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Title: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: mystery-ak on October 07, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
by Jim Hoft October 6, 2019

Oh, please be true!

Mitt Romney has become an expert at lobbing bombs at President Trump from the sidelines.

Now there is rumors that Mitt Romney may take on President Trump in the Republican primary.
 

According to HotAir:

    Romney has re-emerged, as he does occasionally, to be the self-appointed voice of morality. He slammed President Trump’s behavior during the phone call to Ukraine’s President Zelensky as “wrong and appalling”.

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Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: skeeter on October 07, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
The GOPe wants to get back to losing. Who's surprised.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: PeteS in CA on October 07, 2019, 10:06:32 AM
Is Romney that bleeping stupid? I should have voted for Alfred E. Neuman in 2012!
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on October 07, 2019, 10:36:40 AM
Is Romney that bleeping stupid? I should have voted for Alfred E. Neuman in 2012!
He hates Trump as Trump is a winner and exposes Mitt's pathetic losing.

This is a smart move for him only if he decides to go third party so the Dems will win the Presidency.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 07, 2019, 10:51:03 AM
Gee,THERE is a surprise.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: cato potatoe on October 07, 2019, 11:12:53 AM
Too old.  We are getting to be worse than the French, who retire into politics.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: The Ghost on October 07, 2019, 11:39:20 AM
Is Romney that bleeping stupid? I should have voted for Alfred E. Neuman in 2012!

It is the second coming.  Of McCain that is.  Even Jesus or whatever profit$ Willard worships, would stay out of this race. 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: catfish1957 on October 07, 2019, 11:40:48 AM
I don't like Trump, but a strong primary challenge just hurts the monetary coffers for the campaign.
Trump stepping down soon for Pence would be my first choice, but we all know that isn't happening.

Add the fact we will likely be facing a socialist in the general electiion?  I'll be wearing my gas mask, voting for Trump. 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 07, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Why doesn't Romney throw his support to one of the candidates already challenging Trump?   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 07, 2019, 11:51:20 AM

Trump stepping down soon for Pence would be my first choice, but we all know that isn't happening.

We don't know that.  The future is unwritten, and we do not lack the means to change it.   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: The Ghost on October 07, 2019, 11:52:53 AM
Why doesn't Romney throw his support to one of the candidates already challenging Trump?   

Liz Warren is his style.  I say pick her.  Maybe she'll pick him as VP?   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: DB on October 07, 2019, 12:00:26 PM
I will not vote for Romney no matter what. I learned my lesson voting for McCain due to Palin. Never again.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: jafo2010 on October 07, 2019, 02:13:36 PM
I think it is a given that Romney got elected to the senate with the sole purpose of positioning to run for POTUS.  I was thinking he would go in 2024, but he is arrogant enough to think he can beat Trump.  If he runs against Trump in 2020, he will lose.  He is an established loser, and Trump will make him road kill.

There is only one circumstance that would make sense for Romney running in 2020.  If there is a plan to JFK Trump in 2020, if Romney is running, he would most likely get the nomination.  This has been my fear for Trump since he won in 2016.  He has made many enemies, particularly the intelligence folks and military, who could take him out any time they choose.  His pulling out of Syria might just be equivalent to JFK's executive order to withdraw from Vietnam.  That action triggered his assassination by the military industrial complex.

I think Trump is being setup for another JFK moment.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 07, 2019, 08:43:41 PM
Why doesn't Romney throw his support to one of the candidates already challenging Trump?   

@Jazzhead

Uhhhhhh,.....uhhhhhh,......uhhhhhh. Is this a trick question?
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 07, 2019, 08:46:24 PM
I think it is a given that Romney got elected to the senate with the sole purpose of positioning to run for POTUS.  I was thinking he would go in 2024, but he is arrogant enough to think he can beat Trump.  If he runs against Trump in 2020, he will lose.  He is an established loser, and Trump will make him road kill.

There is only one circumstance that would make sense for Romney running in 2020.  If there is a plan to JFK Trump in 2020, if Romney is running, he would most likely get the nomination.  This has been my fear for Trump since he won in 2016.  He has made many enemies, particularly the intelligence folks and military, who could take him out any time they choose.  His pulling out of Syria might just be equivalent to JFK's executive order to withdraw from Vietnam.  That action triggered his assassination by the military industrial complex.

I think Trump is being setup for another JFK moment.

@jafo2010

IMNSHO,a very possible scenario. After all,there is LOTS of money floating around out there related to foreign and military aid,and the people who collect it have serious inside connections in the Pentegram.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Fishrrman on October 07, 2019, 08:51:03 PM
"Now there is rumors that Mitt Romney may take on President Trump in the Republican primary."

I have, right here in my hand, a list of 4 members of this forum who would jump at the chance to vote for Romney over Mr. Trump...     ;)
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: XenaLee on October 07, 2019, 09:04:28 PM
I will not vote for Romney no matter what. I learned my lesson voting for McCain due to Palin. Never again.

Ditto that, in triplicate and in spades.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 07, 2019, 09:37:49 PM
I will not vote for Romney no matter what. I learned my lesson voting for McCain due to Palin. Never again.

Yep.
No McAin't
No Ruminy.
No Tumpy.

So I still ain't got a dog in this hunt.  :shrug: :whistle:
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: montanajoe on October 07, 2019, 09:52:34 PM
Yep.
No McAin't
No Ruminy.
No Tumpy.

So I still ain't got a dog in this hunt.  :shrug: :whistle:

@roamer_1

Tell me about it.. :shrug:

Definitely no one to vote For but I'll vote Against Trump no matter who runs against him...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 07, 2019, 10:43:04 PM
@roamer_1

Tell me about it.. :shrug:

Definitely no one to vote For but I'll vote Against Trump no matter who runs against him...  :laugh:

Me too @montanajoe , me too. CP or libertarian (CP likely)... It's definitely becoming a trend.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: libertybele on October 07, 2019, 11:18:45 PM
I will not vote for Romney no matter what. I learned my lesson voting for McCain due to Palin. Never again.

There is no way that Romney is going to win the GOP nomination for President...unless Trump is impeached and he goes up against Pence...then there's a chance.  Neither Pence or Romney would make a good president. BOTH would be mere puppets for the leftists.  I don't trust either one of them.  Pence acts and looks like Lurch from the Adam's family and IMHO is just as phony and plastic as they come.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2019, 01:24:12 AM
@roamer_1

Tell me about it.. :shrug:

Definitely no one to vote For but I'll vote Against Trump no matter who runs against him...  :laugh:

@montanajoe

EXCELLENT choice. Shows your maturity.

Will you be holding your breath until your face turns blue and stamping your little feets if he wins? Go ahead. Have that hissy-fit!  You know you want to.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2019, 01:26:49 AM
There is no way that Romney is going to win the GOP nomination for President...unless Trump is impeached and he goes up against Pence...then there's a chance.  Neither Pence or Romney would make a good president. BOTH would be mere puppets for the leftists.  I don't trust either one of them.  Pence acts and looks like Lurch from the Adam's family and IMHO is just as phony and plastic as they come.

@libertybele

I think it would be pretty hard to "out phony" Mittens on the alleged Republican side. You are going to have to cross the aisle to come up with any competition in that field. Think "Fat old drunken woman".
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 08, 2019, 01:41:35 AM
Yep.
No McAin't
No Ruminy.
No Tumpy.

So I still ain't got a dog in this hunt.  :shrug: :whistle:

Yep.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: verga on October 08, 2019, 08:09:39 AM
This is a smart move for him only if he decides to go third party so the Dems will win the Presidency.
Great nhow you are giving him ideas. You know he has spies monitoring this site for his next stupid thing to do.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2019, 09:21:05 AM
 

@Chosen Daughter @roamer_1

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Yep.
No McAin't
No Ruminy.
No Tumpy.

So I still ain't got a dog in this hunt.

True,it's just about the survival of America as a free and independent nation,and neither of you care about that.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: libertybele on October 08, 2019, 09:52:35 AM


@Chosen Daughter @roamer_1

True,it's just about the survival of America as a free and independent nation,and neither of you care about that.

If I might add; there is a huge difference between McCain, Romney and Trump with Trump so far being much more to the right and has begun to unravel the corruption.  That truly IMHO is what Romney is afraid of; his corruption unveiled.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: skeeter on October 08, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
If I might add; there is a huge difference between McCain, Romney and Trump with Trump so far being much more to the right and has begun to unravel the corruption.  That truly IMHO is what Romney is afraid of; his corruption unveiled.

Obviously Romney represents the interests of those who've been profiting from the status quo.

