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Title: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 12:08:31 PM
 
Trump says he would vote for a gay president

Tim Fitzsimons 16 hrs ago

President Donald Trump said in an interview Thursday that he would be open to voting for a gay candidate for president.

"Would Americans vote for a gay man to be president?" Fox News journalist Geraldo Rivera asked 40 minutes into an episode of his podcast, "Roadkill With Geraldo."

"I think so," Trump said. "I think there would be some that wouldn't, and I wouldn't be among that group, to be honest with you."

"I think that it doesn't seem to be hurting Pete 'Boot-edge-edge,'" Trump said of the openly gay presidential contender, slowly using the phonetic pronunciation of the former South Bend, Indiana, mayor's Maltese surname.

"But there would certainly be a group," the president repeated, "that probably wouldn't. But you and I would not be in that group."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-would-vote-for-a-gay-president/ar-BBZYKo2?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-would-vote-for-a-gay-president/ar-BBZYKo2?ocid=spartanntp)
"We would not," Rivera responded.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 12:12:29 PM
After knowing what the homosexual agenda has done to this nation.  I am one that is all for people doing what they want in their own bedrooms as long as it isn't a crime.  But the homosexuals have sued people.  Have been homosexualizing (word) this country for probably better than 20 years.  It hasn't been about personal relationships.  Its about exposing yourselves in public during gay pride.  Its about painting sidewalks with gay rainbows.  And most of all changing the church. 

What has happened to the Republican party?  Used to support marriage act.  Now we want gay presidents.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 12:19:54 PM
After knowing what the homosexual agenda has done to this nation.  I am one that is all for people doing what they want in their own bedrooms as long as it isn't a crime.  But the homosexuals have sued people.  Have been homosexualizing (word) this country for probably better than 20 years.  It hasn't been about personal relationships.  Its about exposing yourselves in public during gay pride.  Its about painting sidewalks with gay rainbows.  And most of all changing the church. 

What has happened to the Republican party?  Used to support marriage act.  Now we want gay presidents.

It's also about openly condemning and punishing anyone who dares say that homosexuality is a sin and that marriage is between a man and a woman.

It's far more perverse than even the filthy "gay" parades.  It's about destroying the moral fabric of the country and marginalizing anyone who stands for it as having some sort of mental illness.

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 14, 2020, 12:57:43 PM
So, if he has made mentions of wanting to be President for life, and says he would vote for a gay President... would that mean he's actually in the closet?  :pondering:

(that's a joke, btw)
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 14, 2020, 01:49:39 PM
I realize that facts may not matter to this discussion, but Trump did not say he "would" vote for a homosexual, but only that a person's homosexuality would not to Trump be an absolute bar to voting for him/her.

IOW, the OP article title misrepresents what Trump said. Unsurprisingly.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: XenaLee on February 14, 2020, 01:52:37 PM
I realize that facts may not matter to this discussion, but Trump did not say he "would" vote for a homosexual, but only that a person's homosexuality would not to Trump be an absolute bar to voting for him/her.

IOW, the OP article title misrepresents what Trump said. Unsurprisingly.

Well... they're desperate to find something, anything, they can use to turn off enough Trump voters.  If they can present Trump as "pro-homo"... it would, they hope, turn off enough of his Christian/evengelical supporters.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 01:55:40 PM
I realize that facts may not matter to this discussion, but Trump did not say he "would" vote for a homosexual, but only that a person's homosexuality would not to Trump be an absolute bar to voting for him/her.

IOW, the OP article title misrepresents what Trump said. Unsurprisingly.

Actually, that IS what he said.  That he wouldn’t be in the group that wouldn’t vote for a homosexual.

No need to spin this one.

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 14, 2020, 01:55:59 PM
It is up to the electorate to deny him that opportunity...'nuff said.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Hoodat on February 14, 2020, 01:56:15 PM
What has happened to the Republican party?  Used to support marriage act.  Now we want gay presidents.

Lies make Jesus cry.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 01:56:50 PM
Well... they're desperate to find something, anything, they can use to turn off enough Trump voters.  If they can present Trump as "pro-homo"... it would, they hope, turn off enough of his Christian/evengelical supporters.

Except that’s what he said.

Agree with it or not, it’s what he said.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: skeeter on February 14, 2020, 01:58:43 PM
I realize that facts may not matter to this discussion, but Trump did not say he "would" vote for a homosexual, but only that a person's homosexuality would not to Trump be an absolute bar to voting for him/her.

IOW, the OP article title misrepresents what Trump said. Unsurprisingly.

Facts are immaterial where there's an opportunity to hyperventilate about Trump.

My two cents - being a homosexual is no more disqualifying for the office than any other sin we are all guilty of. Being open about it would determine whether I would support him/her.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 01:59:05 PM
It is up to the electorate to deny him that opportunity...'nuff said.

It’s up to the Dem primary voters to deny him the opportunity.

Can we depend on them?  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
Well... they're desperate to find something, anything, they can use to turn off enough Trump voters.  If they can present Trump as "pro-homo"... it would, they hope, turn off enough of his Christian/evengelical supporters.

Well, I read and re-read it.  Donald Trump said he would be open to voting for a gay president.  So I am responsible for promoting Trump as "pro-homo"?  I think he did that himself.  But don't worry about Evangelicals.  They have Jerry Jr. and his gay escapades.  They haven't folded yet even though Jerry Jr.  runs one of the biggest Christian Universities but never mentions God in his twitter.  Only his fabricated god Trump.


https://twitter.com/JerryFalwellJr/status/1023267457304326145 (https://twitter.com/JerryFalwellJr/status/1023267457304326145)

https://christiannews.net/2018/08/07/jerry-falwell-jr-to-pen-political-book-with-gay-marriage-advocate-evolution-adherent-jimmy-carter/ (https://christiannews.net/2018/08/07/jerry-falwell-jr-to-pen-political-book-with-gay-marriage-advocate-evolution-adherent-jimmy-carter/)

https://www.advocate.com/news/2019/6/19/pool-boy-racy-pics-gay-friendly-motel-sully-falwells-holy-image (https://www.advocate.com/news/2019/6/19/pool-boy-racy-pics-gay-friendly-motel-sully-falwells-holy-image)

Michael Cohen Just Outed Jerry Falwell Jr. As A Total Pervert
By Carissa House-Dunphy -
May 7, 2019

https://bipartisanreport.com/2019/05/07/michael-cohen-just-outed-jerry-falwell-jr-as-a-total-pervert/ (https://bipartisanreport.com/2019/05/07/michael-cohen-just-outed-jerry-falwell-jr-as-a-total-pervert/)
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
Facts are immaterial where there's an opportunity to hyperventilate about Trump.

Or hyperventilate on his behalf.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 02:00:58 PM
Or hyperventilate on his behalf.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: skeeter on February 14, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
Or hyperventilate on his behalf.
:tongue2:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 02:15:12 PM
:tongue2:

Back atcha!  :beer:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: mountaineer on February 14, 2020, 02:41:15 PM
Every person for whom I've ever cast a vote, whether for president, senator, county commissioner, was a sinner - just like I am - at the time he or she ran for office. I knew it, and still voted.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: oldno7 on February 14, 2020, 02:42:26 PM
Well now--if Trump supports it, dems hate it.

What a sneaky move to make democrats hate gays. :rolling:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: mountaineer on February 14, 2020, 02:43:22 PM
Well now--if Trump supports it, dems hate it.

What a sneaky move to make democrats hate gays. :rolling:
Reverse psychology, of course!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 02:46:57 PM
Every person for whom I've ever cast a vote, whether for president, senator, county commissioner, was a sinner - just like I am - at the time he or she ran for office. I knew it, and still voted.  :shrug:

Well you wouldn't if you suspected they were going to further shove their agenda down your throat.

