononono*. 

 BTW,,I never heard president TRUMP SAY THAT.  Obama did say, if when half way into his first term, he did not reduce the deficit, he would be a one term president.  We all know the rest of that story.

People are just not in reality with their expectations.  I think, president TRUMP is amazing. There is a list of his accomplishments, but I am not allowed to post them on here. TOO LONG. magapill.com. If people wanted to see some facts, they could google. They don't want to know the good parts, only want to b1tche at president TRUMP, like DEEP STATE wants them to do. That is NOT conservative mind set. RINOS on here, too.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 05:08:28 PM
That's like saying you believe all spending in your household is all the same, whether for essentials like food vs non-essentials like buying a yacht.

It is. It is all debt until your are out of debt, or at least until your debt is able to be covered by sustained management. Joe-six-pack-trailerhouse with two hundred grand in plastic ain't gonna get better until he begins living within his means. And it will hurt, and it will suck.

Quote
The problems in this country are not ALL spending, but for spending on the non-essentials.

If we controlled the non-essentials, we control our deficit.

It ain't happening. And it ain't about  'controlling deficit' - That's minimum payments on the credit card. It's about cutting up the credit card, and living within your means. to include a reasonable payment against the debt.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: edpc on September 12, 2018, 05:18:54 PM
  • They create a drag on the economy by siphoning off investment capital that would otherwise be used to start, grow, and expand businesses.
  • They create a drain on future budgets by adding the expense of bond payoff plus interest.
  • They empower the Democrat Party by providing a means to offer everything without actually having to pay for it.
  • They raise interest rates for consumers who now have to compete with government for loan dollars
  • And with our current policy of monetizing the debt, every American is faced with a new tax (i.e. inflation) that was never passed by Congress, yet steals the value out of every dollar you earn.


That is mumbo jumbo garbage. Interest is almost zero. We are as close to full employment then I can ever remember. Inflation has been going on forever (the Fed actually likes it). The Rats have been offering the moon for generations yet there is a Repub in the WH.


Well, this is head in the sand BS.  Bad policy is bad policy and eventually catches up.  The rampant speculation and wild ride of the stock market was really fun until October 1929.  The sub-prime interest loans increased home ownership, but was a terrible idea for years.  It finally bit us in the ass about a decade ago.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: cato potatoe on September 12, 2018, 05:23:34 PM
Some say, they don't CARE or want to see, what the expenses are. Where, they came from.   That is, HEAD IN SAND.
They do expect magic. lol.

Whatever you wish to blame, something has to be subtracted from the coming budgets, or the debt will continue to spiral.  We'll need defense cuts, entitlement reform, tax hikes, or a combination thereof.  Nondefense discretionary spending is around $610 billion.  Some of that can be eliminated with different leadership.  It certainly won't happen (to any meaningful extent) with Trump in the white house.  Last I checked, he plans to bloat infrastructure spending after the midterms.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 05:34:38 PM
Yes, "cult leader".  I've found that Trump has some kind of Svengali-like affect on certain folks. I know some friends and family members who are Trump supporters who absolutely excuse Trump's deficit spending but were quite vocal in speaking out that it was "bad and harmful" when Obama did it.  They excuse Trump's moral "lapses" but were quite vocal against Clinton's.  Some of these folks, when pressed, even admit they're being hypocritical but justify it because they like so many of Trump's other policies.  And that's a fact AND the absolute truth!!

So PATRIOTS   :patriot:  who are happy, we finally have a president FOR AMERICA & takes NO PAY, are called cultist?  lol

I have found that many MEN are jealous of TRUMP,  so they have to bash him & his accomplishments.  Women bash him, because they could not compete & win his heart, because they are "dogs".  Moral lapses, FROM BEFORE he was president? 

Nothing done, while in the Oval Office. You don't get the difference? I didn't vote for priest, pastor, rabbi or pope.  Why is his private life, before presidency ANY of your concern? He was never a politician. He is not doing anything as president. Lets look at, your past from, 5, 10, 20 years ago.  :rolling: 

 That is what I  find hypocritical about people who want to beat some "moral DRUM."  GOOD JOB,,getting right on the DEEP STATE..band.  Banging your drum.


Thank your family & friends for being smart & supporting president TRUMP....LIKE PATRIOTS. SAVING OUR COUNTRY.  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

LET ME KNOW, WHEN YOU FIND THAT PERFECT PERSON...WHICH DOES NOT EXIST...like you...me. 
I wanted to be a nun as child, & was really pure. I still have very good standards, but when I look back, years ago, I would be cited for "moral lapse ". Time for reality & stop beating up on a normal hetero male.
What must you think of all the prior presidents?  lol. All were saints...right?  Even Eisenhower, was said to have a mistress, while married to Mame. Summersby.  Get off that high horse..it will not ride. KENNEDY'S, CLINTONS, OBAMA, who was a gay, male wh0re for rich white men, to get his cocaine. Mia Pope & Dr. Manning.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 05:37:22 PM
Yet one or more posters on this board believe ALL spending by government is essentially the same.


So as we continue to rack up more debt and print more money, currency devaluation will somehow be able to differentiate between “good spending” and “bad spending?”
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
So PATRIOTS   :patriot:  who are happy, we finally have a president FOR AMERICA & takes NO PAY, are called cultist?  lol

I have found that many MEN are jealous of TRUMP,  so they have to bash him & his accomplishments.  Women bash him, because they could not compete & win his heart, because they are "dogs".  Moral lapses, FROM BEFORE he was president? 

Nothing done, while in the Oval Office. You don't get the difference? I didn't vote for priest, pastor, rabbi or pope.  Why is his private life, before presidency ANY of your concern? He was never a politician. He is not doing anything as president. Lets look at, your past from, 5, 10, 20 years ago.  :rolling: 

 That is what I  find hypocritical about people who want to beat some "moral DRUM."  GOOD JOB,,getting right on the DEEP STATE..band.  Banging your drum.


Thank your family & friends for being smart & supporting president TRUMP....LIKE PATRIOTS. SAVING OUR COUNTRY.  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

LET ME KNOW, WHEN YOU FIND THAT PERFECT PERSON...WHICH DOES NOT EXIST...like you...me. 
I wanted to be a nun as child, & was really pure. I still have very good standards, but when I look back, years ago, I would be cited for "moral lapse ". Time for reality & stop beating up on a normal hetero male.
What must you think of all the prior presidents?  lol. All were saints...right?  Even Eisenhower, was said to have a mistress, while married to Mame. Summersby.  Get off that high horse..it will not ride. KENNEDY'S, CLINTONS, OBAMA, who was a gay, male wh0re for rich white men, to get his cocaine. Mia Pope & Dr. Manning.


