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Title: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: mystery-ak on July 19, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
by Cristina Laila July 18, 2019

Fired FBI Director James Comey came for Trump supporters on Thursday and said it’s time to send Trump’s “mob back to their dark corner.”

Comey’s tweet Thursday attacking Trump supporters is in response to chants of “send her back” heard at Trump’s North Carolina rally Wednesday evening after the president brought up Dem Rep. Ilhan Omar.

Ilhan Omar, a Somali-born Democrat Congresswoman in Minnesota married her own brother to defraud US immigration, filed fraudulent tax returns and perjured herself many times according to documents and reports.
 

Ilhan Omar also supports terrorist organizations, fundraises with Hamas front group CAIR and refuses to condemn Al-Qaeda.

“We have long had ugly margins in this country, but we are a fundamentally decent people, with shared values. We treasure our identity as a nation of immigrants. With our voices and our 2020 votes, we must send Donald Trump and his mob back to their dark corner,” Comey said on Thursday.

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Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2019, 09:17:48 AM
Mr. Comey is going to look great in that orange jumpsuit!
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 19, 2019, 10:43:23 AM
The more Comey talks, the more he proves Trump was right in canning him - except doing it in January, 2017 would have been better, in hindsight.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 10:51:06 AM
Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
by Cristina Laila July 18, 2019

Fired FBI Director James Comey came for Trump supporters on Thursday and said it’s time to send Trump’s “mob back to their dark corner.”

Comey’s tweet Thursday attacking Trump supporters is in response to chants of “send her back” heard at Trump’s North Carolina rally Wednesday evening after the president brought up Dem Rep. Ilhan Omar.

Ilhan Omar, a Somali-born Democrat Congresswoman in Minnesota married her own brother to defraud US immigration, filed fraudulent tax returns and perjured herself many times according to documents and reports.
 

Ilhan Omar also supports terrorist organizations, fundraises with Hamas front group CAIR and refuses to condemn Al-Qaeda.

“We have long had ugly margins in this country, but we are a fundamentally decent people, with shared values. We treasure our identity as a nation of immigrants. With our voices and our 2020 votes, we must send Donald Trump and his mob back to their dark corner,” Comey said on Thursday.

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/comey-comes-for-trump-supporters-we-must-sent-trump-and-his-mob-back-to-their-dark-corner/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/comey-comes-for-trump-supporters-we-must-sent-trump-and-his-mob-back-to-their-dark-corner/)

Comey's attitude is exactly why I went from being "I can barely stomach voting for this guy but I will" to "I hope we re-elect Trump just to piss off all the right people."

I'm incensed at the attitude among educated elites that the hoi polloi who voted for Trump are so beneath them.  There's this attitude/concept that we really shouldn't be able to vote for someone unless they pass the linen-napkin standards of our betters.  That if someone is "unfit" in their view, they need to be removed.

Well, screw them even though I suppose I fall within the educated elite myself.  You don't get more votes than "ordinary" people just because of your breeding, degrees, wealth, or better manners.  I've voted GOP my entire life -- I worked for Reagans' campaign as a volunteer way back in 1980 when I was just 18.  But if the "GOP elites" torpedo Trump, I will never vote for another Republican again. 

If we end up going down the road where the GOP elites sabotage Trump, I'd rather burn the whole thing down, let the socialists take over, and take it to the mattresses.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 12:17:05 PM
Why is it "elitism" to insist on tact and decorum in public discourse?     Why is it "elitism" to decry the ginning up of mobs?   

I understand perfectly well the "Eff off" attitude toward the Democrats, who are snakes in the grass.   But we can do better than Trump.   
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: dfwgator on July 19, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
Bring it!
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Once-Ler on July 19, 2019, 12:21:25 PM
If we end up going down the road where the GOP elites sabotage Trump, I'd rather burn the whole thing down, let the socialists take over, and take it to the mattresses.

If we end up going down the road where the GOP elites excuse chants of "Send Them Back," I'd rather burn the whole thing down, let the socialists take over, and take it to the mattresses.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: skeeter on July 19, 2019, 12:28:25 PM
Comey's attitude is exactly why I went from being "I can barely stomach voting for this guy but I will" to "I hope we re-elect Trump just to piss off all the right people."

I'm incensed at the attitude among educated elites that the hoi polloi who voted for Trump are so beneath them.  There's this attitude/concept that we really shouldn't be able to vote for someone unless they pass the linen-napkin standards of our betters.  That if someone is "unfit" in their view, they need to be removed.

Well, screw them even though I suppose I fall within the educated elite myself.  You don't get more votes than "ordinary" people just because of your breeding, degrees, wealth, or better manners.  I've voted GOP my entire life -- I worked for Reagans' campaign as a volunteer way back in 1980 when I was just 18.  But if the "GOP elites" torpedo Trump, I will never vote for another Republican again. 

If we end up going down the road where the GOP elites sabotage Trump, I'd rather burn the whole thing down, let the socialists take over, and take it to the mattresses.

I guess we'd better prepare for the worst, since so many of our 'allies' get the vapors over 13 seconds worth of spontaneous, if ill advised, chanting.

This while our opponents are becoming consumed by their anti semitic, racist & increasingly violent fringe.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 12:36:30 PM
I guess we'd better prepare for the worst, since so many of our 'allies' get the vapors over 13 seconds worth of spontaneous, if ill advised, chanting.

This while our opponents are becoming consumed by their anti semitic, racist & increasingly violent fringe.

So we should stoop to their level?   
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 19, 2019, 12:39:07 PM
So we should stoop to their level?

Maybe if we don't, we keep losing. :shrug:
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 12:43:48 PM
Maybe if we don't, we keep losing. :shrug:

I'd rather try to shame them regarding the tactics they employ, rather than replicate them.    Note that the shameless Dems are doing just that - accusing Republicans of excusing or encouraging mobs.       
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: skeeter on July 19, 2019, 12:49:14 PM
So we should stoop to their level?

Not sure how you got that from what I wrote, but there is a difference between refusing to play by rules of the political game they impose upon us and 'stooping to their level'.

You seem happy with the rules as they are currently enforced. I am not. You can choose to swoon over a few seconds of chanting while shrugging off the left's gross racism & violence as 'oh well thats just how they are'. I won't.

Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 12:53:05 PM
Why is it "elitism" to insist on tact and decorum in public discourse?     Why is it "elitism" to decry the ginning up of mobs?   

I understand perfectly well the "Eff off" attitude toward the Democrats, who are snakes in the grass.   But we can do better than Trump.

Sure we can, in theory anyway.  But Trump was the nominee, which made the alternative choice in the general election something much worse.  That is, except for some of the elites in the GOP who value decorum and being a member of the "club" over principles like individual liberty, free speech, etc..  And if those particular GOP elites manage to submarine Trump for 2020 -- which will absolutely guarantee a Democrat victory because of the millions of pissed-off Trump voters who will stay home -- then I'm done.   There is no way in hell I'm supporting a party that prioritizes style and collegiality over substance.

Now, maybe your point is that there are some Republicans who believe we can 1) force Trump out as the nominee by pressuring him to quit, and then 2) win the general election with the replacement candidate.  And I agree -- some NT'ers actually believe the best way to win in 2020 is to force Trump out, though I personally believe that is borderline delusional.  Because to have any hope of 1), you'd have to absolutely trash Trump publicly, to the point where he'd become convinced (which he never would anyway...) that his only choice is to quit.  But in doing 1), you'd so piss off hordes of people who like Trump that they'd abandon you in the general election, so 2) could never happen.  Forcing Trump out would forfeit the general election, and likely led to wholesale abandonment of down-ticket Republicans by many of those Trump voters.  So, I think there are comparatively few people who actually believe that is possible to force Trump out and still win the general election.

Be that as it may, I think those people are just wrong, not rotten.  I don't resent them.

But I think the larger group of Republicans out there trying to trash Trump care much less about 2) than about 1).  They simply hate the guy, and would prefer a more "civil" Democrat win the general election than Trump, whom they personally find so odious...along with many of his supporters.  And in that group I'd put any Republican politician who either voted for Hillary, didn't vote for Trump, and/or wouldn't vote for Trump in 2020 if he was the nominee.  So the Bushes, Kasich, Flake, Romney, and the rest of that ilk.  "He's rude, so I'd rather have a socialist/statist who isn't as rude."

And like I said above, I'd rather see the party destroyed and the Democrats win than let the slow death linen napkin crowd march us all merrily down the road to serfdom.

Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: skeeter on July 19, 2019, 01:08:32 PM

But I think the larger group of Republicans out there trying to trash Trump care much less about 2) than about 1).  They simply hate the guy, and would prefer a more "civil" Democrat win the general election than Trump, whom they personally find so odious...along with many of his supporters. 


What is really disgusting is those same elitists spent decades throwing red meat to those same voters - flag burning bills, gratuitous abortion, balanced budget or border security bills never intended to pass - knowing they needed the rubes on board.

When the yokels complained too loudly about the bland character of the candidates the elites offered they were browbeaten as 'unappeasables' and urged to suck it up, over and over. And for the most part they did. My how things have changed.

When Trump has left the scene the GOP elite will go right back to p*ssing on this demographic while telling them they're the salt of the earth.

Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 01:13:15 PM
@Maj. Bill Martin , you ignore what I think is the most likely scenario -  Trump is the nominee and goes down in defeat and takes the GOP Senate majority with him.   It won't be NeverTrump Republicans who do that, but swing voters  - swing voters fed up with the tenor of political discourse.   

I want to prevent that scenario while there's still time.   Main Street Republicans must urge Trump to step down if he cannot change (yes, even at the expense of losing a portion of the mob).       
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 01:13:55 PM

When Trump has left the scene the GOP elite will go right back to p*ssing on this demographic while telling them they're the salt of the earth.

Trump is a blowhard who pisses me off a lot.  But at least he doesn't bend over every time the media chastizes him, and he is willing to push aggressively on immigration -- an issue on which much of the GOP has tried to sweep the concerns of the grassroots under the rug in favor of a "more enlightened" approach that depressed working class wages.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 19, 2019, 01:17:28 PM
Why is it "elitism" to insist on tact and decorum in public discourse?     Why is it "elitism" to decry the ginning up of mobs?   
...

That "tact and decorum" got pumped past the bridge over 35 years ago, by the Dems. The Rs simply pretended to themselves that they could remain above the fray and be successful. Trump saw that failure and is doing differently. And rather skillfully if you realize that he's far from out of control.

Edit: Fixed typo, "35" not "305".
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: skeeter on July 19, 2019, 01:20:17 PM
Trump is a blowhard who pisses me off a lot.  But at least he doesn't bend over every time the media chastizes him, and he is willing to push aggressively on immigration -- an issue on which much of the GOP has tried to sweep the concerns of the grassroots under the rug in favor of a "more enlightened" approach that depressed working class wages.

I had never cared for the guy, hadn't since the eighties. But he keeps plowing ahead so I've had to consider that I might've been wrong about his tactics. As I was wrong about his determination to follow through on his campaign platform.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 01:21:26 PM
@Maj. Bill Martin , you ignore what I think is the most likely scenario -  Trump is the nominee and goes down in defeat and takes the GOP Senate majority with him.

I'm not ignoring it.  I addressed it with my paragraph about those who want to replace Trump because they believe that's our best chance of winning the generall election.

Trump losing may well be the most likely scenario.  But Trump still has a better chance of winning than the 0% chance we'd have after 1) Republican politicians and "Wall Street Executives" publicly and relentlessly trashed Trump so as to try to destroy his support and force him to quit the race (which I'd put at less than 1% chance of success) and then 2) winning the general election after pissing off the huge numbers of Trump voters that 1) would alienate.  Moreover, given the overwhelming likelihood that Trump would not withdraw anyway, all those attacks would do would be to further trash him in the minds of swing voters and guarantee he (and Republicans in general) perform even worse in the general election.

So, Trump may not have a very good chance of winning, but he still has by far the best chance of winning over any other Republican, given the damage that would be caused by forcing Trump out.  I mean, just think of how that would look, and what Romney or whomever would be asking:

"Okay, now I know that I refused to rally around Trump while he was President, and have been spending all this time and energy trashing him.  But now that he's gone, I'm asking all you former Trump supporters to rally around me.  Because we really need to stick together now!"  That might set a world record for the most people simultaneously flipping the bird at someone.

You cannot replace Trump without permanently alienating tens of millions of people who supported him.  That is a guaranteed recipe for electoral disaster worse than anything we'd contemplate with Trump at the top of the ticket.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 19, 2019, 01:22:37 PM
I'd rather try to shame them regarding the tactics they employ, rather than replicate them.    Note that the shameless Dems are doing just that - accusing Republicans of excusing or encouraging mobs.     

You can go right ahead, it's still a free country.  Meanwhile, others will do what is necessary to win and move the ball in the direction we want.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 19, 2019, 01:27:59 PM
Comey's attitude is exactly why I went from being "I can barely stomach voting for this guy but I will" to "I hope we re-elect Trump just to piss off all the right people."
...

Once I realized Trump was actually a serious candidate - sometime late in 2015 or early 2016 - I was still unthrilled by the fact that much of his business entailed government entrepreneurship, wangling government into assisting his projects. I was also skeptical of his promises, since politicians promise gold but deliver the shaft. But looking at the HORROR that was and is Hillary ... I realized that at worst Trump would be vastly less harmful.

Two and a half years into his Presidency I see Trump as having kept many promises, and worked and working to keep others. Reading deeply between the lines, Trump's streamlining regs and discarding harmful regs seems to indicate that while he worked government, he also hated "having" to do so. And understands very well how excess government regs and involvement suppresses business growth and opportunities.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: dfwgator on July 19, 2019, 01:30:55 PM
Trump is a blowhard who pisses me off a lot.  But at least he doesn't bend over every time the media chastizes him, and he is willing to push aggressively on immigration -- an issue on which much of the GOP has tried to sweep the concerns of the grassroots under the rug in favor of a "more enlightened" approach that depressed working class wages.


Trump may be a blowhard, but it's precisely what we need right now.   Milquetoast Republicans aren't going to get it done.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Rivergirl on July 19, 2019, 01:34:41 PM
Perhaps Comey was referring to those illustrious people in the administration.    Of course, so many have departed due to charges of corruption.   Perhaps Comey actually read the Mueller report.
Anyone else sickened by the face America is showing to the rest of the world these days.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 01:46:00 PM
I'd rather try to shame them regarding the tactics they employ, rather than replicate them.    Note that the shameless Dems are doing just that - accusing Republicans of excusing or encouraging mobs.     

If your strategy for success is to shame those you concede are shameless, it seems pretty obvious that is doomed to fail.

As it has for the last 5 or so decades....
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 01:51:24 PM
Anyone else sickened by the face America is showing to the rest of the world these days.

I'm much less concerned about "keeping up appearances" to the rest of the world - most of which isn't worthy of licking our shoes anyway - than I am about the irretrievable loss of liberty that will result if a Democrat is elected.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 01:51:50 PM

Trump may be a blowhard, but it's precisely what we need right now.   Milquetoast Republicans aren't going to get it done.

That's a false choice.  Trump may be a fighter,  but he aspires to lead a faction, not a nation.   We need to preserve the policy successes of the last several years.   Trump's defeat will doom conservatism to years in the wilderness.    Trump needs to be persuaded to step down IN ORDER TO PRESERVE his victories and extend his policy priorities.  That requires a candidate who can grow the GOP coalition.   Trump is simply too polarizing to do that.   
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Rivergirl on July 19, 2019, 01:57:50 PM
Can't imagine a worse president than Obama.   Did you lose any liberty?
Do you believe our allies in Europe are of no use in any situation?   Do we never need a coalition in any event?
Or, perhaps common cause with Kim makes up for the disrespect from our allies.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: EdJames on July 19, 2019, 01:58:37 PM
That's a false choice.  Trump may be a fighter,  but he aspires to lead a faction, not a nation.   We need to preserve the policy successes of the last several years.   Trump's defeat will doom conservatism to years in the wilderness.    Trump needs to be persuaded to step down IN ORDER TO PRESERVE his victories and extend his policy priorities.  That requires a candidate who can grow the GOP coalition.   Trump is simply too polarizing to do that.   

Then why the hell don't you go about doing something to get that done?  Instead of effing whining about it constantly on these threads!  You're like an effing broken record.

@Jazzhead

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Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 02:05:23 PM
Why is it "elitism" to insist on tact and decorum in public discourse?     Why is it "elitism" to decry the ginning up of mobs?   

I understand perfectly well the "Eff off" attitude toward the Democrats, who are snakes in the grass.   But we can do better than Trump.

