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Title: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: mystery-ak on January 25, 2019, 09:02:10 PM
Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
By Tal Axelrod - 01/25/19 08:05 PM EST

President Trump on Friday sought to defend his decision earlier that day to end the ongoing partial government shutdown without getting funding for his long-desired border wall.

“I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession," Trump tweeted. "It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!”

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/427073-trump-ending-shutdown-was-in-no-way-a-concession
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on January 25, 2019, 09:12:48 PM
 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 25, 2019, 09:37:15 PM
    I don't read $hit from The Hill, it's Un-American, I just post their Articles when I'm Gleeful.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Oceander on January 25, 2019, 09:48:28 PM
:facepalm2:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: mystery-ak on January 25, 2019, 09:53:26 PM
    I don't read $hit from The Hill, it's Un-American, I just post their Articles when I'm Gleeful.

Are you another snowflake that can't bare to read anything from The Hill  or [cover your eyes] CNN...Sorry I forgot to alert readers in the title it was from The Hill
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 25, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
“I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession," Trump tweeted.
It was, in fact, a tremendous victory for America, the American people, and the United States of America.  Tremendous.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: dfwgator on January 25, 2019, 10:12:08 PM
It was, in fact, a tremendous victory for America, the American people, and the United States of America.  Tremendous.

Baghdad Don?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 25, 2019, 10:25:20 PM
 8bs8 :bsflag: :bs:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 25, 2019, 11:31:44 PM
Baghdad Don?
This was the day President Trump squashed the rat's destructive shutdown.  A shutdown that was eroding our national security and border defenses and had cost more lives than ending Net Nutrality .  One man put his reputation and political capital at risk so our border defenders could do their jobs without worrying about their children's empty bellies.  Has an President loved this country more?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: kevindavis on January 26, 2019, 05:37:50 AM
Maybe Trump shouldn't listen to Ann Coulter in the future.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 26, 2019, 05:43:36 AM
Maybe Trump shouldn't listen to Ann Coulter in the future.

Even better maybe he'll organize a plan involving Republicans in congress and follow through with it after setting it motion instead of bouncing around like an arcade pinball...
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: kevindavis on January 26, 2019, 05:56:40 AM
Even better maybe he'll organize a plan involving Republicans in congress and follow through with it after setting it motion instead of bouncing around like an arcade pinball...


Funny he had two years to get the wall ( which Mexico was supposed to pay for it ). He has to prove that he can make a great deal to get his wall through Congress. It is all on him.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: verga on January 26, 2019, 06:01:32 AM
Are you another snowflake that can't bare to read anything from The Hill  or [cover your eyes] CNN...Sorry I forgot to alert readers in the title it was from The Hill
Young lady you're on fire lately. :hands: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 26, 2019, 06:03:41 AM

Funny he had two years to get the wall ( which Mexico was supposed to pay for it ). He has to prove that he can make a great deal to get his wall through Congress. It is all on him.

I don't disagree.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 26, 2019, 06:07:03 AM

Funny he had two years to get the wall ( which Mexico was supposed to pay for it ). He has to prove that he can make a great deal to get his wall through Congress. It is all on him.

2 years with near total GOP control of the government.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: kevindavis on January 26, 2019, 06:49:34 AM
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.


That is true, had he spent less time worrying about fake news and actaully sit down with the leaders of both houses he could have a wall.


Also, he shouldn't had listen to Ann Coulter. Ann Coulter doesn't give a s**t about the border issue. She cares about one thing and that is herself. 
 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on January 26, 2019, 10:41:18 AM
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.

A GOP that's afraid of its own shadow. 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: austingirl on January 26, 2019, 11:03:19 AM
A GOP that's afraid of its own shadow.

A GOP that didn't support him.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 11:15:06 AM
From Sep 2018 and Nov 2018:  Updates on the Santa Teresa Border Wall

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M25eylpFcFg&app=desktop#)


Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xs1P1olxR4#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 11:17:31 AM
Sep 2018:  Update on Calexico California west land port of entry/and new border wall


Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-nP2eYmO4#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 11:19:18 AM
Nov 2018:  Update on El Paso Tx New Border Wall

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVXKrEQEII0#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 11:30:20 AM
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.

Actually, it was two years of near total Never-Trump GOP control of the government. 

Liking where it got us?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on January 26, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
Actually, it was two years of near total Never-Trump GOP control of the government. 

Liking where it got us?

BS.  It was only a few NTs and the rest Trump could have won over had he tried.  It's a bit too early to try to rewrite history.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 12:03:41 PM
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.

Horseshit. The GOP margin in the Senate was controlled by RINO's like McCain, Murkowski and Collins...who's votes on nearly every important issue handed control of legislation to the Dems. If you want to blame anyone for what WASN'T done in that 2 years, put 100% of it on the RINO/NT alliance that stopped what the President was working to achieve. 

You have to love GOP'rs who've slammed and fought against the President...working with Dems and RINO's...blaming the President, or even McConnell, for not getting a wall. The culprits in this failure ARE the NT/RINO crowd...nobody else need share any of that blame.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
BS.  It was only a few NTs and the rest Trump could have won over had he tried.  It's a bit too early to try to rewrite history.

You're the one rewriting history.  It only took a few in strategically positions to bring a halt to everything.  And, apparently, you're hell bent on  editing out Paul Ryan, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Lisa Murkowski, Rob Porter et al.  They were not going to be "won over" because they were consumed with hate that Donald Trump won.  They would have been more amenable to Hillary Clinton.

I won't let you rewrite this.  For the last two years the GOP Congressional caucuses have been under diehard Never-Trump control  They brought us --- willfully ---- to this point   





Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on January 26, 2019, 12:05:44 PM
You're the one rewriting history, apparently editing out Paul Ryan, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Lisa Murkowski, Rob Porter et al.  They were not going to be "won over" because they were consumed with hate that Donald Trump won.  They would have been more amenable to Hillary Clinton.

I won't let you rewrite this.  For the last two years the GOP Congressional caucuses have been under diehard Never-Trump control  They brought us --- willfully ---- to this point

Yep, of all the R's, and a few "moderate" D's, you can come up with only 5.   You proved my point.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 12:06:20 PM
BS.  It was only a few NTs and the rest Trump could have won over had he tried.  It's a bit too early to try to rewrite history.

Rewrite? More like a simple statement of what occurred.

And let's add, the President is not done fighting for the wall and other conservative priorities...and the NT/RINO's are still working with Dems to thwart him. But as a great man once said, we shall overcome...and the President WILL get his wall.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on January 26, 2019, 12:07:54 PM
Rewrite? More like a simple statement of what occurred.

And let's add, the President is not done fighting for the wall and other conservative priorities...and the NT/RINO's are still working with Dems to thwart him. But as a great man once said, we shall overcome...and the President WILL get his wall.

As I said elsewhere, IF we do get the wall I will gladly eat my words.  However, trying to rewrite history isn't helpful and it isn't going to change things.

I know this is a massively sensitive issue right now, but the truth should be told.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 26, 2019, 12:10:14 PM
Are you another snowflake that can't bare to read anything from The Hill  or [cover your eyes] CNN...Sorry I forgot to alert readers in the title it was from The Hill

Yeah. I hear ya. I'm going to start posting shit from Stormfront now because they also have a point a view and no one should be a Snowflake and hide from a point of view.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 12:20:29 PM
Yep, of all the R's, and a few "moderate" D's, you can come up with only 5.   You proved my point.

I suggest you look up "et al" before you go reaching for that scepter of victory.

The Never-Trump Congressional members brought us to this point .... it was their only success.  You can turn yourself into a salted pretzel trying to deny it .... and all your attempts will bring is laughter from those with two working brain cells.

Carry on, please.  88devil




Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: mystery-ak on January 26, 2019, 12:22:39 PM
Yeah. I hear ya. I'm going to start posting shit from Stormfront now because they also have a point a view and no one should be a Snowflake and hide from a point of view.

I think you know the difference between Stormfront and The Hill........is this what you meant that you were going to burn the place down?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on January 26, 2019, 12:27:33 PM
I suggest you look up "et al" before you go reaching for that scepter of victory.

The Never-Trump Congressional members brought us to this point .... it was their only success.  You can turn yourself into a salted pretzel trying to deny it .... and all your attempts will bring is laughter from those with two working brain cells.

Carry on, please.  88devil

In this case "et al" appears to mean that you can't think of any others.   And, "scepter of victory"?  You've got to be kidding, this is no victory; it's a disaster.

Carry on. 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 12:31:46 PM
https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1089191237851271170
Quote
GOP @GOP

Democrats have held our government hostage for weeks, but thanks to President @realDonaldTrump's leadership, the government will reopen and federal workers will be paid in the next few days.
8:00 AM - 26 Jan 2019


New Year Retributions @achronologician
Replying to @GOP @realDonaldTrump

"You should be grateful I stopped hitting you."
8:04 AM - 26 Jan 2019
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 12:44:07 PM
*****rollingeyes*****

We need some eyes that roll all the way to the next planet.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 26, 2019, 12:47:26 PM
I think you know the difference between Stormfront and The Hill........is this what you meant that you were going to burn the place down?

No. The only difference between the two sites is that you are amenable to one anti-American news source and not the other. You really want to make this a Snowflake Free Zone? Let's post ANYTHING from ANY news source we feel fit. We're all adults here, right?

BTW I think we both know that isn't what I meant by "burn the place down".
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 26, 2019, 12:50:39 PM
https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1089191237851271170

New Year Retributions @achronologician
Replying to @GOP @realDonaldTrump

"You should be grateful I stopped hitting you."
8:04 AM - 26 Jan 2019

Big shocker you would be following a Progressive Socialist on Twit....


New Year Retributions
‏ @achronologician
15h15 hours ago

If today proved anything, it proved that labour still has HUGE leverage on the powers that be. The right workers coordinating at the right time can force changes for ALL.

This needs to be the future of labour. Fight for each other. Start taking the power back for everyone.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: jpsb on January 26, 2019, 12:56:20 PM
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.

Paul Ryan is an open borders globalist. No way Ryan was going to give Trump the money to build a wall.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 26, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
Rewrite? More like a simple statement of what occurred.

And let's add, the President is not done fighting for the wall and other conservative priorities...and the NT/RINO's are still working with Dems to thwart him. But as a great man once said, we shall overcome...and the President WILL get his wall.

He is doing a really good job of building one between himself and the people who would have voted for him in 2020.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 12:58:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx2kxDQWwAMWTrn.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 26, 2019, 12:59:30 PM
A GOP that didn't support him.

Perhaps if he had actually tried to convince them with reason and thoughtful conversation, he would have convinced at least a few.

It's called "leadership."  And it's what real Presidents do.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 01:02:25 PM
Big shocker you would be following a Progressive Socialist on Twit....

I follow @GOP

Quote
New Year Retributions @achronologician
Replying to @GOP @realDonaldTrump

So where are my stormfront articles @Amb. Frank Cannon ?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 01:03:48 PM
... and all your attempts will bring is laughter from those with two working brain cells.

Are you pregnant?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 26, 2019, 01:04:28 PM
I follow @GOP

So where are my stormfront articles @Amb. Frank Cannon ?

I keep lobbying for them but the owner say they are not safe threads for Snowflakes.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 01:06:13 PM
Perhaps if he had actually tried to convince them with reason and thoughtful conversation, he would have convinced at least a few.

It's called "leadership."  And it's what real Presidents do.

Hear here!  That states the basic problem I had with Trump back during the Primaries. I didn't like that he was burning bridges with people he should have known he was later going to need.

From the movie Patriot, at one point Cornwallis was explaining to the Captain of the Dragoons why he didn't want to go Medieval on the colonials.  Paraphrased, When this war eventually ends, and it will, we need to make peace with these people.  That will be hard to do if we've made blood enemies of them.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 01:06:53 PM
I keep lobbying for them but the owner say they are not safe threads for Snowflakes.

I think President Trump would be disappointed in you.  "No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God.  We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence.  We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil.  And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -President Trump 8/14/17
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 26, 2019, 01:09:21 PM
I think President Trump would be disappointed in you.  "No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God.  We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence.  We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil.  And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -President Trump 8/14/17

CNN supports racism and violence daily on their channel and their pieces are allowed to be posted. Looks like you agree with me that CNN should be banned on the site.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: jpsb on January 26, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
Horseshit. The GOP margin in the Senate was controlled by RINO's like McCain, Murkowski and Collins...who's votes on nearly every important issue handed control of legislation to the Dems. If you want to blame anyone for what WASN'T done in that 2 years, put 100% of it on the RINO/NT alliance that stopped what the President was working to achieve. 

You have to love GOP'rs who've slammed and fought against the President...working with Dems and RINO's...blaming the President, or even McConnell, for not getting a wall. The culprits in this failure ARE the NT/RINO crowd...nobody else need share any of that blame.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: truth_seeker on January 26, 2019, 01:40:50 PM
A GOP that's afraid of its own shadow.

The GOP House members select for leaders, Dennis Hastert, John Boehner, and Paul Ryan.

Hastert turned out to be a pervert.

Boehner is pushing ppot.

Ryan is selling out America to the higghest bidder (lobbyist)

My own 9 term GOP Rep, lost on what I consider to be a truly stupid position.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 26, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
We need some eyes that roll all the way to the next planet.

The eyes of Laura Mars?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 01:53:50 PM
Perhaps if he had actually tried to convince them with reason and thoughtful conversation, he would have convinced at least a few.

It's called "leadership."  And it's what real Presidents do.

Yep, that's exactly why George Bush...Senior and Junior...got that wall built and fixed our immigration system....all of that "reasoning and thoughtful conversation" they used brought in enough RINO's and Dems to get it done.   Oh...wait...that's exactly the opposite of what happened...could it be that no amount of huggy-feely conversation was or would ever sway the RINO's to support a wall. Especially when they know they can take refuge in the arms of NT's who are so willing to be Quisling's and undermine the conservative cause.

Trump being an MF'r is the ONLY way we get this done...the Dems will never go along with a wall, and with you RINO/NT's undercutting the work to get it done...well...here we are.

Luckily, the President will fight on...and ultimately succeed...while all you delicate NT flowers poo-poo from the sidelines and facilitate the Left in its opposition. That's bad enough...but blaming Trump for your effective work to stop him as NT/RINO's...well that's just rich.

If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on January 26, 2019, 02:00:06 PM
Yep, that's exactly why George Bush...Senior and Junior...got that wall built and fixed our immigration system....all of that "reasoning and thoughtful conversation" they used brought in enough RINO's and Dems to get it done.   Oh...wait...that's exactly the opposite of what happened...could it be that no amount of huggy-feely conversation was or would ever sway the RINO's to support a wall.

If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!

Sorry, @Mesaclone, but this is all on Trump.  This was his big campaign issue and the one that people voted for him on.  (Well, that and he wasn't quite Hillary)

Whether a few hard-core NTs here posted less-than-flattering opinions about Trump has had absolutely no effect on his ability to get things done in Washington.

After two damned years in DC he still doesn't understand how the place works and how to get what he wants?

And, invoking GWB isn't going to work either.  W was never big on border control and never really tried. Same with GWHB.   

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 26, 2019, 02:07:38 PM
Quote
If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!

You really are a Trump supporter.

That statement is truly modeled after him: Pure chickensh...
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: dfwgator on January 26, 2019, 02:09:36 PM
Sorry, Mesaclone, but this is all on Trump.  This was his big campaign issue and the one that people voted for him on.  (Well, that and he wasn't quite Hillary)

Whether a few hard-core NTs here posted less-than-flattering opinions about Trump has had absolutely no effect on his ability to get things done in Washington.

After two damned years in DC he still doesn't understand how the place works and how to get what he wants?

And, invoking GWB isn't going to work either.  W was never big on border control and never really tried. Same with GWHB.

Trump needs to stop being the "Whiner In Chief" and start getting things done.   He has the power to make it happen......Use It!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on January 26, 2019, 02:11:18 PM
Trump needs to stop being the "Whiner In Chief" and start getting things done.   He has the power to make it happen......Use It!

Yes, he does!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 02:18:41 PM
CNN supports racism and violence daily on their channel and their pieces are allowed to be posted. Looks like you agree with me that CNN should be banned on the site.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/15fcb6bafc9dd871b011e88dc32b07ea/tenor.gif?itemid=4736051)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: dfwgator on January 26, 2019, 02:19:57 PM
So...when's that State of the Union speech going to happen?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 26, 2019, 02:26:29 PM
So, postponing the SOTU wasn't a concession, ending the shutdown wasn't a concession.  I'm afraid of what else isn't going to be a concession, or maybe I should be afraid of what will be one.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 02:28:03 PM
You're the one rewriting history.  It only took a few in strategically positions to bring a halt to everything.  And, apparently, you're hell bent on  editing out Paul Ryan, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Lisa Murkowski, Rob Porter et al.  They were not going to be "won over" because they were consumed with hate that Donald Trump won.  They would have been more amenable to Hillary Clinton.

I won't let you rewrite this.  For the last two years the GOP Congressional caucuses have been under diehard Never-Trump control  They brought us --- willfully ---- to this point



Sure, let’s completely leave Trump’s terrible political instincts and decision making out of the equation. When he first assumed office, he backed the horrible RINO replacement plan for O-care. When the Freedom Caucus blocked it, he told them to get on the team or he’d campaign against them in 2018. During the Camp David meeting last December, he agreed not to back insurgent candidates in the midterms. Hilariously, they made the agreement to secure campaign money from the Koch brothers, who don’t support Trump on immigration or trade.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 02:28:44 PM
So, postponing the SOTU wasn't a concession, ending the shutdown wasn't a concession.  I'm afraid of what else isn't going to be a concession, or maybe I should be afraid of what will be one.

I know a thing or two about concessions.  I own the coffee and donut concession in The Lounge.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: TomSea on January 26, 2019, 02:32:14 PM
Maybe we could open up a concessions stand at the driven-in movies and make a profit. 

(http://static.boydgaming.net/orleansarena/media/gallery/OA_Concession_Stand-360249-full.jpg)

The wall has always been fine with me but I'm not one of those people who like one guy I know said "I only voted for Trump because he promised to build a wall" but it definitely is with beefing up and securing the border for however that works.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: austingirl on January 26, 2019, 02:33:02 PM
Perhaps if he had actually tried to convince them with reason and thoughtful conversation, he would have convinced at least a few.

It's called "leadership."  And it's what real Presidents do.

 *****rollingeyes*****
As if you can convince open border globalists like Ryan to help build a wall.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 26, 2019, 02:34:07 PM
I know a thing or two about concessions.  I own the coffee and donut concession in The Lounge.

Thank you for proving my point, since I know that the plain ones didn't start out that way.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 02:34:26 PM
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IN THREE WEEKS. THIS TIME, I REALLY MEAN IT!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 02:34:29 PM
Yes, he does!

And he will.

All he's done here is given congress 3 weeks to get a legislative solution that includes wall funds...and he's put everyone back to work at Homeland and along the border thus helping out the very force he needs to slow immigration and control our ports of entry. If a 3 week concession allowing those things to occur is supposed be some kind of failure...well...you NT's still don't understand what's happening. When Trump declares the Emergency on the border, it must be after he's exhausted all other avenues...this is part of building that case (specifically building it FOR a Supreme Court ruling that will surely come after the Declaration of Emergency occurs).

The Dems and you NT's seem to think this is a victory for you. Its not. Its simply the President delaying his own victory in this wall struggle...and thus appearing as the fair and compromising side in this repartee'. Wall construction will be under way before February is out...either via legislation or through a Declaration of Emergency...either way, that's a win-win for the President.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: austingirl on January 26, 2019, 02:35:28 PM
Yep, that's exactly why George Bush...Senior and Junior...got that wall built and fixed our immigration system....all of that "reasoning and thoughtful conversation" they used brought in enough RINO's and Dems to get it done.   Oh...wait...that's exactly the opposite of what happened...could it be that no amount of huggy-feely conversation was or would ever sway the RINO's to support a wall. Especially when they know they can take refuge in the arms of NT's who are so willing to be Quisling's and undermine the conservative cause.

Trump being an MF'r is the ONLY way we get this done...the Dems will never go along with a wall, and with you RINO/NT's undercutting the work to get it done...well...here we are.

Luckily, the President will fight on...and ultimately succeed...while all you delicate NT flowers poo-poo from the sidelines and facilitate the Left in its opposition. That's bad enough...but blaming Trump for your effective work to stop him as NT/RINO's...well that's just rich.

If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!
:thumbsup:

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 02:36:24 PM
Thank you for proving my point, since I know that the plain ones didn't start out that way.

Hey!  I haven't done that since I started my diet.  I already lost >55 lbs.

@Victoria33 @musiclady
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 26, 2019, 02:44:54 PM
*****rollingeyes*****
As if you can convince open border globalists like Ryan to help build a wall.

I'm definitely not going to defend the Republicans in Congress (at least most of them), but the test of leadership when you are in the WH is to convince your own party to follow its own purported policy.

