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Title: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
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They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot

It’s an old philosophical question: if a speeding train is careening down the track, and it’s about to crush a group of injured people, would you pull a lever that would redirect it to kill just one innocent person?

Now, provocative new research puts a new twist on the thought experiment by asking people whether they’d pull the lever to kill an intelligent robot and save a person.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 03:23:44 PM
I want to send a big SHOUTOUT to all the people who can't live without their cell phone.

I'm not talking about people who use their phones for their businesses.

May be of interest to:

@Victoria33
@Quix
@the_doc
@Smokin Joe

I'm still going to shout
I'll send out the cry
Not going to pout
but with a heavy sigh...

AI is coming to town!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 09, 2019, 03:33:52 PM
The machine is replaceable, and likely backed up to the cloud somewhere.
Regardless,
I'd save the human.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 03:55:04 PM
The machine is replaceable, and likely backed up to the cloud somewhere.
Regardless,
I'd save the human.

Given the political climate, with politicians advocating killing post-term babies, the area turns a darker shade of grey.

This is one of the things about 5G. The ability for you to interface with AI. Which will automatically make you smarter.

There is already another growing trend. Digisexuality.

 https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019/january/digisexuality-the-new-trend-of-falling-in-love-with-robots-and-why-it-escalates-sexual-threats-to-women-and-kids

Digisexuality: The New Trend of 'Falling in Love' With Robots and Why It Escalates Sexual Threats to Women and Kids

The New York Times reports that sex with artificial intelligence and robots, or "digisexuality," is becoming mainstream.

"Today we fall in love through our phones. Maybe your phone itself could be just as satisfying," the newspaper suggests.

The article highlights the story of a 35-year-old Japanese man who "married" a hologram in November after being unable to form relationships with real women. He believes his hologram marriage is no different than gay marriage.

The Times suggests these kinds of digital relationships are becoming more popular after efforts to redefine traditional sexuality and marriage escalated in recent years.

"We live in an era when rapid advances in robotics and artificial intelligence are colliding with an expanding conception of sexual identity. This comes quickly on the heels of growing worldwide acceptance of gay, trans and bisexual people," the paper reads. "But the idea that flesh-and-blood humans may actually forge fulfilling emotional, or even sexual, relationships with digital devices is no longer confined to dystopian science fiction movies."

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 03:58:18 PM
Something you said about speaking up, or remaining silent, @Smokin Joe

I'm speaking up. Pass it along.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 09, 2019, 03:59:56 PM
Cherry 2000 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/fullcredits)

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 09, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Something you said about speaking up, or remaining silent, @Smokin Joe

I'm speaking up. Pass it along.
The whole phone thing. I watched a guy walking through a field, phone in hand and so focused on it, he stepped in a hole and fell flat on his face.

The reason--a big reason--that people have trouble having relationships is we are surrounded by machines designed to grab (and hold) our attention, to sell us stuff or ideas, to the detriment of face to face communication with other people.

In the absence of being able to see the other person in front of them, that shield of distance and aura of unreality has coarsened what passes for communication, and in many cases, the regard humans once had for one another.

It is a sad situation, because ultimately much bitter and unnecessary enmity will be settled in blood, and the swipe left/swipe right hookup mentality that people are as disposable as a phone when the next model comes out has all but destroyed the deeper feelings once associated with dating, couples, and to some extent the concept of longstanding commitment (which was already grievously injured).

No wonder that techie guy was having trouble relating to humans, no wonder he felt more for his machine, a hologram without any baggage. But he lost something there, too. While it can be argued that the hologram won't sue him for half in a divorce or take the kids, he lost his chance to be a knight in shining armor, a rock, the person who makes things all better, and in so doing gains strength, honor, and confidence in his ability to deal with the trials and tribulations of everyday life, be they great or small.
No man can be a hero to something that doesn't understand what he risks, to a machine that will never feel the sting of failure.

Years ago, one of my granddaughters said, "I have over 400 facebook friends!".
I said, "Cool! What color are their eyes?"
She didn't know, and realized only the couple of people she could trust with her life were her real friends.
It was a letdown for her at first, until I reminded her that if it took more than two hands of fingers to count the people you could really count on in a pinch, she was lucky indeed. Most of us rarely get past the first handful at any given time in our lives. Lots of acquaintances, few real friends.

Kill the machine. Keep the people. @roamer_1
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 04:30:29 PM
Cherry 2000 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/fullcredits)

Requiem for Methuselah (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708444/)

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Quix on February 09, 2019, 05:08:04 PM
I want to send a big SHOUTOUT to all the people who can't live without their cell phone.

I'm not talking about people who use their phones for their businesses.

May be of interest to:

@Victoria33
@Quix
@the_doc
@Smokin Joe

I'm still going to shout
I'll send out the cry
Not going to pout
but with a heavy sigh...

AI is coming to town!

Thanks.

I'd certainly save the human over the robot.

However, because the globalist oligarchy has succeeded in changing the bulk of the values in Western culture from

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD . . .

and thereby reducing individuals, humans, mankind to be nothing more significant than a pigeon, a rat a radish or a rock

we can likely expect growing cries to protect robots over people.

WE must face the fact that the liberal hidiots have been propaganda lobotomized, brain washed, !!!CONTROLLED!!!! wholesale. They do not tend to operate with reason. They tend to be suicidally hypocritical.


Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 05:58:18 PM

Thanks.

I'd certainly save the human over the robot.

However, because the globalist oligarchy has succeeded in changing the bulk of the values in Western culture from

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD . . .

and thereby reducing individuals, humans, mankind to be nothing more significant than a pigeon, a rat a radish or a rock

we can likely expect growing cries to protect robots over people.

WE must face the fact that the liberal hidiots have been propaganda lobotomized, brain washed, !!!CONTROLLED!!!! wholesale. They do not tend to operate with reason. They tend to be suicidally hypocritical.





The big town close by just passed a city ordinance that if you are caught using your cell phone while driving it is an automatic $300 fine. I was glad to see it.

Related.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/biased-ai-microsoft-reputation

Microsoft Is Worried Its AI Will Go Rogue and Hurt Its Reputation

Microsoft is worried about its reputation being hurt?

What about people being hurt?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 09, 2019, 06:04:35 PM
Would I rather kill a human or a robot?  That's a silly question. The robot wouldn't feel the pain I inflicted so what satisfaction would there be in that?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: EdJames on February 09, 2019, 06:07:30 PM
I must not understand the question, of course it would be a robot.  If I ever saw a robot I would enjoy smashing it to pieces with a bat.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 06:08:17 PM
Would I rather kill a human or a robot?  That's a silly question. The robot wouldn't feel the pain I inflicted so what satisfaction would there be in that?

That is the whole point. People who believe the robots will be able to "feel".
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 09, 2019, 06:27:21 PM
That is the whole point. People who believe the robots will be able to "feel".

Maybe if they programmed the robots to say "Ow, you're hurting me." it would be more fun.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 09, 2019, 06:28:24 PM

The big town close by just passed a city ordinance that if you are caught using your cell phone while driving it is an automatic $300 fine. I was glad to see it.

Related.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/biased-ai-microsoft-reputation

Microsoft Is Worried Its AI Will Go Rogue and Hurt Its Reputation

Microsoft is worried about its reputation being hurt?

What about people being hurt?

Does that include the cops that are on their computers and phones while driving?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 06:40:00 PM
Maybe if they programmed the robots to say "Ow, you're hurting me." it would be more fun.

Quote
. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 07:09:26 PM
Does that include the cops that are on their computers and phones while driving?

I asked my neighbor the cop that. He uses a Bluetooth. He also qualified it by saying it depended on the situation. The ordinance is aimed at people with a phone in their hand. Especially people texting.

I have to make a correction. First offense is a $100 fine.

One thing I can tell you is I haven't seen a LEO on a phone while doing a regular patrol. And if they are in response mode I am more interested in getting out of their way.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: GtHawk on February 09, 2019, 09:59:18 PM
Would I rather kill a human or a robot?  That's a silly question. The robot wouldn't feel the pain I inflicted so what satisfaction would there be in that?
My only question would be 'which human' there are some that yeah I'd rather kill than a robot.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2019, 10:01:54 PM
My only question would be 'which human' there are some that yeah I'd rather kill than a robot.

There is that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 09, 2019, 10:45:37 PM

Kill the machine. Keep the people. @roamer_1

Great post, @Smokin Joe , all of it.

I am a heck of a geek, but it ain't ever been where my heart lies, beyond the fixing of things - I have to understand how to deal with these things that are becoming so influential in society, and have such a huge impact on my friends, family, and myself.

But I am far removed from computerized society, beyond a token FB presence for harvesting grandkid pix, and a few scattered forums, this one being primary... The very fact that it is virtual means that it ain't real - But folks have gone so far into the virtual that they no longer understand the real at all. And in the process, lose track of any sense or propriety.

I drug home a 50's era 6" vise the other day... A feller can learn a whole lot about folks messin around with restoring things. That old vise was made back in a day when people meant it. I am sure you know that you can't even buy a good one anymore... But that ol girl has been around longer than me, and other than being cached full of rust, some worn out chompers, and wallered out acme thread, she's as good as the day she was made.

That ol vise is a thing of beauty - Made by true craftsmen for the use of true craftsmen... And stood the test of time. That I dug it out of a trash heap at the steel yard says more about the kind of folks we've become than about the vise itself.

She's all apart right now, as I have been soaking the years off her, and she'll have to bear the indignity of the sandblaster, And I will have to drill out the threads and make a steel collar to replace them, pressing that into the faulty spindle nut to make her new... And a set of jaw plates I have to make on a flycutter... She'll be all brand-new pretty soon, all refitted and greased, and painted orange and lettered... Ready for the next 70 years, where hopefully some other craftsman will see it's worth, see my own craftsmanship, and repeat it...

I will bring her back from her grave and make her right as rain, right back to original specs, in part because I have a deep respect for her maker... But also because you just cannot buy her like for any price anymore. And what it can do - Well, there ain't no app for that. And that is what folks are missing.

As to the question, life is cheap and confusing to those who have nothing to weigh it against...
Would I have any confusion at all between a hoomin life and that vise? Of course not. It is a machine. Just because the AI is more complicated, doesn't make the decision any different... And one I can readily make without hardly a thought.

As to the hoomin, well, there again, I have a deep respect for their Maker... And I have done enough killing to know what life is. That may well be where the rubber meets the road - I know the price of every bite of meat I put in my mouth, and that price is life. Life taken from the critter I am gnawing on is directly life for me. That it was taken by my own hand makes it very real.

And from that blooms a deeper respect for life, which directly extends to understanding - And is why I will forever prefer my conversations to be with sweet tea and maybe a chunk of pie, if I am lucky, on a back porch somewhere... That same decision, compared with texting, skyping, or even the phone, is likewise readily made without a thought. Those other means are nothing but cheap replacements made in China.

That direct interaction with all the facial expressions, smells, textures, and such, cannot be replaced, cannot be refined... It is as natural as it comes... and nature is reality un-retouched... A thing that cannot be virtualized.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Quix on February 09, 2019, 11:20:31 PM

The big town close by just passed a city ordinance that if you are caught using your cell phone while driving it is an automatic $300 fine. I was glad to see it.

Related.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/biased-ai-microsoft-reputation

Microsoft Is Worried Its AI Will Go Rogue and Hurt Its Reputation

Microsoft is worried about its reputation being hurt?

What about people being hurt?

I have a Nissan ExTerra. On the roof-top windscreen, I have put red letters designed backwards so when viewed in a mirror they read:

HANG UP N DRIVE

I feel pretty strongly about the issue. A friend was hurt because of a texting driver.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 11:07:45 AM
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Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 01:13:22 PM
This is one of the things about 5G. The ability for you to interface with AI. Which will automatically make you smarter.

Just saw this.  There must be a tongue firmly planted in your cheek...that sort of thing doesn't make anybody smarter, just better educated.  We have Colleges graduating educated nitwits all over the country, proving "education" != "intelligence."

A favorite saying of mine:  In the 21st Century, many people have a device in their pockets that allows them access to the entire world's knowledge base.  What do they do with it?  Yell at each other over grammar and punctuation, and post cute videos of kittens (I approve of the kitten part).
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
If it was a choice between my Roomba and some humans I'd choose to save my Roomba. I love that thing.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 01:34:01 PM
If it was a choice between my Roomba and some humans I'd choose to save my Roomba. I love that thing.

Apparently you never had one run over a dog poopie.   :silly:

(There are stories on the Interwebz about that.)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Apparently you never had one run over a dog poopie.   :silly:

No, but mine has ran over cat poop (I found out that they will not use their boxes while the Roomba is running, due to fear of it, presumably). Luckily it was very dry at that point.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 01:38:32 PM
No, but mine has ran over cat poop (I found out that they will not use their boxes while the Roomba is running, due to fear of it, presumably). Luckily it was very dry at that point.

It was more than luck:  It's proof you walk with G_d.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: catfish1957 on February 10, 2019, 01:56:02 PM


"They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot"

Obviously, a Roomba isn't a "sentient" version of a robot, but I will attest that they don't hold up well after 5 minutes with a baseball bat.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 02:06:23 PM

"They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot"

Obviously, a Roomba isn't a "sentient" version of a robot, but I will attest that they don't hold up well after 5 minutes with a baseball bat.

Really?  They do great when left alone at home while being at work and they hit a pile of puppy poo.  Then they run and run and run like Bruce Jenner used to.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 02:07:46 PM
Really?  They do great when left alone at home while being at work and they hit a pile of puppy poo.  Then they run and run and run like Bruce Jenner used to.

Supposedly iRobot is working on a robot that will stop once it detects any dampness whatsoever.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 02:10:12 PM
Supposedly iRobot is working on a robot that will stop once it detects any dampness whatsoever.

I think they have ones that speed up...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 02:24:51 PM
Supposedly iRobot is working on a robot that will stop once it detects any dampness whatsoever.

I think there is also a wet-mop version.  I haven't checked out the iRobot web page in a long time.

Meanwhile, an anecdote:

https://www.facebook.com/914687145223202/photos/a.917487221609861.1073741829.914687145223202/1616054178419825/?type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/914687145223202/photos/a.917487221609861.1073741829.914687145223202/1616054178419825/?type=3)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 02:26:54 PM
I think there is also a wet-mop version.  I haven't checked out the iRobot web page in a long time.

Meanwhile, an anecdote:

https://www.facebook.com/914687145223202/photos/a.917487221609861.1073741829.914687145223202/1616054178419825/?type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/914687145223202/photos/a.917487221609861.1073741829.914687145223202/1616054178419825/?type=3)

I have the Braava Jet. Thing is sweet, because I generally hate cleaning floors. It doesn't scrub floors, but it mops them good enough. Just put in a pad and take off for the day.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 02:32:28 PM
Do robot dogs dream of electric sheep?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 10, 2019, 02:36:19 PM
I think there is also a wet-mop version.  I haven't checked out the iRobot web page in a long time.

Meanwhile, an anecdote:

https://www.facebook.com/914687145223202/photos/a.917487221609861.1073741829.914687145223202/1616054178419825/?type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/914687145223202/photos/a.917487221609861.1073741829.914687145223202/1616054178419825/?type=3)

I have the wet mop version from about 10 years ago.  Worked fairly well on tile floors, has a clean water tank and a dirty water tank. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 02:52:24 PM
Do robot dogs dream of electric sheep?

One of my favorite books by Mr. Dick.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 10, 2019, 03:00:09 PM
Just saw this.  There must be a tongue firmly planted in your cheek...that sort of thing doesn't make anybody smarter, just better educated.  We have Colleges graduating educated nitwits all over the country, proving "education" != "intelligence."

A favorite saying of mine:  In the 21st Century, many people have a device in their pockets that allows them access to the entire world's knowledge base.  What do they do with it?  Yell at each other over grammar and punctuation, and post cute videos of kittens (I approve of the kitten part).
I think there is a fundamental difference between information and knowledge. We have lots of information (some of it even true), knowledge is lagging, and wisdom is still on the back stretch.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 03:18:45 PM
I think there is a fundamental difference between information and knowledge. We have lots of information (some of it even true), knowledge is lagging, and wisdom is still on the back stretch.

Bueno!  Absolutely correct, as usual.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 03:24:31 PM
I think there is a fundamental difference between information and knowledge. We have lots of information (some of it even true), knowledge is lagging, and wisdom is still on the back stretch.

It's the same with education.  Just because you have managed to adsorb (I chose that word carefully) some information in no way makes you educated   Only when you have learned how to apply that information to the business of living on this planet will you be educated.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 10, 2019, 03:26:45 PM
It's the same with education.  Just because you have managed to adsorb (I chose that word carefully) some information in no way makes you educated   Only when you have learned how to apply that information to the business of living on this planet will you be educated.
You memorize a lot without ever understanding it. It's the understanding that leads to wisdom, not just that things do/do not work, but how and why.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 03:42:52 PM
Speaking of knowledge, there is something a very large part of the population just won't get.  If some sort of augmentation comes out, like having a neural net or chip implanted in your brain that allows your brain to process information better, or faster,  the vast majority will only get the tech level they can afford. Get it?

There is another misnomer. Average intelligence is merely something they came up with to help people feel about themselves. My observation has been either you have it, or you don't. And no machine will be able to change that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 03:44:34 PM
It's the same with education.  Just because you have managed to adsorb (I chose that word carefully) some information in no way makes you educated   Only when you have learned how to apply that information to the business of living on this planet will you be educated.

And when you apply that education to extend knowledge, that's wisdom, thus closing the loop of information vs education vs wisdom.

Presto!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 03:44:59 PM
You memorize a lot without ever understanding it. It's the understanding that leads to wisdom, not just that things do/do not work, but how and why.

The moment you touch a hot stove and you know why you were told to never touch a hot stove.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 03:46:47 PM
Speaking of knowledge, there is something a very large part of the population just won't get.  If some sort of augmentation comes out, like having a neural net or chip implanted in your brain that allows your brain to process information better, or faster,  the vast majority will only get the tech level they can afford. Get it?

An astute observation, my friend.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 04:06:55 PM
Speaking of knowledge, there is something a very large part of the population just won't get.  If some sort of augmentation comes out, like having a neural net or chip implanted in your brain that allows your brain to process information better, or faster,  the vast majority will only get the tech level they can afford. Get it?

There is another misnomer. Average intelligence is merely something they came up with to help people feel about themselves. My observation has been either you have it, or you don't. And no machine will be able to change that.

 :amen: @bigheadfred.   That is what I have observed as well.

Some,  nay most, people simply cannot understand how a few among us can tell them what the net results of their efforts will be far in advance of them being known.  We have touched on how that can be in the last few posts here.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 04:08:51 PM
The moment you touch a hot stove and you know why you were told to never touch a hot stove.

And you will discriminate against touching hot stoves forever after.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 04:14:08 PM
And you will discriminate against touching hot stoves forever after.

Not me!  Nope.  I believe in Continuing Education!  (OWWWW!)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 10, 2019, 04:17:46 PM
And you will discriminate against touching hot stoves forever after.
No, but I learned to hold my hand an inch or so away to feel for heat. (Taught the grandkids that, too).

It has saved a lot of howling and time holding little hands under cold water, and probably half a gallon of tea tree oil.

They don't have to get hurt to get Papa time, and they know it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 04:18:27 PM
Not me!  Nope.  I believe in Continuing Education!  (OWWWW!)

LOL!   wink777
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 04:24:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ocm4ZyL.png)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 05:25:04 PM
A favorite saying of mine:  In the 21st Century, many people have a device in their pockets that allows them access to the entire world's knowledge base.  What do they do with it?  Yell at each other over grammar and punctuation, and post cute videos of kittens (I approve of the kitten part).

LOL! yup

Buy em books and buy em books... What do they do? Eat the covers.
 :laugh:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 06:57:53 PM
LOL! yup

Buy em books and buy em books... What do they do? Eat the covers.
 :laugh:

Do kids even know what books are anymore?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 10, 2019, 07:03:40 PM
Do kids even know what books are anymore?
Yes! Papa and Grandma have lots of books.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 07:03:51 PM
Do kids even know what books are anymore?

Mine do.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Gefn on February 10, 2019, 07:08:22 PM
I couldn’t kill another human and as for a robot, I’ve read Asimov.

Don’t think I could kill a robot either.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Gefn on February 10, 2019, 07:10:42 PM
Cherry 2000 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/fullcredits)

Bender is my favorite robot, then Robbie the Robot, then the robot from The Jetsons.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 07:16:51 PM
Mine do.
@Smokin Joe

Mine do, too. They still have covers.

I signed up for Kindle Unlimited last month. My grandson is an avid reader. As am I. Yes, I copped out. I've read a couple dozen books on my tablet since my layoff.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 07:23:36 PM
@Smokin Joe

Mine do, too. They still have covers.

I signed up for Kindle Unlimited last month. My grandson is an avid reader. As am I. Yes, I copped out. I've read a couple dozen books on my tablet since my layoff.

I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 07:26:14 PM
Bender is my favorite robot, then Robbie the Robot, then the robot from The Jetsons.

Rosie!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 07:28:21 PM
I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

Kindle books were meant for Kindles.  You would like e-paper.  I had one, and I miss it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 07:35:53 PM
I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

I bought a tablet 3 years ago. It is only in the last weeks I have been using it to read. I've gotten used to it. I read in bed mostly. Or on it. It is a Fire HD8 so the screen is about book page size. It has Blueshade so I can dim the screen. Plus I can read things like @Smokin Joe gave me links to. Posting to TBR with it sucks. Autocorrect.  It switched "looonnnggg" to "mockingbird" last try. WTH? So if I'm on TBR, it is on my desktop or laptop.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
Kindle books were meant for Kindles.  You would like e-paper.  I had one, and I miss it.

I dunno nuthin'
What little I have done, I have done with a droid tablet, and my lib is txt and pdf...  :shrug:
Might have a better experience if I followed the crowd, but it is the same as music - a TON of investment just to replace the library I already own. And I refuse to spend as much or more for electronic copy than it would cost me to buy a book used, having it tagged in a system that someone else controls...

NOPE. mp3's are stupid files that can be copied as much as needed and anywhere... Same would have to be true in books for me.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 10, 2019, 07:39:43 PM
I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

The Kindle Paperwhite reader you can turn the light completely off.  You may consider trying it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 07:42:30 PM
I dunno nuthin'
What little I have done, I have done with a droid tablet, and my lib is txt and pdf...  :shrug:
Might have a better experience if I followed the crowd, but it is the same as music - a TON of investment just to replace the library I already own. And I refuse to spend as much or more for electronic copy than it would cost me to buy a book used, having it tagged in a system that someone else controls...

NOPE. mp3's are stupid files that can be copied as much as needed and anywhere... Same would have to be true in books for me.

That is another thing. Our town library is small. I've read about everything they have I wanted to read. They don't update it much.  My used bookstore closed down last year. Another one I found wants too much for their used books.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 07:50:57 PM
I bought a tablet 3 years ago. It is only in the last weeks I have been using it to read. I've gotten used to it. I read in bed mostly. Or on it. It is a Fire HD8 so the screen is about book page size. It has Blueshade so I can dim the screen. Plus I can read things like @Smokin Joe gave me links to.

It's weird. My entire Biblical library has been converted to electronic - and it is vast. But that is research based, and done at a computer (desktop/laptop). I prefer it for research - I am not a verse based guy... I can plug in a couple words or a phrase into a search engine and voila! the verse I want is right there, not to mention all the relevant commentary, and depending upon the engine I use, will bring me every relevant thing from my entire library, not just the Bible... And I carry multiple Bibles in there too - so cross-referencing and comparison is fabulous.

Likewise coding and development...

But devotional reading, or pleasurable reading is still in the books. Largely because I don't do that sort of thing in front of a computer, and in fact do so to avoid the computer, which I am otherwise plugged into all the time.


Quote
It switched "looonnnggg" to "mockingbird" last try. WTH? So if I'm on TBR, it is on my desktop or laptop.

Yeah... Google Assistant does that crap to me all the time. She can't understand redneck.
I need an electronic assistant with two first names and a sweet Southern drawl.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 07:54:08 PM
The Kindle Paperwhite reader you can turn the light completely off.  You may consider trying it.

Do you own your book copies? Are they downloadable and can I copy multiples, or is it DRM compliant? can I pull the file over to a computer and read it, or am I committed to the platform? That stuff matters. For backup, if for no other reason.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 07:57:15 PM
That is another thing. Our town library is small. I've read about everything they have I wanted to read. They don't update it much.  My used bookstore closed down last year. Another one I found wants too much for their used books.

I am still good in that regard. I am using my father's account at the used book store, though he has been gone for near a decade. between his balance and my trade backs, I seldom have to pay much.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 07:57:57 PM
It's weird. My entire Biblical library has been converted to electronic - and it is vast. But that is research based, and done at a computer (desktop/laptop). I prefer it for research - I am not a verse based guy... I can plug in a couple words or a phrase into a search engine and voila! the verse I want is right there, not to mention all the relevant commentary, and depending upon the engine I use, will bring me every relevant thing from my entire library, not just the Bible... And I carry multiple Bibles in there too - so cross-referencing and comparison is fabulous.

Likewise coding and development...

But devotional reading, or pleasurable reading is still in the books. Largely because I don't do that sort of thing in front of a computer, and in fact do so to avoid the computer, which I am otherwise plugged into all the time.


Yeah... Google Assistant does that crap to me all the time. She can't understand redneck.
I need an electronic assistant with two first names and a sweet Southern drawl.

One thing I do know. I'll never have Alexa, or the like, in my house.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 08:08:11 PM
One thing I do know. I'll never have Alexa, or the like, in my house.

Me neither. Actually I tried Cortana out for a while (Microsoft, comes native in Win10), but it is fairly useless on the desktop. I mean, it will do sorta the same things as Google Assistant, but it is redundant and incompatible with GA... And I am using GA already.

But the phone is another thing. I can't see the dang thing, and my meat grabbers have trouble on them itty bitty screens... the only way I can use it well without having to haul out my glasses is to talk to it...

And I do - I am one of those guys with a bluetooth mike and speaker in my ear... The phone seldom leaves my pocket. I just poke the button in my ear and say

Hey google...
set an appointment
set a timer
set a reminder...
navigate to...
send a text
read incoming message
play some country music...
Call mom on her mobile

and etc.

I literally never set my schedule any other way anymore. I seldom call my common contacts any other way either. For all that, it is a remarkable tool.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 08:26:26 PM
Virtual assistants are one thing.

https://medium.com/@tjajal/distinguishing-between-narrow-ai-general-ai-and-super-ai-a4bc44172e22?source=placement_card_footer_grid---------0-60

Distinguishing between Narrow AI, General AI and Super AI

As an aside, the Chinese had to send a couple of AI "chatbots" to a reeducation camp after they started spouting "Anti-government propaganda".
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 10, 2019, 08:35:28 PM
Do you own your book copies? Are they downloadable and can I copy multiples, or is it DRM compliant? can I pull the file over to a computer and read it, or am I committed to the platform? That stuff matters. For backup, if for no other reason.

The Kindle Reader app is free, so you can put that on any computer or device with internet access and read your books.  You can download your content, but I don't know if you can do something like put it on a memory stick and transfer it.  I want to say you can't, but I could be wrong.  I think you would have to download it on any device you might want to read it on.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 10, 2019, 08:47:38 PM
@Smokin Joe

Mine do, too. They still have covers.

I signed up for Kindle Unlimited last month. My grandson is an avid reader. As am I. Yes, I copped out. I've read a couple dozen books on my tablet since my layoff.
I have a Kindle fire I take in the field with me. I can have a dozen books downloaded into it for the space of one. But, admittedly, I miss the smell, the feel, the texture of the paper, leaving nose prints to mark my place when I fall asleep...and if I ever go off the road or get caught by weather, I can't cook over a Kindle Fire.... :shrug:

Where the difference is really apparent, I have books back to the 1700s, and the feel and smell of those volumes is entirely different from the ones from the first half of the 20th century, and different yet from latter day paperbacks or hardcovers.

With my eyes changing, though, I like the scalability and back light of the screen.

>sigh< Time for new glasses, and better, brighter, reading lamps....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 10:44:05 PM
The Kindle Reader app is free, so you can put that on any computer or device with internet access and read your books.  You can download your content, but I don't know if you can do something like put it on a memory stick and transfer it.  I want to say you can't, but I could be wrong.  I think you would have to download it on any device you might want to read it on.

I will give it another whirl... IIRC, the reason I backed off is because I had no back-up means other than their cloud... And I am not really sure, but it seems to me it had to have internet in order to work, also a reason to discard it. I want to wind up with a local and distribute-able library, not beholden to a network tat may or may not be there in 10 years.  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 10:50:44 PM
I will give it another whirl... IIRC, the reason I backed off is because I had no back-up means other than their cloud... And I am not really sure, but it seems to me it had to have internet in order to work, also a reason to discard it. I want to wind up with a local and distribute-able library, not beholden to a network tat may or may not be there in 10 years.  :shrug:

There are other sources besides Amazon for E-books.  I've read non-Amazon books on my Kindle Fire, and I had all my technical manuals (PDF) on it when I was working.  It could be Kindle is only finicky about Amazon sold publications?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 02:10:15 AM
There are other sources besides Amazon for E-books.  I've read non-Amazon books on my Kindle Fire, and I had all my technical manuals (PDF) on it when I was working.  It could be Kindle is only finicky about Amazon sold publications?

Yeah... Maybe like apple's goofy-a$$ itunes... way down in the settings you can tell it to save music as mp3, But if you don't know any better, it all comes down in DRM files (.aac)... Maybe I just didn't dig around enough in it...

Likely though, it will be a droid solution... I already have a droid phone and tablet, and know how to get them talking through my local Win LAN... So I can back em up to my media library already, which is access for every device I have. So the kindle app is how that will go...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 02:42:25 AM
Yeah... Maybe like apple's goofy-a$$ itunes... way down in the settings you can tell it to save music as mp3, But if you don't know any better, it all comes down in DRM files (.aac)... Maybe I just didn't dig around enough in it...

Likely though, it will be a droid solution... I already have a droid phone and tablet, and know how to get them talking through my local Win LAN... So I can back em up to my media library already, which is access for every device I have. So the kindle app is how that will go...

I have the Droid Kindle app, it's nice.  You got that S4, right?  It worked on my S4 just fine.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 03:08:50 AM
That is another thing. Our town library is small. I've read about everything they have I wanted to read. They don't update it much.  My used bookstore closed down last year. Another one I found wants too much for their used books.

https://www.alibris.com/books (https://www.alibris.com/books)

https://www.abebooks.com/ (https://www.abebooks.com/)

Thrift Stores, Auctions, Rummage Sales....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 06:26:43 AM
I have the Droid Kindle app, it's nice.  You got that S4, right?  It worked on my S4 just fine.

nah- The S4 was a test... I got serious pretty quick with it. On a J7 Skypro now... So no worries about it working... The tablet is another story... It is getting old. But, I have a 6mo old galaxy on the bench right now with a busted screen that wouldn't boot... I got it up and saved some files off it, and the guy gave me the tablet in the deal... So I am waiting on the glass, and then I will have a nice 200 dollar tablet to play with...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 08:40:23 AM
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,351088.msg1914436.html#msg1914436 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,351088.msg1914436.html#msg1914436)

Attacking Artificial Intelligence: How To Trick The Enemy
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: thackney on February 11, 2019, 09:06:00 AM
I can't get into it. I like it because I can adjust the font, but I need the smell of the book, and turning the pages... And the light from computers tends to keep me awake.

I will admit to slacking off quite a bit since I started wearing reading glasses. My favorite venue for reading is in bed, usually upon one side or the other, which flatly does not work with glasses on.  :shrug:

Big print and the ability for night to reverse colors for black background and light words.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 09:42:38 AM
I would bet most people have the idea a human looking robot will be a self-contained AI. Thank Star Wars for that. Instead, that robot would probably have to have access or interface to an actual AI somewhere else. Take a good hard look at the fast track to 5G.

https://mdsafetech.org/problems/5g/

5G “Mobile” Communications


Technology advances aren't distributed to the general public until they have been studied by the military and alphabet agencies.

Turn the question around: Would a sentient robot sacrifice itself to save humans? Would you be willing to bet your life on it?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 10:06:22 AM
Rosie!

Yes! Couldn’t think of her name! all I know is that show premiered on the year of my birth.
@Cyber Liberty

Thanks
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 12:25:07 PM
We Need To Talk About Sentient Robots

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwid9frol7TgAhWS7Z8KHf7OChEQFjAAegQICxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fandreamorris%2F2018%2F03%2F13%2Fwe-need-to-talk-about-sentient-robots%2F&usg=AOvVaw0lyXPp-vBizuxNfeCsR7Wz (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwid9frol7TgAhWS7Z8KHf7OChEQFjAAegQICxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fandreamorris%2F2018%2F03%2F13%2Fwe-need-to-talk-about-sentient-robots%2F&usg=AOvVaw0lyXPp-vBizuxNfeCsR7Wz)

Excerpt

The implications for sentient AI.

If advanced AI systems become conscious, AI won't have to prove its autonomy. AI is designed with highly sophisticated intelligence and autonomy based on open-ended utility functions that human programmers can currently rewrite to cater to human needs and values until such a time as AI has the will to stop us. What AI will have to prove is that it is sentient. Unlike all current models of physiological life, we have no criteria for recognizing sentience in beings without biological brains and nervous systems. Many computer scientists and engineers say this simply isn't a problem–because AI is not conscious. Here's why it's still a problem:

We don't know what consciousness is (The Hard Problem).

Sentience and consciousness are often used interchangeably but there are subtle differences. Sentience is the capacity for subjective perceptions, feelings and experience. Consciousness is being aware of yourself and your surroundings. "It's the what it's like aspect of subjective experience. We all know what it's like to be conscious. It's so self-evident," says Jones.

Yet no one has ever spotted it in a brain scan or picked consciousness up with surgical forceps and studied it. We don't know its essence. The Hard Problem of consciousness is our most intimate mystery. We have no idea how awareness and experience come out of a purely physical process. No biologist, neuroscientist, philosopher or physicist is anywhere near solving The Hard Problem.

If we don't know what consciousness is, it's anyone's best guess as to what special configuration arouses awareness and how long it will be before AI wakes up . The only other intelligent beings we create that display highly sophisticated behavior are other humans. We don't know how or at what point during the development process our human creations become sentient and conscious.

Although we don't know precisely what consciousness is or how it works, we know it exists. Our moral and legal systems are based on the responsibility we have to other conscious beings. Without a rational, comprehensive and ethical set of criteria for recognizing signs of machine consciousness, we're susceptible to repeating the irreconcilable atrocities like slavery we've inflicted on other autonomous sentient beings.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 12:53:01 PM
IMO, consciousness in a robot, or any AI, isn't a goal that should EVER be under consideration.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 01:14:30 PM
IMO, consciousness in a robot, or any AI, isn't a goal that should EVER be under consideration.

I agree with that, but "consciousness" is likely to happen as a side-effect.  Definitions shift over time.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 01:26:35 PM
Big print and the ability for night to reverse colors for black background and light words.

Yes I know... All my machines do that already... Doesn't matter, btw, black light or white, I will not get tired if I am looking at a computer.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 01:42:18 PM
I agree with that, but "consciousness" is likely to happen as a side-effect.  Definitions shift over time.

I can see that. What is the algorithm for "humanity"?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 01:46:56 PM
IMO, consciousness in a robot, or any AI, isn't a goal that should EVER be under consideration.

Sentience is nonsense. Consciousness is too. The best a machine can do is mimic life.
However, it can be inhabited, which will be bad.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
I agree with that, but "consciousness" is likely to happen as a side-effect.  Definitions shift over time.

No.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 01:51:35 PM
I can see that. What is the algorithm for "humanity"?

And that part is what we should not be setting as a "goal."  When we start writing and compiling algorithms like that is when we trivialize real Humanity.  Not to mention the damage done to Spirituality.  How does one program AI to acknowledge the possibility of an existence of a higher being?  Morality?

My point would be, somebody's going to come along and declare whatever we programmed to be "sentient."  IOW, playing God, even if it requires moving the goal posts.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
Yes I know... All my machines do that already... Doesn't matter, btw, black light or white, I will not get tired if I am looking at a computer.

That's what I like about the Paperwhite, you can turn the background light completely off as long as there is light in the room.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 01:53:42 PM
No.

Not for Thee, and not for Me, but we're not in charge of the totalitarians writing the Newspeak.

Doubleplusungood.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 01:55:27 PM
Sentience is nonsense. Consciousness is too. The best a machine can do is mimic life.
However, it can be inhabited, which will be bad.

Inhabited. Two possibles.
 Upload "yourself" into a machine. This falls under the category of the tech level you will be able to afford.
 Possession by noncorporeal nonhuman entities.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 01:58:06 PM
That's what I like about the Paperwhite, you can turn the background light completely off as long as there is light in the room.

That is true, and an underappreciated fact.  I had an E-paper Kindle (pre-PaperWhite), and I really liked the lack of glare and eye-strain.  It didn't resolve images very well, but it was the next-best thing to reading text from a book.  One really has to make the investment in an E-paper or PaperWhite tablet to clearly understand the difference.

There was a commercial at the time that showed somebody reading a Kindle on a sunshiny beach. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 01:59:19 PM
Inhabited. Two possibles.
 Upload "yourself" into a machine. This falls under the category of the tech level you will be able to afford.
 Possession by noncorporeal nonhuman entities.

The machine I could afford to inhabit would probably look like Danny DeVito.   :chairbang:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 02:03:05 PM
Inhabited. Two possibles.
 Upload "yourself" into a machine. This falls under the category of the tech level you will be able to afford.

I don't think we are anywhere near capable of that...Who can map the human soul?

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Possession by noncorporeal nonhuman entities.

Intentional possession - There ya go.
Something wicked this way comes.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 02:05:04 PM
The machine I could afford to inhabit would probably look like Danny DeVito.   :chairbang:

Brag brag brag

I'd top out somewhere around Buckwheat.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 02:05:12 PM
That's what I like about the Paperwhite, you can turn the background light completely off as long as there is light in the room.