A curious person would ask themselves why he and his like hate Trump so much. Perhaps they're motivated by that tiny sliver of their psyche that actually contains some principles. But I doubt it.

Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 08, 2019, 10:51:58 AM


@Chosen Daughter @roamer_1

True,it's just about the survival of America as a free and independent nation,and neither of you care about that.

Bullcrap Pete.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 08, 2019, 10:53:48 AM
If I might add; there is a huge difference between McCain, Romney and Trump with Trump so far being much more to the right and has begun to unravel the corruption.  That truly IMHO is what Romney is afraid of; his corruption unveiled.

I see no difference whatsoever. SOSDD.
'To the Right' begins in federalism and fiscal conservatism. Small government.
None of the above are anywhere near the Right.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2019, 10:59:15 AM
If I might add; there is a huge difference between McCain, Romney and Trump with Trump so far being much more to the right and has begun to unravel the corruption.  That truly IMHO is what Romney is afraid of; his corruption unveiled.

@libertybele

I have no doubt Romney is corrupt,but compared the the Bush,Clinton,and Obama crime families,he is a shoplifter at most.

And,if you want to get historic,the Kennedy and Roosevelt clans.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2019, 11:05:29 AM
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Obviously Romney represents the interests of those who've been profiting from the status quo.

@skeeter

There are damn few party regulars that doesn't apply to,and they are all ones from mostly rural states whose names you never hear mentioned. Today's alleged Republican Party is in partnership with the Dim Party to overthrow America and make us a cog in "Worldwide Government,Inc".

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A curious person would ask themselves why he and his like hate Trump so much.


Seems pretty obvious to me. He is a threat to the Good Old Boy system they have in place. Not only that,but he is an outsider who doesn't have to kiss any rings t get media attention. The alleged Republicans can't do to Trump what they did to Newt because Trump is not a career politician.

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Perhaps they're motivated by that tiny sliver of their psyche that actually contains some principles. But I doubt it.

Me,too. You have to HAVE principles before you can violate them.
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Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: skeeter on October 08, 2019, 11:08:19 AM
@skeeter

There are damn few party regulars that doesn't apply to,and they are all ones from mostly rural states whose names you never hear mentioned. Today's alleged Republican Party is in partnership with the Dim Party to overthrow America and make us a cog in "Worldwide Government,Inc".
 

Seems pretty obvious to me. He is a threat to the Good Old Boy system they have in place. Not only that,but he is an outsider who doesn't have to kiss any rings t get media attention. The alleged Republicans can't do to Trump what they did to Newt because Trump is not a career politician.

Me,too. You have to HAVE principles before you can violate them.

At the risk of being tagged with 'fanboi' I'm glad Trump came along, if for no other reason than he exposed a whole bunch of phonies.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Mesaclone on October 08, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
Bullcrap Pete.

Screaming "bullcrap" at the truth does not change its veracity.

We all get that you don't want this to be a binary choice, just as we all understand that this election is precisely that. The next President will be either Donald Trump, or whomever the Dems nominate. That is, by definition binary. So you can stomp your feet, take your ball and go home, or curl up and cry about how unfair it is to have such a binary choice....just quit pretending that what you're doing is anything less than a tantrum.

While you're at it, quit pretending that anyone other than the two individuals laid out in my 3rd sentence above has any chance at becoming the President in 2020.

And finally, quit pretending that this election is anything less than the existential battle sneakypete defines it to be in his "snarky" but spot on statement above.

In summary, quit pretending and face reality...and then act rationally in response. That's all any of us are asking you to do. As yet, you all seem determined to live in a fantasyland of "Presidential resignations, 3rd Party Champions rising to win the White House, and holier than thou votes cast for holier than thou candidates with zero chances of winning anything"...all whilst the Mongol-like hordes of Socialist "reform" pound at our gates and demand the fall of the Republic.

You fiddle, while Rome falls. Smart.

And please, I hope none of you are childish and ignorant enough to retort that there's no difference between a Trump presidency and the Socialists...as accepting that requires the kind of vacuous suspension of facts, evidence and truth that is beneath the intellect and dignity of this board.

Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2019, 11:25:07 AM
At the risk of being tagged with 'fanboi' I'm glad Trump came along, if for no other reason than he exposed a whole bunch of phonies.

@skeeter

And that REALLY riled up the alleged Republican fanbois into a stage of rabid hatred for Trump.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: austingirl on October 08, 2019, 11:31:10 AM
If I might add; there is a huge difference between McCain, Romney and Trump with Trump so far being much more to the right and has begun to unravel the corruption.  That truly IMHO is what Romney is afraid of; his corruption unveiled.

 goopo
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 08, 2019, 11:32:08 AM

True,it's just about the survival of America as a free and independent nation,and neither of you care about that.

That task is made more difficult by the deficiencies of the current incumbent.  I oppose his impeachment, but he needs to be replaced as the GOP nominee.   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: austingirl on October 08, 2019, 11:34:58 AM
Screaming "bullcrap" at the truth does not change its veracity.

We all get that you don't want this to be a binary choice, just as we all understand that this election is precisely that. The next President will be either Donald Trump, or whomever the Dems nominate. That is, by definition binary. So you can stomp your feet, take your ball and go home, or curl up and cry about how unfair it is to have such a binary choice....just quit pretending that what you're doing is anything less than a tantrum.

While you're at it, quit pretending that anyone other than the two individuals laid out in my 3rd sentence above has any chance at becoming the President in 2020.

And finally, quit pretending that this election is anything less than the existential battle sneakypete defines it to be in his "snarky" but spot on statement above.

In summary, quit pretending and face reality...and then act rationally in response. That's all any of us are asking you to do. As yet, you all seem determined to live in a fantasyland of "Presidential resignations, 3rd Party Champions rising to win the White House, and holier than thou votes cast for holier than thou candidates with zero chances of winning anything"...all whilst the Mongol-like hordes of Socialist "reform" pound at our gates and demand the fall of the Republic.

You fiddle, while Rome falls. Smart.

And please, I hope none of you are childish and ignorant enough to retort that there's no difference between a Trump presidency and the Socialists...as accepting that requires the kind of vacuous suspension of facts, evidence and truth that is beneath the intellect and dignity of this board.

QFT
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2019, 11:43:58 AM
That task is made more difficult by the deficiencies of the current incumbent.  I oppose his impeachment, but he needs to be replaced as the GOP nominee.

@Jazzhead

The problem is there is no one to replace him that has the stones to do what needs to be done. One more "creature of the system" in the Oval Office at this moment in history,and America is done.

You don't see Pacifists or handicapped people being sent in to rescue hostages,you send in people who can and WILL fight,and America is currently being held hostage by the globalists of the RepublaDim Party and needs to be rescued.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: skeeter on October 08, 2019, 11:59:25 AM
That task is made more difficult by the deficiencies of the current incumbent.  I oppose his impeachment, but he needs to be replaced as the GOP nominee.

As some old French writer once said (in Italian)Il meglio è l'inimico del bene
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 08, 2019, 12:13:45 PM
@Jazzhead

The problem is there is no one to replace him that has the stones to do what needs to be done. One more "creature of the system" in the Oval Office at this moment in history,and America is done.

You don't see Pacifists or handicapped people being sent in to rescue hostages,you send in people who can and WILL fight,and America is currently being held hostage by the globalists of the RepublaDim Party and needs to be rescued.

Cut me a break.  Trump's not the only fighter in the GOP.   But he is the one who is both likely to be re-nominated and just as likely to lose and take the Senate with him.   That's reality as I see it, and why I cannot stay silent as the GOP commits electoral suicide.    With a year to go before the elections,  there is plenty of time to replace him as the nominee.   I see it as imperative, given the increasingly likely scenario of the Dems nominating a socialist. 

Grow some stones, people!   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2019, 01:31:50 PM


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Cut me a break.  Trump's not the only fighter in the GOP.
 


@Jazzhead

Really? Name the other one.

 
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But he is the one who is both likely to be re-nominated and just as likely to lose and take the Senate with him.
 

He was also considered to be the most likely one to lose the last election. How did that work out for you?

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That's reality as I see it, and why I cannot stay silent as the GOP commits electoral suicide.    With a year to go before the elections,  there is plenty of time to replace him as the nominee.   I see it as imperative, given the increasingly likely scenario of the Dems nominating a socialist. 

Suicide would be nominating one of the usual "go along to get along" RINO  Globalist suspects.

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Grow some stones, people!

You have no idea how ironic that sounds,do you?
 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 08, 2019, 04:10:47 PM
Screaming "bullcrap" at the truth does not change its veracity.