If you can't do that, you fail the leadership test.

It's a time honored policy that the person in charge bears the responsibility for what goes on under him.  Bush 43 was to blame for the profligate spending of Congress, as is Trump, as well as his incoherent positions about the wall and our national security.

He wanted the job.  It's his.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 26, 2019, 02:45:57 PM
Hey!  I haven't done that since I started my diet.  I already lost >55 lbs.

@Victoria33 @musiclady

That means you're doing something disgusting to them to keep from eating them.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 26, 2019, 02:47:03 PM
Hey!  I haven't done that since I started my diet.  I already lost >55 lbs.

@Victoria33 @musiclady

I believe you, Cyber................... SURE I do.   :cool:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: ABX on January 26, 2019, 02:47:50 PM
180 degree chess moves here. He is thinking way ahead of everyone else. You must move forward, not backward, downward, not upward, and always twirling, twirling towards your goal.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 26, 2019, 02:48:59 PM
 :
Trump needs to stop being the "Whiner In Chief" and start getting things done.   He has the power to make it happen......Use It!

Amen.  True.  And he should not sign any Democratic bills coming to his desk if it includes welfare or funding for liberal projects.  Certainly nothing for Planned Parenthood.  If Nancy wants stalemate she can have it.  Lame duck.  She can seal this Congress's fate from the get go.  They can fight it out till pigs fly.

 :pigs fly:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 26, 2019, 02:49:35 PM
:thumbsup:

Seriously, austingirl............ you believe that people who post negative things on forums such as this one are A.  Responsible for Trump's failure or B.  Happy that our national security is still at great risk because he's failed here??

SERIOUSLY???  :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: austingirl on January 26, 2019, 02:49:54 PM
I'm definitely not going to defend the Republicans in Congress (at least most of them), but the test of leadership when you are in the WH is to convince your own party to follow its own purported policy.

If you can't do that, you fail the leadership test.

It's a time honored policy that the person in charge bears the responsibility for what goes on under him.  Bush 43 was to blame for the profligate spending of Congress, as is Trump, as well as his incoherent positions about the wall and our national security.

He wanted the job.  It's his.

Do you really think that the GOP could be convinced to give up their feeding at the trough of lobbyists and vote for the security of the American people? I don't.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: EdJames on January 26, 2019, 02:51:01 PM
*****rollingeyes*****
As if you can convince open border globalists like Ryan to help build a wall.

Finally.  That is the point that I have been trying to make for weeks.

People need to understand HOW legislation gets to the floor for full vote, in both chambers.

On this issue (and more than a few others), there is no functional difference between Ryan and Pelosi.

Being friendly with the Freedom Caucus, nor any other group within the House with no real power, has zero impact on House leadership.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 26, 2019, 02:52:28 PM
Do you really think that the GOP could be convinced to give up their feeding at the trough of lobbyists and vote for the security of the American people? I don't.

I don't know.

I just know who's charged with convincing them, and who has failed.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 02:52:53 PM
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IN THREE WEEKS. THIS TIME, I REALLY MEAN IT!

Here's but one example @edpc  I posted three additional updates on the wall construction on this thread:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

Nov 28:  El Paso Tx New Border Wall

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVXKrEQEII0#)




Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 26, 2019, 02:55:45 PM
I'm definitely not going to defend the Republicans in Congress (at least most of them), but the test of leadership when you are in the WH is to convince your own party to follow its own purported policy.

If you can't do that, you fail the leadership test.

It's a time honored policy that the person in charge bears the responsibility for what goes on under him.  Bush 43 was to blame for the profligate spending of Congress, as is Trump, as well as his incoherent positions about the wall and our national security.

He wanted the job.  It's his.

Good post.  I don't defend them either.  But he needed to do the work to get them in line with what people voted for.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: austingirl on January 26, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
Seriously, austingirl............ you believe that people who post negative things on forums such as this one are A.  Responsible for Trump's failure or B.  Happy that our national security is still at great risk because he's failed here??

SERIOUSLY???  :shrug:

I agree with the post in that RINOs in Congress are to blame for the failure. I was not a Trump supporter during the primaries and criticized him. I was for Cruz. I voted for Trump hoping that a disruptor would actually turn the tide back to constitutional rule. I didn't figure on the GOP hamstringing Trump. I support the President while I abhor his personal style and cringe at his disorganized rhetoric.

I'm not happy that we couldn't keep our Constitutional Republic. And I don't think the hatred and snark spewed at Trump and anyone who dares to support him is helpful.

In three weeks we'll know if he failed, but it sure doesn't look good. He is trying to negotiate with those who seek totalitarian rule and use any means necessary to achieve their aims.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 03:04:13 PM
I don't know.

I just know who's charged with convincing them, and who has failed.

Voters are charged with convincing...no President ever born could "convince" these NT/RINO's to vote for a wall. You are trying to set up an impossible standard...a rather silly one.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 03:08:53 PM
Here's but one example @edpc  I posted three additional updates on the wall construction on this thread:


Interesting. The money Pelosi won’t give him for the wall she won’t let him have has already been gotten? It’s really weird how the WH has spent so much time over the past 30+ days on a fight they’ve already won.    :pondering:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
Voters are charged with convincing...no President ever born could "convince" these NT/RINO's to vote for a wall. You are trying to set up an impossible standard...a rather silly one.

True... but..... Trump is 'the President' that bragged about how he would make 'great deals'.  To hear him talk, he was going to work miracles.   Just sayin....
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 03:15:41 PM
I believe you, Cyber................... SURE I do.   :cool:

The proof is written on my bathroom scale!  Under 200 lbs, the lowest since well before the hip surgeries....
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 03:19:44 PM

Interesting. The money Pelosi won’t give him for the wall she won’t let him have has already been gotten? It’s really weird how the WH has spent so much time over the past 30+ days on a fight they’ve already won.    :pondering:

No @edpc  More money is needed to finish the walls.  BTW, "finish the wall" was a slogan that appeared during the midterm rallies.  I much prefer that one.   happy77
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 03:21:23 PM
True... but..... Trump is 'the President' that bragged about how he would make 'great deals'.  To hear him talk, he was going to work miracles. 

And he is @XenaLee http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: 240B on January 26, 2019, 03:21:54 PM
Horseshit. The GOP margin in the Senate was controlled by RINO's like McCain, Murkowski and Collins...who's votes on nearly every important issue handed control of legislation to the Dems. If you want to blame anyone for what WASN'T done in that 2 years, put 100% of it on the RINO/NT alliance that stopped what the President was working to achieve. 

You have to love GOP'rs who've slammed and fought against the President...working with Dems and RINO's...blaming the President, or even McConnell, for not getting a wall. The culprits in this failure ARE the NT/RINO crowd...nobody else need share any of that blame.
Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 03:29:27 PM
Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.

That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.

And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.

When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.

Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 03:30:04 PM
Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.

   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 03:30:22 PM
No @edpc  More money is needed to finish the walls.  BTW, "finish the wall" was a slogan that appeared during the midterm rallies.  I much prefer that one.   happy77


From what I can tell, the only thing that's been constructed is a pretty cumbersome, yet somehow mobile, goalpost.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.

I see examples of what @240B is talking about on other websites (like Bookface), but very rarely here.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: EdJames on January 26, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
If you want to put a face on why the prior Congress under Ryan's leadership would never pass legislation funding a wall:

(https://www.executivegov.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Tom-Donahue-ExecutiveGov-300x181.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 03:37:41 PM
That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.

And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.

When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.

Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.

   Hey @Mesaclone it's your friggin party you bought it Lock, Stock and Barrel in 2015 besides I left in 2010 and as far as your 'Primary Logic' goes, your party turned off our microphones at the convention among other 'Tricks', so that doesn't wash with me either.
   Long story, short not all of what you perceive as NT'ers hate Trump or anybody for that matter.
   Gonna go HUG someone I love.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 03:38:58 PM
   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.

Its not that you want the country to fail, its that you are working to make the President fail...which in the current context is the same thing. And saying "I told you so" after your fellow NT/RINO's in congress have worked so tirelessly to thwart the President's efforts to get a wall built...defines the problem. And yes, it is CLEARLY a form of cheering.

But you've earned an "I told you so"...in fact, you've actively been part of preventing a wall from being built by undermining the man who is fighting to get it done. While I realize you're not a voting member of congress, you are part of the support structure for the congressional NT's like Murkowski, Collins etcetera. As such, you can be proud of your little part in helping the Left attain its goals. Good work!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 03:41:57 PM
And he is @XenaLee http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

Wow.  Then... it looks like Trump shut down the government, and punished all those gov workers for nothing.   How heartless of him!    **nononono*
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 03:43:53 PM
Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union and a close Trump ally, said this of Trump's view of Pelosi: "He has respect for her. He knows that she's a tough operator. He does not dislike her."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html)


Well, that's a problem. If you don't dislike someone who told us we needed to pass O-care to see what's in it and used parliamentary BS like 'deem and pass' to ram it through on a straight party vote, you can't dislike anyone in politics.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 03:45:29 PM
   Like my usually silly memes and comments here effect Trump, WoW  8888huh
   You Trumpers are just, as always, looking to blame someone else for the obvious incompetent yingyang you elected. 
   My shoulders are broad but this is a burden I will not carry.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 03:46:03 PM
Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union and a close Trump ally, said this of Trump's view of Pelosi: "He has respect for her. He knows that she's a tough operator. He does not dislike her."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html)


Well, that's a problem. If you don't dislike someone who told us we needed to pass O-care to see what's in it and used parliamentary BS like 'deem and pass' to ram it through on a straight party vote, you can't dislike anyone in politics.

Better yet, you can't relate to your supporters who detest the ground Pelosi and her ilk walks on.... for very good reasons.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 03:46:44 PM
   Hey @Mesaclone it's your friggin party you bought it Lock, Stock and Barrel in 2015 besides I left in 2010 and as far as your 'Primary Logic' goes, your party turned off our microphones at the convention among other 'Tricks', so that doesn't wash with me either.
   Long story, short not all of what you perceive as NT'ers hate Trump or anybody for that matter.
   Gonna go HUG someone I love.

Its not about party at this point. Its about Conservatism and Socialism warring for the future of the country...and however imperfect our current brand of conservatism may be, it remains the diametric opposite of the kind of soul crushing, economy destroying, freedom ending nightmare that the Democratic party is bringing our way at hyperspeed. There is no "3rd" side in THIS battle...you either oppose this Socialist monstrosity as the President and his supporters are doing, collaborate with it as you are now doing, or sit uselessly on the sideline reveling in your own moral narcissism (which is worse than taking a side). 

Your stand makes you a full on collaborator with the Pelosi-Cortz bunch...akin to a Murkowski or a Collins. You actively write and post, not with constructive criticism for Presidential policies with which you disagree, but rather you work to demean and undermine while offering no other means of resisting this Socialist Beast that the Left is launching at us.

And lets not pretend you don't hate Trump...you've gone too far and said too much for anyone here to believe such an absurd claim.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
Wow.  Then... it looks like Trump shut down the government, and punished all those gov workers for nothing.   How heartless of him!    **nononono*


Yeah, but they were getting back pay and could always negotiate with landlords and grocers. In other words, they could make the great deals he couldn't?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 26, 2019, 03:48:31 PM
Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union and a close Trump ally, said this of Trump's view of Pelosi: "He has respect for her. He knows that she's a tough operator. He does not dislike her."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html)


Well, that's a problem. If you don't dislike someone who told us we needed to pass O-care to see what's in it and used parliamentary BS like 'deem and pass' to ram it through on a straight party vote, you can't dislike anyone in politics.

Come on, you can't say out loud that you hate someone that need something from.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: TomSea on January 26, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.

You don't know if it is a failure. You want every i dotted and every t crossed. For me, Trump has been successful just in getting this issue on the table. This respite is only 3 weeks and oh, boy, @corbe , then, watch out. Trump's a genius negotiator. This is all part of the process.

And again, the guy you have been plugging, has been supporting Trump. So, you have a blind spot. You are being divisive.  Still, we think the world of you.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 26, 2019, 03:50:27 PM
Voters are charged with convincing...no President ever born could "convince" these NT/RINO's to vote for a wall. You are trying to set up an impossible standard...a rather silly one.

That's OK.  Your feelings for Trump are more than silly.

It's the President's job to convince the Congress to enact his policies.  He said he could do it.  He couldn't do it.

That's pretty much all there is to it.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 03:51:58 PM

Yeah, but they were getting back pay and could always negotiate with landlords and grocers. In other words, they could make the great deals he couldn't?

Well the AT's can't have it 'both' ways.  It's either that Trump didn't really need the wall funding he shut the gov down over ..... and thus, he lied to the American people....

or he really did need that funding.   The AT's trying to make it look like Trump didn't need that funding, and is already 'building the wall', are making it sound like Trump lied.  Hilarious, when you think about it.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 26, 2019, 03:53:48 PM
Actually, it was two years of near total Never-Trump GOP control of the government. 

Liking where it got us?

You mean Lindsey Graham?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 26, 2019, 03:54:24 PM
That's OK.  Your feelings for Trump are more than silly.

It's the President's job to convince the Congress to enact his policies.  He said he could do it.  He couldn't do it.

That's pretty much all there is to it.

He didn't succeed.  IF he truly wanted a wall he would have fought this battle long ago when he had a full majority.  He didn't.  Nor did he completely repeal Bammycare.  The tax ramifications of his new tax plan will become apparent when each of us files our taxes; so far, as our first years as seniors on social security it looks like we're going to get royally screwed.

I'm glad we don't have Hillary.  Jury for me is still out on the justices he's placed.  Unemployment is down.  That's about it.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 03:54:52 PM
Come on, you can't say out loud that you hate someone that need something from.


She obviously doesn't GAF....


“It’s like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him. This wall thing.”
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: TomSea on January 26, 2019, 03:55:52 PM
That's OK.  Your feelings for Trump are more than silly.

It's the President's job to convince the Congress to enact his policies.  He said he could do it.  He couldn't do it.

That's pretty much all there is to it.

And I would not forget, many people fighting tooth and nail against Trump. Look how hard it was to get Kavanaugh nominated. The odds are against them, they tried. At least, let's tell the whole story.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: 240B on January 26, 2019, 03:57:16 PM
   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.
I wasn't talking about TBR. I was referring to Congress in general. Sorry if I offended anyone. It was a general statement not directed at anyone in particular.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 03:57:39 PM
   With all due respect @Mesaclone It is unfortunate that you believe my posting history here represents hate of any kind, for truly in my heart ~ I hate no one, it always corrodes the vessel that carries it.
   Perhaps, I'm just a few steps ahead of you in this political theatre in believing that Trump is not the answer to the question, never was, whatever the question was, he is a 72yo showman, not apt to change and more importantly his advisors more often than not-suc.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sr1bUg0y3bo/Vp0COucgfrI/AAAAAAAALRI/bkTBrHo6_ow/s1600/The%2Btree%2Bof%2Bliberty%2Bmust%2Bbe%2Brefreshed%2Bfrom%2Btime%2Bto%2Btime%2Bwith%2Bthe%2Bblood%2Bof%2Bpatriots%2Band%2Btyrants-01.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 04:00:51 PM
Well the AT's can't have it 'both' ways.  It's either that Trump didn't really need the wall funding he shut the gov down over ..... and thus, he lied to the American people....

or he really did need that funding.   The AT's trying to make it look like Trump didn't need that funding, and is already 'building the wall', are making it sound like Trump lied.  Hilarious, when you think about it.


Oh, I know and I pretty much said the same thing here...

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349181.msg1901100.html#msg1901100 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349181.msg1901100.html#msg1901100)

Remember when Trump said the wall would be X amount of feet high, concrete and rebar, stretching from Gulf to Pacific? Just like everything else with him, the story and parameters change when it's convenient.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 04:01:24 PM
Come on, you can't say out loud that you hate someone that need something from.

Oh sure you can.   Trump can... and does.   Have you seen his latest tweet wherein he essentially called Pelosi a fool?  lolol

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Only fools, or people with a political agenda, don’t want a Wall or Steel Barrier to protect our Country from Crime, Drugs and Human Trafficking. It will happen - it always does!

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Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: TomSea on January 26, 2019, 04:07:11 PM
He's fought all the way, he promised to try and do things. Some remarks are nothing less than the way, Carrion circle. Maybe he could have made better attempts, he has tried and this is not over. I helped elect a president, not a magician.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 04:08:20 PM
You don't know if it is a failure. You want every i dotted and every t crossed. For me, Trump has been successful just in getting this issue on the table. This respite is only 3 weeks and oh, boy, @corbe , then, watch out. Trump's a genius negotiator. This is all part of the process.

And again, the guy you have been plugging, has been supporting Trump. So, you have a blind spot. You are being divisive.  Still, we think the world of you.

   Your right @TomSea I don't know, no one knows.  Believe it or Not, I think I have tempered my comments somewhat today, primarily due to PM's I received last night. 
   I don't want Trump to fail, I'm just disappointed, as most here are, of the inevitably of it all.   Very, Very few in DC want Immigration Reform, of any type.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 04:08:31 PM

Oh, I know and I pretty much said the same thing here...

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349181.msg1901100.html#msg1901100 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349181.msg1901100.html#msg1901100)

Remember when Trump said the wall would be X amount of feet high, concrete and rebar, stretching from Gulf to Pacific? Just like everything else with him, the story and parameters change when it's convenient.

I never believe stump speeches full of red meat, especially his.  Over-the-top stuff like that gets said, and I know better than to believe it.  Been around this game too long.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 04:10:30 PM
   Your right @TomSea I don't know, no one knows.  Believe it or Not, I think I have tempered my comments somewhat today, primarily due to PM's I received last night. 
   I don't want Trump to fail, I'm just disappointed, as most here are, of the inevitably of it all.   Very, Very few in DC want Immigration Reform, of any type.

It's frustrating as all get-out...knowing these idiots in government are sending the country to Heck, and dragging us all along for the ride.

 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 04:11:05 PM
He didn't succeed.  IF he truly wanted a wall he would have fought this battle long ago when he had a full majority. 

Of course the President wants the wall @libertybele   He's been doing remarkably well against the headwinds of GOP NTs in Congress.

Here's a link to an update on how the first pittance of wall money from the last budget almost a year ago is being spent.  These updates are from late 2018:

  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

The President needs more money now to finish these walls and start new ones.  (He also needs the money for sensors and guard towers).

Please don't question his commitment to the wall .... I also know he's going to get the money, one way or the other.   happy77
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: skeeter on January 26, 2019, 04:11:26 PM
I never believe stump speeches full of red meat, especially his.  Over-the-top stuff like that gets said, and I know better than to believe it.  Been around this game too long.

I'm still steamed about this one: "...And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent won't rule out raising taxes. But I will. And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no. And they'll push, and I'll say no, and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them, "Read my lips: no new taxes."
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: TomSea on January 26, 2019, 04:15:20 PM
Of course, those who seem to be pointing out this so-called failure appear to be those who were staunchly against him from the get go.  This episode is not over, we will see. In the meantime, unquestionably, there is a lot to take solace over. Many good things have happened.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 04:15:32 PM
Quote
January 25, 2019

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) today issued the following statement on the passage of legislation to temporarily reopen the federal government while negotiations continue to fund border security and build the wall.

"I am glad the Schumer shutdown is over," Sen. Cruz said. "I am glad federal workers will finally be paid. For weeks, Democrats held their paychecks hostage. Yesterday, I fought hard to immediately pay every single essential federal employee - every essential employee at the Coast Guard, the TSA, air traffic controllers, Border Patrol agents, ICE agents, FBI agents, and those throughout law enforcement. Chuck Schumer and the Democrats cynically objected to that legislation and killed it on the Senate floor.

"The Democrats have claimed that, once the shutdown ends, they are willing to negotiate in good faith to secure the border. Given their behavior, there is considerable reason to be skeptical of their claim. But, now, we will see if they actually meant what they said.

"The media will obsess over the short-term political fight. But what matters is enacting real solutions to the real problems of this country. We have a crisis at our border, one that Texas experiences first-hand. We need real border security, including physical barriers to stop drug traffickers and human traffickers. I will continue to lead the fight to secure the border and get the job done. We must keep our word to the American people.

"Perhaps the Democrats will end their partisan obstruction, set aside their hatred of the president, and agree to a reasonable compromise to actually secure the border. I hope so.

"If not - if Democrats continue to embrace open borders at the expense of the American people - then today's actions have made it all but inevitable that the president will declare a national emergency and deploy the funds and manpower necessary to build a steel barrier at high-traffic locations on the border."

###


https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=4299 (https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=4299)
 
 


Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 04:19:03 PM
I'm still steamed about this one: "...And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent won't rule out raising taxes. But I will. And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no. And they'll push, and I'll say no, and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them, "Read my lips: no new taxes."