1. Government encouragement, support and even requirement of sex education courses, prepared and taught by homosexual women and men, presenting homosexuality — and homosexual sex acts — as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle and a viable alternative to heterosexuality (for a recent summary of the queering of sex education in America, click HERE, and for a blatant admission that gay activists want to indoctrinate your kids, click HERE). This is where your children are taught details about homosexual sex acts and forced to commit them. (See 12, 20 and 21);
2. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent (making your children open season for pedophiles);
3. Repeal of all laws that restrict the gender or number of persons entering into a marriage unit;
4. Extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit, regardless of gender or numbers;
5. Addition of “sexual orientation” to the list of minorities protected by anti-discrimination laws (this would be the first people group in America granted such status based upon volitional behavior rather than upon immutable characteristics, such as gender or race);
6. Deny tax-exempt status to organizations and institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people (this would include Christian churches and para-church ministries);
7. Deny federal funding to institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people (this would include Christian colleges and universities and para-church ministries);
8. Passage of “hate crimes” laws in all 50 states (regardless of the fact that such laws violate the U.S. Constitution);
9. Passage of laws making it criminal to have thoughts and speech of a “homophobic” nature (regardless of the fact that such laws violate the U.S. Constitution);
10. Permeate every level of government with gay-friendly officials (to codify the gay agenda);
11. Demand legalized same-sex marriage, thereby wrecking the traditional institution of marriage (for a recent admission of this intent by a pro-gay activist, click HERE);
12. Attack the Bible, especially where homosexuality is condemned, and make it appear that God does not condemn homosexuality by inventing new interpretations of selected verses (7);
13. Win over Christian churches and denominations, thereby neutralizing the greatest obstacle to the homosexual movement (7);
14. Partner with the liberal media in mounting a propaganda campaign to win over the majority of heterosexuals to the homosexual movement;
15. Portray homosexuals as victims, instead of aggressive challengers;
16. Make homosexuals look good by publicizing famous homosexuals who are well-liked by the general public;
17. Make homosexuality look good by portraying lasting, committed homosexual relationships as the norm of the homosexual lifestyle (never mind the facts that such homosexual relationships are the exception rather than the rule and that promiscuity is rampant in most such relationships, relative to heterosexual marriage);
18. Make the anti-gay “victimizers” look bad by coining and repeating charges of hatred, homophobe and bigotry against anyone who does not agree with them;
19. Knowingly and intentionally propagate lies, myths and hoaxes that promote the ideals and goals of the homosexual movement, in order to win over the heterosexual majority;
20. Punish businesses that do not support the homosexual movement (e.g., boycotts, demonstrations, lawsuits and negative media blitzes).
21. Jamming. This tactic refers to the public smearing of Christians, traditionalists or anyone else who opposes the “gay” agenda in order to marginalize them and make them shut up, and it requires the full cooperation of the liberal media.

http://ipost.christianpost.com/post/the-gay-agenda-what-in-the-world-is-going-on (http://ipost.christianpost.com/post/the-gay-agenda-what-in-the-world-is-going-on)
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: mountaineer on February 14, 2020, 02:53:30 PM
Well you wouldn't if you suspected they were going to further shove their agenda down your throat.  LOL!
If I suspected a particular candidate had an agenda that I considered wrong, I wouldn't vote for that person - regardless of his or her bedroom behavior.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 03:05:56 PM
If I suspected a particular candidate had an agenda that I considered wrong, I wouldn't vote for that person - regardless of his or her bedroom behavior.

Well I don't know where you live but most of them do.  Try living in one of the most gay cities and you would know they all have that agenda.

Also the most gay cities in America are run by the liberals.  Might not say much to you, but it says a lot to me.

They will allow everything.  Is it any wonder that San Francisco is overrun with human crap?  No, because San Francisco is a everything goes place.

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One thing leads to another.  Gay scene, drugs, violence...…………..

If you want to vote for the homosexual agenda go ahead.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Absalom on February 14, 2020, 03:38:51 PM
Referring to the ideas of Edmund Burke, in his "The Conservative Mind"
Russell Kirk articulated 10 core Principles, among them:
"The Family Unit of Father, Mother, Son and Daughter is the foundational
core and essence of culture/society within the nation/state."
As such, any attitude, behavior, impulse or sentiment that harms the
Family Unit is condemned/forbidden which includes abortion, homosexuality,
incest, transgenderism; among others.
So much for Trump's Conservatism!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Once-Ler on February 14, 2020, 03:47:47 PM
After knowing what the homosexual agenda has done to this nation.  I am one that is all for people doing what they want in their own bedrooms as long as it isn't a crime.  But the homosexuals have sued people.  Have been homosexualizing (word) this country for probably better than 20 years.  It hasn't been about personal relationships.  Its about exposing yourselves in public during gay pride.  Its about painting sidewalks with gay rainbows.  And most of all changing the church. 

What has happened to the Republican party?  Used to support marriage act.  Now we want gay presidents.

To be fair to President Trump he didn't say he "wants gay Presidents."
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 14, 2020, 03:47:57 PM
It would be one thing to adapt to the 'first mister' if the POTUS was a woman.
Quite another if the POTUS was male.

I can't help but consider how that would impact the impression of this country worldwide, first off, not to mention complicate any interaction with Muslim nations or ministers.

It is a road we definitely do not need to take.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 03:51:02 PM
To be fair to President Trump he didn't say he "wants gay Presidents."

Absolutely.  We need to be fair.  He said he would vote for one.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 14, 2020, 03:59:17 PM
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Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Mesaclone on February 14, 2020, 04:10:34 PM
I would hope anyone would vote for a gay president...as making "gayness" a disqualifier would be idiotic. As mentioned above, if being a sinner is a disqualifier for the Presidency we're in deep doo-doo.

Now, voting for someone favoring a liberal gay agenda would be a whole different thing altogether. If you think all homosexuals are liberal supporters of the items you listed as part of the Left's "gay agenda"...well, you might as well be a flat earther or intellectually vacuous enough to think the world is 5300 years old.

Personally, I could give two hoots about what happens in someone else's bedroom...on the other hand...I certainly care about political agendas. And THAT is all that Trump was saying.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 04:34:46 PM
I would hope anyone would vote for a gay president...as making "gayness" a disqualifier would be idiotic. As mentioned above, if being a sinner is a disqualifier for the Presidency we're in deep doo-doo.

Now, voting for someone favoring a liberal gay agenda would be a whole different thing altogether. If you think all homosexuals are liberal supporters of the items you listed as part of the Left's "gay agenda"...well, you might as well be a flat earther or intellectually vacuous enough to think the world is 5300 years old.

Personally, I could give two hoots about what happens in someone else's bedroom...on the other hand...I certainly care about political agendas. And THAT is all that Trump was saying.

Well, I think it would be silly to say that there isn't a gay agenda.  I wouldn't want to see a gay president because there are already many gay politicians who are where they are to push their agenda. 

Its just another immoral slide for America.  The idea of a gay president.   We have come very far in just a few short years when the Republican party was the party to stand for marriage being one man and one woman.

And when America no longer values basic moral principles we are doomed to failure.  The marriage act wasn't about what people do in their bedrooms.  It was about upholding family values.  Apparently they no longer exist.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: truth_seeker on February 14, 2020, 04:43:29 PM
I realize that facts may not matter to this discussion, but Trump did not say he "would" vote for a homosexual, but only that a person's homosexuality would not to Trump be an absolute bar to voting for him/her.

IOW, the OP article title misrepresents what Trump said. Unsurprisingly.


Not surprised since the OP suffers from extreme TDS. But the misrepresentations like hers, are just fine here, and represent a "protected slass," evidenced by fast Mod interventions.

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 05:10:10 PM
Well, I think it would be silly to say that there isn't a gay agenda.  I wouldn't want to see a gay president because there are already many gay politicians who are where they are to push their agenda. 