Well sorta - It cannot be off, or you would see nothing.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 02:11:04 PM
Not for Thee, and not for Me, but we're not in charge of the totalitarians writing the Newspeak.

Doubleplusungood.

Right - but the newsspeak does not inhibit the truth. Creating mechanical life is purely nonsense, in the same way a boy who has been given tinkertoys can build a car like his dad's. He may believe he can, he may brag he can, but he doesn't understand the first damn thing about it.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 02:12:32 PM
This entire premise needs to be filed under 'Ye too shall be as gods'.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 02:13:12 PM
Well sorta - It cannot be off, or you would see nothing.

That is not true.  If you turn off the back light, you don't get "nothing," you get something that looks like text on paper.  Turn it on and it looks more like a LCD monitor.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 02:20:16 PM
Right - but the newsspeak does not inhibit the truth. Creating mechanical life is purely nonsense, in the same way a boy who has been given tinkertoys can build a car like his dad's. He may believe he can, he may brag he can, but he doesn't understand the first damn thing about it.

The purpose of Newspeak was not necessarily to inhibit the truth, but to distort the language (and thought behind it) to sidestep the truth and substitute the State's "truth" in its place.  The notion of "thought crimes" is a part of that.  If the Proles spoke outside of the Newspeak, it was evidence of thinking outside of the box the State constructed, making convictions for Thought Crimes much easier.

Your definitions, and mine, don't change.  But people who have not lived the lives we have would not have that certainty, most likely.  Getting old has it's advantages, I suppose.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: XenaLee on February 11, 2019, 02:22:18 PM
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They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot

It’s an old philosophical question: if a speeding train is careening down the track, and it’s about to crush a group of injured people, would you pull a lever that would redirect it to kill just one innocent person?

Now, provocative new research puts a new twist on the thought experiment by asking people whether they’d pull the lever to kill an intelligent robot and save a person.

I would definitely kill the robot....lol.   

In fact, I confess ...that I have been known to be quite verbally abusive to the bots that answer the phones at AT&T when you are attempting to get Customer Service for a specific issue.   If they ever outlawed that practice...

I'd be a jailbird!    888mouth
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on February 11, 2019, 02:25:04 PM
The purpose of Newspeak was not necessarily to inhibit the truth, but to distort the language (and thought behind it) to sidestep the truth and substitute the State's "truth" in its place.  The notion of "thought crimes" is a part of that.  If the Proles spoke outside of the Newspeak, it was evidence of thinking outside of the box the State constructed, making convictions for Thought Crimes much easier.

Your definitions, and mine, don't change.  But people who have not lived the lives we have would not have that certainty, most likely.  Getting old has it's advantages, I suppose.

Well said @Cyber Liberty! But there are disadvantages as well i.e. we won't be around all that much longer and what we know goes with us.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 02:29:19 PM
That is not true.  If you turn off the back light, you don't get "nothing," you get something that looks like text on paper.  Turn it on and it looks more like a LCD monitor.

Yep, it doesn't display like a normal monitor.  Which also makes it nice for reading outside in very bright light. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 02:31:11 PM
I would definitely kill the robot....lol.   

In fact, I confess ...that I have been known to be quite verbally abusive to the bots that answer the phones at AT&T when you are attempting to get Customer Service for a specific issue.   If they ever outlawed that practice...

I'd be a jailbird!    888mouth

My daughter told us some talking map system app on her phone informed her she was using inappropriate language. Then it was on like donkey kong.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: XenaLee on February 11, 2019, 02:33:03 PM
Well said @Cyber Liberty! But there are disadvantages as well i.e. we won't be around all that much longer and what we know goes with us.

Which is why I advocate burying a time capsule.... with a well-thought out summary of the way things are and where they are headed and why.... illustrating your wisdom and life-experience knowledge...

in the hopes that somebody will some day find it and get a dose of knowledge that 'the state' didn't want them to have.  It may not end up doing any good in the grand scheme of things....

but who knows, really?   Your capsule writings could move someone to make a change... and/or could end up in a future museum... presuming that there are museums in that future.   :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 02:33:19 PM
That is not true.  If you turn off the back light, you don't get "nothing," you get something that looks like text on paper.  Turn it on and it looks more like a LCD monitor.

Regardless - the function of a monitor is pixels of light. The only way you can see anything is still a matter of light painted on an electric canvas. Without it, there is nothing.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
I would definitely kill the robot....lol.   


Again, this is an impossibility... You cannot kill what does not live.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 02:38:06 PM
Regardless - the function of a monitor is pixels of light. The only way you can see anything is still a matter of light painted on an electric canvas. Without it, there is nothing.

Yes, there is light, but it shines away from you instead of towards you like a normal monitor or tv.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: XenaLee on February 11, 2019, 02:38:49 PM
Again, this is an impossibility... You cannot kill what does not live.

Maybe not... but... since I'd probably be "thinking" of the bots that answer AT&T's Customer Service number...(and the bot/android in the first Alien flick)...

I'd give it the old college try!!!   22chief
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 02:43:41 PM
Which is why I advocate burying a time capsule.... with a well-thought out summary of the way things are and where they are headed and why.... illustrating your wisdom and life-experience knowledge...

in the hopes that somebody will some day find it and get a dose of knowledge that 'the state' didn't want them to have.  It may not end up doing any good in the grand scheme of things....

but who knows, really?   Your capsule writings could move someone to make a change... and/or could end up in a future museum... presuming that there are museums in that future.   :shrug:

The Great Pyramid, Stonehenge, and may even more importantly, Gobekli Tepe. All time capsules in their own way.

Written language can become indecipherable. Pile up a bunch of rocks in a place with some kind of stability. Preferably a safe distance from @RoosGirl.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 02:45:08 PM
The Great Pyramid, Stonehenge, and may even more importantly, Gobekli Tepe. All time capsules in their own way.

Written language can become indecipherable. Pile up a bunch of rocks in a place with some kind of stability. Preferably a safe distance from @RoosGirl.

Yeah, I'll steal em for my yard.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 02:49:25 PM
I would definitely kill the robot....lol.   

In fact, I confess ...that I have been known to be quite verbally abusive to the bots that answer the phones at AT&T when you are attempting to get Customer Service for a specific issue.   If they ever outlawed that practice...

I'd be a jailbird!    888mouth

 :silly:

I thought I was the only person who does that.  I usually go off on the robots that call ME, I didn't ask for that conversation.  It's as if they raped my ears....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: XenaLee on February 11, 2019, 02:53:31 PM
:silly:

I thought I was the only person who does that.  I usually go off on the robots that call ME, I didn't ask for that conversation.  It's as if they raped my ears....

Lol.... I'm so glad I'm not the only one!  I also like to vent to the robocallers about certain issues that are bothering me on that particular day.  What are they gonna do?  Hang up?   Perfect!

I think of it as cheap/free therapy....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
Again, this is an impossibility... You cannot kill what does not live.

This sounds like an argument for abortion, just sayin'.

My argument is to never let it reach the level that it should ever become a question.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 02:58:15 PM
Well said @Cyber Liberty! But there are disadvantages as well i.e. we won't be around all that much longer and what we know goes with us.

Sad but true, @Bigun.  Thus it has been trough History, which is why there are many places in the UK where the language has changed to the point of becoming unintelligible to us Americans (and other local Brits as well).  I had a Scientist friend where I worked until last year who was an Aussie, and he had a good handle on the evolution of the English Language.  We Colonists tended to hold on to the original language moreso than the native Brits.  It seems counter-intuitive.

The key point I took from those conversations is that it has been the Brits, not the Colonials, who created the differences in our English Language.  "We are separated by a common language," and the increasing separation is inevitable.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 02:59:41 PM
Yeah, I'll steal em for my yard.

Stealing them isn't the issue. Losing them forever in the sands of time you call your backyard is. :laugh:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
This sounds like an argument for abortion, just sayin'.

My argument is to never let it reach the level that it should ever become a question.

I highlighted that sentence because it's one of the most important things in this thread.  Kudos, @bigheadfred!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:06:36 PM
Regardless - the function of a monitor is pixels of light. The only way you can see anything is still a matter of light painted on an electric canvas. Without it, there is nothing.

Do you recall the Liquid Crystal Displays on 1970-era wristwatches that did not emit light, but rather reflected it?  It's like that.  It looks like print on a paper.  You really need to hold and see one to appreciate the differences.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 03:10:37 PM
This sounds like an argument for abortion, just sayin'.

Nope. The baby is alive, from conception, by any argument. 

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My argument is to never let it reach the level that it should ever become a question.

It cannot become a question. It is a machine. It has no soul and can have no soul. It is not alive, and will never be alive.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 03:16:02 PM
Yeah, I'll steal em for my yard.

ROCKS? You are stealing rocks?
*boggled*

Heck, take your pickup on vacation up into Appalachia - I'd wager they'd GIVE you all the rocks you could handle.  Y'all come on up here and have all the rocks you want.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 03:18:43 PM
Do you recall the Liquid Crystal Displays on 1970-era wristwatches that did not emit light, but rather reflected it?  It's like that.  It looks like print on a paper.  You really need to hold and see one to appreciate the differences.

It reminds me a lot of my old 386 black and white laptop display.  :laugh:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
It reminds me a lot of my old 386 black and white laptop display.  :laugh:

Yes, actually it does.  I had one too.  Actually, it was a 286 running MSDOS on a LCD monitor, but the comparison is accurate.   :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:32:14 PM
ROCKS? You are stealing rocks?
*boggled*

Heck, take your pickup on vacation up into Appalachia - I'd wager they'd GIVE you all the rocks you could handle.  Y'all come on up here and have all the rocks you want.

 :pondering:

There is a good reason it costs so much to buy good rock in Florida, and it's not the acquisition expense.  Dragging a pick-um-up truck loaded with rocks from WV to FL ain't cheap, especially if you have a 3/4 ton Doolie burning Diesel.   :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 03:39:43 PM
:pondering:

There is a good reason it costs so much to buy good rock in Florida, and it's not the acquisition expense.  Dragging a pick-um-up truck loaded with rocks from WV to FL ain't cheap, especially if you have a 3/4 ton Doolie burning Diesel.   :shrug:

Five hundred bucks for a yard and an eighth of slate chips? That dually can haul 5 yards, and the diesel won't care... Hell, put a trailer on the back and haul sommore. At that rate, considering that product or it's like is maybe 10 bucks a yard up in the hills, you'd pay for the dang vacation.

EDIT to add - Dually is always 1T...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 03:42:00 PM
ROCKS? You are stealing rocks?
*boggled*

Heck, take your pickup on vacation up into Appalachia - I'd wager they'd GIVE you all the rocks you could handle. Y'all come on up here and have all the rocks you want.

The thought of @RoosGirl coming for my rocks terrifies me.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 03:47:59 PM
The thought of @RoosGirl coming for my rocks terrifies me.

 :silly:

Lightweight.
 :tongue2:

Any decent cowgirl ain't any different except Roos is more polite...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:55:24 PM
Five hundred bucks for a yard and an eighth of slate chips? That dually can haul 5 yards, and the diesel won't care... Hell, put a trailer on the back and haul sommore. At that rate, considering that product or it's like is maybe 10 bucks a yard up in the hills, you'd pay for the dang vacation.

EDIT to add - Dually is always 1T...

I didn't know that, primarily because I have no interest in that vehicle for my current needs.  That may change if I get something that needs towing, like a boat or a fifth-wheel. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:56:34 PM
:silly:

Lightweight.
 :tongue2:

Any decent cowgirl ain't any different except Roos is more polite...

Hmmmm... :pondering:

No, I think it's time for an unspoken thought. 333cleo
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 04:00:39 PM
Hmmmm... :pondering:

No, I think it's time for an unspoken thought. 333cleo

She has that sweet Southern charm...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 04:02:34 PM
The thought of @RoosGirl coming for my rocks terrifies me.

You and every other man except @roamer_1 apparently.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 04:03:47 PM
:silly:

Lightweight.
 :tongue2:

Any decent cowgirl ain't any different except Roos is more polite...

I am rather polite.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
I didn't know that, primarily because I have no interest in that vehicle for my current needs.  That may change if I get something that needs towing, like a boat or a fifth-wheel.

I have always wanted me a Cowboy Cadillac. Had a few, but always flipped em rather than keeping em... 1T dually 4x4 for me has always been fitted with a dumping flatbed and ladder racks...

But you are out in the country now son... you better get you a pickup of some kind, or folks are gonna look at you funny. And it prolly needs gun racks in the back window - jussayin.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 04:06:16 PM
I am rather polite.

Your kindness is only exceeded by your good looks and gentle manners.
 happy77
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Gefn on February 11, 2019, 04:08:08 PM
Bender wants to kill all humans
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 04:11:37 PM
I have always wanted me a Cowboy Cadillac. Had a few, but always flipped em rather than keeping em... 1T dually 4x4 for me has always been fitted with a dumping flatbed and ladder racks...

But you are out in the country now son... you better get you a pickup of some kind, or folks are gonna look at you funny. And it prolly needs gun racks in the back window - jussayin.

I'm in a city of about 20,000 retirees like me (with a crapton of desert mountains around).  My greatest difficulty lately has been finding disabled parking at the Walmart for our Hybrid Escape.  That said...there are a lot of pickups around here. 

This being AZ, the "Easy Rider" gun racks are assumed...but not for trips to Casinos over the bridge to Nevada.  They are not amused by AZ gun laws. 888mouth
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 04:13:02 PM
Bender wants to kill all humans

I probably would too, if I lived in a closet.  I think Bender's pretty even-tempered for an Automaton.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: RoosGirl on February 11, 2019, 04:15:04 PM
Your kindness is only exceeded by your good looks and gentle manners.
 happy77

Bet your ass on that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 04:24:55 PM
I'm in a city of about 20,000 retirees like me (with a crapton of desert mountains around).  My greatest difficulty lately has been finding disabled parking at the Walmart for our Hybrid Escape.  That said...there are a lot of pickups around here. 

This being AZ, the "Easy Rider" gun racks are assumed...but not for trips to Casinos over the bridge to Nevada.  They are not amused by AZ gun laws. 888mouth

It don't matter at the Wallyworld. It matters at the boneyard, the parts house, the hardware store, the lumber yard, the antique store, or the diner... and anywhere past the city limits. If you want the good guy discount, you've gotta be a good ol boy.

Don't buy a new one... Buy an older model in good shape. I have never paid more than 3500 bucks for a truck in my whole life (and that was only once). Fix it up and make a whole bunch of friends around town in the process.

Besides, if you ever do put your butt in a pickup, you won't go back. No one ever does.
I know it don't make sense to you now, but it will when you do.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 04:27:00 PM
Bet your ass on that.

Damn well right.
 :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 04:40:55 PM
It don't matter at the Wallyworld. It matters at the boneyard, the parts house, the hardware store, the lumber yard, the antique store, or the diner... and anywhere past the city limits. If you want the good guy discount, you've gotta be a good ol boy.

Don't buy a new one... Buy an older model in good shape. I have never paid more than 3500 bucks for a truck in my whole life (and that was only once). Fix it up and make a whole bunch of friends around town in the process.

Besides, if you ever do put your butt in a pickup, you won't go back. No one ever does.
I know it don't make sense to you now, but it will when you do.

I'm listening at ya.  I'm not a city boy at heart, I was raised in the farm country of Southern Michigan.  "Deep in the palm of the Mitt," so to speak.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
Bender wants to kill all humans

Sooo....still couldn't kill a robot? All you would have to do is take out the batteries.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 05:45:08 PM
Sentience is nonsense. Consciousness is too. The best a machine can do is mimic life.
However, it can be inhabited, which will be bad.
So, who are the experts who will decide if a machine is sentient?

It sure seems like they can't even decide when human life begins or are hobbled in their efforts by considerations which deny them the will or ability to do so.

IF the conflicts of interest are so strong, despite their subtlety, that we can't define consciousness and sentience within our own species, how in the name of all Creation are they going to get this one right?

With machines, and increasingly with humans, the old acronym applies: GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). Without a scrupulously honest appraisal of what constitutes either sentience or consciousness, without the ability to define those parameters which decide the presence or absence of either, it is readily apparent that there are conflicting interests which place the definitions of when "life" begins, and when life ends at arbitrary milestones, milestones subject to other influences, be those the removal of inconvenient human organisms through 'procedures' which relieve those making the decision of long term commitment and responsibility, or the harvesting of parts for acclaim and even profit (or, for some, and end to expense).

If we can't define that which we ourselves possess, in spite of those conflicts of interest, how will we be able to define such in another species, in a machine, or  even in an alien life form? --Especially if we are unable to communicate with it.

It seems the definitions hinge on the ability, not to think or experience, not to synthesize new thought from old thought and new data, but on the ability to communicate those thoughts.

If my speech was instead in tones which could not be detected by the human ear, or in light forms not visible to the human eye, would I be considered sentient? No. In that there is a typical problem in any communication, that first the data (for want of a better word) must be sent, but also, for communication to occur, it must be received (and understood).

We have arbitrarily defined consciousness as the ability to receive and react to stimuli, but if we do not perceive the reaction, we deny it is present. In the above instances of conflict of interest, such reactions may be written off as mere instinct or reflex, and not a sign of consciousness or sentience.
How many people who have been arbitrarily deemed to be 'brain dead" or in a persistent vegetative state who have eventually revived enough to be able to communicate related that they were aware of the things going on around them, what was said and done, but were unable to communicate that?
Conscious? well, yes, but not so the people around them were aware. Sentient? again, yes, but unable to communicate that. Some consider that a developing child (in utero) will feel no pain, while others play music and read to their growing baby, again, in utero.

Before we go looking for a machine that thinks, perhaps we'd best define what makes our own species conscious or sentient, those who will create, program, and define that machine.

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Ours is an age which is proud of any machine which thinks, and suspicious of any man who tries to.
Howard Mumford Jones
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 06:04:27 PM
Which is why I advocate burying a time capsule.... with a well-thought out summary of the way things are and where they are headed and why.... illustrating your wisdom and life-experience knowledge...

in the hopes that somebody will some day find it and get a dose of knowledge that 'the state' didn't want them to have.  It may not end up doing any good in the grand scheme of things....

but who knows, really?   Your capsule writings could move someone to make a change... and/or could end up in a future museum... presuming that there are museums in that future.   :shrug:
Or, written in cursive, be completely indecipherable and used for toilet paper or to start fires...

It is hard to say how many times humanity has had to reinvent the wheel, and even our own view of the past is coloured by Darwinian prejudice that we are the most 'advanced' humans to exist.

Every so often, humans burn the books, tear stuff down, and start over.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 06:09:56 PM
ROCKS? You are stealing rocks?
*boggled*

Heck, take your pickup on vacation up into Appalachia - I'd wager they'd GIVE you all the rocks you could handle.  Y'all come on up here and have all the rocks you want.
Oh, cool! We're short a few mountains after the glaciers went through last time.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 06:12:52 PM
I probably would too, if I lived in a closet.  I think Bender's pretty even-tempered for an Automaton.
Which raises another question. If machines could become sentient, then, being treated like machines, would they know resentment? Being kept in a closet, would they go insane?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 06:38:32 PM
2017-Days Of The Future Passed @roamer_1  @Smokin Joe

Meet Sophia: The first robot declared a citizen by Saudi Arabia

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Ox6H64yu8#)

There are more videos out there. I really like the description of Blockchain.


Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 06:49:24 PM
This company wants to grow A.I. by using blockchain

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/17/hanson-robotics-singularitynet-integrate-blockchain-and-artificial-intelligence.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/17/hanson-robotics-singularitynet-integrate-blockchain-and-artificial-intelligence.html)


Do we need humanoid-looking robots? 
10:54 PM ET Sun, 17 Sept 2017 | 09:40

In the next phase of artificial intelligence development, the firm behind Sophia the robot — who once said she wanted to destroy humans — is integrating blockchain into its work.

Blockchain....hmmmm...

snip

"It's a decentralized, open market for AIs in the cloud so anyone who develops an AI can put it into the SingularityNET, wrap it in our cryptocurrency-based smart contract and then the AI they put there can help to serve the intelligence of robots like Sophia or any other robots or any software programs that need AI," he added.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 07:08:34 PM
So, who are the experts who will decide if a machine is sentient?

More to the point, it literally cannot be sentient.

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IF the conflicts of interest are so strong, despite their subtlety, that we can't define consciousness and sentience within our own species, how in the name of all Creation are they going to get this one right?

by definition, they cannot get it right - But they can create a lively 'image of the beast', having no ingrained morals nor a conscience to guide those morals.

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With machines, and increasingly with humans, the old acronym applies: GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). Without a scrupulously honest appraisal of what constitutes either sentience or consciousness, without the ability to define those parameters which decide the presence or absence of either, it is readily apparent that there are conflicting interests which place the definitions of when "life" begins, and when life ends at arbitrary milestones, milestones subject to other influences, be those the removal of inconvenient human organisms through 'procedures' which relieve those making the decision of long term commitment and responsibility, or the harvesting of parts for acclaim and even profit (or, for some, and end to expense).

And they will forever fail, as the thing that makes sentience is the thing they deny. The soul. There is even a fair argument that !you! are not really here - That your actual being lies beyond the veil, unaware, operating your meat sack by remote. If that is indeed true, how then can sentience be measured at all, as it resides beyond measurement, in dimensions unheard of.

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If we can't define that which we ourselves possess, in spite of those conflicts of interest, how will we be able to define such in another species, in a machine, or  even in an alien life form? --Especially if we are unable to communicate with it.

I would offer the horse, the mule, and the dog in rebuttal - Three old friends - If one cannot see and somewhat understand their sentience, one has never been in close proximity for an extended period.  happy77

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It seems the definitions hinge on the ability, not to think or experience, not to synthesize new thought from old thought and new data, but on the ability to communicate those thoughts.

If my speech was instead in tones which could not be detected by the human ear, or in light forms not visible to the human eye, would I be considered sentient? No. In that there is a typical problem in any communication, that first the data (for want of a better word) must be sent, but also, for communication to occur, it must be received (and understood).

I think that, provided that one can observe, that sentience is not that hard to find... I told a story a while back about getting stuck on top of a mountain range with my dog - I won't recount that, but the gist is that I could readily observe his peace and appreciation of the sun setting across the top of countless ranges... That appreciation of beauty was unmistakable.

A wolf bitch that allows and encourages a man to rescue her pup, fallen halfway down a cliff...
A cow elephant that stands by and lets men rescue her calf, mired in mud... and the appreciation given upon success in both instances...

But the machine is forever a programmed construct that may imitate, but cannot know - it is a machine. it has no soul.

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We have arbitrarily defined consciousness as the ability to receive and react to stimuli, but if we do not perceive the reaction, we deny it is present. In the above instances of conflict of interest, such reactions may be written off as mere instinct or reflex, and not a sign of consciousness or sentience.
How many people who have been arbitrarily deemed to be 'brain dead" or in a persistent vegetative state who have eventually revived enough to be able to communicate related that they were aware of the things going on around them, what was said and done, but were unable to communicate that?
Conscious? well, yes, but not so the people around them were aware. Sentient? again, yes, but unable to communicate that. Some consider that a developing child (in utero) will feel no pain, while others play music and read to their growing baby, again, in utero.

Yes, quite.
There are more things, Horatio...  :beer:

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Before we go looking for a machine that thinks, perhaps we'd best define what makes our own species conscious or sentient, those who will create, program, and define that machine.

That would even then be presumptuous, as we can only observe what we can, and not what lies beyond. And we do know there is a beyond.

Good post.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 07:10:31 PM
This company wants to grow A.I. by using blockchain

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/17/hanson-robotics-singularitynet-integrate-blockchain-and-artificial-intelligence.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/17/hanson-robotics-singularitynet-integrate-blockchain-and-artificial-intelligence.html)


Do we need humanoid-looking robots? 
10:54 PM ET Sun, 17 Sept 2017 | 09:40

In the next phase of artificial intelligence development, the firm behind Sophia the robot — who once said she wanted to destroy humans — is integrating blockchain into its work.

Blockchain....hmmmm...

snip

"It's a decentralized, open market for AIs in the cloud so anyone who develops an AI can put it into the SingularityNET, wrap it in our cryptocurrency-based smart contract and then the AI they put there can help to serve the intelligence of robots like Sophia or any other robots or any software programs that need AI," he added.

All for nothing. Unplug it and it is gone.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 07:35:52 PM
All for nothing. Unplug it and it is gone.

You know better than that.

They have no interest in unplugging it. Goertzel is out there. I've seen him on other vids.

Like Geordie Rose.

Geordie Rose Warns DEMONS Are Coming - Full Talk (Kindred A.I.)

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0y-k9PVW7E#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 10:57:54 PM
2017-Days Of The Future Passed @roamer_1  @Smokin Joe

Meet Sophia: The first robot declared a citizen by Saudi Arabia

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Ox6H64yu8#)

There are more videos out there. I really like the description of Blockchain.
Just imagine what that could do for the future of suicide bombers. 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 10:58:51 PM
Ok. Did some reading about Descartes and Dualism. Mind\Body.

Try a simple test. When they reach the next level--AGI, find out if it can do remote viewing.

Then do the same with ASI.

@Smokin Joe  @roamer_1
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 11:30:02 PM
@roamer_1 I get your point about horses, mules, and dogs, even though I haven't had any experience with mules. Yes, they can communicate (If you can receive their message), through posture and "vocalizations" and actions, and if you understand them, they make their likes, dislikes, desires, and contentment known.  :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 09:17:07 AM
If you upload AI to the cloud, how do you just "pull the plug" on it?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 09:52:31 AM
If you upload AI to the cloud, how do you just "pull the plug" on it?

Pull the plug on the servers?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 10:55:58 AM
Pull the plug on the servers?

Like on the whole damned thing? No more internet. Let's do it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Gefn on February 12, 2019, 10:59:35 AM
Like on the whole damned thing? No more internet. Let's do it.

I’d love to go back to the 70s where computers really didn’t exist. I did my best writing on my old IBM selectic typewriter

And robots were in science fiction like Bradbury and Asimov.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 10:59:55 AM
Like on the whole damned thing? No more internet. Let's do it.

Yeah, you have a point.  I'm sure if plugs get pulled on the specific servers containing the AI software, it could copy itself to other servers...most hacker viruses already do that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Gefn on February 12, 2019, 11:01:28 AM
Yeah, you have a point.  I'm sure if plugs get pulled on the specific servers containing the AI software, it could copy itself to other servers...most hacker viruses already do that.

You know our kids would be healthier , they would play outside, and the only electronic games they would play would be at the arcade

Remember when Pong cameout?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 11:02:54 AM
You know our kids would be healthier , they would play outside, and the only electronic games they would play would be at the arcade

Remember when Pong cameout?

Pepperidge Farm remembers, and so do I.  I thought at the time this was going to be trouble.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: EdJames on February 12, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
You know our kids would be healthier , they would play outside, and the only electronic games they would play would be at the arcade

Remember when Pong cameout?
Heck, a lot of adults would be healthier too!!

I get some kind of screen time report on my phone once a week, I am always happy to see it tell me that my screen time has gone down.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 11:17:12 AM
Yeah, you have a point.  I'm sure if plugs get pulled on the specific servers containing the AI software, it could copy itself to other servers...most hacker viruses already do that.

The power grid is probably one of the most vulnerable systems around. I'd like to see what the hierarchy is going to be when it comes to deployment of AI systems.

The only problem I have with AI is trying to humanize it.

The use of it in health care could make for huge changes for people with handicaps. I don't want to see it come to the point where a human is the handicap.

Da Vinci, here it comes.

A Fleshy New Humanoid Sketches You, Mimics Your Facial Expressions

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiFxNvhy7bgAhWHslQKHR0JDvoQxfQBMAB6BAgAEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffuturism.com%2Fthe-byte%2Frobot-draw-paint-engineered-arts-ai-da&usg=AOvVaw0Myg97D49KgCXL_Og-AUUB (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiFxNvhy7bgAhWHslQKHR0JDvoQxfQBMAB6BAgAEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffuturism.com%2Fthe-byte%2Frobot-draw-paint-engineered-arts-ai-da&usg=AOvVaw0Myg97D49KgCXL_Og-AUUB)

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
POP. SCIENCE This may be the friendly robot face you see before you die

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,348953.msg1898228.html#msg1898228 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,348953.msg1898228.html#msg1898228)

Hat tip to @rangerrebew
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
@roamer_1 I get your point about horses, mules, and dogs, even though I haven't had any experience with mules. Yes, they can communicate (If you can receive their message), through posture and "vocalizations" and actions, and if you understand them, they make their likes, dislikes, desires, and contentment known.  :beer:

richman/poorman

The Ass Eating Thistles

An Ass laden with very choice provisions, which he was carrying in harvest-time to the field, for the entertainment of his master and the reapers, stopped by the way to eat a large and strong Thistle that grew by the roadside.” Many people would wonder,” said he, “that with such delicate viands within reach, I do not touch them; but to me this bitter and prickly Thistle is more savoury and relishing than anything else in the world.”
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 04:24:09 PM
If you upload AI to the cloud, how do you just "pull the plug" on it?


It cannot survive IN the cloud. It has to be on a server somewhere... or multiple servers..
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 12, 2019, 05:39:04 PM

It cannot survive IN the cloud. It has to be on a server somewhere... or multiple servers..

A truly advanced AI could replicate on it's own like a virus, in a peer-to-peer fashion.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 06:12:37 PM

It cannot survive IN the cloud. It has to be on a server somewhere... or multiple servers..

Gotcha. But you know anyone who has the means is racing for that god in the machine.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 06:32:10 PM
A truly advanced AI could replicate on it's own like a virus, in a peer-to-peer fashion.

Doesn't even need to be advanced.  Hackers writing viruses and trojans have been making them self-replicating for as long as there have been viruses and trojans.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 07:00:31 PM
A truly advanced AI could replicate on it's own like a virus, in a peer-to-peer fashion.

right - But like a virus, it can be eradicated, or guarded against.. The idea that once it gets in the cloud, it can live there is rather silly.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 07:07:08 PM
Gotcha. But you know anyone who has the means is racing for that god in the machine.

Oh, you can bet the ranch I know that. But that is not how it will go.

You will be enslaved by your conveniences. The easy path, the lesser evil. Just like it is now easier for me to say, "Hey Google - Call @bigheadfred ," instead of looking up the number. Funny that... I used to remember maybe a couple hundred phone numbers in my head... Now that I am so electronically plugged in, I remember none. And so it goes. That is how they will get you.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 07:11:39 PM
Doesn't even need to be advanced.  Hackers writing viruses and trojans have been making them self-replicating for as long as there have been viruses and trojans.

Yes, but because of that, most everywhere is hardened against that behavior... Again, releasing AI to the cloud meaning it can't be eradicated is a false idea.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
right - But like a virus, it can be eradicated, or guarded against.. The idea that once it gets in the cloud, it can live there is rather silly.

My bad.


(https://i.imgur.com/wnplhU2.jpg)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: ABX on February 12, 2019, 07:23:15 PM
(http://www.relatably.com/m/img/why-not-both-meme/8938506.jpg)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 07:31:12 PM
Yes, but because of that, most everywhere is hardened against that behavior... Again, releasing AI to the cloud meaning it can't be eradicated is a false idea.

"Cloud" as been bandied about so much over the last decade that non-techies think it's some huge data operation literally in the atmosphere.  All it really means "some server in a remote location."
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 07:43:10 PM
Oh, you can bet the ranch I know that. But that is not how it will go.

You will be enslaved by your conveniences. The easy path, the lesser evil. Just like it is now easier for me to say, "Hey Google - Call @bigheadfred ," instead of looking up the number. Funny that... I used to remember maybe a couple hundred phone numbers in my head... Now that I am so electronically plugged in, I remember none. And so it goes. That is how they will get you.

I was watching a vid yesterday that had a chart showing how clinging to material things led you down. I'm not going to turn this into a religion thread so I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 07:46:58 PM
"Cloud" as been bandied about so much over the last decade that non-techies think it's some huge data operation literally in the atmosphere.  All it really means "some server in a remote location."

I don't really think of it as a "cloud". I've always thought of it as a hub. A data collection center. Like that huge one they have in Utah. Digis.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 07:47:45 PM
"Cloud" as been bandied about so much over the last decade that non-techies think it's some huge data operation literally in the atmosphere.  All it really means "some server in a remote location."

Right... That is what I mean... And it is actually a return to server/client rather than distributed networking. If you are logging onto your machine with a microsoft account, you are in a client/server relationship, Just like in the good ol days.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 07:53:24 PM
I was watching a vid yesterday that had a chart showing how clinging to material things led you down. I'm not going to turn this into a religion thread so I'll leave it at that.

It is true though, and has been happening since indoor plumbing, through washing machines, and automobiles.... now most people are absolutely beholden to the system, and cannot get away. They don't know how.

This is just a refinement of that.

It is a hard, hard choice to unplug. It is easy to go along. And that is how the mark of the beast is delivered. Not by force, but by comfort and popularity.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: EdJames on February 12, 2019, 08:04:25 PM
It is true though, and has been happening since indoor plumbing, through washing machines, and automobiles.... now most people are absolutely beholden to the system, and cannot get away. They don't know how.

This is just a refinement of that.

It is a hard, hard choice to unplug. It is easy to go along. And that is how the mark of the beast is delivered. Not by force, but by comfort and popularity.

Indeed.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 08:05:38 PM
I looked up Singularity.NET to see what they are about. You computer gurus can figure it out better than I can.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi9s6fbvrfgAhUoj1QKHQGdDxIQFjACegQICBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsingularitynet.io%2Fjobs%2F&usg=AOvVaw05f6e0sASNFzDJ3BNsXHpt (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi9s6fbvrfgAhUoj1QKHQGdDxIQFjACegQICBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsingularitynet.io%2Fjobs%2F&usg=AOvVaw05f6e0sASNFzDJ3BNsXHpt)

Ben Goertzal-The Future of A.I.

Talking about how they are trying to measure consciousness in AI. With Sophia. Open cog.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKtYAF6VPsg#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 08:09:39 PM
It is true though, and has been happening since indoor plumbing, through washing machines, and automobiles.... now most people are absolutely beholden to the system, and cannot get away. They don't know how.

This is just a refinement of that.

It is a hard, hard choice to unplug. It is easy to go along. And that is how the mark of the beast is delivered. Not by force, but by comfort and popularity.

My grandma was telling us about when she first got a washing machine and how her shirt got caught in the wringer. Scared her bad. She said it almost got a body part. She wasn't kidding.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: GtHawk on February 12, 2019, 08:15:15 PM
My grandma was telling us about when she first got a washing machine and how her shirt got caught in the wringer. Scared her bad. She said it almost got a body part. She wasn't kidding.
I remember my brother saying put your fingers here and then turning the crank on the ringer, hurt like hell! My brother always was a dick!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 08:18:55 PM
My grandma was telling us about when she first got a washing machine and how her shirt got caught in the wringer. Scared her bad. She said it almost got a body part. She wasn't kidding.

But all the same, she didn't go back to the wash tub, did she?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
(http://www.relatably.com/m/img/why-not-both-meme/8938506.jpg)

It isn't a question to me.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 08:26:00 PM
But all the same, she didn't go back to the wash tub, did she?

I can't remember that. I do remember her always yelling at us grand kids to stay the hell out of the Gravy Train.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 08:37:03 PM
I can't remember that. I do remember her always yelling at us grand kids to stay the hell out of the Gravy Train.

It is pretty good on a cold winter's day... Like cereal, but with gravy.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 08:42:12 PM
It is pretty good on a cold winter's day... Like cereal, but with gravy.

A pocketful was a nice snack when one was out adventuring around their ranch. A lot less greasy than a pocketful of tater tots, too.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 08:46:38 PM
A pocketful was a nice snack when one was out adventuring around their ranch. A lot less greasy than a pocketful of tater tots, too.

Yep. And it helps to stretch out the party-mix.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 08:55:11 PM
Yep. And it helps to stretch out the party-mix.

The only party-mix I saw at my grandparents is when grandpa invited friends over to sample his new batch of shine.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 08:57:24 PM
The only party-mix I saw at my grandparents is when grandpa invited friends over to sample his new batch of shine.

That reminds me... I need to make an order.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 09:05:34 PM
That reminds me... I need to make an order.

I don't know if I miss those days I missed back when I missed days.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 09:12:47 PM
I don't know if I miss those days I missed back when I missed days.

It ain't like that... I just keep 4 quarts in the cupboard for medicinal purposes. Though I am down to one full quart left... I have needed some medicine lately.  :whistle:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 09:17:08 PM
Now you got me wondering if I had an AI interface in my head if it could convince me I didn't have a hangover.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 09:29:17 PM
Now you got me wondering if I had an AI interface in my head if it could convince me I didn't have a hangover.

Not likely. Reality bites...
The hair of the dog that bit you...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 09:35:56 PM
Not likely. Reality bites...
The hair of the dog that bit you...

Hmmm...still wondering. AI implants that could stimulate or counteract certain functions concerning the BBB-Blood Brain Barrier.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 09:38:03 PM
Hmmm...still wondering. AI implants that could stimulate or counteract certain functions concerning the BBB-Blood Brain Barrier.

I will never know. I will take the consequences of abusing myself over the implanting of anything.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
I will never know. I will take the consequences of abusing myself over the implanting of anything.

 :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 12, 2019, 10:03:46 PM
Chefs and truck drivers beware: AI is coming for your jobs

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349125.msg1899460.html#msg1899460 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349125.msg1899460.html#msg1899460)

Hat tip to @rangerrebew
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: thackney on February 13, 2019, 07:46:32 AM
I can't remember that. I do remember her always yelling at us grand kids to stay the hell out of the Gravy Train.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71B5-Z5SZyL._SX679_.jpg)

She had to tell y'all that?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 13, 2019, 09:20:05 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71B5-Z5SZyL._SX679_.jpg)

She had to tell y'all that?

Thank you for this. It brings up, or into, the definition of consciousness.

Are you going to eat that? As an affirmation.

Are you going to eat that? As a condemnation.

What is it that makes you, you?

The long Wikipedia article:

Consciousness - Wikipedia

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness

A researcher's POV:

The real problem

https://aeon.co/essays/the-hard-problem-of-consciousness-is-a-distraction-from-the-real-one
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 10:21:05 AM
Thank you for this. It brings up, or into, the definition of consciousness.