You should be steamed.  I am.  That one was right up there with "If you like your Doctor..."
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 04:19:49 PM
Here's how the President has been spending the initial down payment of $1.6 billion from March 2018.  Updates are from late 2018.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
 

@Chosen Daughter


Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 26, 2019, 04:20:28 PM
I never believe stump speeches full of red meat, especially his.  Over-the-top stuff like that gets said, and I know better than to believe it.  Been around this game too long.

People were so full of hope.  I never believed he could do what he promised.  And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 26, 2019, 04:21:22 PM
You should be steamed.  I am.  That one was right up there with "If you like your Doctor..."


islam is a religion of peace
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 04:21:56 PM
   Hopefully now he can take a jaunt down to Mar~a~Lago and clear his head, Round 2, in 3 weeks, will also be brutal, for all of us.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 04:27:10 PM
   Hopefully now he can take a jaunt down to Mar~a~Lago and clear his head, Round 2, in 3 weeks, will also be brutal, for all of us.

The next three weeks will be a sweeping of the democrats into a corner. The weeks will end with the rest of the wall being built with the additional money @corbe   

Look how far we've come since the first $1.6 billion in March:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 04:31:37 PM
People were so full of hope.  I never believed he could do what he promised.  And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.

I think Obama started that push for caravans, and like much of life, they will have to be consistently resisted to dissuade them once encouraged.  It's like a kid who figured out there's no lock on the cookie jar.  He'll test it a bunch of times after you install the lock.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 26, 2019, 04:35:41 PM
People were so full of hope.  I never believed he could do what he promised.  And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.

So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously. You thought it was an impossible task to tackle immigration and you were proven right. Does it change anything in your daily life? I don't see how it could considering the shit going on now has been going on solid for 30 years.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 26, 2019, 04:36:06 PM
Paul Ryan is an open borders globalist. No way Ryan was going to give Trump the money to build a wall.

And who the hell pushed for Ryan to be speaker again right after he was elected - Donald F'ing Trump.

The same goes for McConnell - Donald F'ing Trump pushed for him to lead the senate.

There's pages of us complaining about Trump doing that immediately after being elected when he said he was going to drain the swamp. We said it would lead to disaster.

Yet over and over you scream it is someone else's fault. The fault is believing the conman that got elected and in particularly still believing him betrayal after betrayal.

Who said they were going to put "Hillary in jail" and the day he's elected says the Clintons are good people and have suffered enough. The FBI and DOJ remain as corrupt as they were when Trump was elected. That is failure of the highest order on Trump's part.

How about holding Trump accountable for all this crap?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 26, 2019, 04:38:02 PM

She obviously doesn't GAF....


“It’s like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him. This wall thing.”

Oh, well, maybe that's why Trump had to concede to ending the shutdown.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 26, 2019, 04:40:50 PM
People were so full of hope.  I never believed he could do what he promised.  And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.

They wanted Hope and Change........ they hoped for Hope and Change.

And they got just what most of us expected.

Same old, same old........
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 04:42:51 PM

islam is a religion of peace

We could fill a book.

(http://blog.lib.uiowa.edu/preservation/files/2011/01/open.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 04:44:04 PM

From what I can tell, the only thing that's been constructed is a pretty cumbersome, yet somehow mobile, goalpost.

Well, I don't know how you define "goalpost", but these structures are 20 feet high and 30 feet deep.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 04:44:25 PM
So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously. You thought it was an impossible task to tackle immigration and you were proven right. Does it change anything in your daily life? I don't see how it could considering the shit going on now has been going on solid for 30 years.

I peg this a lot further back than 30 years.  I'm thinking during the 60's and Ted Kennedy.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 04:49:00 PM
And who the hell pushed for Ryan to be speaker again right after he was elected - Donald F'ing Trump.

The same goes for McConnell - Donald F'ing Trump pushed for him to lead the senate.

There's pages of us complaining about Trump doing that immediately after being elected when he said he was going to drain the swamp. We said it would lead to disaster.

Yet over and over you scream it is someone else's fault. The fault is believing the conman that got elected and in particularly still believing him betrayal after betrayal.

Who said they were going to put "Hillary in jail" and the day he's elected says the Clintons are good people and have suffered enough. The FBI and DOJ remain as corrupt as they were when Trump was elected. That is failure of the highest order on Trump's part.

How about holding Trump accountable for all this crap?


   @DB you're way too gleeful, you should learn to Curb your Enthusiasm     wink777
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 04:49:32 PM
Wow.  Then... it looks like Trump shut down the government, and punished all those gov workers for nothing.   How heartless of him!    **nononono*

I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek @XenaLee   But the President needs more money, now.  You can be sure *he* sees the 8,000 heading toward our border.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 04:50:54 PM
I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek @XenaLee   But the President needs more money, now.  You can be sure *he* sees the 8,000 heading toward our border.

Yeah... it definitely was sarcasm.  But that doesn't mean it wasn't warranted...lol.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: aligncare on January 26, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
Yep, that's exactly why George Bush...Senior and Junior...got that wall built and fixed our immigration system....all of that "reasoning and thoughtful conversation" they used brought in enough RINO's and Dems to get it done.   Oh...wait...that's exactly the opposite of what happened...could it be that no amount of huggy-feely conversation was or would ever sway the RINO's to support a wall. Especially when they know they can take refuge in the arms of NT's who are so willing to be Quisling's and undermine the conservative cause.

Trump being an MF'r is the ONLY way we get this done...the Dems will never go along with a wall, and with you RINO/NT's undercutting the work to get it done...well...here we are.

Luckily, the President will fight on...and ultimately succeed...while all you delicate NT flowers poo-poo from the sidelines and facilitate the Left in its opposition. That's bad enough...but blaming Trump for your effective work to stop him as NT/RINO's...well that's just rich.

If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!

That deserved a big ol’ +1, good buddy.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for the flood of mea culpas when Trump succeeds in getting the wall built.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 04:56:52 PM
That deserved a big ol’ +1, good buddy.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for the flood of mea culpas when Trump succeeds in getting the wall built.

Mea culpas for what???
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 05:00:56 PM
That deserved a big ol’ +1, good buddy.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for the flood of mea culpas when Trump succeeds in getting the wall built.

That's good, because you will croak before you get apologies.  Some "Attaboys!" for sure, but no apologies.  Demands for apologies have gotten nowhere as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 05:01:33 PM
Mea culpas for what???

Exactly.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: aligncare on January 26, 2019, 05:05:19 PM
That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.

And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.

When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.

Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.


Whoa, slow down. I can’t handle too much common sense in one post.  :beer:

By the way, I’m thinking of becoming one of your disciples. Could you send me an application?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: aligncare on January 26, 2019, 05:14:34 PM
Of course, those who seem to be pointing out this so-called failure appear to be those who were staunchly against him from the get go.  This episode is not over, we will see. In the meantime, unquestionably, there is a lot to take solace over. Many good things have happened.

True words, my friend, true words. Your optimism is commendable and needed around these parts.

You hold on to that. Never allow anyone to harsh your enthusiasm. We’ll see who laughs last.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: aligncare on January 26, 2019, 05:17:42 PM
Here's how the President has been spending the initial down payment of $1.6 billion from March 2018.  Updates are from late 2018.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
 

@Chosen Daughter

They’re not interested. The only thing that captures their imagination is the thought that Mueller might soon uncover Russian collusion and put their long terrible nightmare to an end.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 05:22:33 PM
They’re not interested. The only thing that captures their imagination is the thought that Mueller might soon uncover Russian collusion and put their long terrible nightmare to an end.

More blanket condemnations and insults in your desperate attempt to do "damage control"?

Your comment is asinine, to put it mildly.

Sure, there might be a couple of members who would cheer for Mueller..... but most of us have gone ON RECORD against the Mueller witch hunt.

You sir are dishonest.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bilo on January 26, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
As much as I want to give up on Trump at this point I won't. We will see in 3 weeks whats going to happen.

I think Trump will have to declare a national emergency, or use the Army Corps of Engineers to start construction without declaring an emergency. Either way lawsuits will be filed and injunctions issued. The end result nothing gets built and the problem just keeps getting worse. The alternative is another shutdown at the end of which Trump surrenders. We will see.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 26, 2019, 05:25:49 PM
So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously. You thought it was an impossible task to tackle immigration and you were proven right. Does it change anything in your daily life? I don't see how it could considering the shit going on now has been going on solid for 30 years.

Yes, it absolutely does Frank.  Some people like you are so out of touch.  It has driven wages down for a full 30 years straight in manufacturing.  10 years ago it may have been illegal immigrants were 3% of the population.  15 years 10% and a steady increase every year.  Every year there are new levies to pay for the increased population of children attending school.  Every year thousands of illegal immigrants are imprisoned in our state and federal prisons. 

Every year with the increase of illegal immigrants comes increased costs to our welfare system.  Which are passed on to you and me.  Well I remember you posting your fancy car.  Maybe that's less than a pinhead in your income but to me its a major pain in my finance.  I can't afford the increasing property tax.  Because I only make a couple dollars more than I made in 1996.  But inflation has only grown and grown.  Yes it does affect me. 

It affects you too, maybe?  There is growing push every year to reward illegal immigration.  Left and right position themselves for Hispanic support.  The more our cities fill with an uneven number of one race or another politicians are in a frenzy to make them happy just so they can have the vote.

Never mind that our entire country is corrupted by Mexican drug Cartel.  No worries that students may never graduate because they might die from gang violence in the schools.  Nancy and Chuck should know about that.  But hey their families don't sent their kids to public education!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mod2 on January 26, 2019, 05:26:56 PM
Please stay on topic!  Mueller is not the topic, the "end" of the "shutdown" is.

Don't make this a NT vs AT thread or I'll lock it.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 26, 2019, 05:29:26 PM
More blanket condemnations and insults in your desperate attempt to do "damage control"?

Your comment is asinine, to put it mildly.

Sure, there might be a couple of members who would cheer for Mueller..... but most of us have gone ON RECORD against the Mueller witch hunt.

You sir are dishonest.

Nobody is cheering Mueller.  But lets be real.  It has taken more priority than securing our borders.  It has dominated the presidents time in office.  Its a waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 26, 2019, 05:34:17 PM

That is true, had he spent less time worrying about fake news and actaully sit down with the leaders of both houses he could have a wall.


@kevindavis

HorseHillary! The Dim-controlled Congress is NOT going to let him have a wall under ANY circumstances because without the fresh influx of illegal alien voters they will lose power.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 26, 2019, 05:34:26 PM
You should be steamed.  I am.  That one was right up there with "If you like your Doctor..."

I am too.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 26, 2019, 05:48:26 PM
Yes, it absolutely does Frank.  Some people like you are so out of touch.  It has driven wages down for a full 30 years straight in manufacturing.  10 years ago it may have been illegal immigrants were 3% of the population.  15 years 10% and a steady increase every year.  Every year there are new levies to pay for the increased population of children attending school.  Every year thousands of illegal immigrants are imprisoned in our state and federal prisons. 

Every year with the increase of illegal immigrants comes increased costs to our welfare system.  Which are passed on to you and me.  Well I remember you posting your fancy car.  Maybe that's less than a pinhead in your income but to me its a major pain in my finance.  I can't afford the increasing property tax.  Because I only make a couple dollars more than I made in 1996.  But inflation has only grown and grown.  Yes it does affect me. 

It affects you too, maybe?  There is growing push every year to reward illegal immigration.  Left and right position themselves for Hispanic support.  The more our cities fill with an uneven number of one race or another politicians are in a frenzy to make them happy just so they can have the vote.

Never mind that our entire country is corrupted by Mexican drug Cartel.  No worries that students may never graduate because they might die from gang violence in the schools.  Nancy and Chuck should know about that.  But hey their families don't sent their kids to public education!

The typical public school spends around $10,000 a year per student. An illegal family with three children costs the school's taxpayers $30,000 a year just for that one family. That's not counting the additional school expenses for having students who can't speak English or poor prior schooling. There are millions of them. And that's just the schools. Illegals are stealing from the communities they settle in and is a direct consequence of the employer that employs them. These employers are major thieves in their communities. They get the benefit of cheap labor and the community gets to pay the additional costs of his cheap labor. It is totally crooked. Another government encouraged moral hazard that incentivizes people to do the wrong thing at someone else's expense. It is has become big business that no one in power has the courage to actually stop short of lip service.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 26, 2019, 05:51:08 PM
Please stay on topic!  Mueller is not the topic, the "end" of the "shutdown" is.

Don't make this a NT vs AT thread or I'll lock it.


LOL  Seriously?  Every thread here is NT vs AT, even when they're not about T.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 05:52:14 PM
LOL  Seriously?  Every thread here is NT vs AT, even when they're not about T.

True!  :happyhappy:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 05:53:12 PM
@kevindavis

HorseHillary! The Dim-controlled Congress is NOT going to let him have a wall under ANY circumstances because without the fresh influx of illegal alien voters they will lose power.

But we're already building one @sneakypete   Updates here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

I've no doubt, one way or the other, the President will find the funding to complete it.



Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 05:53:47 PM
LOL  Seriously?  Every thread here is NT vs AT, even when they're not about T.

Maybe Mod2 forgot the sarc tag....?   lol
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 26, 2019, 05:55:20 PM
LOL  Seriously?  Every thread here is NT vs AT, even when they're not about T.

Well at least it hasn't devolved into their demanding we precede T with "President" for awhile...
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 05:57:37 PM
But we're already building one @sneakypete   Updates here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

I've no doubt, one way or the other, the President will find the funding to complete it beyond the $1.6 billion in March.

I've been watching them build progressively stronger walls on the border for as long as I've had the eyes to watch.  The pace has been glacial, and they've been shown to work as designed.  That they work is precisely why the Rats oppose them with any rhetorical tool they can find, even having the most pro-abortion politicians in history calling them "immoral."
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 05:58:53 PM
Well at least it hasn't devolved into their demanding we precede T with "President" for awhile...

That Trump Train left the station quite some time ago.  I use the honorific when it's appropriate and clarifying. 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 06:02:10 PM
   I've always advocated that this Forum needs an OFFICIAL NT/AT Elimination Thread, matches and gasoline, optional.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 06:03:07 PM
I've been watching them build progressively stronger walls on the border for as long as I've had the eyes to watch.  The pace has been glacial, and they've been shown to work as designed.  That they work is precisely why the Rats oppose them with any rhetorical tool they can find, even having the most pro-abortion politicians in history calling them "immoral."

I'm still on the side that says the President will find and get the funding, even if Pelosi is unhappy.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 26, 2019, 06:05:40 PM
   I've always advocated that this Forum needs an OFFICIAL NT/AT Elimination Thread, matches and gasoline, optional.

Kind of Alien verses Predator thing eh?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 26, 2019, 06:06:20 PM
I'm still on the side that says the President will find and get the funding, even if Pelosi is unhappy.  :laugh:

I hope you're right.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 26, 2019, 06:08:00 PM
He is doing a really good job of building one between himself and the people who would have voted for him in 2020.
Actually, Fred, that is being done by the same people who assured Conservatives they didn't need our support, nor want it. Now we catch shit for supporting one of Trumps initiatives that failed--something we, too, had been advocating for for some time.

We aren't the problem, our desire for the success (or failure) of some program is determined by what we think is best for the country, what conforms with the Constitution and Original Intent, not who proposes it.

The obstructionists are in Congress, the Republicans pretending to be Conservatives, people who have lied their way into office by lying to the voters, and who have no intention of anything but bid'ness as usual in DC.  The rest are Communists and fellow travelers/sympathizers flying the "Democrat" label, and those who are there for the money they can make screwing us all.

By their votes shall ye know them.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 06:08:49 PM
I'm still on the side that says the President will find and get the funding, even if Pelosi is unhappy.  :laugh:

I can honestly state that I'm rooting for that too. :th_10444:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 06:09:43 PM
Kind of Alien verses Predator thing eh?

...with the special effects of Godzilla vs. King Kong.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 26, 2019, 06:11:01 PM
   I've always advocated that this Forum needs an OFFICIAL NT/AT Elimination Thread, matches and gasoline, optional.
Meh. Why encourage what already is ridiculous?

Those to the right of Hillary, form a circle, face inward, load, ready, FIRE, aim...

Too typical GOP.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 26, 2019, 06:12:46 PM
...with the special effects of Godzilla vs. King Kong.

Ya, Godzilla vs. Bambi went flat too fast.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 06:14:48 PM
Ya, Godzilla vs. Bambi went flat too fast.

YA!    I saw that one.  Loved the little toenail flip from Godzilla at the end.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 26, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
   The logic against my idea was explained to me last year in a PM, the $hitstorm always spills out into the rest of the Forum and scares some Briefers into leaving, besides Myst would have to pay her Mods more than the minimum wage she's getting away with now.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 26, 2019, 06:22:30 PM
I'm still on the side that says the President will find and get the funding, even if Pelosi is unhappy.  :laugh:

I would only be happy if it made Pelosi unhappy.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 06:28:32 PM
Well, I don't know how you define "goalpost", but these structures are 20 feet high and 30 feet deep.   :laugh:



Well, I’d probably define the moving goalpost a few ways. Let’s start with cheering the president’s statement in December that he’d gladly take responsibility for a shutdown over border security. Then, once he refuses to sign a clean CR, overwhelmingly passed in the Senate, the shutdown is suddenly someone else’s fault.

Then, we had the SOTU standoff. When he was denied the venue, some here were certain he’d deliver it in the senate with Pelosi uninvited or hold a MAGA type event. When he capitulated on that issue, well, it wasn’t important to give the speech right now.

Next, I seem to recall you scoffed at a member’s suggestion the shutdown compromise should include DACA protection. When that was actually part of his address, it was suddenly obvious to you that was a reasonable offer, since ‘everyone knows’ we’re not kicking them out, anyway. You argued that wasn’t amnesty. When he tweeted amnesty would be discussed as part of a larger comprehensive deal, well, you rationalized it by saying someone had to clean up the mess.

Now, we’ve reached the point where he got zero money for the wall in the 3 week deal, most likely won’t by the 15th, and would have any declaration immediately challenged, bogged down in lawsuits, then slow walked. That effectively ends any shot at the issue being resolved between now and the 2020 campaign. So, here you are with your ’nyah, nyah’ video posts, trying to convince us he’s already gotten it, anyway.

The only thing that’s 20ft high and 30ft deep is the pile of BS you’ve been shoveling.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 06:35:14 PM


Well, I’d probably define the moving goalpost a few ways. Let’s start with cheering the president’s statement in December that he’d gladly take responsibility for a shutdown over border security. Then, once he refuses to sign a clean CR, overwhelmingly passed in the Senate, the shutdown is suddenly someone else’s fault.

Then, we had the SOTU standoff. When he was denied the venue, some here were certain he’d deliver it in the senate with Pelosi uninvited or hold a MAGA type event. When he capitulated on that issue, well, it wasn’t important to give the speech right now.

Next, I seem to recall you scoffed at a member’s suggestion the shutdown compromise should include DACA protection. When that was actually part of his address, it was suddenly obvious to you that was a reasonable offer, since ‘everyone knows’ we’re not kicking them out, anyway. You argued that wasn’t amnesty. When he tweeted amnesty would be discussed as part of a larger comprehensive deal, well, you rationalized it by saying someone had to clean up the mess.

Now, we’ve reached the point where he got zero money for the wall in the 3 week deal, most likely won’t by the 15th, and would have any declaration immediately challenged, bogged down in lawsuits, then slow walked. That effectively ends any shot at the issue being resolved between now and the 2020 campaign. So, here you are with your ’nyah, nyah’ video posts, trying to convince us he’s already gotten it, anyway.

The only thing that’s 20ft high and 30ft deep is the pile of BS you’ve been shoveling.

Actually.... that particular pile is infinite.... and growing daily!  It's like a black hole in reverse.   lololol

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 06:39:59 PM
Actually.... that particular pile is infinite.... and growing daily!  It's like a black hole in reverse.   lololol


She can have Gabe’s job at Trump National.


Gabriel Sedano, a former maintenance worker who had worked at the club since 2005, was fired and spoke to The Post.

"I told them they needed to consider us. I had worked almost 15 years for them in this club, and I'd given the best of myself to this job," Sedano said, according to the paper. "I'd never done anything wrong, only work and work."


https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/26/politics/trump-golf-course-undocumented-workers-government-shutdown/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/26/politics/trump-golf-course-undocumented-workers-government-shutdown/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Axeslinger on January 26, 2019, 06:40:50 PM


The only thing that’s 20ft high and 30ft deep is the pile of BS you’ve been shoveling.

RiV hasn’t had any intellectual honesty since day one, don’t know why you’d dare to expect it now.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 26, 2019, 06:47:15 PM

Well, I’d probably define the moving goalpost a few ways. Let’s start with cheering the president’s statement in December that he’d gladly take responsibility for a shutdown over border security. Then, once he refuses to sign a clean CR, overwhelmingly passed in the Senate, the shutdown is suddenly someone else’s fault.

Then, we had the SOTU standoff. When he was denied the venue, some here were certain he’d deliver it in the senate with Pelosi uninvited or hold a MAGA type event. When he capitulated on that issue, well, it wasn’t important to give the speech right now.

