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Title: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: mystery-ak on January 12, 2021, 10:02:24 AM
Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
By Bonchie | Jan 11, 2021 10:30 PM ET


Sometimes a take so bad comes across the wire that it’s worth using as a jumping off point for a bigger thought. That happened today in the form of an editorial put out by the Washington Examiner. In it, Tiana Lowe explains that Kevin McCarthy should be booted as House minority leader, not to be replaced with a more effective figure that Republican voters can get behind, but to be pave the way for Liz Cheney.

Yes, there are apparently people still out there that believe Liz Cheney represents the future of the party.

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https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/01/11/if-you-think-liz-cheney-is-the-future-youve-learned-absolutely-nothing-n308436
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: cato potatoe on January 12, 2021, 10:17:07 AM
There is nothing wrong with incorporating the populist, America-first elements.  In fact this will be necessary for building a coalition in the midwest.  Main problem with Trump is a near total absence of discipline or tactfulness.  In the end, his lack of political skills more than offset his appeal to the Reagan Democrats. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
There is nothing wrong with incorporating the populist, America-first elements.  In fact this will be necessary for building a coalition in the midwest.  Main problem with Trump is a near total absence of discipline or tactfulness.  In the end, his lack of political skills more than offset his appeal to the Reagan Democrats.


As they say, "You don't know what you got until it's gone."
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: andy58-in-nh on January 12, 2021, 10:34:35 AM
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Mesaclone on January 12, 2021, 10:37:59 AM
There is nothing wrong with incorporating the populist, America-first elements.  In fact this will be necessary for building a coalition in the midwest.  Main problem with Trump is a near total absence of discipline or tactfulness.  In the end, his lack of political skills more than offset his appeal to the Reagan Democrats.

The only “incorporating” that’s to be done will involve folks like Cheney/Romney/Bush and others of the establishment ilk being incorporated into a GOP that reflects and fights hard for Trumps MAGA agenda...America first being the mantra. As for political instincts, Trump has more of them than any leader in our lifetime. He does, admittedly lack tact and discipline, but what’s needed is Jacksonian fire, not Bush wimpism. The Cheney/NT folks had best accept that this party will not be conceding itself to the old establishment Repubs...they can still board the Trump train, or just openly go Dem rather than covertly doing so (as they do now).
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 10:41:53 AM
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.

I'll take the "toddler" thank you very much.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 12, 2021, 10:44:49 AM
I'll take the "toddler" thank you very much.

Any day of the week.

Twice on Sundays.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: andy58-in-nh on January 12, 2021, 10:50:31 AM
I'll take the "toddler" thank you very much.

I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 10:54:49 AM
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.

When you find one who has the balls Trump does, let me know.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Wingnut on January 12, 2021, 10:55:56 AM
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.

I'll take someone who won't shit himself and happily smile while sucking on a binkie.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 10:56:04 AM
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.

So you'd ditch Patton because he slapped a soldier?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 10:57:50 AM
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.

You may see it differently, I think Trump controls his emotions just fine,  a lot of it is calculated to elicit certain responses.   

 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2021, 10:59:05 AM
When you find one who has the balls Trump does, let me know.

Last one (RWR) left politics left office 32 years ago.  That breed of elephant doesn't exist anymore.   Out the door with a kinder, gentler pachyderm.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 12, 2021, 11:08:18 AM
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.

Well stated.

The R establishment needs to be honest that their rank-and-file have given them a failing grade and demand more assertive, unapologetic leadership toward a working-class, main-street America-First platform.  If R voters can't trust R officials to stand up for R voters, how can R voters trust those R officials to stand up for the country?

The R rank-and-file needs to be honest that a political leader's temperament is the first thing people see and the thing that most conditions people's assessment of that leader.  We might like someone who behaves like an ass, but that doesn't mean the country at large will confirm our choice.

Trump alone deserves credit for putting illegal immigration, middle-class job loss due to globalization, and strangling regulatory bureaucracy front-and-center; this added millions to the R voting rolls, unleashed a tremendous economic boom, and kept US military people out of additional never-ending campaigns.  Trump alone deserves blame for allowing his narcissism and ego to alienate large numbers of people on both sides of the aisle and to eclipse his administration's accomplishments; this mobilized the largest and most intense resistance in history against him, and against us.

The R party needs leaders who carry forward without apology the issues Trump advocated, and who can communicate clearly and behave like adults who care about more than their own ego.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 12, 2021, 11:12:23 AM
You may see it differently, I think Trump controls his emotions just fine,  a lot of it is calculated to elicit certain responses.

People have GOT to stop swallowing the media narrative.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
People have GOT to stop swallowing the media narrative.

Exactly.  For quite a while now, I assume ALL and EVERYTHING the MSM conveys is a lie....   then work up from there.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: andy58-in-nh on January 12, 2021, 11:17:41 AM
So you'd ditch Patton because he slapped a soldier?

Well...Trump's not a general, and we are not at war.

Patton still got a reprimand from Eisenhower, who reminded him of his duties. Then, properly chastised: he kicked the Nazis' asses.

As President, Trump frequently damaged his own effectiveness by giving in to verbal excess, hyperbole and distortion, and he did so at the slightest provocation.  I think that hurt him, especially with large numbers of suburban and independent voters. Yes, there was cheating by Democrats, but what sank Trump in the end, was his own mouth and Twitterfingers. 

The last thing the GOP needs is a return to domination by Beltway Globalist Lifers who cower in fear of Democrats and get us into stupid, endless wars.  But I truly think we can do better than what we've had.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 11:19:42 AM
  But I truly think we can do better than what we've had.

Well let me know when someone steps up.  Trump basically is giving up his fortune for this.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: cato potatoe on January 12, 2021, 11:23:23 AM
The only “incorporating” that’s to be done will involve folks like Cheney/Romney/Bush and others of the establishment ilk being incorporated into a GOP that reflects and fights hard for Trumps MAGA agenda...America first being the mantra. As for political instincts, Trump has more of them than any leader in our lifetime. He does, admittedly lack tact and discipline, but what’s needed is Jacksonian fire, not Bush wimpism. The Cheney/NT folks had best accept that this party will not be conceding itself to the old establishment Repubs...they can still board the Trump train, or just openly go Dem rather than covertly doing so (as they do now).

Romney, Kasich et al. still represent a critical number of voters in the suburbs.  There just aren't enough right-leaning populists to form a majority.  Any successful nominee will have to make the establishment comfortable enough to tolerate his/her candidacy, and the populists need motivation to turn out.  I don't buy into the apocalyptic predictions we have heard since last week ... but the GOP has a steep hill to climb.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2021, 11:24:47 AM
Well let me know when someone steps up.  Trump basically is giving up his fortune for this.

If we have learned anything in the past 4 years, is the deep state has killed any chance of a Joe Q Public ever reaching the presidency again
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 11:27:14 AM
Romney, Kasich et al. still represent a critical number of voters in the suburbs.  There just aren't enough right-leaning populists to form a majority.  Any successful nominee will have to make the establishment comfortable enough to tolerate his/her candidacy, and the populists need motivation to turn out.  I don't buy into the apocalyptic predictions we have heard since last week ... but the GOP has a steep hill to climb.
What's the point then,  they are no better than Democrats.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2021, 11:28:52 AM
Romney, Kasich et al. still represent a critical number of voters in the suburbs.  There just aren't enough right-leaning populists to form a majority.  Any successful nominee will have to make the establishment comfortable enough to tolerate his/her candidacy, and the populists need motivation to turn out.  I don't buy into the apocalyptic predictions we have heard since last week ... but the GOP has a steep hill to climb.

???

Dim DHS are already trying to label Hawley and Cruz terrorist, and add them to the No Fly List.  We just had the entire head of ABC News say there needs to be "Idelogical Cleansing" of the right. Another widley followed left wing pundit, is clamoring for deprograming of Trump supporters.

You can put your big ostrich head in the sand.  Others of us are watching a little closer.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: cato potatoe on January 12, 2021, 11:43:26 AM
???

Dim DHS are already trying to label Hawley and Cruz terrorist, and add them to the No Fly List.  We just had the entire head of ABC News say there needs to be "Idelogical Cleansing" of the right. Another widley followed left wing pundit, is clamoring for deprograming of Trump supporters.

You can put your big ostrich head in the sand.  Others of us are watching a little closer.

Sounds like a major overstep, for which the left will be punished.  Otherwise we all need to consider emigration.  I am confident last week's events are going to fade from the news cycle.  There will be another set of BLM riots, or some insane controversy du jour to reset our perspective. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2021, 11:53:48 AM
Sounds like a major overstep, for which the left will be punished.  Otherwise we all need to consider emigration.  I am confident last week's events are going to fade from the news cycle.  There will be another set of BLM riots, or some insane controversy du jour to reset our perspective.

Thanks..  thoughtful response.  One question though...  When was the last time someone from the left was punished for anything.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Sighlass on January 12, 2021, 12:19:01 PM
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.

Glad to see not everyone here has drank the kool-aid. QFT
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 12:31:23 PM
Glad to see not everyone here has drank the kool-aid. QFT

You drank the MSM Kool-Aid
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Sighlass on January 12, 2021, 12:58:13 PM
You drank the MSM Kool-Aid

You drank the MSM Kool-Aid

No, I just observed the actions (fruits) of Trump... When you post photoshopped pictures of folks picking their nose, perhaps the maturity isn't there... When you mock the accent of people you fired, the maturity isn't there. I expected that from my 9y/o kids, not the president.

The MSM (which includes Fox News) thought those actions were endearing... I didn't.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.

FACTS.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 12, 2021, 02:00:02 PM
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.

That wasn't the only choice though... back in 2016 it was a three way between kasich, trump and cruz I believe.

Cruz was the better of those 3 IMO.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2021, 02:02:47 PM


Cruz was the better of those 3 IMO.

And now he will soon be in a battle for his own political survival.  I have no idea at what level or point the witch hunt will end.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 12, 2021, 02:23:24 PM
And now he will soon be in a battle for his own political survival.  I have no idea at what level or point the witch hunt will end.

It takes 66 Senators to expel a Senator I believe. I don't think he's in a battle... but maybe next election?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2021, 02:29:44 PM
It takes 66 Senators to expel a Senator I believe. I don't think he's in a battle... but maybe next election?

In this hostile environment, it might not be too hard to pick off 17 RINOS.  Hawley and Cruz might be cast off as a peace offering by the cowering GOP that is left.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: libertybele on January 12, 2021, 02:40:14 PM
In this hostile environment, it might not be too hard to pick off 17 RINOS.  Hawley and Cruz might be cast off as a peace offering by the cowering GOP that is left.

It takes 2/3 of the Senate to expel or censor a Senator and I believe 2/3 of the House to expel a Representative.

I have no doubt that Cruz's career is over and with over 6,000 lawyers and law students asking for him to resign, his career as a lawyer is over as well.

How sad that a man who stood up for the TRUTH, the CONSTITUTION and put his country first is going to be disbarred and condemned from political office.

I have little doubt now that had Cruz won the Presidency the leftists would have attacked him just as they have and are attacking Trump.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2021, 02:42:58 PM
How sad that a man who stood up for the TRUTH, the CONSTITUTION and put his country first is going to be disbarred and condemned from political office.

I have little doubt now that had Cruz won the Presidency the leftists would have attacked him just as they have and are attacking Trump.

Worse. Cruz is an actual Conservative.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 12, 2021, 02:56:08 PM
Worse. Cruz is an actual Conservative.