Are you going to eat that? As an affirmation.

Are you going to eat that? As a condemnation.

What is it that makes you, you?

The long Wikipedia article:

Consciousness - Wikipedia

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness

A researcher's POV:

The real problem

https://aeon.co/essays/the-hard-problem-of-consciousness-is-a-distraction-from-the-real-one

I still won't eat dog, like the previous Preezy.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 13, 2019, 03:22:12 PM
I still won't eat dog, like the previous Preezy.

My bro says dog is ok as long as it is well done. Says it is better than rat on a stick.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 03:25:49 PM
My bro says dog is ok as long as it is well done. Says it is better than rat on a stick.

I've had a lot of coyote. It's good eating.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 03:27:11 PM
My bro says dog is ok as long as it is well done. Says it is better than rat on a stick.

Obastard said in his crappy book that dog is more tender than snake.   :shrug:

I ate dog, and it was tough.  I also ate snake and it was tougher.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 03:28:01 PM
I've had a lot of coyote. It's good eating.

Did you need to use a pressure cooker for that?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 13, 2019, 03:31:00 PM
I've had a lot of coyote. It's good eating.

Grain fed or free range?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 03:31:07 PM
Did you need to use a pressure cooker for that?

Nope. Soak it in beer for a few hours, shove it on a stick and leave it over a fire for a while...
Like all wild game, you can't over cook it., Just enough or it will get tough. shoot, even venison is that way.  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 03:32:48 PM
Grain fed or free range?

Beats me. They was in my traps, so I ate em.
No more. Not kosher. Dunno if I could survive being a kosher trapper.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 03:33:07 PM
Nope. Soak it in beer for a few hours, shove it on a stick and leave it over a fire for a while...
Like all wild game, you can't over cook it., Just enough or it will get tough. shoot, even venison is that way.  :shrug:

Yote on a Spit!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 03:35:56 PM
Yote on a Spit!

I've ate just about everything in these woods, just that way. There ain't hardly a thing you could mention that lives up here that I ain't ate at least a time or two.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on February 13, 2019, 03:36:59 PM
I probably have unknowingly eaten dog incorporated in a meal aboard a workboat in the Persian Gulf years ago run by Philipinos and it didn't kill me.

Wouldn't choose it if it were a menu item.
 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 13, 2019, 03:42:03 PM
Nope. Soak it in beer for a few hours, shove it on a stick and leave it over a fire for a while...
Like all wild game, you can't over cook it., Just enough or it will get tough. shoot, even venison is that way.  :shrug:

I've had pronghorn antelope where there was nothing you could do to it to make it edible. The best antelope are the ones feeding around fields in the early midmorn. Catch them completely unaware, shoot them in the head, get the hide off ASAP, then cooled down, ASAP. A startled antelope is instantly infused with adrenaline. If you let it get to running then let it run and try again another day.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 03:43:39 PM
I've ate just about everything in these woods, just that way. There ain't hardly a thing you could mention that lives up here that I ain't ate at least a time or two.

Escargot?   :terror:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: GtHawk on February 13, 2019, 04:13:21 PM
A pocketful was a nice snack when one was out adventuring around their ranch. A lot less greasy than a pocketful of tater tots, too.
Can't say I ever tried the gravy train, didn't know anyone that bought it, but those little dog milk bone biscuits were pretty good, cleaned your teeth too.(http://i67.tinypic.com/hs0tb8.jpg)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 04:28:00 PM
Can't say I ever tried the gravy train, didn't know anyone that bought it, but those little dog milk bone biscuits were pretty good, cleaned your teeth too.(http://i67.tinypic.com/hs0tb8.jpg)

I like the ones they give out at the bank. Except the green ones. Chewy don't like em either.  :whistle:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 04:30:58 PM
Escargot?   :terror:

Now, we ain't got much for snails. Do beetle larvae count? We've got some big as your thumb that you can find in rotted stumps... You can usually find a mess of em... enough to cover the bottom of a bush pot... Fry em up in there with some butter... Mighty fine.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 13, 2019, 04:38:47 PM
I like the ones they give out at the bank. Except the green ones. Chewy don't like em either.  :whistle:

The green ones are made of people.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 04:42:32 PM
The green ones are made of people.

Well they taste like ass.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 13, 2019, 04:44:04 PM
Well they taste like ass.
Seriously? You didn't think they'd use the prime cuts, did you?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 04:48:05 PM
Seriously? You didn't think they'd use the prime cuts, did you?

Well, mule, on the other hand... Does not taste like ass.
Go figger.  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 13, 2019, 04:49:35 PM
Well, mule, on the other hand... Does not taste like ass.
Go figger.  :shrug:
That's because it's only half ass.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 13, 2019, 04:54:17 PM
AR Will Spark the Next Big Tech Platform—Call It Mirrorworld

https://www.wired.com/story/mirrorworld-ar-next-big-tech-platform/ (https://www.wired.com/story/mirrorworld-ar-next-big-tech-platform/)

Fairly long article. interesting to me, though.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 04:55:09 PM
That's because it's only half ass.

Might explain why I like it.  :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 08:13:29 AM
There was an experiment done way back where they set up a shielded darkroom, added the appropriate detectors and or measuring device(s). Then they had one of the best remote viewers view the target. At the moment the remote viewer said he was at the target the instruments detected photons where there shouldn't have been any. When the viewer stopped, the photons were no longer detected.

There is other science out there doing much the same. This video is about a set of experiments to see if a person could influence photons by "thinking" about them.

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSBaq3vAeY#)




Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
What will be the test to determine sentience and/or consciousness in an AI/robot?

"I think, therefore I am" isn't going to cut it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 04:37:38 PM
“Freedom requires truth, and so to smash freedom you must smash truth”

You live in a fascist state people. But not to worry.

We, you, me--us are about to live under THE NEW TOTALITARIANISM.



Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 05:35:18 PM
This is how it really got going.

9\11 was the lynchpin. Whether you believe it was an outside act of terrorism, or an inside job, it brought us The Patriot Act, TSA, Homeland Security, etc.

We (this is going to take the three of me) will present to you now the term "Invisible Fascism". Stay tuned (pun intended) for updates.

Take some time to mull it over.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 14, 2019, 05:44:16 PM
This is how it really got going.

9\11 was the lynchpin. Whether you believe it was an outside act of terrorism, or an inside job, it brought us The Patriot Act, TSA, Homeland Security, etc.

We (this is going to take the three of me) will present to you now the term "Invisible Fascism". Stay tuned (pun intended) for updates.

Take some time to mull it over.
FWIW, I got shouted down on another site (one i no longer visit) where I was assured all those extraconstitutional powers in the Patriot Act were okay, because "our side" was putting them in there. Some of them are in direct contravention to listed civil rights.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 14, 2019, 05:50:18 PM
What will be the test to determine sentience and/or consciousness in an AI/robot?

"I think, therefore I am" isn't going to cut it.

That is a very good question, and one on which much work has been done and will have to be done.  Perhaps some version of the Turing Test will be used.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 14, 2019, 05:52:21 PM
FWIW, I got shouted down on another site (one i no longer visit) where I was assured all those extraconstitutional powers in the Patriot Act were okay, because "our side" was putting them in there. Some of them are in direct contravention to listed civil rights.

There's the problem, right there.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 05:54:25 PM
FWIW, I got shouted down on another site (one i no longer visit) where I was assured all those extraconstitutional powers in the Patriot Act were okay, because "our side" was putting them in there. Some of them are in direct contravention to listed civil rights.

You succinctly illuminate why I used the term "Invisible Fascism". I claim no intellectual rights to it. A term I heard somewhere else.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 06:06:16 PM
That is a very good question, and one on which much work has been done and will have to be done.  Perhaps some version of the Turing Test will be used.

IMO, anything they come up with will never satisfy what I believe to be sentience, or conscious(ness), at the human level.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 14, 2019, 06:11:52 PM
There's the problem, right there.  *****rollingeyes*****
Yep.. It's what happens when people abandon solid and unwavering principles for emotionally driven expediency.

As a rule, the WORST legislation is hammered through in an "emergency" or other frenzy to "do something".

 If Obama or Clinton had tried to have the same law passed, maybe people would have read past the title and realized what was in it--and fought it tooth and nail.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 06:16:33 PM
Yep.. It's what happens when people abandon solid and unwavering principles for emotionally driven expediency.

As a rule, the WORST legislation is hammered through in an "emergency" or other frenzy to "do something".

 If Obama or Clinton had tried to have the same law passed, maybe people would have read past the title and realized what was in it--and fought it tooth and nail.

Why would I not think Clinton had a hand in the drafting of this legislation?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 06:29:48 PM
April 24, 1996.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 14, 2019, 06:30:00 PM
Why would I not think Clinton had a hand in the drafting of this legislation?
They might have, planting on call executive power far beyond anything the Constitution would allow, right down to seizing the contents of your pantry, your guns, your home, out of expedience in an emergency--essentially the carte blanche that would have the current crop of neototalitarians giving off emissions in their sleep. That's just it. If there is stuff in the Bill that shouldn't be there, it shouldn't pass, should be vetoed, no matter whose idea it was.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
They might have, planting on call executive power far beyond anything the Constitution would allow, right down to seizing the contents of your pantry, your guns, your home, out of expedience in an emergency--essentially the carte blanche that would have the current crop of neototalitarians giving off emissions in their sleep. That's just it. If there is stuff in the Bill that shouldn't be there, it shouldn't pass, should be vetoed, no matter whose idea it was.

The date I posted was when that Antiterrorism bill came into effect. The reply to Oklahoma City.

Clinton thought it had been stripped too much. Whether Clinton had an actual hand in framing the PA, those people had a lesson learned.

Clinton's law came too late. They had the PA in effect before the fires were out at ground zero, New York City.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 14, 2019, 06:36:51 PM
They might have, planting on call executive power far beyond anything the Constitution would allow, right down to seizing the contents of your pantry, your guns, your home, out of expedience in an emergency--essentially the carte blanche that would have the current crop of neototalitarians giving off emissions in their sleep. That's just it. If there is stuff in the Bill that shouldn't be there, it shouldn't pass, should be vetoed, no matter whose idea it was.

Interesting.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 14, 2019, 06:48:58 PM
IMO, anything they come up with will never satisfy what I believe to be sentience, or conscious(ness), at the human level.

Maybe so.  I happen to think otherwise.  I doubt it will happen in my lifetime, but I’m sure it will happen. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 07:09:04 PM
Maybe so.  I happen to think otherwise.  I doubt it will happen in my lifetime, but I’m sure it will happen.

Thanks for the input.

Under my current belief system, which I reserve the right to change at any time, the best they will ever get,  is a mere simulacrum.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 14, 2019, 07:17:29 PM
Thanks for the input.

Under my current belief system, which I reserve the right to change at any time, the best they will ever get,  is a mere simulacrum.

Ok.  I believe that real sentience will be achieved. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 14, 2019, 07:31:06 PM
Ok.  I believe that real sentience will be achieved.

I don't know about "achieved," but it will be declared so by the PTB whether it's really achieved or not.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 07:37:02 PM
Ok.  I believe that real sentience will be achieved.

I believe sentience to be a combination of six senses in a being that is alive. Human sentience comes from those combined sensory inputs. They WILL be able to copy at least the first five, to a machine that can process the data faster than a human. But that doesn't make the machine human. Sentient under a "real" definition. Yeah, they are going to do that.

In this case, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it STILL isn't a duck.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a swan it is a narcissist. :laugh:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 14, 2019, 08:15:49 PM
I believe sentience to be a combination of six senses in a being that is alive. Human sentience comes from those combined sensory inputs. They WILL be able to copy at least the first five, to a machine that can process the data faster than a human. But that doesn't make the machine human. Sentient under a "real" definition. Yeah, they are going to do that.

In this case, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it STILL isn't a duck.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a swan it is a narcissist. :laugh:
Are you harping on that poor swan's "white privilege"?  :nono: :laugh: J/K

I believe we still have to come up with an untainted definition of sentience, simply because any future contact with another sentient species may occur by our actions, and failure to recognize that sentience could have serious ramifications for them and possibly us.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 14, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
Are you harping on that poor swan's "white privilege"?  :nono: :laugh: J/K

I believe we still have to come up with an untainted definition of sentience, simply because any future contact with another sentient species may occur by our actions, and failure to recognize that sentience could have serious ramifications for them and possibly us.

Agreed. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 14, 2019, 08:22:30 PM
I believe sentience to be a combination of six senses in a being that is alive. Human sentience comes from those combined sensory inputs. They WILL be able to copy at least the first five, to a machine that can process the data faster than a human. But that doesn't make the machine human. Sentient under a "real" definition. Yeah, they are going to do that.

In this case, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it STILL isn't a duck.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a swan it is a narcissist. :laugh:


As far as I’m concerned, sentience is an epiphenomenon that arises from a purely material system, and therefore can in principle be reproduced in true fidelity.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 09:07:34 PM
As far as I’m concerned, sentience is an epiphenomenon that arises from a purely material system, and therefore can in principle be reproduced in true fidelity.

So are you saying that sentience is observable effect of consciousness manifesting in three dimensions?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 09:18:51 PM
This reminds me of Carl Sagan describing the introduction of a 3D object into a 2D world. In his example he used an apple as the 3D object. To an observer in the 2D world all they would see is a 2D slice of the apple. Similarly, if you pulled a 2D person into a 3D they would vanish from the 2D world.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 14, 2019, 09:19:58 PM
So are you saying that sentience is observable effect of consciousness manifesting in three dimensions?

I don’t think so.  I’m saying sentience - and consciousness - are the results of purely materialistic systems. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 14, 2019, 09:27:23 PM
I don’t think so.  I’m saying sentience - and consciousness - are the results of purely materialistic systems.

I crap, therefore I am?

 **nononono*
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 09:43:36 PM
I don’t think so.  I’m saying sentience - and consciousness - are the results of purely materialistic systems.

So sentience and consciousness are confined and defined as the result of chemical reactions, or some other reaction to stimuli in an object and ends when that effect is no longer observable? If so, then any object can be sentient as long as it is observable to the point it fits the rule or definition of such within the human experience? Not counted as being human, but sentient all the same.

Quote
I believe we still have to come up with an untainted definition of sentience, simply because any future contact with another sentient species may occur by our actions, and failure to recognize that sentience could have serious ramifications for them and possibly us.
@Smokin Joe

I read a satirical article back in the 90's in OMNI magazine.

Some scientists brought a "save the whales" activist into a lab. Sat him in a chair and told him they had been able to translate whalesong into English. He got very excited as they began playing some whalesong they had recorded. Then came the translation.

Whale 1: Whatta you wanna do?
Whale 2: I don't know. Whatta you want to do?
Whale 1: I dont know...Hey! Check out the fins on that one!

At this point the activist has the realization: OMG! Whales ARE as intelligent as people. Then took up the chant. Kill the whales...kill the whales...



Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 09:47:48 PM
I crap, therefore I am?

 **nononono*

Shit happens is prolly more in the chaos theory of things.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 14, 2019, 09:49:45 PM
So sentience and consciousness are confined and defined as the result of chemical reactions, or some other reaction to stimuli in an object and ends when that effect is no longer observable? If so, then any object can be sentient as long as it is observable to the point it fits the rule or definition of such within the human experience? Not counted as being human, but sentient all the same.
 @Smokin Joe

I read a satirical article back in the 90's in OMNI magazine.

Some scientists brought a "save the whales" activist into a lab. Sat him in a chair and told him they had been able to whalesong into English. He got very excited as they began playing some whalesong they had recorded. Then came the translation.

Whale 1: Whatta you wanna do?
Whale 2: I don't know. Whatta you want to do?
Whale 1: I dont know...Hey! Check out the fins on that one!

At this point the activist has the realization: OMG! Whales ARE as intelligent as people. Then took up the chant. Kill the whales...kill the whales...





I haven’t insulted you or your peculiar theories, why are you insulting me?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 14, 2019, 09:50:23 PM
I crap, therefore I am?

 **nononono*

You are a physical system, and all that you are arises from that physical system. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 14, 2019, 09:52:04 PM
I haven’t insulted you or your peculiar theories, why are you insulting me?

Where is the insult? That isn't my intention at all.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 14, 2019, 10:01:04 PM
You are a physical system, and all that you are arises from that physical system.

Naw. I am a spirit, a soul, confined and constrained (in the objective sense, not as a prisoner) - Temporally contained within a physical system (see meat-sack).



Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 14, 2019, 10:22:48 PM
Where is the insult? That isn't my intention at all.

I didn't see an insult in there, accidental or otherwise.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2019, 06:05:37 PM
Before I begin again in my assertion that we live in a fascist state I want to say this:

My intent in posting this thread is to present to members and viewers some of the prevailing thought, pro or con, to a technology that is "in the works", and some of the science, and psychology, that surrounds this topic.

Please post any articles, opinions, or rants.

My opinions are my own. Dissent or agreement are most welcomed. Anyone who thinks my opinions are a personal attack on their belief system, ideology, or thoughts, has or will not be intended on my part. If you disagree then please state your case. If you agree then please state your case.

As with any other thread, especially a thread of any duration, it will tend to wander.

I think most of the articles or videos I have posted are relevant to the topic.

I would encourage any of you out there to do the same. Meaning post material relevant.

I personally apologize to member @Bill Cipher for anything I posted that they considered insulting. I personally apologize to Any ruling authority on this forum that any material presented here (may) have caused personal harm.

@mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty @Bill Cipher
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 21, 2019, 04:25:52 PM
I'm going to post one article concerning fascism. I was going to do a timeline with articles from 9/11 to the present.

Here is one of the latest. The reporter keeps trying to paint Trump as a fascist.

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/14/18221913/fascism-warning-madeleine-albright-book-trump (https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/14/18221913/fascism-warning-madeleine-albright-book-trump)

Fascism: a warning from Madeleine Albright

The former secretary of state is sounding the alarm about rising fascism around the world — and in America.

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I try to argue that fascism is not an ideology; it’s a process for taking and holding power...

The important thing is that fascists aren’t actually trying to solve problems; they’re invested in exacerbating problems and deepening the divisions that result from them

Identity is fine, but if my identity makes me hate your identity, then it becomes very dangerous and it falls into hypernationalism. Suddenly, groups are pitted against each other or scapegoated and all of political life becomes tribalized conflict. And we can see this happening in a number of places. Viktor Orbán’s embrace of ethnic purity in Hungary is a good example of this.

The other major factor is technology, which has incredible advantages, but it’s also desegregated voices and made it harder to take political action because individuals are sucked into echo chambers. Weirdly enough, this has managed to make us more tribal and more fragmented at the same time.

Most of you can either recognize the factors leading this country from invisible fascism to it being outright fact.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 21, 2019, 04:32:56 PM
Moving on.

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I think more like a quantum
Buddhist, in that there is a universal proto-conscious mind which we
access, and can influence us. But it actually exists at the
funda-mental level of the universe, at the Planck scale.

Quantum Consciousness _ And its Nature In Microtubules. Dr. Stuart Hameroff

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx0SsffdMBw#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 21, 2019, 04:46:38 PM
There is a video coming out. Third Eye Spies.

This video gives insight into that video.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93fWqwhnGrM#)

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 21, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Targ

Russell Targ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

Stargate Project

The CIA runs an operation for 20 years on psychic spying, or remote viewing and when it is exposed to the public they abandon it?

uh huh

Spies don't stop spying.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 21, 2019, 10:31:56 PM
Now I need to ask this question.

For what purpose would you ever need a human like sentient robot?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 21, 2019, 10:48:39 PM
Now I need to ask this question.

For what purpose would you ever need a human like sentient robot?

That's easy...look where the most robotic/AI advances have been lately, in Japan.  I want to say the purpose could be...Bordellos.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 22, 2019, 08:51:40 AM
That's easy...look where the most robotic/AI advances have been lately, in Japan.  I want to say the purpose could be...Bordellos.

I don't think a robot needs to be sentient if it is there to only serve one purpose.

IMO, the Japanese are heading down a dead end road.

They may serve as a bellwether for the rest of the world in this respect: When the master becomes the slave.



Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 22, 2019, 04:25:36 PM
Dopamine.

Billions of digital drug addicts. Right now.

Sentient robots.

Are you still human?

For a little while longer.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 22, 2019, 05:58:36 PM
Using scientific methods they have proven that people are reducing themselves to little more than reflections of Pavlov's dog.

You get a Dopamine rush when you connect with your device.

I would post some stats on how many times a day people connect with an electronic device. I don't have a cellphone. I do have two computers and a tablet. Am I an addict? Infrequent user for sure. But I don't freak out if the internet goes down.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2018/04/13/digital-addiction-a-recipe-for-isolation-depression-and-anxiety/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2018/04/13/digital-addiction-a-recipe-for-isolation-depression-and-anxiety/)

Digital Addiction: A Recipe For Isolation, Depression And Anxiety

   The end result of the constant dopamine stimulation from our devices leaves us addicted and curious,
    the price for staying connected means that we lose the “human” connection


Smartphones have clearly become an indispensable part of our lives and society, keeping us connected and aware of minute-to-minute breaking news, weather systems, even changes in marital status of pop icons and celebrities.Part of this “convenience” in allowing us to remain connected, are the ever-present alerts, pings and rings that identify an incoming text, email or breaking news story. The end result of the constant dopamine stimulation from our devices leaves us addicted and curious, and unable to disregard incoming texts and emails.

As technology continues to tighten its grip on our lives, the price for staying connected means that we lose the “human” connection —our voices, touch, and facial expressions.  So, when we reach for our smartphones, and think we are staying connected, we are actually drifting apart.

The end result of this electronic urge leads to a preoccupation with, and need to reinforce this electronic high.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 22, 2019, 06:05:16 PM
Interlube.  :laugh:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AukFsBv2oDY#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 22, 2019, 07:12:54 PM
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,351604.msg1918355.html#msg1918355 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,351604.msg1918355.html#msg1918355)


No, the Pentagon Is Not Working on Killer Robots—Yet


I meant to add this thread earlier but I was busy playing with my joystick.

Hat tip to  @rangerrebew
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 23, 2019, 03:47:01 AM
Greg Braden.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: GourmetDan on February 23, 2019, 02:15:34 PM
doink
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 23, 2019, 04:53:15 PM
doink
parse
nips

Thank you for your erudition.

Peace out.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: GourmetDan on February 23, 2019, 07:43:52 PM
parse
nips

Thank you for your erudition.

Peace out.

A doink is like a ping... except I'm tone-deaf...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 27, 2019, 11:59:53 AM
The Death of Materialism

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM0IKLv7KrE#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 27, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
Qualia

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 27, 2019, 05:17:08 PM
So they are finding out that consciousness lies in or at the quantum level.

It isn't some belief a person has developed.

Sentience in a machine isn't something desirable or should even be attempted.

A sentient robot could have some use. A companion. An astronaut. A weapon.

The weapon comes first.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 27, 2019, 07:16:20 PM
consciousness lies

That's right.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 27, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
That's right.

What it means is that everyone is right.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 27, 2019, 09:54:59 PM
What it means is that everyone is right.

Or everyone is wrong.
You choose.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 10:49:31 AM
Or everyone is wrong.
You choose.

More people on this planet have cell phones than toilets. Five billion cellphones. That is good for those who don't have toilets. They don't have to worry about dropping their cell phone in one.

Everyone's cat is alive in their world. But it is dead in yours.

Here is the problem. They are soon going to have the technology to get people on the same page. They will have people in a hivemind who all believe in the same cat and that cat is alive. And your cat is dead.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 11:12:41 AM
More people on this planet have cell phones than toilets. Five billion cellphones. That is good for those who don't have toilets. They don't have to worry about dropping their cell phone in one.

Everyone's cat is alive in their world. But it is dead in yours.

Here is the problem. They are soon going to have the technology to get people on the same page. They will have people in a hivemind who all believe in the same cat and that cat is alive. And your cat is dead.

Careful now Schroedinger, Just because you can't see my cat doesn't mean that my cat is dead.
In the end, my cat will win. I read the Book. I know how it ends.

Because my cat is a dog, and he hates cats.
Here kitty kitty....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 28, 2019, 11:12:53 AM
I would gladly sacrifice a human to save a really cool robot. My roomba is awesome.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 11:25:10 AM
Careful now Schroedinger, Just because you can't see my cat doesn't mean that my cat is dead.
In the end, my cat will win. I read the Book. I know how it ends.

Because my cat is a dog, and he hates cats.
Here kitty kitty....

I know. Your cat/dog wins. That doesn't mean you don't suffer first.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 11:27:09 AM
I would gladly sacrifice a human to save a really cool robot. My roomba is awesome.

I want my sucking thing! GIVE ME MY SUCKING THING!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 11:28:26 AM
Artificial Intelligence: it will kill us | Jay Tuck | TEDxHamburgSalon

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrNs0M77Pd4#)

This guy gives a pretty good explanation why you can't just "unplug" AI.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 11:31:42 AM
I know. Your cat/dog wins. That doesn't mean you don't suffer first.

Read Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankel. It will blow your mind.
We are here to suffer. It is suffering that matters, not happiness.
Which is why my cat wins.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 11:57:51 AM
Read Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankel. It will blow your mind.
We are here to suffer. It is suffering that matters, not happiness.
Which is why my cat wins.

Can I read Isaiah instead?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 28, 2019, 12:00:05 PM
FedEx will trial autonomous delivery robots this summer

https://www.engadget.com/2019/02/27/fedex-sameday-bot-autonomous-robot-deliveries/ (https://www.engadget.com/2019/02/27/fedex-sameday-bot-autonomous-robot-deliveries/)

 :laugh:

I'll believe this when I see it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 12:05:58 PM
FedEx will trial autonomous delivery robots this summer

https://www.engadget.com/2019/02/27/fedex-sameday-bot-autonomous-robot-deliveries/ (https://www.engadget.com/2019/02/27/fedex-sameday-bot-autonomous-robot-deliveries/)

 :laugh:

I'll believe this when I see it.

 The company already has AutoZone, Pizza Hut, Target and Walmart on board for initial testing.

A pizza delivery robot. Damn thing will have to have its own lane.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 12:09:29 PM
Can I read Isaiah instead?

Howabout both?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 12:14:49 PM
Howabout both?

I'm looking to see if I can find a cheap, or free, copy.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 12:22:56 PM
OneWeb is about to launch the first of more than 600 internet satellites

https://qz.com/1560552/oneweb-launches-internet-satellites/

A private firm will launch the initial six of a planned 640 satellites later today (Feb. 27). If successful, these spacecraft could be the foundation of the first large-scale internet network in low-Earth orbit.

OneWeb’s satellites will orbit hundreds of miles above the Earth, providing data connections to mobile phones, laptops and tablets through ground terminals marketed by the company, which it expects to bring online as soon as 2020.

OneWeb calls its project “the first 5G-ready network in space,” which captures the trend that backers believe make this time different.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
I'm looking to see if I can find a cheap, or free, copy.

Order it out of the library. Costs nothing.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 12:37:28 PM

OneWeb calls its project “the first 5G-ready network in space,” which captures the trend that backers believe make this time different.

Ugh. Sat latency sucks for internet.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 12:44:48 PM
Ugh. Sat latency sucks for internet.

This is the new web. Decreased latency.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 01:27:11 PM
This is the new web. Decreased latency.

Yeah right. It still has to fly 200 miles by radio up and 200 miles by radio down. For_every_packet, AND wait for replies.

That is latency any way you look at it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 01:50:14 PM
Yeah right. It still has to fly 200 miles by radio up and 200 miles by radio down. For_every_packet, AND wait for replies.

That is latency any way you look at it.

Quote

Though satellite-based phone and internet services have developed reputations for offering slower service than terrestrial alternatives, the FCC recently approved next-generation satellite networks that promise improved performance. Now one of the approved providers, LeoSat Networks, says that it will offer 5G cellular-rivaling low latency service that could be used either as a premium 5G alternative or as a backbone for international commercial 5G services.

Next-generation 5G cellular service promises to improve at least four dimensions of telecommunications performance, but two — increased bandwidth and ultra-low latency, or responsiveness — are the technology’s biggest selling points. Compared with 4G networks, 5G will deliver between 10 to 100 times the data speeds, and cut latency from double-digit milliseconds or longer to as little as a single millisecond, eliminating perceptible lag.

It may not seem like much to you, but think about all the other people it would effect. @Sanguine  and @QueenCatofAragon say they have slow connections. Just think of how much a little more connection speed could change their lives.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2019, 01:51:55 PM
It may not seem like much to you, but think about all the other people it would effect. @Sanguine  and @QueenCatofAragon say they have slow connections. Just think of how much a little more connection speed could change their lives.

Include me in that group.  Our home internet is via satellite.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
It may not seem like much to you, but think about all the other people it would effect. @Sanguine  and @QueenCatofAragon say they have slow connections. Just think of how much a little more connection speed could change their lives.

No, this is not direct sat. this is backbone sat... It is still going through terrestrial bricks and mortar. So cellular antennas (radio) converts to digital wire to the main office, converts to sat sig (radio) back to an office somewhere that is plugged in to the net. STILL gonna be stupid latency. It has to be.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 02:28:29 PM
No, this is not direct sat. this is backbone sat... It is still going through terrestrial bricks and mortar. So cellular antennas (radio) converts to digital wire to the main office, converts to sat sig (radio) back to an office somewhere that is plugged in to the net. STILL gonna be stupid latency. It has to be.

That isn't what they are claiming. Seeing is believing though. These LEO satellites will be 25 times closer than the ones out there now. But the constellation is going to be immense. Won't be able to swing that dead cat without hitting a damn satellite.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 02:31:11 PM
That isn't what they are claiming. Seeing is believing though. These LEO satellites will be 25 times closer than the ones out there now. But the constellation is going to be immense. Won't be able to swing that dead cat without hitting a damn satellite.

Considering their purpose, I don't think this is their purpose. Jussayin.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 02:39:52 PM
Considering their purpose, I don't think this is their purpose. Jussayin.

Right. The whole premise of the thread. Turning people into sentient robots.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 02:50:50 PM
Right. The whole premise of the thread. Turning people into sentient robots.

Well, I refuse to be sentient. So there.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
Well, I refuse to be sentient. So there.

Great. Just out Turing the countryside.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2019, 03:05:48 PM
Great. Just out Turing the countryside.

I am a rock. I am an island.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
I am a rock. I am an island.

Can't make up your own mind. You win.   :laugh:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 28, 2019, 03:32:48 PM
Well, I refuse to be sentient. So there.
Pssst! (just play dumb, and try not to laugh out loud)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 28, 2019, 08:03:07 PM
It may not seem like much to you, but think about all the other people it would effect. @Sanguine  and @QueenCatofAragon say they have slow connections. Just think of how much a little more connection speed could change their lives.

@bigheadfred

That’ll probably continue indefinitely for me.  My carrier, U.S. Cellular, has 4G coverage for 99% of customers.

Guess who’s in the 1%?  😳
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 08:26:32 PM
@bigheadfred

That’ll probably continue indefinitely for me.  My carrier, U.S. Cellular, has 4G coverage for 99% of customers.

Guess who’s in the 1%?  😳

Ever thought of moving out of your cave?  :laugh:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on February 28, 2019, 08:54:26 PM
@QueenCatofAragon

A lot of this is going to depend on who gets the slice of the pie. Meaning which telecom companies are going to be willing to spend the money on the infrastructure. As with anything else be sure the nanny state will have their say. You might be in a place that will be a dead spot no matter what.

Industry Voices—Rysavy: How 5G will solve rural broadband

http://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/industry-voices-rysavy-how-5g-will-solve-rural-broadband (http://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/industry-voices-rysavy-how-5g-will-solve-rural-broadband)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 01, 2019, 12:31:05 PM
Cybernetics--the study of human control functions and of mechanical and electronic systems designed to replace them, involving the application of statistical mechanics to communication engineering.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddp-cebrnYk#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 01, 2019, 04:47:47 PM
 https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/17/17344250/google-x-selfish-ledger-video-data-privacy (https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/17/17344250/google-x-selfish-ledger-video-data-privacy)

Google’s Selfish Ledger is an unsettling vision of Silicon Valley social engineering

Video at link
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on March 01, 2019, 05:53:27 PM
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/17/17344250/google-x-selfish-ledger-video-data-privacy (https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/17/17344250/google-x-selfish-ledger-video-data-privacy)

Google’s Selfish Ledger is an unsettling vision of Silicon Valley social engineering

Video at link

@bigheadfred that's chilling. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 01, 2019, 06:09:37 PM
@bigheadfred that's chilling.

All this is going on and what are people concerned with? The ssdd
  "news" stories. They keep people in stupid mode.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on March 01, 2019, 06:54:51 PM
All this is going on and what are people concerned with? The ssdd
  "news" stories. They keep people in stupid mode.

No argument here.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on March 01, 2019, 11:46:46 PM
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Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 02, 2019, 02:20:02 AM
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/17/17344250/google-x-selfish-ledger-video-data-privacy (https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/17/17344250/google-x-selfish-ledger-video-data-privacy)

Google’s Selfish Ledger is an unsettling vision of Silicon Valley social engineering

Video at link
Thanks for that like.

Self-fulfilling prophesy at its finest, and it leaves me with no doubt that all the carefully selected buzzwords and emotionalist catch phrases used to elicit the specific desired public reaction on any issue are indeed calculated, carefully selected to turn the herd toward or from a concept, person, or belief.

Why I watch little on television, and am wary of what I watch.  It's tempting to get a dozen televisions and lock them in a soundproof room with random channels on, just to cloud the electronic genome....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 04, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ILOoKWJOjo#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 04, 2019, 06:59:20 PM
Scientists Call for a Ban on AI-Controlled Killer Robots

https://futurism.com/scientists-ban-ai-killer-robots

Killer Robots

Killer robots are coming for us all.

But rather than a T-1000 spewing one-liners, autonomous weapon systems like drones could end up replacing human soldiers on the battlefield entirely, given enough time.

But is it ethical to have an artificial intelligence call the shots and decide to take a human life?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 04, 2019, 07:03:54 PM
Thousands of Chinese Fans Paid to See a Virtual Hologram Singer

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj6q9H12OngAhVoJTQIHTgBDuUQFjABegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffuturism.com%2Fvirtual-idol-hologram-luo-tianyi-lang-lang-live&usg=AOvVaw3VRgGCzrgGZkkSRO6LpJ3l (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj6q9H12OngAhVoJTQIHTgBDuUQFjABegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffuturism.com%2Fvirtual-idol-hologram-luo-tianyi-lang-lang-live&usg=AOvVaw3VRgGCzrgGZkkSRO6LpJ3l)

Hologram Performance

Thousands of fans convened at Shanghai’s Mercedes-Benz arena on Saturday to see an unusual show: a virtual hologram singer named Luo Tianyi, accompanied by world famous Chinese pianist Lang Lang.

But rather than basing the holographic performance on a particular human performer’s movement and voice — the way holograms of Michael Jackson and Tupac have “performed” on stage over the last decade — Tianyi’s performance is the result of six months of hard work by roughly 200 production staff, as the South China Morning Post (SCMP) reports.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 04, 2019, 08:46:26 PM
She's pretty hot...for a cartoon character.  I guess this helps to explain why so many Asians are marrying their non-sentient robots.  And stuff.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 04, 2019, 10:06:25 PM
She's pretty hot...for a cartoon character.  I guess this helps to explain why so many Asians are marrying their non-sentient robots.  And stuff.

The problem in China is that their one child policy has killed too many girl babies so now there isn't enough women to go around.

I think the Japanese are close to or are at negative population growth.

But that isn't the problem there. They are just plain weird.


Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 04, 2019, 10:20:20 PM
The problem in China is that their one child policy has killed too many girl babies so now there isn't enough women to go around.

I think the Japanese are close to or are at negative population growth.

But that isn't the problem there. They are just plain weird.

@bigheadfred 

I've worked with a few H1Bs from China, and I am compelled by experience to agree with your overall assessment, there's some weird there.  I really like my US Citizen friend who hailed from Taiwan, though.  That Scientist is the salt of the Earth.  He preceded me in the layoffs by a couple years and moved to San Hoser. CA.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on March 04, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
...

But that isn't the problem there. They are just plain weird.

That's almost an understatement.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 04, 2019, 11:17:35 PM
That's almost an understatement.

Don't mention the breath....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 05, 2019, 07:37:34 AM
Don't mention the breath....

I heard they eat garlic like it is candy.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 05, 2019, 08:32:39 AM
ATLAS: Killer Robot? No. Virtual Crewman? Yes.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353568.msg1932040.html#msg1932040 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353568.msg1932040.html#msg1932040)

Hat tip to @rangerrebew
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 05, 2019, 11:33:27 AM
I heard they eat garlic like it is candy.

Yup.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 06, 2019, 09:21:43 AM
Controlling AI Weapons May Be Impossible, Warns Former US Secretary of State

https://futurism.com/the-byte/controlling-ai-weapons-impossible

Kill Switch

AI arms control is all “fun and games” until someone accidentally recreates Skynet.

When looking to the future we can’t ignore the possibility of a potential artificial intelligence arms race as nations rush to outpace one another. That’s exactly the sort of future that former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger is afraid of. Speaking last Thursday at a three-day event celebrating the opening of a new school of computing at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Kissinger warned that AI weapons might become harder to control than nuclear ones. Such systems will be developed in secrecy leading to a dangerous arms race, as Kissinger said according to MIT Tech Review, “With AI, the other side’s ignorance is one of your best weapons—sharing will be much more difficult.”
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 06, 2019, 10:56:54 AM
Skynet is active, Mr. Connor....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 06, 2019, 11:24:45 AM
Skynet is active, Mr. Connor....

