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Title: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 11:26:58 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-10/nj-voters-furious-governor-murphy-prepares-sign-rain-tax-law (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-10/nj-voters-furious-governor-murphy-prepares-sign-rain-tax-law)

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The 'rain tax', which is largely supported by Democrats and largely opposed by Republicans, would allow towns, counties and local authorities to set up their own storm water utilities. These newly created arms of local bureaucracy would be empowered to charge property owners a fee based on the amount of non-permeable surface they own (think: parking lots and driveways). The logic behind this is that non-permeable surfaces create runoff when it rains, and that runoff gets polluted as it travels from these surfaces into local sewers, and then on to the state's water ways. The revenue generated by these taxes would be used to upgrade the state's storm water systems, and save the state's already polluted waters from further pollution (though the state would step in and scoop up 5% of all revenues).

The EPA, according to an op-ed published by North Jersey.com, has estimated that a complete overhaul of NJ's stormwater systems would cost $15.6 billion.

But unfortunately for Democrats, while taxing the rich might be in vogue among 2020 presidential contenders (because focus groups have suggested that raising taxes on other people remains a politically popular position), very few middle-class voters in a state that is already one of the most heavily taxed in the country want another massive tax levied on their driveway.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 11:33:25 AM
Strange time.  High tax states going for broke.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: skeeter on February 11, 2019, 11:36:27 AM
Strange time.  High tax states going for broke.

They certainly are in CA.

Thirty years ago I'd expect incensed taxpayers to swing things back to the right.

But critical mass has been achieved, demographically, and that is no longer a possibility.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 11:42:33 AM
Strange time.  High tax states going for broke.

They have to because they are broke. All the builders in Eastern PA are now advertising for NJ dopes to move across the river to PA to save huge on taxes. Now we're going to be flooded with a bunch of Lib voters who do not want to live under the oppressive govt' they supported in the first place.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 11:49:45 AM
They have to because they are broke. All the builders in Eastern PA are now advertising for NJ dopes to move across the river to PA to save huge on taxes. Now we're going to be flooded with a bunch of Lib voters who do not want to live under the oppressive govt' they supported in the first place.

I do feel sympathy, I really do.  Since Texas has been inundated by them.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 12:24:34 PM
Ugh. I saw this last week. It’s really going to hit as all the snow expected this week melts.

I’ve already told my mom I’m going to move when she’s no longer here.

My alma mater is having a reunion in May and I’m amazed at the number of people counting the days (and years) til they are 62 or 65 or even 60 so they can retire and move to Florida or New Mexico or Arizona and out of NJ.

My sister is looking at places in Denver. I won’t move there, I’m looking at some other place. Haven’t a clue but it can’t be Florida. I need dry heat and preferably all four seasons.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 12:43:08 PM
Ugh. I saw this last week. It’s really going to hit as all the snow expected this week melts.

I’ve already told my mom I’m going to move when she’s no longer here.

My alma mater is having a reunion in May and I’m amazed at the number of people counting the days (and years) til they are 62 or 65 or even 60 so they can retire and move to Florida or New Mexico or Arizona and out of NJ.

My sister is looking at places in Denver. I won’t move there, I’m looking at some other place. Haven’t a clue but it can’t be Florida. I need dry heat and preferably all four seasons.

Northern Arizona might do.  Ask @Cyber Liberty about it.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 12:48:38 PM
Ugh. I saw this last week. It’s really going to hit as all the snow expected this week melts.

I’ve already told my mom I’m going to move when she’s no longer here.

My alma mater is having a reunion in May and I’m amazed at the number of people counting the days (and years) til they are 62 or 65 or even 60 so they can retire and move to Florida or New Mexico or Arizona and out of NJ.

My sister is looking at places in Denver. I won’t move there, I’m looking at some other place. Haven’t a clue but it can’t be Florida. I need dry heat and preferably all four seasons.

Please tell your friends and neighbors that PA is openly hostile to people with yellow plates. Also tell them that PA is a gun friendly state and we like to wave them around. Then tell them FL and TX is nice this time of year.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 12:51:26 PM
Northern Arizona might do.  Ask @Cyber Liberty about it.

The part of Northern AZ where we live now is actually hotter than Phoenix, but most of the North is high elevation, is much cooler, and has a few Skiing Resorts because they get a lot of snow.  The North Rim of the Grand Canyon gets over 200" of snow per year.

Not a lot of places for non-Indians to live, though...it's mostly Navajo Res.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 01:39:18 PM
Ugh. I saw this last week. It’s really going to hit as all the snow expected this week melts.

I’ve already told my mom I’m going to move when she’s no longer here.

My alma mater is having a reunion in May and I’m amazed at the number of people counting the days (and years) til they are 62 or 65 or even 60 so they can retire and move to Florida or New Mexico or Arizona and out of NJ.