Next, I seem to recall you scoffed at a member’s suggestion the shutdown compromise should include DACA protection. When that was actually part of his address, it was suddenly obvious to you that was a reasonable offer, since ‘everyone knows’ we’re not kicking them out, anyway. You argued that wasn’t amnesty. When he tweeted amnesty would be discussed as part of a larger comprehensive deal, well, you rationalized it by saying someone had to clean up the mess.

Now, we’ve reached the point where he got zero money for the wall in the 3 week deal, most likely won’t by the 15th, and would have any declaration immediately challenged, bogged down in lawsuits, then slow walked. That effectively ends any shot at the issue being resolved between now and the 2020 campaign. So, here you are with your ’nyah, nyah’ video posts, trying to convince us he’s already gotten it, anyway.

The only thing that’s 20ft high and 30ft deep is the pile of BS you’ve been shoveling.

This took you some quality time to compose ... a complete waste of time, yet evidence that you must have gone back to your previous posts and realized how perilously close you'd come to agreeing with me on the construction of the wall.  I am lovin' this.  88devil

Enjoy your Saturday evening ..... hopefully with good food and even better friends.   :beer:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 26, 2019, 06:52:50 PM
This took you some quality time to compose ... a complete waste of time, yet evidence that you must have gone back to your previous posts and realized how perilously close you'd come to agreeing with me on the construction of the wall.  I am lovin' this.  88devil

Enjoy your Saturday evening ..... hopefully with good food and even better friends.   :beer:

That's odd...we must have read different posts.  I found that one enlightening, and was indeed the result of some painstaking research.  Do you have a rebuttal?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: XenaLee on January 26, 2019, 06:58:57 PM
That's odd...we must have read different posts.  I found that one enlightening, and was indeed the result of some painstaking research.  Do you have a rebuttal?

This.... was her rebuttal (courtesy of Lando Lincoln, thanks Lando)....

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/nvrmnd.gif)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 06:59:08 PM
That's odd...we must have read different posts.  I found that one enlightening, and was indeed the result of some painstaking research.  Do you have a rebuttal?


Actually, I didn’t take very long at all. Most of it has transpired over the past couple days.    :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 07:01:28 PM
Enjoy your Saturday evening ..... hopefully with good food and even better friends.   :beer:


I will, with man’s best friend, my retriever/spaniel mix. In your honor, we’ll have chicken and waffles.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 26, 2019, 07:12:45 PM

I will, with man’s best friend, my retriever/spaniel mix. In your honor, we’ll have chicken and waffles.

Chicken and waffles??  I've never had the combo.  Do you fix with some type of gravy?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 26, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
I can honestly state that I'm rooting for that too. :th_10444:

Yep, no one wanted him to fail, especially on this issue. Unfortunately I think the time for declaring a national emergency has come and gone. I think hat shipped sailed when he called in the media circus in the beginning and Nancy stated he wasn't going to win. 

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 26, 2019, 07:38:05 PM
Chicken and waffles??  I've never had the combo.  Do you fix with some type of gravy?  Just curious.


Comfort soul food. There are variations of it. Some use a breaded, fried chicken breast and make a sandwich. Locally, I get mine at Slim Chickens in KC.


https://slimchickens.com/introducing-new-chicken-waffles-now-available-slim-chickens/
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 26, 2019, 07:38:31 PM

I will, with man’s best friend, my retriever/spaniel mix. In your honor, we’ll have chicken and waffles.

LOL
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on January 26, 2019, 08:12:27 PM
Finally.  That is the point that I have been trying to make for weeks.

People need to understand HOW legislation gets to the floor for full vote, in both chambers.

On this issue (and more than a few others), there is no functional difference between Ryan and Pelosi.

Being friendly with the Freedom Caucus, nor any other group within the House with no real power, has zero impact on House leadership.

@EdJames

Perhaps you can get that through the thick skulls here.   I've totally failed in my efforts to do it!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 26, 2019, 08:42:17 PM
@EdJames

Perhaps you can get that through the thick skulls here.   I've totally failed in my efforts to do it!
No cloture, no bill, no bill, nothing happens. Gotta have the votes. Unfortunately, Democrats tend to vote en bloc, Republicans have their standard defectors.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on January 26, 2019, 08:52:55 PM
No cloture, no bill, no bill, nothing happens. Gotta have the votes. Unfortunately, Democrats tend to vote en bloc, Republicans have their standard defectors.

That, and the fact that the same K Street  bastards own all of them.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 26, 2019, 09:00:00 PM
That, and the fact that the same K Street  bastards own all of them.
My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on January 26, 2019, 09:09:42 PM
My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.

Agreed.  Which leads us to the need to be rid of the owners and compromisers. But it's too damned late now.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 26, 2019, 09:11:44 PM
My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.

The yes men.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 09:53:45 PM
So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously.
You look cool bad mouthing Reagan to uplift Trump.  Awesome.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
180 degree chess moves here. He is thinking way ahead of everyone else. You must move forward, not backward, downward, not upward, and always twirling, twirling towards your goal.


Miggy Jota @MikeJungman

ACTUALLY Trump is playing 8th dimensional Jenga, which you should NEVER play against a MASTER realtor like him.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 26, 2019, 10:05:58 PM
That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.

And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.

When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.

Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.

 :silly: 

Oh sh1t.
You're serious?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxOLOutX4AI6XTY.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mesaclone on January 26, 2019, 11:19:53 PM
:silly: 

Oh sh1t.
You're serious?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxOLOutX4AI6XTY.jpg)

If you think a list of months...in which Trump and many others were continually proclaiming the border situation to be an emergency...with words that say "wall not an emergency" is of some significant meaning....you really don't understand the topic.

WW2 wasn't an emergency for YEARS after September 3, 1939...despite the sinking of US shipping...until FDR decided it was and used his emergency powers to activate our industrial base and to ship equipment to Britain and Russia (well prior to Pearl Harbor). So you could make your little list for every month prior to FDR's emergency declaration and it would mean just what your little list above means...nothing. Its an innately specious argument...so I've no idea why you're making it.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: EdJames on January 27, 2019, 09:36:41 AM
@EdJames

Perhaps you can get that through the thick skulls here.   I've totally failed in my efforts to do it!

It seems that I have failed as well.  I doubt that I will keep trying in earnest.

Facing those facts and the cold realities takes away the ability to "blame Trump" and offer up all sorts of innuendo and daft theories about his motivations from 2015 forward.  But it isn't just limited to those hair on fire kooks, it is very difficult for many to come to grasp with the fact that "GOP" is meaningless as far as being a set of reliable representatives for the needs and desires of the people that vote them into office.

Heck I've been pretty much on to this game for decades now, but I still find myself feeling a bit of shock and surprise (although it is minor at this point in time) when I see/hear "GOP" elected officials failing to do/say what they are supposed to be doing/saying because they are "GOP."  Most of us had been brainwashed with these expectations since (at least) young adulthood....  hard to completely shake it off.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 27, 2019, 09:54:57 AM
so I've no idea why you're making it.
Shocking. :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 27, 2019, 10:16:01 AM
It seems that I have failed as well.  I doubt that I will keep trying in earnest.

Facing those facts and the cold realities takes away the ability to "blame Trump" and offer up all sorts of innuendo and daft theories about his motivations from 2015 forward.  But it isn't just limited to those hair on fire kooks, it is very difficult for many to come to grasp with the fact that "GOP" is meaningless as far as being a set of reliable representatives for the needs and desires of the people that vote them into office.

Heck I've been pretty much on to this game for decades now, but I still find myself feeling a bit of shock and surprise (although it is minor at this point in time) when I see/hear "GOP" elected officials failing to do/say what they are supposed to be doing/saying because they are "GOP."  Most of us had been brainwashed with these expectations since (at least) young adulthood....  hard to completely shake it off.

You do know that it is possible to accurately assess Trump's failure and faulty personality (being nice about it), and still despise the GOP and how they have abandoned every principle, don't you?

Your hostile (and absurd) description of people who don't share your positive views of the President (again, putting it mildly) doesn't speak well for your rationality, Ed.

The truth is that the present GOP is Trump's GOP.  And Trump himself is the face of that same GOP.  That's why those of us who hated the gutlessness of the Republican party (and still do), see Trump as same old, same old.

Wishful thinking, hoping for change doesn't translate into reality.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 27, 2019, 10:36:18 AM
If you think a list of months...in which Trump and many others were continually proclaiming the border situation to be an emergency...with words that say "wall not an emergency" is of some significant meaning....you really don't understand the topic.

WW2 wasn't an emergency for YEARS after September 3, 1939...despite the sinking of US shipping...until FDR decided it was and used his emergency powers to activate our industrial base and to ship equipment to Britain and Russia (well prior to Pearl Harbor). So you could make your little list for every month prior to FDR's emergency declaration and it would mean just what your little list above means...nothing. Its an innately specious argument...so I've no idea why you're making it.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: EdJames on January 27, 2019, 10:49:11 AM
You do know that it is possible to accurately assess Trump's failure and faulty personality (being nice about it), and still despise the GOP and how they have abandoned every principle, don't you?

Your hostile (and absurd) description of people who don't share your positive views of the President (again, putting it mildly) doesn't speak well for your rationality, Ed.

The truth is that the present GOP is Trump's GOP.  And Trump himself is the face of that same GOP.  That's why those of us who hated the gutlessness of the Republican party (and still do), see Trump as same old, same old.

Wishful thinking, hoping for change doesn't translate into reality.

I must say, I haven't seen a more orthogonal post response in quite some time!

I think that these guys have a bead on your problem:


(https://i.imgflip.com/2s5r6g.jpg) (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/i/2s5r6g)via Imgflip Meme Generator (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/memegenerator)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 27, 2019, 01:31:17 PM
Well @EdJames  - that was a bizarre and emotionally charged response to a rational argument coming from me.

Kudos.  *****rollingeyes*****


Actually, the Republican Party has been pulling away from me for a number of years and I have identified less and less with it over those years.

It was just that, in May, 2016 it officially declared that it wanted no part of Conservatism.......... no vestige was left........ and that people who wanted Conservative principles were no longer welcome in the Trump GOP.  The GOP embraced him, and rejected conservatism in its entirety.

I'm glad you are so enamored with Trump, but he's just the same as the GOP has been for years. Unprincipled, liberal, globalist, and weak.

But I'm glad he makes you happy. 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 27, 2019, 01:54:55 PM
Well @EdJames  - that was a bizarre and emotionally charged response to a rational argument coming from me. 

Actually @EdJames your response was anything but bizarre and emotionally charged.  It was reasoned, clever and quite good.   happy77
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 27, 2019, 02:24:55 PM
Actually @EdJames your response was anything but bizarre and emotionally charged.  It was reasoned, clever and quite good.   happy77

And false.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 27, 2019, 02:32:11 PM
You do know that it is possible to accurately assess Trump's failure and faulty personality (being nice about it), and still despise the GOP and how they have abandoned every principle, don't you?

 

@musiclady

"Possible to despise the GOP"?????

It is MANDATORY for anyone that wants to see America survive as a free country.

The GOP of today is about as useful as Confederate Money. Maybe not even that useful,as Confederate money has historical value and the GOP of today is only useful as national pimps for international bankers. I actually have more respect for the Dims because they pretty much openly embrace internationalism/communism/globalism/fascism,or any related "ism" you can name. To give them the credit (?) they deserve,the rank and file Dims and even some of the leadership are so freaking stupid they still think communism is the wave of the future. NOBODY is going to be more shocked to wake up in the labor camps than they are. Even then,most have never had a job and will only be useful as fertilizer.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 27, 2019, 02:32:41 PM
And false.

That apparently doesn't matter if your goal is to be mean and confrontational rather than accurate.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 27, 2019, 02:36:15 PM
Mean.   :silly:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Axeslinger on January 27, 2019, 02:41:36 PM
@musiclady

"Possible to despise the GOP"?????

It is MANDATORY for anyone that wants to see America survive as a free country.

The GOP of today is about as useful as Confederate Money. Maybe not even that useful,as Confederate money has historical value and the GOP of today is only useful as national pimps for international bankers. I actually have more respect for the Dims because they pretty much openly embrace internationalism/communism/globalism/fascism,or any related "ism" you can name. To give them the credit (?) they deserve,the rank and file Dims and even some of the leadership are so freaking stupid they still think communism is the wave of the future. NOBODY is going to be more shocked to wake up in the labor camps than they are. Even then,most have never had a job and will only be useful as fertilizer.

@sneakypete I think you’d find we agree a million times more than we disagree
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 27, 2019, 02:51:58 PM
And false.

We have one of those honest differences of opinion.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 27, 2019, 02:59:30 PM
Mean.   :silly:

Wrong word choice?   happy77
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 27, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
@sneakypete I think you’d find we agree a million times more than we disagree

The problem with supporting Trump and dissing the GOP is that Trump IS the GOP, and the GOP IS Trump.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 27, 2019, 03:02:54 PM
The problem with supporting Trump and dissing the GOP is that Trump IS the GOP, and the GOP IS Trump.


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on January 27, 2019, 03:02:58 PM
It seems that I have failed as well.  I doubt that I will keep trying in earnest.

Facing those facts and the cold realities takes away the ability to "blame Trump" and offer up all sorts of innuendo and daft theories about his motivations from 2015 forward.  But it isn't just limited to those hair on fire kooks, it is very difficult for many to come to grasp with the fact that "GOP" is meaningless as far as being a set of reliable representatives for the needs and desires of the people that vote them into office.

Heck I've been pretty much on to this game for decades now, but I still find myself feeling a bit of shock and surprise (although it is minor at this point in time) when I see/hear "GOP" elected officials failing to do/say what they are supposed to be doing/saying because they are "GOP."  Most of us had been brainwashed with these expectations since (at least) young adulthood....  hard to completely shake it off.

@EdJames

I've posted my story here before and believe you to have read it so I'm not going to redo that.  Suffice it to say that forty years+ of labor in the Republican vineyard have only succeeded in making me old, tired, and bitter.   I'm done!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 27, 2019, 03:16:10 PM
The problem with supporting Trump and dissing the GOP is that Trump IS the GOP, and the GOP IS Trump.

@musiclady

As usual,you have it backwards. Trump,the candidate,was an ALTERNATIVE to the GOP insiders that we KNEW would just keep on keeping on with the destruction of America.

Trump,as a rich man that didn't need them or their bribe money and was running to pump up his ego,was the ONLY actual hope for the pendulum to start swinging back to an American government that put America First,because the only reason he ran for president was to feed his massive ego that tells him daily that he is better than anyone else.  He couldn't be bought and they couldn't even blackmail the professional pols because at one time or another he had paid them to do something or another for one of his corporations,so he had the dirt on them that pretty much made him bulletproof. All they could come up with is their paid whores from the entertainment industry,and most people laughed that off.

There is still a CHANCE that my hopes for him will come true and he will man-the-bleep UP and start building the wall using other money and the Army Corps of Engineers,but I lost a lot of faith in him when he allowed Pelosi and Schulmer to win the most recent contest of wills.  There is a possibility there are things in the works that neither I nor anyone else know about yet to make all this happen,and nothing will please me more than to admit I was wrong to lose faith in him,but at this point I am not betting money on it.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 27, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
@EdJames

I've posted my story here before and believe you to have read it so I'm not going to redo that.  Suffice it to say that forty years+ of labor in the Republican vineyard have only succeeded in making me old, tired, and bitter.   I'm done!

@Bigun  @EdJames

The sad good news to tell you is that there are a lot of us in this same boat,and it's starting to get crowded.

As things stand right now,I have no intention of voting for ANY GOP candidate in 2018 or beyond. It's past time to pull the plug on a party of traitors. If I want to vote for a traitor,all I have to do is vote for the Dim candidate,so what does the GOP have to offer me but lies? At least the Dims are truthful about being traitors to America.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 27, 2019, 04:18:56 PM
Seriously, austingirl............ you believe that people who post negative things on forums such as this one are A.  Responsible for Trump's failure or B.  Happy that our national security is still at great risk because he's failed here??

SERIOUSLY???  :shrug:

@musiclady it's the only way they can justify supporting him after he's let them down so often.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 27, 2019, 04:26:26 PM
That's OK.  Your feelings for Trump are more than silly.

It's the President's job to convince the Congress to enact his policies.  He said he could do it.  He couldn't do it.

That's pretty much all there is to it.

@musiclady it's also his job to rally the people behind what he's trying to do.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 27, 2019, 04:51:59 PM
@musiclady it's also his job to rally the people behind what he's trying to do.


Seems like he’s had three strikes on this issue, demonstrating weakness. First, he capitulated on the zero tolerance policy, last summer. Then, he made a big show of military deployments to the border, just before the midterms, but still lost the House. Now, he’s accepted a deal he could have had before Christmas.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on January 27, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
@musiclady it's also his job to rally the people behind what he's trying to do.

And isn't that why so many people said they supported him??  Because he could rally people behind him?  Because he was so skilled at negotiation?  Because he was so gifted at getting things done??

I think you were right in your previous post, @txradioguy .  They lash out at others as a diversion from the fact that he is disappointing them day in and day out. 

But I still think the absurdity of blaming people who didn't fall for his schtick for being the ones who are keeping him from being able to get the job done is beyond laughable.

I will not take responsibility for his failures simply because I was one of those who didn't trust that he could (or even wanted to) succeed.  That he was what he is proving to be...... a charlatan.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 27, 2019, 04:59:25 PM
   This is still my Favorite Picture of him.

(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/gettyimages-6569612361.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Actually, it was two years of near total Never-Trump GOP control of the government. 

Liking where it got us?


The people who are part of the problem...never see themselves!  I support our America & PRESIDENT TRUMP!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 27, 2019, 05:46:54 PM

The people who are part of the problem...never see themselves! 

Absolutely.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: roamer_1 on January 27, 2019, 05:49:49 PM
@EdJames

I've posted my story here before and believe you to have read it so I'm not going to redo that.  Suffice it to say that forty years+ of labor in the Republican vineyard have only succeeded in making me old, tired, and bitter.   I'm done!

BUMP THAT.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 27, 2019, 05:50:26 PM
   The people that continue to do the same thing over and over, expecting different results and refuse to be part of the Solution, those are the Problem Childs, IMHO.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: roamer_1 on January 27, 2019, 05:53:54 PM

The people who are part of the problem...never see themselves!  I support our America & PRESIDENT TRUMP!

I support Principled Conservatism, and America, to the extent that she will provide it, and thereby defend Liberty.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 05:54:01 PM
  Yeah everybody...throw in the towel..that will teach them.  GIVE UP.  You ARE voting for communism then.  Good luck with that.

Take your ball and go home, the ILLEGALS will vote for you. How about SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT?

 THE ONLY ONE FIGHTING FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE.  Your feelings are so much more important.  smh.

GET IN...SOME GOOD GOP! 

This is a process now, with president TRUMP. 
   
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: roamer_1 on January 27, 2019, 05:56:16 PM
  Yeah everybody...throw in the towel..that will teach them.  GIVE UP.  You ARE voting for communism then.  Good luck with that.

Take your ball and go home, the ILLEGALS will vote for you. How about SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT?

 THE ONLY ONE FIGHTING FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE.  Your feelings are so much more important.  smh.

GET IN...SOME GOOD GOP! 

This is a process now, with president TRUMP. 
 

Call me when you are willing to defend Principled Conservatism. Till then, we have nothing in common, @LegalAmerican
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 27, 2019, 05:57:45 PM
    Glory Be, I remember when the 'Process' started @LegalAmerican

(http://www.republicbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/20161221/649491_Trump-Escalator-002-B.gif)

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 27, 2019, 05:58:40 PM
  Yeah everybody...throw in the towel..that will teach them.  GIVE UP.  You ARE voting for communism then.  Good luck with that.

Take your ball and go home, the ILLEGALS will vote for you. How about SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT?

 THE ONLY ONE FIGHTING FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE.  Your feelings are so much more important.  smh.

GET IN...SOME GOOD GOP! 

This is a process now, with president TRUMP. 
 

Clearly our only choice is capitulation and failure.  #MAGA
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 06:06:05 PM
    Glory Be, I remember when the 'Process' started @LegalAmerican

Trump's first de-escalation?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 06:08:22 PM
It looks so easy even a caveman can do it, @corbe
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: EdJames on January 27, 2019, 06:08:25 PM
@EdJames

I've posted my story here before and believe you to have read it so I'm not going to redo that.  Suffice it to say that forty years+ of labor in the Republican vineyard have only succeeded in making me old, tired, and bitter.   I'm done!

My story is very similar and has led to the same place.  I've gone from donor, staffer, worker, member, supporter to casual observer at this point.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: EdJames on January 27, 2019, 06:12:08 PM
@musiclady

As usual,you have it backwards. Trump,the candidate,was an ALTERNATIVE to the GOP insiders that we KNEW would just keep on keeping on with the destruction of America.