It was all that needed said. Pete knows better.

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We all get that you don't want this to be a binary choice, just as we all understand that this election is precisely that. The next President will be either Donald Trump, or whomever the Dems nominate. That is, by definition binary. So you can stomp your feet, take your ball and go home, or curl up and cry about how unfair it is to have such a binary choice....just quit pretending that what you're doing is anything less than a tantrum.

It is not a binary choice. There is also the choice of non-participation, at the very least.
I will refuse to participate in that which I cannot support.
And that will ever be my criteria.

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While you're at it, quit pretending that anyone other than the two individuals laid out in my 3rd sentence above has any chance at becoming the President in 2020.

So what? If people are unwilling to stand upon the principle things they believe in, things will never change. In that I am leading by example. All you need to obtain my vote is a conservative to support. It is a simple thing.

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And finally, quit pretending that this election is anything less than the existential battle sneakypete defines it to be in his "snarky" but spot on statement above.

Existential my ass. There is no difference between the two sides. Both spend money we don't have, and both are statist, supporting a behemoth of a federal government. On those two points alone, no other criteria are necessary - There is no appreciable difference, and y'all just think you're better at it.

I am never, ever going to support that, period.

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In summary, quit pretending and face reality...and then act rationally in response. That's all any of us are asking you to do.

And that is precisely what I am doing. If one supports Conservatism, then it only follows that one must vote for Conservatives. One doesn't get more conservatives by voting for liberals, as the current state of the Republican party proves perfectly. That IS the reality.

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As yet, you all seem determined to live in a fantasyland of "Presidential resignations, 3rd Party Champions rising to win the White House, and holier than thou votes cast for holier than thou candidates with zero chances of winning anything"...all whilst the Mongol-like hordes of Socialist "reform" pound at our gates and demand the fall of the Republic.

You fiddle, while Rome falls. Smart.

If the other choice is to support y'all, then fiddling is the proper choice - The fiscal irresponsibility alone requires that I withhold my vote. Because Rome has already fallen unless we return to principle things, and damn soon. You are stopping nothing. You are opening the gates.

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And please, I hope none of you are childish and ignorant enough to retort that there's no difference between a Trump presidency and the Socialists...as accepting that requires the kind of vacuous suspension of facts, evidence and truth that is beneath the intellect and dignity of this board.

Certainly there is no difference. The difference would be the very principles I am seeking, and they are not to be found in the current administration.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 08, 2019, 04:19:04 PM
The fiscal irresponsibility alone requires that I withhold my vote.

I understand your position vis a vis the general election, @roamer_1 . Like you, I blanche at "lesser of two evils" choices.  But don't fail to vote in the primary - Mark Sanford has an unusually consistent record when it comes to fiscal responsibility.

Sanford may not win, but dammit I will enjoy voting FOR a candidate I respect, even in a lost cause.   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: montanajoe on October 08, 2019, 04:48:43 PM
It was all that needed said. Pete knows better.

It is not a binary choice. There is also the choice of non-participation, at the very least.
I will refuse to participate in that which I cannot support.
And that will ever be my criteria.

So what? If people are unwilling to stand upon the principle things they believe in, things will never change. In that I am leading by example. All you need to obtain my vote is a conservative to support. It is a simple thing.

Existential my ass. There is no difference between the two sides. Both spend money we don't have, and both are statist, supporting a behemoth of a federal government. On those two points alone, no other criteria are necessary - There is no appreciable difference, and y'all just think you're better at it.

I am never, ever going to support that, period.

And that is precisely what I am doing. If one supports Conservatism, then it only follows that one must vote for Conservatives. One doesn't get more conservatives by voting for liberals, as the current state of the Republican party proves perfectly. That IS the reality.

If the other choice is to support y'all, then fiddling is the proper choice - The fiscal irresponsibility alone requires that I withhold my vote. Because Rome has already fallen unless we return to principle things, and damn soon. You are stopping nothing. You are opening the gates.

Certainly there is no difference. The difference would be the very principles I am seeking, and they are not to be found in the current administration.

@roamer_1

 :hands: :hands: :hands:

Of course you will never convince the folks that believe professional wreatling is real... :shrug:
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 08, 2019, 05:06:02 PM
I understand your position vis a vis the general election, @roamer_1 . Like you, I blanche at "lesser of two evils" choices.  But don't fail to vote in the primary - Mark Sanford has an unusually consistent record when it comes to fiscal responsibility.


@Jazzhead
You can bet money I will be looking at Sanford. He was a high 90's rated Conservative before his fall from grace... And yes, his fiscal conservatism is unimpeachable.

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Sanford may not win, but dammit I will enjoy voting FOR a candidate I respect, even in a lost cause.   

That is my standard, and one I have followed since 07... I will vote *for* someone, every time, or I will not vote at all. I refuse to participate in this 'lesser evil' mentality. It has brought us to the brink of destruction.

In the end, that is all your vote can be - a positive affirmation. I will not squander that endorsement anymore.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Mesaclone on October 08, 2019, 05:22:15 PM
@roamer_1

 :hands: :hands: :hands:

Of course you will never convince the folks that believe professional wreatling is real... :shrug:

To applaud stupidity, is to become its accomplice.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: austingirl on October 08, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
To applaud stupidity, is to become its accomplice.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: DB on October 08, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
To applaud stupidity, is to become its accomplice.

The stupidity is yours. You keep doing the same thing expecting a different result. Until enough people have enough courage to get out of the herd mentality nothing will change. Every election is the same old voting in fear of the other party no matter how bad your party's candidate is. It is the path to ruin but you brilliant thinkers can't seem to change course no matter how dire things become. You scream but the other is worse! So what. You're determined to ride the country into the ground which is exactly where it is going. You excuse it by saying it is happening ever so slightly more slowly with your team. Again, so what. Down is down.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 08, 2019, 10:08:25 PM
Of course you will never convince the folks that believe professional wreatling is real... :shrug:

I heard that, @montanajoe , I truly did.   :beer:
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 08, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
The stupidity is yours. You keep doing the same thing expecting a different result. Until enough people have enough courage to get out of the herd mentality nothing will change. Every election is the same old voting in fear of the other party no matter how bad your party's candidate is. It is the path to ruin but you brilliant thinkers can't seem to change course no matter how dire things become. You scream but the other is worse! So what. You're determined to ride the country into the ground which is exactly where it is going. You excuse it by saying it is happening ever so slightly more slowly with your team. Again, so what. Down is down.

That's right.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 08, 2019, 10:16:12 PM
To applaud stupidity, is to become its accomplice.

Exactly why I will be withholding my endorsement yet again.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: bigheadfred on October 08, 2019, 10:51:41 PM
To applaud stupidity, is to become its accomplice.

Uh oh
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: txradioguy on October 08, 2019, 11:09:45 PM
It was all that needed said. Pete knows better.

It is not a binary choice. There is also the choice of non-participation, at the very least.
I will refuse to participate in that which I cannot support.
And that will ever be my criteria.

So what? If people are unwilling to stand upon the principle things they believe in, things will never change. In that I am leading by example. All you need to obtain my vote is a conservative to support. It is a simple thing.

Existential my ass. There is no difference between the two sides. Both spend money we don't have, and both are statist, supporting a behemoth of a federal government. On those two points alone, no other criteria are necessary - There is no appreciable difference, and y'all just think you're better at it.

I am never, ever going to support that, period.

And that is precisely what I am doing. If one supports Conservatism, then it only follows that one must vote for Conservatives. One doesn't get more conservatives by voting for liberals, as the current state of the Republican party proves perfectly. That IS the reality.

If the other choice is to support y'all, then fiddling is the proper choice - The fiscal irresponsibility alone requires that I withhold my vote. Because Rome has already fallen unless we return to principle things, and damn soon. You are stopping nothing. You are opening the gates.

Certainly there is no difference. The difference would be the very principles I am seeking, and they are not to be found in the current administration.

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Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: jafo2010 on October 09, 2019, 12:31:23 AM
The postman's son also had a high conservative rating back when he was in Congress, but he sounds like a liberal now.  I am talking about John Kasich. Well, Sanford is from that same crop of people who were once in Congress and conservative.  But Sanford ruined his future with his running around cheating quite publicly with another woman.

NEITHER ONE OF THESE TURDS WOULD GET INTO THE DOUBLE DIGITS AGAINST TRUMP.   He would annihilate both these turds.

Sanford's day in the sun was long ago OVER!!!
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 01:04:53 AM
The postman's son also had a high conservative rating back when he was in Congress, but he sounds like a liberal now.  I am talking about John Kasich. Well, Sanford is from that same crop of people who were once in Congress and conservative.  But Sanford ruined his future with his running around cheating quite publicly with another woman.