My sister is looking at places in Denver. I won’t move there, I’m looking at some other place. Haven’t a clue but it can’t be Florida. I need dry heat and preferably all four seasons.

Take a look at Boise. The midwest is too flat for me. The left coast is out. Northern AZ is probably good. Southern Utah too lonely. I don't know if you are arrogant enough to be a Texan.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 01:44:03 PM
Take a look at Boise. The midwest is too flat for me. The left coast is out. Northern AZ is probably good. Southern Utah too lonely. I don't know if you are arrogant enough to be a Texan.

 :tongue2:
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
Take a look at Boise. The midwest is too flat for me. The left coast is out. Northern AZ is probably good. Southern Utah too lonely. I don't know if you are arrogant enough to be a Texan.

:happyhappy:
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 02:02:42 PM
Sorry, not seeing the part where NJ voters are furious.  I thought they liked higher taxes.  They keep voting for them again and again and again.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: corbe on February 11, 2019, 02:02:53 PM
   I resemble that remark @bigheadfred
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 02:07:11 PM
Please tell your friends and neighbors that PA is openly hostile to people with yellow plates. Also tell them that PA is a gun friendly state and we like to wave them around. Then tell them FL and TX is nice this time of year.

Yes, but hot and humid the other 364 days of the year in Florida.  Plus, we have the Stand Your Ground law and it's like the Wild West here.  Don't know why anyone would want to move here.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 02:14:30 PM
The part of Northern AZ where we live now is actually hotter than Phoenix, but most of the North is high elevation, is much cooler, and has a few Skiing Resorts because they get a lot of snow.  The North Rim of the Grand Canyon gets over 200" of snow per year.

Not a lot of places for non-Indians to live, though...it's mostly Navajo Res.

What about Flagstaff?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: corbe on February 11, 2019, 02:15:15 PM
   Texas has larger cockroaches and many mehicans so I'd rule that out too (except for @Freya )
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 02:17:33 PM
   Texas has larger cockroaches and many mehicans so I'd rule that out too (except for @Freya )

Those are palmetto bugs, just ask @RoosGirl (or, my grandmother, were she still with us.  She would never call them cockroaches.)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 02:18:29 PM
What about Flagstaff?

Flagstaff=Alpine country.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 02:19:18 PM
Those are palmetto bugs, just ask @RoosGirl (or, my grandmother, were she still with us.  She would never call them cockroaches.)

Palmetto Bug makes people feel better about you having them as pets.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 02:19:20 PM
Flagstaff=Alpine country.

Yes, I love it there.  Beautiful place.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 02:19:59 PM
Those are palmetto bugs, just ask @RoosGirl (or, my grandmother, were she still with us.  She would never call them cockroaches.)

Call them anything you want. Except 'dinner".
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 02:21:30 PM
Palmetto Bug makes people feel better about you having them as pets.

Pets being the keyword.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 02:21:50 PM
Call them anything you want. Except 'dinner".

The hell you say!
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood (https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 02:22:05 PM
Call them anything you want. Except 'dinner".

Ugh.  They're the one thing that can make me scream like a girl.  Icky, icky.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 02:22:45 PM
The hell you say!
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood (https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood)

That is truly disgusting.  Blech!
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: corbe on February 11, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
   The big ones that live in Trees AND Fly bug the crap out of me, my long frizzy hair must be a magnet of sorts.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 02:25:29 PM
   The big ones that live in Trees AND Fly bug the crap out of me, my long frizzy hair must be a magnet of sorts.

They're always looking for new places to nest.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 02:33:28 PM
What about Flagstaff?

Flagstaff is a fairly small University city.  Pretty leftist (like Austin but a lot smaller), but you don't have to travel far outside of Flag for a better perspective.  Williams, for example (Gateway to the Grand Canyon).
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 02:38:02 PM
They're always looking for new places to nest.

And drag their poop.  One of the reasons I like using Boric Acid to control them...they pick up the wonderful poison on their bodies and then drag it back to their pals by themselves so I don't have to.  There's something oddly satisfying about making them the instruments of their own destruction.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: 240B on February 11, 2019, 02:55:23 PM

Daylight robbery: Portugal set to levy tax on sunshine

IrishExaminer
Dan Buckley
Monday, October 10, 2016

In Portugal they call it ‘um ruobo’ or ‘daylight robbery’ and it is little wonder, as the government is proposing to tax something the country has in abundance — sunshine.

The amount of exposure to the sun and beautiful views are the focus of a new council tax which authorities in Portugal say is aimed at making the country more “socially just”.

It is already about as popular as water charges in Ireland. While we do not enjoy almost endless sunshine, the Portuguese tax is akin to a window tax introduced here and in England 300 years ago, inspiring the term ‘daylight robbery’.