Trump,as a rich man that didn't need them or their bribe money and was running to pump up his ego,was the ONLY actual hope for the pendulum to start swinging back to an American government that put America First,because the only reason he ran for president was to feed his massive ego that tells him daily that he is better than anyone else.  He couldn't be bought and they couldn't even blackmail the professional pols because at one time or another he had paid them to do something or another for one of his corporations,so he had the dirt on them that pretty much made him bulletproof. All they could come up with is their paid whores from the entertainment industry,and most people laughed that off.

There is still a CHANCE that my hopes for him will come true and he will man-the-bleep UP and start building the wall using other money and the Army Corps of Engineers,but I lost a lot of faith in him when he allowed Pelosi and Schulmer to win the most recent contest of wills.  There is a possibility there are things in the works that neither I nor anyone else know about yet to make all this happen,and nothing will please me more than to admit I was wrong to lose faith in him,but at this point I am not betting money on it.

Baseball games don't end in the 5th inning.

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHFRZSFWST0#)


I believe that this was posted here sometime yesterday.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: EdJames on January 27, 2019, 06:14:10 PM
@Bigun  @EdJames

The sad good news to tell you is that there are a lot of us in this same boat,and it's starting to get crowded.

As things stand right now,I have no intention of voting for ANY GOP candidate in 2018 or beyond. It's past time to pull the plug on a party of traitors. If I want to vote for a traitor,all I have to do is vote for the Dim candidate,so what does the GOP have to offer me but lies? At least the Dims are truthful about being traitors to America.

The boat is getting very full, for many good reasons.

When more folks wake up and realize that "GOP" has been meaningless as a party for many decades, the boat will get even more crowded.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 27, 2019, 06:23:05 PM
It looks so easy even a caveman can do it, @corbe
(https://i.prcdn.co/img?regionKey=ju2WN9VvfD%2FpIXUL3waupQ%3D%3D&scale=100)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: kevindavis on January 27, 2019, 06:57:14 PM
It seems that a lot Trump supporters here is playing the blame game. So much for the Buck stops here..


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-N0KVt0qe8-k/UiIvfRtxZhI/AAAAAAAAAWY/Xp7y0QF2Sro/s1600/the-blame-game.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 27, 2019, 07:04:05 PM
It seems that a lot Trump supporters here is playing the blame game. So much for the Buck stops here..


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-N0KVt0qe8-k/UiIvfRtxZhI/AAAAAAAAAWY/Xp7y0QF2Sro/s1600/the-blame-game.jpg)

Actually both side try playing the blame game all the time and their supporters buy into it every single time.  Meanwhile, the American people and our country suffer.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on January 27, 2019, 07:09:46 PM
Rewrite? More like a simple statement of what occurred.

And let's add, the President is not done fighting for the wall and other conservative priorities...and the NT/RINO's are still working with Dems to thwart him. But as a great man once said, we shall overcome...and the President WILL get his wall.

@Mesaclone

A wall would be a great, but it's not going to happen.

Your last sentence proves where you're coming from on this--"the president WILL get "his" wall."  It's all about defending a politician you're far too invested in, always making sure he's blameless.  If a wall were built, it would be our wall, not his.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: dfwgator on January 27, 2019, 07:27:02 PM
@Mesaclone

A wall would be a great, but it's not going to happen.

Your last sentence proves where you're coming from on this--"the president WILL get "his" wall."  It's all about defending a politician you're far too invested in, always making sure he's blameless.  If a wall were built, it would be our wall, not his.

The way I see it, a Wall is the only tangible thing that is permanent.  You can promise the moon as far as no amnesty,  no DACA , ending Anchor Babies, etc.   But all it takes is one election, and that can all be undone.   Once a wall is up, it's there for good.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 27, 2019, 07:32:29 PM
Once a wall is up, it's there for good.


Berlin, Jericho.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on January 27, 2019, 07:50:22 PM
The way I see it, a Wall is the only tangible thing that is permanent.  You can promise the moon as far as no amnesty,  no DACA , ending Anchor Babies, etc.   But all it takes is one election, and that can all be undone.   Once a wall is up, it's there for good.

@dfwgator

I agree.  The problem is, the clock is running out on Trump's first administration.  Assuming he gets re-elected, and I don't know if that's a sure thing, it's going to take, what, a decade to build?  Trump will be gone and any construction will be stopped after that.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: dfwgator on January 27, 2019, 07:55:09 PM
@dfwgator

I agree.  The problem is, the clock is running out on Trump's first administration.  Assuming he gets re-elected, and I don't know if that's a sure thing, it's going to take, what, a decade to build?  Trump will be gone and any construction will be stopped after that.

Trump was a "Hail Mary Pass" all along, it was really the only chance we had.  Nobody would have put their neck out for the Wall like Trump has.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 27, 2019, 07:57:51 PM

The people who are part of the problem...never see themselves! 

Complete and total lack of self awareness in that post.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 27, 2019, 08:00:40 PM
Nobody would have put their neck out for the Wall like Trump has.


Don’t kid yourself. He’s only doing this, because it’s imperative. He laughed off the ‘lock her up’ chants, after the election, as good campaign talk. Unlike the wall, no backlash occurred over it. He knows the wall is the difference between re-election and an indictment from SDNY in January 2021.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 27, 2019, 08:07:44 PM
@dfwgator

I agree.  The problem is, the clock is running out on Trump's first administration.  Assuming he gets re-elected, and I don't know if that's a sure thing, it's going to take, what, a decade to build?  Trump will be gone and any construction will be stopped after that.

I don't think anyone should assume anything about Trump anymore.  He's backpedaled on so many issues it's ridiculous.  He got his royal behind spanked by a senile ole bitty.  That's got to sting. His ego has to be totally crushed.  I don't see him running again as I don't think he's going to chance another defeat, embarrassment and humiliation.

I can't believe he expects that people are buying into this b.s. 

If it wasn't a concession then what the heck was it?  On top of that Pelosi just announced that he still won't be giving the SOTU from the House.  He backed down and this is what it got him.  Absolutely nothing.  Not a darn thing.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 27, 2019, 08:10:03 PM
Trump was a "Hail Mary Pass" all along, it was really the only chance we had.  Nobody would have put their neck out for the Wall like Trump has.

He had no choice at this point did he?  He'd already backtracked on three other promises he'd made that were the cornerstone to getting him elected.  He was already on audio telling the Mexican President at the time that having Mexico pay for the wall was a "gimmick" to get the crowd fired up.

If he even had a chance in hell of winning in 2020 he had no choice but to do what did for 35 days.  Only he should have gone on longer with it instead of blinking.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 27, 2019, 08:11:07 PM
Trump was a "Hail Mary Pass" all along, it was really the only chance we had.  Nobody would have put their neck out for the Wall like Trump has.

Trump indicated to both parties he was going to sign the CR before he decided not to due the blow back he got. That wasn't the sign of a man determined to stand firm for funding. He had already folded on it. It was only after the optics looked bad did he take a different tact. And if he was going to take that tact he had to stand firm, period. Pelosi and crew correctly evaluated Trump would fold based on his previous folding before the blow back. If you're going to play poker you have to force you're opponent to show their cards when it matters. He folded before that and now Pelosi owns him when push comes to shove.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: dfwgator on January 27, 2019, 08:11:34 PM
He had no choice at this point did he?  He'd already backtracked on three other promises he'd made that were the cornerstone to getting him elected.  He was already on audio telling the Mexican President at the time that having Mexico pay for the wall was a "gimmick" to get the crowd fired up.

If he even had a chance in hell of winning in 2020 he had no choice but to do what did for 35 days.  Only he should have gone on longer with it instead of blinking.

The fear I have now is that the Rats' strategy for going after Trump is to simply attack his record as a "deal-maker".   And they have no intention of giving him any more wins.   Especially when RBG hits room temperature.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 27, 2019, 08:13:53 PM

Berlin, Jericho.

You're too good at this.  I almost never get a chance to post in time.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 27, 2019, 08:13:57 PM
The fear I have now is that the Rats' strategy for going after Trump is to simply attack his record as a "deal-maker".   And they have no intention of giving him any more wins.   Especially when RBG hits room temperature.

Nope.  Nancy will go in for the kill no t that there's blood in the water.  And you can bet the campaign ads for 202 are already being made slamming just what you mentioned.

IF Nancy allows the SOTU to happen this year...we'll know for sure whether or not RBG has already assumed room temp.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: dfwgator on January 27, 2019, 08:17:38 PM
Nope.  Nancy will go in for the kill no t that there's blood in the water.  And you can bet the campaign ads for 202 are already being made slamming just what you mentioned.

IF Nancy allows the SOTU to happen this year...we'll know for sure whether or not RBG has already assumed room temp.

Yep, it doesn't matter what the liberals think about Trump, they don't vote for any Republican anyway.   But those ads will deflate the base, and then Trump will be well-cooked. 

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
@Mesaclone

A wall would be a great, but it's not going to happen.

Your last sentence proves where you're coming from on this--"the president WILL get "his" wall."  It's all about defending a politician you're far too invested in, always making sure he's blameless.  If a wall were built, it would be our wall, not his.

https://youtu.be/M25eylpFcFg (https://youtu.be/M25eylpFcFg)

http://youtu.be/M25eylpFcFg (http://youtu.be/M25eylpFcFg)


Courtesy of RIGHT IN VIRGINIA.   PART ONE;  THE WALL NOT COMPLETE

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M25eylpFcFg&feature=youtu.be#)



PART TWO;  SENSORS AT BOTTOM, NOT COMPLETE..still building .....more to come...

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xs1P1olxR4&t=5s#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Axeslinger on January 27, 2019, 08:27:49 PM
  Yeah everybody...throw in the towel..that will teach them.  GIVE UP.  You ARE voting for communism then.  Good luck with that.

Take your ball and go home, the ILLEGALS will vote for you. How about SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT?

 THE ONLY ONE FIGHTING FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE.  Your feelings are so much more important.  smh.

GET IN...SOME GOOD GOP! 

This is a process now, with president TRUMP. 
 

One question @LegalAmerican :

If we vote for communism, does that mean you’ll leave? 888bravo :tongue2:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 27, 2019, 08:30:55 PM
Yep, it doesn't matter what the liberals think about Trump, they don't vote for any Republican anyway.   But those ads will deflate the base, and then Trump will be well-cooked.

Honestly...at this point...if Trump wants to win...he needs to listen to more than himself for advice...and admit that he's not the smartest guy in the room.  Surround himself with some smart people for the next campaign and legitimately reach out to all Republicans...even the Conservatives that he said he didn't need the last time around.

He needs to give Republicans a reason to get out off the couch and vote for him as opposed to the whole herd of Libs that are lining up to run against him.  He ran against a flawed and completely unelectable opponent in 2016...that won't be the case this time.  And he needs to mend some fences within the GOP that he burned down in the three years since he became a candidate and then the President.

It just depends on whether his New York sized ego will let him do that.  Because I don't like the alternatives that are lining up on the left.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 08:43:56 PM
He had no choice at this point did he?  He'd already backtracked on three other promises he'd made that were the cornerstone to getting him elected.  He was already on audio telling the Mexican President at the time that having Mexico pay for the wall was a "gimmick" to get the crowd fired up.

If he even had a chance in hell of winning in 2020 he had no choice but to do what did for 35 days.  Only he should have gone on longer with it instead of blinking.



No , he did not back track!  You like many others were waiting for a physical check from Mexico?  It was aways the plan, to be done by tariffs.  US-MCA trade deal, and the first year, the wall pays for itself.  So, he is working on this last issue, and came through on 99%. of the other promises & more, you are going to throw him under the bus?  Pray tell who is PERFECT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT?  More professional politicians, who get nothing done for us their whole lives in office?  THOSE?  Do you want a dictator?  That is what you are expecting him to be, while slapping him around daily.

Like the men who batter women, can't understand why she keeps doing "wrong" and will beat her up over & over, and thinks THAT will shape her up!  He beats the crap out of her, why won't she learn?  Except, he sets up impossible standards for her to meet.  Like dinner was too cold, yet, HE CAME 2 hours late to dinner! Then, dinner was TOO HOT..for him, so he has to beat her up some more. She just 'won't learn."   

All his other achievements, that came to fruition & more..mean NOTHING NOW?  All because of the wall?  The wall I was promised in 1986 under Reagan & DEMON-RATS, who then DEMON-RATS reneged after amnesty.  Mad at demon-rats?   NO. MAD AT RINO'S..NO.  Lets beat up the only man who is working 100 hour weeks for NO PAY, for love of America. 
THAT MAN!   None of you have gone to my link.  Media won't tell you.  www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com)

It is mind boggling to me.  Ok, I addressed one of your so called 'back tranks".  List the other TWO.....real ones, not LEFT MEDIA LIES...as I will know that right away.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 27, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
Yes, during the campaign, Trump released a memo, detailing how Mexico could make a one time, lump sum payment. Also, the new trade deal isn’t in effect until the Senate votes on it. Finally, the tariffs collected are and end use tax on the purchaser. In other words, Americans pay them.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 08:50:19 PM

Berlin, Jericho.

-1

Context.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 08:54:30 PM
@dfwgator

I agree.  The problem is, the clock is running out on Trump's first administration.  Assuming he gets re-elected, and I don't know if that's a sure thing, it's going to take, what, a decade to build?  Trump will be gone and any construction will be stopped after that.


President TRUMP..needs to be re-elected...unless you all want to live in socialism?  No, the wall is being built right now. President TRUMP wants the money, to get more of a head start. If he can receive all the money, in ONE YEARS TIME. 

THAT IS THE ISSUE...MONEY TO KEEP THE WALL BEING BUIILT....TILL DONE.  ANOTHER ILLEGAL CARAVAN COMING UP.

Blame the RINO'S , ROMNEY, AND DEMON-RATS,,who make his, NO PAY JOB, EVEN HARDER.  11513

My mom told me a story, that in Europe on the farm, when two horses were pulling a load, they used to beat the HARDEST WORKING horse and not the lazy one, to work harder, as they knew, the lazy one would not perform anyway!  Some times they killed the horse, that was the REAL WORKER!  I thought, that did not make sense, as a child.  Here we are again.

BUT KEEP BEATING UP PRESIDENT.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on January 27, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
I don't think anyone should assume anything about Trump anymore.  He's backpedaled on so many issues it's ridiculous.  He got his royal behind spanked by a senile ole bitty.  That's got to sting. His ego has to be totally crushed.  I don't see him running again as I don't think he's going to chance another defeat, embarrassment and humiliation.

I can't believe he expects that people are buying into this b.s. 

If it wasn't a concession then what the heck was it?  On top of that Pelosi just announced that he still won't be giving the SOTU from the House.  He backed down and this is what it got him.  Absolutely nothing.  Not a darn thing.

@libertybele

Imo it comes down to the fact that Trump wasn't born the day he rode down that escalator.  I think he came up with the wall thing to please his supporters and got caught in a trap of his own making. 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on January 27, 2019, 08:57:39 PM

President TRUMP..needs to be re-elected...unless you all want to live in socialism?  No, the wall is being built right now. President TRUMP wants the money, to get more of a head start. If he can receive all the money, in ONE YEARS TIME. 

THAT IS THE ISSUE...MONEY TO KEEP THE WALL BEING BUIILT....TILL DONE.  ANOTHER ILLEGAL CARAVAN COMING UP.

Blame the RINO'S , ROMNEY, AND DEMON-RATS,,who make his, NO PAY JOB, EVEN HARDER.  11513

My mom told me a story, that in Europe on the farm, when two horses were pulling a load, they used to beat the HARDEST WORKING horse and not the lazy one, to work harder, as they knew, the lazy one would not perform anyway!  Some times they killed the horse, that was the REAL WORKER!  I thought, that did not make sense, as a child.  Here we are again.

BUT KEEP BEATING UP PRESIDENT.  *****rollingeyes*****

@LegalAmerican

This is America.  We beat up presidents and politicians because we can.  It's healthier than idolizing them.

What happened to the first caravan?  (Sincere question).
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: roamer_1 on January 27, 2019, 08:58:24 PM

President TRUMP..needs to be re-elected...unless you all want to live in socialism? 

Nah... Howabout NEITHER.

Quote
No, the wall is being built right now.

No it's not - It's being REPAIRED right now... With money allocated from before Tumpy the Clown began his presidency.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 09:02:57 PM
@Mesaclone

A wall would be a great, but it's not going to happen.

Your last sentence proves where you're coming from on this--"the president WILL get "his" wall."  It's all about defending a politician you're far too invested in, always making sure he's blameless.  If a wall were built, it would be our wall, not his.



Courtesy of RIGHT IN VIRGIA

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xs1P1olxR4&t=5s#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 27, 2019, 09:06:58 PM
@libertybele

Imo it comes down to the fact that Trump wasn't born the day he rode down that escalator.  I think he came up with the wall thing to please his supporters and got caught in a trap of his own making.

He was throwing stuff out and that one struck gold. He was smart enough to recognize it and expanded on it beyond reality - make Mexico pay for it - which wasn't even necessary. Just art of the deal hyperbole.

The wall is likely why he's president today.

And just 4 years earlier he was saying Mitt Romney of all people was "mean-spirited" for campaigning on getting illegals to self deport. And yet people took him seriously 4 years later.

In addition on this government funding go around he already told both parties he was going to sign the CR to keep government open without funding for the wall. He had already folded on the wall. But when all the blow back came about not demanding funding is when he changed his mind about signing the CR. He had no plan and hadn't worked with his party to organize a united front. He just refused to sign what he said he was going to sign the day before due to bad optics. That wasn't a man ready to stand firm or a man with a plan. To expect anything other than wreckage from him is magical thinking.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 09:08:03 PM
Quote from: libertybele on Today at 08:07:44 PM

I don't think anyone should assume anything about Trump anymore.  He's backpedaled on so many issues it's ridiculous.  He got his royal behind spanked by a senile ole bitty.  That's got to sting. His ego has to be totally crushed.  I don't see him running again as I don't think he's going to chance another defeat, embarrassment and humiliation.

I can't believe he expects that people are buying into this b.s. 

If it wasn't a concession then what the heck was it?  On top of that Pelosi just announced that he still won't be giving the SOTU from the House.  He backed down and this is what it got him.  Absolutely nothing.  Not a darn thing.


-----------------------------------------------------------
OK...give me a list of all the back pedals.....You are pissed at him and NOT PELOSI??????  The Communist Pelosi ?  No wonder America is in trouble, you people don't know who to support & think bashing , WRONGFULLY , the president is sport? 

What did DEMON-RATS GET? LIST WHAT THEY GOT.

  Federal workers, are receiving some back pay, and can live, better now, if DEMON-RATS LIED AGAIN about not negotiating, unless the shut down was over...LET'S SEE WHAT THEY DO.  President TRUMP is taking their bluff, that they will negotiate.  I doubt it..so next is National emergency.  PLAN AHEAD.

BTW.  I don't 'need" the state of the union address.  Does anyone NOT KNOW our STATE we are in? 

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-HMgcIminw#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
@LegalAmerican

This is America.  We beat up presidents and politicians because we can.  It's healthier than idolizing them.

What happened to the first caravan?  (Sincere question).

They fell out of the news cycle and slid off the road into the weeds.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 27, 2019, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: libertybele on Today at 08:07:44 PM

I don't think anyone should assume anything about Trump anymore.  He's backpedaled on so many issues it's ridiculous.  He got his royal behind spanked by a senile ole bitty.  That's got to sting. His ego has to be totally crushed.  I don't see him running again as I don't think he's going to chance another defeat, embarrassment and humiliation.

I can't believe he expects that people are buying into this b.s. 

If it wasn't a concession then what the heck was it?  On top of that Pelosi just announced that he still won't be giving the SOTU from the House.  He backed down and this is what it got him.  Absolutely nothing.  Not a darn thing.



OK...give me a list of all the back pedals.....You are pissed at him and NOT PELOSI??????  The Communist Pelosi ?  No wonder America is in trouble, you people don't know who to support & think bashing , WRONGFULLY , the president is sport?

Lock her up, drain the swamp, repeal Obamacare are good starts... There is no wall and it is much more likely there won't be one anytime during his term now.

You can get a good laugh at this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/us/politics/trump-trans-pacific-partnership.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/us/politics/trump-trans-pacific-partnership.html)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 09:23:28 PM
@LegalAmerican

This is America.  We beat up presidents and politicians because we can.  It's healthier than idolizing them.

What happened to the first caravan?  (Sincere question).

Not, Idolizing anyone. I don't watch movies. I see results and sincerity, as do some others. I've been through many presidents. I know a worker when I see one.  BTW. I know what happened to the OTHER caravans...why don't you?

There are YouTube on that. President TRUMP stopped most of them.  Military, barbed wire.  WHY DON'T YOU KNOW?
Some went back home, some stayed in Tiajuna  sp? Some got through our borders.  Most did not want ASYLUM IN MEXICO even that it was offered by Mexico.  So, that was not the issue. Our laws are so bad, they HELP ILLEGALS...better then American citizens!

