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Title: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: mystery-ak on February 07, 2019, 08:56:04 PM
BY: Cameron Cawthorne   Follow @@Cam_Cawthorne
February 7, 2019 4:31 pm

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) on Thursday criticized U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement and argued in support of undocumented Latinos in the United States, saying the latter cannot be "criminalized" on "Native" U.S. land because they are "descendants of Native people."

The self-described Democratic socialist spoke on Thursday alongside several liberal groups, including MoveOn and United We Dream, a pro-immigration group that calls for ICE to be abolished. She repeatedly slammed ICE, claiming it "repeatedly and systematically violates human rights."

"They do not deserve a dime until they can prove that they are honoring human rights, until they can make a good faith effort to expand and embrace immigrants … Until they can prove good faith to an American ideal, they do not deserve any resources for their radical agenda. We have to have respect for children, respect for families, respect for human rights, and respect for the right of human mobility," Ocasio-Cortez said of the agency tasked with enforcing U.S. immigration laws.

The freshman congresswoman went on to suggest ICE has not given due respect to those who enter the country illegally. The United Sates must "respect for the right of human mobility," she said before adding, "because it is a right."

"Because we are standing on Native land, and Latino people are descendants of Native people. And we cannot be … criminalized simply for our identity or our status."

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https://freebeacon.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-latinos-cant-be-illegals-because-theyre-descendants-of-native-people/
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: truth_seeker on February 07, 2019, 09:10:45 PM
Several of my HS classmates are proudly Latino, Vietnam combat vets (Sam B, Jose M.,Luis C etc)

, and would stand up to her, even if nobody from the GOP does
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: roamer_1 on February 07, 2019, 10:07:35 PM
LATINo

There's a clue, right there...

Moron.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: The Ghost on February 07, 2019, 10:15:55 PM
I pity the fool.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: roamer_1 on February 07, 2019, 10:22:57 PM
I pity the fool.

When the Latinos end their oppression and give back Central and South America to its natives (whom they look at with disgust), then maybe they can moan about the US. Latinos are descendants of oppressors.

Dingbat doesn't even know what she comes from.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: 240B on February 07, 2019, 10:27:18 PM
LATINo

There's a clue, right there...

Moron.
Exactly. The native people were not Latin. By saying Latino, essentially that is Spanish (a derivative of Latin). Spanish is European, not native. Saying that Latinos are native, is ridiculously stupid.

In an argument with a Latino guy and he said, "Why don't you all go back to Europe where you came from!"
I said, "Hablas espanol?" He said, 'Si Claro'. I said you are European too, you idiot. You came from Spain, I came from England, what is the difference? Why don't you go back to Spain?
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 07, 2019, 10:29:13 PM
Ah yes, an Atzlan true believer.

Despite her hallucinations, the natives of the southwest were nowhere near related to the natives of Mexico where she comes from.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: truth_seeker on February 07, 2019, 10:39:22 PM
Ah yes, an Atzlan true believer.

Despite her hallucinations, the natives of the southwest were nowhere near related to the natives of Mexico where she comes from.
Her ancestry is Puerto Rican, not Mexican.

Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: The Ghost on February 07, 2019, 10:42:49 PM
Her ancestry is Puerto Rican, not Mexican.

Someone Tell her in Puerto Rican - "Goat-o, get out of el house-o.".
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: 240B on February 07, 2019, 10:45:52 PM
In Genesis 15:13 God says that the Hebrews will be slaves for 400 years. Black activists picked this up and started saying that Blacks have been slaves for 400 years in America. Which, of course, cannot be true. That would mean that Black people were at Jamestown in 1600 and we all know this is not correct. Black people were slaves for thousands of years in Africa, and they still are today. But not in America.

How much do you bet that Latinos will begin some campaign that says they always spoke Spanish well before Ponce de Leon or any of the Spanish explorers conquered them?
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 07, 2019, 11:33:07 PM
Her ancestry is Puerto Rican, not Mexican.

Which makes her rhetoric that much more ignorant unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 07, 2019, 11:35:36 PM
Read her statement 3 times and it still doesn't make any sense......as with everything else that pours out of her empty head.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: sneakypete on February 08, 2019, 09:22:54 AM
BY: Cameron Cawthorne   Follow @@Cam_Cawthorne
February 7, 2019 4:31 pm

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) on Thursday criticized U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement and argued in support of undocumented Latinos in the United States, saying the latter cannot be "criminalized" on "Native" U.S. land because they are "descendants of Native people."