I was watching a vid where they were using very high resolution satellite cameras that could help identify a person by the shape of their head, the type of clothes they wore, the car they were driving, etc. Analyzing people from the top down.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 06, 2019, 06:46:43 PM
This is the worst of the worst. This is what will be the end of humanity. THIS is why I am a Luddite.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,352885.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,352885.0.html)

Hat tip to @rangerrebew

Robot 'GOD': AI version of Buddhist deity to preach in Japanese temple

 
Japan: Robot modelled after Buddhist deity gives its first speech
 
The humanoid robot is modeled after Kannon Bodhisattva, the Buddhist Goddess of Mercy. The robot’s name is Mindar and it gave its first speech on the Heart Sutra, a key scripture in Buddhist teaching. The Japan Times reported that the teachings spoken by the robot offer a path to "overcome all fear, destroy all wrong perceptions and realise perfect nirvana.”
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 06, 2019, 07:00:22 PM
Apropos of nothing

A short story

The Nine Billion Names of God
Arthur C. Clarke

https://urbigenous.net/library/nine_billion_names_of_god.html

 Source link: https://urbigenous.net/library/index.html
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 06, 2019, 09:47:10 PM
I was watching a vid where they were using very high resolution satellite cameras that could help identify a person by the shape of their head, the type of clothes they wore, the car they were driving, etc. Analyzing people from the top down.
The CIA used to be able to tell which of the Soviet big bosses were in town by their golf bags.. that was years ago. The resolution has only improved.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 07, 2019, 09:37:45 AM
OpenAI withholds its latest research fearing societal impact

https://www.artificialintelligence-news.com/2019/02/15/openai-latest-research-societal-impact/ (https://www.artificialintelligence-news.com/2019/02/15/openai-latest-research-societal-impact/)

OpenAI has decided not to publish its latest research fearing its potential misuses and the negative societal impact that would have.

The institute, backed by the likes of Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, developed an AI which can produce convincing ‘fake news’ articles.

Articles produced by the AI writer can be on any subject and merely require a brief prompt before it gets to work unsupervised.

The AI scrapes data from ~8 million webpages and solely looks at those posted to Reddit with a ‘karma’ of three or more. That check means the article resonated with some users, although for what reason it cannot be sure.

Often, the resulting text – generated word-by-word – is coherent but fabricated. That even includes ‘quotes’ used in the article.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 07, 2019, 10:02:02 AM
OpenAI withholds its latest research fearing societal impact

https://www.artificialintelligence-news.com/2019/02/15/openai-latest-research-societal-impact/ (https://www.artificialintelligence-news.com/2019/02/15/openai-latest-research-societal-impact/)

OpenAI has decided not to publish its latest research fearing its potential misuses and the negative societal impact that would have.

The institute, backed by the likes of Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, developed an AI which can produce convincing ‘fake news’ articles.

Articles produced by the AI writer can be on any subject and merely require a brief prompt before it gets to work unsupervised.

The AI scrapes data from ~8 million webpages and solely looks at those posted to Reddit with a ‘karma’ of three or more. That check means the article resonated with some users, although for what reason it cannot be sure.

Often, the resulting text – generated word-by-word – is coherent but fabricated. That even includes ‘quotes’ used in the article.

IOW, AI is catching up on CNN and MSNBC.  I'd be worried if I was a reporter, too.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 07, 2019, 02:37:47 PM
I'll prolly get one of these  ****slapping for this. So be it.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyXm-HfYBU#)


("This is all so new...")
("It's not new. I realized that nothing we've been doing is new.
We haven't been tapping into new areas of the brain,
we've just been awakening the most ancient.
This technology is simply a route to powers
that conjurers and alchemists used centuries ago.")1: The Lawnmower Man 1992

We're seeing an exponential growth in all machines and innovations
As technology surpasses and exceeds our limitations
Implications could be serious and many past and present futurists
Have been warning us for years about the consequences
Massive repercussions, we see the evidence, dependence
On our internet and phones and games and television
Losing independence, as we've immersed ourselves in working
All our fingers to the bones for corporations
We give them back our paychecks for the latest and the greatest
Plastic upgrades, name brand products, and replacements
And build their databases investing hours of our own free time
Uploading information used against us
To target us with market advertising toward our interests
Collecting information used to monitor our senses
Correcting anyone who won't comply or be connected
How long before a mandatory microchip's injected?
 
[Hook:]
It's the age old lie, the promise of utopia
The carrot on the stick, the empty cornucopia
Technological hive mind dystopia
What will arise is a time of robophobia
 
It's an emerging type insurgence, converging and been burgeoning
And churning, slowly bursting to the surface; it's concerning every person
And confirming every warning, the disturbing thought, we're working
Toward a single mind that's merging and converting us to downloadable versions
Of ourselves inside a full immersion, universal simulated virtual reality
Where every living earthling's neural pathways are inspected mandatorily
And connected using voice-to-skull telepathy
Absorbing data, fingerprints, to play us back like instruments
Manipulating just like we're puppets of ventriloquists
Remote controlling human beings like Ouija boards
Coursing through the veins like circuit boards
Record the sounds of every vocal chord
Moving exponentially towards a singularity
Eventually we won't distinguish magic from technology
And robots will unplug from electricity, no longer using batteries
But powered like a golem, using alchemy
 
[Hook]
 
Slowly manipulate genetically our DNA collectively
Infecting every living organism and directing every
Intersecting thought and every memory and vision
Inspecting our opinions and collecting our decisions
A digital technocracy emerging as philosophy
Inserting thought police patrols and mind control technology
Removing private property, enforcing thought bureaucracy
Reducing every freedom and pursuit of life and liberty
Consistently expanding all their terms and their conditions
With minimum requirements and maximum restrictions
Creating unknown problems to offer fake solutions
To complicate the system till there's nothing but confusion
Depicting anyone who won't conform as unacceptable
Demanding everyone to all agree and not be skeptical
Eventually connecting every mind from every nation
Fulfilling prophecy from Genesis to Revelation
 
[Hook]
 
("Even with all these new abilities, there are dangers.")
("The human race lost that knowledge
and now I'm reclaiming it through virtual reality.")
("You're moving too fast...")1: The Lawnmower Man 1992
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 07, 2019, 08:43:06 PM
Amazon is coming out with a robot, Amazon Vesta. IMO it will probably be the most advanced home robot we've ever seen.

Of course, I've been wrong about these things before.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 07, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
The sidebrush on my Roomba 650 stopped moving and a replacement part didn't work either. From Google, it seems it's probably motherboard damage. So I bought a Roomba 675. I wanted an I7 but my wife would have killed me to spend that much.

The 675 does a good job on our floors.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on March 07, 2019, 08:48:49 PM

The 675 does a good job on our floors.

Not with a shedding Malamute in the house.  :laugh:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 07, 2019, 08:59:16 PM
Not with a shedding Malamute in the house.  :laugh:
Po'boy carpet!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 07, 2019, 09:00:58 PM
The sidebrush on my Roomba 650 stopped moving and a replacement part didn't work either. From Google, it seems it's probably motherboard damage. So I bought a Roomba 675. I wanted an I7 but my wife would have killed me to spend that much.

The 675 does a good job on our floors.

I don't have a problem with ANI robots. They are developing robots that can pick crops. You get a robot that can pick broccoli and strawberries there wouldn't be any huge need to have people coming over the border to do those jobs Americans won't.

It is when you start applying AGI to control people that I have the problem. That is what their ultimate goal is. A police surveillance state (IMO). And ASI will be the worst because I don't think they can control it. They might not be able to control AGI yet. What we read in the news is all old hat.

The thing is is that whoever wins the AI race could rule the cyber world. Which is about the whole damn pie.

Cybersecurity is really going to be a problem. I posted an article here.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353865.msg1933891.html#msg1933891 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353865.msg1933891.html#msg1933891)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on March 07, 2019, 09:05:24 PM
Po'boy carpet!

LOL!
That's right
 :beer:

And lets not talk about legos and matchbox cars... Or rebuilding a turbo-350 on the coffee table...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on March 07, 2019, 09:05:33 PM
I don't have a problem with ANI robots. They are developing robots that can pick crops. You get a robot that can pick broccoli and strawberries there wouldn't be any huge need to have people coming over the border to do those jobs Americans won't.

It is when you start applying AGI to control people that I have the problem. That is what their ultimate goal is. A police surveillance state (IMO). And ASI will be the worst because I don't think they can control it. They might not be able to control AGI yet. What we read in the news is all old hat.

The thing is is that whoever wins the AI race could rule the cyber world. Which is about the whole damn pie.

Cybersecurity is really going to be a problem. I posted an article here.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353865.msg1933891.html#msg1933891 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353865.msg1933891.html#msg1933891)

@Bigun , courtesy ping.

[highlighting added by me]
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 07, 2019, 09:14:16 PM
LOL!
That's right
 :beer:

And lets not talk about legos and matchbox cars... Or rebuilding a turbo-350 on the coffee table...

...in a fancy Las Vegas hotel room...don't ask me how I know that...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on March 07, 2019, 09:16:32 PM
...in a fancy Las Vegas hotel room...don't ask me how I know that...

Woudn't know... Fancy to me is the Motel 6  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 07, 2019, 09:18:22 PM
LOL!
That's right
 :beer:

And lets not talk about legos and matchbox cars... Or rebuilding a turbo-350 on the coffee table...
Or a 650 Norton in the living room....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 08, 2019, 04:41:21 AM
Not with a shedding Malamute in the house.  :laugh:

I have 2 cats, one a tabby and one fluffy that sheds a lot. The downstairs roomba 530 has lasted since I bought it in 2008, it still gets the floor clean. Every few weeks I have to take off the side brush and unwind hairs.

Basically all I do is press 2 buttons. Beats vacuuming.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 08, 2019, 04:43:20 AM
I don't have a problem with ANI robots. They are developing robots that can pick crops. You get a robot that can pick broccoli and strawberries there wouldn't be any huge need to have people coming over the border to do those jobs Americans won't.

It is when you start applying AGI to control people that I have the problem. That is what their ultimate goal is. A police surveillance state (IMO). And ASI will be the worst because I don't think they can control it. They might not be able to control AGI yet. What we read in the news is all old hat.

The thing is is that whoever wins the AI race could rule the cyber world. Which is about the whole damn pie.

Cybersecurity is really going to be a problem. I posted an article here.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353865.msg1933891.html#msg1933891 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353865.msg1933891.html#msg1933891)

Ani robots?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 08:06:36 AM
Ani robots?

Artificial Narrow Intelligence: ANI systems can attend to a task in real-time, but they pull information from a specific data-set. As a result, these systems don’t perform outside of the single task that they are designed to perform.

AGI: Artificial General intelligence or “Strong” AI refers to machines that exhibit human intelligence. In other words, AGI can successfully perform any intellectual task that a human being can. This is the sort of AI that we see in movies like “Her” or other sci-fi movies in which humans interact with machines and operating systems that are conscious, sentient, and driven by emotion and self-awareness.

ASI: Artificial Super Intelligence  will surpass human intelligence in all aspects — from creativity, to general wisdom, to problem-solving. Machines will be capable of exhibiting intelligence that we haven’t seen in the brightest amongst us. This is the type of AI that many people are worried about, and the type of AI that people like Elon Musk think will lead to the extinction of the human race.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on March 08, 2019, 08:32:44 AM
Quote
ASI: Artificial Super Intelligence  will surpass human intelligence in all aspects — from creativity, to general wisdom, to problem-solving. Machines will be capable of exhibiting intelligence that we haven’t seen in the brightest amongst us. This is the type of AI that many people are worried about, and the type of AI that people like Elon Musk think will lead to the extinction of the human race.

From where will such man-made machines glen this "super" intelligence?  That intrigues me.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on March 08, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
I have 2 cats, one a tabby and one fluffy that sheds a lot. The downstairs roomba 530 has lasted since I bought it in 2008, it still gets the floor clean. Every few weeks I have to take off the side brush and unwind hairs.

Basically all I do is press 2 buttons. Beats vacuuming.

No, you just don't understand what you get when you combine the words 'Malamute' and 'shedding'. Women who know have already run screaming from the room.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 08, 2019, 09:43:51 AM
No, you just don't understand what you get when you combine the words 'Malamute' and 'shedding'. Women who know have already run screaming from the room.

I can imagine.  I had a Samoyed once.  Mrs. Liberty brought a large German Shepard from Cali when she moved to Phoenix..that big boy knew how to shed.  After we replaced the carpet with tile we started getting football sized hair bunnies in the corners, which were much easier to pick up than vacuuming the carpets.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on March 08, 2019, 09:45:00 AM
No, you just don't understand what you get when you combine the words 'Malamute' and 'shedding'. Women who know have already run screaming from the room.

I agree.  I have a Great Pyrenees/Border Collie.  It's absolutely amazing.  Even in the winter time when you would think shedding would not be occurring, I have to unwind fur off of the roller every time I use the auto vacuum. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 09:58:51 AM
From where will such man-made machines glen this "super" intelligence?  That intrigues me.

By the time they get there this ASI will be able to analyze data from the quantum level to the macroscopic. Science is tending towards evidence that the universe is too well ordered to have come about by chance. I think the fear is an ASI will decide human beings are too anomalous. Too inefficient as far as operating systems go. And to make for a more perfect world, life, all life, will need to be eliminated. And the machines will rule.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 08, 2019, 10:01:33 AM
I agree.  I have a Great Pyrenees/Border Collie.  It's absolutely amazing.  Even in the winter time when you would think shedding would not be occurring, I have to unwind fur off of the roller every time I use the auto vacuum.

We have a special vacuum for cat hair. It has rubber bristles and a hurricane canister.  Even though the Castle has central vac, we'll still need the pet vac.  I think the central has some problems so I'll end up needing to disassemble the unit in the garage to see if I can find the issue.   :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on March 08, 2019, 10:08:59 AM
And to make for a more perfect world, life, all life, will need to be eliminated. And the machines will rule.

Nah.
D00d. You can unplug it. That is a crazy big handicap.

What you should be looking at is in when it gets to that point, why WON'T ppl just unplug?
And don't get me wrong, they won't.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 10:13:34 AM
Get a Yorkie.

(https://i.imgur.com/t0HKAXN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Satv8Uv.png)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on March 08, 2019, 10:14:30 AM
And, we're missing something about intelligence. Human intelligence (such as it is) is more than just running as many variables as possible and coming up with the most likely plan of success.  I'm not sure what it is that humans have that machines won't.  Maybe it's the ability to make seemingly meaningless connections and build from that? 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
Nah.
D00d. You can unplug it. That is a crazy big handicap.

What you should be looking at is in when it gets to that point, why WON'T ppl just unplug?
And don't get me wrong, they won't.

They won't. I have been trying to add enough info in this thread to show that without adding too much prophecy.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 10:17:04 AM
And, we're missing something about intelligence. Human intelligence (such as it is) is more than just running as many variables as possible and coming up with the most likely plan of success.  I'm not sure what it is that humans have that machines won't.  Maybe it's the ability to make seemingly meaningless connections and build from that?

I'm not sure what it is that humans have that machines won't.


It is called FREE WILL.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on March 08, 2019, 10:19:39 AM
I can imagine.  I had a Samoyed once.  Mrs. Liberty brought a large German Shepard from Cali when she moved to Phoenix..that big boy knew how to shed.  After we replaced the carpet with tile we started getting football sized hair bunnies in the corners, which were much easier to pick up than vacuuming the carpets.

Actually a Malamute is different. They don't shed all that bad until they do. But when they do, it is completely ridiculous. For about two weeks it is simply unreal... Like a grocery bag a day of hair. and the whole floor is gray by noon anyway... It is an amazing amount of hair. I have often threatened to card it and spin it, and knit a sweater every year, because I really do think you could, and then some.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 08, 2019, 10:27:57 AM
Actually a Malamute is different. They don't shed all that bad until they do. But when they do, it is completely ridiculous. For about two weeks it is simply unreal... Like a grocery bag a day of hair. and the whole floor is gray by noon anyway... It is an amazing amount of hair. I have often threatened to card it and spin it, and knit a sweater every year, because I really do think you could, and then some.

Yup.

(http://cdn.thebarkpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/dog_shedding_crazy.jpg)

(http://img.mylot.com/350x350/1501477.jpg)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Just to try and complete the entire scope here.

Can't have dogs without ponies. WTH kind of thread would that be?

(https://i.imgur.com/fmIuyEg.jpg)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 10:39:02 AM
Can you tell which pony is real and which one is fake?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on March 08, 2019, 10:44:09 AM
Can you tell which pony is real and which one is fake?

No, which one, Fred?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 10:51:11 AM
No, which one, Fred?

well duh. You're trying to trick me.

It is the third one in the picture. The invisible one. The one only you can see. The one that exists only in your imagination.

 :tongue2:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on March 08, 2019, 10:53:14 AM
I can imagine.  I had a Samoyed once.  Mrs. Liberty brought a large German Shepard from Cali when she moved to Phoenix..that big boy knew how to shed.  After we replaced the carpet with tile we started getting football sized hair bunnies in the corners, which were much easier to pick up than vacuuming the carpets.

@Cyber Liberty

I adore big dogs—Malamutes, Rotties, Dobermans—and Shepherds are my favorite.  My sister-in-law owned a Schutzhund Shepherd, a protection dog.  I loved him so damn much.  He was trained like a soldier, all commands in German, and heaven help you if you made a false move around the family, especially the women.  Once when a workman came into the kitchen, that baby sat down on top of my feet, facing the guy and growling until SIL called him off.   She had to vacuum every day to keep his fur from taking over.   

I’m kind of a neat freak...whenever I would sit down on the floor that big furry brat would crawl in my lap and cover me with hair.  I never minded.  I miss that dog. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 08, 2019, 11:08:58 AM
@Cyber Liberty

I adore big dogs—Malamutes, Rotties, Dobermans—and Shepherds are my favorite.  My sister-in-law owned a Schutzhund Shepherd, a protection dog.  I loved him so damn much.  He was trained like a soldier, all commands in German, and heaven help you if you made a false move around the family, especially the women.  Once when a workman came into the kitchen, that baby sat down on top of my feet, facing the guy and growling until SIL called him off.   She had to vacuum every day to keep his fur from taking over.   

I’m kind of a neat freak...whenever I would sit down on the floor that big furry brat would crawl in my lap and cover me with hair.  I never minded.  I miss that dog.

I miss my old Sammy's smile. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on March 08, 2019, 11:12:25 AM
Can you tell which pony is real

The left one.

Quote
and which one is fake?

The left one.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 08, 2019, 11:33:04 AM
The left one.

The left one.

Right.

Right.

The left one out.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 08, 2019, 12:07:30 PM
No, you just don't understand what you get when you combine the words 'Malamute' and 'shedding'. Women who know have already run screaming from the room.

That may be the case, absolutely. But I own a little fluffball with claws kitty who leaves tufts of hair all over the house, and the robot still works great picking them up, even after a decade of usage. Roombas are some of the most repairable technology out there (compared to say an Iphone/Ipad), and I've replaces quite a few parts.

One button and the thing will clean up the hair on the rug and then charge itself.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 08, 2019, 12:08:45 PM
Artificial Narrow Intelligence: ANI systems can attend to a task in real-time, but they pull information from a specific data-set. As a result, these systems don’t perform outside of the single task that they are designed to perform.

AGI: Artificial General intelligence or “Strong” AI refers to machines that exhibit human intelligence. In other words, AGI can successfully perform any intellectual task that a human being can. This is the sort of AI that we see in movies like “Her” or other sci-fi movies in which humans interact with machines and operating systems that are conscious, sentient, and driven by emotion and self-awareness.

ASI: Artificial Super Intelligence  will surpass human intelligence in all aspects — from creativity, to general wisdom, to problem-solving. Machines will be capable of exhibiting intelligence that we haven’t seen in the brightest amongst us. This is the type of AI that many people are worried about, and the type of AI that people like Elon Musk think will lead to the extinction of the human race.

Thank you for this. Yeah I don't want a robot that acts like a person. That's why I bought a robot, because people suck, lol.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on March 08, 2019, 12:32:59 PM
I miss my old Sammy's smile.

They never leave your heart.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on March 09, 2019, 04:47:27 PM
This just in!

HACKED SEX ROBOTS COULD MURDER PEOPLE, SECURITY EXPERT WARNS (https://www.newsweek.com/hacked-sex-robots-could-murder-people-767386?fbclid=IwAR0X3Y7ocS6a1dk1BQO3Kmi3vDnEHnvRMAqfWNj032kaqWlj3CyhBD_tyUc)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 12, 2019, 02:22:30 PM
iRobot: Consumer Robotics At Its Best (https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247857-irobot-consumer-robotics-best)

iRobot: Consumer Robotics At Its Best
Mar. 11, 2019 3:48 PM ET|1 comment  | About: iRobot Corporation (IRBT)
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Summary
The consumer robotics segment should have explosive growth in the next five years due to a number of factors.

This year iRobot will launch its robotic lawnmower with advance capabilities. several new versions of existing products will also be rolled out.

The product suite is excellent and provides huge cash and time savings.

iRobot already has a significant share in the market. If guidance is achieved market share will expand.

A number of competitors are out there but iRobot maintains an exclusive focus on consumer robotics.

A Growth Landscape
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 30, 2019, 09:02:41 PM
There is some information I will post concerning this thread.

Perhaps it is "off" the title.

A couple of vids. Some articles.

Say, most of it is concerning censorship, algorithms, free speech, information.

As a deep study I am a people watcher. I am a person who has a deep interest in anthropomorphism.

Yeah. I am watching you. Who has my six and which will be six deep and/or deep sixed.

You are programmed. And or still being programmed.

There is a concerted effort to align your thought process(es) to the algorithms through media. Not so much this forum. But through the consortium(s) of the big ones. Google. AKA Alphabet. Twitter. Invest the time to see who is funding who. Both @QueenCatofAragon And @Axeslinger have both made comments concerning your info input/out here/there. This is not judgmental on my part. Twitter/Facebook. You "follow" that shit all you are is a follower.

I have studied history. As a buff of the what if I call myself a friend of @Quix.

The major media platforms are in collusion to present reality, your reality, as they see fit(s). ALL of them.

Even the "old" school(s). E. Brittanica. The books we had as resource material when I was in school. It is gone. Replaced.  Wikipedia is run and edited by people who present their truth as fact. All of them are doing this. Snopes--ha ha ha choke spit.

Pundits. ha ha ha choke spit.

The age of the deepest dark is upon you. Take the time to discern the truth. I know most of you on this forum are intelligent, perceptual, and discerning.

Of all the computer programs. Of all their algorithms. Their case studies. Their whatever.

Blast me for this next all you want. It won't change the truth. It won't change me.

However you perceive the Bible. Written by someone other than G-D?, there is an algorithm embedded in the text that supersedes. Suss it out.

And then FIGHT.

Or keep on the keeping on. Your nothingness.




Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Quix on March 30, 2019, 09:09:54 PM

There is some information I will post concerning this thread.

Perhaps it is "off" the title.

A couple of vids. Some articles.

Say, most of it is concerning censorship, algorithms, free speech, information.

As a deep study I am a people watcher. I am a person who has a deep interest in anthropomorphism.

Yeah. I am watching you. Who has my six and which will be six deep and/or deep sixed.

You are programmed. And or still being programmed.

There is a concerted effort to align your thought process(es) to the algorithms through media. Not so much this forum. But through the consortium(s) of the big ones. Google. AKA Alphabet. Twitter. Invest the time to see who is funding who. Both @QueenCatofAragon And @Axeslinger have both made comments concerning your info input/out here/there. This is not judgmental on my part. Twitter/Facebook. You "follow" that shit all you are is a follower.

I have studied history. As a buff of the what if I call myself a friend of @Quix.

The major media platforms are in collusion to present reality, your reality, as they see fit(s). ALL of them.

Even the "old" school(s). E. Brittanica. The books we had as resource material when I was in school. It is gone. Replaced.  Wikipedia is run and edited by people who present their truth as fact. All of them are doing this. Snopes--ha ha ha choke spit.

Pundits. ha ha ha choke spit.

The age of the deepest dark is upon you. Take the time to discern the truth. I know most of you on this forum are intelligent, perceptual, and discerning.

Of all the computer programs. Of all their algorithms. Their case studies. Their whatever.

Blast me for this next all you want. It won't change the truth. It won't change me.

However you perceive the Bible. Written by someone other than G-D?, there is an algorithm embedded in the text that supersedes. Suss it out.

And then FIGHT.

Or keep on the keeping on. Your nothingness.



Thanks for your wise words.

Not exactly certain of what you are saying re the Bible. I'm very firmly still convinced that Heaven & Earth will pass away but God's Word will not and will remain powerful & operant through endless ages.

Am re-reading Isaiah . . . am noticing some heavenly beings and goings on verses that I didn't catch in my previous readings. Interesting. All very cryptic but still--not an aspect of conventional Christianity I've ever heard taught--except maybe by Dr Chuck Missler, L.A. Marzulli et al

Thanks for your meaty post.

I consider you a great friend. Much appreciate you. You are a treasure.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on March 30, 2019, 10:52:14 PM

Thanks for your wise words.

Not exactly certain of what you are saying re the Bible. I'm very firmly still convinced that Heaven & Earth will pass away but God's Word will not and will remain powerful & operant through endless ages.

Am re-reading Isaiah . . . am noticing some heavenly beings and goings on verses that I didn't catch in my previous readings. Interesting. All very cryptic but still--not an aspect of conventional Christianity I've ever heard taught--except maybe by Dr Chuck Missler, L.A. Marzulli et al

Thanks for your meaty post.

I consider you a great friend. Much appreciate you. You are a treasure.


There is nothing new. Or, there is nothing that is not known--merely-hmmm-written-rewritten

Ohh..men

omen ahh... men

amen

The fruition of the deceit is at hand. People say they know the difference. I am saying they don't.

The next best thing is going to take your soul. They will create life. But they cannot create a soul. Don't give it away. Don't give it away.

Now I will be judgmental. And that is an affirmation to the most man she ever felt was alive.




















Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on March 30, 2019, 11:03:16 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypszHoMJaEc&ytbChannel=JasonKT#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2019, 12:21:44 AM
There is nothing new. Or, there is nothing that is not known--merely-hmmm-written-rewritten

The fruition of the deceit is at hand. People say they know the difference. I am saying they don't.


More than you know.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on March 31, 2019, 12:56:07 AM
Both @QueenCatofAragon And @Axeslinger have both made comments concerning your info input/out here/there. This is not judgmental on my part. Twitter/Facebook. You "follow" that shit all you are is a follower.

@bigheadfred

Fred, if you're having a bad night, I'm sorry, but don't direct your shit my way, okay?  My online habits aren't your business.

Now I'm going to go tweet.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 31, 2019, 03:08:03 AM
There is some information I will post concerning this thread.

Perhaps it is "off" the title.

A couple of vids. Some articles.

Say, most of it is concerning censorship, algorithms, free speech, information.

As a deep study I am a people watcher. I am a person who has a deep interest in anthropomorphism.

Yeah. I am watching you. Who has my six and which will be six deep and/or deep sixed.

You are programmed. And or still being programmed.

There is a concerted effort to align your thought process(es) to the algorithms through media. Not so much this forum. But through the consortium(s) of the big ones. Google. AKA Alphabet. Twitter. Invest the time to see who is funding who. Both @QueenCatofAragon And @Axeslinger have both made comments concerning your info input/out here/there. This is not judgmental on my part. Twitter/Facebook. You "follow" that shit all you are is a follower.

I have studied history. As a buff of the what if I call myself a friend of @Quix.

The major media platforms are in collusion to present reality, your reality, as they see fit(s). ALL of them.

Even the "old" school(s). E. Brittanica. The books we had as resource material when I was in school. It is gone. Replaced.  Wikipedia is run and edited by people who present their truth as fact. All of them are doing this. Snopes--ha ha ha choke spit.

Pundits. ha ha ha choke spit.

The age of the deepest dark is upon you. Take the time to discern the truth. I know most of you on this forum are intelligent, perceptual, and discerning.

Of all the computer programs. Of all their algorithms. Their case studies. Their whatever.

Blast me for this next all you want. It won't change the truth. It won't change me.

However you perceive the Bible. Written by someone other than G-D?, there is an algorithm embedded in the text that supersedes. Suss it out.

And then FIGHT.

Or keep on the keeping on. Your nothingness.
People don't know enough about what they don't know to ask a question, even if they knew they didn't know it.
Me, the more I learn, the less I know. Every answer brings more questions.
But behind it all is that light, that universal truth, that does not change.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Axeslinger on March 31, 2019, 09:29:46 AM
@bigheadfred

Fred, if you're having a bad night, I'm sorry, but don't direct your shit my way, okay?  My online habits aren't your business.

Now I'm going to go tweet.
@QueenCatofAragon  I couldn’t even understand what the hell he was saying...and I certainly don’t know how I got dragged into it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on March 31, 2019, 03:04:53 PM
@QueenCatofAragon  I couldn’t even understand what the hell he was saying...and I certainly don’t know how I got dragged into it.

@Axeslinger

I just don’t have a lot of patience with this conspiracy stuff anymore.  It’s becoming way too common.  Elsewhere I saw someone claim that Clinton bathes in the blood of infants to stay young (well, it ain’t working!).  Someone challenged her on it and she screamed that she was going to doxx him.  We have got to get a grip.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 01, 2019, 07:53:50 PM
@bigheadfred

Fred, if you're having a bad night, I'm sorry, but don't direct your shit my way, okay?  My online habits aren't your business.

Now I'm going to go tweet.

Twitter can cause information overload. Too much going on to put it into coherency.

You are correct. Get a grip.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 01, 2019, 09:29:42 PM
Twitter can cause information overload. Too much going on to put it into coherency.

You are correct. Get a grip.


@bigheadfred

Did I stutter?  Mind your business, Fred.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 01, 2019, 09:36:32 PM

@bigheadfred

Did I stutter?  Mind your business, Fred.

 :tongue2:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 01, 2019, 10:44:52 PM
:tongue2:

You like putting me in the sights, don’t you 🤨😂
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2019, 07:08:43 PM
You like putting me in the sights, don’t you 🤨😂

No, you misunderstand. Both you and @Axeslinger made a comment or comments in relation to the visibility of TBR compared to Twitter or other sites.

What I am trying to tell you is that immersion into huge social media platforms can cause a process that ANY person's brain can't keep up with or compute.

There is a concerted effort on the part of the MSM, Facebook, Twitter, Wikipedia, etc. to only allow content that fits their rules. But no one knows what those rules really are.

It is a part of this thread to suggest those media platforms are using or will figure out how to sway people's minds to "their" way of thinking.

I should keep files like @Bigun does. Too many things going down a bottomless rabbit hole never to be seen again. Something I noticed ten or twelve years ago researching info on a subject that is now taboo. Posting over at TOS.

I am replying on this thread to comments made on other threads I deem relevant.

Mind my own business? Don't post comments anywhere if you think a reply is some sort of attack.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2019, 07:16:18 PM
People need to wake up to dangers of AI, warns Hong Kong professor and Google ethics adviser

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi6y_3rxLLhAhWD_1QKHTc0DMEQFjABegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scmp.com%2Ftech%2Fbig-tech%2Farticle%2F3004340%2Fpeople-need-wake-dangers-ai-warns-hong-kong-professor-and-google&usg=AOvVaw3Ge7K9Y-UXxNSGpY994VYL (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi6y_3rxLLhAhWD_1QKHTc0DMEQFjABegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scmp.com%2Ftech%2Fbig-tech%2Farticle%2F3004340%2Fpeople-need-wake-dangers-ai-warns-hong-kong-professor-and-google&usg=AOvVaw3Ge7K9Y-UXxNSGpY994VYL)

De Kai was named by Google as one of eight members of its Advanced Technology External Advisory Council on AI

With artificial intelligence gradually creeping into more areas of human existence, from surveillance to health scans to McDonald’s menus, one Hong Kong professor has added his voice to those such as Tesla founder Elon Musk that advise humanity to tread cautiously with the new technology.

“AI is the single most disruptive force that humanity has ever encountered and my concern is that so much of the discussion that we hear about now is very incremental,” said De Kai, a professor at the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, in an interview this week. “We are near an era when people can easily produce weapons such as fleets of armed AI drones … the cat is out of the bag.”

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2019, 07:34:49 PM
Do we get to pick the human?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2019, 08:16:32 PM
Do we get to pick the human?

Nope. It was decided on before we had a choice.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on April 02, 2019, 09:20:47 PM
People need to wake up to dangers of AI, warns Hong Kong professor and Google ethics adviser

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi6y_3rxLLhAhWD_1QKHTc0DMEQFjABegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scmp.com%2Ftech%2Fbig-tech%2Farticle%2F3004340%2Fpeople-need-wake-dangers-ai-warns-hong-kong-professor-and-google&usg=AOvVaw3Ge7K9Y-UXxNSGpY994VYL (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi6y_3rxLLhAhWD_1QKHTc0DMEQFjABegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scmp.com%2Ftech%2Fbig-tech%2Farticle%2F3004340%2Fpeople-need-wake-dangers-ai-warns-hong-kong-professor-and-google&usg=AOvVaw3Ge7K9Y-UXxNSGpY994VYL)

De Kai was named by Google as one of eight members of its Advanced Technology External Advisory Council on AI

With artificial intelligence gradually creeping into more areas of human existence, from surveillance to health scans to McDonald’s menus, one Hong Kong professor has added his voice to those such as Tesla founder Elon Musk that advise humanity to tread cautiously with the new technology.

“AI is the single most disruptive force that humanity has ever encountered and my concern is that so much of the discussion that we hear about now is very incremental,” said De Kai, a professor at the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, in an interview this week. “We are near an era when people can easily produce weapons such as fleets of armed AI drones … the cat is out of the bag.”

Oh, that is rich.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2019, 09:32:02 PM
There are some vids out there. Joe Rogan interviewing Alex Jones.  Jones admits to being caught up in a psychosis of conspiracy theories.

I submit their is also a like psychosis people have by being followers of mass media.

This thread isn't meant to propose some offhand conspiracy. It is in your face. See it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2019, 09:38:21 PM
Oh, that is rich.

He is talking AI. Not some of his other things. He wants to die on Mars. Let him.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on April 02, 2019, 09:41:29 PM
He is talking AI. Not some of his other things. He wants to die on Mars. Let him.

A cautionary warning about AI from a guy whose "self driving" cars tend to kill people?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2019, 09:48:28 PM
A cautionary warning about AI from a guy whose "self driving" cars tend to kill people?

Caveat Emptor.  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 03, 2019, 12:13:26 AM
No, you misunderstand. Both you and @Axeslinger made a comment or comments in relation to the visibility of TBR compared to Twitter or other sites.

What I am trying to tell you is that immersion into huge social media platforms can cause a process that ANY person's brain can't keep up with or compute.

There is a concerted effort on the part of the MSM, Facebook, Twitter, Wikipedia, etc. to only allow content that fits their rules. But no one knows what those rules really are.

It is a part of this thread to suggest those media platforms are using or will figure out how to sway people's minds to "their" way of thinking.

I should keep files like @Bigun does. Too many things going down a bottomless rabbit hole never to be seen again. Something I noticed ten or twelve years ago researching info on a subject that is now taboo. Posting over at TOS.

I am replying on this thread to comments made on other threads I deem relevant.

Mind my own business? Don't post comments anywhere if you think a reply is some sort of attack.

I don’t think it’s an attack, but when people get caught up in conspiracy stuff, they tend to not take no for an answer when others say they’re not interested.   That was about the fourth time you’ve had one of your bad periods and pinged me for a rebuke of some kind.  I have no idea why, but I didn’t respond before.  But I wasn’t in the mood for the conspiracy shilling.  That hasn’t changed. 

You say mass media causes psychosis.  Who knows, probably.  Sealing yourself up in a bubble can have the same effect.  Going down internet rabbit holes and immersing yourself in conspiracies absolutely causes psychosis.

 You need proof?  Go on Twitter (yeah I know) and try to have a reasonable conversation with anyone in the Qanon tags.  Hillary Clinton harvests adrenochrome from infants’ glands and snorts it to get high, then bathes in their blood and eats their bodies for dinner.  It’s all recycled Protocols of the Elders of Zion garbage—anti-semitism of the worst kind is rife in Qanon land.  They’ll tell you about the synagogue of Satan.  Also that JFK Jr. has been alive all along and is hiding out to help Trump save the world.  Yesterday a video turned up in my feed—a woman ranting that Obama ordered 65,000 hot dogs delivered to the White House, only they weren’t hot dogs because everyone knows that’s pedophile code for children.

Just a couple of days ago, Q let his fans know that soon he’ll reveal information about a secret race of reptilian humanoid hybrids who exist on earth.  They’ll lap it up and they won’t question it.  I might consider them pathetic, but it’s very hard to feel any sympathy for (supposed) thinking adults who even entertain such insanity, much less fall headlong into it.

It’s a crazy, insane cult, but I wouldn’t care if it weren’t so prevalent.  Go look at the line outside Trump’s last rally.  It was filled with people wearing Q shirts.  When Trump used his hands, they said he was tracing a Q in the air as coded messages.  Yesterday the Twitter account for the Unplanned movie (pro-life) tweeted out Q crap. This lunatic shit is in danger of taking over the right.  It’s concerning.  You aren’t aware because you believe in staying in a safe little bubble. 

The shyster, PrayingMedic, who’s likely behind it, is making out selling “healing classes”.  And books instructing you on astral projection (pure occultism) and how you can fly to the heavenly court and pick out your angel lawyer to argue your case before God.  If you think I’m making it up, just google.  I saw a video of the guy being interviewed by that nut Bill Mitchell.   His eyes were darting all over the place every time he was asked a question—a classic sign of someone lying his ass off.  He finished up with a threat to doxx people who challenge Q. 

Meanwhile his cult members continue to isolate themselves and drive away their families so that the only ones left to them are fellow cult members in cyberspace.  They spend their time chasing down make work clues to nothing, hoping for mass executions in the streets, and making bad-quality memes, like the kind you see at TOS, because Q told them memes are warfare.   None of the BS deadlines ever pan out, but that doesn’t matter.  They’re too invested.  And that’s how cults work.

Personally?  I think we’re being softened up.  I think it really got started with the slavish devotion the left had for Obama, and continued with the same on the right for Trump.  Now you see large numbers buying into stuff so deranged it wouldn’t make a good movie.  You know how the Bible says even the elect will be deceived?  If Obama was godlike, and Trump a global savior from nightmare evildoers, what do you think will happen when the AntiChrist shows up?  People will snap to and fall right in line.