Not only that, he's the outsider that Trump's supporters looked for, and are still looking for.  He was detested by both the R establishment and the Ds for not compromising critical Constitutional and Conservative beliefs in the interest of "bipartisanship".  He didn't compromise those principles when he told the farmers of Iowa during the 2016 nominating contest that he opposed the ethanol subsidy; he didn't compromise those principles at the Republican National Convention of 2016 and he was widely excoriated for it by Trump supporters; and he didn't compromise those principles when he became essentially the last man standing in Congress trying to defend the credibility of the vote and is now being excoriated again by the left.

I doubt that he'll be expelled from the Senate but we'll have to see what people like Romney, Toomey, and Murkowski say about it.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2021, 03:03:31 PM
Not only that, he's the outsider that Trump's supporters looked for, and are still looking for.  He was detested by both the R establishment and the Ds for not compromising critical Constitutional and Conservative beliefs in the interest of "bipartisanship".  He didn't compromise those principles when he told the farmers of Iowa during the 2016 nominating contest that he opposed the ethanol subsidy; he didn't compromise those principles at the Republican National Convention of 2016 and he was widely excoriated for it by Trump supporters; and he didn't compromise those principles when he became essentially the last man standing in Congress trying to defend the credibility of the vote and is now being excoriated again by the left.

I doubt that he'll be expelled from the Senate but we'll have to see what people like Romney, Toomey, and Murkowski say about it.

YEP. And I think he could have commanded the few Conservatives into a bloc and played 'Gang of Eight' games... And he would have focused on law.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2021, 04:07:13 PM
Well...Trump's not a general, and we are not at war.

Hold it right there.  I hope you figure out very soon that we are, in fact, at war with these people.  They've been at war with us for years, and we'd better damned well realize that!
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2021, 04:20:59 PM
That wasn't the only choice though... back in 2016 it was a three way between kasich, trump and cruz I believe.

Cruz was the better of those 3 IMO.

LOL!  Chop-Chop Kasich was so far from the brass ring he needed a telescope to see it.  Only Jazzy thinks he would have been a good President.

:mauslaff:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 04:32:15 PM
Not only that, he's the outsider that Trump's supporters looked for, and are still looking for.  He was detested by both the R establishment and the Ds for not compromising critical Constitutional and Conservative beliefs in the interest of "bipartisanship".  He didn't compromise those principles when he told the farmers of Iowa during the 2016 nominating contest that he opposed the ethanol subsidy; he didn't compromise those principles at the Republican National Convention of 2016 and he was widely excoriated for it by Trump supporters; and he didn't compromise those principles when he became essentially the last man standing in Congress trying to defend the credibility of the vote and is now being excoriated again by the left.

I doubt that he'll be expelled from the Senate but we'll have to see what people like Romney, Toomey, and Murkowski say about it.

You can say what you will about Trump,   but he could galvanize people in a way Ted never could.   Ted is perfect right where he is.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 12, 2021, 06:04:48 PM
Hold it right there.  I hope you figure out very soon that we are, in fact, at war with these people.  They've been at war with us for years, and we'd better damned well realize that!

 :amen:

The Pub establishment is on drugs if they think they are going to win the majority any time soon after abandoning Trump. Trump was right. The election was stolen and he did not incite a riot. If the Pubs had learned anything they would have all rallied around Trump after the riot. Instead they ran away. Why would I or any other Trump supporter ever vote for them again.

It's time to get behind the fighters and support them. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 12, 2021, 06:07:25 PM
You can say what you will about Trump,   but he could galvanize people in a way Ted never could.   Ted is perfect right where he is.

I was a Cruz supporter and still am, but you're right. Trump is a rare figure. He fights with a consistency and intensity we haven't seen since Lincoln.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: mikezpen on January 12, 2021, 06:58:28 PM
Trump is the only Republican politician I've ever seen who gave the media what it deserved.I LOVED THAT!They are NOT to be treated as legitimate nor respected, because they are out to see the leftist agenda imposed on America by any means within their reach.To that end, they will try to destroy any Republican with a worthwhile agenda.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2021, 07:01:04 PM
Trump is the only Republican politician I've ever seen who gave the media what it deserved.I LOVED THAT!They are NOT to be treated as legitimate nor respected, because they are out to see the leftist agenda imposed on America by any means within their reach.To that end, they will try to destroy any Republican with a worthwhile agenda.

Yeah, it feels so good to dot their eye... But that ain't how you fix that.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 12, 2021, 07:07:31 PM
Yeah, it feels so good to dot their eye... But that ain't how you fix that.

You're 100% right. If it was, Trump would have been re-elected.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: libertybele on January 12, 2021, 07:07:50 PM
:amen:

The Pub establishment is on drugs if they think they are going to win the majority any time soon after abandoning Trump. Trump was right. The election was stolen and he did not incite a riot. If the Pubs had learned anything they would have all rallied around Trump after the riot. Instead they ran away. Why would I or any other Trump supporter ever vote for them again.

It's time to get behind the fighters and support them.

From my viewpoint, there are very few conservatives in both the Senate and the House -- I will not vote for anyone just because they claim to be Republican or are the lesser of the two evils -  those days are over.  As for fighters like Cruz and Hawley ... they'll be shown the door by leadership.

IMHO thinking that there is going to be another election; even in 2022, is very wishful thinking.   
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 12, 2021, 07:09:31 PM
Worse. Cruz is an actual Conservative.

^^^ This
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 07:09:33 PM
F the Republicans, they are irrelevant.  They only serve as cover for the Democrats in the illusion that there is a choice.

Might as well just vote for the most reasonable Rat in the primaries. That's the only way to make a difference now.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 12, 2021, 07:10:03 PM
Trump is the only Republican politician I've ever seen who gave the media what it deserved.I LOVED THAT!They are NOT to be treated as legitimate nor respected, because they are out to see the leftist agenda imposed on America by any means within their reach.To that end, they will try to destroy any Republican with a worthwhile agenda.

You missed the Reagan years didn't you?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2021, 07:24:16 PM
You're 100% right. If it was, Trump would have been re-elected.

What is needed is a studied and determined, relentless way forward.
Populism cannot do that.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 12, 2021, 07:31:15 PM
You can say what you will about Trump,   but he could galvanize people in a way Ted never could.   Ted is perfect right where he is.

You make a fair point @dfwgator, Trump is much more charismatic.  I like Ted’s principled intellect but that’s not necessarily enough to win.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 07:49:27 PM
You missed the Reagan years didn't you?

The media is a lot different than they were in the Reagan years,  it's not even close.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2021, 08:03:55 PM
You missed the Reagan years didn't you?

I remember when the rats ginned up scandals against Ronnie.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 12, 2021, 08:07:44 PM
The media is a lot different than they were in the Reagan years,  it's not even close.

Actually it was worse back then...pre dissolution of the Fairness you hand three broadcast networks and three major newspapers that controlled everything people knew without alternative means to verify what was being reported. 

Reagan didn’t have social media NewsMax TV OANN etc to go around the MSM of his day.  He had to put his should down and go straight through them to get to the people. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 12, 2021, 08:10:13 PM
I remember when the rats ginned up scandals against Ronnie.

The whole Bush flew to Paris in an SR-71.

Reagan was the Devil come to life because he had six letters in his first middle and last names. 

Etc etc etc

Hell even Trump hated Reagan back then because of Ronnie’s tax reforms that closed loopholes. 

The Donald claimed his policies were straight out of the USSR. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Fishrrman on January 12, 2021, 08:21:37 PM
andy wrote:
"I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions."

That's fine, Andy. Your point is well-taken.
Now... name two.

Mr. Trump would have won without the demo-communist underground election fraud that's apparent to anyone who was actually looking and gave a damn. I would have gladly put up with his "childishness" for four more years.

Instead of the communism that's coming at us, full speed ahead.

Having said that, the "traditional" Republican establishment is hangin' on the edge of a cliff (and this is in spite of the extra seats that were picked up).

Without the swing states that Mr. Trump won in 2016 -- and without Georgia, which is now clearly a blue state -- there will be no more Republican presidents.

And without the possibility of achieving the presidency again, the Republican party will soon become "a shrinking core" as the demo-communists install their "election apparatus" structures in other states as well. I expect them to target Texas and Florida in due time.

If Mr. Trump somehow keeps himself in good health and runs again in 2024, I will gladly vote for him one more time. Even considering the events of the last month, nobody in the Republican party can still hold a candle to him right now.

Nobody.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2021, 08:31:22 PM
You make a fair point @dfwgator, Trump is much more charismatic.  I like Ted’s principled intellect but that’s not necessarily enough to win.

But charisma means nothing - winning means nothing, if the ball never moves. Pyrrhic victory anyone?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 12, 2021, 08:44:55 PM
From my viewpoint, there are very few conservatives in both the Senate and the House -- I will not vote for anyone just because they claim to be Republican or are the lesser of the two evils -  those days are over.  As for fighters like Cruz and Hawley ... they'll be shown the door by leadership.

IMHO thinking that there is going to be another election; even in 2022, is very wishful thinking.

 :amen:

Most of my life I "settled" and then was disappointed when the Pub I supported failed me.

Cruz and Hawley are both on my must support list. I'm putting together a list and next month I will start going down the list and contribute $100 to a candidate. It's not a lot but it's a start. I would encourage others to do the same. We can all see that any conservative that dares to represent us is being targeted for defunding.

You're right we may not see another election, unless the left can fix it so they never lose. From what I've seen the Pubs are well on the way to marginalizing themselves. I just saw on Newsmax that 80% of Trump voters polled are saying they won't support any Pub that votes for impeachment.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 12, 2021, 08:46:47 PM
You missed the Reagan years didn't you?

I didn't. Reagan was incredible, but he didn't fight like Trump or as hard.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 08:47:34 PM
But charisma means nothing - winning means nothing, if the ball never moves. Pyrrhic victory anyone?

I will say, after Goldwater got thumped in 1964,  out of the ashes rose Reagan.

But unfortunately, that was back when elections were still for the most part fair.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 12, 2021, 08:48:34 PM
I didn't. Reagan was incredible, but he didn't fight like Trump or as hard.

And yet if you study history and going all the way back to his support for Goldwater and his time as Governor and the '76 and '80 campaigns...he did.

As I pointed out in some ways because of the media vise grip on info...he had to fight harder.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 12, 2021, 08:50:21 PM
And yet if you study history and going all the way back to his support for Goldwater and his time as Governor and the '76 and '80 campaigns...he did.

As I pointed out in some ways because of the media vise grip on info...he had to fight harder.

But Reagan also had a lot of friends in Hollywood and the media going back to his acting days.   That matters. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Mesaclone on January 13, 2021, 07:31:32 AM
But charisma means nothing - winning means nothing, if the ball never moves. Pyrrhic victory anyone?

Is a Pyrhhic victory worse than continual crushing defeat? FYI, it’s possible to govern conservatively AND have some charisma...in fact, it’s essential if you ever hope to actually win an election. If your goal is simply to be a purist and perpetually lose...well...in that case you’re right, charisma is not needed.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 07:35:53 AM
Is a Pyrhhic victory worse than continual crushing defeat? FYI, it’s possible to govern conservatively AND have some charisma...in fact, it’s essential if you ever hope to actually win an election. [...]

I wish I'd said this @Mesaclone   :laugh:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 07:39:18 AM
And yet if you study history and going all the way back to his support for Goldwater and his time as Governor and the '76 and '80 campaigns...he did.

As I pointed out in some ways because of the media vise grip on info...he had to fight harder.

No one has had to fight as hard against the full force of the US Federal government, including his own political party, as Donald Trump has just to do his job.  No one.

And what the President (Trump) accomplished is nothing short of miraculous.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 13, 2021, 08:09:33 AM
But Reagan also had a lot of friends in Hollywood and the media going back to his acting days.   That matters.