Its just another immoral slide for America.  The idea of a gay president.   We have come very far in just a few short years when the Republican party was the party to stand for marriage being one man and one woman.

And when America no longer values basic moral principles we are doomed to failure.  The marriage act wasn't about what people do in their bedrooms.  It was about upholding family values.  Apparently they no longer exist.

The Republican Party made it very clear that morality/ethics/integrity were no longer a priority when it nominated our current President.

Apparently an 'ends justifies the means' Populism has taken over and neither party now supports the values that the country requires to survive.

It's not about not caring what people do "in their bedrooms." (A flimsy excuse, if ever there was one).  It's giving up on the foundation of society...... the family........ and the values it takes to keep it intact.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 05:12:30 PM
Not surprised since the OP suffers from extreme TDS. But the misrepresentations like hers, are just fine here, and represent a "protected slass," evidenced by fast Mod interventions.

How can one "misrepresent" the words that Trump actually said when one says what he actually said?

And why, in heaven's name, should the Mods intervene when someone posts an article that says what the President actually said?

Is there some loyalty oath here that no one has ever mentioned before?  Some requirement to hide the truth??
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Mesaclone on February 14, 2020, 05:13:08 PM
Well, I think it would be silly to say that there isn't a gay agenda.  I wouldn't want to see a gay president because there are already many gay politicians who are where they are to push their agenda. 

Its just another immoral slide for America.  The idea of a gay president.   We have come very far in just a few short years when the Republican party was the party to stand for marriage being one man and one woman.

And when America no longer values basic moral principles we are doomed to failure.  The marriage act wasn't about what people do in their bedrooms.  It was about upholding family values.  Apparently they no longer exist.

Who ever said there's not a gay agenda? There's also a black agenda...does that mean we can't vote for a Herman Cain or admire a Clarence Thomas? That's absurd. There's a difference between a candidate who is gay...and a candidate advocating a gay agenda. Simply being gay cannot and is not a disqualifier.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 05:20:56 PM
The Republican Party made it very clear that morality/ethics/integrity were no longer a priority when it nominated our current President.

Apparently an 'ends justifies the means' Populism has taken over and neither party now supports the values that the country requires to survive.

It's not about not caring what people do "in their bedrooms." (A flimsy excuse, if ever there was one).  It's giving up on the foundation of society...... the family........ and the values it takes to keep it intact.

Amen.  This country is on a moral decline.  First it was our churches and now everything goes.  Which is why the agenda was about God and the church.  To destroy the moral fabric of our families.  To make God an outlaw.  So it seems very fitting that the President that has the support of Christians in America would advocate for gay president.   Its been one step at a time.  Gay minister.  Gay marriage.  And probably soon coming gay president.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 14, 2020, 05:41:42 PM
Not surprised since the OP suffers from extreme TDS. But the misrepresentations like hers, are just fine here, and represent a "protected slass," evidenced by fast Mod interventions.

We're in search of somebody who has experience herding cats.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 05:45:12 PM
Amen.  This country is on a moral decline.  First it was our churches and now everything goes.  Which is why the agenda was about God and the church.  To destroy the moral fabric of our families.  To make God an outlaw.  So it seems very fitting that the President that has the support of Christians in America would advocate for gay president.   Its been one step at a time.  Gay minister.  Gay marriage.  And probably soon coming gay president.

Not only that, but the demonization of those of us who still maintain the same moral values that made this country, not only great, but good.

I have seen memes on FB where Jesus was wearing a rainbow robe, and condemning those of us who believe homosexuality is a sin as being filled with hate and not like HIM.

It is entirely lost on them that God condemns ALL sin, that we are ALL sinners, but that we can love others without saying their sin is not sin.

The agenda has sunk deep inside the Church, and is tearing us apart.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 05:47:49 PM
We're in search of somebody who has experience herding cats.

There was nothing wrong going on on this thread until t_s showed up to attack the forum for continuing to allow a variance of opinion.

Thanks for not shutting down all dialogue in favor of the desired groupthink that condemns the freedom that made this a great forum.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: truth_seeker on February 14, 2020, 06:00:38 PM
Which paragraph in  the Constitution/ammendments deals with homosexuality?

I fail to find it in the Founders' papers.

I missed that in middle school civics, HS history, Business Law, Real Estate Law, etc.

I don't recall hearing about it as an early supporter of then Gov. Reagan.

Therefore to me, it is mainly an obsession of a certain susbet of religios Christians, and muslims, in America and foreign cultures.

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Mod5 on February 14, 2020, 06:28:06 PM
Not surprised since the OP suffers from extreme TDS. But the misrepresentations like hers, are just fine here, and represent a "protected slass," evidenced by fast Mod interventions.

All present are free to respond to her "misrepresentations". But not to attack her. That applies to any/every member. Regarding fast or slow, Mods respond to what they see when they see it. No member is singled out for "protection".
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: truth_seeker on February 14, 2020, 06:31:59 PM
So it seems very fitting that the President that has the support of Christians in America would advocate for gay president.   
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Now Tump is "advocating for a gay president?"

What "Bullshit!!!!" Too bad TDS  is a protected class.

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 14, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Which paragraph in  the Constitution/ammendments deals with homosexuality?

I fail to find it in the Founders' papers.

I missed that in middle school civics, HS history, Business Law, Real Estate Law, etc.

I don't recall hearing about it as an early supporter of then Gov. Reagan.

Therefore to me, it is mainly an obsession of a certain susbet of religios Christians, and muslims, in America and foreign cultures.
So you went to school in or before the 70s when the "love that dared not speak" was still quiet. Now it won't shut up.

Funny, the Founders didn't write about cell phones, or computer hacks, not a word.
But they read about the demise of Sodom and Gomorrah. What was there to discuss?

One of the things which defines civilization is the ability to rear children in a stable environment and teach them their own culture. Traditional (one man and one woman) marriage has ever been that bastion of Western Civilization, providing the stable social base that enabled that. You didn't hear much about divorce in those days, either. It wasn't so common. For good, bad, or indifferent, those unions were less capriciously entered into, and more tenaciously defended, and that contributed to that stability.

You don't find any sort of sexuality mentioned in the US Constitution. There was an overwhelming "subset" of behaviour which conformed to the Judeo-Christian religious definition of marriage, practiced in the Churches which oversaw the formalizing of those unions. Anything else must have been dealt with with discretion. So, not much to talk about.

It wasn't mentioned in Civics classes (gone the way of the dinosaur, now), nor in HS History, except (again) Sodom and Gomorrah. It wasn't a matter that had been raised. People might gossip in locker rooms, but sexuality wasn't commonly discussed in public. There were still those seven words you couldn't say on television (actually more).

What amazes me now, is the fixation this formerly 'oppressed' minority (overall, a very small subset, despite its evangelical approach to adding to its numbers) has imposed on a culture and society which overwhelmingly doesn't practice it.

If you want to do whatever in your bedroom, then keep it there and quit waving it about in public.



Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2020, 08:23:03 PM
The Republican Party made it very clear that morality/ethics/integrity were no longer a priority when it nominated our current President.

Apparently an 'ends justifies the means' Populism has taken over and neither party now supports the values that the country requires to survive.

It's not about not caring what people do "in their bedrooms." (A flimsy excuse, if ever there was one).  It's giving up on the foundation of society...... the family........ and the values it takes to keep it intact.

That's exactly what it is...populism.  It isn't going to be me that keeps anyone from voting for Trump.  But I hope that good Christians who do hold to Biblical truth will be taking note.  People who can see with their own eyes that this isn't the Christian desire for this nation.  And all that say we aren't hiring a minister I say take a look.  Because if you continue to vote for people without morals the further this country erodes.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
So you went to school in or before the 70s when the "love that dared not speak" was still quiet. Now it won't shut up.