So when I see this crazy shit taking over, I have zero patience with it.  You really should be careful, Fred.  Fear is the driving force that causes people to withdraw from the world into their safe shell.  It’s the reason they magnify politicians into supernatural demons and larger than life heroes who will save them.   You’re headed toward a dark place that’s not healthy.  God is still in control. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 03, 2019, 09:13:22 PM
Quote
Personally?  I think we’re being softened up.  I think it really got started with the slavish devotion the left had for Obama

Bush 2 really pulled the stops on the bullshit.

I don't follow Q. I don't follow Trump. I follow one thing.

I spend quite a bit of time reading. Some very interesting things out of print. Exorcized from the internet.

I'm not the one who needs to be careful (of myself). It is something else.

I wish for you the best.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 04, 2019, 07:24:25 AM
I don’t think it’s an attack, but when people get caught up in conspiracy stuff, they tend to not take no for an answer when others say they’re not interested.   That was about the fourth time you’ve had one of your bad periods and pinged me for a rebuke of some kind.  I have no idea why, but I didn’t respond before.  But I wasn’t in the mood for the conspiracy shilling.  That hasn’t changed. 

You say mass media causes psychosis.  Who knows, probably.  Sealing yourself up in a bubble can have the same effect.  Going down internet rabbit holes and immersing yourself in conspiracies absolutely causes psychosis.

 You need proof?  Go on Twitter (yeah I know) and try to have a reasonable conversation with anyone in the Qanon tags.  Hillary Clinton harvests adrenochrome from infants’ glands and snorts it to get high, then bathes in their blood and eats their bodies for dinner.  It’s all recycled Protocols of the Elders of Zion garbage—anti-semitism of the worst kind is rife in Qanon land.  They’ll tell you about the synagogue of Satan.  Also that JFK Jr. has been alive all along and is hiding out to help Trump save the world.  Yesterday a video turned up in my feed—a woman ranting that Obama ordered 65,000 hot dogs delivered to the White House, only they weren’t hot dogs because everyone knows that’s pedophile code for children.

Just a couple of days ago, Q let his fans know that soon he’ll reveal information about a secret race of reptilian humanoid hybrids who exist on earth.  They’ll lap it up and they won’t question it.  I might consider them pathetic, but it’s very hard to feel any sympathy for (supposed) thinking adults who even entertain such insanity, much less fall headlong into it.

It’s a crazy, insane cult, but I wouldn’t care if it weren’t so prevalent.  Go look at the line outside Trump’s last rally.  It was filled with people wearing Q shirts.  When Trump used his hands, they said he was tracing a Q in the air as coded messages.  Yesterday the Twitter account for the Unplanned movie (pro-life) tweeted out Q crap. This lunatic shit is in danger of taking over the right.  It’s concerning.  You aren’t aware because you believe in staying in a safe little bubble. 

The shyster, PrayingMedic, who’s likely behind it, is making out selling “healing classes”.  And books instructing you on astral projection (pure occultism) and how you can fly to the heavenly court and pick out your angel lawyer to argue your case before God.  If you think I’m making it up, just google.  I saw a video of the guy being interviewed by that nut Bill Mitchell.   His eyes were darting all over the place every time he was asked a question—a classic sign of someone lying his ass off.  He finished up with a threat to doxx people who challenge Q. 

Meanwhile his cult members continue to isolate themselves and drive away their families so that the only ones left to them are fellow cult members in cyberspace.  They spend their time chasing down make work clues to nothing, hoping for mass executions in the streets, and making bad-quality memes, like the kind you see at TOS, because Q told them memes are warfare.   None of the BS deadlines ever pan out, but that doesn’t matter.  They’re too invested.  And that’s how cults work.

Personally?  I think we’re being softened up.  I think it really got started with the slavish devotion the left had for Obama, and continued with the same on the right for Trump.  Now you see large numbers buying into stuff so deranged it wouldn’t make a good movie.  You know how the Bible says even the elect will be deceived?  If Obama was godlike, and Trump a global savior from nightmare evildoers, what do you think will happen when the AntiChrist shows up?  People will snap to and fall right in line.

So when I see this crazy shit taking over, I have zero patience with it.  You really should be careful, Fred.  Fear is the driving force that causes people to withdraw from the world into their safe shell.  It’s the reason they magnify politicians into supernatural demons and larger than life heroes who will save them.   You’re headed toward a dark place that’s not healthy.  God is still in control.

I think this is exaggerated. I clicked on the #qanon and #qanons hashtag in Twatter, 90% of the posts were anti-Qanon.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 04, 2019, 08:49:24 PM
I think this is exaggerated. I clicked on the #qanon and #qanons hashtag in Twatter, 90% of the posts were anti-Qanon.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

It isn't.  Anti-Q people usually post under that tag, I guess because it's the one that comes to mind.  The Qers have a list of hashtags/slogans--#TheStormIsComing, #TheStormIsUponUs, @QSentMe, #Qarmy, #GreatAwakening, #WWG1WGA (where we go one we go all), #MAGA.  They can be found posting under those.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 04, 2019, 08:54:41 PM
@Weird Tolkienish Figure

It isn't.  Anti-Q people usually post under that tag, I guess because it's the one that comes to mind.  The Qers have a list of hashtags/slogans--#TheStormIsComing, #TheStormIsUponUs, @QSentMe, #Qarmy, #GreatAwakening, #WWG1WGA (where we go one we go all), #MAGA.  They can be found posting under those.

Thanks for proving me right.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 04, 2019, 08:56:57 PM
Thanks for proving me right.

@bigheadfred

I have no idea what you mean. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 04, 2019, 09:17:03 PM
@bigheadfred

I have no idea what you mean.

I know. That is because you are looking in the other direction.

So you can't see what I see. I can't tell you, I can't warn you. I can't help you. Turn around.

Precisely you have spent enough time on Twitter to "know" the hashtags. You've done the research.  You've forgotten yourself. Good for you.



Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on April 04, 2019, 09:23:36 PM
I'd rather kill this thread.   :MiniGun:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: EdJames on April 04, 2019, 09:39:27 PM
I'd rather kill this thread.   :MiniGun:

It certainly is a gem.   :whistle:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 04, 2019, 09:46:42 PM
I'd rather kill this thread.   :MiniGun:

Tell me how.

Not locked.

Deleted.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 04, 2019, 09:49:03 PM
@mystery-ak  @Cyber Liberty ,

Tell me how to delete this thread.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 04, 2019, 10:00:52 PM
@mystery-ak  @Cyber Liberty ,

Tell me how to delete this thread.

Why would you want to do that for, @bigheadfred?  There are a lot of Member posts....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 04, 2019, 10:10:26 PM
I know. That is because you are looking in the other direction.

So you can't see what I see. I can't tell you, I can't warn you. I can't help you. Turn around.

Precisely you have spent enough time on Twitter to "know" the hashtags. You've done the research.  You've forgotten yourself. Good for you.

@bigheadfred

I’m on Twitter most days.  Also Tumblr.  Also Instagram.  Guess I’m doomed, huh?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 04, 2019, 11:04:11 PM
@bigheadfred

I’m on Twitter most days.  Also Tumblr.  Also Instagram.  Guess I’m doomed, huh?

And that makes you a better person how?

I'm serious.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 05, 2019, 08:25:36 AM
@bigheadfred

I’m on Twitter most days.  Also Tumblr.  Also Instagram.  Guess I’m doomed, huh?

Twitter is a horrible place filled with awful people. I stay away personally.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 05, 2019, 08:53:11 AM
And that makes you a better person how?

I'm serious.

Lol, it doesn’t.  Just like posting here doesn’t make me a better person.  It’s all just people using one platform or another to yak at each other.   You filter out what you don’t want and you make use of what you like.  Sometimes you engage with ideas you disagree with, and that’s a good thing.  I agree with Dana Loesch when she said conservatives need to get past the tendency to dismiss & run from social media.  Nothing is going to get changed by holing up in a safe echo chamber. 

I’ve been on Tumblr for years.  It’s known as an outlet for sjws but it’s a lot more than that.  The site is fantastic for graphics, art, aesthetics.  It’s helped me get back into writing and, hopefully, drawing if I ever master the digital art app I bought.  I have good friends there, some from other countries. 

I signed up on Instagram because a friend wanted me to, posted a few pics, followed a few people, and that’s about it.  I pop into the app every day to scroll through my feed and like whatever. 

Twitter is for news, for some of the people I know from Tumblr, and for pricking morons if I’m in the mood.  My favorite thing is the animal feeds and stupid humor accounts. 

All of those platforms have value.  I control how I use them and how much time I allow them.  When I sign up anywhere, I never use my real name, including as a username,  and when asked for a birthdate to register I make one up.  I’m telling you all of this not to justify my usage, but to explain that social media is not wholly malignant.  You’re taking it far too seriously.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 05, 2019, 08:56:15 AM
Twitter is a horrible place filled with awful people. I stay away personally.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Yeah, it’s true, but the reverse is also true.  Haven’t I seen you there lately?  I follow you, lol.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 05, 2019, 10:02:08 AM
@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Yeah, it’s true, but the reverse is also true.  Haven’t I seen you there lately?  I follow you, lol.

Well... I try to stay away I must say. But I stand by the rest of what I say.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 05, 2019, 11:32:23 AM
Well... I try to stay away I must say. But I stand by the rest of what I say.

Like I said, I agree.  But there’s a good side to it, too, same as wherever humans gather.  There was the guy with the bakery whose son helped him get business.  I’ve seen missing people located, criminals found, pets brought home.  James Woods devotes a lot of his time to that kind of stuff.  He and others were fantastic during the most recent wildfires in California.  People had no way to evacuate their horses, and Twitter organized chains of people with trailers to get them out.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 06, 2019, 02:03:27 AM
Like I said, I agree.  But there’s a good side to it, too, same as wherever humans gather.  There was the guy with the bakery whose son helped him get business.  I’ve seen missing people located, criminals found, pets brought home.  James Woods devotes a lot of his time to that kind of stuff.  He and others were fantastic during the most recent wildfires in California.  People had no way to evacuate their horses, and Twitter organized chains of people with trailers to get them out.

Yeah. It is a parade.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 06, 2019, 02:39:53 AM
This is an info thread.

On a Forum.


fo·rum
/ˈfôrəm/
noun
noun: forum; plural noun: forums; plural noun: fora

    1.
    a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/27/18242834/delivery-robot-fedex-sameday-bot-autonomous-trials (https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/27/18242834/delivery-robot-fedex-sameday-bot-autonomous-trials)


Stupid people doing stupid shit.

@Sanguine  @QueenCatofAragon @Weird Tolkienish Figure

No people to people.

Get on your virtual MD app. Order all yout shit on line. But be so aware and prevalent with Twitter, FB, Instagram, Tumblr. Steemit, Youtube,

Get on your getting on. Without ever having to talk to a person. Face to face.


Trials of the robot, which has a top speed of 10 mph, will begin later this year


From where I work over to the hospital where my wife is at is big stupid loop. There was a guy going down the sidewalk in a motorized wheelchair. He had a sign on the back. Top speed:
3 1/2 MPH.

LOL. A man that lives. In the world where he is not worthy. Dead meat.

Why don't we machine gun his ass down so Fedex can get by to deliver your shit? @Sanguine @Cyber Liberty

Why don't we machine gun down all the people who NEED to pass him by?

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 06, 2019, 07:17:55 AM
Fred, you aren’t making sense.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 06, 2019, 11:12:16 AM
Fred, you aren’t making sense.

It was late and he's worried about the Missus. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 06, 2019, 11:18:40 AM
Why don't we machine gun his ass down so Fedex can get by to deliver your shit? @Sanguine @Cyber Liberty

Why don't we machine gun down all the people who NEED to pass him by?

I never thought of it in those terms. :shrug:

Up here at the Castle the only access is a driveway, a couple hundred feet of steep incline.  Motorized wheelchairs can't climb it.  It's the next-best thing to a moat.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/G1nNVo8kAcXE4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 06, 2019, 11:21:36 AM
I never thought of it in those terms. :shrug:

Up here at the Castle the only access is a driveway, a couple hundred feet of steep incline.  Motorized wheelchairs can't climb it.  It's the next-best thing to a moat.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/G1nNVo8kAcXE4/giphy.gif)
Well,, come the apocalypse, you're safe from zombies with mobility issues...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 06, 2019, 11:31:07 AM
Well,, come the apocalypse, you're safe from zombies with mobility issues...

As long as the ammo holds out, yes.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 06, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
As long as the ammo holds out, yes.
Just stack a few logs at the top of the drive, and some nice (big) round rocks.....zombie bowling could catch on after Z-day.... :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on April 06, 2019, 08:38:20 PM
Well,, come the apocalypse, you're safe from zombies with mobility issues...

Today I'm re-reading The Zombie Survival Guide.  One of the things that is covered in the sections on terrain types is how dangerous the ones with mobility issues (broken backs, missing legs, etc) are, because you are liable not to see them in high grass, shallow water, etc, since they will be crawling/dragging along the ground.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 07, 2019, 02:38:42 AM
Today I'm re-reading The Zombie Survival Guide.  One of the things that is covered in the sections on terrain types is how dangerous the ones with mobility issues (broken backs, missing legs, etc) are, because you are liable not to see them in high grass, shallow water, etc, since they will be crawling/dragging along the ground.
You need the sort of obstacle which will impale or otherwise cause them to lose that slithering mobility.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 17, 2019, 09:10:20 PM
Horseshit alert.

How tech's white male workforce feeds bias into AI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjig9umuNjhAhWLhFQKHVA1BF4QxfQBMAR6BAgEEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fai-bias-problem-techs-white-male-workforce%2F&usg=AOvVaw1rvfv9EeYjTL_Jjk96gbmz (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjig9umuNjhAhWLhFQKHVA1BF4QxfQBMAR6BAgEEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fai-bias-problem-techs-white-male-workforce%2F&usg=AOvVaw1rvfv9EeYjTL_Jjk96gbmz)

hahahaha

spit






Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 18, 2019, 02:08:37 AM
Horseshit alert.

How tech's white male workforce feeds bias into AI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjig9umuNjhAhWLhFQKHVA1BF4QxfQBMAR6BAgEEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fai-bias-problem-techs-white-male-workforce%2F&usg=AOvVaw1rvfv9EeYjTL_Jjk96gbmz (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjig9umuNjhAhWLhFQKHVA1BF4QxfQBMAR6BAgEEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fai-bias-problem-techs-white-male-workforce%2F&usg=AOvVaw1rvfv9EeYjTL_Jjk96gbmz)

hahahaha

spit
888high58888
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on April 18, 2019, 10:02:16 AM
Horseshit alert.

How tech's white male workforce feeds bias into AI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjig9umuNjhAhWLhFQKHVA1BF4QxfQBMAR6BAgEEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fai-bias-problem-techs-white-male-workforce%2F&usg=AOvVaw1rvfv9EeYjTL_Jjk96gbmz (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjig9umuNjhAhWLhFQKHVA1BF4QxfQBMAR6BAgEEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fai-bias-problem-techs-white-male-workforce%2F&usg=AOvVaw1rvfv9EeYjTL_Jjk96gbmz)

hahahaha

spit

@bigheadfred

Dam crackawear bees bigititted,'n sheit!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2019, 10:13:39 PM
@bigheadfred

Dam crackawear bees bigititted,'n sheit!

Fadizzle.

I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb... and I also know that I'm not blonde.

Dolly Parton

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2019, 10:18:21 PM
"artificial" 

hahahahaha

feigned, insincere, false, affected, mannered, unnatural, stilted, contrived, pretended, put-on, exaggerated, actorly, overdone, overripe, forced, labored, strained, hollow, spurious....

"intelligence"

hahahahahaha
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2019, 10:21:27 PM
New York Slimes alert

The Battle Over Artificial Intelligence

"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/opinion/letters/artificial-intelligence.html"


Your reporting on the use of facial recognition in China for “minority identification” is a stark reminder that the battle over the future of artificial intelligence will not simply be about who gathers the top scientists or who is first to innovate. It will also be about who is able to preserve fundamental rights during a period of rapidly changing technology.

The White House has already made some progress on this front, highlighting American values, including privacy and civil liberties, in an executive order earlier this year, and backing an important international framework at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. But there is much more to be done.

The United States must work with other democratic countries to establish red lines for certain A.I. applications and ensure fairness, accountability and transparency as A.I. systems are deployed.

The administration should open the American policy process to ensure that the voice of civil society is heard. And the United States should be prepared to make oppressive uses of A.I. a trade issue that could trigger sanctions and more.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on May 19, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
Coming of Age in the Age of AI: The First Fully Digital Generation

The first generation to grow up entirely in the 21st century will never remember a time before smartphones or smart assistants. They will likely be the first children to ride in self-driving cars, as well as the first whose healthcare and education could be increasingly turned over to artificially intelligent machines.

Futurists, demographers, and marketers have yet to agree on the specifics of what defines the next wave of humanity to follow Generation Z. That hasn’t stopped some, like Australian futurist Mark McCrindle, from coining the term Generation Alpha, denoting a sort of reboot of society in a fully-realized digital age.

https://singularityhub.com/2019/05/14/coming-of-age-in-the-age-of-ai-the-first-fully-digital-generation/
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 19, 2019, 04:49:17 PM
Coming of Age in the Age of AI: The First Fully Digital Generation

The first generation to grow up entirely in the 21st century will never remember a time before smartphones or smart assistants. They will likely be the first children to ride in self-driving cars, as well as the first whose healthcare and education could be increasingly turned over to artificially intelligent machines.

Futurists, demographers, and marketers have yet to agree on the specifics of what defines the next wave of humanity to follow Generation Z. That hasn’t stopped some, like Australian futurist Mark McCrindle, from coining the term Generation Alpha, denoting a sort of reboot of society in a fully-realized digital age.

https://singularityhub.com/2019/05/14/coming-of-age-in-the-age-of-ai-the-first-fully-digital-generation/

The way things are going it's looking more like we've seen the last generation to grow up entirely.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on May 19, 2019, 05:10:43 PM
The way things are going it's looking more like we've seen the last generation to grow up entirely.

They will become what they need to.  I have no idea what that will be though.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on May 24, 2019, 11:16:56 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NhFYg_xuI0#)

This posting took many attempts. Weird. It is still saying there is a playback error.

?

Millions of "people" flooding this country with no skills. Millions of robots taking away MY opportunities.

Soylent Green New Deal.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on June 05, 2019, 09:41:23 PM
Where does your faith reside? Do you have it at all? Do you have the power of discernment?

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsr8P2VNF-E#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on June 05, 2019, 09:59:40 PM
Hat tip to @Sanguine

Millions of people with nothing to do and all day to do it. Millions more coming in.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,364027.msg1983773.html#msg1983773 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,364027.msg1983773.html#msg1983773)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on June 15, 2019, 03:57:11 AM
Their is evidence that all life is artificially created.

made by human skill; produced by humans (opposed to natural): artificial flowers.
imitation; simulated; sham: artificial vanilla flavoring.
lacking naturalness or spontaneity; forced; contrived; feigned: an artificial smile.
full of affectation; affected; stilted: artificial manners; artificial speech.
made without regard to the particular needs of a situation, person, etc.; imposed arbitrarily; unnatural: artificial rules for dormitory residents.
Biology. based on arbitrary, superficial characteristics rather than natural, organic relationships:

YAWHEW

Fake that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 15, 2019, 04:04:02 AM
Well, I can swat a fly (it's getting harder, those buggers are fast...)

But I can't make one.

Nor do I know any human who can.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on June 15, 2019, 04:35:49 AM
Well, I can swat a fly (it's getting harder, those buggers are fast...)

But I can't make one.

Nor do I know any human who can.

Robot thread. Humans can make them. Maybe I haven't included the "fly on the wall" tech articles here.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on June 15, 2019, 05:05:19 AM
@Smokin Joe

Did the get the shopping part out tonite. Father's Day and our 33rd anniversary. Point being, the spot we went to. We go there two or five times a year. It is a restaurant/microbrew and I did indulge in a "Cream Ale". I asked our waiter if they had cameras in the place and he said yeah, 22. And all I mean by that is if I hand a five to the waiter it is meant for that waiter at service and not going to be some back biting bitch. Why they give you 5? Why you don't report that?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on June 15, 2019, 09:36:39 AM
Happy Father's Day, @bigheadfred and @Smokin Joe
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 15, 2019, 04:13:56 PM
Happy Father's Day, @bigheadfred and @Smokin Joe.
Thanks!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 15, 2019, 04:14:56 PM
@Smokin Joe

Did the get the shopping part out tonite. Father's Day and our 33rd anniversary. Point being, the spot we went to. We go there two or five times a year. It is a restaurant/microbrew and I did indulge in a "Cream Ale". I asked our waiter if they had cameras in the place and he said yeah, 22. And all I mean by that is if I hand a five to the waiter it is meant for that waiter at service and not going to be some back biting bitch. Why they give you 5? Why you don't report that?
It pays to know what we called the "union handshake", used to transfer small amounts of paper or material with a mere shake of the hand.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 15, 2019, 04:17:13 PM
Robot thread. Humans can make them. Maybe I haven't included the "fly on the wall" tech articles here.
Do they eat sh*t and make maggots?

Like the old joke about some guy who told God he could do everything He could.

God reached down and scooped up a bit of dirt, breathed on it and a bluebird flew away.

The guy said "No problem", and reached down....

God said " That's cheating, make your own dirt."

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 07:41:30 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YURiqK9mYcE#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 07:46:02 PM
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190701144639.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190701144639.htm)

Brain network evaluates robot likeability

Researchers have identified a network of brain regions that work together to determine if a robot is a worthy social partner, according to a new study published in JNeurosci.

Using functional magnetic resonance imaging, Astrid Rosenthal-von der Pütten, Fabien Grabenhorst and colleagues evaluated brain activity from the prefrontal cortex and amygdala as human participants scored images of robots on their likability, familiarly, and human-likeness. The participants also chose the robot from which they would prefer to receive a gift, indicating their social value.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 07:53:02 PM
This one has more info than the last post.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190701144308.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190701144308.htm)

Robots that are not quite life-like: 'Uncanny valley' in the brain

Scientists have identified mechanisms in the human brain that could help explain the phenomenon of the 'Uncanny Valley' -- the unsettling feeling we get from robots and virtual agents that are too human-like. They have also shown that some people respond more adversely to human-like agents than others.

As technology improves, so too does our ability to create life-like artificial agents, such as robots and computer graphics -- but this can be a double-edged sword.

"Resembling the human shape or behaviour can be both an advantage and a drawback," explains Professor Astrid Rosenthal-von der Pütten, Chair for Individual and Technology at RWTH Aachen University. "The likeability of an artificial agent increases the more human-like it becomes, but only up to a point: sometimes people seem not to like it when the robot or computer graphic becomes too human-like."

This phenomenon was first described in 1978 by robotics professor Masahiro Mori, who coined an expression in Japanese that went on to be translated as the 'Uncanny Valley'.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 08:39:06 PM
This video has some laughs. Cats are born with this innate sense.

As people interface more and more with AI tech, at what point do you lose your fear of snakes? At what point do you not even know what a snake is?

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7vML9C3PZk#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 08, 2019, 09:19:57 PM
A bunch of good posts here today, @bigheadfred!  Looks like you've been reading...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 09:24:15 PM
A bunch of good posts here today, @bigheadfred!  Looks like you've been reading...

I read all the time. Too lazy to post.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 08, 2019, 09:24:25 PM
This video has some laughs. Cats are born with this innate sense.

HAH! We did that with a rubber snake when I was a boy

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As people interface more and more with AI tech, at what point do you lose your fear of snakes? At what point do you not even know what a snake is?


Already so. Most folks live in a plastic, climate-controlled box, and never venture forth. Wouldn't know how. AI just sucks em in a little further.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 09:29:06 PM
Adding this thread, @Sanguine

I think it has relevance here.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,367778.msg2005810.html#msg2005810 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,367778.msg2005810.html#msg2005810)

Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says you should get off Facebook because 'there's almost no way to stop' companies from spying on your habits
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 08, 2019, 09:32:37 PM
HAH! We did that with a rubber snake when I was a boy

Already so. Most folks live in a plastic, climate-controlled box, and never venture forth. Wouldn't know how. AI just sucks em in a little further.

Do you know that goats aren't afraid of rubber snakes?  I bought some very realistic ones that scare guests but the goats just lay down and sleep on them.  I was hoping to keep the snakes off the porch, but so far, no go.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 08, 2019, 09:33:34 PM
Adding this thread, @Sanguine

I think it has relevance here.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,367778.msg2005810.html#msg2005810 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,367778.msg2005810.html#msg2005810)

Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says you should get off Facebook because 'there's almost no way to stop' companies from spying on your habits

Thanks, Fred.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
Do you know that goats aren't afraid of rubber snakes?  I bought some very realistic ones that scare guests but the goats just lay down and sleep on them.  I was hoping to keep the snakes off the porch, but so far, no go.

That is a very strange comment. I think I need to consult with my ferret.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 08, 2019, 09:42:37 PM
Do you know that goats aren't afraid of rubber snakes?  I bought some very realistic ones that scare guests but the goats just lay down and sleep on them.  I was hoping to keep the snakes off the porch, but so far, no go.

Keep the goats off the porch you mean?

Snakes ain't a thing for me. All we have here are garter snakes.
But I can tell you that guinea hens are hell on snakes.
Ticks too... Which we do got.

We put a broody hen over half a dozen guinea hen eggs a year...
They roam free, but we usually lose six or so a year to predators.

You won;t have snakes... or if you do, you will know about it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 08, 2019, 09:56:24 PM
Keep the goats off the porch you mean?

Snakes ain't a thing for me. All we have here are garter snakes.
But I can tell you that guinea hens are hell on snakes.
Ticks too... Which we do got.

We put a broody hen over half a dozen guinea hen eggs a year...
They roam free, but we usually lose six or so a year to predators.

You won;t have snakes... or if you do, you will know about it.

You won't have anyone sneak up on you either.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 08, 2019, 09:59:45 PM
You won't have anyone sneak up on you either.

And you won't be sleeping in, too.
For some reason, them dang guineas always wind up bedded down right under my bedroom window

 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 10:03:34 PM
You won't have anyone sneak up on you either.

@roamer_1

My grandma used to keep some peacocks around.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 08, 2019, 10:08:39 PM
 :bigsilly:

Sorry about that.  I now have rubber snakes AND goats on the porch.  Trying to cut it down to just rubber snakes.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 08, 2019, 10:17:07 PM
:bigsilly:

Sorry about that.  I now have rubber snakes AND goats on the porch.  Trying to cut it down to just rubber snakes.

NP.
Dogs.
The only thing the dogs let on the porch are the house cats. Not even the barn cats, which I find amazing, that they understand the difference.
 Doesn't take much to teach the dog the porch is his...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 08, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
@roamer_1

My grandma used to keep some peacocks around.

Yep we've had em too... But guineas do the same, and take care of snakes and ticks.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 10:25:02 PM
Facebook outage gave a glimpse at how its AI analyses images

https://www.artificialintelligence-news.com/2019/07/04/facebook-outage-ai-analyses-images/ (https://www.artificialintelligence-news.com/2019/07/04/facebook-outage-ai-analyses-images/)


Facebook’s issue displaying images yesterday gave users an interesting look at how the social media giant’s AI analyses their uploads.

An outage yesterday meant Facebook users were unable to see uploaded images, providing a welcome respite from the usual mix of food and baby photos. In their place, however, was some interesting text.

Text in the placeholder where the image should have been displayed showed how Facebook’s AI automatically tagged the images.

Some of the aforementioned tags were understandable, like “one person, beard”. Other tags – such as a group of women standing together being tagged as “hoes” – were more questionable.

@Sanguine @truth_seeker
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 08, 2019, 10:32:09 PM
NP.
Dogs.
The only thing the dogs let on the porch are the house cats. Not even the barn cats, which I find amazing, that they understand the difference.
 Doesn't take much to teach the dog the porch is his...

I've got three dogs, but those are their goats, so they are allowed on the porch.  And, it's July in Texas so the dogs only go outside when there's a specific purpose.  Goats don't rate.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 08, 2019, 10:33:19 PM
Thanks, @bigheadfred.  I'm not on FB now and haven't been for years.  Just not my thing. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 08, 2019, 10:52:06 PM
Thanks, @bigheadfred.  I'm not on FB now and haven't been for years.  Just not my thing.

You tried pepper spray on the goats? Doubt it will bother the snakes.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 08, 2019, 10:54:00 PM
You tried pepper spray on the goats? Doubt it will bother the snakes.

They're so cute, Fred.  And, friendly.   I think pepper spray would change that dynamic.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 08, 2019, 11:27:31 PM
I've got three dogs, but those are their goats, so they are allowed on the porch.  And, it's July in Texas so the dogs only go outside when there's a specific purpose.  Goats don't rate.

@Sanguine
Then fences and gates at the risk of looking like the band box at a honkytonk up the canyon.  :shrug:

Perhaps make somewhere else more inviting...

My buddy has a stock tank under the trees with a little sprinkler doo-dad that makes a sort of fountain  to aerate the tank... It's a big ol tank and he has fish in it...

Anyhow, in the heat of the summer, that is always where you will find his goats down wind of that fountain in the shade where it is considerably cooler.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 08, 2019, 11:30:17 PM
@Sanguine
Then fences and gates at the risk of looking like the band box at a honkytonk up the canyon.  :shrug:

Perhaps make somewhere else more inviting...

My buddy has a stock tank under the trees with a little sprinkler doo-dad that makes a sort of fountain  to aerate the tank... It's a big ol tank and he has fish in it...

Anyhow, in the heat of the summer, that is always where you will find his goats down wind of that fountain in the shade where it is considerably cooler.

Good idea.  I'll have to think on it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 09, 2019, 04:38:31 AM
Do you know that goats aren't afraid of rubber snakes?  I bought some very realistic ones that scare guests but the goats just lay down and sleep on them.  I was hoping to keep the snakes off the porch, but so far, no go.
Different smell. As an experiment, try rubbing them with a snake, and see how the goats react.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 09, 2019, 04:39:53 AM
@Sanguine
Then fences and gates at the risk of looking like the band box at a honkytonk up the canyon.  :shrug:

Perhaps make somewhere else more inviting...

My buddy has a stock tank under the trees with a little sprinkler doo-dad that makes a sort of fountain  to aerate the tank... It's a big ol tank and he has fish in it...

Anyhow, in the heat of the summer, that is always where you will find his goats down wind of that fountain in the shade where it is considerably cooler.
Like a big swamp cooler...

We'd use a sprinkler to cool the south side of the house when it got godawful hot a few years back. It worked great.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 09, 2019, 04:42:08 AM
@roamer_1

My grandma used to keep some peacocks around.
My uncle had a few. They can really make a racket. First time we heard them, it sounded like someone yelling for help out on the river. We looked for a while and couldn't find anything before we realized it was the birds.

Owls wiped them out.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 09, 2019, 09:12:29 AM
My uncle had a few. They can really make a racket. First time we heard them, it sounded like someone yelling for help out on the river. We looked for a while and couldn't find anything before we realized it was the birds.

Owls wiped them out.

Two things never to be found on my place if I can prevent it.

1. A peacock

2. A goat
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 09, 2019, 09:33:01 AM
Destroy all machines!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 09, 2019, 09:33:34 AM
Different smell. As an experiment, try rubbing them with a snake, and see how the goats react.

@Smokin Joe

Uhhhhh,I think I detect a small flaw in that plan.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 09, 2019, 09:34:19 AM
Different smell. As an experiment, try rubbing them with a snake, and see how the goats react.

Ah, ha! I bet that's it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 09, 2019, 09:35:47 AM
@Smokin Joe

Uhhhhh,I think I detect a small flaw in that plan.

Yeah, finding a snake willing to rub itself on the rubber snakes, while I maintain a good distance, is pretty unlikely.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sighlass on July 09, 2019, 09:37:07 AM
Yep we've had em too... But guineas do the same, and take care of snakes and ticks.

As a kid we kept both also... It was funny how the guineas would follow the peacock around like it was their guardian... The went to roost at night in the big tree out front and were excellent guard animals.... That scream they (peacock male) made when something came near at night.... it still haunts me... but at least they were quiet for the most part during the day .... 

Quote
Yeah, finding a snake willing to rub itself on the rubber snakes, while I maintain a good distance, is pretty unlikely.

Thanks San for the laugh...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 09, 2019, 09:52:30 AM
Do you know that goats aren't afraid of rubber snakes?  I bought some very realistic ones that scare guests but the goats just lay down and sleep on them.  I was hoping to keep the snakes off the porch, but so far, no go.

@Sanguine

One answer is "yard cats". Cats LOVE eating snakes. They will get together to gang up and kill one,and then fight each other to see who gets to eat it. I've had my shop cats kill and eat a big cottonmouth that got into my workshop,and had the house cats catch and kill a copperhead they discovered slithering down the hallway one day.

The cottonmouth was over 3 feet long and they had been trying to warn me he was in the shop for a couple of days,but I was distracted and didn't pay any attention. When I would go in there in the afternoons to give them food and water,instead of greeting me at the door,they would be up on the hood or roof of my 33 Dodge sedan. The tom would jump off,walk a couple of steps,stop and look around really carefully,and then walk a few more. Should have made me suspicious,but I was having health issues and ignored it.

Then one day I went in there to get some lumber for a house repair,and as I was sorting through the lumber stack I saw movement out of the corner of my eye,and saw over 2 feet of cottonmouth slithering behind the lumber stack. Couldn't shoot because of ricochets,and couldn't immediately grab a square point shovel,so  I let it go for another day. Found the shovel and left it by the door,and went in there wearing leather boots for the next couple of days. Moved every piece of lumber the first day,but he was no longer there,so I figured he was crawled up under one of the cars. Since there was no chance of me crawling under a car to look for a cottonmouth,I left it for another day.

I think it was the 3rd or 4th day I went in there looking for the snake,and the first thing I noticed was the cats waterbowl and food bowl were overturned in the floor,and both of the shop cats were laying in the floor flat of their backs,snoozing. They didn't even wake up when I came in and closed the door. Right away I knew they were "sleeping off a snake dinner",and I had nothing to worry about.

I found out about the copperhead in the hallway when I heard the cats jumping and making noises,and went to look. I have no idea how they caught and killed that one without getting bitten,since the hallway was so narrow,but they did the job.

BTW,if you see snakes in your yard or live in an area with a lot of snakes,you need a couple of house cats,too. If they are in the yard,it is only a matter of time before they are in the house. If a mouse can get in your house,so can a snake. In fact,the snake is in there looking for mice.

Get two house cats. A snake stands a chance against one cat,but two cats will tag team him,and while one has him distracted,the other will get him from behind and bite his head off..

The will then fight each other over who gets to eat him,but ignore that. It's just "cat business" and they will work it out.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 09, 2019, 12:01:21 PM
Like a big swamp cooler...

We'd use a sprinkler to cool the south side of the house when it got godawful hot a few years back. It worked great.

That's right.
 :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 09, 2019, 12:09:59 PM
That's right.
 :beer:

It's hot and very humid here.  Swamp coolers are not effective.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 09, 2019, 12:10:52 PM
@sneakypete the big dog hates cats.  Never been able to break him of it.  No cats allowed here.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 09, 2019, 12:15:49 PM
It's hot and very humid here.  Swamp coolers are not effective.

Just make things even more humid and wastes a lot of water.  In Arizona everybody has one.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 09, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
Just make things even more humid and wastes a lot of water.  In Arizona everybody has one.

I never had one, they're useless in Monsoon season.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 09, 2019, 12:31:26 PM
I never had one, they're useless in Monsoon season.

I stand corrected!  Almost everyone in Arizona has one.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 09, 2019, 12:32:41 PM
I stand corrected!  Almost everyone in Arizona has one.

 :laugh: :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 09, 2019, 01:42:02 PM
@sneakypete the big dog hates cats.  Never been able to break him of it.  No cats allowed here.

@Sanguine

This sic his big ass on the next snake you see on the porch. He will either learn to kill snakes,or it will be ok for you to get a couple of cats.

Every problem has a solution.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 09, 2019, 01:47:28 PM
@Sanguine

This sic his big ass on the next snake you see on the porch. He will either learn to kill snakes,or it will be ok for you to get a couple of cats.

Every problem has a solution.

It's ok, I only have rubber snakes on the porch.   :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 09, 2019, 01:59:08 PM
It's ok, I only have rubber snakes on the porch.   :beer:

@Sanguine

The cats would be important to catch snakes INSIDE the house,so if the dog is an outside dog,you could have them. Snakes don't have a chance against cats.

BTW,you might THINK you only have rubber snakes on the porch,but if you have them in the yard you have them on the porch,and sooner or later will have them inside the house.

One thing you seriously need to look into is getting a  "Fisheye" camera installed near your door so you can look through it and check for snakes sleeping next to the door before you open it and step out. Speaking as someone who has stepped outside of my door and stepped on a snake barefoot,I can tell you truthfully that is probably more excitement all at one time than you might want. Luckily,it was a non-poisonous snake. I now have a covered porch,and a glass door on the porch where the steps are.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: berdie on July 09, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
I had a husky- hibred wolf mix that HATED snakes. He would catch one and roll around on his back on them until they were dead.

Of course he hated every interloper...not just snakes. Great dog and one of my favs, I miss him.  The snakes are pretty bad this year.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 09, 2019, 06:19:13 PM
Destroy all machines!

Start with the ones that are burrowing into people's heads.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 09, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
They're so cute, Fred.  And, friendly.   I think pepper spray would change that dynamic.

Think of it as a marinade.  I thought it over.  Collect a five gallon bucket  of goat droppings. Don't  pack them in. Add water to make a nice slurry. Then, using a mop, swab your deck...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 09, 2019, 06:43:31 PM
Think of it as a marinade.  I thought it over.  Collect a five gallon bucket  of goat droppings. Don't  pack them in. Add water to make a nice slurry. Then, using a mop, swab your deck...

If one doesn't mind ruining one's wife's mop and having the entire property smelling like goat shit.   :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 09, 2019, 07:23:49 PM
If one doesn't mind ruining one's wife's mop and having the entire property smelling like goat shit.   :shrug:

I don't mind. It's her property. Do a couple of test spots and use a paint roller. And no way would I sink so low as to suggest chanting verses from the koran, in Arabic, at them.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 09, 2019, 08:12:14 PM
The hardware is catching up with the software so beware.