@mystery-ak

Uhhhh,sumbodie cowrecked me if I am wrong,but doesn't that mean they are Indians,and NOT Spanish? Her peep-pulls ain't gonna like THAT one!

Can't wait until somebody points that out to her,and explains it 3 or 4 times
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: sneakypete on February 08, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
Several of my HS classmates are proudly Latino, Vietnam combat vets (Sam B, Jose M.,Luis C etc)



@truth_seeker

Really? How many of them speak Latin as their native language?

What's wrong with being a Mexican,if you are born into a Mexican family? This whole His and Her Panic thing is pure bullshit. The vast majority of the people in Mexico have at least 90 percent Indian blood,and MAYBE 10 percent Spanish blood. Yet call one a Indian and you piss them off. They want you to think they are the direct descendants of some Castilian Spanish Don,despite having black hair,black eyes,and dark brown skin.

Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: sneakypete on February 08, 2019, 09:31:04 AM
Her ancestry is Puerto Rican, not Mexican.

@truth_seeker

Can't be.  I haven't heard her say "Iz not my yob!" yet.

Although if she is a PR,I understand why she wants everyone to thing she is a Mexican.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: ABX on February 08, 2019, 09:36:57 AM
She completely missed her Spanish European colonizer history?

The last time I checked, people of native descent in most Latin American countries were treated like second class citizens.

Even people of mixed heritage in Mexico are looked down on as 'mestizo'.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: The Ghost on February 08, 2019, 09:38:28 AM
Someone should send her one of Liz Warren approved DNA test kits.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: bigheadfred on February 08, 2019, 09:44:13 AM
@truth_seeker

Really? How many of them speak Latin as their native language?

What's wrong with being a Mexican,if you are born into a Mexican family? This whole His and Her Panic thing is pure bullshit. The vast majority of the people in Mexico have at least 90 percent Indian blood,and MAYBE 10 percent Spanish blood. Yet call one a Indian and you piss them off. They want you to think they are the direct descendants of some Castilian Spanish Don,despite having black hair,black eyes,and dark brown skin.

Completely true. Don't call a Mexican an Indian.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: sneakypete on February 08, 2019, 09:45:01 AM
Someone should send her one of Liz Warren approved DNA test kits.

@The Ghost

Why? She would just eat and drink it.
Title: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: rangerrebew on February 08, 2019, 10:57:40 AM

Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
By
S.Noble -
February 7, 2019


Crazy commie Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) says Latino illegal aliens are entitled to come here at will because they are the descendants of Native Americans and the U.S. is native land.

She was calling for abolishing ICE on Thursday during a presser when she made her latest outlandish statement.

Her name is Cortez, so she is probably descended from a conquistador — that’s our guess. Cortez said she’s Jewish at one point and that’s not Native American.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/cortez-all-latino-illegals-can-come-at-will-since-all-are-native-americans/ (http://www.independentsentinel.com/cortez-all-latino-illegals-can-come-at-will-since-all-are-native-americans/)
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: skeeter on February 08, 2019, 11:00:49 AM
Trump couldn't buy this kind of campaign material. She's gonna guarantee his re-election.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: 240B on February 08, 2019, 11:03:48 AM
I think confirmed and verified Native American would disagree that Latinos are them.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: austingirl on February 08, 2019, 01:25:06 PM
Trump couldn't buy this kind of campaign material. She's gonna guarantee his re-election.

God, I hope so.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: XenaLee on February 08, 2019, 01:48:10 PM
I think confirmed and verified Native American would disagree that Latinos are them.

Absolutely... if you are referring to Latinos that are here illegally or intend to come here illegally.  The Native American Indians were 'already here'.   This was their homeland.  They didn't migrate to the US.  Big/huge difference.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: Jazzhead on February 08, 2019, 01:56:49 PM
Trump couldn't buy this kind of campaign material. She's gonna guarantee his re-election.

Ding!  We have a winner!
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: txradioguy on February 08, 2019, 02:44:21 PM
Absolutely... if you are referring to Latinos that are here illegally or intend to come here illegally.  The Native American Indians were 'already here'.   This was their homeland.  They didn't migrate to the US.  Big/huge difference.

Actually...there is an ancestral link between the people of ancient East Asia and modern Native Americans...even they "immigrated" here via a land bridge thousands of years ago.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: XenaLee on February 08, 2019, 02:48:06 PM
Actually...there is an ancestral link between the people of ancient East Asia and modern Native Americans...even they "immigrated" here via a land bridge thousands of years ago.