If it weren't Trump, their target would have been Cruz.  The snakes in the grass wanted someone like Bush or Kasich who would have continued to play their games.  Name one other person who has stood up to the Washington cartel?  Name one other person who is willing to stand up and challenge Trump and put up with the mudslinging from the leftists and socialists??  Only RINO appeasement will calm them.  Quite frankly, the very last thing we need is another RINO losing to the DEMS.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 02:05:41 PM
That's a false choice.  Trump may be a fighter,  but he aspires to lead a faction, not a nation.   

And I think that's the false choice.  The country is far too divided on very important, substantive issues for anyone to lead us all in a certain direction.  Fundamentally, we just do not agree on the direction in which we should be led.

Honestly, @Jazzhead , I do like you a lot as a poster, but your mindset strikes me as the exact problem with the more moderate/elitist wing of the GOP.  Putting so much emphasis on unity, decorum, and not "being divisive" ignores that we are no longer in the Cold War, with a perceived common enemy to unify us.  There is no longer a national consensus on capitalism v. socialism, individualism v collectivism, color-blindness as an idea versus race-consciousness, free speech v. restricting "hate-speech", etc.. 

We are factions at this point, and rather bitterly divided ones at that.  And that division isn't based on style or incivility, but on a true conflict of underlying values.  The left understood that first, and so fought aggressively again our judicial nominees while we were still voting 96-3 for Ruth Bader Ginsberg.  And they've been using horrible language against us for decades.  It's gotten to be a running joke how every single GOP Presidential nominee gets tagged as a racist.

I don't agree with some of Trump's needless provocations.  But I agree even less with the view of the moderates/elites in the GOP who refuse to recognize that we're in a real fight, and labor under the delusion of achieving some kind of national unity again.

Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 02:14:11 PM
And I think that's the false choice.  The country is far too divided on very important, substantive issues for anyone to lead us all in a certain direction.  Fundamentally, we just do not agree on the direction in which we should be led.

Honestly, @Jazzhead , I do like you a lot as a poster, but your mindset strikes me as the exact problem with the more moderate/elitist wing of the GOP.  Putting so much emphasis on unity, decorum, and not "being divisive" ignores that we are no longer in the Cold War, with a perceived common enemy to unify us.  There is no longer a national consensus on capitalism v. socialism, individualism v collectivism, color-blindness as an idea versus race-consciousness, etc.. 

We are factions at this point, and rather bitterly divided ones at that.  And that division isn't based on style or incivility, but on a true conflict of underlying values.  The left understood that first, and so fought aggressively again our judicial nominees while we were still voting 96-3 for Ruth Bader Ginsberg.  And they've been using horrible language against us for decades.  It's gotten to be a running joke how every single GOP Presidential nominee gets tagged as a racist.

I don't agree with some of Trump's needless provocations.  But I agree even less with the view of the moderates/elites in the GOP who refuse to recognize that we're in a real fight, and labor under the delusion of achieving some kind of national unity again.

 

:amen:   :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: truth_seeker on July 19, 2019, 02:21:47 PM
Trump's defeat will doom conservatism to years in the wilderness.   

Exactly what weak so called Republicans said about  Goldwater, Niixon, Reagan.


Trump's supporters comprise the largest bloc on the Right hands down.

The weak #nevertrumper faction you presume to speak for are laughable, for their losing records, bad predictions, bad advice.


The latest: Mark Sanford. He is all over the place, except solidly reliably behind the majority of conservatives in this country.

Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 02:29:46 PM
Trump's supporters comprise the largest bloc on the Right hands down.

If the GOP alienates them, it is completely doomed.  Better to support him and lose, because at least then you can come back with different candidates in 2022 and 2024, and have a shot with a more unified party.  Alienate his supporters, and too many of them won't return because they'll come to believe that the elites are running things no matter who wins the election.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: truth_seeker on July 19, 2019, 02:33:05 PM
Is It OK To Punch a Nazi? We Asked Berkeley Students.

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Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 02:34:05 PM
 
 Trump's defeat will doom conservatism to years in the wilderness.   

Bull.  What has doomed conservatism is voting again and again for the RINO's in Congress who pretend they are conservative, yet vote along with the DEMS.  The Jeb's, Kasich's, Rubio's, McCain's, Ryans, McConnells, Romneys, and those like them, have doomed conservatism.  Fortunately the biggest culprit is no longer alive to continue to wreak his havoc on the GOP.  Kasich and Jeb are pretty much out to pasture ... unfortunately, though, a little too late, I'm afraid.  Had McCain, Ryan, McConnell and the rest of the RINO's been voted out long ago, we'd be looking at a major victory at the border and a sure victory in 2020.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 02:44:50 PM
Exactly what weak so called Republicans said about  Goldwater, Niixon, Reagan.


Trump's supporters comprise the largest bloc on the Right hands down.

The weak #nevertrumper faction you presume to speak for are laughable, for their losing records, bad predictions, bad advice.


The latest: Mark Sanford. He is all over the place, except solidly reliably behind the majority of conservatives in this country.

I speak for no nevertrump faction, and do not seek the nomination of a "RINO".    I support most of the President's policies and want them to continue.   I support the President's judicial nominees and want more of the same.

But I am realistic enough to realize that with Trump as the nominee we will lose, and may even lose the Senate.    I am realistic enough to recognize that the Dems are increasingly radicalized,  and want Trump to be our nominee as much or more as you, RIV and Aligncare do.  WHY IS THAT, folks???   They want Trump to be our nominee because they know they can demonize him - and the Republican brand -  among the swing voters who will decide the election.    They want Trump to be our nominee because they know that he can and will inevitably destroy himself.   

It is crazy to do exactly as the Democrats want, and nominate a man they can credibly accuse of racism and ginning up mobs.   We need instead to take the fight to the Dems and expose their radicalism and their own bigotry.   Trump is the Great Distraction that prevents that fight from being effectively waged.     

It is only the summer of 2019.   It is not too late to change course, and nominate a candidate who will not just fight, but fight SMART.   
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Once-Ler on July 19, 2019, 02:47:38 PM
Bull.  What has doomed conservatism is voting again and again for the RINO's in Congress who pretend they are conservative, yet vote along with the DEMS.  The Jeb's, Kasich's, Rubio's, McCain's, Ryans, McConnells, Romneys, and those like them, have doomed conservatism.  Fortunately the biggest culprit is no longer alive to continue to wreak his havoc on the GOP.  Kasich and Jeb are pretty much out to pasture ... unfortunately, though, a little too late, I'm afraid.  Had McCain, Ryan, McConnell and the rest of the RINO's been voted out long ago, we'd be looking at a major victory at the border and a sure victory in 2020.

“Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore.  All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it’s been around.”  -  Rush Limbaugh
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Once-Ler on July 19, 2019, 02:56:42 PM
Trump is a blowhard who pisses me off a lot.  But at least he doesn't bend over every time the media chastizes him
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-disavows-send-her-back-chant-i-was-not-happy-with-it-i-disagree-with-it/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-disavows-send-her-back-chant-i-was-not-happy-with-it-i-disagree-with-it/)
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: dfwgator on July 19, 2019, 02:57:51 PM
“Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore.  All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it’s been around.”  -  Rush Limbaugh

Everybody's a fiscal conservative until they find out their pet program is getting cut.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: dfwgator on July 19, 2019, 02:59:19 PM
If it weren't Trump, their target would have been Cruz.  The snakes in the grass wanted someone like Bush or Kasich who would have continued to play their games.  Name one other person who has stood up to the Washington cartel?  Name one other person who is willing to stand up and challenge Trump and put up with the mudslinging from the leftists and socialists??  Only RINO appeasement will calm them.  Quite frankly, the very last thing we need is another RINO losing to the DEMS.

You think if Jeb or Kasich had won, they would have acted any different?  Look how they treated a liberal, like W, all those years.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 03:16:56 PM
You think if Jeb or Kasich had won, they would have acted any different?  Look how they treated a liberal, like W, all those years.

The false accusations and fake news media would have been greatly minimized and perhaps not even necessary as they would have had Jeb or Kasich marching to the tune of their drums.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: skeeter on July 19, 2019, 03:23:23 PM
Can't imagine a worse president than Obama.   Did you lose any liberty?
Do you believe our allies in Europe are of no use in any situation?   Do we never need a coalition in any event?
Or, perhaps common cause with Kim makes up for the disrespect from our allies.

I/we lost quite a bit of liberty under Obama. Under the government of my state, which has common cause with Obama, I'm using more every year.

I cannot believe anyone on this board believes Obama wasn't a near total disaster for the Constitution.

Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 04:26:09 PM
The false accusations and fake news media would have been greatly minimized and perhaps not even necessary as they would have had Jeb or Kasich marching to the tune of their drums.

Baloney.   There is a vast difference between the centrist but still pro-capitalist and liberty-centric views of Jeb or Kasich and the "woke" identity-politics socialism espoused by most of the poseurs running for the Dem nomination.   

The danger in 2020 is the gulf between Trump and, say, Bernie Sanders is so vast that it is difficult to predict how swing voters and independents will vote.   If the choice is that stark and unappealing,  I can see a respected moderate voice running as an independent.   
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 04:50:55 PM
Baloney.   There is a vast difference between the centrist but still pro-capitalist and liberty-centric views of Jeb or Kasich and the "woke" identity-politics socialism espoused by most of the poseurs running for the Dem nomination.   

The danger in 2020 is the gulf between Trump and, say, Bernie Sanders is so vast that it is difficult to predict how swing voters and independents will vote.   If the choice is that stark and unappealing,  I can see a respected moderate voice running as an independent.
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Neither Jeb or Kasich are centrists, they ARE liberals.  When referring to them, I wasn't referring to them as socialists but Republicans in Name Only who pander to the left and vote and support their agenda.

The choice in 2020 is either you vote for Trump or the DEM nominee.  The true danger in 2020 is the probability of the same corruption and fraud that we saw during the mid terms.  Any corruption and fraud will be further fueled by the socialists and liberal hate groups who are convinced that Trump was never duly elected by the people.  Secondly, the crisis at the border is growing and IMHO the chances of a major upheaval because of the invasion is growing as well.

I'm not quite sure what pipe dream you are entertaining, but there isn't anyone challenging Trump so there will not be someone who's going to all of a sudden jump in on the GOP side and then become the GOP nominee for 2020 to challenge the DEM nominee.  It's not going to happen. 


Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 05:14:00 PM
Can't imagine a worse president than Obama.   Did you lose any liberty?

We twice came within a single vote on the Supreme Court of losing liberty -- both with Citizens United, and then with Heller.  Had Trump lost in 2016, both of those would have been reversed.  And if a Democrat wins in 2020, there's a good chance of it happening then.  They also barely got stymied with all sorts of restrictions on political speech by the FEC, which again could easily go the wrong way in 2020.

I'd also say that because of the way Obama handled immigration, all of us are likely to have our votes diluted, more and more of a our tax dollars going to people who are not here illegally.
Also, the way the Obama Administration staffed the EEOC, DOL, and DOE restricted the liberties of a lot of employers, and forced actions onto schools that many of us found offensive.

But hey, if you want to raise the "Democrats really aren't that bad" standard, go for it.  You're just making my point for me.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 05:27:29 PM
I am realistic enough to recognize that the Dems are increasingly radicalized,  and want Trump to be our nominee as much or more as you, RIV and Aligncare do.  WHY IS THAT, folks???   They want Trump to be our nominee because they know they can demonize him - and the Republican brand -  among the swing voters who will decide the election.    They want Trump to be our nominee because they know that he can and will inevitably destroy himself.   

It is crazy to do exactly as the Democrats want, and nominate a man they can credibly accuse of racism and ginning up mobs....I think   

@Jazzhead

I agree - it's crazy to do exactly as the Democrats want.  I'd even agree with you that the Democrats would prefer to run against Trump more than against some other potential opponents.  However, that's not exactly what they want.  What they'd want even more than running against Trump is to see the GOP tear itself to shreds in an internal war to try to prevent a very popular (at least among a majority of Republicans) sitting President from becoming his party's nominee.  If the attempt fails, as it is overwhelmingly likely to do, he will have been weakened by the barrage of GOP attacks against him.  And if it succeeds, huge numbers of his supporters will sit out of the 2020 election, and hand the Democrats a landslide.  That's what they'd really want, and that's exactly why you see people like Chuck Schumer constantly calling on other Republicans to criticize Trump.  Because they know that if the GOP turns on Trump, it guarantees a Democrat landslide in 2020.

You said you're "realistic enough" recognize that the Democrats are increasingly radicalized.  But are you truly being "realistic" when you think Trump can be convinced to abandon his quest for a second term?  He doesn't believe the polls, and based on what happened in the summer of 2016 when everyone and their brother was handing the election to Hillary as a done deal, why should he?

I think you are 100% correct in believing that if Trump stepped down voluntarily and tossed his support to Nikki Haley, that we'd have a much better chance of winning the 2020 general election.  But that's just pure wishful thinking, with no foundation in reality.   There is no plausible way to actually get from here to there.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: corbe on July 19, 2019, 05:29:57 PM
   Highly enlightening conversation Briefers.  Thank You.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 19, 2019, 05:34:55 PM
I'm much less concerned about "keeping up appearances" to the rest of the world - most of which isn't worthy of licking our shoes anyway - than I am about the irretrievable loss of liberty that will result if a Democrat is elected.

After watching "the world" show contempt to President Bush and then lionize Obama even before he was President, I became certain "the world" wants US Presidents to be weak and subservient. And I ceased giving a @#$% what "the world" thinks of US Presidents. They don't want good US Presidents unless they need their asses saved.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
After watching "the world" show contempt to President Bush and then lionize Obama even before he was President, I became certain "the world" wants US Presidents to be weak and subservient. And I ceased giving a @#$% what "the world" thinks of US Presidents. They don't want good US Presidents unless they need their asses saved.

Amen.  The way to make the rest of the world happy is for us to do exactly what they want.  The problem is that what is good for another country may not be good for us.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: EdJames on July 19, 2019, 05:43:50 PM
After watching "the world" show contempt to President Bush and then lionize Obama even before he was President, I became certain "the world" wants US Presidents to be weak and subservient. And I ceased giving a @#$% what "the world" thinks of US Presidents. They don't want good US Presidents unless they need their asses saved.

I agree wholeheartedly with you Pete.... no one should give a tinker's damn what "the world" thinks....  about US Presidents....  and most other topics as well!
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 05:56:04 PM
I speak for no nevertrump faction, and do not seek the nomination of a "RINO".    I support most of the President's policies and want them to continue.   I support the President's judicial nominees and want more of the same.

But I am realistic enough to realize that with Trump as the nominee we will lose, and may even lose the Senate.    I am realistic enough to recognize that the Dems are increasingly radicalized,  and want Trump to be our nominee as much or more as you, RIV and Aligncare do.  WHY IS THAT, folks???   They want Trump to be our nominee because they know they can demonize him - and the Republican brand -  among the swing voters who will decide the election.    They want Trump to be our nominee because they know that he can and will inevitably destroy himself.   

It is crazy to do exactly as the Democrats want, and nominate a man they can credibly accuse of racism and ginning up mobs.   We need instead to take the fight to the Dems and expose their radicalism and their own bigotry.   Trump is the Great Distraction that prevents that fight from being effectively waged.     

It is only the summer of 2019.   It is not too late to change course, and nominate a candidate who will not just fight, but fight SMART.

You really need to get a grip and realize that in order to nominate a candidate other than Trump, someone actually has to run, right?  ???? You have completely missed my points.  It is not so much that I want President Trump as our nominee as much as he IS the only one running on the GOP side.  He is the choice, whether or not you or anyone else likes him or not, or whether or not you and anyone else thinks he is going to lose.  He's not my favorite person as I don't particularly like his "character", however, he IS who is standing in the way of the progressive leftists.  He IS the one that has brought back jobs and delivered historic low unemployment rates.  He IS the one who has jump started this economy. He IS the one who has stood up to the left.  He IS the one who has displayed extreme patriotism, more so than Obama, Bush, and Clinton. He IS the one who has stood with Israel.  He IS the one that has brought some respect back to our country. Being realistic, he IS our current President running for re-election.  The other reality is he does have the best shot at defeating the liberals and socialists. So ... again ... it's either vote for him or vote for a DEM, abstain or write someone in.  Those ARE the choices.  You can sit and preach all day long banging the pulpit that we need to replace Trump, but the reality IS there isn't anyone jumping into to save your day who would win the nomination against Trump, and as time goes on, the chances of that happening are zero.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 19, 2019, 06:53:07 PM
@libertybele

I think @Jazzhead is envisioning something like a what happened with LBJ in 1968, where people went to him, told him there was no way he could win, so he needed to step aside for the good of the party and let someone run in his place who had a chance to win. But there are three major differences between LBJ and his situation, and Trump and his:

1)  There was a singularly unpopular, dominant issue during that campaign season.  Namely, the Vietnam War.  And nobody really would have disputed that LBJ screwed that up royally.  Especially in terms of his credibility.  In contrast, there is no single substantive issue on which there is agreement that Trump has screwed the pooch.  In fact, on the economy, he's arguing hitting home runs.  So there's no substantive hook that makes his candidacy look doomed.