NEITHER ONE OF THESE TURDS WOULD GET INTO THE DOUBLE DIGITS AGAINST TRUMP.   He would annihilate both these turds.

Sanford's day in the sun was long ago OVER!!!

ROTFLMAO!!! You would speak to us about Sanford's single known infidelity as a reason not to vote for him, and yet endorse Tumpy the Clown, and his multiple infidelities.

Y'all are blinded.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 09, 2019, 01:48:41 AM
Put your money away Mitt you are washed up.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Mesaclone on October 09, 2019, 11:58:15 AM
The stupidity is yours. You keep doing the same thing expecting a different result. Until enough people have enough courage to get out of the herd mentality nothing will change. Every election is the same old voting in fear of the other party no matter how bad your party's candidate is. It is the path to ruin but you brilliant thinkers can't seem to change course no matter how dire things become. You scream but the other is worse! So what. You're determined to ride the country into the ground which is exactly where it is going. You excuse it by saying it is happening ever so slightly more slowly with your team. Again, so what. Down is down.

I'm not voting "against" nor am I hoping for different results...just more results in the same vein. I'm voting for...more tax cuts, more conservative judges, a less adventurous military posture, more Wall on top of the 500+ completed by end of 2020, continuing strong stance against illegal immigration, continuing disruption of the deep state corruption, continuing strengthening of our military, continuing improvement in our trade deals, continuing reductions in historically low unemployment, continuing improvements in middle class incomes, continuing politically incorrect truth from the White House, continuing suppression of the establishment/RINO wing of the GOP, and continuing respect for law enforcement from the White House. And a shit ton of other positives flowing from the Presidency right now.

Sure, there are blemishes and and President Trump can't fix EVERYTHING in 3 years with little to no help from the weak sisters in congress...but he's accomplished a damn sight more than any conservative President since WW2.  More than Reagan got done in his first 3 years and I LOVE Reagan.

If that kind of deeply conservative governance...as conservative as is politically/practically achievable...than sure, give me more of that stupidity. 

I suppose we should all pretend to be above it all, declare our moral narcissism by holding out for the perfect "preacherman/wizard" who can wave his magic wand and arrest Hillary, lock up half the FBI/CIA, disband congress and do as he chooses to implement "conservative rule"...but I live in the real world...not a dimwitted fantasy land of wishful thinking and magical beliefs.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 12:30:31 PM
I suppose we should all pretend to be above it all, declare our moral narcissism by holding out for the perfect "preacherman/wizard" [...]

More bullcrap.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: jafo2010 on October 09, 2019, 12:59:31 PM
Trump got elected because he alone defined the issues in 2016, and the people bought what he was saying.

What the f*&^ is Sanford offering other than...DISPLACE TRUMP...please, you naysayers are so full of yourselves.

I know exactly what Trump is/was.  More often than not, it is timing, and bravado. Sanford has neither.

Trump unlike any president in my lifetime has attempted to keep his campaign promises, which is more than anyone else.  If it were not for the fact that the Dems and the stinking Republicans were resisting him every step of the way, he could well be the most successful president ever for producing results for the citizens of the USA.

I anticipate Romney the RINO running in 2020.  He and Sanford dilute each other, and then the pack of the one percenters like Weld and Walsh.  In the end, Trump wins the Republican nomination easily.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 01:08:39 PM
I'm not voting "against" nor am I hoping for different results...just more results in the same vein. I'm voting for...more tax cuts, more conservative judges, a less adventurous military posture, more Wall on top of the 500+ completed by end of 2020, continuing strong stance against illegal immigration, continuing disruption of the deep state corruption, continuing strengthening of our military, continuing improvement in our trade deals, continuing reductions in historically low unemployment, continuing improvements in middle class incomes, continuing politically incorrect truth from the White House, continuing suppression of the establishment/RINO wing of the GOP, and continuing respect for law enforcement from the White House. And a shit ton of other positives flowing from the Presidency right now.

Sure, there are blemishes and and President Trump can't fix EVERYTHING in 3 years with little to no help from the weak sisters in congress...but he's accomplished a damn sight more than any conservative President since WW2.  More than Reagan got done in his first 3 years and I LOVE Reagan.

If that kind of deeply conservative governance...as conservative as is politically/practically achievable...than sure, give me more of that stupidity. 

I suppose we should all pretend to be above it all, declare our moral narcissism by holding out for the perfect "preacherman/wizard" who can wave his magic wand and arrest Hillary, lock up half the FBI/CIA, disband congress and do as he chooses to implement "conservative rule"...but I live in the real world...not a dimwitted fantasy land of wishful thinking and magical beliefs.

I am perfectly willing to vote for a candidate who is generally conservative,  even if I do not agree with everything he or she says.    I am generally content to try to move the ball forward,  and don't disagree with you that, in many ways, Trump has advanced the ball.   

But that's not the issue we face,  a year out from the election.   I think it would be a profound mistake for the GOP to renominate Donald Trump because, as unfair as it is,  he is damaged goods to most in the electorate.  Despite an economic boom and unprecedented full employment,  his approval ratings have never breached 50 percent.   Half the electorate cannot stand the man,  for reasons you may blame on a partisan press or Trump's combative, knee-jerk nature (which you may well admire),  but reality is what it is.  If Trump is the nominee,  the election will be a referendum on his personality and leadership,  not on his policies.  And that is a recipe for disaster. 

And the reality is, increasingly, that the Dems will nominate someone who is truly radical and promises to unmoor this nation from its Constitutional, capitalist underpinnings.   That threat can be most effectively defeated by a GOP candidate who can attack the Dems' policy proposals without the distraction of the current reality show.

Yes,  the Dems want to impeach 63 million voters, and I applaud the President for calling out their kangaroo court.    Maybe the Constitutional crisis this has precipitated will lift Trump's poll numbers.   But what it will certainly do is further distract voters' minds from the President's policy accomplishments,  and the dangerous policies proposed by his opponents.   I therefore, and with regret, cannot support Trump for the nomination and will work to defeat him, or urge him to not run for re-election (which I think is a real possibility).   

Donald Trump must not be our nominee.   If he is,  the Dems take the Presidency and the Senate, as things now stand.   That, above all, is the result that must be confronted and defeated.   

Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: truth_seeker on October 09, 2019, 01:44:05 PM

Donald Trump must not be our nominee.   If he is,  the Dems take the Presidency and the Senate, as things now stand.   That, above all, is the result that must be confronted and defeated.

Your political common sense and judgment is unchanged, since you touted Kasich.

Nobody can replace Trump if he runs. Any other GOP candidate gets clobbered, when 60+ million Trump voters reject the phule.

Barr-Durham have  to be heard, IG too.

Seems a few total GOP wusses here, caving into the attempted takeover, by turning on Trump.

Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 09, 2019, 01:55:19 PM
More bullcrap.

@Mesaclone   @roamer_1

The truth can be very painful,can't it?

Especially when there are multiple paragraphs of it staring back at you.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 09, 2019, 02:04:08 PM

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Trump unlike any president in my lifetime has attempted to keep his campaign promises, which is more than anyone else.


@jafo2010

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If it were not for the fact that the Dems and the stinking Republicans were resisting him every step of the way, he could well be the most successful president ever for producing results for the citizens of the USA.

Which is probably why they hate and fear Trump so much.


 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 09, 2019, 02:11:24 PM
Your political common sense and judgment is unchanged, since you touted Kasich.

Nobody can replace Trump if he runs. Any other GOP candidate gets clobbered, when 60+ million Trump voters reject the phule.

Barr-Durham have  to be heard, IG too.

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Seems a few total GOP wusses here, caving into the attempted takeover, by turning on Trump.


@truth_seeker   

Yup,they fear the death of the alleged Republican Party.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 02:25:20 PM
Your political common sense and judgment is unchanged, since you touted Kasich.

Nobody can replace Trump if he runs. Any other GOP candidate gets clobbered, when 60+ million Trump voters reject the phule.

Barr-Durham have  to be heard, IG too.

Seems a few total GOP wusses here, caving into the attempted takeover, by turning on Trump.

I am not turning on Trump.  But I am realistic enough to see the handwriting on the wall.   If he runs, he loses, and takes the GOP Senate down with him. 

Please note that I agree with Trump's decision to fight the "impeachment inquiry" as unconstitutional and violative of his rights.   It is an affront to impeach the 63 million who voted for him, as the Dems effectively propose to do with election a little more than a year away.    But adding to the circus only increases the public's fatigue, and ensures the election will be a referendum on Trump, not on GOP policies and Warren's socialism.   This is likely the Dems' true intent in raising their kangaroo court. 