Well... if you really want to nit-pick back that far (lol)....  we are ALL migrated immigrants from Noah's ark!   :whistle:
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: txradioguy on February 08, 2019, 02:55:09 PM
Well... if you really want to nit-pick back that far (lol)....  we are ALL migrated immigrants from Noah's ark!   :whistle:

LOL! Exactly.  This whole notion that we "stole" land from some indigenous people just kinda irks me.  Especially when you do some study of history and American Indian culture and discover how ruthless they were with each other.

If you really want to drive a Liberal nuts...point out that fact that prior to the Trail of Tears march from the Southeast out to the West..."Five Civilized Tribes" were some of the biggest slave owners in the Old South.

That's the problem with the history being taught and regurgitated by the likes of Alex from The Bronx...it's biased...one sided and blames the White man for everything wrong that's happened in this country since day 1.

And that's just not the reality of what went down.  But Millennial idiots like Cortez aren't smart enough or intellectually curious enough to dig for the real truth.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: XenaLee on February 08, 2019, 03:02:32 PM
LOL! Exactly.  This whole notion that we "stole" land from some indigenous people just kinda irks me.  Especially when you do some study of history and American Indian culture and discover how ruthless they were with each other.

If you really want to drive a Liberal nuts...point out that fact that prior to the Trail of Tears march from the Southeast out to the West..."Five Civilized Tribes" were some of the biggest slave owners in the Old South.

That's the problem with the history being taught and regurgitated by the likes of Alex from The Bronx...it's biased...one sided and blames the White man for everything wrong that's happened in this country since day 1.

And that's just not the reality of what went down.  But Millennial idiots like Cortez aren't smart enough or intellectually curious enough to dig for the real truth.

I am forced to agree.  I have long railed against half of my ancestors for their lack of "vision" and lack of logical forethought.  If only (two biggest words on the planet?).... they had, instead of fighting each other .... tribe vs. tribe..., united to defeat 'whitey'....they might have had a chance.

I wonder what would have happened if someone with "guerella tactics" knowledge had been in charge of one of the main tribes.  Would make a great scifi movie plot, don't you think?  A time-traveling Rambo type warrior.... goes back in time and teaches/trains the NAs how to fight the white invaders....Wolverine style.   Oh well...

Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: rustynail on February 08, 2019, 03:02:47 PM
There is some irony in her last name.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 08, 2019, 03:10:18 PM
In Genesis 15:13 God says that the Hebrews will be slaves for 400 years. Black activists picked this up and started saying that Blacks have been slaves for 400 years in America. Which, of course, cannot be true. That would mean that Black people were at Jamestown in 1600 and we all know this is not correct. Black people were slaves for thousands of years in Africa, and they still are today. But not in America.

How much do you bet that Latinos will begin some campaign that says they always spoke Spanish well before Ponce de Leon or any of the Spanish explorers conquered them?
Decent treatment of the 1619 Jamestown claims found here, which puts that in perspective. Worth reading, imho. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/)
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: txradioguy on February 08, 2019, 03:17:19 PM

I wonder what would have happened if someone with "guerella tactics" knowledge had been in charge of one of the main tribes.  Would make a great scifi movie plot, don't you think?  A time-traveling Rambo type warrior.... goes back in time and teaches/trains the NAs how to fight the white invaders....Wolverine style.   Oh well...

There was a Sci-fi book written once that told a story based on the South winning the Civil War because someone had travelled back in time and equipped some of the Southern units with AK-47's.

Even someone with the 19th century knowledge of squad tactics and guerilla warfare working with the Apache or Comanche tribes in the Southwest could have changed how history was written.  But then again you'd have had to have gotten those tribes working together instead of warring with each other.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: bigheadfred on February 08, 2019, 03:34:31 PM
There is some irony in her last name.

Perhaps in her first name as well.

Alexandria the Grate.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 08, 2019, 03:34:52 PM
Absolutely... if you are referring to Latinos that are here illegally or intend to come here illegally.  The Native American Indians were 'already here'.   This was their homeland.  They didn't migrate to the US.  Big/huge difference.
The American Indians who were resident in what is now the United States guarded their land from invasion by other groups, be they from the part of North America conquered by French, English speaking Europeans, or Spaniards (or Portuguese).

Where does she think the Mayans and Aztecs got all the 'captives' they sacrificed?

They did not live in what is now the United States. Nor did the other tribes found outside those boundaries. They might be "First Nations" Canadians, or Natives of Mexico, Central, or South America, but that never did give them any claim to any part of what is now the United States.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: The Ghost on February 08, 2019, 03:56:49 PM
Perhaps in her first name as well.