Funny, the Founders didn't write about cell phones, or computer hacks, not a word.
But they read about the demise of Sodom and Gomorrah. What was there to discuss?

One of the things which defines civilization is the ability to rear children in a stable environment and teach them their own culture. Traditional (one man and one woman) marriage has ever been that bastion of Western Civilization, providing the stable social base that enabled that. You didn't hear much about divorce in those days, either. It wasn't so common. For good, bad, or indifferent, those unions were less capriciously entered into, and more tenaciously defended, and that contributed to that stability.

You don't find any sort of sexuality mentioned in the US Constitution. There was an overwhelming "subset" of behaviour which conformed to the Judeo-Christian religious definition of marriage, practiced in the Churches which oversaw the formalizing of those unions. Anything else must have been dealt with with discretion. So, not much to talk about.

It wasn't mentioned in Civics classes (gone the way of the dinosaur, now), nor in HS History, except (again) Sodom and Gomorrah. It wasn't a matter that had been raised. People might gossip in locker rooms, but sexuality wasn't commonly discussed in public. There were still those seven words you couldn't say on television (actually more).

What amazes me now, is the fixation this formerly 'oppressed' minority (overall, a very small subset, despite its evangelical approach to adding to its numbers) has imposed on a culture and society which overwhelmingly doesn't practice it.

If you want to do whatever in your bedroom, then keep it there and quit waving it about in public.

Bravo!!!
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 14, 2020, 10:13:42 PM
Bravo!!!

@Smokin Joe certainly does have "the knack" with words.  Glad he's here.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: truth_seeker on February 14, 2020, 10:23:44 PM
https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2010/09/24/was-ronald-reagan-anti-gay/ (https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2010/09/24/was-ronald-reagan-anti-gay/)

"Reagan used both a September 24, 1978, statement and a syndicated newspaper column to campaign against the initiative. {Briggs initiative}
“Whatever else it is,” Reagan wrote, “homosexuality is not a contagious disease like the measles. Prevailing scientific opinion is that an individual’s sexuality is determined at a very early age and that a child’s teachers do not really influence this.” He also argued: “Since the measure does not restrict itself to the classroom, every aspect of a teacher’s personal life could presumably come under suspicion. What constitutes ‘advocacy’ of homosexuality? Would public opposition to Proposition 6 by a teacher — should it pass — be considered advocacy?”
That November 7, Proposition 6 lost, 41.6 percent in favor to 58.4 percent against. Reagan’s opposition is considered instrumental to its defeat.
As Aaron Goldstein noted in the American Spectator, Reagan had nothing to gain by intervening in the Prop 6 fight in 1978 and a lot to lose"

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/bulgarians/barry-goldwater.html (https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/bulgarians/barry-goldwater.html)

Ban on Gays is Senseless Attempt to Stall the Inevitable
By Barry M. Goldwater

libertarian Republiczans have typified the West for awhile; Reagan and  Goldwater being good examples
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: catfish1957 on February 14, 2020, 10:26:57 PM

Trump says he would vote for a gay president



 **nononono*
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 14, 2020, 10:32:37 PM
@Smokin Joe certainly does have "the knack" with words.  Glad he's here.

Amen! And when he speaks, he speaks the truth.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: TomSea on February 14, 2020, 10:51:36 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Grenell

Quote
Richard Allen Grenell (born September 18, 1966) is the current United States Ambassador to Germany. He is the longest serving U.S. spokesman at the United Nations.

...

In 2001, Grenell was appointed by President George W. Bush as Director of Communications and Public Diplomacy for the United States Permanent Representative to the United Nations.

Where's the cut-off in responsibility?  Grenell is gay, he has already had plenty of governmental responsibilities.

Buttigieg flaunts his homosexuality, I have no idea if Grenell is married and so on.

If the opposing candidate was Bernie Sanders, I might consider a Conservative who was also gay, I'd have to explore all avenues.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 14, 2020, 11:07:47 PM
So you went to school in or before the 70s when the "love that dared not speak" was still quiet. Now it won't shut up.

Funny, the Founders didn't write about cell phones, or computer hacks, not a word.
But they read about the demise of Sodom and Gomorrah. What was there to discuss?

One of the things which defines civilization is the ability to rear children in a stable environment and teach them their own culture. Traditional (one man and one woman) marriage has ever been that bastion of Western Civilization, providing the stable social base that enabled that. You didn't hear much about divorce in those days, either. It wasn't so common. For good, bad, or indifferent, those unions were less capriciously entered into, and more tenaciously defended, and that contributed to that stability.

You don't find any sort of sexuality mentioned in the US Constitution. There was an overwhelming "subset" of behaviour which conformed to the Judeo-Christian religious definition of marriage, practiced in the Churches which oversaw the formalizing of those unions. Anything else must have been dealt with with discretion. So, not much to talk about.

It wasn't mentioned in Civics classes (gone the way of the dinosaur, now), nor in HS History, except (again) Sodom and Gomorrah. It wasn't a matter that had been raised. People might gossip in locker rooms, but sexuality wasn't commonly discussed in public. There were still those seven words you couldn't say on television (actually more).

What amazes me now, is the fixation this formerly 'oppressed' minority (overall, a very small subset, despite its evangelical approach to adding to its numbers) has imposed on a culture and society which overwhelmingly doesn't practice it.

If you want to do whatever in your bedroom, then keep it there and quit waving it about in public.

You write very well @Smokin Joe  Your style is clear and engaging.  And, you present your thoughts without judging or belittling opinions held by others --- another gift.

I hope you're using these gifts beyond the Briefing Room. 

I'm curious --- are you involved with your local school board, church, city council or state government? 
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: truth_seeker on February 14, 2020, 11:25:02 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Grenell


If the opposing candidate was Bernie Sanders, I might consider a Conservative who was also gay, I'd have to explore all avenues.
I doubt there will be many responses, since it appears HDS (homosexuality derangement syndrome" overides all else.

Comments by Goldwater, Reagan and now Trump warrant BR denial.

HDS and TDS uber alles



Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Sighlass on February 15, 2020, 01:56:38 AM
Not surprised since the OP suffers from extreme TDS. But the misrepresentations like hers, are just fine here, and represent a "protected slass," evidenced by fast Mod interventions.

It was a thread like this that got me the boot at FR for daring to point out how Trump welcomed Bruce Jenner to use whatever restroom he wanted to use in Trump Towers...

It may get me the boot here one day, but when it comes to censoring political speech on something the President actually said, I will risk it. Trump is a NY values guy, and it shows no matter what his fan base says.

Someone upthread mentioned all folks are sinners... and that is true, but I be dang if I want to be the one that calls evil good. Homosexuals in political office is never acceptable IMHO...
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Once-Ler on February 15, 2020, 02:56:48 AM
How can one "misrepresent" the words that Trump actually said when one says what he actually said?

And why, in heaven's name, should the Mods intervene when someone posts an article that says what the President actually said?

Sometimes when the truth is revealed too quickly, often before the idea of the Devine and Constitutional infalibility of the President is accepted by a MAGA voter, President Trump's words can be misinterpreted.  Stuff like "I prefer my War Heroes don't get captured." or "Grab 'em by the pu$$y."  or "Bullshit."

Sometimes when the President reveals the holy vengeance of Trump, with a righteous rejection of all critics at the national prayer breakfast it's somehow seen as the antithisis of Christ by some.

Rather than dwell on the actual words of Trump, it is safer to pretend he meant whatever you want to believe he meant, and remember he was the one who saved Christmas.

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 15, 2020, 06:15:59 AM
You write very well @Smokin Joe  Your style is clear and engaging.  And, you present your thoughts without judging or belittling opinions held by others --- another gift.

I hope you're using these gifts beyond the Briefing Room. 