BTW. Mexico is building a new wall too, on their side.  www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com)   Try my link.  SINCERELY.

Would you say Judge Pirro is smart?  And she is a senior too. About 60 years old. Maturity & experience.

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-HMgcIminw#)



Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 27, 2019, 09:37:59 PM
@musiclady it's also his job to rally the people behind what he's trying to do.
I think the people are behind it. The media deny us a voice. Whole web pages and youtube channels are shut down, Comments are edited, letter to the editor go into the circular file. Polls are carefully worded and sampled to give the desired result, not even a cross section of society.

As for Congress, it has been a long time since our 'representatives' in Washington D.C. have represented us.  They toss a few bones and scraps from the high table and point to those in election years, but for the most part, they couldn't care less what we think.

If they are from a GOP heavy district, they bank on voters having no other choice, and the Dems do the same in Dem heavy districts, but the Party is happening on Capitol Hill and K Street, and on junkets wherever dubbed 'factfinding missions' and such, at our expense.  At least in the blowback over POTUS shutting down Pelosi's trip, the 93% add on entourage has been exposed (again, Moochelle Obama was notorious  for such, but that got glossed over fast). Of course the GOPe won't fight that, they don't all fly coach, either.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on January 27, 2019, 09:40:52 PM
I don't idolize him, I just call him perfect.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 27, 2019, 09:46:43 PM
I think the people are behind it. The media deny us a voice. Whole web pages and youtube channels are shut down, Comments are edited, letter to the editor go into the circular file. Polls are carefully worded and sampled to give the desired result, not even a cross section of society.

As for Congress, it has been a long time since our 'representatives' in Washington D.C. have represented us.  They toss a few bones and scraps from the high table and point to those in election years, but for the most part, they couldn't care less what we think.

If they are from a GOP heavy district, they bank on voters having no other choice, and the Dems do the same in Dem heavy districts, but the Party is happening on Capitol Hill and K Street, and on junkets wherever dubbed 'factfinding missions' and such, at our expense.  At least in the blowback over POTUS shutting down Pelosi's trip, the 93% add on entourage has been exposed (again, Moochelle Obama was notorious  for such, but that got glossed over fast). Of course the GOPe won't fight that, they don't all fly coach, either.

The biggest single reason Trump was elected was due to campaigning for "the wall" yet both parties ignore the voters over and over on this. Voters are pissed and I really don't understand how both parties can pretend otherwise.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 27, 2019, 09:48:10 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pC8spY4/Dxl7-Ucl-W0-AEy0-V2.jpg)

For you @LegalAmerican   You're doing great!   :beer:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 27, 2019, 09:49:56 PM
@LegalAmerican

This is America.  We beat up presidents and politicians because we can.  It's healthier than idolizing them.

What happened to the first caravan?  (Sincere question).

@QueenCatofAragon

Last I heard there were bottled up in Tijuana and Mexicali.  They were not allowed in.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 10:04:44 PM
I think the people are behind it. The media deny us a voice. Whole web pages and youtube channels are shut down, Comments are edited, letter to the editor go into the circular file. Polls are carefully worded and sampled to give the desired result, not even a cross section of society.

As for Congress, it has been a long time since our 'representatives' in Washington D.C. have represented us.  They toss a few bones and scraps from the high table and point to those in election years, but for the most part, they couldn't care less what we think.

If they are from a GOP heavy district, they bank on voters having no other choice, and the Dems do the same in Dem heavy districts, but the Party is happening on Capitol Hill and K Street, and on junkets wherever dubbed 'factfinding missions' and such, at our expense.  At least in the blowback over POTUS shutting down Pelosi's trip, the 93% add on entourage has been exposed (again, Moochelle Obama was notorious  for such, but that got glossed over fast). Of course the GOPe won't fight that, they don't all fly coach, either.


All correct and people won't research. They prefer to let LEFT, LYING MEDIA  tell them what to believe. Then post from that crap.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 10:12:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pC8spY4/Dxl7-Ucl-W0-AEy0-V2.jpg)

For you @LegalAmerican   You're doing great!   :beer:


Thank you.  It is rare, when people understand.    :kisses2:

I am a LEGAL IMMIGRANT from Europe, who lived socialism.  I ..KNOW.   People on here don't. Complacent.  I think I can say, SPOILED...as they think, their lovely life will continue, while bashing president TRUMP.    So wrong & foolish.
 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 10:16:14 PM
I'm waiting for my "back pedal list" and "promises not kept" list.   Did I miss them?  People throw out that stuff, but can't back it up.  I assume some are now researching for some?  lol.  Give him 8 years like they said Obama needed. Then we can talk, what was NOT DONE, USING CONGRESS & CONSTITUTION. 

I need a real list.

Forget that ALL DEMON-RATS PRESIDENT KEPT NONE...AT ALL...if my president is still working on some of his promises,,very few left, most achieved in 18 months, they want to crucify him for it. Yet the NEXT PRESIDENT will be smooth talking, do NOTHING for Americans, him, her..they will LOVE because they are smooth, lying talkers.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 10:17:04 PM

Thank you.  It is rare, when people understand.    :kisses2:

I am a LEGAL IMMIGRANT from Europe, who lived socialism.  I ..KNOW.   People on here don't. Complacent.  I think I can say, SPOILED...as they think, their lovely life will continue, while bashing president TRUMP.    So wrong & foolish.
 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

Careful with that axe, Eugene.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 10:19:24 PM
I'm waiting for my back pedal list and promises not kept list.   Did I miss them?

Quote
It is rare, when people understand.

You need to stop, listen, look around. Everyone here knows what's going down.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 27, 2019, 10:23:53 PM
Careful with that axe, Eugene.

What?  Ax?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 10:26:31 PM
What?  Ax?

***SIGH***
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 10:31:22 PM
What?  Ax?

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5U5sAQRE0A#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 27, 2019, 10:47:03 PM
@LegalAmerican

Background.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087)

I think @Smokin Joe has the Trump campaign promises compilation scorecard.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 27, 2019, 10:48:54 PM
I'm waiting for my "back pedal list" and "promises not kept" list.   Did I miss them?  People throw out that stuff, but can't back it up.  I assume some are now researching for some?  lol.  Give him 8 years like they said Obama needed. Then we can talk, what was NOT DONE, USING CONGRESS & CONSTITUTION. 

I need a real list.

Forget that ALL DEMON-RATS PRESIDENT KEPT NONE...AT ALL...if my president is still working on some of his promises,,very few left, most achieved in 18 months, they want to crucify him for it. Yet the NEXT PRESIDENT will be smooth talking, do NOTHING for Americans, him, her..they will LOVE because they are smooth, lying talkers.  Go figure.

I gave you one up thread a little ways and you ignored it.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 27, 2019, 10:56:01 PM
The biggest single reason Trump was elected was due to campaigning for "the wall" yet both parties ignore the voters over and over on this. Voters are pissed and I really don't understand how both parties can pretend otherwise.
They don't care. We're pissed. So what. Tough shitsky.

I have laid out the simple calculus of the ballot box:

If it's a red state/district, the voters will vote for whatever GOP candidate is fielded, barring an 11th hour pseudoscandal, and not vote at all if they don't. (Roy Moore, AL, for an example of the latter).

In heavily Democrat districts, the votes will go to the Dem, whoever it is, or they won't go at all,
 
If a candidate who works through the Primary process successfully is patently unacceptable to the power cartel in D.C. the synergy of an 11th hour scandal with a withdrawal of Party support will be used (along with voter fraud) to elect their opponent, if necessary, if they cannot be pushed to withdraw.
 
Only in districts where the ballot is close is there any contest, but regardless of who wins, they will play ball in D.C., for fun and profit, and the voters will come in last. We used to call that process of corruption 'getting Beltway Fever', but now I believe most candidates are compromised long before they are elected. 

Theoretically, we can challenge candidates in primary elections, but keep in mind that requires that the Party list the candidate, at least acknowledge them. Don't have complete faith in that process, either, and keep in mind that in today's news environment, allegations of wrongdoing can be used to scuttle any campaign, following 'leaks' citing unnamed sources who wish to remain anonymous without a shred of credible evidence, and leave the candidate trying to prove a negative (logically, the most difficult position) in the public eye, taking the spotlight off of bloody murder, if need be, in the other camp to elect someone who will 'play ball'.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 27, 2019, 11:05:51 PM
@LegalAmerican

Background.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087)

I think @Smokin Joe has the Trump campaign promises compilation scorecard.
Yep! Here's the link to that thread. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690)

@LegalAmerican FYI see the link.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 27, 2019, 11:21:37 PM

Thank you.  It is rare, when people understand.    :kisses2:

I am a LEGAL IMMIGRANT from Europe, who lived socialism.  I ..KNOW.   People on here don't. Complacent.  I think I can say, SPOILED...as they think, their lovely life will continue, while bashing president TRUMP.    So wrong & foolish.
 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

When you first got here I thought you implied you were a legal immigrant from South America and said you were a Mormon for 20 years???
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sighlass on January 28, 2019, 12:25:54 AM
12 pages and it is amazing that some try to paint others as wanting open borders because they rightfully said they didn't buy the yarn thrown at them by an obvious Bull Shooter that promised them the moon (while having a history of being a proud NY liberal).

Reality: As far as I can tell, there wasn't a NTer that wasn't sincere in wanting a dang wall. So sincere, they saw through the obvious BS being thrown at them from a con artist flippant populist that wanted power and title more than he cared to actually achieve anything..

The role of a true conservative NTer (in my opinion) was to cheer when Trump actually achieved something on his list of promises (see Smokin Joe's list above)  and to try to urge Trump to veer back in line when he strayed. The job did not include making excuses, any sort of idolatry, or making excuses when goals were missed.  We knew the enemy (RINOs and Dims) were gonna win a few battles but we wanted a smart war to at least kick towards our own field goal. Instead we got a Charlie Brown, but a Charlie without the moral compass to look beyond his own twitter account tooting his own horn. We got endless investigations into a man that hired thugs as his inner circle and those that did not thug enough were fired. We got a man that basically made everyone hate him, thus nothing got accomplished. We got wasted potential and basically what America deserved...

Character matters and America has forgone the wisdom to choose Conservative leaders that can lead effectively. The high ground is lost and all that is left is for us (speaking for myself and family) to go Galt and prepare for the worse while still holding our heads up as principled voters (that were right). We don't win, America loses and we are considered lepers to be avoided by those that cling to foolishness.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: DB on January 28, 2019, 01:19:42 AM
12 pages and it is amazing that some try to paint others as wanting open borders because they rightfully said they didn't buy the yarn thrown at them by an obvious Bull Shooter that promised them the moon (while having a history of being a proud NY liberal).

Reality: As far as I can tell, there wasn't a NTer that wasn't sincere in wanting a dang wall. So sincere, they saw through the obvious BS being thrown at them from a con artist flippant populist that wanted power and title more than he cared to actually achieve anything..

The role of a true conservative NTer (in my opinion) was to cheer when Trump actually achieved something on his list of promises (see Smokin Joe's list above)  and to try to urge Trump to veer back in line when he strayed. The job did not include making excuses, any sort of idolatry, or making excuses when goals were missed.  We knew the enemy (RINOs and Dims) were gonna win a few battles but we wanted a smart war to at least kick towards our own field goal. Instead we got a Charlie Brown, but a Charlie without the moral compass to look beyond his own twitter account tooting his own horn. We got endless investigations into a man that hired thugs as his inner circle and those that did not thug enough were fired. We got a man that basically made everyone hate him, thus nothing got accomplished. We got wasted potential and basically what America deserved...

Character matters and America has forgone the wisdom to choose Conservative leaders that can lead effectively. The high ground is lost and all that is left is for us (speaking for myself and family) to go Galt and prepare for the worse while still holding our heads up as principled voters (that were right). We don't win, America loses and we are considered lepers to be avoided by those that cling to foolishness.

Character Is Destiny. Something understood a very long time ago.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: aligncare on January 28, 2019, 06:21:29 AM

All correct and people won't research. They prefer to let LEFT, LYING MEDIA  tell them what to believe. Then post from that crap.

And the funny part – odd in a sick way – is that they know the media is spinning tales of woe about Trump, and that they’re being played by phony media lies every time the media and democrats make up a new controversy about Trump to set your hair on fire.

Yet, they don’t really care – they hate Trump just as much as Soros, the media and democrats do.

And that’s the truth.

Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 28, 2019, 06:51:07 AM
Reality: As far as I can tell, there wasn't a NTer that wasn't sincere in wanting a dang wall. So sincere, they saw through the obvious BS being thrown at them from a con artist flippant populist that wanted power and title more than he cared to actually achieve anything..


Worse, it's attention and self-aggrandizement he wants more than anything. Just take a look at his latest 'see how great I am' tweet.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

After all that I have done for the Military, our great Veterans, Judges (99), Justices (2), Tax & Regulation Cuts, the Economy, Energy, Trade & MUCH MORE, does anybody really think I won’t build the WALL? Done more in first two years than any President! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

7:09 PM · Jan 27, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 28, 2019, 06:55:26 AM
Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?


How does it feel to have invested so much in a snake oil selling, three card monte dealing con artist?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 08:42:07 AM
And the funny part – odd in a sick way – is that they know the media is spinning tales of woe about Trump, and that they’re being played by phony media lies every time the media and democrats make up a new controversy about Trump to set your hair on fire.

Yet, they don’t really care – they hate Trump just as much as Soros, the media and democrats do.

And that’s the truth.

Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?

And yet here we are with no new wall in sight, which just about all of us are rooting for.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Night Hides Not on January 28, 2019, 08:42:31 AM

How does it feel to have invested so much in a snake oil selling, three card monte dealing con artist?

I know the feeling. I was a staunch supporter of Dubya until he fired Rummy the day after the 2006 midterms. He personified a "lame duck" his last two years in office, shrugging his shoulders and letting the Democrats in Congress have their way.

I said to myself, "Nie Wieder", I just won't vote for anyone unless I'm nearly in total agreement with their words, and more importantly their actions.

(https://www.jenniferalambert.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Visit-to-Dachau.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 28, 2019, 08:47:00 AM
And yet here we are with no new wall in sight, which just about all of us are rooting for.

Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

@RoosGirl
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 09:04:32 AM
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

@RoosGirl


So, Trump shut down Fed Gov for 21 days for no reason?

Here's a real question, what percentage of total wall needed does the repair and new sections cover?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 28, 2019, 09:06:35 AM
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

@RoosGirl
Isn't the $1.6 billion already earmarked for border barriers when Trump was elected paying for that?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Night Hides Not on January 28, 2019, 09:08:58 AM

So, Trump shut down Fed Gov for 21 days for no reason?

Here's a real question, what percentage of total wall needed does the repair and new sections cover?

Expect a deluge of this...

(https://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/grasping-at-straws1.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 28, 2019, 09:14:19 AM

So, Trump shut down Fed Gov for 21 days for no reason?

Here's a real question, what percentage of total wall needed does the repair and new sections cover?

Absolutely not @RoosGirl   The successes you didn't watch in the videos I posted were funded with the $1.6 billion from the CR in March.

We now need more money to continue building the wall.  The President's sense of urgency may come from the 10,000 new "migrants" marching toward the U.S.

To answer your last question about percentages, you'll need to watch the videos some of your questions are answered there.  If not, try Google.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on January 28, 2019, 09:15:25 AM
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)

@RoosGirl


Over the weekend, you said you were weary of repeatedly posting this. No wonder you adore Trump. Neither of you can follow through.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 09:15:42 AM
Expect a deluge of this...

(https://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/grasping-at-straws1.jpg)

I really would like to know what the number is.  If you go by the last number I saw that Republicans had in a bill it was $25 billion.  So this $1.6 billion being spent covers some new wall and also some repair.  The rough math is that this covers about 6% of what is needed.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Night Hides Not on January 28, 2019, 09:20:03 AM

Over the weekend, you said you were weary of repeatedly posting this. No wonder you adore Trump. Neither of you can follow through.

"Following through" is hard work, compared to tweeting, launching personal attacks on those not on the Trump Train, and shouting "MAGA!" to adoring crowds.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 09:23:18 AM
Absolutely not @RoosGirl   The successes you didn't watch in the videos I posted were funded with the $1.6 billion from the CR in March.

We now need more money to continue building the wall.  The President's sense of urgency may come from the 10,000 new "migrants" marching toward the U.S.

To answer your last question about percentages, you'll need to watch the videos some of your questions are answered there.  If not, try Google.

Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 28, 2019, 09:57:44 AM
Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 10:04:20 AM
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.

Exactly.  And is it areas of fence repair or new fence?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 28, 2019, 10:08:34 AM
Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."

Well I do know the answer to that question, but I don't feel like telling you.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 10:09:47 AM
Well I do know the answer to that question, but I don't feel like telling you.

I can handle that too because I appreciate the candor.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
Looks like @Elderberry did some good research.  Turns out the hick in the truck is driving fence that is being replaced, not new fence.  Total is to be 20 miles of replaced fence.  Trump's new fence will be a total of 6 miles and hasn't been started yet.


http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.msg1902582.html#msg1902582 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.msg1902582.html#msg1902582)

From the article posted by Elderberry:

Quote
So far during the Trump years, some of those walls or fences have been upgraded, but no barrier extensions have been undertaken.

That will change in late February when a contractor called SLSCO will begin building six miles of all-new wall in Hidalgo County, Texas, near the McAllen-Reynosa border crossing.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Night Hides Not on January 28, 2019, 10:38:08 AM
Looks like @Elderberry did some good research.  Turns out the hick in the truck is driving fence that is being replaced, not new fence.  Total is to be 20 miles of replaced fence.  Trump's new fence will be a total of 6 miles and hasn't been started yet.


http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.msg1902582.html#msg1902582 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.msg1902582.html#msg1902582)

From the article posted by Elderberry:

I can't wait to hear the laudatory adjectives that will be said for that 6 mile wall...lol, let me guess: amazing, beautiful, wonderful, etc.

I could be convinced that we could significantly improve our border security with less than 300 miles of physical barriers, if they were built in the strategic choke points. This first six miles accounts for 2% of what's essential IMO.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Elderberry on January 28, 2019, 11:05:28 AM
Quote
Right now there’s about 650 miles of existing barriers—most of it built during the Bush and Obama administrations.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 28, 2019, 11:22:32 PM
Its not about party at this point. Its about Conservatism and Socialism warring for the future of the country...and however imperfect our current brand of conservatism may be, it remains the diametric opposite of the kind of soul crushing, economy destroying, freedom ending nightmare that the Democratic party is bringing our way at hyperspeed. There is no "3rd" side in THIS battle...you either oppose this Socialist monstrosity as the President and his supporters are doing, collaborate with it as you are now doing, or sit uselessly on the sideline reveling in your own moral narcissism (which is worse than taking a side). 

Your stand makes you a full on collaborator with the Pelosi-Cortz bunch...akin to a Murkowski or a Collins. You actively write and post, not with constructive criticism for Presidential policies with which you disagree, but rather you work to demean and undermine while offering no other means of resisting this Socialist Beast that the Left is launching at us.

And lets not pretend you don't hate Trump...you've gone too far and said too much for anyone here to believe such an absurd claim.


You are correct.  It is as if, everyone is still a child in some old body. They are the La la la la, I can't hear you people. Undermine our country and a good president because of some JEALOUSY.....  so mature. BTW being jealous is a LEFT trait.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)  If they have the guts to go to this site and still hate my president, there is something mentally wrong with them.  Some have done those video tests, walking around, telling people what TRUMP SAID. They were appalled, filled with hate...etc.  Then the interview said..."NO, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT. OBAMA DID, OR HILLARY DID".  THAT SHOWS THE BRAINWASHING OF OUR SOCIETY by LEFT, LYING MEDIA. They were then speechless, knew not what to say. Did they say they hated Obama?  NO.

PART TWO;  THERE IS PART ONE, TOO,  COURTESY OF RIGHT IN VIRGINIA.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xs1P1olxR4&t=10s
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 11:26:18 PM

You are correct.  It is as if, everyone is still a child in some old body. They are the La la la la, I can't hear you people. Undermine our country and a good president because of some JEALOUSY.....  so mature. BTW being jealous is a LEFT trait.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)  If they have the guts to go to this site and still hate my president, there is something mentally wrong with them.  Some have done those video tests, walking around, telling people what TRUMP SAID. They were appalled, filled with hate...etc.  Then the interview said..."NO, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT. OBAMA DID, OR HILLARY DID".  THAT SHOWS THE BRAINWASHING OF OUR SOCIETY by LEFT, LYING MEDIA. They were then speechless, knew not what to say. Did they say they hated Obama?  NO.

PART TWO;  THERE IS PART ONE, TOO,  COURTESY OF RIGHT IN VIRGINIA.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xs1P1olxR4&t=10s

I was all ready to go and watch and be amazed, and then I read "COURTESY OF RIGHT IN VIRGINIA".  Sorry, that's a hard no for me after the stupid videos she posted earlier today.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 28, 2019, 11:37:16 PM
Sorry, that's a hard no for me after the stupid videos she posted earlier today.