(more)
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/daylight-robbery-portugal-set-to-levy-tax-on-sunshine-424948.html

Tax the rain. Tax the sunshine. Tax the tax you pay. Tax the very air you breath.
What happens when they run out of other people's money? -- Greece.

Eventually it will get to the point where people simply cannot pay 'tax'. And therefore, they just won't.
What happens when the tax rate gets to 110% of your income? - Venezuela
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: dfwgator on February 11, 2019, 02:56:43 PM
You get what you vote for.

Embrace the suck!
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 03:18:43 PM
What about Flagstaff?

Best pho I ever had was in Flagstaff.  Drove 65 miles out of the way to get it.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:19:42 PM
You get what you vote for.

Embrace the suck!

Close but no ceegar.  I get what the morons surrounding me voted for, not what I voted for. 
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 03:20:29 PM
The hell you say!
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood (https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood)

They could be onto something. I have long championed rescuing the most endangered species on the planet. It is also the fastest land animal in the world.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:22:23 PM
Best pho I ever had was in Flagstaff.  Drove 65 miles out of the way to get it.

Photo?  Yes, it's a great place that way, especially with a fresh layer of powdery snow resting on the branches of the Pines.  It's has nice features in the Summer, too.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:24:21 PM
They could be onto something. I have long championed rescuing the most endangered species on the planet. It is also the fastest land animal in the world.

If you can get them before I kill them all....
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: 240B on February 11, 2019, 03:24:25 PM
The hell you say!
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood (https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-think-we-should-start-drinking-cockroach-milk-superfood)
The problem with this plan is that it takes 10,000,000 of them to get a cup of milk, you cannot herd them, and the dairies are super tiny, so it is difficult to hook the females up to it.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
Those are palmetto bugs, just ask @RoosGirl (or, my grandmother, were she still with us.  She would never call them cockroaches.)

The Palmetto Bug is our State Bird.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 03:31:12 PM
If you can get them before I kill them all....

I ain't talking about cockroaches per se, just their milk. Don't you know what the fastest land animal in the world is?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 03:37:57 PM
The problem with this plan is that it takes 10,000,000 of them to get a cup of milk, you cannot herd them, and the dairies are super tiny, so it is difficult to hook the females up to it.

They are trying to infect yeast with it. Yeast will be on the rise. Just think how grand it would be to survive from a yeast infection.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:49:40 PM
I ain't talking about cockroaches per se, just their milk. Don't you know what the fastest land animal in the world is?

I suppose I don't.  Cheetahs are pretty fast mammals, but some insect could be if one scaled down the sizes/distances involved.  To me, that would be cheating.  :shrug:

Regardless, there won't be cockroach milk if I can get to the roaches first.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:52:16 PM
They are trying to infect yeast with it. Yeast will be on the rise. Just think how grand it would be to survive from a yeast infection.

 :pondering:
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 04:02:56 PM
I just paid a pilot to drop these leaflets on the NJ population before they start getting ideas to head west.....

(https://www.newyorkfloridamovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/New-York-Florida-Movers-route-map.png)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 04:07:51 PM
I just paid a pilot to drop these leaflets on the NJ population before they start getting ideas to head west.....

(https://www.newyorkfloridamovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/New-York-Florida-Movers-route-map.png)

Oh, you want to send them to Miami (Natives pronounce it "Mia-muh" btw)?  You should have said so, that's not part of Florida anymore.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 04:10:05 PM
Oh, you want to send them to Miami (Natives pronounce it "Mia-muh" btw)?  You should have said so, that's not part of Florida anymore.

Who owns it now? The Cubans or Mexico?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 04:12:09 PM
Who owns it now? The Cubans or Mexico?

I think Cuba and Haiti are in negotiations.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Jazzhead on February 11, 2019, 04:14:32 PM
Northern Arizona might do.  Ask @Cyber Liberty about it.

I've thought for some time now that Flagstaff might be an ideal place to retire.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
I think Cuba and Haiti are in negotiations.

That's too bad. They make good sandwiches.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 04:25:39 PM
I've thought for some time now that Flagstaff might be an ideal place to retire.

Sure, if you don't mind snow.  We live just down the I-40 from there now (past Kingman, or as I call it, "Timothy McVeighville").  If you decide to come here, I'll keep the bar open.

If you like the heat (110-115 in June-July), I'd recommend Tempe, near Phoenix.  It's a college town much like Flag, without the nice scenery.  That's the city next to where I've been located since I moved to AZ in 1980.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
That's too bad. They make good sandwiches.

I've never had a Haitian sandwich.  Do you cut those with machetes?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
I've never had a Haitian sandwich.  Do you cut those with machetes?

Depends on how thin you slice 'em.  (Punchline to a very old joke)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 05:10:46 PM
Photo?  Yes, it's a great place that way, especially with a fresh layer of powdery snow resting on the branches of the Pines.  It's has nice features in the Summer, too.