Alexandria the Grate.

She needs more names in her name.  I'm thinking something like, Alexandria Miranda Veracruz de la Jolla Cardinal Cortez.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: 240B on February 08, 2019, 03:57:30 PM
I wonder what would have happened if someone with "guerella tactics" knowledge had been in charge of one of the main tribes.  Would make a great scifi movie plot, don't you think?  A time-traveling Rambo type warrior.... goes back in time and teaches/trains the NAs how to fight the white invaders....Wolverine style.   Oh well...
@XenaLee

My understanding is that guerrilla tactics were well known to the native Americans. In fact, the American Revolutionaries learned these tactics from the native Americans. In Europe, men stood in formation facing each other. When the British came to America, the Americans were hiding behind trees and rocks or whatever. This was not done before in Europe. Opposing Armies should stand shoulder to shoulder and face each other in the honorable practice of war. In some cases the generals would meet in the center of the battlefield and negotiate the terms of the battle, for example who would fire first and such.

What you call, 'Wolverine style' was the only way the Native American knew how to fight. And the colonialist learned it from them and used this new tactic to defeat the British. Can you imagine marching through an American forest wearing bright red coats? Anyone within a half a mile would see you and shoot you dead.

The British were in a foreign land dealing with foreign warfare techniques. It is one of the primary reasons they were defeated.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: bigheadfred on February 08, 2019, 04:08:38 PM
I was born here. My parents were born here.

That makes me a Native American.

Any argument against that is specious BS.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: 240B on February 08, 2019, 04:15:12 PM
Decent treatment of the 1619 Jamestown claims found here, which puts that in perspective. Worth reading, imho. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/)
I read it, but didn't really 'get it'. Is he saying that Black slaves were in America before 1600, or that they accompanied the Jamestown settlers? He seems to imply that traders came to Jamestown with slaves and bartered to trade them...or something like that, I guess?

It seemed to me to be just so much erudite circumlocution very much lacking in stating distinct facts or direct statements.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: The Ghost on February 08, 2019, 04:16:09 PM
I was born here. My parents were born here.

That makes me a Native American.

Any argument against that is specious BS.

I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin bushwackin, hornswaglin, cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: sneakypete on February 08, 2019, 04:18:16 PM
I think confirmed and verified Native American would disagree that Latinos are them.

@240B

This Tuscarora/Scots-Irish/Greek blend certainly disagrees with her.

First of all,the peoples called "Native Americans" were NOT native Americans. They came here from Asia and Europe.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: sneakypete on February 08, 2019, 04:19:55 PM
Absolutely... if you are referring to Latinos that are here illegally or intend to come here illegally.  The Native American Indians were 'already here'.   This was their homeland.  They didn't migrate to the US.  Big/huge difference.

@XenaLee

Wrong. ALL my ancestors originally migrated here with the exception of my Greek father. He was just visiting.

On top of that,my Tuscarora ancestors were originally from what is now called New York State. They are an offshoot of the Mohawk tribe,and at some point in history just migrated south. I guess they liked the warmer weather.

I have no idea where they came from before they settled in upstate NY. It was from some place in northern Europe or Asia,though.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: bigheadfred on February 08, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin bushwackin, hornswaglin, cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.

zactlees
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: sneakypete on February 08, 2019, 04:35:33 PM
I read it, but didn't really 'get it'. Is he saying that Black slaves were in America before 1600, or that they accompanied the Jamestown settlers? He seems to imply that traders came to Jamestown with slaves and bartered to trade them...or something like that, I guess?

It seemed to me to be just so much erudite circumlocution very much lacking in stating distinct facts or direct statements.

@240B

There were slaves in the so-called New World long before Jamestown. The natives were fond of enslaving each other,and there was slavery everywhere the Spanish went.

This is why it is always narrowed to down to "in the English-Speaking New World".

No,there were no slaves at Jamestown at first. There were indentured servants,though. Most came from England/Scotland/Ireland,but some came from the Carribean Islands. Don't ask me how they got free because I don't know.

There were however black INDENTURED servants at Jamestown. They were a part of the plan from day one because it is backbreaking,brutal work to clear forests using shovels and axes so you can plant cash crops. Without virtually free labor,and lots of it,the colony would have failed.