 President Trump needs to be held accountable just like every other president.   Yes, it is certainly true that there is a lot of the deficit and debt that Trump can’t do anything about and it takes an act of Congress to fix.  But like others have repeatedly said, he claimed that he would bring down the debt in eight years. Yet he is signing every spending bill that comes across his desk.


 The harsh reality is, this is all going to have to be paid for someday. It seems too many of his supporters want to give him credit for anything good but don’t hold him accountable for things that are not so good. Somehow he gets 100% credit for a fairly decent economy but yet none of the blame for rising debt and deficit.


@Jazzhead  once posted that he believes this issue is the biggest issue facing this country even more so than social issues and I agree with him 100%
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Concerned on September 12, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
So PATRIOTS   :patriot:  who are happy, we finally have a president FOR AMERICA & takes NO PAY, are called cultist?  lol

I have found that many MEN are jealous of TRUMP,  so they have to bash him & his accomplishments.  Women bash him, because they could not compete & win his heart, because they are "dogs".  Moral lapses, FROM BEFORE he was president? 

Nothing done, while in the Oval Office. You don't get the difference? I didn't vote for priest, pastor, rabbi or pope.  Why is his private life, before presidency ANY of your concern? He was never a politician. He is not doing anything as president. Lets look at, your past from, 5, 10, 20 years ago.  :rolling: 

 That is what I  find hypocritical about people who want to beat some "moral DRUM."  GOOD JOB,,getting right on the DEEP STATE..band.  Banging your drum.


Thank your family & friends for being smart & supporting president TRUMP....LIKE PATRIOTS. SAVING OUR COUNTRY.  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

LET ME KNOW, WHEN YOU FIND THAT PERFECT PERSON...WHICH DOES NOT EXIST...like you...me. 
I wanted to be a nun as child, & was really pure. I still have very good standards, but when I look back, years ago, I would be cited for "moral lapse ". Time for reality & stop beating up on a normal hetero male.
What must you think of all the prior presidents?  lol. All were saints...right?  Even Eisenhower, was said to have a mistress, while married to Mame. Summersby.  Get off that high horse..it will not ride. KENNEDY'S, CLINTONS, OBAMA, who was a gay, male wh0re for rich white men, to get his cocaine. Mia Pope & Dr. Manning.

I'm not sure why you feel the need (or even the right) to tell people what avatars they can have or demand that "get off" their "high horse".  I've found this to be an open forum welcoming of folks with differing opinions and even encouraging those differing opinions.  Most people can do it without name calling, person attacks, and demands.  Others, of course, are unable to carry on a reasonable discussion without those things.  I tend to avoid the later.

I'm not sure whether you are implying that I'm jeolous of Trump or not, but I can assure you I am not.  He has many traits that I find completely and utterly reprehensible and disgraceful.  Look, there’s no question that the President has kept some of his promises (e.g., ISIS, deregulation, tax cuts, etc.), and I've praised him on policies that I agree with, but it seems as though many Trump supporters, that I know, have trouble recognizing that he hasn’t kept others (e.g., “lock her up”, repealing and replacing ObamaCare, Mexico paying for the wall, putting us on a path of eliminating debt within 8 years, proposing a Constitutional Amendment on term limits within the first 100 days, etc.). 

I had a Trump supporter friend tell me just last week that Trump has kept every major campaign promise he ever made.  I asked him about signature promises such as “lock her up” and Mexico paying for the wall, and I got silence in return.  It’s almost as though these Trump supporters refuse to see the entire picture with this President – they only want to see the positives and they want to completely ignore any negatives and any broken promises.  This is the type of behavior I expected from those who considered Obama, "The Messiah", but I never thought so many on the Right would treat their guy the same exact way.  That's the point I'm trying to make about "cult leader".  If you can't understand that, I can't say it in a way to get you to understand the point I'm trying to make.  My apologies for not being able to communicate more effectively 

Have a good night.   :seeya:
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 05:58:24 PM

 That is what I  find hypocritical about people who want to beat some "moral DRUM."  GOOD JOB,,getting right on the DEEP STATE..band.  Banging your drum.



Imbecile trolls posting insulting garbage upon the membership here at TBR, are the kinda drums I love to beat.

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 06:08:39 PM
Whatever you wish to blame, something has to be subtracted from the coming budgets, or the debt will continue to spiral.  We'll need defense cuts, entitlement reform, tax hikes, or a combination thereof.  Nondefense discretionary spending is around $610 billion.  Some of that can be eliminated with different leadership.  It certainly won't happen (to any meaningful extent) with Trump in the white house.  Last I checked, he plans to bloat infrastructure spending after the midterms.

Some "expenses' items, are subtracted from the budget. Redundant fed jobs, waste in Gov.  8 YEARS with Obama we NEVER had a budget. Harry Reid, let it all ride. Some never understand it is on CONGRESS.

NO DEFENSE CUTS! That is suicide for our country & Obama did that. Sequester. We were down to 1915 standards in the military. What entitlement reform? List it.What do you want done?  CLINTON took our PAID IN social security, matched by employer, made it part of the  general budget, bingo surplus.Then spent.  Congress left people, who said into S.S. for 40 years, an I.O.U. That has to be returned. Not on president Trump. Entitled medicare=welfare?

Congress is what needs to be changed, not my president! Did you run for president, so you, can do all the things you said? do you realize there are other people in this country that will block those goals?  Same thing, DEMOCRATS, RINOS are doing to President TRUMP.  RINO, traitor McCain who voted "no" on obamcare repeal, after running on that, was the ONE vote, that cost us one trillion dollars.  That was the no vote by McCain...no name. Screwed over the American people.
You don't think that will go on, with anything you laid out, as a plan?  So easy to talk.  Do you have an addiction?  JUST STOP.
DO YOU WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT?. Stop eating. So easy. Are you an alcoholic? Just stop drinking. 
If it all was, only, on president TRUMP, more could be done, but he has to work with...CONGRESS.  He wants something, democrats put in what THEY want. Constant negotiations.

Do you want president TRUMP to be a dictator?  I would like that, but we are a republic, not democracy, either.   

BTW, My president does not smoke, drink any alcohol, nor does illegal drugs!  Very pure.   888high58888
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 06:14:25 PM
Some "expenses' items, are subtracted from the budget. Redundant fed jobs, waste in Gov.  8 YEARS with Obama we NEVER had a budget. Harry Reid, let it all ride. Some never understand it is on CONGRESS.