Intel and Baidu collaboration on neural network platforms could boost biometric performance

https://www.biometricupdate.com/201907/intel-and-baidu-collaboration-on-neural-network-platforms-could-boost-biometric-performance (https://www.biometricupdate.com/201907/intel-and-baidu-collaboration-on-neural-network-platforms-could-boost-biometric-performance)

Intel and Baidu have formed a partnership to collaborate on hardware and software platforms for artificial intelligence, which could improve biometric facial and voice recognition performance, Forbes reports.

The companies are working together on research and development of a hardware accelerator optimized for deep learning, the Nervana Neural Network Processor for Training (NNP-T). The NNP-T 1000 was launched by Intel in 2017, with processor cores base on Intel Ice Lake architecture. The partnership, which extends a long history of cooperation, was announced at the Baidu Create AI developer conference.

Baidu is using Intel Xeon Scalable Processors to run the infrastructure for its Baidu Brain AI platform, which powers natural language processing, facial recognition, voice processing and recognition, and approximately 100 other AI services. The companies have also worked on optimizing the hardware to accelerate performance for speech synthesis, natural language processing, visual applications, and other workloads. Baidu is also optimizing its PaddlePaddle (Parallel Distributed Deep Learning) deep learning framework, which it offers as a alternative to Google’s TensorFlow, for Intel NNP-T.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 09, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
Xilinx Ships Heterogeneous Chips for AI, 5G

https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1334898 (https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1334898)

LONDON — Xilinx has shipped the first Versal devices to select customers as part of its early access program, a milestone for the company’s heterogeneous compute architecture. Versal devices use Xilinx’s adaptive compute acceleration platform (ACAP), part of the company’s strategy for modern workloads including high speed networking, 5G, and artificial intelligence (AI)

Xilinx has shipped its first Versal ACAP device (Source: Xilinx)

“Having our first Versal ACAP silicon back from TSMC ahead of schedule and shipping to early access customers is a historic milestone and engineering accomplishment,” said Victor Peng, president and CEO of Xilinx, in a statement. “It is the culmination of many years of software and hardware investments and everything we’ve learned about architectures over the past 35 years.”

Built on TSMC’s 7-nm FinFET process technology, the first devices to ship are from the Versal Prime series (for a variety of applications) and the Versal AI Core series (for acceleration of AI inference workloads). According to Xilinx, the AI Core series can outperform GPUs by 8X on AI inference (based on sub-2ms latency convolutional neural network performance versus Nvidia V100).

“Having our first Versal ACAP silicon back from TSMC ahead of schedule and shipping to early access customers is a historic milestone and engineering accomplishment,” said Victor Peng, president and CEO of Xilinx, in a statement. “It is the culmination of many years of software and hardware investments and everything we’ve learned about architectures over the past 35 years.”

Built on TSMC’s 7-nm FinFET process technology, the first devices to ship are from the Versal Prime series (for a variety of applications) and the Versal AI Core series (for acceleration of AI inference workloads). According to Xilinx, the AI Core series can outperform GPUs by 8X on AI inference (based on sub-2ms latency convolutional neural network performance versus Nvidia V100).

In an interview with EETimes Europe, Xilinx’s Nick Ni, director of product marketing for AI, software and ecosystem, said that in the AI accelerator market in particular, there is a lot at stake.

“Everybody is betting on something, including [established players] and ASIC startups … we think this is an intelligent bet,” said Ni. “The truth is, nobody has captured the market in AI … it’s just really getting started. Everyone agrees the hardware will be the bottleneck of mass deployment — whoever gets the hardware right for this moving target workload, which is very hard to design for, [will win the bet].”
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 09, 2019, 08:57:44 PM
Here is a prediction for you.

The rise of companies with a name like Cover Your Ass or Alibi Inc. Selling a service that will prevent other companies from framing you for crimes they said you committed while they were spying on you. And both companies will be owned and operated by the same parent company. They have the tech. Genealogy companies are selling your DNA profiles. They can reproduce you, YOU, and PROVE you were at the scene of a crime.

.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 09, 2019, 09:05:09 PM
These are the little guys I'm talking about. I suppose I should consider cabrito, but I just can't do it.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 09, 2019, 09:12:48 PM
These are the little guys I'm talking about. I suppose I should consider cabrito, but I just can't do it.

I understand that. What I wonder is why you still have the snakes on your porch? Live a little. Put one in a random mailbox from time to time. And sit back and watch the show.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 09, 2019, 09:29:51 PM
I understand that. What I wonder is why you still have the snakes on your porch? Live a little. Put one in a random mailbox from time to time. And sit back and watch the show.

LOL.  I may have to try that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 10, 2019, 04:38:14 AM
Two things never to be found on my place if I can prevent it.

1. A peacock

2. A goat
Once we got used to them, it wasn't bad (peafowl), and the noise reminded me of Tarzan movies, so I didn't mind it.

Goats, however, have an 'air' about them....The High School I graduated from had a small group of them which kept the grass down on campus, but had a distinct odor if you were close and downwind.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 10, 2019, 04:42:12 AM
Yeah, finding a snake willing to rub itself on the rubber snakes, while I maintain a good distance, is pretty unlikely.
Take the rubber snakes with you, and a garbage bag. Sooner or later you'll see a snake on the side of the road...victim of traffic. Rub the rubber ones on it. Transport in bag (wear gloves).

I would think the herpetologists haven't identified many which would cozy up to a surrogate...Maybe if it was inflatable? 888mouth
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 10, 2019, 04:46:53 AM
It's hot and very humid here.  Swamp coolers are not effective.
One advantage of that 'dry heat' you hear about. Just the thermal transfer to the air from a mist of well water (or city water if you have that) at roughly 60-65 degrees will drop the temp a little,and if it's too muggy to have effect evaporating, the additional humidity will be negligible.
Evaporation, absorbing the latent heat necessary for the water to become a vapor, is the most effective by far, though.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 10, 2019, 04:51:15 AM
Evaporation, absorbing the latent heat necessary for the water to become a vapor, is the most effective by far, though.

Well, no - That'd be tubin in the river all day with a tote full of beers tied to the tube.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 10, 2019, 04:53:23 AM
Well, no - That's be tubin in the river all day with a tote full of beers tied to the tube.
Problem is, the beer cans aren't made like they used to be, and get holed on the rocks waaay too easy.  :shrug:

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 10, 2019, 04:56:00 AM
Problem is, the beer cans aren't made like they used to be, and get holed on the rocks waaay too easy.  :shrug:

Yeah... might have to convert to a cooler... Hey - cooler for beer on the left, cooler for sammiches on the right.... ARMRESTS. Awesome.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 10, 2019, 09:50:48 AM
Once we got used to them, it wasn't bad (peafowl), and the noise reminded me of Tarzan movies, so I didn't mind it.

Goats, however, have an 'air' about them....The High School I graduated from had a small group of them which kept the grass down on campus, but had a distinct odor if you were close and downwind.

In my case, it is long and painful personal experience with these creatures that I'm not going to go into here.  No peacocks and no goats!  MIGHT make an exception for some pigmy goats but would have to think hard about even that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 10, 2019, 09:54:19 AM
In my case, it is long and painful personal experience with these creatures that I'm not going to go into here.  No peacocks and no goats!  MIGHT make an exception for some pigmy goats but would have to think hard about even that.

@Bigun

There is nothing cuter than baby goats playing. They can make cats look clumsy by comparison.

They have to be natures stupidest mammal,though. You can't even teach one to come in out of the rain.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 10, 2019, 10:00:12 AM
MIGHT make an exception for some pigmy goats but would have to think hard about even that.

We had fainting goats for a while, and they were alright... except the ram in rut. There ain't many natural smells that can turn my belly and make my eyes water... But billygoat in rut is one of them...

And this from a guy that regularly dealt with fresh skunk spray from skunks getting caught in traps... Me coming off my lowland trap line run, folks would walk 20 ft around me... LOL!
But  billygoat in rut... I ain't sticking around. Nope.

I might take another pass at goats... I rather like kiko goats. They seem a hardy breed.
But not going to happen without a pen for the billy that's all the way downwind.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 10, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
In my case, it is long and painful personal experience with these creatures that I'm not going to go into here.  No peacocks and no goats!  MIGHT make an exception for some pigmy goats but would have to think hard about even that.

Mine are pygmy goats and only the full-grown males smell, so not a problem. And, I borrow a buck when needed, so no full time bucks here.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 10, 2019, 10:16:43 AM
Take the rubber snakes with you, and a garbage bag. Sooner or later you'll see a snake on the side of the road...victim of traffic. Rub the rubber ones on it. Transport in bag (wear gloves).

I would think the herpetologists haven't identified many which would cozy up to a surrogate...Maybe if it was inflatable? 888mouth

I can see me getting pulled over and trying to explain that. "But, officer, Joe told me to do it". 

 :silly:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 10, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
[...] And, I borrow a buck when needed, so no full time bucks here.

Now there's a great idea! Never thought of that.
Folks have always told me to breed em myself...
But I don't know... Just one vid hits the youtubes and...  **nononono* :whistle:

 :silly:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 10, 2019, 10:21:51 AM
Now there's a great idea! Never thought of that.
Folks have always told me to breed em myself...
But I don't know... Just one vid hits the youtubes and...  **nononono* :whistle:

 :silly:

How much coffee have you had this morning?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 10, 2019, 10:26:40 AM
Mine are pygmy goats and only the full-grown males smell, so not a problem. And, I borrow a buck when needed, so no full time bucks here.

We have a neighbor with some who offered to give me a couple.  Still considering whether or not to accept the offer.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 10, 2019, 10:27:27 AM
How much coffee have you had this morning?

 :silly: :beer:

Actually, I haven't made it to bed yet.
Ran some code at 1:30 am or so, figuring it was done, and it blew up.
So I've been rewriting ever since...
Been a long night.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 10, 2019, 10:43:47 AM
:silly: :beer:

Actually, I haven't made it to bed yet.
Ran some code at 1:30 am or so, figuring it was done, and it blew up.
So I've been rewriting ever since...
Been a long night.

Sounds like it!  I haven't pulled an allnighter for years now.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 10, 2019, 10:52:17 AM
Sounds like it!  I haven't pulled an allnighter for years now.

eh - S'alright.. I am obsessive. It's what makes me good at coding.
I have already cleared my day, so whenever I get this thing done and shipped.. and running, I can tip over. It's all good.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 10, 2019, 07:09:25 PM
Artificial Intelligence Set Loose On Old Scientific Papers Discovers Something Humans Missed

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjjr9qAvKvjAhVDHjQIHTjYCX4QFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iflscience.com%2Ftechnology%2Fartificial-intelligence-set-loose-on-old-scientific-papers-discovers-something-humans-missed%2F&usg=AOvVaw1x4m7QQsfOd3Td42n_Pxf8 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjjr9qAvKvjAhVDHjQIHTjYCX4QFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iflscience.com%2Ftechnology%2Fartificial-intelligence-set-loose-on-old-scientific-papers-discovers-something-humans-missed%2F&usg=AOvVaw1x4m7QQsfOd3Td42n_Pxf8)

Researchers at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory have developed an artificial intelligence (AI) that, with very little training, has made discoveries in material science. To spot what scientists had missed, all the AI had to do was read millions of previously published scientific papers.

The AI approach is known as machine learning. It is an algorithm capable of being trained on a particular task until, after many iterations, it can produce something that makes sense. Machine-learning approaches are being used to solve many problems, and this team used it to look for latent knowledge in the world of materials science.

Latent knowledge is a connection that might have been missed in a particular field even though the data is right there. As reported in Nature, the scientists fed the algorithm, known as Word2vec, 3.3 million abstracts on materials science from 1,000 different journals published between 1922 and 2018. It took 500,000 distinct words from those abstracts and built mathematical connections between them. And that gave it very intriguing powers of prediction.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 10, 2019, 07:14:15 PM
The stupidest animal on the planet is the human.  Anything that can invent something that will completely replace itself artificially takes stupid to an all knew level.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 10, 2019, 08:46:19 PM
From the last article I posted.

It took 500,000 distinct words from those abstracts

500,000 "distinct" words? In a particular field of scientific research?

I don't care what planet you are from. That is a huge amount of "distinct" words.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 10, 2019, 09:11:44 PM
From the last article I posted.

It took 500,000 distinct words from those abstracts

500,000 "distinct" words? In a particular field of scientific research?

I don't care what planet you are from. That is a huge amount of "distinct" words.

I'm not sure (highly doubt) there are 500,000 distinct words in the English language.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 10, 2019, 09:20:46 PM
https://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi309003545?playlistId=tt1234548&ref_=tt_ov_vi (https://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi309003545?playlistId=tt1234548&ref_=tt_ov_vi)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 10, 2019, 09:31:28 PM
I'm not sure (highly doubt) there are 500,000 distinct words in the English language.

I have read a number of scientific papers, and I could go with 5,000 but not half a million.  Even if they meant "words and phrases".

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 10, 2019, 09:33:47 PM
I'm not sure (highly doubt) there are 500,000 distinct words in the English language.

I'll take a SWAG (Scientific Wild Assed Guess) and say you are correct.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 10, 2019, 10:14:44 PM
I have read a number of scientific papers, and I could go with 5,000 but not half a million.  Even if they meant "words and phrases".

Creative accounting...

And Joe is a cop...sooo... when I told him I am sending you a mimeograph stencil duplication facsimile by telecommunications and he said just the facts, ma'am, that got my goat so I hit him with my rubber snake.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 10, 2019, 10:31:48 PM
Creative accounting...

And Joe is a cop...sooo... when I told him I am sending you a mimeograph stencil duplication facsimile by telecommunications and he said just the facts, ma'am, that got my goat so I hit him with my rubber snake.

See - they are cute, aren't they?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 10, 2019, 10:46:13 PM
See - they are cute, aren't they?

And scrumptious.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2019, 03:11:10 AM
In my case, it is long and painful personal experience with these creatures that I'm not going to go into here.  No peacocks and no goats!  MIGHT make an exception for some pigmy goats but would have to think hard about even that.
Get the kind you can shout at and have stop right there... :silly:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2019, 03:12:49 AM
I can see me getting pulled over and trying to explain that. "But, officer, Joe told me to do it". 

 :silly:
Might make "Live PD"! :silly:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2019, 03:13:49 AM
Now there's a great idea! Never thought of that.
Folks have always told me to breed em myself...
But I don't know... Just one vid hits the youtubes and...  **nononono* :whistle:

 :silly:
Yeah, just one goat, and you know what all the town folks would call you.... 888mouth
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2019, 03:15:09 AM
I'm not sure (highly doubt) there are 500,000 distinct words in the English language.
Oh yeah! Get an unabridged dictionary....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2019, 03:30:34 AM
Creative accounting...

And Joe is a cop...sooo... when I told him I am sending you a mimeograph stencil duplication facsimile by telecommunications and he said just the facts, ma'am, that got my goat so I hit him with my rubber snake.
Nope. Not me. That's 'my man' Friday, the one with the Quaalude badge number (714).

(I always wondered why he seemed so calm)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: thackney on July 11, 2019, 07:43:45 AM
500,000 "distinct" words? In a particular field of scientific research?

I wonder if that list includes many languages.  Otherwise that is more words than english has in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dictionaries_by_number_of_words
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 11, 2019, 08:30:39 AM
I wonder if that list includes many languages.  Otherwise that is more words than english has in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dictionaries_by_number_of_words

I thought about that. And I already looked at your link.
But, by my definition, or understanding, even if you use the word "steel" in six different languages they aren't distinct from each other because they all mean the same thing.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Polly Ticks on July 11, 2019, 09:22:12 AM
In my case, it is long and painful personal experience with these creatures that I'm not going to go into here.  No peacocks and no goats!  MIGHT make an exception for some pigmy goats but would have to think hard about even that.


Quote
The Childhood Goat Trauma Foundation was created in 1982 by a small group that originally came together as a an informal support group for problems that were the result of traumatic experiences at petting zoos as children. This group realized that there were many others out there who were afraid to come forward with their horrific stories and wanted to find some way to help as many people as they could. The Childhood Goat Trauma Foundation is the result of their dream.

The Childhood Goat Trauma Foundation (https://www.goat-trauma.org/)

(https://www.goat-trauma.org/images/logo2.gif)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 11, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
I have read a number of scientific papers, and I could go with 5,000 but not half a million.  Even if they meant "words and phrases".

Well, I ain't sayin she's all that, but according to Google Assistant, using the second edition of the Oxford dictionary, the english language contains 171,476 words in current use, and 47,156 obsolete words...
That doesn't include redneck variations (which Google Assistant can't even understand) though...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 11, 2019, 10:34:12 AM

(https://www.goat-trauma.org/images/logo2.gif)

LOL!!! Thanks @Polly Ticks
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Polly Ticks on July 11, 2019, 10:50:43 AM
LOL!!! Thanks @Polly Ticks

 :beer:

I'm a fellow sufferer, so welcome to the club!!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bigun on July 11, 2019, 10:55:32 AM
:beer:

I'm a fellow sufferer, so welcome to the club!!

Well, in my case it's not what you think!   

When I was a kid someone (one of my relatives likely) dumped a young billy at our place. He was fun for a while but, over time, he became a REAL nuisance and I wanted to take him out . I mean REALLY take him out as in kill him!  Never did but I sure wanted to.  Never have had that much hatred for an animal again.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2019, 06:13:52 PM
I wonder if that list includes many languages.  Otherwise that is more words than english has in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dictionaries_by_number_of_words
According to Wiki, there are 470,000 'accepted' English words. I wonder if that includes slang and other variants.
I would think it wouldn't be hard to come up with another 30,000.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 11, 2019, 08:01:41 PM
According to Wiki, there are 470,000 'accepted' English words. I wonder if that includes slang and other variants.
I would think it wouldn't be hard to come up with another 30,000.

Right. But they are claiming 500,000 distinct words.

This a scientific paper you are writing/reading. Not some fairytale...oh...wait...



Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2019, 04:06:17 PM
Right. But they are claiming 500,000 distinct words.

This a scientific paper you are writing/reading. Not some fairytale...oh...wait...
Well, considering most folks only use some 1% of that, they likely wouldn't miss the other 30,000. Between Madison Avenue, the Mass Media, and government bureaucrats, it's likely they will invent that many in the next year or so, anyway.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 12, 2019, 04:12:08 PM
Well, considering most folks only use some 1% of that, they likely wouldn't miss the other 30,000. Between Madison Avenue, the Mass Media, and government bureaucrats, it's likely they will invent that many in the next year or so, anyway.

Can anybody explain to me the difference between "distinct" and "unique?"
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 12, 2019, 11:30:09 PM
To err is human.

With very little training, but many iterations...

ffs

FFS

fFs

FfS...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 13, 2019, 04:24:11 AM
Can anybody explain to me the difference between "distinct" and "unique?"
Distinct is recognizable, but not the only of its kind.
Unique isn't something you can really compare, because there is only one.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 13, 2019, 07:37:34 AM
Hard to believe this thread is still going. Especially since you can't kill a robot because they were never alive to start with.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 13, 2019, 08:19:43 AM
Hard to believe this thread is still going. Especially since you can't kill a robot because they were never alive to start with.

I saw a stat that soon there will be 100 billion "smart" devices in use. Too bad there isn't  a plan to make people smarter. But they are surely working harder to make them dumber.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 13, 2019, 11:59:08 AM
I saw a stat that soon there will be 100 billion "smart" devices in use. Too bad there isn't  a plan to make people smarter. But they are surely working harder to make them dumber.

'smart' devices...
Just because you call em smart doesn't mean they are.
Sometimes Google Assistant is dumb as a post.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 13, 2019, 03:18:39 PM
f https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/12/fake-news-is-real-ai-is-going-to-make-it-much-worse.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/12/fake-news-is-real-ai-is-going-to-make-it-much-worse.html)

Fake news is real — A.I. is going to make it much worse
Published Fri, Jul 12 2019 8:00 AM EDTUpdated Fri, Jul 12 2019 8:38 AM EDT

Earlier this year a clip purporting to show Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi slurring her words when speaking to the press was shared widely on social media, including at one point by Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani. However, closer inspection revealed that the video had been slowed to 75% of its normal speed to achieve this slurring effect, according to the Washington Post. Even with the real video now widely accessible, Hany Farid, a professor at UC Berkeley’s School of Information and a digital forensics expert, said he still regularly receives emails from people insisting the slowed video is the legitimate one.

The minute that someone says, ‘Here’s a research paper telling you about how to detect this kind of fake video,’ that is when the attackers look at the paper and say, ‘Thank you for pointing out my flaw. I will take that into account in my next-generation video, and I will go find enough input ... so that the next generation of my video will not have the same problem,’” Zhao said.

One of the more recent developments in this field is in generating speech for a video. To replicate a figure such as Trump’s voice, computers can now simply analyze hundreds of hours of him speaking. Then researchers can type out what they want Trump to say, and the computer will make it sound as if he actually said it. Facebook, Google and Microsoft have all more or less perfected this technology, according to Farid.

Zhao has spent a great deal of time speaking with prosecutors, judges — the legal profession is another sector where the implications are huge —

“And if it’s someone’s word, an actual eyewitness’ word versus a video, which do you believe, and how do you as an organization go about verifying the authenticity or the illegitimacy of a particularly audio or video?” Zhao asked.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 13, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
Hard to believe this thread is still going. Especially since you can't kill a robot because they were never alive to start with.
I recently saw a movie which dealt with that thought.

The writers solved the problem by deciding that for something to be alive and sentient (an AI humanoid robot/android in the show) it had to have some trepidation about its existence being ended.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 13, 2019, 06:29:03 PM
I saw a stat that soon there will be 100 billion "smart" devices in use. Too bad there isn't  a plan to make people smarter. But they are surely working harder to make them dumber.
Paraphrasing Howard Mumford Jones, 'Ours is an age that is proud of machines that think and suspicious of any human who tries to.'
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 05:20:02 PM
http://news.mit.edu/2019/toward-artificial-intelligence-that-learns-to-write-code-0614 (http://news.mit.edu/2019/toward-artificial-intelligence-that-learns-to-write-code-0614)

Toward artificial intelligence that learns to write code

Kim Martineau | MIT Quest for Intelligence
June 14, 2019


This one is for you @roamer_1

The life of Riley. Really.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 05:35:01 PM
http://news.mit.edu/2019/toward-artificial-intelligence-that-learns-to-write-code-0614 (http://news.mit.edu/2019/toward-artificial-intelligence-that-learns-to-write-code-0614)

Toward artificial intelligence that learns to write code

Kim Martineau | MIT Quest for Intelligence
June 14, 2019

This one is for you @roamer_1

The life of Riley. Really.


Shooting for the moon, @bigheadfred
It's maybe a step above self-healing code - which is no where near mastered yet.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 05:41:56 PM
Shooting for the moon, @bigheadfred
It's maybe a step above self-healing code - which is no where near mastered yet.

Creating our own new Overlords.  I can hardly wait.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 05:45:02 PM
Creating our own new Overlords.  I can hardly wait.

All you've got to do is go off-grid...

 :shrug:

They'll be busy enough herding the sheep they have.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 05:47:49 PM
All you've got to do is go off-grid...

 :shrug:

They'll be busy enough herding the sheep they have.

I thought they baa-nned going off grid?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 06:02:25 PM
I thought they baa-nned going off grid?

Not around here...  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 06:05:45 PM
Not around here...  :shrug:

The case I was thinking of was down South. Maybe in Florida. Some city told this guy since he lived within the city limits he had to be hooked up and pay for city services, which included electricity.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 06:11:02 PM
The case I was thinking of was down South. Maybe in Florida. Some city told this guy since he lived within the city limits he had to be hooked up and pay for city services, which included electricity.

Huh... So it's a tax then, eh? And not a service?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 06:13:30 PM
And I dunno about by you Fred, but where I am, I quit paying my electric bill long enough, I quit getting electricity.

I know, I've seen me do it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 06:28:22 PM
Huh... So it's a tax then, eh? And not a service?

It would tax me. BS has a way of doing that to me.

Quote
And I dunno about by you Fred, but where I am, I quit paying my electric bill long enough, I quit getting electricity.

I know, I've seen me do it.

I don't know why, but I am reminded of the story of this girl in a town up the road a bit. Wrote a couple of dozen bad checks. Told them they had to be mistaken. She COULDN'T be out of money. She still had checks left.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 06:33:58 PM
It would tax me. BS has a way of doing that to me.

I don't know why, but I am reminded of the story of this girl in a town up the road a bit. Wrote a couple of dozen bad checks. Told them they had to be mistaken. She COULDN'T be out of money. She still had checks left.

Now, don't be like that... I have been called a good financial steward... er, I mean... sewer
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 06:34:43 PM
No, wait...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 06:37:40 PM
Now, don't be like that... I have been called a good financial steward... er, I mean... sewer

Sounds like a government job.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 06:40:32 PM
Sounds like a government job.

County anyway, a time or two...
 :tongue2:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 06:46:07 PM
https://aibusiness.com/us-senate-ai-initiative-act/

US Senate Introduces $2.2bn AI Initiative Act

WASHINGTON DC – A new bipartisan bill in the US Senate aims to deliver $2 billion in federal spending and a number of policy initiatives as part of a new government strategy for AI technology.

This week, (May 23, 2019) U.S. Senators Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) and Rob Portman (R-Ohio), co-founders of the Senate Artificial Intelligence Caucus, unveiled the Artificial Intelligence Initiative Act (AI-IA). The act aims to organize a coordinated national strategy to accelerate AI deployments in government agencies, academia, and the private sector over the next 10 years. It will also see the federal government provide $2.2 billion USD in investments.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 07:22:34 PM
The act aims to organize a coordinated national strategy to accelerate AI deployments in government agencies.....

 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:25:35 PM
The act aims to organize a coordinated national strategy to accelerate AI deployments in government agencies.....

 *****rollingeyes*****

I'll bet you money it won't understand redneck.
Stupid friggin Google.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 07:30:26 PM
I'll bet you money it won't understand redneck.
Stupid friggin Google.

No bets. It will be useless before it starts.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2019, 07:31:10 PM
I'll bet you money it won't understand redneck.
Stupid friggin Google.

Think of yourself as a new Navajo Code Talker.   22chief 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 22chief
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Think of yourself as a new Navajo Code Talker.   22chief 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 22chief

I don't think of myself as that... But stupid friggin Google sure does.  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 07:39:44 PM
Think of yourself as a new Navajo Code Talker.   22chief 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 22chief

ummmm....I think he said "Redneck" not "Redman".
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/z6vC4dE.png)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
ummmm....I think he said "Redneck" not "Redman".

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6067/6066700944_27e0597faa_z.jpg)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 08:08:17 PM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6067/6066700944_27e0597faa_z.jpg)

Skoal longcut straight, for me.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 08:11:44 PM
Skoal longcut straight, for me.

Copenhagen original.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
Copenhagen original.

Spent a couple of high school years in NW Colorado. They would run a Pep Club bus to the out-of-town games. You could hitch a ride with the cheerleaders. One time, some of us were sitting in the back enjoying our Everclear infused oranges when the Cheerqueen came back and asked? "You guys got sumpin' to drink? I just swallered half my chew."
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 08:30:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1WvcFPr.gif)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2019, 09:53:39 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66475990_2371967386461395_2244788481437990912_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_eui2=AeFDJA9HtbgKnIsVWsdqE6D8ropf_hbCkYlslWAPe1xL30fiwXJpGnTx_DuffDTYMufQPuvl3_1gJDvLELp9UDZ-kCXkE0gFiZAplVwQR4PY2A&_nc_oc=AQlGQD7QL1VErALZctYItC50NMXtQndWEYiJgea6DA5PMVkis5DnEEdL4G-aMnmlLRw&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=f495a6f2a00f266a286261e4a4fe6961&oe=5DECA65C)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 09:55:01 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66475990_2371967386461395_2244788481437990912_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_eui2=AeFDJA9HtbgKnIsVWsdqE6D8ropf_hbCkYlslWAPe1xL30fiwXJpGnTx_DuffDTYMufQPuvl3_1gJDvLELp9UDZ-kCXkE0gFiZAplVwQR4PY2A&_nc_oc=AQlGQD7QL1VErALZctYItC50NMXtQndWEYiJgea6DA5PMVkis5DnEEdL4G-aMnmlLRw&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=f495a6f2a00f266a286261e4a4fe6961&oe=5DECA65C)

Uh-oh...  **nononono*
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
Uh-oh...  **nononono*

Could be worse. Could be an eyeball.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2019, 10:23:57 PM
Could be worse. Could be an eyeball.

Oh, you saw that on NCIS?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 14, 2019, 10:37:27 PM
Oh, you saw that on NCIS?

Demolition Man.

Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Stallone.

The new stuff have "liveness" detection.  So ripping out an eyeball  wouldn't work to fool them.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 15, 2019, 02:29:54 AM
Copenhagen original.
Grizzly Wintergreen, in the pouches to keep from having to pick it out of my teeth.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 15, 2019, 10:09:24 AM
I'll bet you money it won't understand redneck.
Stupid friggin Google.

I've asked Siri to find "Chicken Fried Steak" and she said she didn't know what I was talking about.
I bias against us rednecks, to be sure.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 11:00:30 AM
Grizzly Wintergreen, in the pouches to keep from having to pick it out of my teeth.

I tried them pouches... I kinda need the floaters... nibbling on them is all the fun.
Also tried the Grizzly that mimics Cope, but went back... They had a cherry one I almost got onto. Tried pretty hard because it would save me some dough.

But nope. Cope.  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 11:03:17 AM
I've asked Siri to find "Chicken Fried Steak" and she said she didn't know what I was talking about.
I bias against us rednecks, to be sure.

I know, right? How come I cant get an assistant with two first names, a sweet Southern drawl that calls me sugar and understands 'y'all' and 'fixin to'???

It is a bother.
 :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 15, 2019, 11:10:46 AM
I know, right? How come I cant get an assistant with two first names, a sweet Southern drawl that calls me sugar and understands 'y'all' and 'fixin to'???

It is a bother.
 :beer:

You definitely have a dilemma.
If you find one, go ahead and ask if she has a sister, if you don't mind.

 :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 11:17:57 AM
"Hey Google... Call up mamma on the telephone..."

"I'm Sorry... Something went wrong"

'Hey Google... Text Bubba."

"Alright... Texting Bubba... What you you want to say?"

'Hey Bubba, I'm fixin to come on by. I'm on my way over to the Walgreens, Then over toward you, so maybe about 20 minutes... Y'all gonna be around?"

"I got "hey tubular, Amir fossil goat hair existential WALGREENS camel cheese Bonneville wombat yodel"   Do you want to send or repeat? "

"Never mind Google."

"I'm sorry. Something went wrong"
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 15, 2019, 04:36:25 PM
I tried them pouches... I kinda need the floaters... nibbling on them is all the fun.
Also tried the Grizzly that mimics Cope, but went back... They had a cherry one I almost got onto. Tried pretty hard because it would save me some dough.

But nope. Cope.  :shrug:
I have a thing against Copenhagen, personally.

Years ago, while bartending when the patch was slack, i got hardcore sucker-kissed by a gal who had a mouthful of it and she slipped me the tongue. Left me spitting out little bits of snoose for the rest of the night.
Aaack! Worst kiss ever, even if she'd been an 11 on the 1-10 scale (she wasn't close, not to be cruel, just the facts).

Just the smell brings up bad memories.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 04:51:14 PM
I have a thing against Copenhagen, personally.

Years ago, while bartending when the patch was slack, i got hardcore sucker-kissed by a gal who had a mouthful of it and she slipped me the tongue. Left me spitting out little bits of snoose for the rest of the night.
Aaack! Worst kiss ever, even if she'd been an 11 on the 1-10 scale (she wasn't close, not to be cruel, just the facts).

Just the smell brings up bad memories.

I actually had two girlfriends that chewed. My biggest complaint, in both cases, was getting in my freezer and 'sharing' from my rolls. I keep a fair supply laying around... Always have. I do not like being jittery driving into town for a can at 2 in the morning. In both cases, eventually, that's exactly what happened.

The thing is, only the one of em chewed Cope. The other did Skoal with cherry liquor added in.

Kinda like women 'sharing' off my plate - I think they do that as an exercise to prove trust.
There are better ways to do that, I would tell em, picking bit's of their hand from between my teeth...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 15, 2019, 05:04:43 PM
Kinda like women 'sharing' off my plate - I think they do that as an exercise to prove trust.
There are better ways to do that, I would tell em, picking bit's of their hand from between my teeth...

We all have different ways of bonding with our mates.   :silly:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 05:10:57 PM
We all have different ways of bonding with our mates.   :silly:

Hey, I don't even try that crap with my dog... Because the result would be the same.

🤣😁
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 15, 2019, 10:00:26 PM
AI Drug Hunters Could Give Big Pharma a Run for Its Money

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwju2IfMq7jjAhUiIzQIHV2IDEoQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Ffeatures%2F2019-07-15%2Fgoogle-ai-could-challenge-big-pharma-in-drug-discovery&usg=AOvVaw1AkjhAGGAitzHZ_ArsYOeT (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwju2IfMq7jjAhUiIzQIHV2IDEoQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Ffeatures%2F2019-07-15%2Fgoogle-ai-could-challenge-big-pharma-in-drug-discovery&usg=AOvVaw1AkjhAGGAitzHZ_ArsYOeT)


By Robert Langreth
July 15, 2019, 5:00 AM MDT

Machine-learning technology has beaten humans at games of chess and Go to worldwide fanfare. A demonstration of its eerily lifelike prowess in making phone calls to unsuspecting people went viral.

But a less-noticed win for DeepMind, the artificial-intelligence arm of Google’s parent Alphabet Inc., at a biennial biology conference could upend how drugmakers find and develop new medicines. It could also dial up pressure on the world’s largest pharmaceutical companies to prepare for a technological arms race. Already, a new breed of upstarts are jumping into the fray.

In December, at the CASP13 meeting in Riviera Maya, Mexico, DeepMind beat seasoned biologists at predicting the shapes of proteins, the basic building blocks of disease. The seemingly esoteric pursuit has serious implications: A tool that can accurately model protein structures could speed up the development of new drugs.

Alphabet’s DeepMind cracked a problem that long vexed biologists, heating up a technological arms race in health care
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 15, 2019, 10:02:34 PM
First Human Drug Developed Solely by AI Is a Vaccine

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwitxrGDrLjjAhXEuZ4KHfjiD4YQFjAAegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffuturism.com%2Fthe-byte%2Ffirst-human-drug-ai-flu-vaccine&usg=AOvVaw3VRxNM8NAeinTMYF-febHG (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwitxrGDrLjjAhXEuZ4KHfjiD4YQFjAAegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffuturism.com%2Fthe-byte%2Ffirst-human-drug-ai-flu-vaccine&usg=AOvVaw3VRxNM8NAeinTMYF-febHG)

Researchers often spend billions of dollars and countless hours developing new drugs, only for the vast majority to fail long before they reach human trials.

In recent years, some of those developers have started exploring ways to use artificial intelligence to help them discover new drugs. And now, one of those AIs has managed to develop a promising new flu vaccine — all by itself.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on July 15, 2019, 10:07:59 PM
Ok, stupid little anecdote time:  I was in a stop and shop grocery store the other day and almost bumped into a new robot they had wandering the store using “big data” analyses to look for spills and messes in the aisles.  I have to say that, even though I’m not a Luddite and generally like tech, it creeped me out a bit having the thing wandering around.  In particular, it would stop and start, giving one the impression that at any moment it might lunge at you if it determined that you were on top of a mess in the aisle. 

It weirded me out a bit, despite myself.  I’d rather have people periodically wandering the aisles looking for messes to clean up. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 15, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Ok, stupid little anecdote time:  I was in a stop and shop grocery store the other day and almost bumped into a new robot they had wandering the store using “big data” analyses to look for spills and messes in the aisles.  I have to say that, even though I’m not a Luddite and generally like tech, it creeped me out a bit having the thing wandering around.  In particular, it would stop and start, giving one the impression that at any moment it might lunge at you if it determined that you were on top of a mess in the aisle. 

It weirded me out a bit, despite myself.  I’d rather have people periodically wandering the aisles looking for messes to clean up.

I am a Luddite. Thanks for your reply. A couple of pages back I posted an article or two that dealt with the "ceepiness" of robots.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 15, 2019, 10:14:29 PM
@Bill Cipher

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2005777.html#msg2005777 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2005777.html#msg2005777)

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2005781.html#msg2005781 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2005781.html#msg2005781)

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on July 15, 2019, 10:18:04 PM
@Bill Cipher

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2005777.html#msg2005777 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2005777.html#msg2005777)

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2005781.html#msg2005781 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2005781.html#msg2005781)



Yeah, it was weird like that.  The robot wasn’t even vaguely human-shaped, but it was moving around in ways that were unsettling, particularly, I think, since there was no way to gauge what it was likely to do when it was nearby.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 15, 2019, 10:20:30 PM
Yeah, it was weird like that.  The robot wasn’t even vaguely human-shaped, but it was moving around in ways that were unsettling, particularly, I think, since there was no way to gauge what it was likely to do when it was nearby.

Some of these scary movies they have out. They do sped up movements and start stop things with the monster that creep me out.

Robots do the same thing to me. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 15, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
Ok, stupid little anecdote time:  I was in a stop and shop grocery store the other day and almost bumped into a new robot they had wandering the store using “big data” analyses to look for spills and messes in the aisles.  I have to say that, even though I’m not a Luddite and generally like tech, it creeped me out a bit having the thing wandering around.  In particular, it would stop and start, giving one the impression that at any moment it might lunge at you if it determined that you were on top of a mess in the aisle. 

It weirded me out a bit, despite myself.  I’d rather have people periodically wandering the aisles looking for messes to clean up.

@Bill Cipher

Me,too. ESPECIALLY since those "wander around to look for messes to clean up" jobs used to be called "starting positions". People like high school children who had never had a job could apply for and get one at minimum wage while having the luxury of having their parents pay their bills while they are learning about responsibility and what it takes to hold a job.