Actually he left Hollywood and quit the SAG as it’s president because of the rising Communist presence in its ranks.

“I didn’t leave the Democrat Party it left me”

He had no friends in Hollywood...none that would admit it in public anyway...by the time he became President. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 13, 2021, 08:13:21 AM
He had no friends in Hollywood...none that would admit it in public anyway...by the time he became President.

I remember the "Jane Wyman was right" bumper stickers and seeing Reagan written off as the stupid straight man to a chimp.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: andy58-in-nh on January 13, 2021, 08:18:55 AM
andy wrote:
"I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions."

That's fine, Andy. Your point is well-taken.
Now... name two.
@Fishrrman

I'd be happy to:

Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina
Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana

Just to name two. There are many others I could mention as well - Governors Greg Abbott (R-TX), Ron DeSantis (R-FL), and quite a few young House members as well.

The point is that Trump is not the beginning and end of the movement that he created.

It will outlast his political viability - because in spite of his character flaws - he was absolutely right about Washington, D.C. and about the Deep State. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 10:09:52 AM
Is a Pyrhhic victory worse than continual crushing defeat?

As a matter of fact, NO! It's the same damn thing with a smidgen of false hope.

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FYI, it’s possible to govern conservatively AND have some charisma...in fact, it’s essential if you ever hope to actually win an election. If your goal is simply to be a purist and perpetually lose...well...in that case you’re right, charisma is not needed.

Charisma is incidental. Many presidents were not charismatic. Many statesmen of all sorts had a face for radio and a voice for telegraph.

And we already ARE perpetually losing, whether we 'win' or not, all of us. This entire last four years is almost a wash. And in my mind, a deficit. Not only are we trillions upon trillions in debt, but also the left is regimented and marching in lockstep, fueled primarily by their dislike of the man...

But keep running to your prophets with itching ears and calling me a purist. That's worked so well all these years.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 10:12:25 AM
And what the President (Trump) accomplished is nothing short of miraculous.

And miraculously close to nothing.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 10:15:26 AM
y'all don't need a rockstar. Y'all need a bean-counter. Charisma my a$$.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 13, 2021, 10:16:01 AM
The point is that Trump is not the beginning and end of the movement that he created.

It will outlast his political viability - because in spite of his character flaws - he was absolutely right about Washington, D.C. and about the Deep State.

This is where the entire R party needs to land.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Mesaclone on January 13, 2021, 10:18:44 AM
As a matter of fact, NO! It's the same damn thing with a smidgen of false hope.

Charisma is incidental. Many presidents were not charismatic. Many statesmen of all sorts had a face for radio and a voice for telegraph.

And we already ARE perpetually losing, whether we 'win' or not, all of us. This entire last four years is almost a wash. And in my mind, a deficit. Not only are we trillions upon trillions in debt, but also the left is regimented and marching in lockstep, fueled primarily by their dislike of the man...

But keep running to your prophets with itching ears and calling me a purist. That's worked so well all these years.

Charisma is NOT incidental...in this modern era one cannot win a national election if they cannot motivate and excite a voting base...the monotone Ferris Buellar roll call speech ain’t gonna win ANYTHING. Second, losing changes nothing...Trump defeated the Left in 2016, and in 2020 quite frankly, not sure the Right has anyone else capable of doing the one thing that must precede ANY political change....winning. I’m open to candidates who can motivate the Right and actually defeat the Dem candidate in 2024....but whoever that may be, they’d best step up soon.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 13, 2021, 10:22:57 AM
Charisma is NOT incidental...in this modern era one cannot win a national election if they cannot motivate and excite a voting base...the monotone Ferris Buellar roll call speech ain’t gonna win ANYTHING. Second, losing changes nothing...Trump defeated the Left in 2016, and in 2020 quite frankly, not sure the Right has anyone else capable of doing the one thing that must precede ANY political change....winning. I’m open to candidates who can motivate the Right and actually defeat the Dem candidate in 2024....but whoever that may be, they’d best step up soon.

There'll be no defeating the rats for the foreseeable future. The only hope I see is their overreaching today is creating a legion of radicalized opponents who might possibly turn things around tomorrow - as candidates at all levels of government AND as voters.

Might not be in my lifetime though.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 10:25:51 AM
Charisma is NOT incidental...in this modern era one cannot win a national election if they cannot motivate and excite a voting base...the monotone Ferris Buellar roll call speech ain’t gonna win ANYTHING. Second, losing changes nothing...Trump defeated the Left in 2016, and in 2020 quite frankly, not sure the Right has anyone else capable of doing the one thing that must precede ANY political change....winning. I’m open to candidates who can motivate the Right and actually defeat the Dem candidate in 2024....but whoever that may be, they’d best step up soon.

The hubris of modernity is elixir to small minds.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 10:29:15 AM
This is where the entire R party needs to land.

And it's not going to @HoustonSam  Congressional Rs can't entertain and vote for impeaching for a second time the founder of the movement.  They're trying to beat him to death, literally.  I'm serious about this.  They are trying to have the President killed.  COVID didn't work so now they're counting on one lunatic who believes the frenzy Congress has created is real.

But no worries ... the GOP isn't being foolish in condoning this --- the GOP really doesn't believe in the great unwashed middle class taxpayers so they have no intention of keeping MAGA.  They believe in comfort and kickbacks.  They're going to kill both the leader and the movement and return to being the slick talking losers they've always preferred to be -- just losers with fat wallets and perks that would make King George blush.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 10:32:09 AM
There'll be no defeating the rats for the foreseeable future. The only hope I see is their overreaching today is creating a legion of radicalized opponents who might possibly turn things around tomorrow - as candidates at all levels of government AND as voters.

Might not be in my lifetime though.

It's not going to be in anyone's lifetime.  This election fraud coup was the crowning glory to a government sinking in a corrupt swamp of their own creation.  No one gets in without their permission.  No one.  Ever again.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 10:32:35 AM
There'll be no defeating the rats for the foreseeable future. The only hope I see is their overreaching today is creating a legion of radicalized opponents who might possibly turn things around tomorrow - as candidates at all levels of government AND as voters.

Might not be in my lifetime though.

I think you are  wrong in that. 2 years from now, when most of the country is still in lockdown, and people finally KNOW it's a scam, there stands a moment of clarity and rebellion and states rights... an opportunity  like we have never met before. An if we meet it again with mere populism instead of statesmanship, all will be lost. Again.

What the people need is answers. What the people will respond to is a real and actionable plan... What needs to happen is a 'throw the bastards out' moment driven by young conservatives with another contract with America. And two years after that, perhaps a president of the same stature.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 13, 2021, 10:36:00 AM
I think you are  wrong in that. 2 years from now, when most of the country is still in lockdown, and people finally KNOW it's a scam, there stands a moment of clarity and rebellion and states rights... an opportunity  like we have never met before. An if we meet it again with mere populism instead of statesmanship, all will be lost. Again.

What the people need is answers. What the people will respond to is a real and actionable plan... What needs to happen is a 'throw the bastards out' moment driven by young conservatives with another contract with America. And two years after that, perhaps a president of the same stature.
You lose me when you use vague, charged terms like populism and statesmanship. The Constitution is the Constitution, and patriotism is patriotism. its no more complicated than that.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
You lose me when you use vague terms like populism and statesmanship. The Constitution is the Constitution, and patriotism is patriotism.

no. My whacko left sister believes herself to be a patriot and supposes her side to be adhering to the Constitution. She too followed a populist named Hillary Clinton. Her thinking on all that drives me nuts - But the vagaries are with you.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 13, 2021, 10:44:17 AM
no. My whacko left sister believes herself to be a patriot and supposes her side to be adhering to the Constitution. She too followed a populist named Hillary Clinton. Her thinking on all that drives me nuts - But the vagaries are with you.

I cannot account for the delusions of some. Today's left evokes the Constitution all of the time yet by their actions they clearly aren't reading it. They also consider themselves statesmen.

Words mean what they mean. You either love and take them to heart or you don't.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 13, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
And it's not going to @HoustonSam  Congressional Rs can't entertain and vote for impeaching for a second time the founder of the movement.
You could be right @Right_in_Virginia.  I don't have much confidence that the R party will figure this out, neither among the R establishment nor among the R rank-and-file.  To the extent Congressional Rs enlist in censure or impeachment votes, they further destroy any hope of effective R party re-alignment and recovery.  They should learn the lesson of the Ds, all of whom gathered to declare Clinton "the greatest president in history" when he was impeached; they will never get media or "independent" or "moderate D" support by opposing R presidents, so why forsake R support by doing so?  They care more for their own "virtuous" identity and their sinecures than they care about what their voters believe or what's best for the country.
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They're trying to beat him to death, literally.  I'm serious about this.  They are trying to have the President killed.  COVID didn't work so now they're counting on one lunatic who believes the frenzy Congress has created is real.
You might want to switch to de-caf.  I'm sure there are plenty of Ds and "progressives" who would not hesitate, but the idea that the R establishment wants this requires a lot more evidence to sustain.  But having said this, watch now for a push to deny ex-President Trump Secret Service protection.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 10:53:58 AM
I cannot account for the delusions of some. Today's left evokes the Constitution all of the time yet by their actions they clearly aren't reading it. They also consider themselves statesmen.

Words mean what they mean. You either love and take them to heart or you don't.

And there it is... The ever-present argument between orthodoxy and the heretic. Interpretation.

I have been having this same argument in religious circles for most of my life.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 13, 2021, 10:56:14 AM
And there it is... The ever-present argument between orthodoxy and the heretic. Interpretation.

I have been having this same argument in religious circles for most of my life.

Yeah, but I cannot think of a charter that has a larger body of interpretative documentation than does the US Constitution.

In spite of the emanations and penumbras.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 11:06:35 AM
Yeah, but I cannot think of a charter that has a larger body of interpretative documentation than does the US Constitution.

In spite of the emanations and penumbras.

Oh, but I would say that would be the Bible. Torah particularly. And in spite of Yah's FIRM declaration that none of it would ever change, not a single jot or tittle... There are tens of thousands of interpretations that do exactly that. By those that purport to be disciples no less.

This is very much in the same vein - As a textual critic and always the originalist, minding every single letter, I can see you from here. I get it.

But I am not so swift to deny others their interpretations. What is needed is reason. And that is not to be found today on either side of the political realm.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 11:25:12 AM
You might want to switch to de-caf.  I'm sure there are plenty of Ds and "progressives" who would not hesitate, but the idea that the R establishment wants this requires a lot more evidence to sustain.  But having said this, watch now for a push to deny ex-President Trump Secret Service protection.

Please don't ridicule me @HoustonSam  I am deeply troubled and concerned about the President's safety and the safety of his family. This frenzy is spiraling out of control.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Bigun on January 13, 2021, 11:25:42 AM
Coming to grips with reality

IMHO the time for efforts to restore the Republic known as the United States of America has passed. (Personally, I consider that to be a fact, but I will merely state it as an opinion; you can determine your own categorization.)

John Adams told us long ago that “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”  (https://medium.com/common-sense-now/john-adams-was-right-about-our-constitution-e454faad21fa) and we, in large measure, have come to the point where that applies.

There are countless descriptions of How, Why, Who, Where, and When, the evil has been unleashed on our once great experiment. Seek them out, if merely to refresh your memory and firm your understanding.

I will point to the "Long March Through the Institutions" (https://www.conservapedia.com/Long_march_through_the_institutions) as devised by Dutschke as the workable embodiment of Gramsci's original concept of Cultural Marxism (https://www.conservapedia.com/Cultural_Marxism), as the most effective tool that has been deployed to destroy the Republic of the United States of America.