2) LBJ's actions with respect to Vietnam made him wildly unpopular even within his own party.  He was the pro-war President of what was rapidly becoming an anti-war party.  And if your own party won't even vote for you...you have no chance of winning a general election.  Trump, in contrast, is very popular within his own party.

3) Most importantly for purposes of this discussion, LBJ was a very calculating, lifelong politician who could read/would believe polls, and had a very acute sense of what was a winning issues/candidacy, and what wasn't.  He trusted his own advisors and his own political sense to judge that he could not win.   But Trump isn't a lifelong politician, and he actually detests/mistrusts more politicians.  He has very little faith in pollsters as well, and in fact won election when just about everyone was telling him he couldn't.  There is not even the barest hint that he'd seriously consider a suggestion from Romney, or the Koch Brothers, or anyone else that he should step aside.  He'd be far more likely to make their request/demand public, mock them for it, and tell them there's no way in hell he'd ever abandon the people who elected him just because a punch of career pols told him too.  And his supporters would cheer him wildly for saying it.

Trump withdrawing voluntarily is a pipe dream.

Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
I understand your argument,@libertybelle, if you were making it next summer.   It is still THIS summer,  however,  and there is plenty of time to refuse to renominate a man who, it appears to me, will lead the party to almost certain defeat.    We don't, not yet at least, have to succumb to the "inevitable",  and settle for this deeply flawed candidate just as the Dems are expecting and hoping we will.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 07:40:18 PM
@libertybele

I think @Jazzhead is envisioning something like a what happened with LBJ in 1968, where people went to him, told him there was no way he could win, so he needed to step aside for the good of the party and let someone run in his place who had a chance to win. But there are three major differences between LBJ and his situation, and Trump and his:

1)  There was a singularly unpopular, dominant issue during that campaign season.  Namely, the Vietnam War.  And nobody really would have disputed that LBJ screwed that up royally.  Especially in terms of his credibility.  In contrast, there is no single substantive issue on which there is agreement that Trump has screwed the pooch.  In fact, on the economy, he's arguing hitting home runs.  So there's no substantive hook that makes his candidacy look doomed.

2) LBJ's actions with respect to Vietnam made him wildly unpopular even within his own party.  He was the pro-war President of what was rapidly becoming an anti-war party.  And if your own party won't even vote for you...you have no chance of winning a general election.  Trump, in contrast, is very popular within his own party.

3) Most importantly for purposes of this discussion, LBJ was a very calculating, lifelong politician who could read/would believe polls, and had a very acute sense of what was a winning issues/candidacy, and what wasn't.  He trusted his own advisors and his own political sense to judge that he could not win.   But Trump isn't a lifelong politician, and he actually detests/mistrusts more politicians.  He has very little faith in pollsters as well, and in fact won election when just about everyone was telling him he couldn't.  There is not even the barest hint that he'd seriously consider a suggestion from Romney, or the Koch Brothers, or anyone else that he should step aside.  He'd be far more likely to make their request/demand public, mock them for it, and tell them there's no way in hell he'd ever abandon the people who elected him just because a punch of career pols told him too.  And his supporters would cheer him wildly for saying it.

Trump withdrawing voluntarily is a pipe dream.

Exactly.  Trump is not going to withdraw.  He is not a young man and could possibly run into some health problems, but he has more energy than most 40 year olds.

@Jazzhead like him or not, he is a very popular President who isn't going to go away. I'm not quite understanding why you keep insisting that there is time to nominate someone else when no one else is running??? To the best of my knowledge no one has even suggested or mentioned that he step down. I don't see members of the GOP doing that, unless he does something extremely unconstitutional or breaks the law BIGLY.  The DEMS first attempt at impeachment failed.

Yes this is Summer 2019.  The primaries start sometime in early February 2020.  Who ever would challenge Trump would need to file the appropriate paperwork by each state's deadline and have enough signatures to obtain ballot access.  They also would need to form various committees to comply with campaign contributions and various different laws as well as getting a ground game going and have some very serious $$ behind them.  No one that I know of has even started to do so.

Again, Trump as of now, is NOT being challenged.  NOT stepping down.  He will be the GOP nominee.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 07:43:00 PM
Frist off, @Maj. Bill Martin , I want to tell you that I always enjoy reading your sober, well thought-out posts.  We may disagree,  but I respect you as one of the leading lights of this board.

What I advocate is not a pipe dream.   I am indeed thinking of the LBJ scenario where voices within the party convinced Johnson to not run for re-nomination,  but to allow the party to run a less politically toxic candidate who could continue LBJ's policies.   

Now I agree with you that Trump won't listen to the likes of Mitt Romney or other members of the NeverTrump chorus.    But what if the appeal were to come from Mitch McConnell?   McConnell, as leader of the Senate,  could convey his view that, if Trump is the nominee,  GOP control of the Senate is likely lost,  and with that Trump's policies would be reversed and repudiated,  and his legacy ruined.    I consider Trump to be unconventional,  but nevertheless an intelligent and rational man.    I think he believes - with justification - that he has accomplished some great things,  and been a voice and advocate for the hitherto disparaged and voiceless.    His legacy, his policies, are important to him.   And he is not a professional politician,  but rather a patriotic citizen,  and as such is persuadable to reason that the best way to finish what he started is to pass the baton to another.

As I've noted before,  his successor must be an ally, not a NeverTrump gadfly.   Someone like Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney,   who've stood with the President.    Someone who can pledge to his supporters that he/she is determined to move forward with his agenda without all the angst and drama.   And who can appeal to the swing voters that any successful Republican candidate will need. 

Indeed,  given the booming economy and the Dems' radicalism,  the right GOP nominee can maybe even regain both the House and Senate for the party.    That can help protect Trump from the jackals who want to ruin any semblance of a happy return to private life.       
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 07:55:37 PM
Frist off, @Maj. Bill Martin , I want to tell you that I always enjoy reading your sober, well thought-out posts.  We may disagree,  but I respect you as one of the leading lights of this board.

What I advocate is not a pipe dream.   I am indeed thinking of the LBJ scenario where voices within the party convinced Johnson to not run for re-nomination,  but to allow the party to run a less politically toxic candidate who could continue LBJ's policies.   

Now I agree with you that Trump won't listen to the likes of Mitt Romney or other members of the NeverTrump chorus.    But what if the appeal were to come from Mitch McConnell?   McConnell, as leader of the Senate,  could convey his view that, if Trump is the nominee,  GOP control of the Senate is likely lost,  and with that Trump's policies would be reversed and repudiated,  and his legacy ruined.    I consider Trump to be unconventional,  but nevertheless an intelligent and rational man.    I think he believes - with justification - that he has accomplished some great things,  and been a voice and advocate for the hitherto disparaged and voiceless.    His legacy, his policies, are important to him.   And he is not a professional politician,  but rather a patriotic citizen,  and as such is persuadable to reason that the best way to finish what he started is to pass the baton to another.

As I've noted before,  his successor must be an ally, not a NeverTrump gadfly.   Someone like Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney,   who've stood with the President.    Someone who can pledge to his supporters that he/she is determined to move forward with his agenda without all the angst and drama.   And who can appeal to the swing voters that any successful Republican candidate will need. 

Indeed,  given the booming economy and the Dems' radicalism,  the right GOP nominee can maybe even regain both the House and Senate for the party.    That can help protect Trump from the jackals who want to ruin any semblance of a happy return to private life.     

@Jazzhead, I realize that this wasn't directed to me, but with all respect, Mitch is afraid of his own shadow and wouldn't ask Trump to step down. 

Let's say that hypothetically Trump is asked to step down for the good of the "party"; I think the GOP would lose a tremendous amount of voters.  Part of Trump's appeal is that he wasn't part of the establishment.  His popularity and his ability to draw crowds has been unmatched by any candidate ever in the history of this country.  I just don't see Cheney or Haley carrying that popularity and certainly they are part of the establishment. 

IF indeed there is a movement that intends to see that Trump steps down, that movement has to be equal to, if not larger than his base.  I just don't see that happening.