NO DEFENSE CUTS! That is suicide for our country & Obama did that. Sequester. We were down to 1915 standards in the military. What entitlement reform? List it.What do you want done?  CLINTON took our PAID IN social security, matched by employer, made it part of the  general budget, bingo surplus.Then spent.  Congress left people, who said into S.S. for 40 years, an I.O.U. That has to be returned. Not on president Trump. Entitled medicare=welfare?

Congress is what needs to be changed, not my president! Did you run for president, so you, can do all the things you said? do you realize there are other people in this country that will block those goals?  Same thing, DEMOCRATS, RINOS are doing to President TRUMP.  RINO, traitor McCain who voted "no" on obamcare repeal, after running on that, was the ONE vote, that cost us one trillion dollars.  That was the no vote by McCain...no name. Screwed over the American people.
You don't think that will go on, with anything you laid out, as a plan?  So easy to talk.  Do you have an addiction?  JUST STOP.
DO YOU WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT?. Stop eating. So easy. Are you an alcoholic? Just stop drinking. 
If it all was, only, on president TRUMP, more could be done, but he has to work with...CONGRESS.  He wants something, democrats put in what THEY want. Constant negotiations.

Do you want president TRUMP to be a dictator?  I would like that, but we are a republic, not democracy, either.   

BTW, My president does not smoke, drink any alcohol, nor does illegal drugs!  Very pure.   888high58888


 Your post  is Exhibit A why we will never see cuts until they are forced and more painful.

The reluctance of some to hold Trump accountable at all is mind-boggling. We’re not talking about blaming him for everything that’s bad. But with leadership comes accountability.  If some of us on the right are holding him accountable on this issue, imagine with the left is going to do.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 12, 2018, 06:14:57 PM
Do you want president TRUMP to be a dictator?  I would like that...
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 06:15:25 PM

So as we continue to rack up more debt and print more money, currency devaluation will somehow be able to differentiate between “good spending” and “bad spending?”


Everything you posted is wrong.  18 months in.  I just have to shake my head & people really think they are making some point?  Yes, there is good spending like our military.  maga.com

It takes a while to clean house & re-set priority's. I am thankful I have a president TRUMP, who takes no pay for this ungrateful job, & for people who get right on the DEEP STATE band wagon, is despicable to me.  Talk to me in 4 years, before bad mouthing my president. 
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 06:17:12 PM
Do you want president TRUMP to be a dictator?  I would like that

Of course you would. You have already told us this week that we should all be 'Kissing the ground Trump walks on".

Your fellow Trumpian cultists have already opined long ago that they thought Trump needed to act as Dictator to undo all that Obama had done and to circumvent Congress.

It is why we see you people as no different and just as dangerous to liberty and Constitutional governance as we do the Marxist Democrats.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 06:18:34 PM

Everything you posted is wrong.  18 months in.  I just have to shake my head & people really think they are making some point?  Yes, there is good spending like our military.  maga.com

It takes a while to clean house & re-set priority's. I am thankful I have a president TRUMP, who takes no pay for this ungrateful job, & for people who get right on the DEEP STATE band wagon, is despicable to me.  Talk to me in 4 years, before bad mouthing my president.

 So what you’re saying is as long as we continue to print and borrow for things that you support, It’ll all turn out good? No consequences whatsoever?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 06:23:36 PM
I’m not trying to explain that he’s responsible for interest on past debt, but as the current President he’s responsible for doing something about the current debt especially since he promised that he could.  I think it’s common knowledge that a big part of the debt is due to entitlements and interest.  Our interest obligations will likely get worse as interest rates rise.  This is precisely why I believe we need entitlement reform and why we need to attack the debt and deficit NOW while Republicans control both the Congress and the Presidency, but unfortunately, we’re adding to it under this supposed "conservative" President.

Look, I’m not the one who said I could eliminate the debt within 8 years.  I thought it was just more gibberish from this guy, but he’s the one who set that expectation just as he set the expectation that he was going to “lock her up” that Mexico was going to pay for the wall that he was going to propose a Constitutional Amendment for term limits, that North Korea “is no longer a nuclear threat” that “The GDP Rate (4.2%) is higher than the Unemployment Rate (3.9%) for the first time in over 100 years!"  This guy has done some great things (especially economically), but unfortunately, he insists on stepping on his own message with broken promises (like this one on the debt), and by lies, falsehoods, and exaggerations (like his recent tweet about 100 years)…………..all unnecessarily IMO. 

Trump supporters seem to love to talk about how he keeps his promises and how conservative he is.  My point is that he hasn’t kept a bunch of promises and by adding trillions to the debt as he’s doing, he’s certainly not fiscally conservative.  I think he and the Republican Congress are blowing a huge opportunity to do something about our debt.  That’s my point and that's what's whacky to me (especially since he promised he could).

 What are you missing?  President TRUMP, has ALWAYS SAID..implementing his polices with CONGRESS HELP & working within the constitution.  He is not a dictator, as some of you like to post.  He has kept all of his promises.  If you want things improved,  VOTE REPUBLICAN down the line in NOV. so all the DEMOCRATS & rinos, who are currently blocking his agenda, can be removed.  Don't complain about my president...give him the congress he needs.  Why is that so hard to understand?  ONE man, then congress working against him.   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: GrouchoTex on September 12, 2018, 06:24:27 PM


Helluva note, that is.
Wow.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 12, 2018, 06:29:41 PM
Helluva note, that is.
Wow.
IKR?  What can be a worthy response?  I hope it's quick when you are rounded up because your fat mouth couldn't cash a change of opinion?  Fascism's just another word for nothing left to lose?   
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: corbe on September 12, 2018, 06:31:09 PM
What are you missing?  President TRUMP, has ALWAYS SAID..implementing his polices with CONGRESS HELP & working within the constitution.  He is not a dictator, as some of you like to post.  He has kept all of his promises.  If you want things improved,  VOTE REPUBLICAN down the line in NOV. so all the DEMOCRATS & rinos, who are currently blocking his agenda, can be removed.  Don't complain about my president...give him the congress he needs.  Why is that so hard to understand?  ONE man, then congress working against him.   *****rollingeyes*****

@LegalAmerican

Donald Trump at Convention: Nobody Knows The System Better Than Me. Which Is Why I Alone Can Fix It.


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Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 06:33:30 PM
@LegalAmerican

Donald Trump at Convention: Nobody Knows The System Better Than Me. Which Is Why I Alone Can Fix It.


! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsx2IyhGlow#)

@corbe

Ouch....lol

The responses to that should be interesting
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: cato potatoe on September 12, 2018, 06:40:49 PM
Some "expenses' items, are subtracted from the budget. Redundant fed jobs, waste in Gov.  8 YEARS with Obama we NEVER had a budget. Harry Reid, let it all ride. Some never understand it is on CONGRESS.