I'm curious --- are you involved with your local school board, church, city council or state government?
Thank you for your kind words. Unfortunately, my work takes me afield far too extensively to be very involved on a local level--I am just not there often enough or predictably enough, though I contribute what I can, when I can.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 15, 2020, 06:21:10 AM
I doubt there will be many responses, since it appears HDS (homosexuality derangement syndrome" overides all else.

Comments by Goldwater, Reagan and now Trump warrant BR denial.

HDS and TDS uber alles
Why is it you contend that being morally opposed to something is a "Derangement syndrome"? Do we all have "Socialism Derangement Syndrome"? Or "Hillary Derangement Syndrome"?

Perhaps the derangement is in supporting something most folks find unsupportable, for whatever reason, or maybe we could simply disagree without trying to make it a psychological condition?

If you know of a culture or country where the majority were homosexuals that lasted perhaps you could cite them as an example of how that brought stability to the society.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: catfish1957 on February 15, 2020, 06:39:01 AM
Why is it you contend that being morally opposed to something is a "Derangement syndrome"? Do we all have "Socialism Derangement Syndrome"? Or "Hillary Derangement Syndrome"?

Perhaps the derangement is in supporting something most folks find unsupportable, for whatever reason, or maybe we could simply disagree without trying to make it a psychological condition?

If you know of a culture or country where the majority were homosexuals that lasted perhaps you could cite them as an example of how that brought stability to the society.

Maybe I am from an older generation, that viewed homoseuxality as abnormal.  Back in the day, i considered myself pretty tolerant (say versus my peers) around this specific demographic. A live and let live philosophy.   Then at somepoint that I can't pinpoint,  that demographic suddenly became militant,  belligerent, and left wing.  Nowadays, that lifestyle is force fed to us in mass quantities in the media,and I do not like it one bit.  My level of tolerance has dropped proportionally. 
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 15, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
Maybe I am from an older generation, that viewed homoseuxality as abnormal.  Back in the day, i considered myself pretty tolerant (say versus my peers) around this specific demographic. A live and let live philosophy.   Then at somepoint that I can't pinpoint,  that demographic suddenly became militant,  belligerent, and left wing.  Nowadays, that lifestyle is force fed to us in mass quantities in the media,and I do not like it one bit.  My level of tolerance has dropped proportionally.
That is my situation as well. Coming out of their closets, well, we knew they were in there. We'd seen Liberace, but it didn't stop there, suddenly parading down the street and invading the schools, schools which we had been told we  couldn't pray to the very God that annihilated Sodom and Gomorrah.

I used to smoke cigarettes, and when I did, I was considerate--especially in enclosed spaces. I asked, and if people minded, I didn't. When the concept of non-smoking areas in restaurants came around, I was all for it, not just out of consideration, but to bring an end to complaints. A fairly large local restaurant went to considerable expense to set up their non-smoking area, separated by glass partitions and with a separate HVAC system that kept the air pressure in the smoking section slightly lower than in the rest of the restaurant, with the effect that you could stand by the open doorway and not smell the smoke inside. Shortly after that, anti-tobacco jihadis decided that smokers had no place indoors (in North Dakota!) and the restaurants, and taverns, lounges, and downtown working class (and even 'skid row') bars were suddenly required by law to be smoke free. Then you had to be outside and 50' from the door to have a cigarette. Not just relegated to the back of the bus, but kicked off.
 
Tolerance is one thing. Even (what I consider) reasonable accommodation is okay, but I have found through experience that anyone who wants to encroach on what I do, how I live, how many lawn gnomes I can have in the yard, whatever, is someone to be viewed with great suspicion, to be watched vigilantly, who more often than not will try to impose their little tyrannies on me. I no longer give that inch.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2020, 08:19:50 AM
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,391859.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,391859.0.html)
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Hoodat on February 15, 2020, 11:02:06 AM
Other than my wife, I really don't care what adult anyone else prefers to have sex with.  As long as there is no opportunity for blackmail, it shouldn't matter.  To not vote for someone because they are homosexual is just as egregious as voting for someone because they are.  And Buttigieg is the one who deserves blame here because he is the one injecting his personal sexual preference into the campaign.  And by doing so, he reveals that acceptance of his lifestyle choice is a much higher priority than actually running the country.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
The Republican Party made it very clear that morality/ethics/integrity were no longer a priority when it nominated our current President.

Apparently an 'ends justifies the means' Populism has taken over and neither party now supports the values that the country requires to survive.

It's not about not caring what people do "in their bedrooms." (A flimsy excuse, if ever there was one).  It's giving up on the foundation of society...... the family........ and the values it takes to keep it intact.

That is exactly right.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 12:01:43 PM
That is my situation as well. Coming out of their closets, well, we knew they were in there. We'd seen Liberace, but it didn't stop there, suddenly parading down the street and invading the schools, schools which we had been told we  couldn't pray to the very God that annihilated Sodom and Gomorrah.

It is evil rising, as anyone who studies history can attest... And with evil comes tyranny. Every time.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 12:08:13 PM
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. -Isaiah 5:20



Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. -John Adams




REPENT.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 15, 2020, 12:37:59 PM
I've said it before and I will say it again:

As long as I want a wife but continue to be rejected, I will have ZERO sympathy for anyone in the alphabet soup lobby. None. My need to be loved is no less than theirs... but no one is out there advocating for my needs being a constitutional right. Instead, it's somehow my fault.

Homosexuality is lauded in this society, but involuntary loneliness is scorned. They're "stunning and brave." We're supposedly potential mass shooters in waiting. It's pure hypocrisy.

Just this morning I read on the BBC website a story about sex robots. Disclaimer: I am not in the market for a sex robot; they're out of my price range. But there are efforts underway to construct robots using artificial intelligence to at least provide some semblance of the intimacy and personal acceptance, fundamental cravings of most sane people, that have been denied. Now, you'd think that would be a plus, since men would no longer have to violate a woman's autonomy to fill his needs, right? Wrong. Already, there are activists calling for these sex robots to be banned. They might cause "psychological damage," they say. Yeah, fulfillment is so damaging. Do you know what else causes psychological damage? Repeated rejection! Especially when a man has zero success with women. All you're doing is denying these men any semblance of happiness.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51330261 (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51330261)

So as long as the alphabet soup lobby targets and harasses Christian businesses into involuntary servitude, as long as they have support from the media and academia, while people like me are ostracized for our failures... I will have no sympathy for their cause.

They will do what they will. I will judge a candidate by his or her policy. An evangelist for the alphabet soup lobby will NEVER get my vote.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2020, 01:55:14 PM
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. -Isaiah 5:20



Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. -John Adams




REPENT.

That is the decision plaguing me. To choose death and freedom. Or to continue to live this lie.

You talk about the importance of family.

If it was only I, I would choose death and freedom. Now.

But it isn't only about me anymore.

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
I've said it before and I will say it again:

As long as I want a wife but continue to be rejected, I will have ZERO sympathy for anyone in the alphabet soup lobby. None. My need to be loved is no less than theirs... but no one is out there advocating for my needs being a constitutional right. Instead, it's somehow my fault.

Homosexuality is lauded in this society, but involuntary loneliness is scorned. They're "stunning and brave." We're supposedly potential mass shooters in waiting. It's pure hypocrisy.

Just this morning I read on the BBC website a story about sex robots. Disclaimer: I am not in the market for a sex robot; they're out of my price range. But there are efforts underway to construct robots using artificial intelligence to at least provide some semblance of the intimacy and personal acceptance, fundamental cravings of most sane people, that have been denied. Now, you'd think that would be a plus, since men would no longer have to violate a woman's autonomy to fill his needs, right? Wrong. Already, there are activists calling for these sex robots to be banned. They might cause "psychological damage," they say. Yeah, fulfillment is so damaging. Do you know what else causes psychological damage? Repeated rejection! Especially when a man has zero success with women. All you're doing is denying these men any semblance of happiness.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51330261 (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51330261)

So as long as the alphabet soup lobby targets and harasses Christian businesses into involuntary servitude, as long as they have support from the media and academia, while people like me are ostracized for our failures... I will have no sympathy for their cause.