I thought I posted the stupidest videos?

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 28, 2019, 11:39:20 PM
I thought I posted the stupidest videos?

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M#)
Careful, Frank, jealousy is a Leftist trait.  :nono:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 11:40:22 PM
I thought I posted the stupidest videos?

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M#)

Well, yes honey, your are the stupidest, but that doesn't mean there aren't others nipping at your heels.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 28, 2019, 11:41:57 PM
Well, yes honey, your are the stupidest, but that doesn't mean there aren't others nipping at your heels.

Good. As long as I am still the best then I'm cool with that.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 28, 2019, 11:45:57 PM
The entire branding of the wall is all wrong.

Call it the "Green Mile".

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on January 29, 2019, 12:03:48 AM

You are correct.  It is as if, everyone is still a child in some old body. They are the La la la la, I can't hear you people. Undermine our country and a good president because of some JEALOUSY.....  so mature. BTW being jealous is a LEFT trait.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)  If they have the guts to go to this site and still hate my president, there is something mentally wrong with them.  Some have done those video tests, walking around, telling people what TRUMP SAID. They were appalled, filled with hate...etc.  Then the interview said..."NO, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT. OBAMA DID, OR HILLARY DID".  THAT SHOWS THE BRAINWASHING OF OUR SOCIETY by LEFT, LYING MEDIA. They were then speechless, knew not what to say. Did they say they hated Obama?  NO.

PART TWO;  THERE IS PART ONE, TOO,  COURTESY OF RIGHT IN VIRGINIA.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xs1P1olxR4&t=10s

http://futurism.com/the-byte/laser-beam-speech-mit (http://futurism.com/the-byte/laser-beam-speech-mit)

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 29, 2019, 12:17:04 AM
@bigheadfred Gives the 'voices in your head' a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

The diabolical possibilities with someone who is off their meds, armed, and angry are tremendous.

(Will it reach the 32nd floor?)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on January 29, 2019, 08:40:28 PM
Quote
Not, Idolizing anyone. I don't watch movies. I see results and sincerity, as do some others. I've been through many presidents. I know a worker when I see one.  BTW. I know what happened to the OTHER caravans...why don't you?

No, you don't idolize him, you just want him on Mt. Rushmore.  Perfectly normal.

I don't know what happened to the caravan because there's more to life than politics.  You should check out some movies and maybe relax.

Quote
There are YouTube on that. President TRUMP stopped most of them.  Military, barbed wire.  WHY DON'T YOU KNOW?

Why do you scream?

Quote
Some went back home, some stayed in Tiajuna  sp? Some got through our borders.  Most did not want ASYLUM IN MEXICO even that it was offered by Mexico.  So, that was not the issue. Our laws are so bad, they HELP ILLEGALS...better then American citizens!

Yeah, no argument there.  Okay, so I guess you answered my question.  Thanks.

Quote
BTW. Mexico is building a new wall too, on their side.  www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com)   Try my link.  SINCERELY.

No, I'm not into being "pilled."

Quote
Would you say Judge Pirro is smart?  And she is a senior too. About 60 years old. Maturity & experience

I don't know how smart she is.  But if she's a senior, she's too long in the tooth for off-the-shoulder stuff.  Bad taste.

@LegalAmerican
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 29, 2019, 11:25:52 PM
:silly: 

Oh sh1t.
You're serious?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxOLOutX4AI6XTY.jpg)



You made up some phony list? Oh, PBS...LEFT COMMENTARY GROUP.  Does not make it true. THAT is ...B.S.

LIST OF CURRENT NATIONAL EMERGENCY'S

1. Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)
2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)
3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Jan. 23, 1995)
4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (Mar. 15, 1995)
5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Oct. 21, 1995)
6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (Mar. 1, 1996)
7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (Nov. 3, 1997)
8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (Jun. 26, 2001)
9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (Aug. 17, 2001)
10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (Sept. 14, 2001)
11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (Sept. 23, 2001)
12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (Mar. 6, 2003)
13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)
14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)
15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Jun. 16, 2006)
16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Oct. 27, 2006)
17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (Aug. 1, 2007)
18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (Jun. 26, 2008)
19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Apr. 12, 2010)
20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Feb. 25, 2011)
21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Jul. 25, 2011)
22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)
23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Mar. 6, 2014)
24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Apr. 3, 2014)
25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)
26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Mar. 9, 2015)
27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Apr. 1, 2015)
28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Nov. 23, 2015)

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics (https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics) ... index.html

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 29, 2019, 11:28:56 PM
   Point to @LegalAmerican everyone knows CNN is more credible than PBS    /s
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 29, 2019, 11:45:34 PM
@LegalAmerican

Background.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087)

I think @Smokin Joe has the Trump campaign promises compilation scorecard.


So do I. I posted all of them one time.  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)     Ok, I do not watch Movies anymore. I never listened to Hard Metal, etc. I was raised Old World European and raised on classical music.  Never went to any screaming concert.

 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 29, 2019, 11:53:21 PM
Yep! Here's the link to that thread. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690)

@LegalAmerican FYI see the link.

I went there I didn't see much. Now, go to MINE..CURRENT.  I saw yours, now see mine. Hit the link.  www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 29, 2019, 11:57:18 PM
I went there I didn't see much. Now, go to MINE..CURRENT.  I saw yours, now see mine. Hit the link.  www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com)

Not. Weird. At. All.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 12:01:00 AM
And the funny part – odd in a sick way – is that they know the media is spinning tales of woe about Trump, and that they’re being played by phony media lies every time the media and democrats make up a new controversy about Trump to set your hair on fire.

Yet, they don’t really care – they hate Trump just as much as Soros, the media and democrats do.

And that’s the truth.

Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?
 


BINGO!  Never seen so many people on the wrong side of America. They think it is about their 'feeling's".  Yes, they are helping SOROS, and DEEP STATE.  So, are they smart?   **nononono*

 I don't want a socialist or communist country. I've lived it.  No Amit  amount of telling them about starvation, helps. Or telling about Venezuela, eating dogs, zoo animals to survive, gets them OUT OF HATE MODE or into common sense mode.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 12:08:37 AM
Yep! Here's the link to that thread. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690)

@LegalAmerican FYI see the link.

The list I am wanting for, are from the people who said president TRUMP back tracked, many times or back pedaled.  THAT IS the list I wanted from those people who said that.  CRICKETS.  I dispelled one accusation. Then I asked what were the others. List them.  NOTHING. If people are going to say things like that, I need some back up.   GO TO THIS LINK.

WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 30, 2019, 12:10:17 AM
Not. Weird. At. All.

Psst. I don't want to panic you but you have too many periods in that post. The Grammar Police are everywhere.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 30, 2019, 01:03:19 AM
I went there I didn't see much. Now, go to MINE..CURRENT.  I saw yours, now see mine. Hit the link.  www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com)

The purpose of my article (note the date) was to list what he promised during the campaign.

That is what is there.

Not much to keep up on since he can't go back in time and make more.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 01:20:41 AM
Careful, Frank, jealousy is a Leftist trait.  :nono:



·         http://www.youtube.com/v/3ZmfdDbx_RY&ve (http://www.youtube.com/v/3ZmfdDbx_RY&ve) ... tube_gdata
·         
·         ****liberalism has been determined to be a mental disorder,


Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;

 satisfying* infantile claims* to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;


*** augmenting primitive feelings of envy; ***

 rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”


And brain scans done at Duke University show that the frontal cortex is totally different in progressives.

"The marker found on the DNA of the Progressive, Socialist, Liberal etc. has been determined to be a defect! It has been said " Liberalism" is a mental disorder ,but more likely a birth defect. "
.
• "Liberals claim to be open to all viewpoints and opinions other than their own, and then are shocked and angered to find there ARE, other viewpoints and opinions than their own." William F. Buckley.

"Researchers have discovered a "liberal gene", sad but true. Seems your political views are only a novelty for you.

""Previous research has identified a connection between a variant of this gene and novelty-seeking behavior, and this behavior has previously been associated with personality traits related to political liberalism.""
~From: ucsdnews(dot)ucsd(dot)edu(sla...
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 01:28:57 AM
Well, THAT was a RACIST COMMENT!  You don't know this man. Then to try and MINIMIZE a valid Video. Just like any LEFT would do. Proof was shown, then belittled.  TSK.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #297 on: January 28, 2019, 09:57:44 AM »

Quote from: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 09:23:18 AM

Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."


Smokin Joe;
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 30, 2019, 01:30:21 AM
The list I am wanting for, are from the people who said president TRUMP back tracked, many times or back pedaled.  THAT IS the list I wanted from those people who said that.  CRICKETS.  I dispelled one accusation. Then I asked what were the others. List them.  NOTHING. If people are going to say things like that, I need some back up.

Lock up Hitlery
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYVQziDmnvA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYVQziDmnvA#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 30, 2019, 01:35:52 AM
Well, THAT was a RACIST COMMENT!  You don't know this man. Then to try and MINIMIZE a valid Video. Just like any LEFT would do. Proof was shown, then belittled.  TSK.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #297 on: January 28, 2019, 09:57:44 AM »

Quote from: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 09:23:18 AM

Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."


Smokin Joe;
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.
Velocity*time=distance.
I'm not doubting he drove past a very nice looking barrier.

Without any other reference but time, I can't tell how far he drove.
 
If I knew the average speed of his truck, say 30 MPH, then for every minute he drives, he drives 1/2 mile.
But, again, I don't know that speed. I can only guess. 
It is simple math, but you need to fill in the blanks to work the equation.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 01:49:05 AM
The purpose of my article (note the date) was to list what he promised during the campaign.

That is what is there.

Not much to keep up on since he can't go back in time and make more.

My list from his site directly is on my other computer. I don't 'buy MotherJones" that is Soros funded, and dying Washington poo.  What my president SAID BACK THEN WAS........

WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION...these are some of his PLANS & policy's. 

Now, that NEW information has come about, regarding the wall, you all still want to hold him to rebar?  BORDER PATROL
talked to president and explained what THEY needed at the border.  All of his plans were CONTINGENT on congress approval and voting for his pLANS..yet a lot of people act like TRUMP should be a DICTATOR NOW, to implement his plans? 

First everyone was scared, he would be a dictator, now they are upset, HE ISN'T ONE!  He has achieved most of his plans, even that John McCain..."no name" a so called Republican was the one VOTE TO DESTROY TOTAL REPEAL ON OBAMCARE. 
"NO NAME" voted "NO", to be spiteful. Also paid by SOROS since 2001. RUTH GINSBURG? Another spiteful old hag.
Why is my president blamed ? Congress has to come up with budgets,  with budget for wall, which has other issues in it, NOT just wall funding.  Our NEW McCain, RINO, Mitt Romney voted it down.  There were 6 RINO'S  in all.

Again, anything president TRUMP said he wants to achieve was WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION.  That is what he has done.  Blame your HOUSE , SENATE...RINO'S not my president.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 01:58:52 AM
Velocity*time=distance.
I'm not doubting he drove past a very nice looking barrier.

Without any other reference but time, I can't tell how far he drove.
 
If I knew the average speed of his truck, say 30 MPH, then for every minute he drives, he drives 1/2 mile.
But, again, I don't know that speed. I can only guess. 
It is simple math, but you need to fill in the blanks to work the equation.


Yes, that was to Roos Girl;  pointing-up

 I would guess by road condition, he was going at least 30 & no more than 40 miles an hour.  At one point, he goes off road, a bit and one can still see, miles upon miles of barrier.   Not talking about you JOE, but seems some on here WANT INSTANT WALL.  Then when shown, it is coming along, "they can't be bothered" to watch the wall being built. 

President TRUMP wants it all done, NOW..not piecemeal, but, if that is all  he can get DEMON-RATS to agree to at THIS TIME...he will take it, and negotiate for more later.  9th CIRCUS COURT..is stopping everything he wants to do for our safety. Why are people not upset about these LA RAZA JUDGES? 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 02:13:22 AM
Any LEFT on here pissed at RINO'S?  Just keep piling on president TRUMP , till we become a COMMUNIST COUNTRY.  Only yourselves to blame.



Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=DUQo2HcwWzs#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on January 30, 2019, 02:39:10 AM
Lock up Hitlery


Wasn't that when president TRUMP was just president-elect TRUMP?

I don't think he'd even signed a >1$T deficit CR at that point.  Give the MAN some time.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 30, 2019, 03:18:39 AM
My list from his site directly is on my other computer. I don't 'buy MotherJones" that is Soros funded, and dying Washington poo.  What my president SAID BACK THEN WAS........

WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION...these are some of his PLANS & policy's. 

Now, that NEW information has come about, regarding the wall, you all still want to hold him to rebar?  BORDER PATROL
talked to president and explained what THEY needed at the border.  All of his plans were CONTINGENT on congress approval and voting for his pLANS..yet a lot of people act like TRUMP should be a DICTATOR NOW, to implement his plans? 

First everyone was scared, he would be a dictator, now they are upset, HE ISN'T ONE!  He has achieved most of his plans, even that John McCain..."no name" a so called Republican was the one VOTE TO DESTROY TOTAL REPEAL ON OBAMCARE. 
"NO NAME" voted "NO", to be spiteful. Also paid by SOROS since 2001. RUTH GINSBURG? Another spiteful old hag.
Why is my president blamed ? Congress has to come up with budgets,  with budget for wall, which has other issues in it, NOT just wall funding.  Our NEW McCain, RINO, Mitt Romney voted it down.  There were 6 RINO'S  in all.

Again, anything president TRUMP said he wants to achieve was WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION.  That is what he has done.  Blame your HOUSE , SENATE...RINO'S not my president.
Excuse me. Would you like a glass of cold water? Please sit down and take deep breaths, and let them out slowly.

I'm not trying to piss you off, I'm trying to get you to calm down.

I agree there is the RINO herd in Congress,who have ever defected on critical votes, even when the GOP had both houses and the Oval Office, too. Constitutionally, what requires legislation, requires legislation, and without that legislation, the POTUS is very limited in what he can do within the constraints of the Constitution.

He has ended some of the Obama Administration generated obstructionism for infrastructure development, and development of traditional energy sources. That alone has helped bring energy prices down in most of the US, and the price of gasoline is down considerably. That, in turn, brings an economic boon, especially in areas where people drive their own vehicles to get around. Out this way, where the big towns are 120 or more miles apart, the lower fuel costs are appreciated.
Infrastructure improvements and policy changes have enabled me to still get some work in, although I drove 700 miles to work where I am now, 1100 on the last job (one way, not round trip). That isn't so unusual, and again, the lower fuel costs were appreciated.

I didn't compile that list of promises as anything but a list of the things that were promised to the American people should he be elected. It isn't something intended to attack, nor unthinkingly praise the POTUS, but at the time appeared to be the one fair metric by which success or less could be judged. His own words, with links.

When those promises were made, it was understood that some of those things would require the cooperation or assistance of the then GOP dominated Congress.

He was the one who said "Wall". It was an idea Ted Cruz had broached years before, and Mr. Trump ran with it. It became one of his signature promises on the campaign trail. Those of us who were skeptical of the practicality of constructing a 1954+ mile barrier along the entirety of the Southern Border expressed our concerns in terms of the engineering challenge, of water access for ranchers, and other problems which would predictably arise, assuming (silly us) that he would succeed in getting the funding now that we had the Trifecta of GOP control in the House, Senate, and White House.
Naturally, on funding, and on the repeal of Obamacare, the defectors in the GOP (Liberal moles, whatever) managed to obstruct both. The third signature promise, one many of us still pray to happen, is "Hillary in irons".

It has become obvious that the very investigative agencies which should have been digging into the egregious crimes of the previous administration have been corrupted, ignoring crimes for which there is incontrovertible evidence in public view, and instead launching on a witch hunt for Russians under the bed, reminiscent of the Anthrax investigation those same lead personnel perpetrated on innocent scientists https://www.genengnews.com/news/comey-mueller-and-anthrax/ (https://www.genengnews.com/news/comey-mueller-and-anthrax/), only closed after one of those accused allegedly committed suicide.  The surviving scientist was awarded over 5 million in damages.

So, until some changes are made, the big three are on hold. All three require some degree of cooperation from Congress.
People are criticizing leadership, but if you take point and everyone else sits down (or at least a critical number of them), the plan isn't going anywhere. The GOP slow-walked what it even moved, and waited for the typical mid-term shift in power. So I blame the Congress for a lot.

As for what he could do, much of that has been done. Some I agree with, some not, but the benefits are undeniable.

Ending the bullsh*t 'water protectors' protest holding up the Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) has allowed that to be completed, now moving 500,000 barrels of oil per day out of my home state, nearly half the daily oil production, which translates to roughly one fourth of the tax revenue of the State. That takes a load off the average North Dakotan, has kept taxes lower, and there have been infrastructure improvements and services which have benefited by the revenue and industry presence in the 19 oil producing counties, but the remaining 34 counties with no oil reserves also benefit through State funding that comes from oil. Other decisions made, and Obama era rules reversed have helped as well. No complaints here.

I am unhappy with the 'bump stock' ruling, not because I ever owned one or wanted to, but because I see it as an unnecessary infringement on the RKBA, and the wording contains technical errors which might be used to redefine entire classes of firearms, and not just accessories. That situation is cause for concern among us who jealously guard our Second Amendment Rights, especially with the stated intent of the Democrats to push their anti-gun agenda and the waffling RINOS in the Senate.

I do not want POTUS to step outside his Constitutional bounds, any more than I want the rest of government there, (which is not at all). Get it done, get it done right. If that means some RINOs have to be removed, so be it. Those districts will have to get cracking. Hopefully, when the GOP regains the House, those seats will be filled by people who are more Conservative, and more productive along those lines.

Now, if you went to the link and noted the date, you saw that those promises were what was compiled when he was elected, from the campaign. It was easier, admittedly, to quote two sources than spend a week hunting down individual quotes which would likely not have been from much better sources. Obviously, the job was thankless enough as it was.
The list is not an attack on Trump, just something by which we can measure progress.

Have a nice day and try to retire from the circular firing squad.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 30, 2019, 07:09:02 AM
“...try to retire from the circular firing squad.”

@Smokin Joe

Supporting the president today in this atmosphere of wholesale media malpractice means having to take a defensive posture. There’s a constant stream of smears and lies in open and in subversive attacks on the administration, on Trump – and to their shame, on his family.

It permeates all news media in wave after wave. There are even threats of violence from the Left seeping into the dialogue.

So, if some of Donald Trump’s supporters seem on edge, I’d cut them some slack. We’ve got our hands full defending the Republic and knocking down misinformation from the Left – and to their shame, from the right. Those are the folks firing in the wrong direction.

But, I commend you. You’re posting, as above, is always worth reading and entirely reasonable. I can’t say I have the same regard for NT’s arguments which, in the context of the information wars, are first, too sanctimonious, and second, unhelpful in our struggles against the Left and their useful idiots in the democrat party.
I am to Trump's right, and considerably so.

But the election is over, and as has been said 'You fight a war with the army you have."

At this point, supporting POTUS when he is right, and reasoned opposition when he is wrong, is the course of action to take.

Blind opposition is as unreasoning as blind support.

Neither will produce an optimal outcome, all things considered.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 30, 2019, 07:50:23 AM

Yes, that was to Roos Girl;  pointing-up

 I would guess by road condition, he was going at least 30 & no more than 40 miles an hour.  At one point, he goes off road, a bit and one can still see, miles upon miles of barrier.   Not talking about you JOE, but seems some on here WANT INSTANT WALL.  Then when shown, it is coming along, "they can't be bothered" to watch the wall being built. 

President TRUMP wants it all done, NOW..not piecemeal, but, if that is all  he can get DEMON-RATS to agree to at THIS TIME...he will take it, and negotiate for more later.  9th CIRCUS COURT..is stopping everything he wants to do for our safety. Why are people not upset about these LA RAZA JUDGES?
Oh the Ninth Circuit has been at the top of my All American Fecal Roster as an abortion of jurisprudence for decades.

It is not only the court of choice for Communist obstructionists and cultural terrorists, but also the most overturned court in the lot.
It doesn't matter that their decisions are often only temporary--the interruptions, the expense, the degradation perpetrated upon American industry (no matter how small), American Culture, and individual Americans is the goal of those bringing suit, eventually hoping to fatigue or impoverish those who oppose the Communist and Libertine Agenda. If the ruling manages to stand, so much the better for the enemies of the country, and so much worse for America.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 30, 2019, 09:45:14 AM


President TRUMP wants it all done, NOW..not piecemeal, but, if that is all  he can get DEMON-RATS to agree to at THIS TIME...he will take it, and negotiate for more later.  9th CIRCUS COURT..is stopping everything he wants to do for our safety. Why are people not upset about these LA RAZA JUDGES?