NO DEFENSE CUTS! That is suicide for our country & Obama did that. Sequester. We were down to 1915 standards in the military. What entitlement reform? List it.What do you want done?  CLINTON took our PAID IN social security, matched by employer, made it part of the  general budget, bingo surplus.Then spent.  Congress left people, who said into S.S. for 40 years, an I.O.U. That has to be returned. Not on president Trump. Entitled medicare=welfare?]

It would be much easier to list programs I would NOT want cut or eliminated entirely. 

1915 standards?  Get a grip.  Romney tried scare tactics the third debate, and Obama predictably handed his ass to him.  35% of the world's military spending happens in the United States.  Fact of the matter is the DOD will have to be trimmed, either when the consequences can be managed, or in the middle of debt crisis.

You should have asked Trump how he planned to pay down the debt before you hired him.  Even a cursory glance at his proposals would have raised doubts.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 06:41:46 PM


Quote from: Free Vulcan on Today at 03:45:39 PM
This is my main knock against Trump, that he signed the last porkulus bill.

That said, where do I put the blame? Trump for sure, but as as a conservative who believes in Separate But Equal government, half that blame falls on Ryan, McConnell, and Congress.

They had total control as to the details of that spending monster of a bill, and they sent it up to Pennsylvania Ave anyway.
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President was pushed in a corner, by congress!  He wanted the money for our military! For that, he had to sign the PORK BILL.
Who says that PORK can't be removed later, with new REPUBLICANS in office ,after NOV. 2018;  Things change all the time.

When people aren't planning to K1ll my president, he has to contend with uniformed people all the time. It was on congress. President TRUMP realized his mistake...new to politics & treacherous  DEMONCRATS & rhinos.  Who can he trust?  It seems very little, with SOROS controlled, paid off congress.








Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 06:47:28 PM

Quote from: Free Vulcan on Today at 03:45:39 PM
This is my main knock against Trump, that he signed the last porkulus bill.

That said, where do I put the blame? Trump for sure, but as as a conservative who believes in Separate But Equal government, half that blame falls on Ryan, McConnell, and Congress.

They had total control as to the details of that spending monster of a bill, and they sent it up to Pennsylvania Ave anyway.
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President was pushed in a corner, by congress!  He wanted the money for our military! For that, he had to sign the PORK BILL.
Who says that PORK can't be removed later, with new REPUBLICANS in office ,after NOV. 2018;  Things change all the time.

When people aren't planning to K1ll my president, he has to contend with uniformed people all the time. It was on congress. President TRUMP realized his mistake...new to politics & treacherous  DEMONCRATS & rhinos.  Who can he trust?  It seems very little, with SOROS controlled, paid off congress.




If Trump vetoed the spending bills but Congress overrode his veto, I would give him credit for at least trying. But whether you like to hear it or not, he signed them. Nobody forced him. Nobody fooled him. He took his tiny little hand with pen and signed them. Now another generation gets to pay for it. As conservatives, we will hold him then responsible and accountable just like we will Ryan and McConnell etc. etc.

So, assuming he serves eight years, two terms, and another 9 to 10 trillion is added to the debt, will he be at least partially to blame at least or will he be just an innocent bystander? Or does he get to be a victim?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 06:57:25 PM

 Your post  is Exhibit A why we will never see cuts until they are forced and more painful.

The reluctance of some to hold Trump accountable at all is mind-boggling. We’re not talking about blaming him for everything that’s bad. But with leadership comes accountability.  If some of us on the right are holding him accountable on this issue, imagine with the left is going to do.


What are you talking about?  We HAVE tax cuts starting in Jan 2018.  What I find boggling is people thinking president TRUMP can act like a dictator!  Talk to congress & McCain for, one trillion expense to citizens, by McCain voting "NO' on  Obmancare repeal, just to be the azz & traitor that he always has been to Americans. I hold CONGRESS accountable. .  They block my presidents policy's. If you can't see that, then it is a lost cause talking to you.

 We are a REPUBLIC..not dictatorship.
You want better results?  Vote republican down the line, to remove democrats & rinos, who block president TRUMP. 

Then president TRUMP can re-work some of that PORK. He wanted our military taken care of NOW.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: edpc on September 12, 2018, 07:00:19 PM
President was pushed in a corner, by congress!  He wanted the money for our military! For that, he had to sign the PORK BILL.
Who says that PORK can't be removed later, with new REPUBLICANS in office ,after NOV. 2018;  Things change all the time.

When people aren't planning to K1ll my president, he has to contend with uniformed people all the time. It was on congress. President TRUMP realized his mistake...new to politics & treacherous  DEMONCRATS & rhinos.  Who can he trust?  It seems very little, with SOROS controlled, paid off congress.


Complete BS.  He had already signed the defense bill in Dec 2017.  The process for putting everything together in an omnibus took a lot of time and the WH legislative team was involved in every decision.  There were no surprises when this monstrosity was signed.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 07:05:12 PM
It seems that @LegalAmerican is not  reading fully anyone’s posts and is just lashing out at people who have an honest criticism of the president on this issue


The big plus that I do see here  there are plenty of posters who are holding the president and the Republicans accountable on this issue.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
Correctamundo.

The fact is that the Republican Party is as diabolically addicted to spending our money borrowed from our kids and grandkids' futures - as the Democrats are if not moreso.

But... the fact is Trump signed it.  And has pledged to sign more Billions in deficit spending bills - without so much as a single dime reducing the size and scope of Government.

Planned Parenthood funding anyone?

The buck has to stop somewhere and Trump made it plain that it doesn't stop with him.

So off to printing up more money out of thin air goes our treasury while welfare for everything from abortions to zoos continues unabated.

And no one gives a shit as long as their wallets get fat - even when they are consigning their own posterity to ruin and starvation in the future.


Wrong. Democrats have always been the spenders. Republicans have not been in charge for 70 years. 63+ years of democrats spending us into the ground. You have it backwards. C.R.A. =Housing bubble under Clinton, then Obama forced the banks into doing it..again! Everything you posted is wrong. PP? CONGRESS wanted that. PP is not just about abortions, but I am not sure, where we stand on that, now. Every time president TRUMP wants to remove funding for PP or PBS=Big bird, the democrats go nuts calling him a "k!ller". Are you a democrat?  Not seeing any republican thinking in your post.

What you posted is all OLD left talking points. Democrats are the wealthiest in congress, not republicans. Google,* failed liberal ideas*, from all the democrats.