They will do what they will. I will judge a candidate by his or her policy. An evangelist for the alphabet soup lobby will NEVER get my vote.

Life is a strange thing to me. I never wanted a wife.

There are only two things to be done to change anything and that is by not doing them.

1. Stop voting.

2. Stop rendering unto Caesar.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 15, 2020, 02:29:46 PM
Life is a strange thing to me. I never wanted a wife.

There are only two things to be done to change anything and that is by not doing them.

1. Stop voting.

2. Stop rendering unto Caesar.

If people stop doing #1, then they will be forced to continuing rendering unto Caesar at gunpoint.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 02:38:45 PM
That is the decision plaguing me. To choose death and freedom. Or to continue to live this lie.

You talk about the importance of family.

If it was only I, I would choose death and freedom. Now.

But it isn't only about me anymore.

Nope. In the Christian sense, the burden is one to be carried. Sorry pal. It's time to check out when YHWH punches your ticket.

I used to consider the same, with my family destroyed and my strength stolen from me, stuck in that damnable chair... But I have come to find out that what the youth needs from me is not the strength of my body, but rather the strength of my will, and my ability to tell them the truth as my years have taught it to me.

Tough sh*t amigo, there it is. What are you teaching them by checking out?
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 02:43:44 PM
Life is a strange thing to me. I never wanted a wife.

There are only two things to be done to change anything and that is by not doing them.

1. Stop voting.

2. Stop rendering unto Caesar.

Remember, the very air in Caesar's lungs belongs to YHWH. Render unto Caesar, indeed. Rather, render unto YHWH that which is YHWH's. That's what that funny little bit means. That coin wasn't Caesar's in the first place.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2020, 02:46:18 PM
If people stop doing #1, then they will be forced to continuing rendering unto Caesar at gunpoint.

Right.

And that is when the fight started...

To vote at all at any level is unholy. It is engaging evil on its terms.

The recent impeachment and trial of Trump did something to me at a very deep level.

The reins of the reign rain acid on my soul.




Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 02:51:25 PM

But it isn't only about me anymore.

And I'll tell you a little secret Fred... It never was about you. You touch many others other than kin. Never can tell when you have put meaning into something for someone. I don't cuss my rowdy youth anymore. Even when that was me - I have had old friends from those days tell me years later that my sense of justice, even then, kept them from doing worse things. And now, I can't begin to tell you how many times the Father have put folks in my path - Folks that needed my specific testimony. And thus the worst things I have done have been turned into victory. Not by me of course... It ain't about me.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2020, 02:52:35 PM
Nope. In the Christian sense, the burden is one to be carried. Sorry pal. It's time to check out when YHWH punches your ticket.

I used to consider the same, with my family destroyed and my strength stolen from me, stuck in that damnable chair... But I have come to find out that what the youth needs from me is not the strength of my body, but rather the strength of my will, and my ability to tell them the truth as my years have taught it to me.

Tough sh*t amigo, there it is. What are you teaching them by checking out?

You misunderstand. I have no plans of checking out.

Rather, it is to STOP THIS SHIT.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 15, 2020, 02:58:28 PM
To vote at all at any level is unholy. It is engaging evil on its terms.

--Voting only encourages them.
--If voting ever changed things, it would be illegal.
--We're at the awkward stage, when it's to late to vote and too early to shoot.

Quote
The recent impeachment and trial of Trump did something to me at a very deep level.

The reins of the reign rain acid on my soul.

 pointing-up

Nice alliteration. 
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 02:59:59 PM
You misunderstand. I have no plans of checking out.

Rather, it is to STOP THIS SHIT.

I am all *FOR* stopping it. Surely it is ours to do, rather than to pass it down to our children. The time for choosing is nigh upon us. But however that works, that ain't you alone, or me alone. That ain't even you and me. That has to be a groundswell, or it accounts for nothing.

The TEA party was the right thing. The standoff in the Nevada desert was the right thing. What the next right thing is I don't know.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2020, 03:33:54 PM
I am all *FOR* stopping it. Surely it is ours to do, rather than to pass it down to our children. The time for choosing is nigh upon us. But however that works, that ain't you alone, or me alone. That ain't even you and me. That has to be a groundswell, or it accounts for nothing.

The TEA party was the right thing. The standoff in the Nevada desert was the right thing. What the next right thing is I don't know.

See? Exactly what I see. The hard part, for me, is to be heard and understood, without coming off as a religious zealot, domestic terrorist, fool, etc.

I know whose air it is.

I consider the left as the same as the Sanhedrin at the time of Christ.

They were doing the Will of God without obeying it.

The same sort of thing with Trump. He is Divinely appointed.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 03:42:54 PM
See? Exactly what I see. The hard part, for me, is to be heard and understood, without coming off as a religious zealot, domestic terrorist, fool, etc.

I know whose air it is.

I consider the left as the same as the Sanhedrin at the time of Christ.

They were doing the Will of God without obeying it.

The same sort of thing with Trump. He is Divinely appointed.

While there is a distinct command to respect leaders (fathers, priests, prophets, kings) as God raised them up, in no case are you to follow any man against the law of YHWH. Likewise as an American, I will follow no one against the Constitution.

Some pretty evil sh*t has claimed divine right (now there's a nephilim idea)... That does not mean I am to blindly follow it.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2020, 03:52:49 PM
While there is a distinct command to respect leaders (fathers, priests, prophets, kings) as God raised them up, in no case are you to follow any man against the law of YHWH. Likewise as an American, I will follow no one against the Constitution.

Some pretty evil sh*t has claimed divine right (now there's a nephilim idea)... That does not mean I am to blindly follow it.

Is it any comfort (I want my comfort and I want it now) that those bounders are bound to be bound- forever?
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: corbe on February 15, 2020, 07:16:07 PM
   There can no longer be any doubt that had Trump not hijacked the Republican Party with his populist message and WON, he'd be voting for the Buttplug this November, along with the rest of his family.   :smokin:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: libertybele on February 15, 2020, 09:27:56 PM
I've said it before and I will say it again:

As long as I want a wife but continue to be rejected, I will have ZERO sympathy for anyone in the alphabet soup lobby. None. My need to be loved is no less than theirs... but no one is out there advocating for my needs being a constitutional right. Instead, it's somehow my fault.

Homosexuality is lauded in this society, but involuntary loneliness is scorned. They're "stunning and brave." We're supposedly potential mass shooters in waiting. It's pure hypocrisy.

Just this morning I read on the BBC website a story about sex robots. Disclaimer: I am not in the market for a sex robot; they're out of my price range. But there are efforts underway to construct robots using artificial intelligence to at least provide some semblance of the intimacy and personal acceptance, fundamental cravings of most sane people, that have been denied. Now, you'd think that would be a plus, since men would no longer have to violate a woman's autonomy to fill his needs, right? Wrong. Already, there are activists calling for these sex robots to be banned. They might cause "psychological damage," they say. Yeah, fulfillment is so damaging. Do you know what else causes psychological damage? Repeated rejection! Especially when a man has zero success with women. All you're doing is denying these men any semblance of happiness.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51330261 (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51330261)

So as long as the alphabet soup lobby targets and harasses Christian businesses into involuntary servitude, as long as they have support from the media and academia, while people like me are ostracized for our failures... I will have no sympathy for their cause.

They will do what they will. I will judge a candidate by his or her policy. An evangelist for the alphabet soup lobby will NEVER get my vote.