The long march of cultural marxism through the institutions of the United States government and civil society is a very handy and succinct way of collecting and categorizing all of the evil that has been implanted and unleashed, to destroy the United States of America. When you think about it, it covers it all. That is a fact, and it has been more effective, and fast-moving, than any of its evil plotters could have ever imagined.

Because it has been allowed to flourish so broadly and deeply, the target of its destruction, the United States of America, has devolved beyond the point of resurrection. This is a bitter pill to swallow. Every aspect of our being works to prevent us from embracing and digesting that fact and that is why we sit where we sit as 2021 embarks from the station.

But that is all behind us now, the milk cannot be unspilled, we must now reap what we have sown and move on trying in earnest to make the most of the time that we have remaining and, for me, that means getting involved in and becoming fully supportive of The Texas Nationalst Movement
 (https://tnm.me/join?id=23794).
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 13, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
@Fishrrman

I'd be happy to:

Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina
Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana

Just to name two. There are many others I could mention as well - Governors Greg Abbott (R-TX), Ron DeSantis (R-FL), and quite a few young House members as well.

The point is that Trump is not the beginning and end of the movement that he created.

It will outlast his political viability - because in spite of his character flaws - he was absolutely right about Washington, D.C. and about the Deep State.

When Trump decides to step aside DeSantis is the man to watch.

DeSantis fights and is not afraid to be out front. For example he just announced that FL. will divest itself of Apple, Google, Amazon & Twitter. If other Pub Gov.'s start doing the same these enemies of freedom will start to feel it in their bottom line.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 13, 2021, 11:40:30 AM
This is where the entire R party needs to land.

It won't as long as the Liz Cheney's in the party are in positions of power.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 13, 2021, 11:44:51 AM
There'll be no defeating the rats for the foreseeable future. The only hope I see is their overreaching today is creating a legion of radicalized opponents who might possibly turn things around tomorrow - as candidates at all levels of government AND as voters.

Might not be in my lifetime though.

Just saw an article on Bongino Report that now 24% of the country is not opposed to separation. As the left destroys more freedoms and promotes identity politics I think the % will grow. At some point a Gov., or Gov.'s, will see separation as a viable alternative and a real discussion of how can begin.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 13, 2021, 11:47:18 AM
It's not going to be in anyone's lifetime. This election fraud coup was the crowning glory to a government sinking in a corrupt swamp of their own creation.  No one gets in without their permission.  No one.  Ever again.

Once people accept this reality and if they refuse to give up then next step is obvious.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 13, 2021, 11:47:25 AM
Please don't ridicule me @HoustonSam  I am deeply troubled and concerned about the President's safety and the safety of his family. This frenzy is spiraling out of control.
you aren’t alone.

But these things have a way of turning on a dime so let’s see what happens.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 13, 2021, 11:52:06 AM
Please don't ridicule me @HoustonSam  I am deeply troubled and concerned about the President's safety and the safety of his family. This frenzy is spiraling out of control.

@Right_in_Virginia

I don't doubt that "progressives" and Ds in Congress actually wish Trump and his family the gravest physical harm, and I predict that the same people will attempt to deny Secret Service protection to ex-President Trump in order to put his life at risk.

I understood your assertion to be that Congressional Rs join in colluding against the Trump family's safety; there is no evidence for that belief.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 13, 2021, 01:04:56 PM
@Right_in_Virginia

I don't doubt that "progressives" and Ds in Congress actually wish Trump and his family the gravest physical harm, and I predict that the same people will attempt to deny Secret Service protection to ex-President Trump in order to put his life at risk.

I understood your assertion to be that Congressional Rs join in colluding against the Trump family's safety; there is no evidence for that belief.

The Rats want to take Trump's Secret Service protection away.  If any Pubbies join them, then there's your list.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 13, 2021, 01:09:01 PM
If other Pub Gov.'s start doing the same these enemies of freedom will start to feel it in their bottom

Heh. Had to.  happy77


 :nono: :laugh:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 13, 2021, 01:09:30 PM
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.

No problems.   There is plenty of Republican " bench strength"  that can provide effective leadership.

Right now i like the idea of Mike Pompeo.  But there are plenty of others.   We just have get over the idolatry of Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 13, 2021, 01:30:56 PM
No problems.   There is plenty of Republican " bench strength"  that can provide effective leadership.

Right now i like the idea of Mike Pompeo.  But there are plenty of others.   We just have get over the idolatry of Donald Trump.

The only "idolatry" I see is of the Emmanuel Goldstein variety,  and it's from you.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Bigun on January 13, 2021, 01:34:39 PM
It's not going to be in anyone's lifetime.  This election fraud coup was the crowning glory to a government sinking in a corrupt swamp of their own creation.  No one gets in without their permission.  No one.  Ever again.

I will simply say that on the day Joe Biden is sworn in as president of the United States of America the American flag that has long flown on the flagpole in my yard comes down to be replaced with a Texas flag and my allegiance will be to Texas only from that point forward. @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 01:44:27 PM
@Right_in_Virginia

I don't doubt that "progressives" and Ds in Congress actually wish Trump and his family the gravest physical harm, and I predict that the same people will attempt to deny Secret Service protection to ex-President Trump in order to put his life at risk.

I understood your assertion to be that Congressional Rs join in colluding against the Trump family's safety; there is no evidence for that belief.

What evidence do you have that they're not?  @HoustonSam
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 01:46:04 PM
I will simply say that on the day Joe Biden is sworn in as president of the United States of America the American flag that has long flown on the flagpole in my yard comes down to be replaced with a Texas flag and my allegiance will be to Texas only from that point forward. @Right_in_Virginia

Lucky you @Bigun  I'm stuck in the People's Republic of Virginia.  :crying:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 13, 2021, 01:52:27 PM
The only "idolatry" I see is of the Emmanuel Goldstein variety,  and it's from you.
For someone who wants to get past Trump @Jazzhead cant seem to make a post without mentioning him.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 13, 2021, 02:03:05 PM
What evidence do you have that they're not?  @HoustonSam

@Right_in_Virginia

You made the assertion that Congressional Rs are trying to get Trump killed, so you bear the burden of proof for that assertion.  I didn't assert anything so I am not required to prove anything, only to acknowledge proof that you provide.  That's the way logical argumentation works.

We each know where the other stands on the various moving parts of this issue, and we agree much more than we disagree.  I don't see what good comes from arguing the few disagreements further.  I'm pretty sure Travis' men at the Alamo and Custer's at Little Big Horn forgot whatever differences they might have had among themselves and pointed all their guns outward.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: libertybele on January 13, 2021, 02:10:20 PM
No problems.   There is plenty of Republican " bench strength"  that can provide effective leadership.

Right now i like the idea of Mike Pompeo.  But there are plenty of others.   We just have get over the idolatry of Donald Trump.

What part of we won't see another fair election or another GOP seated don't you understand?  Whether you want to believe it or not, the DEMS stole the election and nothing is going to stop them from continuing to steal elections.  They were almost successful here in FL during the mid terms and DeSantis finally was declared victorious by a slim margin of less than 1%; it's not the first time that they've tried to steal elections, but this time around their fraud resulted in unseating our President.

Secondly, they have vowed to change the electoral college to a majority win. and with them granting asylum/voting rights to millions of illegals, it will be mathematically impossible for a GOP candidate to win.

Thirdly, what make you actually believe that the GOP is even going to exist by next election?  The DEMS want total control and after that the globalists will kick them out.

These are all valid assertions that I am making and questions that I'm asking.  You truly need to open your eyes and see what is happening, otherwise this is all going to smack you square in your face.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 13, 2021, 02:23:13 PM
No problems.   There is plenty of Republican " bench strength"  that can provide effective leadership.

Right now i like the idea of Mike Pompeo.  But there are plenty of others.   We just have get over the idolatry of Donald Trump.

Anyone who ever said anything nice about Trump is going to be lumped in with the others, don't you get it?    They want all Rs dead, even the ones who are bashing Trump now, it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 13, 2021, 02:49:37 PM
If I had my choice it would be someone who represents and believes in Trump's America First policy, but who is more polished and steps on his Johnson less frequently. Preferably someone missing thumbs or who doesn't have a Twatter account.

Some possibilities :

Ron DeSantis
Kristi Noem

At one point I liked Nikki Haley, but I'm concerned she's too establishment.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: cato potatoe on January 13, 2021, 02:58:33 PM
If I had my choice it would be someone who represents and believes in Trump's America First policy, but who is more polished and steps on his Johnson less frequently. Preferably someone missing thumbs or who doesn't have a Twatter account.

Some possibilities :

Ron DeSantis
Kristi Noem

At one point I liked Nikki Haley, but I'm concerned she's too establishment.

Any of those would be fine with me.  DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign.  Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why.  The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 13, 2021, 02:59:43 PM
Any of those would be fine with me.  DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign.  Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why.  The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success.

If DeSantis survives, without throwing Trump under the bus in the process,  he's good to go for 2024.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Wingnut on January 13, 2021, 03:24:47 PM
Any of those would be fine with me.  DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign.  Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why.  The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success.

Gov DeSoto takes a lot of flack from the big urban libtards but the the red parts of the state like the job he's done.  Kept the state free after the initial lockdown.  No Mask mandate state wide and if counties have a mandate they cannot fine non maskholes for not wearing face underwear. Fl is open for business and we have lower Covid related UE than most states our size.  Besides Hospitals givin the Rona shots he gave Publix Supermarkets the Vax and they are doing better than the "burro" crates that run the heath care system.   Florida is God's waiting room and we don't kill our seniors like Guido The great big Pr(I)ck up in NY.  Our seasoned residents go to the head of the Vax line, not to the slab in a warehouse morgue waiting to be burried in a mass grave when the ground thaws.   
 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 13, 2021, 03:34:01 PM
Any of those would be fine with me.  DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign.  Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why.  The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success.

Assuming Trump passes the torch to DeSantis, it would be good for them to work together, in other words,  DeSantis needs to bluntly tell Trump what to do in order to help, and not hurt his chances, but do it privately.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 13, 2021, 03:36:28 PM
What part of we won't see another fair election or another GOP seated don't you understand?  Whether you want to believe it or not, the DEMS stole the election and nothing is going to stop them from continuing to steal elections.  They were almost successful here in FL during the mid terms and DeSantis finally was declared victorious by a slim margin of less than 1%; it's not the first time that they've tried to steal elections, but this time around their fraud resulted in unseating our President.

Secondly, they have vowed to change the electoral college to a majority win. and with them granting asylum/voting rights to millions of illegals, it will be mathematically impossible for a GOP candidate to win.

Thirdly, what make you actually believe that the GOP is even going to exist by next election?  The DEMS want total control and after that the globalists will kick them out.

These are all valid assertions that I am making and questions that I'm asking.  You truly need to open your eyes and see what is happening, otherwise this is all going to smack you square in your face.


The GOP,  once it gets over its drunken bender with the resident megalomaniac,  will do just fine.  It will continue to win elections well into the future.   There is so much real talent on our side,  some of it elevated by Trump (e.g., Pompeo)
 

Right now Trump is harming the party rather than helping, IMO,  so the faster he's consigned to the dustbin,  the better.   Honestly, the Capitol mob has erased my last vestige of empathy for the man.  What an embarrassment he has been.    And one reason for my antipathy is that he has had no appreciation for how the party has carried his water.    Loyalty to party means nothing to him.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 13, 2021, 03:38:11 PM
Anyone who ever said anything nice about Trump is going to be lumped in with the others, don't you get it?    They want all Rs dead, even the ones who are bashing Trump now, it doesn't matter.