Trump should fight impeachment,  but ultimately should, for the good of his party, decline to run for re-election while endorsing his successor.     
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: XenaLee on October 09, 2019, 02:30:36 PM
I am not turning on Trump.  But I am realistic enough to see the handwriting on the wall.   If he runs, he loses, and takes the GOP Senate down with him. 

Please note that I agree with Trump's decision to fight the "impeachment inquiry" as unconstitutional and violative of his rights.   It is an affront to impeach the 63 million who voted for him, as the Dems effectively propose to do with election a little more than a year away.    But adding to the circus only increases the public's fatigue, and ensures the election will be a referendum on Trump, not on GOP policies and Warren's socialism.   This is likely the Dems' true intent in raising their kangaroo court. 

Trump should fight impeachment,  but ultimately should, for the good of his party, decline to run for re-election while endorsing his successor.   

Baloney and pure BS.   He'll win... and he will drag the rest of the do-nothing, say-nothing, think-nothing GOP along with him.

The rats have already garnered enough bad will and animosity with their ongoing Impeachment charade that there's no way in Hell Trump can lose next year.   People will go to the polls to punish the rats, as they so richly deserve to be punished.   And I don't expect that to change, but to only get worse over the next year.... since the idiot left usually doubles down on their abject stupidity.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: truth_seeker on October 09, 2019, 04:44:54 PM
It is my judgment, the best course of action is for Trump to stand firm, run against the entire disloyal democrat Coup  d' Etat machine.

Explain the plots from the start, to take him out or down. Use whatever he gets from Barr, etc. State the truth, and hope the party ofeiholders help him.

Wouldn't it be another pleasant surprise, if he succeeds?

Think 1972 and 1980 Silent Majority and Law&Order.

 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
It is my judgment, the best course of action is for Trump to stand firm, run against the entire disloyal democrat Coup  d' Etat machine.

Explain the plots from the start, to take him out or down. Use whatever he gets from Barr, etc. State the truth, and hope the party ofeiholders help him.

Wouldn't it be another pleasant surprise, if he succeeds?

Think 1972 and 1980 Silent Majority and Law&Order.

That would be a pleasant surprise, indeed.   What has always concerned me, though, is the stranglehold the mainstream media has, especially with less engaged voters.   The mainsteam media was far less blatantly biased and agenda-driven back in 1972 and 1980.   The current crop seems even more eager than the Dems themselves to tear the country apart.   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: txradioguy on October 09, 2019, 05:01:34 PM
Your political common sense and judgment is unchanged, since you touted Kasich.

Nobody can replace Trump if he runs. Any other GOP candidate gets clobbered, when 60+ million Trump voters reject the phule.

Barr-Durham have  to be heard, IG too.

Seems a few total GOP wusses here, caving into the attempted takeover, by turning on Trump.

@truth_seeker keep in mind where Jazzy is concerned...and despite his protestations to the contrary...ghe's not a Republican and he's not Conservative.

His motivations to have Trump step aside and ahve a squish like Kasich or one of the other two take his palce isn't to save or better the GOP...it's purely to grease the skids for the Dems to win.  He's a Progressive through and through and he thinks he's being slick with this fake middle of the road Republican act he puts on.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 05:07:01 PM

His motivations to have Trump step aside and ahve a squish like Kasich

Currently,  I'm supporting Mark Sanford.  Even @roamer_1 will tell you he's a proven fiscal conservative.   And my dream candidate is Nikki Haley.  Imagine if Trump would decline to run for re-election and throw his support to Haley.   The Trump base would remain on board,  other Republicans would return to the fold,  we'd appeal to both independents and women,  and we could kick Warren's skinny wrinkled socialist ass all the way back to the reservation.   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: libertybele on October 09, 2019, 05:17:15 PM
I am perfectly willing to vote for a candidate who is generally conservative,  even if I do not agree with everything he or she says.    I am generally content to try to move the ball forward,  and don't disagree with you that, in many ways, Trump has advanced the ball.   

But that's not the issue we face,  a year out from the election.   I think it would be a profound mistake for the GOP to renominate Donald Trump because, as unfair as it is,  he is damaged goods to most in the electorate.  Despite an economic boom and unprecedented full employment,  his approval ratings have never breached 50 percent.   Half the electorate cannot stand the man,  for reasons you may blame on a partisan press or Trump's combative, knee-jerk nature (which you may well admire),  but reality is what it is.  If Trump is the nominee,  the election will be a referendum on his personality and leadership,  not on his policies.  And that is a recipe for disaster. 

And the reality is, increasingly, that the Dems will nominate someone who is truly radical and promises to unmoor this nation from its Constitutional, capitalist underpinnings.   That threat can be most effectively defeated by a GOP candidate who can attack the Dems' policy proposals without the distraction of the current reality show.

Yes,  the Dems want to impeach 63 million voters, and I applaud the President for calling out their kangaroo court.    Maybe the Constitutional crisis this has precipitated will lift Trump's poll numbers.   But what it will certainly do is further distract voters' minds from the President's policy accomplishments,  and the dangerous policies proposed by his opponents.   I therefore, and with regret, cannot support Trump for the nomination and will work to defeat him, or urge him to not run for re-election (which I think is a real possibility).   

Donald Trump must not be our nominee.   If he is,  the Dems take the Presidency and the Senate, as things now stand.   That, above all, is the result that must be confronted and defeated.

Once again @Jazzhead UNLESS there is a viable candidate with the $$ and can get the voting base behind them and can actually win against Trump, he will be the GOP candidate and will  run for re-election. 

Two things that will stop him; a successful impeachment and removal from office or ill health.  IF either happens, the GOP is sunk. 

Personally I believe there is a better chance of the GOP keeping the Senate with Trump than without him.  The last thing we need is another RINO like Romney trying yet again for the Presidency.  He and the GOP will definitely lose. Conservatives don't want Mittens or any other RINO.  Sanford doesn't have a large enough voting base behind him nor the money, nor the ground game to battle corruption from the left.  That is reality.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 05:29:24 PM
@Mesaclone   @roamer_1

The truth can be very painful,can't it?

Especially when there are multiple paragraphs of it staring back at you.

Nah @sneakypete That ain't the truth. Not even close. I listened to that bullshit for 25 years - 25 years where not a single damn thing changed. This time is no different.  Y'all ooh and ahh, and pet this chooch the same way the bushies did theirs. And when he is done, he will have done nothing.

SOSDD
 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 05:34:54 PM
@libertybele,  my vision for Mark Sanford isn't  necessarily that he win the nomination (although he'd make a fine President) but that he be a part of the constructive pressure brought to bear to convince Trump not to seek the GOP nomination.   We need to retain the GOP base (including those who are weary of the reality show) ,  and focus the campaign on vital issues,  including the danger of handing over a prosperous, full-employment economy to socialists and race baiters.

That discussion can't take place, I fear,  with a citizenry and media obsessed with the eccentricities of one man.

Trump has served his purpose.  It is time to move on to new leadership that can finish what he started, not destroy it.
 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: libertybele on October 09, 2019, 05:47:06 PM
@libertybele,  my vision for Mark Sanford isn't  necessarily that he win the nomination (although he'd make a fine President) but that he be a part of the constructive pressure brought to bear to convince Trump not to seek the GOP nomination.   We need to retain the GOP base (including those who are weary of the reality show) ,  and focus the campaign on vital issues,  including the danger of handing over a prosperous, full-employment economy to socialists and race baiters.

That discussion can't take place, I fear,  with a citizenry and media obsessed with the eccentricities of one man.

Trump has served his purpose.  It is time to move on to new leadership that can finish what he started, not destroy it.

 :facepalm2:  So ... you really think that Trump is going to see Sanford's run as a reason for him not to seek re-election?  Seriously.  As I have stated several times, unless there is truly a viable GOP candidate who can fill Trump's shoes, the GOP is better off with Trump than without him.  He still has a tremendous base and at the end of the day, it IS who can win against the bat crap crazies.  Right now no one but DJT has the $$ and the voting base behind him. Secondly, statistically very seldom does a president up for re-election replaced by another nominee.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Victoria33 on October 09, 2019, 06:30:41 PM
@Cyber Liberty

Thinking about Romney and Trump and the general voting public who tend to vote Republican.  I don't include the smaller number of fanatics about politics like this and other conservative political websites. I am speaking about  general public awareness.