The need for "human" interaction will always be; heterosexual or homosexual.  Please do NOT consider yourself a failure.  Rejection happens for numerous reasons and touches many different types of relationships; some definitely beyond our control -- life circumstances plays a huge part and again something that we cannot control as the world is full of evil, manipulating, lying people who seem to cast shadows on our lives. I feel and share your pain and you most certainly are not alone @jmyrlefuller   I wish I had some words of wisdom to offer, but I don't.  I hang on to my faith in hopes that circumstances will get better. It seems that others are so blessed and others not so much.  I can't answer why.  I take one day at a time and to find some happiness in each and every day.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 15, 2020, 09:30:43 PM
The need for "human" interaction will always be; heterosexual or homosexual.  Please do NOT consider yourself a failure.  Rejection happens for numerous reasons and touches many different types of relationships; some definitely beyond our control -- life circumstances plays a huge part and again something that we cannot control as the world is full of evil, manipulating, lying people who seem to cast shadows on our lives. I feel and share your pain and you most certainly are not alone @jmyrlefuller   I wish I had some words of wisdom to offer, but I don't.  I hang on to my faith in hopes that circumstances will get better. It seems that others are so blessed and others not so much.  I can't answer why.  I take one day at a time and to find some happiness in each and every day.

And if that doesn't work, I set fire to some golf balls. yogi555 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: DCPatriot on February 15, 2020, 09:41:07 PM
   There can no longer be any doubt that had Trump not hijacked the Republican Party with his populist message and WON, he'd be voting for the Buttplug this November, along with the rest of his family.   :smokin:

Is that what it means, @corbe ?     

"Buttplug"??     Are you drunk...high?  Both?

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: corbe on February 15, 2020, 09:49:44 PM
    Both!
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
The need for "human" interaction will always be; heterosexual or homosexual.  Please do NOT consider yourself a failure.  Rejection happens for numerous reasons and touches many different types of relationships; some definitely beyond our control -- life circumstances plays a huge part and again something that we cannot control as the world is full of evil, manipulating, lying people who seem to cast shadows on our lives. I feel and share your pain and you most certainly are not alone @jmyrlefuller   I wish I had some words of wisdom to offer, but I don't.  I hang on to my faith in hopes that circumstances will get better. It seems that others are so blessed and others not so much.  I can't answer why.  I take one day at a time and to find some happiness in each and every day.

Right. Unlucky at love is a two way street. The wife and I went to dinner last night in another town. Home style cooking. Anyway, my wife tells me our waitress is the ex of a friend who lives in that town. She calls him up and asks if he wants to come have coffee. He was all for it, until he found out where we were and who our waitress was. "Stab her for me". I was hip but figured it could wait until we were done with her service. They are doing a battle royal custody court fight.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: libertybele on February 15, 2020, 10:44:52 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why this is such an issue in the first place? 
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: DCPatriot on February 15, 2020, 11:37:12 PM
    Both!

Well...it IS Saturday night.

Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: DCPatriot on February 15, 2020, 11:39:16 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why this is such an issue in the first place?

LOL!  Exactly.   I couldn't believe this thread was still going.

@corbe 's post 'triggered' me.    :laugh:   Otherwise ignored.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 11:50:49 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why this is such an issue in the first place?

Implied or outright endorsement of homosexuality. That is an issue.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: DCPatriot on February 15, 2020, 11:53:17 PM
Implied or outright endorsement of homosexuality. That is an issue.

To whom?
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 15, 2020, 11:54:02 PM
To whom?

The Christian Right.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: DCPatriot on February 15, 2020, 11:58:31 PM
The Christian Right.

Fair enough.

Realize that group is 50% smaller than it was when it put Ronald Reagan on their back.

Nobody goes to Church anymore, except for Hispanic immigrants.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Mesaclone on February 16, 2020, 12:02:47 AM
The Christian Right.

Spoken like a man who just can't wait to throw the first stone. For a "man of the Christian right, it seems you've learned nothing of Jesus".
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 16, 2020, 12:12:42 AM
Fair enough.

Realize that group is 50% smaller than it was when it put Ronald Reagan on their back.

No they're not. You ain't even getting half of them out to vote.
Most of my friends are hard core Christian Right. Not a single one of them is Republican anymore, And if they vote at all, they vote like me. LDS, Fundy Baptists, orthodox Presbys, a few conservative Methodists. a lot of Pentecostals... All their churches are packed to the rafters for every meeting.

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Nobody goes to Church anymore, except for Hispanic immigrants.   :laugh:

Funny. The doctrinal churches here are bursting at the seams. Nobody's voting Republican anymore. Maybe that's what you mean.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 16, 2020, 12:17:47 AM
The Christian Right.

You sure about that?
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 16, 2020, 12:19:00 AM
Implied or outright endorsement of homosexuality. That is an issue.

Is this your number one issue?
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 16, 2020, 12:22:25 AM
Spoken like a man who just can't wait to throw the first stone. For a "man of the Christian right, it seems you've learned nothing of Jesus".

LOL! try again. The New Testament says outright that homosexuals will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.  Christian outreach to homosexuals is robust. But anyone bringing them to the cross must desperately preach repentance.That is not throwing stones.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 16, 2020, 12:23:47 AM
You sure about that?

I thought you weren't talking to me anymore.

And yes, I am sure about that.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 16, 2020, 12:25:15 AM
Is this your number one issue?

I don't have issues. I have principles. But I will not endorse any part of the Homosexual agenda, nor vote for those who do.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 16, 2020, 12:34:14 AM
I thought you weren't talking to me anymore.

You're right.  Thanks for reminding me.  Nevermind.    :seeya:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 16, 2020, 12:36:45 AM
You're right.  Thanks for reminding me.  Nevermind.    :seeya:


Great! Not a problem. :seeya:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 16, 2020, 12:49:19 AM
Implied or outright endorsement of homosexuality. That is an issue.

That is a issue.  I knew it would be an issue when Trump held up his rainbow flag.  And when I can't find a church that doesn't embrace it any longer I just won't go.  It was only a short while ago that the Republican party supported Defense of Marriage 
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 16, 2020, 12:52:14 AM
No they're not. You ain't even getting half of them out to vote.
Most of my friends are hard core Christian Right. Not a single one of them is Republican anymore, And if they vote at all, they vote like me. LDS, Fundy Baptists, orthodox Presbys, a few conservative Methodists. a lot of Pentecostals... All their churches are packed to the rafters for every meeting.

Funny. The doctrinal churches here are bursting at the seams. Nobody's voting Republican anymore. Maybe that's what you mean.

 :amen:

I like my church because it preaches the whole message.  It doesn't leave out anybody's sin. 
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 16, 2020, 01:08:35 AM
Spoken like a man who just can't wait to throw the first stone. For a "man of the Christian right, it seems you've learned nothing of Jesus".

That isn't what church is about.  Throwing stones.  It is about telling people that they can have a changed life from the slavery to sin.  That is the problem with the homosexual agenda.  They just don't want to accept that they are sinners.  And that is fine.  If people are happy with their lives nobody is forcing them to accept the free gift of Salvation.  The healing power that only comes from the blood of Christ Jesus. 

The Bible is for people who choose to accept Christ and say I am a sinner.  That is the point that sinners need Christ.   Who choose to allow God to heal them from the pains of life.  I don't think there is one person in the world who hasn't made bad choices that has had very bad consequences.  That is what Christ is about.  Not finger pointing but accepting people where they are.  A true Christian will tell anyone that their righteousness is like filthy rags.  It is through Christ Jesus if we seek him and trust him He is faithful to heal us and make us new.

There is no gay gene.   There is just human condition and it happened when sin was introduced to the world.  You don't have to believe it but you do know in your heart that homosexuality is not the life most people would choose.  I believe it too.  A drug addict wouldn't choose their hellish life either.

And your comments are just so stupid.  The very reason that the church is condemning itself for homosexuality is because they forgot their First Love.  The Love for Christ who heals them and makes them whole.  To say homosexuality isn't a sin is to deny the power of Christ to change a person.  To make them new creations in Christ Jesus free from the pain of homosexual life.