Every rally that he holds, every seat is filled with thousands left on the outside who were unable to get in.  Watch a couple of his rallies and then tell me that he isn't a popular President. 

Peace @Jazzhead.  Enough said.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 08:00:21 PM
@Jazzhead, I realize that this wasn't directed to me, but with all respect, Mitch is afraid of his own shadow and wouldn't ask Trump to step down. 

Don't underestimate Mitch McConnell.   He's the reason that Garland isn't on the Supreme Court, and Neil Gorsuch is.   He and President Trump have worked hand in hand,  and McConnell's had Trump's back.   

The loss of the Senate would be a body blow.   It cannot be allowed to happen. 
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 08:13:49 PM
Don't underestimate Mitch McConnell.   He's the reason that Garland isn't on the Supreme Court, and Neil Gorsuch is.   He and President Trump have worked hand in hand,  and McConnell's had Trump's back.   

The loss of the Senate would be a body blow.   It cannot be allowed to happen.

@Jazzhead the leadership of Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney may be a breath of fresh air.  Both are indeed well qualified with personalities certainly more reserved than that of our current President.  I do not see any longer that we have two branches of government working towards doing what is best for America. 

The corruption from the left is very prominent. Living in FL and having both our governor and senator almost losing because of that massive corruption and fraud was an eye opener.  I'm not so sure that Haley or Cheney would survive what the left has put Trump through.  Yes, Trump has brought about many of his own problems, but keep in mind that the leftists hate him because they feel that Hillary was robbed of the presidency because she won the popular vote.  They don't care about our electoral process, nor our Constitution.  The left's lack of respect for our President and our Constitution is problematic. They would act no differently towards Haley or Cheney.  Would Haley or Cheney be able to push back?  I don't know.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Rivergirl on July 19, 2019, 08:33:40 PM
Nice to know that some people love Trump's policies.
Shredding NAFTA
Shredding the Iran agreement
Rolling back industrial pollution curbs
Cancelling 'war games' with South Korea to appease his lover, Kim.
Tariffs that have harmed American farmers.  And many other businesses.
Suggesting boycotts of companies that have hurt his feelings, and then decrying the suggestion of a boycott by others.
Oh, the tax breaks that allowed Corporations to use their new money to buy back their own shares of stock, rather than raises wages or hire new people.
Wonderful accomplishments.  NOT
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2019, 08:40:52 PM
Nice to know that some people love Trump's policies.
Shredding NAFTA
Shredding the Iran agreement
Rolling back industrial pollution curbs
Cancelling 'war games' with South Korea to appease his lover, Kim.
Tariffs that have harmed American farmers.  And many other businesses.
Suggesting boycotts of companies that have hurt his feelings, and then decrying the suggestion of a boycott by others.
Oh, the tax breaks that allowed Corporations to use their new money to buy back their own shares of stock, rather than raises wages or hire new people.
Wonderful accomplishments.  NOT

Someone could easily get the impression that you are posting on TBR while thinking you are elsewhere.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 08:43:34 PM
@Rivergirl ,   if the choice were yours,  who would you pick for the GOP nomination?   I am asking for a reason.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Rivergirl on July 19, 2019, 08:52:23 PM
I voted for Cruz in the primary.  Did not vote for President.
Reviewing the records of all the candidates I was always impressed with Walker and was shocked that he allowed Trump to lie about his record.  He faced a recall and then wimped out during the Presidential campaign.
Have family who lived in Florida and they were impressed with Jeb Bush's leadership in Florida.  The state moved from being a haven for old folks hiding from winter and the inheritance tax man to a great place for young families. He, too, allow Trump to bully him.   None of the other candidates impressed.  Least of all Lindsay Graham.  And that is an understatement.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Jazzhead on July 19, 2019, 09:00:28 PM
So you are for Cruz.   Has Cruz voiced disagreement with any of the items on that list?   I count most of 'em as merits, not demerits.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Rivergirl on July 19, 2019, 09:09:50 PM
So you are for Cruz.   Has Cruz voiced disagreement with any of the items on that list?   I count most of 'em as merits, not demerits.
Cruz was correct in every criticism of Trump.   Evidently trashing Heidi Cruz was just fine with Cruz.  Anything to be in the light of the master. Ugh.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: EdJames on July 19, 2019, 09:17:03 PM
Someone could easily get the impression that you are posting on TBR while thinking you are elsewhere.

@Bigun

Was you thinking what I was thinking?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/ (https://www.democraticunderground.com/)

 :yowsa:
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
@Bigun

Was you thinking what I was thinking?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/ (https://www.democraticunderground.com/)

 :yowsa:

Daily kos .
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: DCPatriot on July 19, 2019, 09:24:14 PM
Nice to know that some people love Trump's policies.
Shredding NAFTA
Shredding the Iran agreement
Rolling back industrial pollution curbs
Cancelling 'war games' with South Korea to appease his lover, Kim.
Tariffs that have harmed American farmers.  And many other businesses.
Suggesting boycotts of companies that have hurt his feelings, and then decrying the suggestion of a boycott by others.
Oh, the tax breaks that allowed Corporations to use their new money to buy back their own shares of stock, rather than raises wages or hire new people.
Wonderful accomplishments.  NOT

Such a piss-poor troll.....     *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: EdJames on July 19, 2019, 09:26:27 PM
Daily kos .

Damn it!  I was so close....

 :silly:
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Fishrrman on July 19, 2019, 09:27:14 PM
dfw wrote:
"Trump may be a blowhard, but it's precisely what we need right now.   Milquetoast Republicans aren't going to get it done."

Of course.

Mr. Trump may not be a "man for all seasons", but he's most certainly the president we need for these times and seasons -- a brash bare-knuckled fighter who's willing to punch back harder at the democrat-communists for every swing they try to take at him.

Nobody else could have beaten o'er-the-hillary in 2016, and NOBODY else would be giving it back to the dem-coms as hard today as he does.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2019, 09:28:58 PM
Why is it "elitism" to insist on tact and decorum in public discourse?     Why is it "elitism" to decry the ginning up of mobs?   

I understand perfectly well the "Eff off" attitude toward the Democrats, who are snakes in the grass.   But we can do better than Trump.

Where is any evidence/proof of that claim?   All I've seen from our side is pro-amnesty globalists (like the Bushes) and outright traitors like McCain.  Who, exactly, on the GOP side is 'better'?  Who has the nads and guts to stand up against the radical leftist Democrats and the filthy rich elitists that fund them?
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2019, 09:30:12 PM
Damn it!  I was so close....

 :silly:

 :bigsilly:
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: DCPatriot on July 19, 2019, 09:41:53 PM
Where is any evidence/proof of that claim?   All I've seen from our side is pro-amnesty globalists (like the Bushes) and outright traitors like McCain.  Who, exactly, on the GOP side is 'better'?  Who has the nads and guts to stand up against the radical leftist Democrats and the filthy rich elitists that fund them?

Excellent set of questions, @XenaLee     :patriot:
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: corbe on July 19, 2019, 09:43:40 PM
   One of the points in the last hour or two has been about Trump standing up to the MSM and Dems and that no one else could or would.  This is also a false fallacy, that will never be proven/unproven with Trump's election and tying up the GOP (ripe for picking in 2015) for 10 years and leaving his populist mark on it. 
   I was for Cruz and could not bring myself to vote for Trump, so I protest voted the Constitution Party (Texas 38 EV's were safe for him).  Walker would have been acceptable for me, he stared down the dems, not once but twice and won.  Conservatives main villain is Cocaine Mitch and only one Senator has called that sob out, in his house. 
    I'm with you @Rivergirl Trump wasn't the only 'fighter' in the primary, but, I never watched The Apprentice so I may be lacking something.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: DCPatriot on July 19, 2019, 09:48:05 PM
   One of the points in the last hour or two has been about Trump standing up to the MSM and Dems and that no one else could or would.  This is also a false fallacy, that will never be proven/unproven with Trump's election and tying up the GOP (ripe for picking in 2015) for 10 years and leaving his populist mark on it. 
   I was for Cruz and could not bring myself to vote for Trump, so I protest voted the Constitution Party (Texas 38 EV's were safe for him).  Walker would have been acceptable for me, he stared down the dems, not once but twice and won.  Conservatives main villain is Cocaine Mitch and only one Senator has called that sob out, in his house. 
    I'm with you @Rivergirl Trump wasn't the only 'fighter' in the primary, but, I never watched The Apprentice so I may be lacking something.