Such drama.   The GOP will be just fine.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: libertybele on January 13, 2021, 03:40:25 PM
DeSantis has been caught up in his lies. Blaming past Gov. Scott for the failure of the unemployment disaster that has taken place was one of them.  There are still people who haven't received dime one or who never received full compensation.  He knew about the problem and failed to fix it and failed to fix it even after supposedly he hired a company to install new software.

Right now he has assigned Dane Eagle to oversee the department. I've met Dane in person and he is great in getting things done.

Once Trump leaves office, we'll see if DeSantis keeps his promises or if he caves to the leftists and shuts us down.

Trump has carried him; let's see how well he does on his own.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 13, 2021, 03:40:35 PM
Any of those would be fine with me.  DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign.  Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why.  The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success.

I for one could support DeSantis or Haley.   Trump's political demise may be a blessing by allowing some of this cream to rise.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 13, 2021, 03:43:06 PM
DeSantis has been caught up in his lies. Blaming past Gov. Scott for the failure of the unemployment disaster that has taken place was one of them.  There are still people who haven't received dime one or who never received full compensation.  He knew about the problem and failed to fix it and failed to fix it even after supposedly he hired a company to install new software.

Right now he has assigned Dane Eagle to oversee the department. I've met Dane in person and he is great in getting things done.

Once Trump leaves office, we'll see if DeSantis keeps his promises or if he caves to the leftists and shuts us down.

Trump has carried him; let's see how well he does on his own.

Based on how fervently CNN hates him, I would say he has promise.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: libertybele on January 13, 2021, 03:44:24 PM

The GOP,  once it gets over its drunken bender with the resident megalomaniac,  will do just fine.  It will continue to win elections well into the future.   There is so much real talent on our side,  some of it elevated by Trump (e.g., Pompeo)
 

Right now Trump is harming the party rather than helping, IMO,  so the faster he's consigned to the dustbin,  the better.   Honestly, the Capitol mob has erased my last vestige of empathy for the man.  What an embarrassment he has been.    And one reason for my antipathy is that he has had no appreciation for how the party has carried his water.    Loyalty to party means nothing to him.

@Jazzhead we can run as many staunch conservatives as we are able to and they won't win.  Again, what part of DEM fraud and corruption preventing the GOP from holding seats don't you get??

Loyalty to party??  It should be the other way around.  Those that we seat are elected officials and their loyalty should lay at the feet of those who voted for them. They work for us. 

I have absolutely NO loyalty to the GOP.  I have loyalty to the Constitution and to conservatives who are willing to uphold the constitution.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: libertybele on January 13, 2021, 03:47:40 PM
Based on how fervently CNN hates him, I would say he has promise.

Based on how many people haven't received a dime in unemployment compensation or haven't received full compensation, I'd say his chances are slim to none.  He narrowly won his seat by less than 1%.

I don't see another election in 2022 that isn't won by DEM fraud nor do I see any election in 2024 in the first place.

He would have to carry his own state to get the nomination and I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: skeeter on January 13, 2021, 03:51:48 PM
Based on how fervently CNN hates him, I would say he has promise.
My support of any candidate from this point forward will depend upon how strongly they oppose the leadership in both parties. The GOP can p*ss up a rope along with their rat ‘colleagues’.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: cato potatoe on January 13, 2021, 04:00:54 PM
DeSantis has been caught up in his lies. Blaming past Gov. Scott for the failure of the unemployment disaster that has taken place was one of them.  There are still people who haven't received dime one or who never received full compensation.  He knew about the problem and failed to fix it and failed to fix it even after supposedly he hired a company to install new software.

I have heard about the delays.  However, the state appears to be run efficiently in other regards.  Hawaii and Nevada have annihilated their tourism industries while Florida kept most things running.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Wingnut on January 13, 2021, 05:39:58 PM
Based on how many people haven't received a dime in unemployment compensation or haven't received full compensation, I'd say his chances are slim to none.  He narrowly won his seat by less than 1%.

I don't see another election in 2022 that isn't won by DEM fraud nor do I see any election in 2024 in the first place.

He would have to carry his own state to get the nomination and I don't see that happening.

What really gets your Desota Hate boner going?  Seriously, UE comp is your big ass speed bump?   What a joke. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 13, 2021, 06:38:03 PM
I for one could support DeSantis or Haley.   

Well...there's the kiss of death.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 13, 2021, 06:50:11 PM
I for one could support DeSantis or Haley.   Trump's political demise may be a blessing by allowing some of this cream to rise.

Haley?  Queen of the early SJW yank down statues, and flags bitch?  Yeah that's about par for you.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 07:18:12 PM
@Right_in_Virginia

You made the assertion that Congressional Rs are trying to get Trump killed,

No, I did not @HoustonSam   I made the assertion that Congressional Rs adding fuel to the frenzy are helping to put the President's safety at risk ... whether these jackasses know it or not.  Prove my assertion wrong.

Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 07:23:05 PM
Such drama.   

Oh, so you DO read my posts @Jazzhead  I've called you a drama queen for days now.

BTW, have you worked up the nerve yet to watch the videos I've been posting to you for days and answer the question I asked?

Or are you going to finally admit you're behaving like a hypocritical troll?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 07:26:08 PM

The GOP,  once it gets over its drunken bender with the resident megalomaniac,  will do just fine. 

Keep posting @Jazzhead  You're single-handedly killing the GOP. Thank you!   :bighug:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: christian on January 13, 2021, 07:36:14 PM
Choose wisely, as the democrats are seething with hate and rage towards Trump and any that haven't abandoned him.  and the democrats have impeached Trump AGAIN. and the Trump haters and covert haters of Trump still seethe with rage with hatred and intolerance wanting to lynch Trump, and its only 'fair' and equal' for it to be so.  Maybe we could have a lynch Trump topic weekly to mollify the anger, hatred, and intolerance, to be 'fair' and 'equal' of course.  It's worked great so far, hasn't it?  Visiting DU can come and feel right at home.  Maybe hold a purge or two, eh? Remember, don't criticize them, they are ultra sensitive, esp when they pee on us.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 13, 2021, 07:57:20 PM
Choose wisely, as the democrats are seething with hate and rage towards Trump and any that haven't abandoned him.  and the democrats have impeached Trump AGAIN. and the Trump haters and covert haters of Trump still seethe with rage with hatred and intolerance wanting to lynch Trump, and its only 'fair' and equal' for it to be so.  Maybe we could have a lynch Trump topic weekly to mollify the anger, hatred, and intolerance, to be 'fair' and 'equal' of course.  It's worked great so far, hasn't it?  Visiting DU can come and feel right at home.  Maybe hold a purge or two, eh? Remember, don't criticize them, they are ultra sensitive, esp when they pee on us.

Hard pass.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: HoustonSam on January 13, 2021, 08:08:51 PM
No, I did not @HoustonSam   I made the assertion that Congressional Rs adding fuel to the frenzy are helping to put the President's safety at risk ... whether these jackasses know it or not.  Prove my assertion wrong.

I've said what I'm going to say to you on this @Right_in_Virginia; you can make of it whatever you want, and readers can reach their own conclusions.

Have a good evening and Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 13, 2021, 08:45:51 PM
I've said what I'm going to say to you on this @Right_in_Virginia; you can make of it whatever you want, and readers can reach their own conclusions.

Have a good evening and Happy New Year.

Mega dittos @HoustonSam
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 14, 2021, 08:35:41 AM
Keep posting @Jazzhead  You're single-handedly killing the GOP. Thank you!   :bighug:

Don't be so sure.  The Dems know full well that the best thing they've got going for them is Donald Trump.  For four years now,  they've been adhering to their project to boost turnout in this past election by exploiting the obvious fact that nothing enrages a potential Dem voter than Trump's awfulness.  Even though Trump drew millions more votes than in 2016,  it was on the Dem side that turnout exploded.   

Then,  after Biden won,   they continued (with Trump's cooperation) to make the Georgia Senate runoffs yet another referendum on the hated Trump.   It worked again -  the Dems won because Trump reliably turned out their voters.

And now Trump will be the gift that keeps on giving.   Even as Biden says he wants normalcy,   Pelosi and Company want to make sure the first months of 2021 are highlighted by a Trump Show Trial!    Just like the communists used to do it,  coming soon to Washington, DC!    Will Trump play his assigned role - of course he will!   

The future of the GOP with Trump GONE will be a lot brighter than the chaos he's sown,  which has only helped the Democrats.   
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 14, 2021, 08:56:49 AM
Keep posting @Jazzhead  You're single-handedly killing the GOP. Thank you!   :bighug:

You really think it makes a difference what he or any of us post? I think you're overestimating the influence of this place.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 14, 2021, 09:00:17 AM
You really think it makes a difference what he or any of us post? I think you're overestimating the influence of this place.

LOL...  Allegory is apparently not in your mental toolbox is it?  99% of the other Briefers knew RIV meant him cumulatively with his ilk.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 14, 2021, 09:02:21 AM
LOL...  Allegory is apparently not in your mental toolbox is it?  99% of the other Briefers knew RIV meant him cumulatively with his ilk.

Thanks for the insult. BTW, what do you think the word "single-handedly" mean? Doesn't sound like cumulative to me, unless your understanding of the English language is different than mine.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 14, 2021, 09:08:42 AM
Thanks for the insult, nonetheless, I think Jazzhead is giving his opinion like we all are.

You don't think a collective of people or a movement can't single handledly (add verb)?  You might be the one needing to brush up on your usage of the English language bubba.  And Jazzy's opinion?  He's entitled to it obviously, but gets my congratulations for being the first person in my almost 5 years here to be placed on my "ignore list"  Being completely obliviously to the truth 24/7, just isn't worth listening to anymore. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 14, 2021, 10:41:48 AM
Come on guys. There are so many lefties more deserving of your anger. Why take it out on members here?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: christian on January 14, 2021, 07:19:55 PM
We need to now just all get along,now that the democrats by hook and by Crook have the upper hand.  BI-PARTISAN, BE ACCEPTING, BROTHERLY.  Don't misunderstand they are still peeing on Trump and any who still support him.  Did they mean conditional get along, or just stand still so they can pee on us more easily?  Remember Obama said something marginally the same, We won-go get 'em, sic 'em.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 14, 2021, 07:29:29 PM
Republican RINO'S..screwed themselves.  99% ALL TRAITORS.  What is to figure out? 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 14, 2021, 07:35:09 PM
If DeSantis survives, without throwing Trump under the bus in the process,  he's good to go for 2024.


We don't have a voting process any more.  DOMINION MACHINES.  ALL VOTER FRAUD.  Why are people posting as if we have an AMERICA.....left?   
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 14, 2021, 07:38:57 PM
Republican RINO'S..screwed themselves.  99% ALL TRAITORS.  What is to figure out?

No, 'traitor' would imply good faith at some point. They were never conservative to begin with... And all y'all voted em in... A lot of them yet again, even still. In that the onus is not on them.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: andy58-in-nh on January 14, 2021, 07:47:17 PM
Come on guys. There are so many lefties more deserving of your anger. Why take it out on members here?

Good question.

But in a short time, I think such anger will be redirected toward toward those who truly deserve it.
   
When one's freedom suddenly hangs in the balance, it tends to concentrate one's mind almost as remarkably as being shot at without effect.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: libertybele on January 14, 2021, 07:55:44 PM

We don't have a voting process any more.  DOMINION MACHINES.  ALL VOTER FRAUD.  Why are people posting as if we have an AMERICA.....left?

I don't know.  It's is beyond me why people keep posting about Trump or anyone running in 2024.  VOTER FRAUD ring a bell with anyone?  There's not going to be another election. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Fishrrman on January 14, 2021, 08:35:22 PM
BassWrangler wrote:
"Come on guys. There are so many lefties more deserving of your anger. Why take it out on members here?"