The general voting Repubiican public definitely know Trump has been in trouble/caused trouble, uses foul language, insults leaders of other countries, since he became president and they know he is the subject of a possible impeachment.  That is what the general public knows from the evening and morning news and what they hear on their radio in transit to their office. 

Enter Romney:  Romney signs up to run for president.  Romney is a smooth talker, uses nice words; looks nice.  Possible voters will think he is the opposite of the loud mouth, nasty talker, fat Trump.  As these voters hear Romney in the actual campaign, and they will since the actual campaign will be on their radios and TVs, they vote for Romney.  Here is a man they could vote for to get rid of the present president who is upsetting their peace everyday when they get home from work.

It is possible Romney could be the candidate.  Could he win over a Democrat?  He would speak better than Biden in debates and Biden has memory problems, speaking problems.   He would have trouble debating Warren since she is sharp knowing what has and is, happening in government.  She has no trouble coming up with answers to questions and has no physical speaking problems.

This is all conjecture on my part as to what might happen.

 


Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: bigheadfred on October 09, 2019, 06:33:31 PM
Romney is a bedwetter.

Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 06:58:52 PM
@Cyber Liberty

Thinking about Romney and Trump and the general voting public who tend to vote Republican.  I don't include the smaller number of fanatics about politics like this and other conservative political websites. I am speaking about  general public awareness.

The general voting Repubiican public definitely know Trump has been in trouble/caused trouble, uses foul language, insults leaders of other countries, since he became president and they know he is the subject of a possible impeachment.  That is what the general public knows from the evening and morning news and what they hear on their radio in transit to their office. 

Enter Romney:  Romney signs up to run for president.  Romney is a smooth talker, uses nice words; looks nice.  Possible voters will think he is the opposite of the loud mouth, nasty talker, fat Trump.  As these voters hear Romney in the actual campaign, and they will since the actual campaign will be on their radios and TVs, they vote for Romney.  Here is a man they could vote for to get rid of the present president who is upsetting their peace everyday when they get home from work.

It is possible Romney could be the candidate.  Could he win over a Democrat?  He would speak better than Biden in debates and Biden has memory problems, speaking problems.   He would have trouble debating Warren since she is sharp knowing what has and is, happening in government.  She has no trouble coming up with answers to questions and has no physical speaking problems.

This is all conjecture on my part as to what might happen.

I don't give a crap anymore.  I'm tired of fighting a two-front war, so I'm done with it.

Y'all do what you want, you will anyway.  May you find the King you are looking for, and may those chains rest lightly upon you.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: libertybele on October 09, 2019, 07:08:47 PM
@Cyber Liberty

Thinking about Romney and Trump and the general voting public who tend to vote Republican.  I don't include the smaller number of fanatics about politics like this and other conservative political websites. I am speaking about  general public awareness.

The general voting Repubiican public definitely know Trump has been in trouble/caused trouble, uses foul language, insults leaders of other countries, since he became president and they know he is the subject of a possible impeachment.  That is what the general public knows from the evening and morning news and what they hear on their radio in transit to their office. 

Enter Romney:  Romney signs up to run for president.  Romney is a smooth talker, uses nice words; looks nice.  Possible voters will think he is the opposite of the loud mouth, nasty talker, fat Trump.  As these voters hear Romney in the actual campaign, and they will since the actual campaign will be on their radios and TVs, they vote for Romney.  Here is a man they could vote for to get rid of the present president who is upsetting their peace everyday when they get home from work.

It is possible Romney could be the candidate.  Could he win over a Democrat?  He would speak better than Biden in debates and Biden has memory problems, speaking problems.   He would have trouble debating Warren since she is sharp knowing what has and is, happening in government.  She has no trouble coming up with answers to questions and has no physical speaking problems.

This is all conjecture on my part as to what might happen.

Except Romney's problem is he lost to Obama, which should have by all the indications and polls, been an easy victory.  If I recall Romney came across very weak in the debates and didn't show any ability whatsoever to fight for his beliefs.  Not exactly presidential material, especially with the insanity on the left that he would face.

With impeachment on the brink, a possible downturn in the economy and what he just did in the Middle East., I think that our Republic and the GOP needs a miracle.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
Except Romney's problem is he lost to Obama, which should have by all the indications and polls, been an easy victory.  If I recall Romney came across very weak in the debates and didn't show any ability whatsoever to fight for his beliefs.  Not exactly presidential material, especially with the insanity on the left that he would face.

With impeachment on the brink, a possible downturn in the economy and what he just did in the Middle East., I think that our Republic and the GOP needs a miracle.

Romney was doing fine in the debates, until he discovered he was against Candy Crowley as well as Obama, so he threw in the towel, just as surely as McCain did in October, 2008 when he came out and endorsed Obama for President.

Screw the Country, said Romney, and his attitude has not changed one iota. 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Mesaclone on October 09, 2019, 07:16:59 PM
Nah @sneakypete That ain't the truth. Not even close. I listened to that bullshit for 25 years - 25 years where not a single damn thing changed. This time is no different.  Y'all ooh and ahh, and pet this chooch the same way the bushies did theirs. And when he is done, he will have done nothing.

SOSDD

The clear and irrefutable fallacy in your logic is that he has already done much. Many important achievements...as I listed...are already achieved and many are demonstrably progressing. Moreso even then Reagan’s first 3 years...and my guess is you consider Reagan to have been a quality president. You’ve allowed emotion to obviate reason....and so have locked yourself into a self defeating paradigm in which no conservative President could ever be worthy.

It’s sad, actually...I think most of us feel great sorrow for you...and concern that you are part of that great Conservative tendency to defeat ourselves with internicine struggle whilst the lockstep Left marches to impose its will on the nation.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 07:36:02 PM
The clear and irrefutable fallacy in your logic is that he has already done much. Many important achievements...as I listed...are already achieved and many are demonstrably progressing. Moreso even then Reagan’s first 3 years...and my guess is you consider Reagan to have been a quality president. You’ve allowed emotion to obviate reason....and so have locked yourself into a self defeating paradigm in which no conservative President could ever be worthy.

It’s sad, actually...I think most of us feel great sorrow for you...and concern that you are part of that great Conservative tendency to defeat ourselves with internicine struggle whilst the lockstep Left marches to impose its will on the nation.

No really, he has not. A great percentage is by executive order - and will evaporate with the next dem administration. What we get to keep so far is a corporate tax cut, many judges of questionable value, a splintered Republican party, and foreign policy in disarray... Oh, and a galvanized and unified Democrat party.

The TEA party had it right. Ground-up restructuring from the county level on up. Overturning governorships, state and local legislatures, all the way on up. Then you get a political machine you can use. Because it is seldom one man that can move a country. There has to be a greater mechanism.

And while y'all spend political capital saving your precious orange idiot, all around him turns to dust.
There is your republican tendency to shoot itself in the foot - What you are doing right now.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: bigheadfred on October 09, 2019, 07:40:31 PM
No really, he has not. A great percentage is by executive order - and will evaporate with the next dem administration. What we get to keep so far is a corporate tax cut, many judges of questionable value, a splintered Republican party, and foreign policy in disarray... Oh, and a galvanized and unified Democrat party.

The TEA party had it right. Ground-up restructuring from the county level on up. Overturning governorships, state and local legislatures, all the way on up. Then you get a political machine you can use. Because it is seldom one man that can move a country. There has to be a greater mechanism.

And while y'all spend political capital saving your precious orange idiot, all around him turns to dust.
There is your republican tendency to shoot itself in the foot - What you are doing right now.

I'm not seeing your description of the Dems. They are a unified shitshow.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on October 09, 2019, 07:40:45 PM
Except Romney's problem is he lost to Obama, which should have by all the indications and polls, been an easy victory.  If I recall Romney came across very weak in the debates and didn't show any ability whatsoever to fight for his beliefs.  Not exactly presidential material, especially with the insanity on the left that he would face.

With impeachment on the brink, a possible downturn in the economy and what he just did in the Middle East., I think that our Republic and the GOP needs a miracle.

Romney was a freakin pit bull.  He fought like hell in the debates, attacking his enemies mercilessly.

Then he won the Republican nomination.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 07:42:05 PM
No really, he has not. A great percentage is by executive order - and will evaporate with the next dem administration. What we get to keep so far is a corporate tax cut, many judges of questionable value, a splintered Republican party, and foreign policy in disarray... Oh, and a galvanized and unified Democrat party.

The TEA party had it right. Ground-up restructuring from the county level on up. Overturning governorships, state and local legislatures, all the way on up. Then you get a political machine you can use. Because it is seldom one man that can move a country. There has to be a greater mechanism.