Pho

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Bb5VQjqlXR6GPc4gmF6plqSGMjE=/0x0:2048x1360/1200x800/filters:focal%28861x517:1187x843%29/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/52898781/EVPhoMadameVoPho.0.jpg)

You are right about the snow though.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 05:18:24 PM
Pho

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Bb5VQjqlXR6GPc4gmF6plqSGMjE=/0x0:2048x1360/1200x800/filters:focal%28861x517:1187x843%29/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/52898781/EVPhoMadameVoPho.0.jpg)

You are right about the snow though.

 :mauslaff:

The Haitian Sandwich sounds a tad more appetizing....
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 05:22:02 PM
Don't knock it until you try it.  Good pho is like crack.  You always come back for more.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 05:38:08 PM
Don't knock it until you try it.  Good pho is like crack.  You always come back for more.

I'l try it when I get a chance....
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
Don't knock it until you try it.  Good pho is like crack.  You always come back for more.

So this restaurant in Orlando could be renamed to Crack Hoa?
(https://phohoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/PH-Duo-Logo.png)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 06:52:08 PM
So this restaurant in Orlando could be renamed to Crack Hoa?
(https://phohoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/PH-Duo-Logo.png)

Pho-Shoa
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 07:14:07 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBGG49T50E#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 07:15:30 PM
Meanwhile, elsewhere in the country:

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VKy69sE4VY#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 07:36:38 PM
But -

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIPan-rEQJA&ytbChannel=masterofacdcsuckaS#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 07:37:46 PM
How about “rain” by the Beatles?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 07:38:51 PM
Btw we’re getting snow tonight!

Hurray!
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
This one is nice. 

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrbgbL-iIOY#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 07:41:50 PM
But -


Alright, although, even yet:

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nuCxNfk1F8#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on February 11, 2019, 07:42:58 PM
So this restaurant in Orlando could be renamed to Crack Hoa?
(https://phohoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/PH-Duo-Logo.png)

The local VN restaurant.

(https://phoquyen.com/online/includes/templates/abagon/images/logo.png)

I refer to it as the "Pho Quyen VN place".
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 07:48:03 PM
The local VN restaurant.

(https://phoquyen.com/online/includes/templates/abagon/images/logo.png)

I refer to it as the "Pho Quyen VN place".

phonny
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 07:52:17 PM
@roamer_1, you'll enjoy this one:

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4rQxefXDI&ytbChannel=Damon%20Fowler%20-%20Topic#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 07:59:16 PM
Btw we’re getting snow tonight!

Hurray!

How many inches are you expecting?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 08:00:06 PM
@roamer_1, you'll enjoy this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4rQxefXDI&ytbChannel=Damon%20Fowler%20-%20Topic# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4rQxefXDI&ytbChannel=Damon%20Fowler%20-%20Topic#)

@Sanguine
Nice... And back to Creedence

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu2pVPWGYMQ#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Rain Song - Led Zeppelin

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRt4hQs3nH0#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
Box of Rain - Grateful Dead

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIHySCL-puM#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Let It Rain - Eric Clapton

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OJeR4544XY#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 08:05:50 PM
Btw we’re getting snow tonight!

Hurray!

Is the rain exempted from taxes if it is hard?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Fool in the Rain - Led Zeppelin

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp-LBD_q0sQ#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:10:13 PM
Cold Rain and Snow - Grateful Dead

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS2roM0l9Xg#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
How many inches are you expecting?

6-8 @Hoodat
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:12:36 PM
Early Morning Rain - Gordon Lightfoot

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhFP5l71PRE#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:17:32 PM
It's Raining Again - Supertramp

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IC-6diAL8M#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:19:00 PM
Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 - Bob Dylan

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46lKvk08L1s#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 08:27:46 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DP0mn-fUqA&ytbChannel=miharod#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 08:29:20 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU2U3QAUGak&ab_channel=JasmineMoustafa#)

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDRbF80NKDU&ab_channel=Southerngirl675#)

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UmaFTEIZ84&ab_channel=Movieclips#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 08:29:44 PM
Early Morning Rain - Gordon Lightfoot


Great one!
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:34:34 PM
Fire and Rain - James Taylor

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOIo4lEpsPY#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 08:37:09 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5aZJBLAu1E#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:37:24 PM
Rainy Night in Georgia - Brook Benton

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDRbF80NKDU#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 08:37:33 PM
Who knew a music thread could morph out of a Garden State taxation thread? 
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:40:16 PM
Blue Eyes Cryin' in the Rain - Willie Nelson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA644rSZX1A&start_radio=1&list=RDJA644rSZX1A#t=12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA644rSZX1A&start_radio=1&list=RDJA644rSZX1A#t=12)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 08:41:24 PM
Who knew a music thread could morph out of a Garden State taxation thread?