Because there are some here who ARE lefties. "Hiding in plain sight".

I believe there have also been some "paid disruptors", most of whom came and are now gone. Perhaps before you got here...
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: DCPatriot on January 14, 2021, 08:42:13 PM
Knowing President Trump as we do, the only way he would come back in 2024 is if he built a broader coalition/Party that appealed to some registered Democrats who would "Walk Away" from their Party.

At the age of 78, that's unlikely.

Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 14, 2021, 08:50:13 PM
Good question.

But in a short time, I think such anger will be redirected toward toward those who truly deserve it.
   
When one's freedom suddenly hangs in the balance, it tends to concentrate one's mind almost as remarkably as being shot at without effect.

One of the biggest reasons our freedom hangs in the balance are the quislings in our own party. The question is should we first expel them from the party, leave the party, or focus our attention on the Rats.

I don't see much sense in wasting time on the Rats. They have control of the executive and legislative branches. The media will back them on everything they do.

Expelling the quislings seems like a waste of time. DC corrupts more than we can replace.

I think the future is forming a 3rd party and working towards separation from the USSA.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 14, 2021, 08:53:56 PM
BassWrangler wrote:
"Come on guys. There are so many lefties more deserving of your anger. Why take it out on members here?"

Because there are some here who ARE lefties. "Hiding in plain sight".

I believe there have also been some "paid disruptors", most of whom came and are now gone. Perhaps before you got here...

And you are achieving WHAT by continuing to reply, over and over and over and over again to this one guy, who keeps saying the same things? I mean other than ruining the forum for everyone else.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 14, 2021, 08:58:27 PM
Knowing President Trump as we do, the only way he would come back in 2024 is if he built a broader coalition/Party that appealed to some registered Democrats who would "Walk Away" from their Party.

At the age of 78, that's unlikely.

I disagree. I'm not sure if he will run again, but he talks about "our movement" all the time in his speeches. If he spearheaded a 3rd party it would gain traction quicker than DC thinks.

When the establishment is so afraid of it's citizens that 20,000 armed troops have to keep the peace for a new POTUS being sworn in it sure likes they know they are not governing with the will of the people.

I don't expect any election opportunities to change the damage that is being done, but a strong 3rd party movement can lead to identifying States that want out of the USSA.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 14, 2021, 08:59:58 PM
Knowing President Trump as we do, the only way he would come back in 2024 is if he built a broader coalition/Party that appealed to some registered Democrats who would "Walk Away" from their Party.

At the age of 78, that's unlikely.

I agree DC.  POTUS TRUMP WON IN 2020.  He will not come back 2024.  That is some rumor, some media started.  it was a one time event, trying to save AMERICA.  He is not a professional politician.  90 million people voted for him and many already walked away from demon-rat party. We are in a communist country now.  Why do people not see that? 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Fishrrman on January 14, 2021, 09:12:16 PM
BassWranger wrote:
"And you are achieving WHAT by continuing to reply, over and over and over and over again to this one guy, who keeps saying the same things?"

You will NEVER see me replying to him (or them).
That's what the Briefing Room's "ignore" option is about (go to your home page and check it out).

I have an uncanny ability to spot such disruptors early on.
They earn a spot on my ignore list.
And they're never removed.

Why other members of this forum refuse to do that...
... well, you'll have to ask them.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 14, 2021, 09:20:10 PM
BassWranger wrote:
"And you are achieving WHAT by continuing to reply, over and over and over and over again to this one guy, who keeps saying the same things?"

You will NEVER see me replying to him (or them).
That's what the Briefing Room's "ignore" option is about (go to your home page and check it out).

I have an uncanny ability to spot such disruptors early on.
They earn a spot on my ignore list.
And they're never removed.

Why other members of this forum refuse to do that...
... well, you'll have to ask them.

The problem isn't Jazzhead - I can put him on ignore. It's the folks that keep replying to him as if they're going to convince him of anything. I must have seen 20 posts attempting to refute his assertion about election fraud. Ever hear the phrase "don't feed the troll"?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: christian on January 14, 2021, 10:08:28 PM
We need a third party for President.....Ross Perot ! ! 22222frying pan Have you seen proud as a peacock McConnell lately, he looks like some body let all the air out of him.  Arrogant ass to whipped puppy.  Do you suppose people let him know how well he is appreciated ?  McConnell sucks Pelosi's....
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 14, 2021, 10:40:25 PM
We need a third party for President.....Ross Perot ! ! 22222frying pan Have you seen proud as a peacock McConnell lately, he looks like some body let all the air out of him.  Arrogant ass to whipped puppy.  Do you suppose people let him know how well he is appreciated ?  McConnell sucks Pelosi's....

If you really want a 3rd party it needs to start at the State level if it's going to work. I really wouldn't worry about the Presidency. We should know after 2020 any person who seeks to represent middle America will not be allowed to win. If a 3rd party looks to the federal govt it should be in the House and Senate where they can be a key swing vote.

Ultimately we have to accept that the globalist, self enriching, establishment would prefer to crush the deplorables economically so they never rise up again. If we truly want our freedom we need a 3rd party to leverage power and find a way to separate from the USSA.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 14, 2021, 10:42:20 PM
It's curious that no one is just advocating the replication of the Trump formula with a saner leader.   It's a lot easier than starting a third party.   
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 14, 2021, 10:44:34 PM
If you really want a 3rd party it needs to start at the State level if it's going to work. I really wouldn't worry about the Presidency. We should know after 2020 any person who seeks to represent middle America will not be allowed to win. If a 3rd party looks to the federal govt it should be in the House and Senate where they can be a key swing vote.

Ultimately we have to accept that the globalist, self enriching, establishment would prefer to crush the deplorables economically so they never rise up again. If we truly want our freedom we need a 3rd party to leverage power and find a way to separate from the USSA.

Good point. This is how we incrementally build a 3rd party.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 14, 2021, 10:54:16 PM
Good point. This is how we incrementally build a 3rd party.

But do you need to?   The existing GOP is inclined in Trump's policy direction;  it's really just a matter of getting over your butthurt that Trump was rejected for who he was.   
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 14, 2021, 11:20:33 PM
But do you need to?   The existing GOP is inclined in Trump's policy direction;  it's really just a matter of getting over your butthurt that Trump was rejected for who he was.

I've been advocating for a viable 3rd party long before Trump came on the scene. I think it's not healthy that we have only two large political parties.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 14, 2021, 11:25:20 PM
But do you need to?   The existing GOP is inclined in Trump's policy direction; 

Yes, we need to and we want to.  The existing GOP is a cesspool of corruption, kickbacks, liars and morons.  Those who agree with the President's policies will follow us to a new party --- and do so gratefully.

it's really just a matter of getting over your butthurt that Trump was rejected for who he was.

Keep posting.  You're an exquisite reminder why the Republican Party needs to die.  In fact, I'm naming *you* "Exhibit A".
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: christian on January 15, 2021, 01:19:10 PM
Lets go with a third party, lets cal it the Boston TEA PARTY !and merge it with the Ross Perot party, DOUBLE STRENGTH !

While we build a party from scratch, from people that wouldn't stand by their own successful strong party leader, Trump.  Are the delusional drugs seeping through my monitor ?

Oh yeah, remember we are going to do this with a severely overtaxed economy as Biden promised.  More jihadist coming to America blowing up sections of America like democrats beloved antifa and BLM. More jobs shipped back to China and third world Countries.  More insurrection in the streets, democrat backed and approved.  More legalized molestations of Children approved and children indoctrinated to hate America and love jihad Islam.  Yeah, you guessed it, THE UTOPIA IS HERE.  GAS PRICES, KNOWING bIDEN IS ABOUT TO TAKE POWER, HAVE GONE UP 50 CENTS A GALLON ALREADY.  Obama's gonna get his $10 a gallon gasoline yet !  Cowardice of this election is coming with a extremely high price.  The ultra-rich and democrats are laughing.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: christian on January 15, 2021, 01:23:13 PM
Quote
And all y'all voted em in...

See what happens when you listen to the wrong people?  Its YOUR fault you listened to him!
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 15, 2021, 01:36:42 PM
A third party is a vanity exercise.  If the goal is political power,  then work within the GOP - just as Trump himself did.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 15, 2021, 01:41:18 PM
A third party is a vanity exercise.  If the goal is political power,  then work within the GOP - just as Trump himself did.

These third party movement always crop up and go nowhere, remember alan keyes? Still waiting for him to make a splash as the Conservative Party nominee.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 15, 2021, 03:07:45 PM
These third party movement always crop up and go nowhere, remember alan keyes? Still waiting for him to make a splash as the Conservative Party nominee.

True. I do think at the state level it might be possible to get one going.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 15, 2021, 03:10:06 PM
A third party is a vanity exercise.  If the goal is political power,  then work within the GOP - just as Trump himself did.

And even if there is a Third Party, if they want to actually get anything done, they would still have to cooperate with the GOP to do it.  Essentially it's exactly what it is now.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 15, 2021, 03:16:20 PM
And even if there is a Third Party, if they want to actually get anything done, they would still have to cooperate with the GOP to do it.  Essentially it's exactly what it is now.

Yes, but in theory you eventually break up the two party monopoly and you get smaller parties that have to compromise and form coalitions to get anything passed. Unlike the current system where Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi control everything.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 15, 2021, 03:33:43 PM
Yes, but in theory you eventually break up the two party monopoly and you get smaller parties that have to compromise and form coalitions to get anything passed. Unlike the current system where Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi control everything.

Another thing to consider is that it will take a lot of infrastructure and working with other companies to get a party off the ground.  Now imagine the pressure on those companies to not do business with a "Trumpist Party",   now they aren't quite at the point of cutting off the Republican Party,  why reinvent the wheel? 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 15, 2021, 03:39:17 PM
Most of y'all will talk yourselves out of it. You ain't gonna leave the plantation anymore than the Blacks will. And you'll keep getting exactly what you have my whole life long.

Because going back to what hasn't ever worked is sure to work next time.

BOHICA - It should be a motto.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 15, 2021, 03:46:54 PM
Another thing to consider is that it will take a lot of infrastructure and working with other companies to get a party off the ground.  Now imagine the pressure on those companies to not do business with a "Trumpist Party",   now they aren't quite at the point of cutting off the Republican Party,  why reinvent the wheel?

I don't think the new party should have any direct association with Trump. The party can have an America First platform. It doesn't need to attach itself to Trump's hindquarters. Let Trump take his well deserved retirement from public life.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 15, 2021, 04:15:50 PM
I've been advocating for a viable 3rd party long before Trump came on the scene. I think it's not healthy that we have only two large political parties.

When you see Pub leadership voting to impeach Trump, or supporting those that do, we really don't have two parties. We have an all encompassing, corrupting, establishment and a small tough group within the Pub party who want to do the right thing.

We can't break free soon enough.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 15, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
And even if there is a Third Party, if they want to actually get anything done, they would still have to cooperate with the GOP to do it.  Essentially it's exactly what it is now.

No there's a big difference.

A true 3rd party that elects House Reps and Senators quickly becomes a key swing vote. If the two establishment parties can't secure a clear majority then they have to negotiate with the America First Party. If they just negotiate amongst themselves the new America First Party will grow in the following elections. People are fed up. The Pubs failed us, it's insane to keep trying to do the same thing and expect different results. We tried reforming the Pubs with the TEA Party movement and tried again with the MAGA movement. It's time to do something different.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 15, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Another thing to consider is that it will take a lot of infrastructure and working with other companies to get a party off the ground.  Now imagine the pressure on those companies to not do business with a "Trumpist Party",   now they aren't quite at the point of cutting off the Republican Party,  why reinvent the wheel?