You think with the massive mess, democrats have created on our country for DECADES..it will be fixed in 18 months? 

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
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Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 07:20:04 PM
Is he? He is doing a better job then Reagan turning the economy around.

There is no comparing the economy that Reagan inherited versus the one Trump did

I was a young adult in 1980. I remember it very well
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 07:21:25 PM

Wrong. Democrats have always been the spenders. Republicans have not been in charge for 70 years. 63+ years of democrats spending us into the ground. You have it backwards. C.R.A. =Housing bubble under Clinton, then Obama forced the banks into doing it..again! Everything you posted is wrong. PP? CONGRESS wanted that. PP is not just about abortions, but I am not sure, where we stand on that, now. Every time president TRUMP wants to remove funding for PP or PBS=Big bird, the democrats go nuts calling him a "k!ller". Are you a democrat?  Not seeing any republican thinking in your post.

What you posted is all OLD left talking points. Democrats are the wealthiest in congress, not republicans. Google,* failed liberal ideas*, from all the democrats.

You think with the massive mess, democrats have created on our country for DECADES..it will be fixed in 18 months?

Democrats controlled congress for only two of Obama's eight years in office. Yet Republicans don't have any responsibility for Obama's massive spending you say...

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 07:24:52 PM
There is no comparing the economy that Reagan inherited versus the one Trump did

I was a young adult in 1980. I remember it very well

What? Interest rates weren't pushing 20% when Trump took office???

Oh, that's right, they were practically zero in historical terms when he took office... Parallels? What parallels...

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 12, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
not disagreeing that was the wrong thing to do.

My comment is that Congress can always over-ride Executive's pen anyway, which I wish Trump would have caused to happen.

And that's the rub. So Trump raises tariffs, and everyone screams that it will sink the markets and ruin the economy.

Yet if Trump doesn't sign a bill to fund the govt, what do people think will happen? Yes, you can veto and force an override, but then we really gotta deal with the Dems.

And what do people think we'll get then to get those 67 votes (and whatever it is in the House)?

Sign or don't sign, Trump has little control over the finished product. He can't create and pass a budget all by himself.

He also has a ticking clock and a gun to his head.

So I give him half the blame. But only half.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 07:37:29 PM
What? Interest rates weren't pushing 20% when Trump took office???

Oh, that's right, they were practically zero in historical terms when he took office... Parallels? What parallels...

 Not to mention inflation and other economic indicators from 1980 compared to 2016.


I have a hunch that many of the posters who are running to Trump’s defense on this issue were fit to be tied and blamed Obama when the debt reached > 100% of GDP under his tenure
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 07:46:24 PM
And that's the rub. So Trump raises tariffs, and everyone screams that it will sink the markets and ruin the economy.

Yet if Trump doesn't sign a bill to fund the govt, what do people think will happen? Yes, you can veto and force an override, but then we really gotta deal with the Dems.

And what do people think we'll get then to get those 67 votes (and whatever it is in the House)?

Sign or don't sign, Trump has little control over the finished product. He can't create and pass a budget all by himself.

He also has a ticking clock and a gun to his head.

So I give him half the blame. But only half.


Yes.  Well said.

( I see common sense on here means nothing to most on here! Not talking about you)

Did you read how CONGRESS, all of them...will go on strike & not support TRUMP on anything, if he try's to get rid of Sessions? His hands are tied by so many in congress. Then muslim Judges, sue TRUMP for wanting a TEMP ban on islamist's going into USA. The same one's obama used.  People have no idea.  I can't blame TRUMP, at all.

RINO L. Graham,  said TRUMP will have hell to pay if he gets rid of Sessions. It will be the end of his presidency.
How can he work with congress? 
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 07:47:16 PM
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Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 07:54:13 PM
People can google themselves. Congress plans to save their hide, over Americans & mutiny, If TRUMP wants to remove dead wood.
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Lindsey Graham says "there will be holy hell to pay" if President Donald Trump fires Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
He also says that removing special counsel Robert Mueller without good reason would be "the beginning of the end" of Trump's presidency.
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Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
My bet is auto financing will be the next one to pop.


Not to mention the student loan issue.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 08:04:59 PM
@corbe

Ouch....lol

The responses to that should be interesting


He is still correct.  What happened to the,  rest of the speech?  Taking out of context, means nothing.  He has ALWAYS said working with congress & within the constitution.  Man, this is NOT a conservative site.  He, as LONE PRESIDENT can fix it. He is. Just not quick enough for some.  I don't see republicans posting.

So, he underestimated the size of the swamp.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 12, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
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n Barack Obama’s last 16 months in office, the number of jobs in the US increased by 2.4%. In the first 16 months of Trump’s administration, jobs rose by 2.1%,  Trumps job approval is not 50% even in delusions.
Drugs.  Sad.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 08:06:21 PM
And that's the rub. So Trump raises tariffs, and everyone screams that it will sink the markets and ruin the economy.

Yet if Trump doesn't sign a bill to fund the govt, what do people think will happen? Yes, you can veto and force an override, but then we really gotta deal with the Dems.

And what do people think we'll get then to get those 67 votes (and whatever it is in the House)?

Sign or don't sign, Trump has little control over the finished product. He can't create and pass a budget all by himself.

He also has a ticking clock and a gun to his head.

So I give him half the blame. But only half.

Dem's got everything they wanted in the last spending spree. Hard to imagine how it could have been worse had he vetoed it.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: corbe on September 12, 2018, 08:06:51 PM
    It's not a Republican Site, cupcake.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 12, 2018, 08:16:43 PM
Dem's got everything they wanted in the last spending spree. Hard to imagine how it could have been worse had he vetoed it.

You obviously don't know the Dems.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 08:49:12 PM

He is still correct.  What happened to the,  rest of the speech?  Taking out of context, means nothing.  He has ALWAYS said working with congress & within the constitution.  Man, this is NOT a conservative site.  He, as LONE PRESIDENT can fix it. He is. Just not quick enough for some.  I don't see republicans posting.

So, he underestimated the size of the swamp.

He was correct in that video @corbe posted but taken out of context? Huh?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: corbe on September 12, 2018, 09:04:29 PM
   When in doubt always go with 'Out of Context' first, If that doesn't work try 'Whataboutism' if that too fails to woo the crowd, Log Off.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 09:17:30 PM
It would be much easier to list programs I would NOT want cut or eliminated entirely. 

1915 standards?  Get a grip.  Romney tried scare tactics the third debate, and Obama predictably handed his ass to him.  35% of the world's military spending happens in the United States.  Fact of the matter is the DOD will have to be trimmed, either when the consequences can be managed, or in the middle of debt crisis.