Common sense?    :whistle:
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: corbe on July 19, 2019, 09:53:36 PM
   I'll admit my shortcomings @DCPatriot and I have quite a few but common sense is not one of them (other than dealing with Women).
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2019, 10:01:38 PM
   I'll admit my shortcomings @DCPatriot and I have quite a few but common sense is not one of them (other than dealing with Women).

Common sense won't help you there @corbe.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: corbe on July 19, 2019, 10:06:32 PM
   I just need better judgment of character when it comes to Women, not Cabinet Picks. 
   I seem easily blinded by the headlights, if you know what I mean? @Bigun
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2019, 10:43:12 PM
Cruz was correct in every criticism of Trump.   Evidently trashing Heidi Cruz was just fine with Cruz.  Anything to be in the light of the master. Ugh.

What are you talking about?  Cruz hit back at him for that.  Thought not in Trump style.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: roamer_1 on July 19, 2019, 10:48:26 PM
But if the "GOP elites" torpedo Trump, I will never vote for another Republican again. 

@Maj. Bill Martin
That's really funny, because I quit the GOP back in 07 for exactly that reason - Only it was over a REAL Conservative in the form of Duncan Hunter Sr. who backed actual conservative principles...

And somehow I am wrong for it and 'sitting on the sidelines'...

Yeah that's a laugh riot, right there.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: roamer_1 on July 19, 2019, 11:03:11 PM

Trump may be a blowhard, but it's precisely what we need right now.   Milquetoast Republicans aren't going to get it done.

And neither is a blowhard. That's the point.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: corbe on July 19, 2019, 11:04:55 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Fred_Thompson.jpg)

     My Guy back then, @roamer_1
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: roamer_1 on July 19, 2019, 11:12:52 PM
Bull.  What has doomed conservatism is voting again and again for the RINO's in Congress who pretend they are conservative, yet vote along with the DEMS.  The Jeb's, Kasich's, Rubio's, McCain's, Ryans, McConnells, Romneys, and those like them, have doomed conservatism.  Fortunately the biggest culprit is no longer alive to continue to wreak his havoc on the GOP.  Kasich and Jeb are pretty much out to pasture ... unfortunately, though, a little too late, I'm afraid.  Had McCain, Ryan, McConnell and the rest of the RINO's been voted out long ago, we'd be looking at a major victory at the border and a sure victory in 2020.

That is the bare truth, and solid fact, that this messianic fervor over one man refuses to acknowledge.
Tump and what he represents are the product of that lesser evil pragmatism that has hamstrung the congress itself. NOTHING will be fixed by Tump because it ALL has to be fixed by a conservative congress - not a Republican one, a Conservative one... Would an actual Conservative president help in that condition? Absolutely. But Tump has neither going for him.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: DCPatriot on July 20, 2019, 02:07:09 AM
   I'll admit my shortcomings @DCPatriot and I have quite a few but common sense is not one of them (other than dealing with Women).

 happy77     
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 20, 2019, 11:35:57 AM
Frist off, @Maj. Bill Martin , I want to tell you that I always enjoy reading your sober, well thought-out posts.  We may disagree,  but I respect you as one of the leading lights of this board.

What I advocate is not a pipe dream.   I am indeed thinking of the LBJ scenario where voices within the party convinced Johnson to not run for re-nomination,  but to allow the party to run a less politically toxic candidate who could continue LBJ's policies.   

Now I agree with you that Trump won't listen to the likes of Mitt Romney or other members of the NeverTrump chorus.    But what if the appeal were to come from Mitch McConnell?   McConnell, as leader of the Senate,  could convey his view that, if Trump is the nominee,  GOP control of the Senate is likely lost,  and with that Trump's policies would be reversed and repudiated,  and his legacy ruined.    I consider Trump to be unconventional,  but nevertheless an intelligent and rational man.    I think he believes - with justification - that he has accomplished some great things,  and been a voice and advocate for the hitherto disparaged and voiceless.    His legacy, his policies, are important to him.   And he is not a professional politician,  but rather a patriotic citizen,  and as such is persuadable to reason that the best way to finish what he started is to pass the baton to another.

As I've noted before,  his successor must be an ally, not a NeverTrump gadfly.   Someone like Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney,   who've stood with the President.    Someone who can pledge to his supporters that he/she is determined to move forward with his agenda without all the angst and drama.   And who can appeal to the swing voters that any successful Republican candidate will need. 

Indeed,  given the booming economy and the Dems' radicalism,  the right GOP nominee can maybe even regain both the House and Senate for the party.    That can help protect Trump from the jackals who want to ruin any semblance of a happy return to private life.     

@Jazzhead

First, I very much appreciate the kind words.  And I agree with the desirability of your endgame -- Nikki Haley would curb-stomp anyone in the Democrat field.  If Mitch McConnell could actually accomplish that without starting an internal GOP civil war, great.  But I just don't see that as remotely likely.

I can see why you picked McConnell -- because he has preserved a generally positive relationship with Trump.  But he has preserved that positive relationship by only very rarely crossing/criticizing him.  Trump may be rational and intelligent, but he also is wildly egocentric, and has a consistent pattern of turning on anyone he perceives as doubting him or otherwise being disloyal.  I don't think that's even arguable.

In other words, the second Mitch McConnell would raise to Trump the suggestion that he can't win because he's said too much stupid shit and offended too many people (and he obviously wouldn't use those words, but that's the gist of what he'd be saying), and should step aside for someone else, Trump would completely turn on him.  He'd throw right back in McConnell's face that was the same thing people were saying back in 2016...and he'd be actually right about about.  It's worth nothing again -- Trump's 2016 victory despite what all the pollsters were saying, despite all the claims that the GOP would get crushed in Congressional races because Trump would drag them down, etc., guaranteed that he'd never listen to anyone tell him he can't win in 2020.  And if McConnell and others point to the 2018 midterms, Trump would say that happened because 1) the President's party always loses seats in the midterms, and 2) the GOP Congress betrayed voters by failing to pass funding for the wall, failing to repeal ObamaCare, etc.. .  He'd (again rightly) point to all the opinion polls showing that he's more popular than is McConnell or Senate Republicans. 

Whether those arguments can be countered logically is beside the point.  There is enough there for Trump to believe that the problem is with the GOP Congress and bogus pollsters, not with him, and that he believes he will win again.  And honestly...which sounds more like the Donald Trump we've been watching for the past 4 years?  The guy who would listen to McConnell, say "you're right, I've screwed up really badly and I guess I can't win", and then graciously bow out?  Or the guy who would tell McConnell to go f*** himself, say the problem is congressional Republicans and not him, and that he's going to prove the pollsters wrong again in 2020? 

I've never seen that first version of Trump, but I sure as hell have seen the second.

Maybe the argument is "well, there's no harm in trying", but I think the almost certain harm is driving a major wedge between Trump and McConnell.  We'd likely get a cringeworthy tweet storm about how horrible McConnell and Congressional Republicans are, and the strengthening of a bunker mindset in Trump himself.  That would absolutely thrill the Democrats, and they'd use all of that to emphasize to voters that even Trump's own party hates him.  I think it could be a disaster and put us in an even worse position for 2020.

I do think McConnell or others could get away with simply praising Nikki Haley, and observing to Trump how great she is and that she'd likely make a great Presidential candidate "someday" whom the Democrats would fear.  I wouldn't be shocked to learn that something like that already has happened, or even that Trump himself made that kind of observation.  But trying to convince Trump himself to resign in her favor would likely backfire hugely, and might even lead him to turn on her.

tl;dr, I just don't see it as a remotely realistic scenario.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 20, 2019, 11:45:22 AM
@Maj. Bill Martin

That's really funny, because I quit the GOP back in 07 for exactly that reason - Only it was over a REAL Conservative in the form of Duncan Hunter Sr. who backed actual conservative principles...

And somehow I am wrong for it and 'sitting on the sidelines'...

Yeah that's a laugh riot, right there.  *****rollingeyes*****

@roamer_1

Republicans have always disagreed about who should be our nominee -- that's why we have primaries.  And a primary is going to have winners and losers.  I generally don't begrudge the party for nominating someone other than my preferred candidate because the nature of a first past the post election system is that you have to compromise.  If your guy doesn't have enough votes to win the primary...them's the breaks.  That's not the fault of the party itself, but rather that of your fellow Republican primary voters who didn't vote for the guy.