And while y'all spend political capital saving your precious orange idiot, all around him turns to dust.
There is your republican tendency to shoot itself in the foot - What you are doing right now.

Who, and why on earth should anybody care?  The system is rigged.

I simply see no reason to give a damn.  No reason to keep fighting, so piss on them all.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 07:44:10 PM
:facepalm2:  So ... you really think that Trump is going to see Sanford's run as a reason for him not to seek re-election?  Seriously.

Well, that's not what I said, @libertybele.  I said he could be "part of the constructive pressure" brought to bear to convince Trump not to run for re-election.  I want to see a changing of the guard,  not internecine warfare that would destroy the party.

Trump was right for 2016, but he isn't right for 2020.   Consistently low approval ratings, despite a booming economy and jobs to be had,  is a sign of both danger and the unlikelihood that Trump can or will do anything to change things.  We don't need a change in direction, we just need a new leader.   It's what smart companies do all the time.  First they succeed with a change agent at the helm, then they switch to a leader who can preserve and protect the ground gained.   

That's where we are now, with the price of failure unacceptably high given the Dems' obsession with radicalism.   Trump must be replaced as the nominee,  by the constructive bringing of pressure.  Sanford can be a part of that, I think,  since he represents a serious and constructive critique that attracts traditional Republicans, those who are animated by such things as fiscal discipline and responsibility.  He's not a gadfly like Weld or a nutball like that Eagles guy.  He can be. at least for now, the place where the sensible critics of the President  can coalesce.   

Others must also get word to Trump that there is more at stake than his ego -  GOP control of the Senate and the means to confirm Constitutionalist judicial nominees, for starters.  McConnell, I think, ought to be able to get through to him that perhaps his greatest legacy will be those judges, serving decades into the future,  and it is critical to keep the Senate as a firewall.   



 
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/ . .  unless there is truly a viable GOP candidate who can fill Trump's shoes . . .

I think there is.   
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 07:46:27 PM
I'm not seeing your description of the Dems. They are a unified shitshow.

Sure enough... But unified all the same. They will come out in droves to defeat the orange man.
And Republicans will not provide a unified defense. The party is hopelessly splintered. Tumpy has not provided unity.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 07:46:48 PM
Romney was a freakin pit bull.  He fought like hell in the debates, attacking his enemies mercilessly.

Then he won the Republican nomination.

And these are our "champions."  When we get someone who seems to want to do better, both sides turn on him, because he's not perfect.

I'm willing to battle Democrats all day long, but when it turns out Republicans won't fight them either and would rather fight me, I feel rather alone on the battlefield.  I'm tired, Boss, and there's nobody in the foxhole with me.

The whole country can enjoy their joyride to Hell, I don't care anymore.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 07:48:27 PM
Who, and why on earth should anybody care?  The system is rigged.

I simply see no reason to give a damn.  No reason to keep fighting, so piss on them all.

Sure it is. But I will keep fighting, tooth and nail. The difference being that I now serve Conservatism, not Republicans. I will vote for a Conservative every time.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: bigheadfred on October 09, 2019, 07:48:30 PM
There probably is, @Jazzhead.

Convincing 65 million voters is another thing.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 07:51:58 PM
And these are our "champions."  When we get someone who seems to want to do better, both sides turn on him, because he's not perfect.

It has nothing to do with being perfect. I certainly am not looking for perfect.
Start in principled conservatism. Agree on that. There is plenty of room for compromise beyond that.

Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 07:55:27 PM
It has nothing to do with being perfect. I certainly am not looking for perfect.
Start in principled conservatism. Agree on that. There is plenty of room for compromise beyond that.

Whatever the reason, it's imperative we Impeach the Orange Bastard. 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 07:56:21 PM
Whatever the reason, it's imperative we Impeach the Orange Bastard.

Nope. That ain't coming from me.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 07:59:44 PM
Nope. That ain't coming from me.

Nope, not that I can see.  But we will all get to live with the consequences. 

I'll continue to work to help my local politicians, but I give up on all the rest.  I can't afford to be the only one in the foxhole, which is the way it is today.  Drawbridge up.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 07:59:50 PM
There probably is, @Jazzhead.

Convincing 65 million voters is another thing.

I'd like to think that, without the distraction of Donald Trump and the reality show, we can convince 65 million to oppose socialism,  support a dynamic, growing economy, and vote to revive Dr. King's dream of a nation that rewards the content of individual character.

@bigheadfred 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 08:02:27 PM
Nope. That ain't coming from me.

Nor from me.  I want neither the man, nor the 63 million who voted for him, impeached. 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
Nope, not that I can see.  But we will all get to live with the consequences. 

I'll continue to work to help my local politicians, but I give up on all the rest.  I can't afford to be the only one in the foxhole, which is the way it is today.  Drawbridge up.

Don't be foolish.  It more than a year from the election.  It is precisely the time for the two parties to be figuring out who will lead them.   What is wrong with constructive opposition to Trump from fellow Republicans and conservatives?  No one here wants to see the Democrats win. 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 08:06:46 PM
Nor from me.  I want neither the man, nor the 63 million who voted for him, impeached.

He will be anyway, because he's now officially beneath the protections of the law.  Even the so-called "conservatives" are rubbing their hands with glee. Its more important to be seen as having been correct, sailing over the waterfall with all flags flying, than to stoop to insisting the Bill of Rights apply to everybody, even Presidents they don't like.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: libertybele on October 09, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
I'd like to think that, without the distraction of Donald Trump and the reality show, we can convince 65 million to oppose socialism,  support a dynamic, growing economy, and vote to revive Dr. King's dream of a nation that rewards the content of individual character.

@bigheadfred

Again, we have to have a principled conservative willing to oppose Trump, willing to go through all the corruption that the left will sling, and have the money to stay in the race till election day.  Time is ticking ... getting onto the ballot, getting a ground game together and getting the money machine behind them becomes more difficult with each passing day.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: The Ghost on October 09, 2019, 08:06:54 PM
Whatever the reason, it's imperative we Impeach the Orange Bastard.

Step up usual suspects;:

Victoris33
Onceless
OTC
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 08:08:54 PM
Nope, not that I can see.  But we will all get to live with the consequences. 

Well, maybe putting a bull in the china shop wasn't such a great idea.

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I'll continue to work to help my local politicians, but I give up on all the rest.  I can't afford to be the only one in the foxhole, which is the way it is today.  Drawbridge up.

Me too. there is nothing for Conservatism in the current federal climate.
I will keep working with the TEA Party, and continue to put a shoulder to the CP, and I will vote for any Conservative I can find, regardless of party.

But the Republican national leadership needs to go. All of it.
Maybe if it is restructured I could come back. Time will tell.
As it is, it is useless, and has been my entire life.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 08:09:13 PM
He will be anyway, because he's now officially beneath the protections of the law.  Even the so-called "conservatives" are rubbing their hands with glee. Its more important to be seen as having been correct, sailing over the waterfall with all flags flying, than to stoop to insisting the Bill of Rights apply to everybody, even Presidents they don't like.

You know darn well that's not my position.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 08:11:24 PM
Don't be foolish.  It more than a year from the election.  It is precisely the time for the two parties to be figuring out who will lead them.   What is wrong with constructive opposition to Trump from fellow Republicans and conservatives?  No one here wants to see the Democrats win.

Nope.  I'm gone.  I don't want to see the Rats win either, but the Republican'ts decided to split the party so we can't get elected anybody dog catcher anymore.  Ohmygosh!  He tweeted a mean thing!  Let him be Impeached!  We can't even agree a President should be subject to due process anymore.  One has to be a Democrat now, if he expects to lead.

As the last man in the foxhole, I have to tell you, "You're on your own now."

"If voting ever actually changed anything, it would be illegal."
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 08:13:59 PM
You know darn well that's not my position.

I don't care.  That may not be your desire, but that is the effect and that's what matters.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 08:15:34 PM
Well, maybe putting a bull in the china shop wasn't such a great idea.

Me too. there is nothing for Conservatism in the current federal climate.
I will keep working with the TEA Party, and continue to put a shoulder to the CP, and I will vote for any Conservative I can find, regardless of party.

But the Republican national leadership needs to go. All of it.
Maybe if it is restructured I could come back. Time will tell.
As it is, it is useless, and has been my entire life.

It will be a time when the name, "United States of America" is just a phrase in an old history book.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Jazzhead on October 09, 2019, 08:19:05 PM
Don't confuse prudence for nihilism.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2019, 08:19:34 PM
It will be a time when the name, "United States of America" is just a phrase in an old history book.