There is already a large base of support in a lot of States. One of the big mistakes that's been made in the past is trying to make an impact at the federal level from the beginning. The important thing is to get the movement going in the strongest MAGA States.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 15, 2021, 04:29:05 PM
No there's a big difference.

A true 3rd party that elects House Reps and Senators quickly becomes a key swing vote. If the two establishment parties can't secure a clear majority then they have to negotiate with the America First Party. If they just negotiate amongst themselves the new America First Party will grow in the following elections. People are fed up. The Pubs failed us, it's insane to keep trying to do the same thing and expect different results. We tried reforming the Pubs with the TEA Party movement and tried again with the MAGA movement. It's time to do something different.

Yes! By way of example, look at countries with a parliamentary system (Canada, UK, Israel), and how they work to form coalitions.

Heck, some of the country's founding fathers specifically warned about the danger of political parties:

https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion (https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion)
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 15, 2021, 04:30:25 PM
I don't think the new party should have any direct association with Trump. The party can have an America First platform. It doesn't need to attach itself to Trump's hindquarters. Let Trump take his well deserved retirement from public life.

Trump is the key, even if he wants to slow down he will be needed to get things going and get most of the 75 million plus who voted for him on board.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Jazzhead on January 15, 2021, 04:45:49 PM
Trump is the key, even if he wants to slow down he will be needed to get things going and get most of the 75 million plus who voted for him on board.

Trump is key if you go the third party route.  What a third party needs is credibility,  and only Trump could provide that.    But somehow I think his next priority will be saving his businesses.    All of the events of the last several weeks have damaged his brand too.   

The GOP provides organization and credibility.   As for its brand,  that can be changed to
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: christian on January 15, 2021, 05:14:46 PM
Heres the big enigma wrapped up in a riddle. 
The leftist LIE and continue to lie!  Yeah, really they do and dupes and fools hearkened to them during the election.  Now here comes the hard part, they still give you bad advice and intend to steer you into a deep hole rendering your efforts null and void.  They not only wanted you defeated during the election, THEY STILL WANT YOU DEFEATED, HENCE BAD ADVICE THEY CONTINUE TO VEND.  Want to win, refuse to continue to be clueless and taking their bad advice.  You do provide them with plenty of laughs though.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: christian on January 15, 2021, 05:25:41 PM
The democrats voted for strong leadership slick willy, Obama and marginally Biden, regardless of their faults and there were many it worked. 
The Republicans supported Reagan who won big time, but they didn't really like him.  Wining was just not good enough.  So they then again had a strong leader in Trump,they hated and betrayed him 
A nation divided cannot stand, neither can such a huge party.  Democrats are united Commies %100, Republicans are 50% commies that would rather lose that accept a non-Commie member win the election.  As they so; GO FIGURE.  150% want America brought down to 3rd world status, and now whats to stop them ?
 Advice from Commies that want the defeat sealed permanently ? :yowsa: :chairbang: :yowsa: :silly:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 15, 2021, 05:31:48 PM
Trump is key if you go the third party route.  What a third party needs is credibility,  and only Trump could provide that.    But somehow I think his next priority will be saving his businesses.    All of the events of the last several weeks have damaged his brand too.   

The GOP provides organization and credibility.   As for its brand,  that can be changed to

After all this, do you think Trump really cares about his businesses?  He knew what was coming when he dared to challenge the Deep State,  he's enjoyed his wealth for most of his life, but he also realizes as he gets older, that in the end, you can't take it with you.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 15, 2021, 05:37:10 PM
After all this, do you think Trump really cares about his businesses?  He knew what was coming when he dared to challenge the Deep State,  he's enjoyed his wealth for most of his life, but he also realizes as he gets older, that in the end, you can't take it with you.

Never forget:  he haaaaaates Donald Trump. Protestations to the contrary.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 15, 2021, 06:51:58 PM
Liz Cheney could only get 9 Republicans to join her in her vote against Trump...an election in which the incumbent who garnered 75 million votes. 

It’s not the Republicans or Conservatives that need to form a 3rd party...it’s the squish’s like Cheney and Romney that need to get the hell out of the GOP and go firm their own third party. 

They are clearly the minority in the current GOP. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: jafo2010 on January 15, 2021, 07:31:45 PM
I think the next four years will rival the three deflationary years in the 30s that resulted in the Great Depression.  We will have similar outcomes with Biden behind the wheel.

When I was 14 years old, never having been behind the wheel of a car, my cousin(age 18) drove me to a girlfriend's house he picked up, the two of them climbed into the back seat, and he told me to drive them around, at night in the streets of Mt. Washington in Pittsburgh.  He had a column mounted standard tranny in this Mercury Comet.  I drove them around for an hour, and I was so nervous I could not look in the mirror to see what they were up to.

On Traitor Joe's best day, he will not measure up to my effort at 14 behind the wheel.  I was successful, but Traitor Joe will not generate success.  Massive unemployment, companies fleeing the USA with his tax increases, a weakened nation in every way, and ultimately mass starvation are what we should expect.  Like a movie sequel, we will experience Depression 2.  Count on it.

And with that prediction, if true, unless Congress impeaches Trump, which I believe there is a chance for that to happen, Trump would have plenty to run on again, either as a Republican, or even creating a new party.  The Republicans will not be looked at favorably either since so many of them impeached Trump.  And ten rats in the House voting to impeach Trump is a huge number from my view, particularly Republicans in leadership, i.e. Liz Cheney.  Cheney is at the top of the list of globalists that need to be primaried and removed from office. 

If the American people cannot have TERM LIMITS, then at a minimum, we should focus out efforts on getting rid of RINOs and globalists.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 15, 2021, 08:09:19 PM
Trump is the key, even if he wants to slow down he will be needed to get things going and get most of the 75 million plus who voted for him on board.

People signed on with Trump for his policies. They'll sign on with someone else if they espoused those policies, seem genuine, and seem electable. There's nothing magical about Trump.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 15, 2021, 08:11:51 PM
I think the next four years will rival the three deflationary years in the 30s that resulted in the Great Depression.  We will have similar outcomes with Biden behind the wheel.

When I was 14 years old, never having been behind the wheel of a car, my cousin(age 18) drove me to a girlfriend's house he picked up, the two of them climbed into the back seat, and he told me to drive them around, at night in the streets of Mt. Washington in Pittsburgh.  He had a column mounted standard tranny in this Mercury Comet.  I drove them around for an hour, and I was so nervous I could not look in the mirror to see what they were up to.

On Traitor Joe's best day, he will not measure up to my effort at 14 behind the wheel.  I was successful, but Traitor Joe will not generate success.  Massive unemployment, companies fleeing the USA with his tax increases, a weakened nation in every way, and ultimately mass starvation are what we should expect.  Like a movie sequel, we will experience Depression 2.  Count on it.

And with that prediction, if true, unless Congress impeaches Trump, which I believe there is a chance for that to happen, Trump would have plenty to run on again, either as a Republican, or even creating a new party.  The Republicans will not be looked at favorably either since so many of them impeached Trump.  And ten rats in the House voting to impeach Trump is a huge number from my view, particularly Republicans in leadership, i.e. Liz Cheney.  Cheney is at the top of the list of globalists that need to be primaried and removed from office. 

If the American people cannot have TERM LIMITS, then at a minimum, we should focus out efforts on getting rid of RINOs and globalists.

I'm with you on the Biden predictions, with one small footnote which is that Biden won't actually be the one making these policies.

Regarding Trump, hard pass. He needs to just go away.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: dfwgator on January 15, 2021, 08:15:00 PM
People signed on with Trump for his policies. They'll sign on with someone else if they espoused those policies, seem genuine, and seem electable. There's nothing magical about Trump.

Good luck finding that 'someone else'.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 15, 2021, 08:17:49 PM
Good luck finding that 'someone else'.

Were talking about candidates at the state level here.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 15, 2021, 08:23:21 PM
People signed on with Trump for his policies. They'll sign on with someone else if they espoused those policies, seem genuine, and seem electable. There's nothing magical about Trump.

Absolutely there is!  NO ONE ELSE ESPOUSED THOSE POLICIES or plans.  THAT is the issue.  POTUS TRUMP IS MAGICAL.  ANYONE EVER WALK OVER INTO DMZ OF North Korea?  NO.  LEADERS ARE SUPPORTING POTUS TRUMP AGAINST TWITTER CENSORSHIP.  I forgot to see if you are male.  Then you espouse male TRUMP ENVY.  lol
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 16, 2021, 05:44:05 PM
Absolutely there is!  NO ONE ELSE ESPOUSED THOSE POLICIES or plans.  THAT is the issue.  POTUS TRUMP IS MAGICAL.  ANYONE EVER WALK OVER INTO DMZ OF North Korea?  NO.  LEADERS ARE SUPPORTING POTUS TRUMP AGAINST TWITTER CENSORSHIP.  I forgot to see if you are male.  Then you espouse male TRUMP ENVY.  lol

He was definitely the first. Let's see what happens. It's possible his ignominious end will discourage any successor. I hope not, because I think Trump's political future is over.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: Mesaclone on January 16, 2021, 06:16:02 PM
He was definitely the first. Let's see what happens. It's possible his ignominious end will discourage any successor. I hope not, because I think Trump's political future is over.

Ignominious? Nope.

Over? Just begun, second term coming in 2024 and the party will shape itself to the policies he has fought so hard to advance. Anything less than that, and the Dems will crush this nation under their spiked heels...as we have no one else who is strong enough to face the onslaught the Left throws at every Republican president.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: DCPatriot on January 16, 2021, 09:23:09 PM
As long as President Trump keeps his faculties, there is no reason why Donald Trump, Jr., or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails.

The Great 'Brain' behind the public curtain with a 'Kissingeresque' persona.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 16, 2021, 09:26:30 PM
As long as President Trump keeps his faculties, there is no reason why Donald Trump, Jr., or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails.

The Great 'Brain' behind the public curtain with a 'Kissingeresque' persona.

Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: goatprairie on January 16, 2021, 09:28:36 PM
As long as President Trump keeps his faculties, there is no reason why Donald Trump, Jr., or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails.

The Great 'Brain' behind the public curtain with a 'Kissingeresque' persona.
"or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails."

 :facepalm2: Trump is finished and so is any member of his family who thinks about running.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 16, 2021, 09:29:32 PM
Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.

Agree. I don't think she's very charismatic or appealing to the base. Donald Jr, has a shot, though.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LMAO on January 16, 2021, 09:38:05 PM
Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.

Ditto
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: DCPatriot on January 16, 2021, 09:38:08 PM
Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.

I certainly respect that position, @txradioguy

But I can 'see' the Ivanka spots already?  It was her husband that negotiated the Middle East Foreign Policy for the POTUS.
She mind-numbing gorgeous!  And a mother of three kids right out of a Nordstrom's catalogue.

And as long as Daddy is living and breathing...and 'publicly' consulted, anything is possible.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 16, 2021, 09:44:59 PM
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.

He does!  Very much so.  YOU...have listened too much to LEFT, LYING PROPAGANDA.  And some TRUMP ENVY.  No need to put down a strong, ALPHA male. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 16, 2021, 09:49:50 PM
He was definitely the first. Let's see what happens. It's possible his ignominious end will discourage any successor. I hope not, because I think Trump's political future is over.

One more time.  POTUS TRUMP is not a professional politician.  This was a one time shot at helping America. DOING VOLUNTEER WORK.  He is not interested in any 2024 TERM. HE WON 2020. I HIGHLY DOUBT IVANKA, or any TRUMP, wants to go through this HORROR show again.  My president won 2020.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 16, 2021, 09:51:45 PM
Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.