You should have asked Trump how he planned to pay down the debt before you hired him.  Even a cursory glance at his proposals would have raised doubts.

That information came from some general or admiral. Yes our military is working with old, rusted out parts, and they had to use parts from other planes, ships to fix the present ones. I am completely griped.  Military spending set up by other presidents & those country's not paying their bill to USA, Trump changed that.
If you ever did research, you would know the truth. Right now, you are not informed. Obama cut military spending ON OUR MILITARY.  So frustrating how people have no info, but post. Romney was correct, obama was not.

You need to research. I did spend some time & found the below, for you to POO POO. OBAMA'S SEQUESTRATION MILITARY CUTS. Heritage foundation.  I found L. Graham saying something similar, but he received that info, from high ranking military person. You know, I can't spoon feed adults on here.
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Do we have the smallest Navy since 1917?

A popular talking point about the United States having the "smallest Navy" in almost a century emerged in the 2012 presidential campaign and has seen new life this cycle.

"I'm going to rebuild our military," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on June 4, 2015. "We're on a course to have the smallest army since 1940, the smallest Navy since 1915." 

The literal accuracy of the claim has changed recently and from year to year. In 1916, the U.S. Navy had 245 active ships. The number peaked at a massive 6,768 ships during World War II. Then the number drifted down during most of the 20th century, with slight upticks during the Korean War and the Vietnam War.

As of Dec. 9, 2015, the number of active ships stood at 272, which is the lowest since 1916.

PolitiFact Sheet: Military spending under Obama and Congress
Republican candidates have portrayed the country's military spending as woefully inadequate under the Obama administration. They say the cuts, many made as part of the funny-sounding word ...

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Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 09:24:39 PM
That information came from some general or admiral. Yes our military is working with old, rusted out parts, and they had to use parts from other planes, ships to fix the present ones. I am completely griped.  Military spending set up by other presidents & those country's not paying their bill to USA, Trump changed that.
If you ever did research, you would know the truth. Right now, you are not informed. Obama cut military spending ON OUR MILITARY.  So frustrating how people have no info, but post. Romney was correct, obama was not.

The best way to get more spending is to ramp up the fear factor.  A military man tells you we need more military spending and you believe him without question. You gleefully tell everybody else they’re wrong and not informed and when they give information that backs  their case up, you dismiss it and tell them that their source of information is part of a deep state conspiracy

I know you will not believe  this,  but military spending is the largest chunk of discretionary spending. It, like entitlements and welfare, is at some point going to have to be cut. People are not going to like to hear this, which is why Congress likes to avoid the issue. But you cannot defeat math or economics simply because you like a particular program
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: corbe on September 12, 2018, 09:34:38 PM
   @LegalAmerican

    It is clearly 'My Problem' that unlike all other Briefers, I allow your posts to bother the $hit out of me. 
    But unlike you I refuse to cop out and put you on my empty Ignore list. 
    What doesn't kill us only makes us stronger.


    Besides your not worth a Time-Out, now @Right_in_Virginia she's worth a time-out. :smokin:
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 09:53:42 PM
The best way to get more spending is to ramp up the fear factor.  A military man tells you we need more military spending and you believe him without question. You gleefully tell everybody else they’re wrong and not informed and when they give information that backs  their case up, you dismiss it and tell them that their source of information is part of a deep state conspiracy

I know you will not believe  this,  but military spending is the largest chunk of discretionary spending. It, like entitlements and welfare, is at some point going to have to be cut. People are not going to like to hear this, which is why Congress likes to avoid the issue. But you cannot defeat math or economics simply because you like a particular program

Wrong. Read the post above. I can't spoon feed all adults on here. I think congress salary needs to be CUT. Not paid in SOCIAL SECURITY, income to Gov., or PAID IN medicare monthly premiums by seniors. Lets cut, WELFARE.   :seeya:
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PolitiFact Sheet: Military spending under Obama and Congress

Republican candidates have portrayed the country's military spending as woefully inadequate under the Obama administration. They say the cuts, many made as part of the funny-sounding word ...

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Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 09:59:52 PM

Wrong. Democrats have always been the spenders.

Facts prove that supposition to be utter bullshit.

A Republican-controlled Hose, Senate and Executive just spent more money in deficit spending in the last two years than the Democrats did when they controlled the show.

So - you are as always - full of troll shit.

The Republicans are every-bit Statist and Collectivist as the democrats.  The only difference is in whom their constituents are that they hand our wealth, liberty and property to.

Not seeing any republican thinking in your post.

Because I am NOT a Republican.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 10:04:04 PM
Wrong. Read the post above. I can't spoon feed all adults on here. I think congress salary needs to be CUT. Not paid in SOCIAL SECURITY, income to Gov., or PAID IN medicare monthly premiums by seniors. Lets cut, WELFARE.   :seeya:
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PolitiFact Sheet: Military spending under Obama and Congress

Republican candidates have portrayed the country's military spending as woefully inadequate under the Obama administration. They say the cuts, many made as part of the funny-sounding word ...

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But you have told us in the past that fact checking sites are part of a left-wing conspiracy??? Guess as long as the “facts” support your politics, then they are to be trusted.

Again, military spending will have to face the same cuts as every other spending, if at least for optics. How do you think that will fly with the public if there are cuts in SS and Medicare but the Pentagon gets an increase? Judging from your post, it’s obvious you have no idea what Medicare and Social Security nor any concept of what’s called unfunded liabilities
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: DB on September 12, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
You obviously don't know the Dems.

You are defeated even before you try... Can't veto a spending spree because if you do you risk them spending even more... And that makes some sort of sense to you...
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 10:12:37 PM
You are defeated even before you try... Can't veto a spending spree because if you do you risk them spending even more... And that makes some sort of sense to you...

Trump could’ve vetoed  these spending bills, which would probably be overridden by Congress, and then he could’ve gone out and made Congress’s spending an issue. Instead he signs them, and then later laments signing them after they’ve passed
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 12, 2018, 10:24:41 PM
You are defeated even before you try... Can't veto a spending spree because if you do you risk them spending even more... And that makes some sort of sense to you...