But I think it's a much different situation when elected GOP politicians are talking about sabotaging a sitting Republican President, and especially if they won't vote for him in the general election, or will even vote for the Democrat.  In my mind, GOP politicians (as opposed to just ordinary voters) who do that are unworthy of getting GOP voter support when they run for office.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: roamer_1 on July 20, 2019, 01:06:22 PM
@roamer_1

Republicans have always disagreed about who should be our nominee -- that's why we have primaries.  And a primary is going to have winners and losers. 


@Maj. Bill Martin
No, Duncan Hunter was unfairly shut out, just as he was hitting the South, where he would reverberate. They shut him out, even though he was one of the candidates that actually won a state primary. They wanted McCain't and boy did that get him.

But they did not get me. Seeya.


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But I think it's a much different situation when elected GOP politicians are talking about sabotaging a sitting Republican President, and especially if they won't vote for him in the general election, or will even vote for the Democrat.  In my mind, GOP politicians (as opposed to just ordinary voters) who do that are unworthy of getting GOP voter support when they run for office.

No skin off my nose - Though it almost was... Cruz was as close as I've come in more than a decade... First presidential candidate that I organized and poured money to for a long, long time.

But as to your question, it happens all the time under the office of president, so why should the president be immune? and How exactly do you mount a primary campaign against a sitting president if all you can do is compliment him? Of course the president is not above speech... And of course a president should be called on the carpet by his party - I would prefer it if it happened more.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: jafo2010 on July 21, 2019, 03:54:19 AM
The defeatism in this thread is absurd.  Trump has rough edges, but those that support him are completely behind him.  We are not a mob, and many of us in fact are highly educated.

I think he is 100% right on the Anarchist Four!  Who the hell does Ilhan Omar think she is to criticize this great nation coming from a sh*t nation like Somalia?  She is clueless, and a grave danger to this nation, as well as the other three idiots.  Fortunately, few are listening to these morons.  It has nothing to do with their skin color, their religion, and it has everything to do with their policies and mindset on the USA, and the issues at hand.  The communities that have elected these fools have already suffered.  You think the folks of AOC's district aren't pissed because she sunk the Amazon deal?  What an idiot!

Trump stepped forward to represent America and the American people.  Can anyone here detail just one issue Clinton had that benefited America or the American people?  No.

The clown car we are being entertained by, not a single one of them stand a chance against Trump.  Not Biden, certainly not Harris or Booker, and not that moron Sanders.  Yes, they all resonate with the college crowd because of free education, but remember...young people do not vote in large numbers.

While I would welcome an opponent against Trump in the GOP with the right issues, there is no one.  Romney is a legend in his own mind, and a proven LOSER.  What a dope!  And Cruz, enough of you sing his praises, but he is a rat.  What he did to Ben Carson in Iowa was a warning to America.  Stay away from this boob.  He was lucky to win his seat in Texas against gumby, another total fool who is at 0% right now.  ZERO!

Trump takes the primary easily.  He wins the general by a larger margin than in 2016, count on it.  The only person that might foil that outcome is Clinton.  She did well in 2016, and would have won with a few changes in her campaign, like making appearances in PA, OH, WI, MI, NC, and FL.  And having just one or two compelling issues to benefit the American people.  She had nothing.  It was Trump that fully framed the issues in 2016.

I say Clinton announces, in Sept/Oct, and arrives on the scene like Joan of Arc.  And she is received very favorably because the clown car is nothing short of disgusting.  Trump however has four years of being president, and he does have results on his side.  The whole racist thing is idiotic, for Trump has done more for minorities in this country than the last eight presidents combined.  It the Democommie push this issue, they truly are dumber than a box of rocks.

I expect Trump will win by a larger margin, even if it is Clinton.  I expect more seats for the GOP in the Senate, but most likely not leading to the elusive 60 vote majority needed.  And the House will return to the GOP, narrowly perhaps.  It depends on how much time Trump campaigns for Reps.  Those he campaigns for will get elected/re-elected.

My concern between now and the time he takes his oath in 2021 is the threat to his well being.  He has so many enemies, they could pull a JFK on him. 

I believe there is a very good chance the GOP will be in a better numbers position then they were after 2016.

The nonsense of the Dems winning the Senate is absurd.  Get a grip folks!
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Sanguine on July 21, 2019, 09:40:46 AM
The defeatism in this thread is absurd.  Trump has rough edges, but those that support him are completely behind him.  We are not a mob, and many of us in fact are highly educated.

I think he is 100% right on the Anarchist Four!  Who the hell does Ilhan Omar think she is to criticize this great nation coming from a sh*t nation like Somalia?  She is clueless, and a grave danger to this nation, as well as the other three idiots.  Fortunately, few are listening to these morons.  It has nothing to do with their skin color, their religion, and it has everything to do with their policies and mindset on the USA, and the issues at hand.  The communities that have elected these fools have already suffered.  You think the folks of AOC's district aren't pissed because she sunk the Amazon deal?  What an idiot!

Trump stepped forward to represent America and the American people.  Can anyone here detail just one issue Clinton had that benefited America or the American people?  No.

The clown car we are being entertained by, not a single one of them stand a chance against Trump.  Not Biden, certainly not Harris or Booker, and not that moron Sanders.  Yes, they all resonate with the college crowd because of free education, but remember...young people do not vote in large numbers.

While I would welcome an opponent against Trump in the GOP with the right issues, there is no one.  Romney is a legend in his own mind, and a proven LOSER.  What a dope!  And Cruz, enough of you sing his praises, but he is a rat.  What he did to Ben Carson in Iowa was a warning to America.  Stay away from this boob.  He was lucky to win his seat in Texas against gumby, another total fool who is at 0% right now.  ZERO!

Trump takes the primary easily.  He wins the general by a larger margin than in 2016, count on it.  The only person that might foil that outcome is Clinton.  She did well in 2016, and would have won with a few changes in her campaign, like making appearances in PA, OH, WI, MI, NC, and FL.  And having just one or two compelling issues to benefit the American people.  She had nothing.  It was Trump that fully framed the issues in 2016.

I say Clinton announces, in Sept/Oct, and arrives on the scene like Joan of Arc.  And she is received very favorably because the clown car is nothing short of disgusting.  Trump however has four years of being president, and he does have results on his side.  The whole racist thing is idiotic, for Trump has done more for minorities in this country than the last eight presidents combined.  It the Democommie push this issue, they truly are dumber than a box of rocks.

I expect Trump will win by a larger margin, even if it is Clinton.  I expect more seats for the GOP in the Senate, but most likely not leading to the elusive 60 vote majority needed.  And the House will return to the GOP, narrowly perhaps.  It depends on how much time Trump campaigns for Reps.  Those he campaigns for will get elected/re-elected.

My concern between now and the time he takes his oath in 2021 is the threat to his well being.  He has so many enemies, they could pull a JFK on him. 

I believe there is a very good chance the GOP will be in a better numbers position then they were after 2016.

The nonsense of the Dems winning the Senate is absurd.  Get a grip folks!

@jafo2010 I always suspected that you had more than three-word opinions.  Glad to see you do. 

I mostly agree with what you have said here, but one question - what exactly was it that "he did to Ben Carson in Iowa"?  If you can't get the smaller things right, you won't get the larger ones right.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: jafo2010 on July 21, 2019, 10:14:37 AM
Sanguine....story on Cruz and his team

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/05/ben-carson-campaign-releases-tape-of-ted-cruz-worker-spreading-rumors/ (https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/05/ben-carson-campaign-releases-tape-of-ted-cruz-worker-spreading-rumors/)

Cruz is a rat...a conservative rat, with limited integrity.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Sanguine on July 21, 2019, 10:31:33 AM
Sanguine....story on Cruz and his team

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/05/ben-carson-campaign-releases-tape-of-ted-cruz-worker-spreading-rumors/ (https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/05/ben-carson-campaign-releases-tape-of-ted-cruz-worker-spreading-rumors/)

Cruz is a rat...a conservative rat, with limited integrity.

Bullshit.  You do know that that story has been repeatedly debunked?  Again, if you believe small lies, you will believe larger ones.
Title: Re: Comey Comes For Trump Supporters, ‘We Must Send Trump and His Mob Back to Their Dark Corner’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 21, 2019, 10:54:01 AM
Bullshit.  You do know that that story has been repeatedly debunked?  Again, if you believe small lies, you will believe larger ones.

Folks will tend to believe the worst stories about people they already dislike because it fits their internal template.  I remember a story back in 2016 that Ted Cruz can't be elected because of the shape of his mouth.  Psycho Today, I think was the source.  Lefties lapped that up like a hummingbird loves sugar water.