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zaebtU-CA#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 08:42:19 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFoQxjgbrs&ab_channel=CarpentersVEVO#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 08:43:46 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFoQxjgbrs&ab_channel=CarpentersVEVO#)

OK, you go to the office right now and turn in your rock and roll card.  That was a horrible song!
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:44:32 PM
Who knew a music thread could morph out of a Garden State taxation thread?

Trying to keep a positive tone since Freya announced she was hoping to get 8" tonight (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,351121.msg1915173.html#msg1915173).
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 08:45:24 PM
OK, you go to the office right now and turn in your rock and roll card.  That was a horrible song!

Will this redeem me in your eyes @Sanguine

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLeZof1wGps&ab_channel=catman916#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 08:45:32 PM
Trying to keep a positive tone since Freya announced she was hoping to get 8" tonight (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,351121.msg1915173.html#msg1915173).

 888mouth
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 08:46:33 PM
Will this redeem me in your eyes @Sanguine

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLeZof1wGps&ab_channel=catman916#)

Much better, but you've still got some work to do. 
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 08:48:00 PM
OK, you go to the office right now and turn in your rock and roll card.  That was a horrible song!

You praise that crap song from that Hoser Gordon Lightfoot but slam the dulcet tones of Karen Carpenter? Give me a break. 
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 08:49:16 PM
Trying to keep a positive tone since Freya announced she was hoping to get 8" tonight (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,351121.msg1915173.html#msg1915173).


 :0001:
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 08:49:26 PM
You praise that crap song from that Hoser Gordon Lightfoot but slam the dulcet tones of Karen Carpenter? Give me a break.

Dulcet?  Off key and depressed is much more accurate.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 08:49:53 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qVPNONdF58&ab_channel=BlindMelonVEVO#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 08:50:20 PM
Trying to keep a positive tone since Freya announced she was hoping to get 8" tonight (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,351121.msg1915173.html#msg1915173).

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiVNsis2h0M#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:52:50 PM
Rain Dance - The Guess Who

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQDP97r4k4A#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 08:53:04 PM
You praise that crap song from that Hoser Gordon Lightfoot but slam the dulcet tones of Karen Carpenter? Give me a break.

I'm not going to say anything other than The Carpenters were involved in a formal inquiry.
(https://media.apnarm.net.au/media/images/2013/12/02/GGT_30-11-2013_EGN_06_FRA291113sinking1_fct1025x773x162_ct677x380.jpg)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:54:28 PM
Hey Mr. Rain - Lou Reed

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udFc9E43NgE#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 08:54:50 PM
@Amb. Frank Cannon
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI5IA8assfk&ab_channel=MilliVanilliVEVO#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 08:55:13 PM
Dulcet?  Off key and depressed is much more accurate.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/DdydyuuG3bQti/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 08:55:45 PM
@Amb. Frank Cannon
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI5IA8assfk&ab_channel=MilliVanilliVEVO#)

Gosh those guys were awesome singers.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 08:56:34 PM
A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall - Patti Smith

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgOKtUNcc_c#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 08:57:14 PM
I'm not going to say anything other than The Carpenters were involved in a formal inquiry.
(https://media.apnarm.net.au/media/images/2013/12/02/GGT_30-11-2013_EGN_06_FRA291113sinking1_fct1025x773x162_ct677x380.jpg)

Carpenters isn't Yacht Rock. It's easy listening.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 08:59:43 PM
Carpenters isn't Yacht Rock. It's easy listening.

Let me lay a cold hard truth on you about what Yacht Rock used to be called.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 09:01:01 PM
Carpenters isn't Yacht Rock. It's easy listening.

Easy listening shouldn't set your teeth on edge. 
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 09:09:51 PM
Feels Like Rain - Little Feat

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p2WyLbzMV8#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 09:10:25 PM
Can't Stand the Rain - Lowell George

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN1pDIse9jg#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 09:12:19 PM
Red Rain - Peter Gabriel

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6BesY5Doec#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 09:15:37 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvnYmWpD_T8&ytbChannel=The%20Codfather#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 09:19:38 PM
Rainy Day women by Bob Dylan
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 09:20:51 PM
Raindrops keep falling on my head.

Don’t know who sings it
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 09:21:17 PM
This isn't a rain song, but it's dedicated to @Freya nonetheless.  Hope she gets ten inches of snow.

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rws_7mLTqj8#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 09:22:14 PM
Raindrops keep falling on my head.

Don’t know who sings it

B. J. Thomas.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
I love snow!
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 11, 2019, 09:23:33 PM
I love snow!

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH2KGboA35c&ab_channel=TheVinnyVan#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 09:39:46 PM
Raindrops keep falling on my head.

Don’t know who sings it

B.J. Thomas.

Oops, I see The Ghost already got it.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 09:50:33 PM
Here’s a good song about snow

Snow by the Red Hot Chili Peppers
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 10:02:53 PM
888mouth

I know, right?