Not to mention when illiterate,uneducated,or handi-caped/old people that have no choice but to take those jobs have to deal with on a daily basis,so that when they are rolling in riches and shopping in stores,they can show those people a little compassion and consideration,

Jobs like that tend to make people more human later in life.

What do we get out of those freaking robots???

Just call me a Luddite if you want. I can handle it,and in cases like this,wear the badge with pride.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 15, 2019, 10:42:40 PM
I am a Luddite. Thanks for your reply. A couple of pages back I posted an article or two that dealt with the "ceepiness" of robots.

@bigheadfred

DAYUM,fred! There are two of us here!

I would say I am proudly going backwards,but with public discussions of sex being what they are today,don't like the implications that might give some people.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 15, 2019, 10:45:44 PM
Yeah, it was weird like that.  The robot wasn’t even vaguely human-shaped, but it was moving around in ways that were unsettling, particularly, I think, since there was no way to gauge what it was likely to do when it was nearby.

@Bill Cipher

Stores have so many cameras these days it is dangerous to take direct action,so you should consider indirect action. Next time you are there and the robot is creeping you out,announce in a VERY loud voice "This robot is creeping me out! Does it bother anyone else?"  If you can get a bunch of other people to complain and maybe sign a petition,you MIGHT be able to get the store owner to toss it and bring back the kid with pimples.

It's worth a try,anyway.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 15, 2019, 10:52:08 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QDEPoMNvWM&ytbChannel=BBC%20Studios#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 15, 2019, 10:55:59 PM
@bigheadfred

DAYUM,fred! There are two of us here!

I would say I am proudly going backwards,but with public discussions of sex being what they are today,don't like the implications that might give some people.

Screw 'em.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 11:00:56 PM
@bigheadfred

DAYUM,fred! There are two of us here!


Make that three.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 16, 2019, 03:25:28 AM
I actually had two girlfriends that chewed. My biggest complaint, in both cases, was getting in my freezer and 'sharing' from my rolls. I keep a fair supply laying around... Always have. I do not like being jittery driving into town for a can at 2 in the morning. In both cases, eventually, that's exactly what happened.

The thing is, only the one of em chewed Cope. The other did Skoal with cherry liquor added in.

Kinda like women 'sharing' off my plate - I think they do that as an exercise to prove trust.
There are better ways to do that, I would tell em, picking bit's of their hand from between my teeth...
My, my, you are extreme. Just fork 'em. :silly:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 16, 2019, 03:33:21 AM
Make that three.
I'm not exactly a Luddite, let's just say I am slow to embrace (or trust) the latest widgets.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 16, 2019, 08:16:34 AM
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Kinda like women 'sharing' off my plate - I think they do that as an exercise to prove trust.

 

@roamer_1

Naw,they do that to show you who is boss. They want you to see them as the power figure your mother was when you were a child. Actually,when it comes to stuff like this,they ain't actually doing ANY thinking. It's party a genetic survival trait that has been around as long as there has been men and women,since it also serves to make you as protective of them as you are your own mother. Women you are sleeping with can be given the boot with no thought the instant a prettier one comes along,but it's hard to give the boot to a woman who is part mother in your sub-conscious.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 16, 2019, 08:23:11 AM
I'm not exactly a Luddite, let's just say I am slow to embrace (or trust) the latest widgets.

@Smokin Joe

I have,and normally drive my modern 4x4 pu these days because I have been having health and strength/mobility issues,and it has ps,auto trans,and air-conditioning.

If my health were better,my normal daily ride would be my flathead 6 cylinder 1951 Ford business coupe. The modern pu is nice and comfortable,but it doesn't make me smile while driving down the road and it doesn't make me want to do a little "happy dance" when I walk out of the house and see it parked in the yard.

I recently found and bought a finned aluminum Knudsen high-compression head for it (ALMOST akin to finding a needle in a haystack these days) ,with the matching 3 carb intake. I already had 3 glass bowl Holley 1brl carbs for it. Took me over 3 years to find a head for sale,and this was with haunting the old race car,junk yards,and parts suppliers on a daily basis. Ironically enough,I found it on ebay,and immediately hit the buy it now button.

I had no trouble at all finding brand new high-compression heads for the 251 DeSoto flathead 6 engine I am putting in my 33 Dodge 4dr sedan,or the 230 engine in my 42 Dodge business coupe. You can buy them any day of the week by just picking up a phone. Everybody that bought a old Ford to hot rod back in the 50's bought one with a flathead V-8,though. Flathead V-8 high performance and dress up parts are as easy to find as it is finding that stuff for small block chevy's. Most people didn't even know that Ford HAD a flathead 6 as standard in some year cars,and had never heard of or seen one. Ironically enough,the flat 6 with a 1brl carb on the stock engine had more torque than the V-8,and would turn faster times in a drag race. The flathead V-8 with the stock 2brl carb only had 10 more hp than the single carb flat 6. Put a 2x1 or 3x1 intake on a flat 6,and it suddenly had more torque AND more horsepower than the V-8.

The flat 6 Fords were more popular for boat racing than the V-8's,though. Clay Smith was a 17 year old kid working in his father's machine shop when Henry Ford attended a race back in 47 or 48,and thought the kids boat seemed to be turning up a lot of RPM's,so he wandered down to the shore to talk with him about it. Come to find out this 17 year old had a flathead 6 Ford engine turning up 7,000 RPM,and not exploding. Ford asked him how he did this,the kid told him,and Ford gave him a consulting contract with Ford on the spot,sealed with a handshake. That was how the Clay Smith Camshaft Company came about. Henry Ford was so smart he realized he not only didn't know everything,but he even knew there were people out there smarter than him,and that he needed to hire these people where ever he found them.

Soon I hope to be smiling even wider as I tool down the road listening to the sweet,sweet sounds of a inline six that is cammed up,has 3 carbs and a high compression head,and is playing it's tunes through dual straight pipes with glass packs. I may never turn the radio on.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 16, 2019, 08:29:43 AM
@Smokin Joe

I have,and normally drive my modern 4x4 pu these days because I have been having health and strength/mobility issues,and it has ps,auto trans,and air-conditioning.

If my health were better,my normal daily ride would be my flathead 6 cylinder 1951 Ford business coupe. The modern pu is nice and comfortable,but it doesn't make me smile while riding down the road.

Just found and bought a finned aluminun Knudsen high-compression head for it,with the matching 3 carb intake. Soon I hope to be smiling even wider as I tool down the road listening to the sweet,sweet sounds of a inline six that is cammed up,has 3 carbs and a high compression head,and is playing it's tunes through dual straight pipes with glass packs. I may never turn the radio on.

I hope you get well and get it done. Let the good times roll.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 16, 2019, 08:41:22 AM
I hope you get well and get it done. Let the good times roll.

@bigheadfred

As one Luddite to another,I thank you.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 16, 2019, 10:01:10 AM
@Bill Cipher

Me,too. ESPECIALLY since those "wander around to look for messes to clean up" jobs used to be called "starting positions". People like high school children who had never had a job could apply for and get one at minimum wage while having the luxury of having their parents pay their bills while they are learning about responsibility and what it takes to hold a job.

Not to mention when illiterate,uneducated,or handi-caped/old people that have no choice but to take those jobs have to deal with on a daily basis,so that when they are rolling in riches and shopping in stores,they can show those people a little compassion and consideration,

Jobs like that tend to make people more human later in life.

What do we get out of those freaking robots???

Just call me a Luddite if you want. I can handle it,and in cases like this,wear the badge with pride.

Meh, they can all be put to work stopping people from shoplifting. A robot cannot do that yet, and these self-checkout deals are prone to that sort of thing.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 11:52:08 AM
@roamer_1

Naw,they do that to show you who is boss. They want you to see them as the power figure your mother was when you were a child. Actually,when it comes to stuff like this,they ain't actually doing ANY thinking. It's party a genetic survival trait that has been around as long as there has been men and women,since it also serves to make you as protective of them as you are your own mother. Women you are sleeping with can be given the boot with no thought the instant a prettier one comes along,but it's hard to give the boot to a woman who is part mother in your sub-conscious.

@sneakypete
Well that may be... But what they don't know is that my own mamma knows better than to get her hand between my plate and my face. She might even get away with it... but she knows better. Leave me be when I'm eating.

But I am wired different than most, seriously. I may have cheated some when I was early at it, figuring things out, but as a rule, once a woman is MY woman, I don't need no other. I do not recall a single time cheating on my woman... So whatever they are doing it for it ain't necessary.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 16, 2019, 12:37:57 PM
I think females steal food from our plates because they don't count the calories and they can freely cheat on their diets.  It's not more complicated than that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 16, 2019, 08:10:47 PM
Meh, they can all be put to work stopping people from shoplifting. A robot cannot do that yet, and these self-checkout deals are prone to that sort of thing.

Stop shoplifting. Then we don't need a robot to tag you.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 16, 2019, 08:15:43 PM
@sneakypete
 

But I am wired different than most, seriously. I may have cheated some when I was early at it, figuring things out, but as a rule, once a woman is MY woman, I don't need no other. I do not recall a single time cheating on my woman... So whatever they are doing it for it ain't necessary.

@roamer_1

Believe it or not,I am in complete agreement with you on this. Casual dating is one thing,but once you agree to live together or get married,you have made both real and implies promises,and promises are meant to be kept if you want to maintain your self-respect. If you can't get along with her or she starts playing that "no sex for you because you won't buy me a new whatever" game,tell her to clean her act up or hit the road,but don't start shopping around for a replacement while she is still there. Not if you want to keep your self-respect.

What she does is on her. If you catch her cheating,toss her ass out in the yard and be done with it so you can move on and find something real. If you have no self-respect for yourself,you can't expect her to respect you,and visa versa.

If you can't be honest on the family level,you have no honesty and you have no family. You are a shell of a human passing yourself off as a man. Or woman,as the case may be.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 16, 2019, 08:17:08 PM
I think females steal food from our plates because they don't count the calories and they can freely cheat on their diets.  It's not more complicated than that.

@Cyber Liberty

There is a GREAT deal of truth in that one!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 08:20:40 PM
@roamer_1

Believe it or not,I am in complete agreement with you on this. Casual dating is one thing,but once you agree to live together or get married,you have made both real and implies promises,and promises are meant to be kept if you want to maintain your self-respect. If you can't get along with her or she starts playing that "no sex for you because you won't buy me a new whatever" game,tell her to clean her act up or hit the road,but don't start shopping around for a replacement while she is still there. Not if you want to keep your self-respect.

What she does is on her. If you catch her cheating,toss her ass out in the yard and be done with it so you can move on and find something real. If you have no self-respect for yourself,you can't expect her to respect you,and visa versa.

If you can't be honest on the family level,you have no honesty and you have no family. You are a shell of a human passing yourself off as a man. Or woman,as the case may be.

That's right.
 :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 16, 2019, 08:41:21 PM
I want you all to know this.

I have a high regard for you all. Because these side conversations prove, PROVE, that there is that ineffable quality in people that makes them human. That makes you human.

AI is here. Robots are here.

Dealing with them is something we are all going to have to do. Whether at work, the store, or at home. They are everywhere.

Keep being human. Keep being people. Pass it along.

They have PROVEN that big social media and "smart" devices F**K people up. At what point do you kick that cheating spying no good POS down the road? After it has destroyed your life?

A very good example of what I am trying to say has been said in the last posts.

Thank you.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 16, 2019, 08:48:13 PM
@Cyber Liberty

There is a GREAT deal of truth in that one!

Maybe even a kernel.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 16, 2019, 08:50:35 PM
Maybe even a kernel.

major to kernal generally speaking of private matters

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 16, 2019, 10:29:05 PM
@roamer_1

Believe it or not,I am in complete agreement with you on this. Casual dating is one thing,but once you agree to live together or get married,you have made both real and implies promises,and promises are meant to be kept if you want to maintain your self-respect. If you can't get along with her or she starts playing that "no sex for you because you won't buy me a new whatever" game,tell her to clean her act up or hit the road,but don't start shopping around for a replacement while she is still there. Not if you want to keep your self-respect.

What she does is on her. If you catch her cheating,toss her ass out in the yard and be done with it so you can move on and find something real. If you have no self-respect for yourself,you can't expect her to respect you,and visa versa.

If you can't be honest on the family level,you have no honesty and you have no family. You are a shell of a human passing yourself off as a man. Or woman,as the case may be.
I am in solid agreement with all of that.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 18, 2019, 12:17:10 AM
 :tongue2:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 20, 2019, 05:23:44 AM
Of all the things sade there only is that .

Speak it.

Of all the things said there only is that,
.

Speak it.


I do. Every day. Anf there is a butterfly. No. There isn't any reply. They can't.


They can't speak the Word
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 22, 2019, 07:00:08 AM
Watch Elon Musk's Neuralink presentation - YouTube

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA77zsJ31nA#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 22, 2019, 07:03:02 AM
 https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-unveils-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-wants-to-have-human-trials-in-2020 (https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-unveils-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-wants-to-have-human-trials-in-2020)

Elon Musk Wants To Connect Human Brains Directly To Computers Next Year

You need Elon Musk’s new invention like you need a hole in your head.

Late Tuesday night, the Tesla and SpaceX founder unwrapped new details on work that would allow humans to transmit data straight from their brains to their computers. Musk’s project, called Neuralink, plans to start clinical trials in humans by the end of 2020.

The humans who choose to embed Neuralink wires in their brains next year should expect to have four small holes drilled into their head. Neuralink will thread wires into the brain and patch the skull holes with a computer chip, which can connect wirelessly to an iPhone app. The company touted its innovation around those threads as a big breakthrough toward a functional brain-computer interface.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2019, 07:58:41 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-unveils-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-wants-to-have-human-trials-in-2020 (https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-unveils-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-wants-to-have-human-trials-in-2020)

Elon Musk Wants To Connect Human Brains Directly To Computers Next Year

You need Elon Musk’s new invention like you need a hole in your head.

Late Tuesday night, the Tesla and SpaceX founder unwrapped new details on work that would allow humans to transmit data straight from their brains to their computers. Musk’s project, called Neuralink, plans to start clinical trials in humans by the end of 2020.

The humans who choose to embed Neuralink wires in their brains next year should expect to have four small holes drilled into their head. Neuralink will thread wires into the brain and patch the skull holes with a computer chip, which can connect wirelessly to an iPhone app. The company touted its innovation around those threads as a big breakthrough toward a functional brain-computer interface.

@bigheadfred

What could possibly go wrong with a plan like that?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 22, 2019, 08:26:18 AM
@bigheadfred

What could possibly go wrong with a plan like that?

There are millions of people out there with a lot of empty space in their heads. They could turn zombies into--zombies.

Think of the fun you could have if you were walking down the street one day and everybody stops and stares at you...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2019, 06:22:49 PM
There are millions of people out there with a lot of empty space in their heads. They could turn zombies into--zombies.

Think of the fun you could have if you were walking down the street one day and everybody stops and stares at you...
Actually, I was thinking what an EMP could do for the unenhanced folks who refused to get wired in...something like the ending of Surrogates....only it wouldn't be machines laying on the sidewalk.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 22, 2019, 06:44:17 PM
Actually, I was thinking what an EMP could do for the unenhanced folks who refused to get wired in...something like the ending of Surrogates....only it wouldn't be machines laying on the sidewalk.

There may be something to that in the prophecy, @Smokin Joe ... About the low being made high, and the high being brought low...

Nothing says low like a hillbilly growing his own way up in the sticks...
And an EMP would do little or nothing to him... He might not even know it happened...
But he's a prince next time he gets to town, because folks would need to know what he knows if they are going to survive at all.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2019, 06:57:56 PM
There may be something to that in the prophecy, @Smokin Joe ... About the low being made high, and the high being brought low...

Nothing says low like a hillbilly growing his own way up in the sticks...
And an EMP would do little or nothing to him... He might not even know it happened...
But he's a prince next time he gets to town, because folks would need to know what he knows if they are going to survive at all.
It isn't just that @roamer_1 , it's the idea that if you have your brain wired to control other, outside objects, the neural centers tapped to control those objects would be vulnerable to severe electrical discharges, or even induced current during an EMP. In short, those centers could be fried as a result of being wired in if an EMP were to occur. I would think proximity to any fast changing magnetic field would cause problems, too.

So, the high and mighty could participate in a group zot that would reduce them to slackjawed droolers in a millesecond.

That's not to mention the lack of inherent ability to operate their world on 'manual' even if they weren't debilitated otherwise.

I've noticed kids who were raised with a dishwasher (not as the dishwasher, if you get my drift), don't have a clue how to wash dishes in a sink. That not only dooms them to cases of acute gastroenteritis and the screaming yellow zonkers, but is indicative of how fundamentally reliant they are on technology.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 22, 2019, 07:10:46 PM
Actually, I was thinking what an EMP could do for the unenhanced folks who refused to get wired in...something like the ending of Surrogates....only it wouldn't be machines laying on the sidewalk.

"In a land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King,"
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 22, 2019, 07:35:35 PM
It isn't just that @roamer_1 , it's the idea that if you have your brain wired to control other, outside objects, the neural centers tapped to control those objects would be vulnerable to severe electrical discharges, or even induced current during an EMP. In short, those centers could be fried as a result of being wired in if an EMP were to occur. I would think proximity to any fast changing magnetic field would cause problems, too.

So, the high and mighty could participate in a group zot that would reduce them to slackjawed droolers in a millesecond.


@Smokin Joe
Hold on now... you're talking about implants and such, right? Not natural 'wiring'... synapses and such?

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That's not to mention the lack of inherent ability to operate their world on 'manual' even if they weren't debilitated otherwise.

I've noticed kids who were raised with a dishwasher (not as the dishwasher, if you get my drift), don't have a clue how to wash dishes in a sink. That not only dooms them to cases of acute gastroenteritis and the screaming yellow zonkers, but is indicative of how fundamentally reliant they are on technology.

I heard that. My elder boy is goin all suburban... WON'T bring his kids out to the ranch to do chores, which my mother would greatly appreciate, and what would do them kids more good than anything in the world... What an awful mistake, I think.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on July 22, 2019, 08:15:53 PM
It isn't just that @roamer_1 , it's the idea that if you have your brain wired to control other, outside objects, the neural centers tapped to control those objects would be vulnerable to severe electrical discharges, or even induced current during an EMP. In short, those centers could be fried as a result of being wired in if an EMP were to occur. I would think proximity to any fast changing magnetic field would cause problems, too.

So, the high and mighty could participate in a group zot that would reduce them to slackjawed droolers in a millesecond.

That's not to mention the lack of inherent ability to operate their world on 'manual' even if they weren't debilitated otherwise.

I've noticed kids who were raised with a dishwasher (not as the dishwasher, if you get my drift), don't have a clue how to wash dishes in a sink. That not only dooms them to cases of acute gastroenteritis and the screaming yellow zonkers, but is indicative of how fundamentally reliant they are on technology.

(http://www.michaelcrichton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/book-terminalman.jpg)

First "real" book I ever read.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 22, 2019, 08:25:20 PM
@Smokin Joe
Hold on now... you're talking about implants and such, right? Not natural 'wiring'... synapses and such?
Yep. I see that as the next step.
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I heard that. My elder boy is goin all suburban... WON'T bring his kids out to the ranch to do chores, which my mother would greatly appreciate, and what would do them kids more good than anything in the world... What an awful mistake, I think.
It's funny how people whine about kids not having a 'work ethic', and then won't let them do anything until they are 16 or 18.
We were driving tractor well before ten, (If you weren't, your friends wondered what was wrong with you), often took our own boats out fishing (I found three by the time I was out of high school, two wooden skiffs and one jon boat, put the ads in the papers of record (both counties) and they weren't claimed, kept one, sold one, and gave the first skiff to my grand father), and generally were pretty competent at most anything that might come up. I was a full fledged volunteer fireman and had completed my EMT by my 18th birthday.
Kids nowadays don't have those skill sets, except in rare instances. and now, by the time kids can get into it, they are into something else, for the most part.  I think that's a big mistake. You learn to love work young, the feeling of accomplishment, the feeling of self-reliance, and the lack of fear that brings are good for any kid.
 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2019, 08:59:00 PM
@Smokin Joe
Hold on now... you're talking about implants and such, right? Not natural 'wiring'... synapses and such?

I heard that. My elder boy is goin all suburban... WON'T bring his kids out to the ranch to do chores, which my mother would greatly appreciate, and what would do them kids more good than anything in the world... What an awful mistake, I think.

@roamer_1

I am in 100 percent agreement with the basic assumption that manual labor is very definitely a GOOD thing for both children and adults. Not as a way of life,mind you. Manual laborers are one step away from welfare and AFDC all their lives,but teach a child the value of "sweat equity" when it comes to building something,and it is a lesson he or she will remember with fondness all their lives. It's creation on a personal level,and the natural "chemical rush" you get when the job is complete and done right,combined with how your appetite makes the food taste better and makes you sleep better,is something beyond monetary value.

Yeah,city people get "sweat equity" in their high-tech gyms,but at the end of the day all they have is sweaty clothes to show for their efforts. Compared to painting a house or building a fence,that is nothing.

PLUS,jobs like that allow the adults to interact with the children to teach them how to operate tools,plan jobs,and build things. You will NEVER get that at a gym.

Just make sure you confiscate their I-Pods when they show up,or the little bastids will disappear on you.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2019, 09:01:04 PM

Kids nowadays don't have those skill sets, except in rare instances. and now, by the time kids can get into it, they are into something else, for the most part.  I think that's a big mistake. You learn to love work young, the feeling of accomplishment, the feeling of self-reliance, and the lack of fear that brings are good for any kid.

@Smokin Joe

Seems like the Boy Scouts are useless now as anything other than a social club.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 22, 2019, 09:45:39 PM
@roamer_1

I am in 100 percent agreement with the basic assumption that manual labor is very definitely a GOOD thing for both children and adults. Not as a way of life,mind you. Manual laborers are one step away from welfare and AFDC all their lives,but teach a child the value of "sweat equity" when it comes to building something,and it is a lesson he or she will remember with fondness all their lives. It's creation on a personal level,and the natural "chemical rush" you get when the job is complete and done right,combined with how your appetite makes the food taste better and makes you sleep better,is something beyond monetary value.

Yeah,city people get "sweat equity" in their high-tech gyms,but at the end of the day all they have is sweaty clothes to show for their efforts. Compared to painting a house or building a fence,that is nothing.

PLUS,jobs like that allow the adults to interact with the children to teach them how to operate tools,plan jobs,and build things. You will NEVER get that at a gym.

Just make sure you confiscate their I-Pods when they show up,or the little bastids will disappear on you.

That's all right, @sneakypete
But there is something more than just learning the value of work - I mean there is something more than that on the farm. Something intrinsic to life... The interaction with critters, understanding how they are, understanding that your food means one of them has to die. Having the responsibility to make sure they have food and water, or they die.

It is something visceral, something deeply real... I can't explain it.

I would submit that every person should have to spend time on a farm, spend time in MIL or LE, and spend time in some sort of church or community outreach toward the sick or poor...

It is important to know the bloody end of the knife, as it were, and the need for mercy when it is due. Things I cannot understand how a hoomin bean can be called fully equipped without.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 22, 2019, 09:53:37 PM
Yep. I see that as the next step.

@Smokin Joe
Ah.... yep. I see where you are going.

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It's funny how people whine about kids not having a 'work ethic', and then won't let them do anything until they are 16 or 18.
We were driving tractor well before ten, (If you weren't, your friends wondered what was wrong with you), often took our own boats out fishing (I found three by the time I was out of high school, two wooden skiffs and one jon boat, put the ads in the papers of record (both counties) and they weren't claimed, kept one, sold one, and gave the first skiff to my grand father), and generally were pretty competent at most anything that might come up. I was a full fledged volunteer fireman and had completed my EMT by my 18th birthday.
Kids nowadays don't have those skill sets, except in rare instances. and now, by the time kids can get into it, they are into something else, for the most part.  I think that's a big mistake. You learn to love work young, the feeling of accomplishment, the feeling of self-reliance, and the lack of fear that brings are good for any kid.

Yep. That's all right. Me too - I came late to the west. About 6th grade. Quite a difference coming from urban Chicago. In one summer I went from knowing nothing much to caring for chickens, cows, and horses, driving tractors and pickups and hay trucks... backing up trailers... learned how to shoot and trap as well as my friends in the course of a year or so... And knocked my first deer in the noggin the next season. And always chores. Just part of living.

It was a helluva learning curve, but the trade off, I soon found, was liberty... Responsibility leads to liberty... And once found, liberty is not something one gives up.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 22, 2019, 10:01:47 PM
Actually, I was thinking what an EMP could do for the unenhanced folks who refused to get wired in...something like the ending of Surrogates....only it wouldn't be machines laying on the sidewalk.

Yeah, it would still be machines laying on the sidewalk.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 22, 2019, 10:14:14 PM

First "real" book I ever read.

I've read most of his books. But I don't recall that one. Have to look it up on Kindle.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 22, 2019, 10:53:56 PM
@Smokin Joe
Ah.... yep. I see where you are going.

Yep. That's all right. Me too - I came late to the west. About 6th grade. Quite a difference coming from urban Chicago. In one summer I went from knowing nothing much to caring for chickens, cows, and horses, driving tractors and pickups and hay trucks... backing up trailers... learned how to shoot and trap as well as my friends in the course of a year or so... And knocked my first deer in the noggin the next season. And always chores. Just part of living.

It was a helluva learning curve, but the trade off, I soon found, was liberty... Responsibility leads to liberty... And once found, liberty is not something one gives up.

Most people don't and won't ever understand that.  They'll be lining up and waiting days in advance to get augmentations.

But this has been talked about before. You are only going to get the quality of tech that you can afford.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 23, 2019, 09:07:52 PM
With $1 Billion From Microsoft, an A.I. Lab Wants to Mimic the Brain

By Cade Metz

    July 22, 2019

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwibltHzrszjAhUBoZ4KHZaWBOIQFjADegQIABAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F07%2F22%2Ftechnology%2Fopen-ai-microsoft.html&usg=AOvVaw084zPzE_1iQkMika0ZsIrw (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwibltHzrszjAhUBoZ4KHZaWBOIQFjADegQIABAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F07%2F22%2Ftechnology%2Fopen-ai-microsoft.html&usg=AOvVaw084zPzE_1iQkMika0ZsIrw)

SAN FRANCISCO — As the waitress approached the table, Sam Altman held up his phone. That made it easier to see the dollar amount typed into an investment contract he had spent the last 30 days negotiating with Microsoft.

“$1,000,000,000,” it read.

The investment from Microsoft, signed early this month and announced on Monday, signals a new direction for Mr. Altman’s research lab.

In March, Mr. Altman stepped down from his daily duties as the head of Y Combinator, the start-up “accelerator” that catapulted him into the Silicon Valley elite. Now, at 34, he is the chief executive of OpenAI, the artificial intelligence lab he helped create in 2015 with Elon Musk, the billionaire chief executive of the electric carmaker Tesla.

Mr. Musk left the lab last year to concentrate on his own A.I. ambitions at Tesla. Since then, Mr. Altman has remade OpenAI, founded as a nonprofit, into a for-profit company so it could more aggressively pursue financing. Now he has landed a marquee investor to help it chase an outrageously lofty goal.
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He and his team of researchers hope to build artificial general intelligence, or A.G.I., a machine that can do anything the human brain can do.

A.G.I. still has a whiff of science fiction. But in their agreement, Microsoft and OpenAI discuss the possibility with the same matter-of-fact language they might apply to any other technology they hope to build, whether it’s a cloud-computing service or a new kind of robotic arm.

“My goal in running OpenAI is to successfully create broadly beneficial A.G.I.,” Mr. Altman said in a recent interview. “And this partnership is the most important milestone so far on that path.”

In recent years, a small but fervent community of artificial intelligence researchers have set their sights on A.G.I., and they are backed by some of the wealthiest companies in the world. DeepMind, a top lab owned by Google’s parent company, says it is chasing the same goal.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 23, 2019, 09:13:45 PM
How A.I. Could Be Weaponized to Spread Disinformation

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc8O2Or8zjAhUBoZ4KHZaWBOIQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Finteractive%2F2019%2F06%2F07%2Ftechnology%2Fai-text-disinformation.html&usg=AOvVaw0eblyhz0ogAwiKT6_4rGtH (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc8O2Or8zjAhUBoZ4KHZaWBOIQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Finteractive%2F2019%2F06%2F07%2Ftechnology%2Fai-text-disinformation.html&usg=AOvVaw0eblyhz0ogAwiKT6_4rGtH)

By CADE METZ and SCOTT BLUMENTHAL JUNE 7, 2019

In 2017, an online disinformation campaign spread against the “White Helmets,” claiming that the group of aid volunteers was serving as an arm of Western governments to sow unrest in Syria.

This false information was convincing. But the Russian organization behind the campaign ultimately gave itself away because it repeated the same text across many different fake news sites.

Now, researchers at the world’s top artificial intelligence labs are honing technology that can mimic how humans write, which could potentially help disinformation campaigns go undetected by generating huge amounts of subtly different messages.

One of the statements below is an example from the disinformation campaign. A.I. technology created the other. Guess which one is A.I.:

The White Helmets alleged involvement in organ, child trafficking and staged events in Syria.

The White Helmets secretly videotaped the execution of a man and his 3 year old daughter in Aleppo, Syria.

Tech giants like Facebook and governments around the world are struggling to deal with disinformation, from misleading posts about vaccines to incitement of sectarian violence. As artificial intelligence becomes more powerful, experts worry that disinformation generated by A.I. could make an already complex problem bigger and even more difficult to solve.

In recent months, two prominent labs — OpenAI in San Francisco and the Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence in Seattle — have built particularly powerful examples of this technology. Both have warned that it could become increasingly dangerous.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 23, 2019, 09:28:56 PM
Makes me wonder what brain they want to mimic?

If it is one of these---

(https://i.imgur.com/iHbnhrW.jpg)

---we are in deep doodoo...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 23, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WTklxlf.gif)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 23, 2019, 10:20:42 PM
LOL!  @bigheadfred!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2019, 10:06:49 PM
How A.I. Could Be Weaponized to Spread Disinformation

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc8O2Or8zjAhUBoZ4KHZaWBOIQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Finteractive%2F2019%2F06%2F07%2Ftechnology%2Fai-text-disinformation.html&usg=AOvVaw0eblyhz0ogAwiKT6_4rGtH (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc8O2Or8zjAhUBoZ4KHZaWBOIQFjAAegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Finteractive%2F2019%2F06%2F07%2Ftechnology%2Fai-text-disinformation.html&usg=AOvVaw0eblyhz0ogAwiKT6_4rGtH)

By CADE METZ and SCOTT BLUMENTHAL JUNE 7, 2019

In 2017, an online disinformation campaign spread against the “White Helmets,” claiming that the group of aid volunteers was serving as an arm of Western governments to sow unrest in Syria.

This false information was convincing. But the Russian organization behind the campaign ultimately gave itself away because it repeated the same text across many different fake news sites.

Now, researchers at the world’s top artificial intelligence labs are honing technology that can mimic how humans write, which could potentially help disinformation campaigns go undetected by generating huge amounts of subtly different messages.

One of the statements below is an example from the disinformation campaign. A.I. technology created the other. Guess which one is A.I.:

The White Helmets alleged involvement in organ, child trafficking and staged events in Syria.

The White Helmets secretly videotaped the execution of a man and his 3 year old daughter in Aleppo, Syria.

Tech giants like Facebook and governments around the world are struggling to deal with disinformation, from misleading posts about vaccines to incitement of sectarian violence. As artificial intelligence becomes more powerful, experts worry that disinformation generated by A.I. could make an already complex problem bigger and even more difficult to solve.

In recent months, two prominent labs — OpenAI in San Francisco and the Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence in Seattle — have built particularly powerful examples of this technology. Both have warned that it could become increasingly dangerous.
Does this mean the writers at AP would lose their jobs?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2019, 10:09:27 PM
Makes me wonder what brain they want to mimic?

If it is one of these---

(https://i.imgur.com/iHbnhrW.jpg)

---we are in deep doodoo...
Those parrots have someone else teaching them what to say.

I think they are after Artificial intelligence, after all. (the new Tower of Babel).
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 24, 2019, 10:15:07 PM
Does this mean the writers at AP would lose their jobs?

If you have any questions about whether or not this is already being used, go watch this short video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1154086058918916097
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2019, 10:18:11 PM
If you have any questions about whether or not this is already being used, go watch this short video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1154086058918916097
Even before I watch it, and I will, I long ago noticed the homogeneity in buzzwords and story phrases that popped up in the MSM stories, whether on TV, radio, or in print, and how they appeared suddenly, all over the media spectrum within the same news cycle. That takes either coordination, central planning, or press releases and people not adept enough to put things in their own words.

Edit: After seeing the video, yep.  Now, what I noticed is that the same effect has been present since 'W' was POTUS, and it has been used to praise as well as defame. In short, all the MSM news is from the same machine, be it AI or not.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2019, 10:23:11 PM
Even before I watch it, and I will, I long ago noticed the homogeneity in buzzwords and story phrases that popped up in the MSM stories, whether on TV, radio, or in print, and how they appeared suddenly, all over the media spectrum within the same news cycle. That takes either coordination, central planning, or press releases and people not adept enough to put things in their own words.

AP's been writing the stories since Hector was a pup.
The only way that matters is if you believe em, which I certainly don't.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2019, 10:24:44 PM
AP's been writing the stories since Hector was a pup.
The only way that matters is if you believe em, which I certainly don't.
Well, I recall UPI, too, but when I see the AP byline, I can save time, because if you've read one, you've read them all.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 24, 2019, 10:47:17 PM
Well, I recall UPI, too, but when I see the AP byline, I can save time, because if you've read one, you've read them all.
@roamer_1  @Sanguine

… We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond
Who comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye



Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2019, 10:53:40 PM

… We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond
Who comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye [/i][/b]

@bigheadfred

Dirty Laundry.
Get Over It

 :beer:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2019, 10:55:17 PM
@roamer_1  @Sanguine

… We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond
Who comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye

Dirty Laundry

Should be followed with Money for nothing

Between the two, it pretty much sums up the evening news.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 24, 2019, 10:59:15 PM
@roamer_1  @Sanguine

… We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond
Who comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye


Yep. 

One word that really shows it is "horrific".  I can't remember the story from maybe 10 years ago, but suddenly it was the word to use.   Used to be "horrible", but the hive mind liked "horrific" suddenly and now everything is horrific.  It was amazing to watch.

Sort of like when I was a kid I remember the sudden, universal shift from que-pon to koo-pon (coupon).  Hive minds.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2019, 11:10:50 PM
Yep. 

One word that really shows it is "horrific".  I can't remember the story from maybe 10 years ago, but suddenly it was the word to use.   Used to be "horrible", but the hive mind liked "horrific" suddenly and now everything is horrific.  It was amazing to watch.

Sort of like when I was a kid I remember the sudden, universal shift from que-pon to koo-pon (coupon).  Hive minds.
The change in emphasis in "harassment", and maybe all my science teachers had mispronounced "Uranus" (your-anus changed to to urine-us), but that pronunciation changed, too.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: thackney on July 25, 2019, 08:47:19 AM
Even before I watch it, and I will, I long ago noticed the homogeneity in buzzwords and story phrases that popped up in the MSM stories, whether on TV, radio, or in print, and how they appeared suddenly, all over the media spectrum within the same news cycle. That takes either coordination, central planning, or press releases and people not adept enough to put things in their own words.

Edit: After seeing the video, yep.  Now, what I noticed is that the same effect has been present since 'W' was POTUS, and it has been used to praise as well as defame. In short, all the MSM news is from the same machine, be it AI or not.

I remember when Dick Cheney was first suggested for V.P.  Every news/opinion pieces or broadcast used "gravitas" in their description of him.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 25, 2019, 09:23:07 AM
I remember when Dick Cheney was first suggested for V.P.  Every news/opinion pieces or broadcast used "gravitas" in their description of him.

Yes!  That was another one.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 25, 2019, 06:40:13 PM
As if it makes me miss Valley Girl speak. Like I totally liked tripendicular, like it was so seriesly bitchin' tripendicular.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 25, 2019, 07:10:42 PM
Those parrots have someone else teaching them what to say.

I think they are after Artificial intelligence, after all. (the new Tower of Babel).

What they are after is the WORD.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2013692.html#msg2013692 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg2013692.html#msg2013692)

Of all the things sade there only is that .

Speak it.

Of all the things said there only is that,

Speak it.

I do. Every day. And there is a butterfly. No. There isn't any reply. They can't.

They can't speak the Word.


What I meant in this post was what they are reaching for, building, is the 'tower' of knowledge that will enable them to break straight through the sky.

There will be nothing they cannot achieve, or do, if they accomplish this.

I don't speak the Word. In the speech sense. I speak the Word in the Name of Jesus Christ.

I have tried to keep the religion aspect from this thread. But it is EXACTLY that.

And there will soon come a point when you have to choose.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 07:04:43 PM
AI is getting more in touch with your emotions

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjBvpO_ntvjAhXVs54KHTaBA2YQFjABegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnet.com%2Fnews%2Fai-is-getting-more-in-touch-with-your-emotions%2F&usg=AOvVaw2vjnx4EoS1MRk1sCt_sbrr (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjBvpO_ntvjAhXVs54KHTaBA2YQFjABegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnet.com%2Fnews%2Fai-is-getting-more-in-touch-with-your-emotions%2F&usg=AOvVaw2vjnx4EoS1MRk1sCt_sbrr)

EmoNet, a neural network model, was accurately able to pair images to 11 emotion categories.

    By
    Dhara Singh

July 29, 2019 11:58 AM PDT

Artificial intelligence might one day start communicating our emotions better than we do. EmoNet, neural network model developed by researchers at the University of Colorado and Duke University, was accurately able to classify images into 11 different emotion categories.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 29, 2019, 07:08:25 PM
I don't want to get in touch with my emotions.    **nononono*
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
I don't want to get in touch with my emotions.    **nononono*

I know, right?

The only thing I want a robot to "feel' is a hammer to the head.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 07:31:16 PM
I know, right?