So if that is what you think that Jesus is about find yourself one of those churches that are based on nothing.  That ignore what Christ died for.  That deny His power to overcome sin and death.  And be happy.  But leave my church and the Word of God alone.  Because Jesus talks about sin.

And in the same way you don't go to the doctor unless you want him to heal your sickness Jesus is the same.  It is His love for us that brings us to that place where we admit that we need help.  We need a healer.  We need Jesus. 


2 Corinthians 5:17

New Living Translation
This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!



There are a whole lot of old life sins.  Homosexuality is not special.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 16, 2020, 01:32:22 AM
As for a homosexual being President no for many reasons.  And surprisingly not about religion.  No because whether you believe in God or not homosexuality is not moral.  It doesn't take religion to look at the pictures of a gay pride parade and say that is immoral.  And no matter what your morals are based on children at a gay pride parade is wrong.  Exposing everyone in your neighborhood to women on bikes not wearing tops.  Men in all kinds of sexual wear making fools out of themselves simulating sex on the street.  Sorry, but you might as well call it like it is.  Its society becoming like Sodom and Gommorah.

I do look for Christian men and women to vote for.  Ones that are not only Christian in name, but are examples of moral men and women.  Because that is the kind of society that I want to live in.  A place of respect and human decency.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 16, 2020, 01:52:35 AM
And here is another thing.  Homosexuals have higher rate of mental health issues and drug addiction.  What do you think they blame it on?  They blame it on homophobia.  They have been out and proud for a very long time.  So proud they have to get naked and have a parade every year.  Stupid. 

They can't even admit that their sexuality makes them depressed and the gay scene is highly involved in drug use.

They lie to themselves and they expect everyone to support their lies.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Hoodat on February 16, 2020, 02:59:33 AM
That isn't what church is about.  Throwing stones.  It is about telling people that they can have a changed life from the slavery to sin. 

Christianity is a program based on attraction rather than promotion.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Sighlass on February 16, 2020, 03:35:27 AM
Christianity is a program based on attraction rather than promotion.

Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers. - Ephesians 4:11

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,  - 1st Peter 3:15

Sometimes in forums I slip on the last part of that..... forgive... I do try though...
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: DCPatriot on February 16, 2020, 06:41:12 AM
Is this your number one issue?

IIRC, it was the deficit spending.     :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: DCPatriot on February 16, 2020, 06:45:22 AM
No they're not. You ain't even getting half of them out to vote.
Most of my friends are hard core Christian Right. Not a single one of them is Republican anymore, And if they vote at all, they vote like me. LDS, Fundy Baptists, orthodox Presbys, a few conservative Methodists. a lot of Pentecostals... All their churches are packed to the rafters for every meeting.

Funny. The doctrinal churches here are bursting at the seams. Nobody's voting Republican anymore. Maybe that's what you mean.

Thank God for the Electoral College.   Churches in California, New York, Pennsylvania and Florida are 'starving' if not for the Hispanic-speaking population.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 16, 2020, 08:05:41 AM
IIRC, it was the deficit spending.     :laugh:

No, like I said, I don't have issues. I have principles. No principle is any greater than the other. That's an equal set of several.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Jazzhead on February 16, 2020, 08:57:42 AM
Bravo, Mr. President.   Note that he acknowledged that some would not vote for a homosexual,  but he would have no issue.   Agree to disagree.   

I am glad when the President or any other voter is willing to judge a man by his character and not by how he was wired by his Creator.   
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: libertybele on February 16, 2020, 08:58:27 AM
My two cents.  The word 'Church' represents a building; those within the church are members or parishioners. You can hold a religious ceremony, mass or gathering without church.  One does not need to attend a 'church' in order to be a Christian and a follower of Jesus Christ.  Living the Word of God and following the teachings of Christ to me are far more important.  Many so called "Christians" attend church on Sunday or the Sabbath Day but live a life of hypocrisy outside of the Church.

The Bible clearly gives talks about homosexuality as a sin. Being gay clearly defines who one is.  There is no escaping that.  Either you are homosexual or heterosexual.  Any form of sexual conduct outside of being heterosexual is immoral.

Someone however can be gay without being a liberal.  They could hold their country and the Constitution dear to their hearts but still be gay.

Lying, swearing, stealing, adultery, envy, homosexuality, etc., etc., are all sins.  No one is perfect.  No president is going to be perfect and not guilty of sin in some way.

People have become obsessed and go haywire every time Trump opens his mouth.  Other than that I'm not so sure why this is such a huge issue.

As far as I know, Buttgig is not an axe murderer, hasn't committed treason, and could probably pass a background check (many of our Senators and Congressmen wouldn't be able to) and as far as I know he has met all the qualifications needed to run for the presidency.

Do I think it would be absolutely shameful to have a gay president? Absolutely.  I can't imagine having a First Gentlemen.  Some will vote for him however to be politically correct.

Seventy-six percent of Americans said they would vote for a gay or lesbian candidate for president in a 2019 Gallup poll. Among Democrats, 83 percent said they would vote for a gay or lesbian candidate, as well as 61 percent of Republicans and 82 percent of independents.


Trump has surprised me with this statement. I don't see him as being all that accepting of "gays".  He against transexuals in the military, against same sex marriage and benefits but denounced Iran's human rights record via focus on LGBT issues. I have to agree with him.



Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Hoodat on February 16, 2020, 09:24:45 AM
Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers. - Ephesians 4:11

The five-fold ministry is just as true today as it was 2000 years ago.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: aligncare on February 16, 2020, 09:42:27 AM
I would definitely vote for a constitutionalist homosexual candidate over the usual statist heterosexual dregs of either party.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 16, 2020, 09:55:31 AM
IIRC, it was the deficit spending.     :laugh:

That was the answer I was expecting @DCPatriot  I guess number one issues are fluid.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: FeelNoPain on February 16, 2020, 10:13:00 AM
That was the answer I was expecting @DCPatriot  I guess number one issues are fluid.   :shrug:

Of course, "number one" issues are fluid.

If they weren't fluid, they would be "number two" issues.

Love potty humor.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 16, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
That is a issue.  I knew it would be an issue when Trump held up his rainbow flag.  And when I can't find a church that doesn't embrace it any longer I just won't go.  It was only a short while ago that the Republican party supported Defense of Marriage

I know, right? They never meant it. They never have... It's all about the BOHICA (heh... there's a pun in there somewhere)...

In ALL things.
That is why I am a Republican no more. *SPIT*
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: roamer_1 on February 16, 2020, 10:20:31 AM
:amen:

I like my church because it preaches the whole message.  It doesn't leave out anybody's sin.

Well, I don't really get a church... But I know the ones I get along with - That'd be the ones that know their Bibles and try to live by it.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: corbe on February 16, 2020, 10:21:47 AM
Of course, "number one" issues are fluid.

If they weren't fluid, they would be "number two" issues.

Love potty humor.


   Needed that bit of humor @FeelNoPain this thread was getting way to serious even for a Sunday morning when everyone is usually in Church.
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: musiclady on February 16, 2020, 10:30:29 AM
Bravo, Mr. President.   Note that he acknowledged that some would not vote for a homosexual,  but he would have no issue.   Agree to disagree.   

I am glad when the President or any other voter is willing to judge a man by his character and not by how he was wired by his Creator.   

Hate to be preachy and religious here, Jazz, but God didn't "wire" sin into us.  We are in a fallen, sinful world, and choose to sin..... or not.

Blaming God for our sin isn't really a good idea........
Title: Re: Trump says he would vote for a gay president
Post by: mystery-ak on February 16, 2020, 10:30:31 AM
I am not having this turn into a religious debate...and especially all the homosexual nicknames please keep to yourselves.