I get credit for not saying it.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 10:12:07 PM
B.J. Thomas.


Can we stop with the vulgarities? It's a family site after all.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 10:14:19 PM
I love snow!

Who the hell doesn't!

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3RACWJ5hWo#)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 12, 2019, 03:53:21 AM
Strange time.  High tax states going for broke.
Liberals always double down when they are wrong.

If that doesn't work, they double down again.

(They just can't admit they are wrong.)
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 12, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, it started to snow!

❄️ ❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️
Title: Dem lawmakers to soak New Jersey businesses and homeowners as they brace for new tax … ON RAIN
Post by: rangerrebew on February 12, 2019, 12:00:46 PM

Dem lawmakers to soak New Jersey businesses and homeowners as they brace for new tax … ON RAIN
February 11, 2019 | Frieda Powers | Print Article


New Jersey residents and business owners are bracing for an imminent new tax on something they are powerless to control.

Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy is poised to sign a new bill approved by the New Jersey Senate and Assembly that will be taxing…the rain.

The new legislation, inspired by former President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency, allows the state’s 565 municipalities to set up their own public stormwater utilities which would build and manage sewer systems, according to WLNY-TV.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/02/11/dem-lawmakers-to-soak-new-jersey-businesses-and-homeowners-as-they-brace-for-new-tax-on-rain-723070 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/02/11/dem-lawmakers-to-soak-new-jersey-businesses-and-homeowners-as-they-brace-for-new-tax-on-rain-723070)
Title: Re: Dem lawmakers to soak New Jersey businesses and homeowners as they brace for new tax … ON RAIN
Post by: thackney on February 12, 2019, 12:37:20 PM
Deceptive headline.  They are not taxing rain.

But if you want to pour concrete all over the place and don't include any retention pond or the like, making the drainage problem, expected to get charged for the additional load you put on the city drainage.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 01:01:06 PM
Topics merged.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 12, 2019, 01:02:19 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, it started to snow!

❄️ ❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️


YAY for you. 
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!
JOY JOY JOY!
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: 240B on February 12, 2019, 01:09:05 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, it started to snow!

❄️ ❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️

Snow is just another form of rain. So snow will be taxed along with rain, air, dirt, and sunshine.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Rivergirl on February 12, 2019, 01:21:53 PM
Murphy has to find a way to recoup all the money he wasted TREATING the roads every time he thought it might snow.   Taxing rain is just the beginning.   
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 12, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
Just so you all know our taxes were raised on Jan 1.

https://www.withum.com/resources/impact-fy-2019-budget-nj-state-tax/ (https://www.withum.com/resources/impact-fy-2019-budget-nj-state-tax/)

I’ll know more when I go to my accountant for income tax filing at the end of the month,
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
Snow is just another form of rain. So snow will be taxed along with rain, air, dirt, and sunshine.

Snow is taxing enough without human intervention.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Rivergirl on February 12, 2019, 01:26:01 PM
Deceptive headline.  They are not taxing rain.

But if you want to pour concrete all over the place and don't include any retention pond or the like, making the drainage problem, expected to get charged for the additional load you put on the city drainage.

Shouldn't this issue be addressed in the permitting process?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: GrouchoTex on February 12, 2019, 01:30:20 PM
Take a look at Boise. The midwest is too flat for me. The left coast is out. Northern AZ is probably good. Southern Utah too lonely. I don't know if you are arrogant enough to be a Texan.
Never asked someone where they are from.
If they are from Texas, they'll tell you.
If not, there's no need to embarrass them.
 :cool:
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: ABX on February 12, 2019, 01:32:16 PM
I keep getting offers to transfer to New Jersey. I try not to laugh at them.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
Never asked someone where they are from.
If they are from Texas, they'll tell you.
If not, there's no need to embarrass them.
 :cool:

 :pondering:

You mean Texans are like Vegans, who feel a need to inform everybody of their status constantly?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 01:34:03 PM
They paved paradise...
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 01:34:58 PM
I keep getting offers to transfer to New Jersey. I try not to laugh at them.

I'd try, but fail.  I was once offered a transfer to Hudson River Valley in NY, and I totally failed to not laugh out loud.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 01:36:53 PM
Never asked someone where they are from.
If they are from Texas, they'll tell you.
If not, there's no need to embarrass them.
 :cool:

LOL
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: GrouchoTex on February 12, 2019, 01:37:08 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFoQxjgbrs&ab_channel=CarpentersVEVO#)

If Mama Cass had given Karen Carpenter that sandwich, they both may still be alive today.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: GrouchoTex on February 12, 2019, 01:38:15 PM
:pondering:

You mean Texans are like Vegans, who feel a need to inform everybody of their status constantly?

So, a vegan and an atheist walk into a bar.
How did I know?
Within 30 seconds, they've told everybody.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 12, 2019, 01:43:06 PM
I keep getting offers to transfer to New Jersey. I try not to laugh at them.