What are those?  I need to know. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 16, 2021, 10:32:30 PM
What are those?  I need to know.

She lobbied daddy to stay in the Paris climate accords...she helped kill a proposed executive order that would have scrapped Obama-era L.G.B.T. protections...she backed backed paid family leave for federal employees...and she also pressed for "affordable" child care.

And let's not forget that until daddy ran for President she and her hubby were registered Democrats.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: bilo on January 16, 2021, 10:52:25 PM
She lobbied daddy to stay in the Paris climate accords...she helped kill a proposed executive order that would have scrapped Obama-era L.G.B.T. protections...she backed backed paid family leave for federal employees...and she also pressed for "affordable" child care.

And let's not forget that until daddy ran for President she and her hubby were registered Democrats.

All great points.

I'm really not big on "legacies".

We need Trump to get things started but once strong people emerge he needs to let them step in and start "hunting rino's and end their careers".
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 16, 2021, 11:05:04 PM
You may see it differently, I think Trump controls his emotions just fine,  a lot of it is calculated to elicit certain responses.

Yes. Listen to the CCP reporters go after him..He is calm and patient dealing with those insane questions.  OVER & OVER AGAIN.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 16, 2021, 11:11:53 PM
She lobbied daddy to stay in the Paris climate accords...she helped kill a proposed executive order that would have scrapped Obama-era L.G.B.T. protections...she backed backed paid family leave for federal employees...and she also pressed for "affordable" child care.

And let's not forget that until daddy ran for President she and her hubby were registered Democrats.

Well he didn't stay in PARIS ACCORD. L.G.B.T. protections? What is that?  Family leave is, for ALL PEOPLE'S.  Not just federal. Affordable child care?  Did we get that?  THE HORROR.  Sorry too lame. Not even radical. So much TRUMP ENVY.  It never stops.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4)
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: DCPatriot on January 17, 2021, 12:47:12 AM
Well he didn't stay in PARIS ACCORD. L.G.B.T. protections? What is that?  Family leave is, for ALL PEOPLE'S.  Not just federal. Affordable child care?  Did we get that?  THE HORROR.  Sorry too lame. Not even radical. So much TRUMP ENVY.  It never stops.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4)

More importantly, Ivanka did it.  Not Kamala Harris.  Not any Democrat!

She beat them because at the same time, her Daddy was providing an economic climate containing record employment for African-American and Hispanic Americans.

I'll take it.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2021, 05:00:06 AM
Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
By Bonchie | Jan 11, 2021 10:30 PM ET


Sometimes a take so bad comes across the wire that it’s worth using as a jumping off point for a bigger thought. That happened today in the form of an editorial put out by the Washington Examiner. In it, Tiana Lowe explains that Kevin McCarthy should be booted as House minority leader, not to be replaced with a more effective figure that Republican voters can get behind, but to be pave the way for Liz Cheney.

Yes, there are apparently people still out there that believe Liz Cheney represents the future of the party.

more
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/01/11/if-you-think-liz-cheney-is-the-future-youve-learned-absolutely-nothing-n308436

@mystery-ak

These people are formally known as "Dim-o-crats".
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2021, 05:01:55 AM
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.

@andy58-in-nh

Ahhh,you prefer being a slave of the Borg.

Good to know.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2021, 05:03:27 AM
Last one (RWR) left politics left office 32 years ago.  That breed of elephant doesn't exist anymore.   

@catfish1957

Even then the GOP "Good old Boys Club" hated him because he wasn't a trusted insider.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2021, 05:09:02 AM
What's the point then,  they are no better than Democrats.

@dfwgator  @cato potatoe

Other than us voting for our own destruction,I don't see any.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LMAO on January 17, 2021, 07:49:21 AM
Well he didn't stay in PARIS ACCORD. L.G.B.T. protections? What is that?  Family leave is, for ALL PEOPLE'S.  Not just federal. Affordable child care?  Did we get that?  THE HORROR.  Sorry too lame. Not even radical. So much TRUMP ENVY.  It never stops.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4)


So you asked for examples of Ivanka Trump’s  liberal beliefs and when @txradioguy points them out to you your only response is to  lash out at him and name call

This is the kind of behavior progressives engage in




Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: andy58-in-nh on January 17, 2021, 09:23:30 AM
@andy58-in-nh

Ahhh,you prefer being a slave of the Borg.

Good to know.

Ummm. right. That's why my TBR avatar is alcohol, tobacco and firearms.   **nononono*
 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: BassWrangler on January 17, 2021, 11:24:01 AM
Ummm. right. That's why my TBR avatar is alcohol, tobacco and firearms.   **nononono*

Now that's an ATF I can enthusiastically support.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: catfish1957 on January 17, 2021, 11:30:35 AM
Now that's an ATF I can enthusiastically support.

Now if that was Bourbon......
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 17, 2021, 05:31:45 PM
Well he didn't stay in PARIS ACCORD. L.G.B.T. protections? What is that?  Family leave is, for ALL PEOPLE'S.  Not just federal. Affordable child care?  Did we get that?  THE HORROR.  Sorry too lame. Not even radical. So much TRUMP ENVY.  It never stops.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4)

This is why no one here takes you seriously.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 17, 2021, 05:32:51 PM

So you asked for examples of Ivanka Trump’s  liberal beliefs and when @txradioguy points them out to you your only response is to  lash out at him and name call

This is the kind of behavior progressives engage in

And the thing is there are other examples...those were just the ones that came to mind without a Google search. 
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2021, 07:23:04 PM
And the thing is there are other examples...those were just the ones that came to mind without a Google search.

@txradioguy   @LMAO

Would someone kindly point out to me which offices Ivanka has been elected to hold?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 17, 2021, 07:26:50 PM
@txradioguy   @LMAO

Would someone kindly point out to me which offices Ivanka has been elected to hold?

Like Jared...she was an unelected senior advisor.  You know this...don't be obtuse about it.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LMAO on January 17, 2021, 07:29:43 PM
And the thing is there are other examples...those were just the ones that came to mind without a Google search.

Well you just have male  Trump Envy!!!   :tongue2:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2021, 07:29:58 PM
Like Jared...she was an unelected senior advisor.  You know this...don't be obtuse about it.

@txradioguy

If you are trying to say they didn't hole any public office and had no authority to do anything,why not just go ahead and say it?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: GtHawk on January 17, 2021, 08:07:06 PM
As long as President Trump keeps his faculties, there is no reason why Donald Trump, Jr., or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails.

The Great 'Brain' behind the public curtain with a 'Kissingeresque' persona.
Wait, we didn't want Bush, Clinton or any other dynasties but Trump dynasty is good? Thank you, no thank you I don't want any dynasties, not Trump nor any other.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 17, 2021, 08:11:38 PM
Wait, we didn't want Bush, Clinton or any other dynasties but Trump dynasty is good? Thank you, no thank you I don't want any dynasties, not Trump nor any other.

YEP. I ain't WANTED any of em since Reagan. We don't need no dang kings.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 17, 2021, 08:21:55 PM
@txradioguy

If you are trying to say they didn't hole any public office and had no authority to do anything,why not just go ahead and say it?

Not even close to the point I'm trying to make.  But the you already know that.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 17, 2021, 08:22:21 PM
Wait, we didn't want Bush, Clinton or any other dynasties but Trump dynasty is good? Thank you, no thank you I don't want any dynasties, not Trump nor any other.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: libertybele on January 17, 2021, 08:24:32 PM
Wait, we didn't want Bush, Clinton or any other dynasties but Trump dynasty is good? Thank you, no thank you I don't want any dynasties, not Trump nor any other.

I certainly don't like the liberalism that Ivanka is behind and I've never trusted Jared.  They should have never been near the WH period.

With amnesty being granted, there is no way another GOP is going to be seated; besides the DEMS have fraudulent voting down to a science.  So...another Trump isn't going to be seated.

As for dynasties. We're about to see another one unveiled; just wait till Joe steps down and Harris becomes Prez, we'll see Michelle as her VP! I think later on we'll likely see Chelsea Clinton get her feet wet.  Just what we don't need -- more political dynasties.

Trump had his 4 years while his sons ran his businesses. His kids helped him campaign.  That's enough.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 17, 2021, 08:28:44 PM
I certainly don't like the liberalism that Ivanka is behind and I've never trusted Jared.  They should have never been near the WH period.

With amnesty being granted, there is no way another GOP is going to be seated; besides the DEMS have fraudulent voting down to a science.  So...another Trump isn't going to be seated.

As for dynasties. We're about to see another one unveiled; just wait till Joe steps down and Harris becomes Prez, we'll see Michelle as her VP! I think later on we'll likely see Chelsea Clinton get her feet wet.  Just what we don't need -- more political dynasties.

Trump had his 4 years while his sons ran his businesses. His kids helped him campaign.  That's enough.

QFT
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 17, 2021, 08:31:01 PM
I certainly don't like the liberalism that Ivanka is behind and I've never trusted Jared.  They should have never been near the WH period.

And it says here, the apple don't fall far from the horse if you know what I mean...  :whistle:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LMAO on January 17, 2021, 08:32:54 PM
In your dreams you unserious idiot.

There is nothing Trump has or is for me to be jealous of.

@txradioguy

You misinterpreted my reply to you. I wasn’t suggesting that you have male Trump envy. I was giving you the typical LA’s  response to any criticism regarding Trump in jest

Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 17, 2021, 08:33:03 PM
In your dreams you unserious idiot.

There is nothing Trump has or is for me to be jealous of.

I do believe that was @LMAO simply mocking the one you should be referring to...
She tries to pull that 'tump envy' crap all the time...
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 17, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
@txradioguy

You misinterpreted my reply to you. I wasn’t suggesting that you have male Trump envy. I was giving you the typical LA’s  response to any criticism regarding Trump in jest

... And there ya go... I caught on, jussayin...
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 17, 2021, 08:35:39 PM
I do believe that was @LMAO simply mocking the one you should be referring to...
She tries to pull that 'tump envy' crap all the time...

You're right...and in hindsight @LMAO was mocking @LegalAmerican and I deleted my post.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: txradioguy on January 17, 2021, 08:36:16 PM
@txradioguy

You misinterpreted my reply to you. I wasn’t suggesting that you have male Trump envy. I was giving you the typical LA’s  response to any criticism regarding Trump in jest

You're right and I corrected my mistake.  My apologies.
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: LMAO on January 17, 2021, 08:45:05 PM
You're right and I corrected my mistake.  My apologies.


 :beer:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: roamer_1 on January 17, 2021, 09:11:23 PM
You're right...and in hindsight @LMAO was mocking @LegalAmerican and I deleted my post.


Well I would delete mine too with the record corrected... but that would probably just make more confusion than it is worth.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2021, 09:19:32 PM
Not even close to the point I'm trying to make.  But the you already know that.

@txradioguy

OK, so what were you trying to say?
Title: Re: Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2021, 09:25:28 PM

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I certainly don't like the liberalism that Ivanka is behind and I've never trusted Jared.
 

@libertybele

I don't believe I have ever heard her express any political belief,and WTH would vote for Jared? He has never held office or done anything else other than hang on to his father's coat tails.

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They should have never been near the WH period.

Uhhh,you DO know they were related to the President,and that the President lived there,right?

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With amnesty being granted, there is no way another GOP is going to be seated


Maybe a dedicated and trusted RINO like JEB Bush,but that's about it. Since Babs has died there hasn't been a real man IN the whole damn Bush Clan,so I see them scrambling just to try to hold on to what they have.