It was a BLACK former indentured servant named Johnson who had worked off his labor commitment and been given land to start his own farm that brought the first man into the English-Speaking New World and enslaved him. He brought a black man from one of the Caribbean Islands as an indentured servant,and when the man had worked off his obligation,refused to free him because he claimed the mans labor would never match the expenses of bringing him in,feeding,housing,and clothing him,and giving him medical care. He took this to the Colonial Court to prove his case,and won. Once he won he brought in other slaves,and had a successful tobacco farm that he later sold when he moved to Maryland to open a horse farm. He was a wealthy man raising race horses when he died.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: musiclady on February 08, 2019, 04:37:25 PM
There is some irony in her last name.

 888high58888

Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: XenaLee on February 08, 2019, 06:56:38 PM
I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin bushwackin, hornswaglin, cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.

Huh???  Galdurnit....could you repeat that ....sans the Gabby Hayes accent?   :silly:
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: bigheadfred on February 08, 2019, 07:05:44 PM
Huh???  Galdurnit....could you repeat that ....sans the Gabby Hayes accent?   :silly:

No one gets a slice of my pie.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: XenaLee on February 08, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
No one gets a slice of my pie.

It's a good thing I don't like pie.   rrthree
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: mountaineer on February 08, 2019, 07:17:15 PM
I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin bushwackin, hornswaglin, cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.
I agree with Ghost Johnson.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: libertybele on February 08, 2019, 08:16:38 PM
She is a leftist liberal mental midget and a genuine nut job. IMHO and with all due respect, she definitely doesn't deserve her own thread nor all this attention.
Title: Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 08, 2019, 08:23:28 PM
@XenaLee

My understanding is that guerrilla tactics were well known to the native Americans. In fact, the American Revolutionaries learned these tactics from the native Americans. In Europe, men stood in formation facing each other. When the British came to America, the Americans were hiding behind trees and rocks or whatever. This was not done before in Europe. Opposing Armies should stand shoulder to shoulder and face each other in the honorable practice of war. In some cases the generals would meet in the center of the battlefield and negotiate the terms of the battle, for example who would fire first and such.

What you call, 'Wolverine style' was the only way the Native American knew how to fight. And the colonialist learned it from them and used this new tactic to defeat the British. Can you imagine marching through an American forest wearing bright red coats? Anyone within a half a mile would see you and shoot you dead.

The British were in a foreign land dealing with foreign warfare techniques. It is one of the primary reasons they were defeated.
The colonists learned the "skulking way of war" from the Iroquois and other encounters. The other aspect to that was that not only did the colonists often have superior rifled weapons which were more accurate, they often had plenty of practice with them from hunting or defending their homes--especially those closer to the frontier. They could and did target individual soldiers, including officers (generally not done in Europe).

The Brown Bess, while reliable because of the large flint and frizzen, was more an area weapon, shooting a three quarter inch ball (.75 caliber) out of a smooth bore--not accurate individually, so much, but capable of wreaking havoc on massed troops when used in a group to fire upon an area packed with European style formations, which the colonists just did not present.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: austingirl on February 08, 2019, 08:24:13 PM
She is a leftist liberal mental midget and a genuine nut job. IMHO and with all due respect, she definitely doesn't deserve her own thread nor all this attention.
@libertybele

With her face splashed across the media and her nonsense followed by millions of ignorant twits, with seventy demcoms and several Presidential candidates signing onto her pipe dream, she bears watching.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 08, 2019, 08:26:10 PM
I was born here. My parents were born here.

That makes me a Native American.

Any argument against that is specious BS.
Yep. I don't know where anyone could claim otherwise about either of us. My people were here well before there was a United States, to boot.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 08, 2019, 08:26:47 PM
@libertybele

With her face splashed across the media and her nonsense followed by millions of ignorant twits, with seventy demcoms and several Presidential candidates signing onto her pipe dream, she bears watching.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups....
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: The Ghost on February 08, 2019, 08:27:15 PM
I agree with Ghost Johnson.

It was pure frontier gibberish.  But Gabby and me thank you.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: bigheadfred on February 08, 2019, 09:38:03 PM
Yep. I don't know where anyone could claim otherwise about either of us. My people were here well before there was a United States, to boot.

1729 on my dad's side. 1830's on my mom's.
Title: Re: Ocasio-Cortez: Latinos Can’t Be Illegals Because They’re ‘Descendants of Native People’
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 08, 2019, 09:47:42 PM
1729 on my dad's side. 1830's on my mom's.
1641 on Mom's 1670's on Dad's. They laughed when i told them I found a girl from an older family (she's Chippewa).