The only thing I want a robot to "feel' is a hammer to the head.

In the end, it is a machine. Unplug it, and it will harm no one.

Transhumanism - in the vein of melding man and machine is another thing altogether.
As is the other transhumanism - messin with the genes...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 29, 2019, 07:38:10 PM
In the end, it is a machine. Unplug it, and it will harm no one.

Transhumanism - in the vein of melding man and machine is another thing altogether.
As is the other transhumanism - messin with the genes...

I think the problems will arise long before any genes are messed with.  AI threatens to create dependencies, like my cell phone has.  It remembers every number that's called me.  I used to memorize or write down phone numbers, now sometimes I can't remember my own.  I had the cell for better than 20 years before I memorized its number...mainly because I never gave it out to anybody.

I still get calls on it asking me if I want to extend my auto's warranty.  :shrug:  When I'm sporting, I ask them if they can extend my car's 10-year warranty on my HEV battery for the hybrid drive.  {click!}
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 07:56:20 PM
In the end, it is a machine. Unplug it, and it will harm no one.

Transhumanism - in the vein of melding man and machine is another thing altogether.
As is the other transhumanism - messin with the genes...

Both are happening now. They were forecasting the Singularity for about the year 2050. Some are saying much earlier.

A couple of those earlier articles I posted. If they can keep the hardware up to the software they will hit it earlier than the Futurists and other experts in the field have predicted.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
The Transhuman Transition – Lotus Eaters vs World Eaters

https://danfaggella.com/the-transhuman-transition-lotus-eaters-vs-world-eaters/

 Controlling Intelligent Substrate, Creating or Enhancing Consciousness, Digitized and Digested, Exploring the End Game, Facilitating Post-human Transition Collaboration, Managing the Transhuman Transition, Transhuman Transition

Human nature has always been to gain control over the physical world — both in maximizing its output for our benefit (farming, mining, etc), and in lessening the risks it poses to human life and wellbeing (medicine, construction, etc). This same drive for control compels us to manipulate the virtual world, with the emergence of a triad of technologies that have the potential to profoundly transform the human experience into something unimaginably different from what it is today.

/snip/

Pleasure (“The Lotus Eaters”)
lotus eaters

Odysseus and his companions in the land of the blissful and care-free lotus eaters. From Homer’s Odyssey. Source

    “Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the whole aim and end of human existence.” – Aristotle

I posit that a large segment of humanity will adopt transhuman technologies in order to escape from pain, and experience more pleasure.

I argue that this is an attempt (maybe one that can be successful, who knows), to escape the intense Darwinian competition and combat inherent in being alive by leaving it behind.

People with this motive might be referred to as “lotus eaters”, after the blissful and lethargic people in Homer’s Odyssey – who live off of narcotic lotuses on a secluded island.

/snip/


Power (“The World Eaters”)

    “World eaters,” in contrast with “lotus eaters,” will sacrifice their human condition entirely in an attempt to be as productive, powerful, or influential as possible. This image is taken from a painting of Caesar’s crossing of the Rubicon – a symbolic act of risking everything in the pursuit of control and power. Source: Wikipedia

    “If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it.” – Gaius Julius Caesar

I posit that a large segment of humanity will adopt transhuman technologies in order to gain control, power, and prestige.

I argue that this is an attempt to engage fully in the intense Darwinian competition of life – in an attempt to achieve security and/or prominence through dominance.

Almost unlimited power will be afforded to the person or group who controls the physical computers which house (a) the great artificial intelligence powers, and (b) the sentient and virtual experiences of people and AI agents. I am of the belief that in the coming century, almost all economic competition, political competition, and war will ultimately be a proxy for obtaining this pinnacle of technological control and power.

Indeed that quote from Caesar alludes to this very dynamic. The ultimate (in the literal sense) race for power will not be for market supremacy or the leadership of a nation, but for the dominance over all of intelligence itself – truly God-like power.

I’ve chosen to refer to people bent on the power motive as “world eaters” – as a direct contrast to pleasure-driven “lotus eaters.”
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 08:04:31 PM
Both are happening now. They were forecasting the Singularity for about the year 2050. Some are saying much earlier.

A couple of those earlier articles I posted. If they can keep the hardware up to the software they will hit it earlier than the Futurists and other experts in the field have predicted.

SO VERY FOOLISH.  **nononono*

As in the days of Noah...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 08:06:43 PM
The Transhuman Transition – Lotus Eaters vs World Eaters


That is probably right.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 08:07:47 PM
I think the problems will arise long before any genes are messed with.  AI threatens to create dependencies, like my cell phone has.  It remembers every number that's called me.  I used to memorize or write down phone numbers, now sometimes I can't remember my own.  I had the cell for better than 20 years before I memorized its number...mainly because I never gave it out to anybody.

That's right - I used to easy carry 200 numbers in my head... Now I can't even remember my own cell number - same as you. I don't do math in my head anymore - too easy to let Giggles do it.

Especially since I went SmartPhone, sometime last year. It is really a little frightening how quickly little Miss Googlepants took over my secretarial duties. Heck, for a while there, I had my Near-missus tellin Miss Googlepants how my calendar needed added to - Just like a real secretary, she handles it all.
Miss Googlepants... I call her Giggles... Say 'Hey Giggles" it works.

Just last night I asked Giggles to remind me to lock the dang gate. When the HECK have I ever needed a reminder to lock a gate? I am a cowboy... Gates are EVERYTHING, dang it.

And what's really a bother: When lil' Giggles reminded me... I THANKED her. and what's even worse than that... I intrinsically just called IT 'her'  **nononono*

Quote
I still get calls on it asking me if I want to extend my auto's warranty.  :shrug:  When I'm sporting, I ask them if they can extend my car's 10-year warranty on my HEV battery for the hybrid drive.  {click!}

Hehe... yeah... I tell em sure... and then tell em it's a 78 chevy 1/2 T 4x.... [click]
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 08:11:39 PM
That is probably right.

Unfortunately. At least for people like me. I refuse to be either one.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on July 29, 2019, 08:14:01 PM
I think the problems will arise long before any genes are messed with.  AI threatens to create dependencies, like my cell phone has.  It remembers every number that's called me.  I used to memorize or write down phone numbers, now sometimes I can't remember my own.  I had the cell for better than 20 years before I memorized its number...mainly because I never gave it out to anybody.

I still get calls on it asking me if I want to extend my auto's warranty.  :shrug:  When I'm sporting, I ask them if they can extend my car's 10-year warranty on my HEV battery for the hybrid drive.  {click!}

Do the first six numbers (incl area code) on the caller id match the first six of your cell? 

That's the range I'm seeing now.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on July 29, 2019, 08:16:38 PM
Larry Niven’s Droud users, or wireheads.  People with an implant that electrically stimulates the brains pleasure centers.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 08:16:48 PM
Unfortunately. At least for people like me. I refuse to be either one.

Me too - though I have elected a different path... I suppress my luddite tendencies to embrace the devil.
It is going to be so pervasive that I am going to need to be able to understand it. To hack it.

Ghost in the machine... Luddite IRL.  :seeya:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 08:16:56 PM
I have a notecard in my lunchbox with my home phone number on it. But hey, I got enough account numbers right to deposit my paycheck today.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on July 29, 2019, 08:22:11 PM
Do the first six numbers (incl area code) on the caller id match the first six of your cell? 

That's the range I'm seeing now.

Yes! Repeatedly.  And, the people at that number have no idea that their number was spoofed.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 08:22:12 PM
Larry Niven’s Droud users, or wireheads.  People with an implant that electrically stimulates the brains pleasure centers.

Imagine that, writ large, with hackers figuring out how to mess with it over the net...

Or worse than that, business and government entities tickling your fancy... But only when you do what they want... Holy crap, that's crazy.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 08:23:14 PM
Me too - though I have elected a different path... I suppress my luddite tendencies to embrace the devil.
It is going to be so pervasive that I am going to need to be able to understand it. To hack it.

Ghost in the machine... Luddite IRL.  :seeya:

I suppress mine. I understand it enough to reject it. And when the time comes I'll switch from hammer to hack it. To death.

In a way, a self-driving car would be a great gift compared to the number of people who have a driver's license but shouldn't.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on July 29, 2019, 08:27:14 PM
Imagine that, writ large, with hackers figuring out how to mess with it over the net...

Or worse than that, business and government entities tickling your fancy... But only when you do what they want... Holy crap, that's crazy.


The good cyber dystopian literature has plenty of examples.  I’ll try to remember some of the authors when I get home. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 08:37:55 PM
I suppress mine. I understand it enough to reject it. And when the time comes I'll switch from hammer to hack it. To death..

I am almost ready. When the time comes, I will just walk off.
20 acres in a corporate trust with enough $$ to pay the taxes indefinitely.
Hanging valley, almost inaccessible. Hardly needs fencing.
Probably snow machine in the winter, barely 4x4 in the summer. Gotta wade a creek in a single bottleneck to get into it. Totally off-grid. That's where my castle effort will be, with a few million acres right out the back door if I have to go hunter/gatherer.

Currently has a small underground hooch, but give me a year or two and it will get much better.

For now, a great place to find some peace...
When the time comes,
SEEYA.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
Imagine that, writ large, with hackers figuring out how to mess with it over the net...

Or worse than that, business and government entities tickling your fancy... But only when you do what they want... Holy crap, that's crazy.

@Bill Cipher

David Brin==author

The Postman

THE TRANSPARENT SOCIETY: Will Technology Force Us to Choose Between Privacy and Freedom?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 29, 2019, 08:56:19 PM
That's right - I used to easy carry 200 numbers in my head... Now I can't even remember my own cell number - same as you. I don't do math in my head anymore - too easy to let Giggles do it.

Especially since I went SmartPhone, sometime last year. It is really a little frightening how quickly little Miss Googlepants took over my secretarial duties. Heck, for a while there, I had my Near-missus tellin Miss Googlepants how my calendar needed added to - Just like a real secretary, she handles it all.
Miss Googlepants... I call her Giggles... Say 'Hey Giggles" it works.

Just last night I asked Giggles to remind me to lock the dang gate. When the HECK have I ever needed a reminder to lock a gate? I am a cowboy... Gates are EVERYTHING, dang it.

And what's really a bother: When lil' Giggles reminded me... I THANKED her. and what's even worse than that... I intrinsically just called IT 'her'  **nononono*

Hehe... yeah... I tell em sure... and then tell em it's a 78 chevy 1/2 T 4x.... [click]

LOL.  You have a 47 year old truck, I have a 300V battery that drives 'em nutz,  It's the size of where a small sub-trunk would go.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 09:01:26 PM
 By  Jessica Miley
March 25th, 2019

Top 9 Cybernetic Upgrades Everyone Will Want

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj3vMvAt9vjAhUSs54KHbDwA1MQFjAOegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Finterestingengineering.com%2Ftop-9-cybernetic-upgrades-everyone-will-want&usg=AOvVaw0O_uZTU05Pdbv2gmoi8RxD (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj3vMvAt9vjAhUSs54KHbDwA1MQFjAOegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Finterestingengineering.com%2Ftop-9-cybernetic-upgrades-everyone-will-want&usg=AOvVaw0O_uZTU05Pdbv2gmoi8RxD)

The term ‘cybernetics’ may mean many different things to different people. While the idea has been around its formal definition and application has shifted slightly in recent decades.

Back in 1948, Norbert Wiener defined cybernetics as "the scientific study of control and communication in the animal and the machine.” More recently cybernetics can conjure up images and ideas about the way humans and machines interact and control each other.

What does this complicated word mean to you?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 09:02:00 PM
LOL.  You have a 47 year old truck, I have a 300V battery that drives 'em nutz,  It's the size of where a small sub-trunk would go.

Yeah I know.. Folks up here get them batteries out of electric cars and hybrids for storage on off-grid solar systems. I have seen a few.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
More recently cybernetics can conjure up images and ideas about the way humans and machines interact and control each other.

 :terror:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
:terror:

Cats and cucumbers redux.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on July 29, 2019, 09:19:34 PM
Is artificial consciousness the solution to AI?

https://lifeboat.com/blog/2019/06/is-artificial-consciousness-the-solution-to-ai

by Peter Cawdron  Jun 24, 2019

The problem is we’ve developed artificial stupidity. Our best AI lacks actual intelligence. The most complex machine learning algorithm we’ve developed has no conscious awareness of what it’s doing.

Dumb AI is a serious problem with serious consequences for humanity.

Ok. Maybe self-driving cars will only take you to the scene of your accident...

(https://i.imgur.com/wwUaeRb.jpg)

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on July 29, 2019, 10:12:19 PM
I think the problems will arise long before any genes are messed with.  AI threatens to create dependencies, like my cell phone has. 


@Cyberchick

Was killing time in a McDonalds today reading a book while waiting for a dr appointment. 4 guys probably under 25 came in and sat near me that looked like some sort of construction workers. I looked around again several minutes later,and all 4 of them had their cell phones out,punching buttons on the keyboards. Not saying a word to each other,and completely oblivious to everything going on around them. These guys are already lost in the world of cyber addiction.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Bill Cipher on July 29, 2019, 10:16:56 PM
Imagine that, writ large, with hackers figuring out how to mess with it over the net...

Or worse than that, business and government entities tickling your fancy... But only when you do what they want... Holy crap, that's crazy.


Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World.  Not necessarily a mind-hack, but an interesting idea nonetheless. 

Then there are the cyber dystopias of William Gibson. 

It’s been years since I read any of them; now I’m dying to pick one up again.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on July 29, 2019, 10:31:02 PM
Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World.  Not necessarily a mind-hack, but an interesting idea nonetheless. 

Then there are the cyber dystopias of William Gibson. 

It’s been years since I read any of them; now I’m dying to pick one up again.

Thanks, I will pick em up next time I am at the bookstore...
Not really my bag - I tend toward the classics, and ancient texts... But I am not against something a little more contemporary.

Closest I have come to that sort of thing is Asimov, in any quantity.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 29, 2019, 10:46:02 PM
Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World.  Not necessarily a mind-hack, but an interesting idea nonetheless. 

Then there are the cyber dystopias of William Gibson. 

It’s been years since I read any of them; now I’m dying to pick one up again.

I D/L'ed the kindle of Wonderland...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 30, 2019, 05:19:24 AM
That's right - I used to easy carry 200 numbers in my head... Now I can't even remember my own cell number - same as you. I don't do math in my head anymore - too easy to let Giggles do it.

Especially since I went SmartPhone, sometime last year. It is really a little frightening how quickly little Miss Googlepants took over my secretarial duties. Heck, for a while there, I had my Near-missus tellin Miss Googlepants how my calendar needed added to - Just like a real secretary, she handles it all.
Miss Googlepants... I call her Giggles... Say 'Hey Giggles" it works.

Just last night I asked Giggles to remind me to lock the dang gate. When the HECK have I ever needed a reminder to lock a gate? I am a cowboy... Gates are EVERYTHING, dang it.

And what's really a bother: When lil' Giggles reminded me... I THANKED her. and what's even worse than that... I intrinsically just called IT 'her'  **nononono*

Hehe... yeah... I tell em sure... and then tell em it's a 78 chevy 1/2 T 4x.... [click]
I just hit the button to have them not call back. The ones here are all robocalls, and I refuse to do business with someone who won't even call me voice to voice. Besides, all my vehicles are old enough to vote, and one could have voted for or against FDR.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 30, 2019, 05:21:18 AM
Yes! Repeatedly.  And, the people at that number have no idea that their number was spoofed.
They are good enough here that they use numbers which have been disconnected.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 30, 2019, 05:23:12 AM
I suppress mine. I understand it enough to reject it. And when the time comes I'll switch from hammer to hack it. To death.

In a way, a self-driving car would be a great gift compared to the number of people who have a driver's license but shouldn't.
Only if it could drive better. The bad drivers can be a self-correcting problem, unfortunately, they tend to take others with them.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 30, 2019, 05:25:08 AM
The good cyber dystopian literature has plenty of examples.  I’ll try to remember some of the authors when I get home.
Larry Niven Tales of Known Space (the Tasp)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 08:26:42 PM
Human brains outdated? 'Inventive’ AI making abstract art just filed for two PATENTS

Published time: 1 Aug, 2019 22:50

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiEt6Ck9uLjAhXC7Z4KHVYyCoMQFjABegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F465607-artificial-intelligence-patents-inventions%2F&usg=AOvVaw0qs8WdRdIWvDVxqKM3Stap (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiEt6Ck9uLjAhXC7Z4KHVYyCoMQFjABegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F465607-artificial-intelligence-patents-inventions%2F&usg=AOvVaw0qs8WdRdIWvDVxqKM3Stap)

 A team of academics has filed two patents on behalf of an artificial intelligence program, which they say is the real brains behind their inventions. The development could disrupt intellectual property law the world over.

Known as the “device for the autonomous bootstrapping of unified sentience,” (DABUS), the system sits on the cutting edge of AI tech, capable of “inventive acts,” as well as what lowly organic lifeforms might call “creativity.”

After DABUS started inventing new products – designing a special interlocking food container easily grasped by industrial robots, and a unique emergency warning light – the system’s creator, Stephen Thaler, decided it was time to file for patents.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 08:32:10 PM
If you go to Europe and have the time, visit the Vincent Van Gogh Museum.

Pretty sure you can go right in. (Been a few years since I was there).

Wait time to visit the Heinekin Brewery will be hours. Even if you get there early.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 08:43:03 PM
"Have you ever noticed the popularity of white robots? The reason for these shades of technological white may be racism, according to new research," CNN tweeted.

Uh huh

Horseshit.

There is ONLY ONE RACE. THE HUMAN RACE.

Be one or GTFO.

@Elderberry

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 08:53:16 PM
 https://designshack.net/articles/graphics/the-science-behind-color-and-emotion/

The Science Behind Color and Emotion

Color resonates with people in different ways. We all have a favorite color or color that we use more during specific periods of life. But the color you use in a design project can say a lot about the work itself. That’s a scientific fact.

The science behind our emotional connections to color is a complicated one. But it is becoming more clear through anecdotal knowledge and scientific experimentation. Here are five hypotheses

/snip/


Color Impacts Intuition
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on August 01, 2019, 08:57:58 PM
I was fully expecting to not like the art @bigheadfred, but some of it is intriguing. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 08:59:18 PM
There has been study after study by private industry, the Alphabet Agencies, the Military.

Sensory deprivation. Sensory overload.

Cats and cucumbers redux II.

My dad used to say that one day all people would be the same color:  Dirty Mouse Gray.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 09:01:34 PM
I was fully expecting to not like the art @bigheadfred, but some of it is intriguing.

You looking at pics of paintings? Or have you been over there?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 09:07:03 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZhfFXEMMI4#)



Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on August 01, 2019, 09:12:44 PM
Fred, this, from the article:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOLb4tBW4AAgEdF.jpg)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 10:07:31 PM
Fred, this, from the article:

There is a "sameness" to all of them "in toto". Do you see it?

Does life imitate art? Or does art imitate life?

Joke: At the National Art Gallery in Dublin, a husband and wife were staring at the portrait that had them completely confused. The painting depicted 3 black men totally naked, sitting on a bench. Two of the figures had black penises, but the one in the middle had a pink penis.

The curator of the gallery realized that they were having trouble
interpreting the painting and offered his personal assessment. He
went on for over half an hour explaining how it depicted the sexual…
emasculation of African Americans in a predominately white,
patriarchal society. “In fact”, he said, “some serious critics
believe that the pink penis also reflects cultural and sociological
oppression experienced by gay men in contemporary society”.

After the curator left, an Irishman approached the couple and said,
“Would you like to know what the painting is really about?”

“Now why would you claim to be more of an expert than the curator of the gallery”, asked the couple?

“Because I am the artist, who painted the picture,” he replied. “In
fact, there are no African Americans depicted at all. They’re just
three Irish coal miners. The guy in the middle went home for lunch.”

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2019, 10:39:31 PM
Graphic warning.

I can take one of my drawings: 18" x 24"

https://imgur.com/cDYs2JO

And manipulate it with CG:

https://imgur.com/r0R8H5I




Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 02, 2019, 12:09:19 AM
Graphic warning.

I can take one of my drawings: 18" x 24"

https://imgur.com/cDYs2JO

And manipulate it with CG:

https://imgur.com/r0R8H5I

I always liked that drawing.  Great pencil work!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 02, 2019, 05:46:59 AM
CNN Warns About Robot Racism

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/08/01/oh-good-grief-cnn-warns-about-robot-racism-n2551082 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/08/01/oh-good-grief-cnn-warns-about-robot-racism-n2551082)

TownHall by Timothy Meads 8/1/2019
Leaks show up better on the white robots than on the black ones. Ditto scorch marks and smoke stains.

Seems there is a practical reason for that "whiteness".
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on August 02, 2019, 06:30:37 AM
Leaks show up better on the white robots than on the black ones. Ditto scorch marks and smoke stains.

Seems there is a practical reason for that "whiteness".

Holdonnow... Are we talkin about robots or underpants here??

 :silly:
 :tongue2:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 02, 2019, 08:24:32 AM
Holdonnow... Are we talkin about robots or underpants here??

 :silly:
 :tongue2:

These people may have the answer.

cache of https://www.pewresearch.org/ (https://www.pewresearch.org/)

Pew Research Center
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: roamer_1 on August 02, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
These people may have the answer.

cache of https://www.pewresearch.org/ (https://www.pewresearch.org/)

Pew Research Center

 :silly: :beer: :seeya:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 02, 2019, 10:49:59 PM
Holdonnow... Are we talkin about robots or underpants here??

 :silly:
 :tongue2:
Underpants?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 02, 2019, 10:59:20 PM
Underpants?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2011/07/14/underpants-gnomes-political-economy/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2011/07/14/underpants-gnomes-political-economy/)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 03, 2019, 06:41:04 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2011/07/14/underpants-gnomes-political-economy/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2011/07/14/underpants-gnomes-political-economy/)
Still doesn't explain why coloring the machine so as to make fluid leaks or scorch marks more evident is "racist", when other colors would make impending problems and possibly fatal malfunctions more difficult to detect in a timely fashion.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2019, 08:42:41 AM
CNN Warns About Robot Racism

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/08/01/oh-good-grief-cnn-warns-about-robot-racism-n2551082 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/08/01/oh-good-grief-cnn-warns-about-robot-racism-n2551082)

TownHall by Timothy Meads 8/1/2019

@Elderberry

I guess that this means,according to CNN dogma,that black robots tend to pull surprise attacks on white robots if they outnumber them by at least 5 to 1,can only be programmed to perform simple tasks,and prefer to just stay at home in the closet while plugged into their power source?

Oh,and their music sucks.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2019, 08:45:58 AM
Leaks show up better on the white robots than on the black ones. Ditto scorch marks and smoke stains.

Seems there is a practical reason for that "whiteness".

@Smokin Joe

White attracts less heat,too. Granted,this was more important in the past than it is now,but I am sure it is still an engineering concern.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2019, 09:18:51 AM
White absorbs less heat than black when in the sun. Black radiates more of its internally generated heat than white. So a black robot would operate cooler than a white one when not in the sun.

@Elderberry

I am not sure it makes any difference these days due to technological advances since the days of tubes.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
Still doesn't explain why coloring the machine so as to make fluid leaks or scorch marks more evident is "racist", when other colors would make impending problems and possibly fatal malfunctions more difficult to detect in a timely fashion.

Come on, Joe, EVERYTHING IS RACIST now.  Anything and everything.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 03, 2019, 04:51:14 PM
Come on, Joe, EVERYTHING IS RACIST now.  Anything and everything.
What? Only birds have white poop? Maybe birds aren't racist. :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 07, 2019, 07:46:36 PM
Don’t believe your eyes: Exploring the positives and negatives of deepfakes

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi2mdOM-PHjAhVRop4KHZphCIIQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fartificialintelligence-news.com%2F2019%2F08%2F05%2Fdont-believe-your-eyes-exploring-the-positives-and-negatives-of-deepfakes%2F&usg=AOvVaw1oauSdBh-C0a4uJ4EjIeTt (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi2mdOM-PHjAhVRop4KHZphCIIQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fartificialintelligence-news.com%2F2019%2F08%2F05%2Fdont-believe-your-eyes-exploring-the-positives-and-negatives-of-deepfakes%2F&usg=AOvVaw1oauSdBh-C0a4uJ4EjIeTt)


By Jedidiah Francis
Posted on August 5, 2019



In 2018 the Reddit community r/deepfakes gained international attention thanks to a piece of investigative journalism by Samantha Cole, deputy editor at VICE.

Members of the forum had been using a burgeoning technology to superimpose celebrities’ faces onto pornographic videos. For the general public – and no doubt the unwitting stars – it was a shock. Most were unaware this technology existed. Very few believed it was possible to produce such realistic footage.

The videos had been created by a Generative Adversarial Network (GAN), a machine learning model that uses algorithms to mimic the distribution of data. In this case, that meant superimposing one human face onto another, complete with realistic movement.

Before long the term ‘deepfake’ became part of the common lexicon, both in porn circles and beyond, and its unceremonious introduction to the world set the tone for its negative connotations.

But are the origins and misuses of deepfakery causing us to take an unnecessarily dim view of a potentially useful technology?
Deep trouble

Fast forward to 2019 and the quality of deepfakes is improving at an exponential rate. Their potential for producing revenge porn, malicious hoaxes, fraud, misinformation, and blackmail is often the focus of news articles and think pieces – and not without reason.

Recently, deepfake videos of notable figures like Mark Zuckerberg, US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and former President Barack Obama have all made the news. And it’s becoming increasingly difficult to tell them apart from the real thing.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 07, 2019, 07:50:13 PM
DEEPFAKES Accountability Act would impose unenforceable rules — but it’s a start

https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/13/deepfakes-accountability-act-would-impose-unenforceable-rules-but-its-a-start/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=vF4fN_c3aK9Z7TsfKdrwmA

Devin Coldewey@techcrunch / 2 months ago

The new DEEPFAKES Accountability Act in the House — and yes, that’s an acronym — would take steps to criminalize the synthetic media referred to in its name, but its provisions seem too optimistic in the face of the reality of this threat. On the other hand, it also proposes some changes that will help bring the law up to date with the tech.

The bill, proposed by Representative Yvette Clarke (D-NY), it must be said, has the most ridiculous name I’ve encountered: the Defending Each and Every Person from False Appearances by Keeping Exploitation Subject to Accountability Act. Amazingly, that acronym (backronym, really) actually makes sense.

It’s intended to stem the potential damage of synthetic media purporting to be authentic, which is rare enough now but soon may be commonplace. With just a few minutes (or even a single frame) of video and voice, a fake version of a person, perhaps a public figure or celebrity, can be created that is convincing enough to fool anyone not looking too closely. And the quality is only getting better.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 07, 2019, 09:05:58 PM
Scientists can now manipulate brain cells using smartphone

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwicgOu2ivLjAhVW_J4KHW3yC2sQxfQBMAJ6BAgDEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencedaily.com%2Freleases%2F2019%2F08%2F190805143525.htm&usg=AOvVaw27mLdgDUb72AWNnC_MFyIL (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwicgOu2ivLjAhVW_J4KHW3yC2sQxfQBMAJ6BAgDEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencedaily.com%2Freleases%2F2019%2F08%2F190805143525.htm&usg=AOvVaw27mLdgDUb72AWNnC_MFyIL)

    August 5, 2019
Source: University of Washington Health Sciences/UW Medicine

Summary: A team of scientists have invented a device that can control neural circuits using a tiny brain implant controlled by a smartphone. The device could speed up efforts to uncover brain diseases such as Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, addiction, depression, and pain.


A team of scientists in Korea and the United States have invented a device that can control neural circuits using a tiny brain implant controlled by a smartphone.

Researchers, publishing in Nature Biomedical Engineering, believe the device can speed up efforts to uncover brain diseases such as Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, addiction, depression, and pain.

The device, using Lego-like replaceable drug cartridges and powerful bluetooth low-energy, can target specific neurons of interest using drug and light for prolonged periods.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 09, 2019, 07:23:04 AM
Terrifying? What can I say? It is Youtube...

25 Terrifying Robots Currently In Development - List25

Video link:  http://youtu.be/4HN0xRCxdhI (http://youtu.be/4HN0xRCxdhI)

Article:  https://list25.com/25-terrifying-robots-currently-in-development/ (https://list25.com/25-terrifying-robots-currently-in-development/)

mazing advancements in technology in recent years have led to some terrifying robots currently in development. With those advancements come new opportunities that we have never before thought possible. Robots today are capable of going to the furthest reaches of the planet, communicate like humans, and even learn, but as anyone who has watched any of the “Terminator” movies can tell you, this could be just as scary a prospect as it is exciting.

Nowadays, we have robots that can outrun us, outsmart us, and even some that can kill us if they tried. As AI improves each year, it may not be long before they think for themselves. With all that said, here are 25 of the most terrifying robots currently in development. Make sure to remember their names, because some of the machines might just take over the world some day.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 04:34:58 PM
Most People Would Rather a Robot Steal Their Job Than a Person

https://futurism.com/the-byte/automation-robot-steal-job-than-person

Next-Level Petty

Countless studies have all reached the same conclusion: robots are poised to steal jobs from a lot of humans.

But according to yet another automation-focused study, this one by researchers at Technical University of Munich, most people would prefer that scenario to the alternative: losing their job to another human.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 11:05:46 AM
A New Type of AI Has Been Created Inspired by the Human Brain

Lamborghini (https://interestingengineering.com/a-new-type-of-ai-has-been-created-inspired-by-the-human-brain)

The new development follows a continued trend of neurobiology and machine learning converging.

By carrying out advanced experiments on neuronal cultures and large scale simulations, a group of scientists from Bar-Ilan University in Israel claims to have created a new type of ultra-fast artificial intelligence algorithm.

This algorithm is based on the dynamics of the human brain, which, despite computing at a much slower rate than modern computers, is extremely fast and efficient.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 11:32:13 AM
What? Only birds have white poop? Maybe birds aren't racist. :shrug:

How can robots land like birds? -- ScienceDaily

Date:
    August 6, 2019
Source:
    Stanford University

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190806131451.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190806131451.htm)

Birds can perch on a wide variety of surfaces, thick or thin, rough or slick. But can they find stable footing if a branch is covered in Teflon? In the interest of making better robots, researchers found out.

Their measurements also showed that the birds are capable of repositioning their claws from one graspable bump or pit to another in a mere 1 to 2 milliseconds. (For comparison, it takes a human about 100 to 400 milliseconds to blink.)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 11:33:07 AM
"Get a grip, you birdbrain" takes on a whole new meaning.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 07:40:08 PM
Unleashed, Robo-Insect Takes Flight

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/science/robot-insect-flight-engineering.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/science/robot-insect-flight-engineering.html)

 Tiny wings and tinier solar cells allow autonomous movement in a new robotic “bee.” For years now, scientists have sought to build aerial robots inspired by bees and other flying insects.

Makes me wonder if Epstein was stung by a "bee"?

And didn't have an EpiPen.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 09:19:00 PM
Unleashed, Robo-Insect Takes Flight

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/science/robot-insect-flight-engineering.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/science/robot-insect-flight-engineering.html)

 Tiny wings and tinier solar cells allow autonomous movement in a new robotic “bee.” For years now, scientists have sought to build aerial robots inspired by bees and other flying insects.

Makes me wonder if Epstein was stung by a "bee"?

And didn't have an EpiPen.

@bigheadfred

I dunno nuttin bout no electronic bee,but now that you have mentioned it,I am sure that is one possibility.

And almost a near certainty that someone,somewhere,has already been stung and turned room temperature thanks to a "busy bee".
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 12, 2019, 08:27:37 AM
@bigheadfred

I dunno nuttin bout no electronic bee,but now that you have mentioned it,I am sure that is one possibility.

And almost a near certainty that someone,somewhere,has already been stung and turned room temperature thanks to a "busy bee".

Several "busy bees". Now, rich ones.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 16, 2019, 09:45:37 PM
@Cyber Liberty  @mystery-ak  @Sanguine

Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, and any and all of the things going on with this tech.

I haven't posted anything new on this thread for a reason.

Is there enough interest to put it in a new category? Under the Sci/Tech area.

@rangerrebew posts a host of articles dealing in the subject from the military POV.

Either by chapters in a given time frame--3 to 6 months. Or any article stand alone. But in a cat that serves the subject.

I get that volume is a key factor here, as in articles posted. But so many go by with few views and no replies.

It has been talked about before. And the Admin is doing a great job adding subcategories.

Just asking.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on August 16, 2019, 09:52:55 PM
@Cyber Liberty  @mystery-ak  @Sanguine

Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, and any and all of the things going on with this tech.

I haven't posted anything new on this thread for a reason.

Is there enough interest to put it in a new category? Under the Sci/Tech area.

@rangerrebew posts a host of articles dealing in the subject from the military POV.

Either by chapters in a given time frame--3 to 6 months. Or any article stand alone. But in a cat that serves the subject.

I get that volume is a key factor here, as in articles posted. But so many go by with few views and no replies.

It has been talked about before. And the Admin is doing a great job adding subcategories.

Just asking.

@bigheadfred you don't want to put it under "computers"?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 16, 2019, 09:56:41 PM
@bigheadfred you don't want to put it under "computers"?

You a computer?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 16, 2019, 09:57:20 PM
@bigheadfred

It's already under Sci/Tech/Knowledge...Sanguine's idea is good...computers?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Sanguine on August 16, 2019, 09:59:13 PM
You a computer?

Maybe....(https://s17-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FSqI41N4WGPM%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&sp=02a6ea0ea80d573a6f5af4a7a87a02f2&anticache=971743)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 16, 2019, 10:06:14 PM
@bigheadfred

It's already under Sci/Tech/Knowledge...Sanguine's idea is good...computers?

NO.

I am asking for a category that includes all the aspects of increased tech that includes all the aspects of enhanced capabilities, whether machine, or machine enhanced. Cybernetics, PROBES (heh heh heh) no not really. Adjuncts, chips, implants, medical, etc.

I'll even throw religion at you just to see if you can tell.

If you say "computers" all you get back is @Victoria33 (no disrespect) asking how to stop popups.

Just say no. I know WTF NO means.

 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 16, 2019, 10:20:13 PM
NO.

I am asking for a category that includes all the aspects of increased tech that includes all the aspects of enhanced capabilities, whether machine, or machine enhanced. Cybernetics, PROBES (heh heh heh) no not really. Adjuncts, chips, implants, medical, etc.

I'll even throw religion at you just to see if you can tell.

If you say "computers" all you get back is @Victoria33 (no disrespect) asking how to stop popups.

Just say no. I know WTF NO means.

OK, "Computers" it is!

Just Kidding, @bigheadfred!  And...how DO I get Washington Examiner articles up without two videos autoplaying, anyway?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 16, 2019, 10:34:00 PM
OK, "Computers" it is!

Just Kidding, @bigheadfred!  And...how DO I get Washington Examiner articles up without two videos autoplaying, anyway?

Stop buying their cookies.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: sneakypete on August 17, 2019, 09:20:19 AM
NO.

I am asking for a category that includes all the aspects of increased tech that includes all the aspects of enhanced capabilities, whether machine, or machine enhanced. Cybernetics, PROBES (heh heh heh) no not really. Adjuncts, chips, implants, medical, etc.

I'll even throw religion at you just to see if you can tell.

If you say "computers" all you get back is @Victoria33 (no disrespect) asking how to stop popups.

Just say no. I know WTF NO means.

@bigheadfred

I still have chemo-brain,so bear with me on this,but how about creating a sub-folder in science and computers for "Nanotechnology" (Nano-technology?)

Would that work?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 17, 2019, 04:31:09 PM
@bigheadfred

I still have chemo-brain,so bear with me on this,but how about creating a sub-folder in science and computers for "Nanotechnology" (Nano-technology?)

Would that work?

Yrs , but no

What I am looking for is a compendium. This (to me) isn't a subject that IN YOUR FACE===but only if you
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on August 17, 2019, 04:33:43 PM
f/l
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 17, 2019, 06:52:58 PM
Yrs , but no

What I am looking for is a compendium. This (to me) isn't a subject that IN YOUR FACE===but only if you
I was thinking you were looking at 'bionics' and AI.

Bionics have gone from the 'Six Million Dollar Man' to 'The Borg' in pop culture, but yes, there are people working on deeveloping everything from prosthetics run by nerve or neural impulse to complete human like robots with the ability to think for themselves.

This isn't the relative grunt work of the average computer or surfing the web, but a different field, affecting everyone from accident victims to wounded veterans to people who work in hazardous environments.
Then the question comes in of whether a fully functional and independent thinking robot would have 'rights', too.

So there is a pretty broad spectrum of issues that go beyond mere technology.

F'r instance. A firefighter/rescue humanoid robot is developed, with AI sufficient to assess dangers, hazards, find victims and transport them to safety. Two immediate scenarios come to mind.

Structural fire, fully involved, but units are sent in to fight the fire, and look for survivors (it is possible that there are people in the building, still alive, despite how it looks from the outside). One of the robots finds a victim, but out of (for want of a better word) fear of its own destruction does not recover the victim and retreats. Would it be branded a "Coward" and dismantled or reprogrammed?
Another rescue unit, seeking to rescue someone, is caught in the collapse of part of the structure and damaged to the point it is not repairable. A human would have a hero's funeral, a medal, a pension for the widow. What about the robot? To the scrapyard? How would other rescue robots feel about that? (they'd have to have some programmed empathy in order to be effective rescue units). Would they go on strike? Would it affect their efficacy, 'knowing' that if they were destroyed no one would care? Can that be programmed out? Or would a machine capable of learning from its experiences develop resentment?

Human intelligence (or what we decry as the lack thereof) is complex enough, with motivational factors which cover a full spectrum of emotions and logic. We aren't programming Little Miss Sunshine, here, but something which has to function in the real world without either taking a crowbar to all around it, or having all around it willing to do the same.

And that raises a lot of issues...

None of which fall under the nuts and bolts heading of just "computers".

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
Post by: bigheadfred on October 30, 2019, 07:26:23 PM
Robot 2

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,380683.msg2083785.html#msg2083785 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,380683.msg2083785.html#msg2083785)