I’m in. NJ and I’m nice. @ABX
Title: Re: Dem lawmakers to soak New Jersey businesses and homeowners as they brace for new tax … ON RAIN
Post by: RoosGirl on February 12, 2019, 01:45:08 PM
Deceptive headline.  They are not taxing rain.

But if you want to pour concrete all over the place and don't include any retention pond or the like, making the drainage problem, expected to get charged for the additional load you put on the city drainage.

Yes, it should be, and probably now is, addressed in permitting, but in addition to that from what I can gather from the article they're talking about requiring retrofitting of older developments.  That would most likely require the taking of land to build some kind of SMF.  The FDEP was well down the path of trying to require that here, but thankfully Gov Scott put an end to that nonsense.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 01:51:47 PM
So, a vegan and an atheist walk into a bar.
How did I know.
Within 30 seconds, they've told everybody.

 :mauslaff:
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: GrouchoTex on February 12, 2019, 01:54:22 PM
:mauslaff:

Did I mention that I'm a Texan?

(Gotta poke fun at myself, too).
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 02:18:37 PM
Did I mention that I'm a Texan?

(Gotta poke fun at myself, too).

You're a Texan??  You could knock me down with a feather!  LOL!
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: 240B on February 12, 2019, 02:46:10 PM
So, a vegan, a gluten free liberal, and an atheist walk into a bar.
How did I know?
Within 30 seconds, they've told everybody.

Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Sanguine on February 12, 2019, 03:28:59 PM
I’m in. NJ and I’m nice. @ABX

Yes, but you want to leave.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: 240B on February 12, 2019, 03:55:34 PM
I keep getting offers to transfer to New Jersey. I try not to laugh at them.
I know. I got an offer to write ADA code for the M1 tank. Great job. But the job was in Detroit. Thanks, but no thanks.
No desire to live in Michigan, and especially in Detroit.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Gefn on February 12, 2019, 03:57:33 PM
Yes, but you want to leave.

But not for a while. Maybe 10 years. And with the exception of when my company sent me on various assignments and vacations I’ve been in NJ my entire life.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 05:01:21 PM
I know. I got an offer to write ADA code for the M1 tank. Great job. But the job was in Detroit. Thanks, but no thanks.
No desire to live in Michigan, and especially in Detroit.

The UP is awesome I could be a Yooper. In fact it is probably the only place East of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon line where I would fit.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 05:18:32 PM
I know. I got an offer to write ADA code for the M1 tank. Great job. But the job was in Detroit. Thanks, but no thanks.
No desire to live in Michigan, and especially in Detroit.

You should ask for the use of one of those tanks as a company vehicle for not only for the commute, but other business and pleasure.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: 240B on February 12, 2019, 05:32:04 PM
You should ask for the use of one of those tanks as a company vehicle for not only for the commute, but other business and pleasure.
I would need one if I lived in Detroit, just to keep from being mugged and carjacked. That's why I didn't go. Too dangerous and way too cold for me. It was good to know that my decline allowed some other qualified person to take the job. I like that. Had other offers at the time so it was no big deal to me. Honestly, I've worked on some weird systems in my career. Stuff I'm not allowed to talk about.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 06:17:23 PM
I would need one if I lived in Detroit, just to keep from being mugged and carjacked. That's why I didn't go. Too dangerous and way too cold for me. It was good to know that my decline allowed some other qualified person to take the job. I like that. Had other offers at the time so it was no big deal to me. Honestly, I've worked on some weird systems in my career. Stuff I'm not allowed to talk about.

I am happy where I am at. I've seen enough of the world to know the difference. There is one thing I have wanted to see/visit. The pyramids/temples down South.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 06:34:02 PM
The UP is awesome I could be a Yooper. In fact it is probably the only place East of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon line where I would fit.

You have better mountains where you are.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: 240B on February 12, 2019, 06:39:33 PM
I am happy where I am at. I've seen enough of the world to know the difference. There is one thing I have wanted to see/visit. The pyramids/temples down South.
Which ones? There are pyramids literally all over the world, except in America. If you mean Egypt, you can do it but it is dangerous. Tourism has nosedived since Obama installed his terrorist Muslim Brotherhood government there. That government was overthrown, but the country is still in disarray and a dangerous place to be. Going to South Egypt, or Luxor, without armed bodyguards would be incredibly dangerous. The farther you go away from Alexandria and Cairo the more it becomes more like a no-man's-land.

Cairo is the safest place to be in Egypt, and even that is a toss-up these days. The government uses troops to keep Cairo safe because they want tourist revenue. Once you leave the Capitol city, you will be more or less on your own unless the tour company has hired police or some armed escort.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 06:46:45 PM
Which ones? There are pyramids literally all over the world, except in America. If you mean Egypt, you can do it but it is dangerous. Tourism has nosedived since Obama installed his terrorist Muslim Brotherhood government there. That government was overthrown, but the country is still in disarray and a dangerous place to be. Going to South Egypt, or Luxor, without armed bodyguards would be incredibly dangerous. The farther you go away from Alexandria and Cairo the more it becomes more like a no-man's-land.