That's what happens when you have a narrow majority and quisling Congressional leaders.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 10:27:06 PM
None of this is good nor should be defended because one voted for Trump. This is the second time in our history our debt to GDP ratio is over 100%.  The first time it was because of a world war.  Nobody lived long enough to collect Social Security and Medicare didn’t exist at the time along with fact that many parts of the rest of the world’s  infrastructure was destroyed and it took years to recover from the destruction of World War 2 and our infrastructure went unscathed. The circumstances today are much more difficult which means that the choices that a Congress and a president will have to make are going to be unpopular, painful, but necessary

I understand emotional attachments and the need to defend someone that one voted for but I’m not holding Trump or the Republicans to any different standard than I would hold Democrats or held Obama to. And I am fairly confident that applies to others that have posted on this subject
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 13, 2018, 07:28:09 AM
Yes, "cult leader".  I've found that Trump has some kind of Svengali-like affect on certain folks. I know some friends and family members who are Trump supporters who absolutely excuse Trump's deficit spending but were quite vocal in speaking out that it was "bad and harmful" when Obama did it.  They excuse Trump's moral "lapses" but were quite vocal against Clinton's.  Some of these folks, when pressed, even admit they're being hypocritical but justify it because they like so many of Trump's other policies.  And that's a fact AND the absolute truth!!

What your seeing is a form of tribalism. We are instinctively tribal. When the “other” tribe increases the debt and deficits....bad. When “my” tribe does it, well, as you see some post such here, it’s for “good” spending. Back during the days of the campaign, some of the things that Trump supporters were saying would bring howls if a Democrat said them(Trump would have to go above the Constitution to “fix” the country). Also, when people have their emotions invested in someone or something, it’s hard for them to be objective. It’s a reality of our nature.


But the dollar, math, and economics are not tribal.  They don’t care about political attachments. The effects of thinking you can defeat math are the same regardless of political party. So, regardless if you think Trump deficits are “good spending” and Obama deficits are “bad spending,” the results of thinking you can defy economics will be the same
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 13, 2018, 08:36:43 AM
Facts prove that supposition to be utter bullshit.

A Republican-controlled Hose, Senate and Executive just spent more money in deficit spending in the last two years than the Democrats did when they controlled the show.



@INVAR

Yeah but the GOP and Trump are “good spending”   :silly:
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Axeslinger on September 13, 2018, 08:42:28 AM
Man, this is NOT a conservative site.

@LegalAmerican

By all means, please feel free to leave...and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.  Personally I’m sick to death of your illiterate condescension.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: GrouchoTex on September 13, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
IKR?  What can be a worthy response?  I hope it's quick when you are rounded up because your fat mouth couldn't cash a change of opinion?  Fascism's just another word for nothing left to lose?

I am not sure I understand your response.
I was agreeing with you that it was quite telling that the person you quoted actually said that, and that it is a startling thing to say.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Concerned on September 13, 2018, 09:51:26 AM
What your seeing is a form of tribalism. We are instinctively tribal. When the “other” tribe increases the debt and deficits....bad. When “my” tribe does it, well, as you see some post such here, it’s for “good” spending. Back during the days of the campaign, some of the things that Trump supporters were saying would bring howls if a Democrat said them(Trump would have to go above the Constitution to “fix” the country). Also, when people have their emotions invested in someone or something, it’s hard for them to be objective. It’s a reality of our nature.


But the dollar, math, and economics are not tribal.  They don’t care about political attachments. The effects of thinking you can defeat math are the same regardless of political party. So, regardless if you think Trump deficits are “good spending” and Obama deficits are “bad spending,” the results of thinking you can defy economics will be the same

 :amen:

Call it tribalism, cult-like, or simply hypocritical.  You are absolutely correct on the math and economics of the situation though.  We saw record borrowing earlier this year as annual deficits head towards record levels.  We're fastly approaching $1T a year in deficits and are forecast to get there before the next Presidential election.  Can you imagine the absolute outrage from many of these Trump supporters if a Democratic President were racking up this amount of debt?

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The Treasury Department says that the government borrowed a record $488 billion in the January-March quarter, but it expects borrowing needs will decline sharply for the current April-June quarter.

Treasury says that actual borrowing in the first quarter exceeded the old record of $483 billion set in the first quarter of 2010, a period when the country was struggling to pull out of a deep recession and prop up the financial system following the 2008 financial crisis.

For the current quarter, Treasury announces it expects it will only need to borrow $75 billion but that the borrowing needs will rise again in the July-September quarter to $273 billion. Treasury is facing the need to finance government operations at a time when annual deficits are heading to record levels.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/30/us-treasury-says-q1-borrowing-set-record-488-billion.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/30/us-treasury-says-q1-borrowing-set-record-488-billion.html)
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 13, 2018, 01:11:44 PM
I am not sure I understand your response.
I was agreeing with you that it was quite telling that the person you quoted actually said that, and that it is a startling thing to say.

@GrouchoTex
Sorry my reply was vague.  But essentially I was saying dictators "get stuff done" when you like what they are doing, but they kill you when you speak up about the stuff you don't like.  Be careful what you wish for @LegalAmerican .
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: GrouchoTex on September 13, 2018, 01:36:49 PM
@GrouchoTex
Sorry my reply was vague.  But essentially I was saying dictators "get stuff done" when you like what they are doing, but they kill you when you speak up about the stuff you don't like.  Be careful what you wish for @LegalAmerican .

We are on the same page.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: edpc on September 13, 2018, 02:58:46 PM

He is still correct.  What happened to the,  rest of the speech?  Taking out of context, means nothing.  He has ALWAYS said working with congress & within the constitution.  Man, this is NOT a conservative site.  He, as LONE PRESIDENT can fix it. He is. Just not quick enough for some.  I don't see republicans posting.

So, he underestimated the size of the swamp.


You don’t think it’s conservative enough, because not everyone posts a tiresome screed every time, like you do.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 13, 2018, 06:13:50 PM

So as we continue to rack up more debt and print more money, currency devaluation will somehow be able to differentiate between “good spending” and “bad spending?”
Bad spending is Bad spending.

What part of Bad spending do you not understand?

Sure it adds to debt.  So does good spending.

Tell me please which you wish to cut out, the good or the bad?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 13, 2018, 06:21:15 PM
@LegalAmerican

Donald Trump at Convention: Nobody Knows The System Better Than Me. Which Is Why I Alone Can Fix It.


! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsx2IyhGlow#)
I think he is correct.

He alone of the candidates for President had the acumen to work with Congress to fix it. 

Did you attempt to imply he was a dictator that is solely responsible for enacting law?

If not, what are you suggesting?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 13, 2018, 06:40:14 PM



If Trump vetoed the spending bills but Congress overrode his veto, I would give him credit for at least trying. But whether you like to hear it or not, he signed them. Nobody forced him. Nobody fooled him. He took his tiny little hand with pen and signed them. Now another generation gets to pay for it. As conservatives, we will hold him then responsible and accountable just like we will Ryan and McConnell etc. etc.