Rightly so if we cannot return ourselves to our foundations.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: bigheadfred on October 09, 2019, 08:29:55 PM
I'd like to think that, without the distraction of Donald Trump and the reality show, we can convince 65 million to oppose socialism,  support a dynamic, growing economy, and vote to revive Dr. King's dream of a nation that rewards the content of individual character.

@bigheadfred

Ain't going to happen.

The big push is towards the Singularity. Reality will become a distraction. And anyone showing signs of individual character pushed off  to the edge and labeled part of the lunatic fringe.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 08:46:00 PM
Don't confuse prudence for nihilism.

There is no functional difference. 
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 08:49:28 PM
Rightly so if we cannot return ourselves to our foundations.

It's too late.  The majority have figured out they can vote themselves largess from the Treasury, and you know what happens after that.  As I've noted many times:  The takers now outnumber the makers.  When we choose to stop giving, the takers will turn to violence, comfortable in their SJW "morals."  The game's been over for some time now.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 08:52:30 PM
Ain't going to happen.

The big push is towards the Singularity. Reality will become a distraction. And anyone showing signs of individual character pushed off  to the edge and labeled part of the lunatic fringe.

Hell, we can't even expect anybody to follow the Constitution anymore.  At this point, the Constitution is whatever Pelosi and McConnell decide it is at a given moment, and Republicans with Class are OK with that as long as they get to keep their sinecures.  Hint:  Your liberty and mine is NOT in their goal.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Fishrrman on October 09, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
Cyber mused:
"It will be a time when the name, "United States of America" is just a phrase in an old history book."

I sense that time is "now".
Look at states like California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont.

Are they still part of the older, traditional "United" States?
Or do their voters and governments harbor other notions?

We are in a state of "cold civil war" right now, with states like California actively in sedition against certain federal laws (such as immigration).

It's 1857 all over again.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Cyber mused:
"It will be a time when the name, "United States of America" is just a phrase in an old history book."

I sense that time is "now".
Look at states like California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont.

Are they still part of the older, traditional "United" States?
Or do their voters and governments harbor other notions?

We are in a state of "cold civil war" right now, with states like California actively in sedition against certain federal laws (such as immigration).

It's 1857 all over again.

The time is now.  Your time-frame to the Soviet States of America is off.  If the Rats get away with this coup, nobody will ever dare resist them again.

Buy more ammo, because however much you have, it isn't enough.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: libertybele on October 09, 2019, 09:11:53 PM
Rightly so if we cannot return ourselves to our foundations.

Exactly.  The very root of the problems that this country is facing is because we have failed to hold our politicians responsible and accountable for not adhering to the Constitution; the very principles upon which this country was founded. 

I know of very few Constitutional conservatives within our government; certainly Pelosi and McConnell are poor leaders.  We have vast corruption in every corner of our government including the DOJ.

I don't see that we as a country our making any headway in maintaining our Republic.  We seem to be digging a deeper hole.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 09:19:23 PM
Exactly.  The very root of the problems that this country is facing is because we have failed to hold our politicians responsible and accountable for not adhering to the Constitution; the very principles upon which this country was founded. 

I know of very few Constitutional conservatives within our government; certainly Pelosi and McConnell are poor leaders.  We have vast corruption in every corner of our government including the DOJ.

I don't see that we as a country our making any headway in maintaining our Republic.  We seem to be digging a deeper hole.

I think that ship has already sailed.  When people who call themselves "conservative" have signed on to the coup attempt, then it can be said the majority of the country does not want a Republic anymore.  Don't look around the foxhole, you are alone in it.  The Army deserted.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: libertybele on October 09, 2019, 09:19:42 PM
The time is now.  Your time-frame to the Soviet States of America is off.  If the Rats get away with this coup, nobody will ever dare resist them again.

Buy more ammo, because however much you have, it isn't enough.

If the coup is successful we will no longer have a two party system.  We will no longer be a Republic.  We will become a socialistic entity and when that happens, short of a revolution, there will be no come back.

In Ron Paul's book "The Revolution", the very last lines the he wrote now perhaps take on a different meaning but still rings true..."If freedom is what we want, it is ours for the taking.  Let the Revolution begin".
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: bigheadfred on October 09, 2019, 09:19:54 PM
Exactly.  The very root of the problems that this country is facing is because we have failed to hold our politicians responsible and accountable for not adhering to the Constitution; the very principles upon which this country was founded. 

I know of very few Constitutional conservatives within our government; certainly Pelosi and McConnell are poor leaders.  We have vast corruption in every corner of our government including the DOJ.

I don't see that we as a country our making any headway in maintaining our Republic.  We seem to be digging a deeper hole.

I see a lot of worn-out people in this country. Tired of it all. Like @Cyber Liberty. Like me. Time to do some nation-building here. Not in the ME or anywhere else, but here.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on October 09, 2019, 09:25:42 PM
Don't be foolish.  It more than a year from the election.  It is precisely the time for the two parties to be figuring out who will lead them.   What is wrong with constructive opposition to Trump from fellow Republicans and conservatives?  No one here wants to see the Democrats win.
How can anyone say 'constructive' and 'Romney' in the same sentence?
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 09:27:32 PM
I see a lot of worn-out people in this country. Tired of it all. Like @Cyber Liberty. Like me. Time to do some nation-building here. Not in the ME or anywhere else, but here.

I think the great Experiment has failed, so it's time to get local.  I'm looking at the City Council now.  I don't GAF about who's President anymore, because if they're any good they'll be toppled in favor of a group who will maintain their status quo.  We're watching it now, with people we once thought of as friends changing sides and helping the socialists.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: txradioguy on October 09, 2019, 09:28:20 PM
How can anyone say 'constructive' and 'Romney' in the same sentence?

And say it with a straight face as well
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 09, 2019, 09:28:54 PM
How can anyone say 'constructive' and 'Romney' in the same sentence?

With the same aplomb you will find people saying "Kasich" and "conservatism" in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: bigheadfred on October 09, 2019, 09:35:50 PM
How can anyone say 'constructive' and 'Romney' in the same sentence?

You just did.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Once-Ler on October 09, 2019, 10:44:10 PM
Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
by Jim Hoft October 6, 2019

Oh, please be true!

:amen: said every rat in America.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Victoria33 on October 11, 2019, 04:16:58 PM
Step up usual suspects;:
Victoris33
Onceless
OTC
@The Ghost

Democrats will impeach as they have the votes - Senate won't convict so no point in impeaching.  You don't know what I think so you should ask instead of listing me as something I am not.   :chairbang:
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 11, 2019, 04:24:52 PM
@The Ghost

Democrats will impeach as they have the votes - Senate won't convict so no point in impeaching.  You don't know what I think so you should ask instead of listing me as something I am not.   :chairbang:

I hope I am incorrect, but I thought you posted you favor Impeachment and Removal?
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Once-Ler on October 11, 2019, 04:26:39 PM
@The Ghost

Democrats will impeach as they have the votes - Senate won't convict so no point in impeaching.  You don't know what I think so you should ask instead of listing me as something I am not.   :chairbang:

I'll let @Victoria33 speak for me too Gus
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: verga on October 11, 2019, 10:12:40 PM
I hope I am incorrect, but I thought you posted you favor Impeachment and Removal?
I must admit that part of me favors impeachment just to watch the Dems make fools of themselves. There are around 40 Dems that took very narrow victories in states that Trump won. When they go on the record voting to impeach and Trump is acquitted it will be game over for them and the house goes Republican again.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: Once-Ler on October 11, 2019, 10:26:01 PM
I must admit that part of me favors impeachment just to watch the Dems make fools of themselves.
I pray you get your wish,  in fact, I'm pretty sure you will get your wish you lucky devil.
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: bigheadfred on October 11, 2019, 10:36:13 PM
I pray you get your wish,  in fact, I'm pretty sure you will get your wish you lucky devil.
@verga

Is this one of those things where the blind leading the blind takes the lead?
Title: Re: Rumblings: Mitt Romney Is Weighing a Primary Challenge to Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on October 12, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
I must admit that part of me favors impeachment just to watch the Dems make fools of themselves. There are around 40 Dems that took very narrow victories in states that Trump won. When they go on the record voting to impeach and Trump is acquitted it will be game over for them and the house goes Republican again.

@verga

Won't make any difference if it does because the Dims will just do what they did last time,switch parties and become "instant Republicans". And the fools that run the alleged Republican Party will throw parties to celebrate the event,and maybe even give a few committee chairmanships to reward them for switching over.

Meahwhile,the new "Republicans" will be working night and day to destroy our nation,just like they were doing when they were still official Dims.