Cairo is the safest place to be in Egypt, and even that is a toss-up these days. The government uses troops to keep Cairo safe because they want tourist revenue. Once you leave the Capitol city, you will be more or less on your own unless the tour company has hired police or some armed escort.

Prolly  Chicaneza?
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 06:55:34 PM
Which ones? There are pyramids literally all over the world, except in America. If you mean Egypt, you can do it but it is dangerous. Tourism has nosedived since Obama installed a terrorist Muslim Brotherhood government there. That government was overthrown, but the country is still in disarray and a dangerous place to be. Going to South Egypt, for example Luxor, without armed bodyguards would be incredibly dangerous. The farther you go away from Alexandria and Cairo the more it becomes more like a no-man's-land.

Cairo is the safest place to be in Egypt, and even that is a toss-up these days. The government uses troops to keep Cairo safe because they want tourist revenue. Once you leave Capitol city, you will be more or less on your own unless the tour company has hired police or some armed escort.

The ones in Mexico/Central America. I lived in Egypt for a year. I've been on top of the Great Pyramid. That was 1982. There were guards at night. For a few dollars, they would look the other way. Pretty sure they have stopped the practice. While still in Egypt we heard a Marine (stationed at the Embassy) had fallen off from it and died.  Egypt was "safe" back then. We went over to visit some friends in an apartment complex for ex-pats. it wasn't a gated place. There were armed military guards because there were several Israeli families there. The guards had leaned their weapons against the nearest tree and were half a block away getting a soda from a street vendor.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 07:57:36 PM
You have better mountains where you are.

Oh heck yeah. I have the best mountains anywhere. That ain't the point. If I HAD to be east of the Mississippi and north of the South...
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 07:58:38 PM
Which ones? There are pyramids literally all over the world, except in America.

Cahokia.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Hoodat on February 12, 2019, 08:02:56 PM
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Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 08:06:17 PM
Oh heck yeah. I have the best mountains anywhere. That ain't the point. If I HAD to be east of the Mississippi and north of the South...

Yeah, I can see that.  I've been to UP a few times, my bro lived in Marquette for a few years.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: thackney on February 13, 2019, 07:35:54 AM
Shouldn't this issue be addressed in the permitting process?

That was how the city I used to live in did it.  They did not tax them extra.  They would not issue the permit until a retention "pond" is built that will hold two hours of rain from all the covered in concrete.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 13, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
That was how the city I used to live in did it.  They did not tax them extra.  They would not issue the permit until a retention "pond" is built that will hold two hours of rain from all the covered in concrete.
In town, there is a limit on how much of a residential property may be covered by an impermeable surface in my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 13, 2019, 09:09:03 AM
That was how the city I used to live in did it.  They did not tax them extra.  They would not issue the permit until a retention "pond" is built that will hold two hours of rain from all the covered in concrete.

In town, there is a limit on how much of a residential property may be covered by an impermeable surface in my neck of the woods.

Same here.  Us back woods hicks learned a long time ago to prevent flooding you need so much area set aside for "Green space".... Retention ponds and housing density limits.   Same for commercial development.  But I guess those yankee's know what is best... tax everything and everyone. 
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
Same here.  Us back woods hicks learned a long time ago to prevent flooding you need so much area set aside for "Green space".... Retention ponds and housing density limits.   Same for commercial development.  But I guess those yankee's know what is best... tax everything and everyone.

Could it be about the revenue?  Just thinking out loud here, @The Ghost.
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: The Ghost on February 13, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
Could it be about the revenue?  Just thinking out loud here, @The Ghost.

@Cyber Liberty
Upnort, it is always about the Benjamins. How many and how often you can stick it to the citizenry.

Down here it's how to fight off the damn yankee infestation when they bring their liberal big city tax and speed ideas with them and get on Zoning Boards and commisions.  Not to mention when they enroll their rugrats in our schools and get elected to the school board. 
Title: Re: NJ Voters Furious As Governor Murphy Prepares To Sign 'Rain Tax' Into Law
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 10:32:36 AM
@Cyber Liberty
Upnort, it is always about the Benjamins. How many and how often you can stick it to the citizenry.

Down here it's how to fight off the damn yankee infestation when they bring their liberal big city tax and speed ideas with them and get on Zoning Boards and commisions.  Not to mention when they enroll their rugrats in our schools and get elected to the school board.

It illustrates the leftist mindset.  They claim to want to do wonderful things for "other people" but they always seem to end up with bags of loot.  One  would almost think they are only in it for the money.

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