So, assuming he serves eight years, two terms, and another 9 to 10 trillion is added to the debt, will he be at least partially to blame at least or will he be just an innocent bystander? Or does he get to be a victim?
Of course he is partially to blame for adding to debt by not fighting harder to control porkulus.  A veto would have been the strongest signal and for whatever reason it didn't happen.  Do you know why it didn't happen?  Perhaps it was due to something totally lost on most of us.

The point is some posters on this thread believe him to be TOTALLY responsible for a deficit and have declared failure after only two years.

My entire career was based upon seeking long-term solutions which at times require short-term pain, such as taking away profits in order to spend capital.

He has a long-term outlook beneficial to this country that is obvious to most but is lost on too many. 

An example is his decisions to support reduced income taxes.  That is a welcome event for Americans and unfortunately adds for the short-term to a deficit.  However, the deficit is not due to a reduced revenue as much as it is due to too much spending.

That outlook strengthens the country economically and militarily, and exhibits awesome displays of much-needed reminders of patriotism.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 13, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
Bad spending is Bad spending.

What part of Bad spending do you not understand?

Sure it adds to debt.  So does good spending.

Tell me please which you wish to cut out, the good or the bad?

When your credit cards are maxed out and you are flat broke, are you able to buy anything, good or bad?  Does it matter when you are broke and in debt with a debt you, your children, your grandchildren and your great great grandchildren have no mathematical hope of paying?

Of course you and I cannot print money out of thin air.  And once the laws of economics asserts itself - no amount printed is going to stave the consequences.

So enjoy the party while it lasts.

I hope and pray this generation lives to see the full harvest of what they have sown, and not escape what they have done without suffering along with their posterity.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on September 13, 2018, 06:57:11 PM
When your credit cards are maxed out and you are flat broke, are you able to buy anything, good or bad?  Does it matter when you are broke and in debt with a debt you, your children, your grandchildren and your great great grandchildren have no mathematical hope of paying?

Of course you and I cannot print money out of thin air.  And once the laws of economics asserts itself - no amount printed is going to stave the consequences.

So enjoy the party while it lasts.

I hope and pray this generation lives to see the full harvest of what they have sown, and not escape what they have done without suffering along with their posterity.
That is such a nonsensical statement as it relates to good vs bad spending.

Try once again to attempt a reply that makes sense.

Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 13, 2018, 07:02:44 PM
That is such a nonsensical statement as it relates to good vs bad spending.

Try once again to attempt a reply that makes sense.

Nonsensical is it?

Can you just walk into a store and buy whatever you think you want/need with credit cards that are a hundred times over their limit?

It doesn't matter if what you want to buy are necessities and "good" or frivolous trinkets "Bad" when you are broke and your credit is over it's limit and you have no ability to pay it back.

Clear it up any for you?  Or do you get your money from a tree that grows in your yard?
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 13, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
Lol....

It never changes. Just the party labels. The same arguments that some are making here to defend the deficits under a GOP Congress and president are the exact same arguments I heard from BHO supporters

I also heard the "good" spending verses "Bad" spending arguments from them. And that is why Congress is not only reluctant to make real cuts but actually keep up the unsustainable spending
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: corbe on September 13, 2018, 08:14:01 PM
   My sole implication @InHeavenThereIsNoBeer was that Trump makes as ridiculous statements, at times, than @LegalAmerican  does.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 13, 2018, 08:56:23 PM
Lol....

It never changes. Just the party labels. The same arguments that some are making here to defend the deficits under a GOP Congress and president are the exact same arguments I heard from BHO supporters


AND exactly the same arguments as from Dubya's defenders... SOSDD ... Kick the can.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Once-Ler on September 13, 2018, 10:43:39 PM
Nonsensical is it?

Can you just walk into a store and buy whatever you think you want/need with credit cards that are a hundred times over their limit?

It doesn't matter if what you want to buy are necessities and "good" or frivolous trinkets "Bad" when you are broke and your credit is over it's limit and you have no ability to pay it back.

Clear it up any for you?  Or do you get your money from a tree that grows in your yard?

Trump will print the new money. 
Lots of it.
America!!!
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 14, 2018, 09:11:39 AM
AND exactly the same arguments as from Dubya's defenders... SOSDD ... Kick the can.

I have relatives that voted for Barack Obama and excused the trillion dollar deficit under Pelosi, Reid, and Obama Because Obama was” going to spend the money on the American people and not in wars and his cronies like Bush did”

 
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 02:19:31 PM
I have relatives that voted for Barack Obama and excused the trillion dollar deficit under Pelosi, Reid, and Obama Because Obama was” going to spend the money on the American people and not in wars and his cronies like Bush did”

 

And the same with Bush's defenders. He printed more money than all the dollars ever printed to that date - What more do you need to know? That so damnnably eclipses anything and everything else he did... But his defenders won't even look at it.

I don't get how folks get that way... That they can't see.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 14, 2018, 02:31:42 PM
And the same with Bush's defenders. He printed more money than all the dollars ever printed to that date - What more do you need to know? That so damnnably eclipses anything and everything else he did... But his defenders won't even look at it.

I don't get how folks get that way... That they can't see.

People will always gravitate towards demanding a king and as long as he is their king, they will defend him no matter what.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
People will always gravitate towards demanding a king and as long as he is their king, they will defend him no matter what.

I have said it before... They are under some sort of glamour.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: INVAR on September 14, 2018, 02:51:57 PM
I have said it before... They are under some sort of glamour.

"And with all deceit of unrighteousness in them that will perish; because they accepted not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie: That they all might be condemned who rejected the truth, and had pleasure in unrighteousness." - 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: LMAO on September 14, 2018, 03:05:35 PM
And the same with Bush's defenders. He printed more money than all the dollars ever printed to that date - What more do you need to know? That so damnnably eclipses anything and everything else he did... But his defenders won't even look at it.

I don't get how folks get that way... That they can't see.


Fortunately, there are plenty of posters here who are not letting Trump or the GOP slide on this. And although some posters got a little defensive, I am not holding Donald Trump or the GOP Congress to an impossibly high standard that I would not hold any Democrat president or Congress to.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 04:01:36 PM

Fortunately, there are plenty of posters here who are not letting Trump or the GOP slide on this. And although some posters got a little defensive, I am not holding Donald Trump or the GOP Congress to an impossibly high standard that I would not hold any Democrat president or Congress to.

And neither am I. Good for the goose, and all that...
I would prefer a Conservative standard... But any standard at all would be a place to start.
Title: Re: Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B
Post by: Suppressed on September 16, 2018, 09:30:05 AM
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"Honey, guess what... Our finances are so good, I had to take out another loan!"