@LegalAmerican

Because they are from the Left Coast,and the commies that run those states LOVE communist judges because they understand the goal of these judges is to destroy America in order to create a Collective State. Most of these fools are clueless about what this means,and think it means "mo free stuff fo me". The people really pushing it from the upper levels see it from the "Master/slave" POV.

Guess who gets to decide what it will be when it happens.

Here is a hint. "There is no such thing as unemployment in the labor camps."
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on January 30, 2019, 10:09:21 AM
Wasn't that when president TRUMP was just president-elect TRUMP?

I don't think he'd even signed a >1$T deficit CR at that point.  Give the MAN some time.

I thought it was eye opening that Trump backed off Hitlery the day after he was elected.  I thought it would resonate with a majority of Republicans, but it turns out most of them excused it without a second thought.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 30, 2019, 10:26:49 AM
I am to Trump's right, and considerably so.

But the election is over, and as has been said 'You fight a war with the army you have."

At this point, supporting POTUS when he is right, and reasoned opposition when he is wrong, is the course of action to take.

Blind opposition is as unreasoning as blind support.

Neither will produce an optimal outcome, all things considered.

QFT
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 30, 2019, 10:29:46 AM
I am to Trump's right, and considerably so.

But the election is over, and as has been said 'You fight a war with the army you have."

At this point, supporting POTUS when he is right, and reasoned opposition when he is wrong, is the course of action to take.

Blind opposition is as unreasoning as blind support.

Neither will produce an optimal outcome, all things considered.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 30, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
The list I am wanting for, are from the people who said president TRUMP back tracked, many times or back pedaled.  THAT IS the list I wanted from those people who said that.  CRICKETS.  I dispelled one accusation. Then I asked what were the others. List them.  NOTHING. If people are going to say things like that, I need some back up.   GO TO THIS LINK.

WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)

Ok...

Quote
Trump promised to “convene a special session” of Congress as soon as he was sworn in — an idea that confounded many, as Congress was already set to be in session — so that lawmakers could “immediately repeal and replace Obamacare.” All of this would happen “very, very quickly,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-grand-promises-to-very-very-quickly-repeal-obamacare-run-into-reality/2017/07/18/91b5f220-6bd3-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.8fceab0a033a (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-grand-promises-to-very-very-quickly-repeal-obamacare-run-into-reality/2017/07/18/91b5f220-6bd3-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.8fceab0a033a)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 30, 2019, 10:37:45 AM
I thought it was eye opening that Trump backed off Hitlery the day after he was elected.  I thought it would resonate with a majority of Republicans, but it turns out most of them excused it without a second thought.

IMHO Trump never attacked Hillary like he did with his GOP running mates. Never.  Even during the presidential debates his attacks were mild in comparison. That should have raised a few eyebrows but it didn't.  He then appoints Rosenstein who worked on the Whitewater Investigation into the Clintons, served under both Bush and Holder.   That raised a red flag to me.

President Trump has done some good though and does deserve credit and support when due.  But, I cannot give him a free pass on everything as others do.  That's just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on January 30, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
I thought it was eye opening that Trump backed off Hitlery the day after he was elected.  I thought it would resonate with a majority of Republicans, but it turns out most of them excused it without a second thought.

I'm not one of those who excused it by far!  ALL of the DOJ malfeasances stick in my craw and will until it is properly dealt with!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 30, 2019, 10:58:16 AM
I'm not one of those who excused it by far!  ALL of the DOJ malfeasances stick in my craw and will until it is properly dealt with!
I agree. Such egregious crimes cannot go unaddressed. That next of vipers needs to be cleaned thoroughly, and then hit the other agencies.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 30, 2019, 01:59:56 PM
Well, THAT was a RACIST COMMENT!  You don't know this man. Then to try and MINIMIZE a valid Video. Just like any LEFT would do. Proof was shown, then belittled.  TSK.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #297 on: January 28, 2019, 09:57:44 AM »

Quote from: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 09:23:18 AM

Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."


Smokin Joe;
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.

I didin't know Hick was a race.  Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways.

That wall wasn't new wall, it was replacement wall.  I didn't need to watch 20 minutes of some hick driving it to figure that out.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on January 30, 2019, 02:12:54 PM
Psst. I don't want to panic you but you have too many periods in that post. The Grammar Police are everywhere.

You can have my extra periods when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 30, 2019, 03:02:30 PM
I thought it was eye opening that Trump backed off Hitlery the day after he was elected.  I thought it would resonate with a majority of Republicans, but it turns out most of them excused it without a second thought.

@Once-Ler

HorseHillary! You can bet your butt that the DNC told Trump the day he won the election that there is no way in HELL they are going to allow him to charge and convict her of anything,and they will never cooperate with him on anything if he even tries. You may be stoopid enough to be a Dim,but even you ain't stupid enough to believe any different.

You are just lying for political gain,and like the typical Dim,don't consider lying for political gain to be wrong as long as YOU are the one doing it.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 30, 2019, 03:08:17 PM
I'm not one of those who excused it by far!  ALL of the DOJ malfeasances stick in my craw and will until it is properly dealt with!

@Bigun

There was no way Trump or anyone else was going to make that happen since the entire DNC and their financial backers would have to be named as co-conspirators. Trump would have better luck flapping his arms and flying to the moon.

There is also no way you didn't understand that all along.

What *I* would like would be to see her,Bubba,and a whole BUNCH of other political creatures from both parties indicted,imprisoned,and in some cases,backed against a wall and shot for committing treason and selling their offices to the highest bidders.

Ain't going to happen though,no matter how hard I wish,so I am just going to have to be happy with any gains we can make to "Re-Americanize" America.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 03:30:09 PM
@Once-Ler

HorseHillary! You can bet your butt that the DNC told Trump the day he won the election that there is no way in HELL they are going to allow him to charge and convict her of anything,and they will never cooperate with him on anything if he even tries. You may be stoopid enough to be a Dim,but even you ain't stupid enough to believe any different.

You are just lying for political gain,and like the typical Dim,don't consider lying for political gain to be wrong as long as YOU are the one doing it.

Thank you!  Only a few people on here understand what is really going on!  You are one of them. "They' quote , "Trump promised this or promised that, which most have been fulfilled, but some people keep talking as if TRUMP is a dictator and just by magic, make it all happen 100% of the time, all the time. 

Trump has always said; These are his plans and WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION..he hopes to achieve his agenda.

 It has been nothing but obstruction and resistant, outright attacks on TRUMP since May 2015 and his family, and these people, can't stop blaming TRUMP, instead of the people who STOP ALL HIS PLANS. Amazing to me.  I am calm.  I used caps on working with congress and within the constitution to try and get people on here, to understand, what he is doing.  They talk as if he were a dictator and not president bound by our rules & laws.  First, they were all afraid he would be a dictator, now he is chastised for NOT being one. Hell if he does, hell if he doesn't.  I don't see how the man is still standing.  The N.T'.S cheer.
President TRUMP works 100 hour weeks for NO PAY!  We the American people have saved a million dollars on that alone.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on January 30, 2019, 03:32:44 PM
President TRUMP works 100 hour weeks for NO PAY!  We the American people have saved a million dollars on that alone.

Untrue.  Trump's salary is donated to various charities/organizations.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 03:35:24 PM
@Bigun

There was no way Trump or anyone else was going to make that happen since the entire DNC and their financial backers would have to be named as co-conspirators. Trump would have better luck flapping his arms and flying to the moon.

There is also no way you didn't understand that all along.

What *I* would like would be to see her,Bubba,and a whole BUNCH of other political creatures from both parties indicted,imprisoned,and in some cases,backed against a wall and shot for committing treason and selling their offices to the highest bidders.

Ain't going to happen though,no matter how hard I wish,so I am just going to have to be happy with any gains we can make to "Re-Americanize" America.


 :thumbsup: :da man: :flag: 888bravo 888bravo 888bravo
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 03:39:22 PM
Untrue.  Trump's salary is donated to various charities/organizations.

I know.  HE is not taking any salary for himself.  Most went back to government. Our parks service. Our school system.  Then I stopped paying attention, where it went.  To Veterans.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: corbe on January 30, 2019, 03:40:03 PM
   @LegalAmerican your quote below (the bolded part) is pure unadulterated BS, way too many words and syllables for a Trump sound bite, I'd be really surprised if he EVER mentioned the Constitution during his campaign.

Quote
Trump has always said; These are his plans and WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION..he hopes to achieve his agenda.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on January 30, 2019, 03:41:11 PM
I know.  HE is not taking any salary for himself.  Most went back to government. Our parks service. Our school system.  Then I stopped paying attention, where it went.  To Veterans.

So the assertion that "We the American people have saved a million dollars on that alone" is absurd. 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 03:45:24 PM
Trump donates quarterly salary to Small Business Administration ...
https://thehill.com/.../409699-trump-donates-quarterly-salary-to-small-business-admin... (https://thehill.com/.../409699-trump-donates-quarterly-salary-to-small-business-admin...)
Oct 3, 2018 - Trump has donated each of his quarterly salaries to different areas of the government since taking office. The president donated his salary from ...


Trump salary donated to veterans business program - Stripes
https://www.stripes.com/trump-salary-donated-to-veterans-business-program-1.550237 (https://www.stripes.com/trump-salary-donated-to-veterans-business-program-1.550237)
Oct 3, 2018 - WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump has donated a portion of his annual ... “This money is going to be used in our veterans program.



Donald Trump donates salary to Department of Transportation
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/.../02/...trump...salary.../334379002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/.../02/...trump...salary.../334379002/)

Feb 13, 2018 - Since taking office, Trump has donated each of his salaries to federal agencies. His previous donations have gone to the National Park Service ...

President Trump donates first quarter salary to VA - CNNPolitics
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/17/politics/trump-donation-veterans.../index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/17/politics/trump-donation-veterans.../index.html)
May 17, 2018 - President Donald Trump has donated a quarter's worth of his salary to the Department of Veterans Affairs, press secretary Sarah Sanders said ...

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 30, 2019, 03:46:13 PM
So the assertion that "We the American people have saved a million dollars on that alone" is absurd.


NO.  IT MOSTLY WENT BACK TO OUR GOVERNMENT. Read links

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on January 30, 2019, 03:49:46 PM

NO.  IT MOSTLY WENT BACK TO OUR GOVERNMENT. Read links

The American people...the American taxpayers weren't  given any kind of savings because of the donations of Trumps salary.

That money was still spent...it wasn't returned to the people that allow his salary to be paid.  There was no savings anywhere.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on January 30, 2019, 04:11:54 PM

NO.  IT MOSTLY WENT BACK TO OUR GOVERNMENT. Read links

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER I PAY PETER OR I PAY PAUL, I'M STILL PAYING SOMEONE AND NOT SAVING A DIME. 
Also, why are we shouting??

The American people...the American taxpayers weren't  given any kind of savings because of the donations of Trumps salary.

That money was still spent...it wasn't returned to the people that allow his salary to be paid.  There was no savings anywhere.
:beer:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on January 30, 2019, 04:33:12 PM
@Bigun

There was no way Trump or anyone else was going to make that happen since the entire DNC and their financial backers would have to be named as co-conspirators. Trump would have better luck flapping his arms and flying to the moon.

There is also no way you didn't understand that all along.

What *I* would like would be to see her,Bubba,and a whole BUNCH of other political creatures from both parties indicted,imprisoned,and in some cases,backed against a wall and shot for committing treason and selling their offices to the highest bidders.

Ain't going to happen though,no matter how hard I wish,so I am just going to have to be happy with any gains we can make to "Re-Americanize" America.

@sneakypete

If that's true then we might as well turn out the lights and lock the door because the USA wee knew is dead and gone foreer.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 30, 2019, 04:54:01 PM
@sneakypete

If that's true then we might as well turn out the lights and lock the door because the USA wee knew is dead and gone foreer.

@Bigun

It's true. Anybody that doesn't think so believes Cinderella was a documentary.

Do YOU seriously think the political leadership of the Dim Party OR the alleged Republican Party is going to ever allow senior members to be investigated and brought up on corruption charges? Slick Willie is the closest we ever came,and the Senators refused to even go to the room to look at the evidence.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on January 30, 2019, 05:05:54 PM
@Bigun

It's true. Anybody that doesn't think so believes Cinderella was a documentary.

Do YOU seriously think the political leadership of the Dim Party OR the alleged Republican Party is going to ever allow senior members to be investigated and brought up on corruption charges? Slick Willie is the closest we ever came,and the Senators refused to even go to the room to look at the evidence.

I guess I'm just having trouble coming to grips with the idea that my country is dead.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 30, 2019, 05:12:08 PM
I guess I'm just having trouble coming to grips with the idea that my country is dead.

At least half the country is.  Brain-dead anyway. :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: sneakypete on January 30, 2019, 06:18:16 PM
I guess I'm just having trouble coming to grips with the idea that my country is dead.

@Bigun

I ain't  happy about it either,but anyone that takes a cold,unemotional look at what has been going on for the last 20 years or so HAS to come to the conclusion that America is nothing more than an illusion anymore,kept in place because certain people invested a lot of time and money into taking it over.

It is POSSIBLE for us to still get it back,but will we? I'd like to think so,but it's not something  I would bet on.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 30, 2019, 06:54:05 PM
I guess I'm just having trouble coming to grips with the idea that my country is dead.

I hear you.  I'm having trouble as well.  You fought much longer and harder than I did.  People failed to listen and to understand.  I don't know if most people even realize that our country is lost and sadly, do they even care? 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on January 30, 2019, 06:56:06 PM
@Bigun

I ain't  happy about it either,but anyone that takes a cold,unemotional look at what has been going on for the last 20 years or so HAS to come to the conclusion that America is nothing more than an illusion anymore,kept in place because certain people invested a lot of time and money into taking it over.

It is POSSIBLE for us to still get it back,but will we? I'd like to think so,but it's not something  I would bet on.

Anything is possible, but short of a miracle and Divine intervention, I see it as highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 02, 2019, 06:57:33 PM
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER I PAY PETER OR I PAY PAUL, I'M STILL PAYING SOMEONE AND NOT SAVING A DIME. 
Also, why are we shouting??
 :beer:

Depends how you choose to frame things. DID ANY OF YOU PAY FOR PARKS SERVICE. NO.  Give money to VETERANS?   NO.  YOU didn't spend YOUR MONEY...IT SAVED TAXPAYERS MONEY, NOT TO PAY FOR THOSE ITEMS.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 02, 2019, 07:02:28 PM
Bigun.  Mitt Romney is helping destroy America. He violates ARTICLE 12 in ARTICLE OF FAITH.  LDS also support bringing in muslims, ILLEGALS.  So, lets all sing 'kum by ya".   LDS has compound in Mexico. Mitts dad was born there. Many still visit yearly on vacation.  ALL GLOBALISTS.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on February 02, 2019, 07:17:17 PM
Bigun.  Mitt Romney is helping destroy America. He violates ARTICLE 12 in ARTICLE OF FAITH.  LDS also support bringing in muslims, ILLEGALS.  So, lets all sing 'kum by ya".   LDS has compound in Mexico. Mitts dad was born there. Many still visit yearly on vacation.  ALL GLOBALISTS.

Not trying to butt in, butt your post makes me very curious. What is Article 12 in Article of Faith??  My husband grew up in Utah and for a period of time I worked with members of the LDS church up in Alaska.  I was always under the assumption that the LDS pretty much stuck together and was exclusionary.  Why would they allow Muslims and illegals??
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 02, 2019, 07:21:51 PM
Bigun.  Mitt Romney is helping destroy America. He violates ARTICLE 12 in ARTICLE OF FAITH.  LDS also support bringing in muslims, ILLEGALS.  So, lets all sing 'kum by ya".   LDS has compound in Mexico. Mitts dad was born there. Many still visit yearly on vacation.  ALL GLOBALISTS.

You are nuttier than a port-a-potty at a peanut eating festival.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on February 02, 2019, 07:22:45 PM
Not trying to butt in, butt your post makes me very curious. What is Article 12 in Article of Faith??  My husband grew up in Utah and for a period of time I worked with members of the LDS church up in Alaska.  I was always under the assumption that the LDS pretty much stuck together and was exclusionary.  Why would they allow Muslims and illegals??

@libertybele

@LegalAmerican doesn't have the most remote clue as to what she is talking about here. None, zero, NADA.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on February 02, 2019, 07:23:57 PM
@libertybele

@LegalAmerican doesn't have the most remote clue as to what she is talking about here. None, zero, NADA.

Thank you.  I always trust your "word".
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: EdJames on February 02, 2019, 07:24:07 PM
Glad to see that I am not the only one that viewed that bizarre post as being out of place, to say the least!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 02, 2019, 07:25:39 PM
@libertybele

@LegalAmerican doesn't have the most remote clue as to what she is talking about here. None, zero, NADA.

That one set up residency on another planet some time ago.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 02, 2019, 07:26:02 PM
So the assertion that "We the American people have saved a million dollars on that alone" is absurd.
[/quote
[/b]

Nope. Lets try this, and I said ALMOST one million. His salary yearly is 400 K plus 'perks.  So, lets say HE POCKETED his 800 K, and  still funded the Veterans , Parks Service, School system. etc.  We would have PAID again from government those amounts.   You and YOUR ABSURD POSTS.  lol

We did not fund, Parks service , Veterans, School with more government funds, So we "saved" paying that extra money.

You just refuse to give President TRUMP any credit.  800 thousand put in his pocket and OR  funding government AGAIN with that same amount,  We saved 800 K....does not matter how it was spent.

  IF IT WENT INTO HIS POCKET...YOU WOULD HAVE PAID FOR ALL THE REST.   It would have been double expense.

800 K for his salary,  (gone into his pocket so forget about that 800 K )  ADDITIONAL 800 K. funding those government agency's.   800 K salary expense. 800 K government agency expense.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on February 02, 2019, 07:29:55 PM
You are nuttier than a port-a-potty at a peanut eating festival.

and there is that as well.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on February 02, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2cMG33mWVY#)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: roamer_1 on February 02, 2019, 08:20:34 PM
You are nuttier than a port-a-potty at a peanut eating festival.

I would have said 'rat turd in a pistachio factory'... but yeah.
 :beer:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on February 03, 2019, 02:27:25 PM
Depends how you choose to frame things. DID ANY OF YOU PAY FOR PARKS SERVICE. NO.  Give money to VETERANS?   NO.  YOU didn't spend YOUR MONEY...IT SAVED TAXPAYERS MONEY, NOT TO PAY FOR THOSE ITEMS.

You.just.don't.get.it.

The Parks Service...th VA...ANY taxpayer funded agency where Trump has donated his taxpayer funded salary still got their normal budget.

There's not a notation on their budgets that X amount of your budget is being reduced because the President donated $100K of his salary to your agency.

There was no net savings to the American taxpayer in any way shape or form.  On top of however many millions of dollars that agency/department/service got...they received a bonus amount of $100K.

The tax payers weren't saved any money...the money they were taxed was just redirected somewhere else.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on February 03, 2019, 02:41:12 PM
You.just.don't.get.it.

The Parks Service...th VA...ANY taxpayer funded agency where Trump has donated his taxpayer funded salary still got their normal budget.

There's not a notation on their budgets that X amount of your budget is being reduced because the President donated $100K of his salary to your agency.

There was no net savings to the American taxpayer in any way shape or form.  On top of however many millions of dollars that agency/department/service got...they received a bonus amount of $100K.

The tax payers weren't saved any money...the money they were taxed was just redirected somewhere else.

I think I'm just going to talk to you, instead, @txradioguy
You at least understand basic math.
 :beer:

Edited to add:  Wait, that didn't come out right.  I meant to say that at least there is SOMEONE here that understands basic math, as opposed to the person I was talking to earlier.  You understand a great deal more than just basic math!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on February 03, 2019, 02:47:04 PM
I think I'm just going to talk to you, instead, @txradioguy
You at least understand basic math.
 :beer:

Edited to add:  Wait, that didn't come out right.  I meant to say that at least there is SOMEONE here that understands basic math, as opposed to the person I was talking to earlier.  You understand a great deal more than just basic math!  :laugh:

  :silly:

It's ok @Polly Ticks I knew what you were trying to say.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: roamer_1 on February 03, 2019, 04:31:29 PM
  :silly:

It's ok @Polly Ticks I knew what you were trying to say.

 :beer:

Yeah... at LEAST you get basic communications...
 :silly: :beer: :seeya:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on February 03, 2019, 08:31:49 PM
Yeah... at LEAST you get basic communications...
 :silly: :beer: :seeya:

Apparently, I resemble that remark!
 :seeya:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: roamer_1 on February 04, 2019, 11:31:37 AM
Apparently, I resemble that remark!
 :seeya:

 :tongue2:
 :beer:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 05, 2019, 03:21:02 PM
I know basic math.  If 800 k is taken from government , into a private pocket...than another 800 K is taken from government to fund our public schools, public parks, Veterans.....that is TWO expenses to us.   Duh.   $ 1,600,000.00  V  800 K.

TWO EXPENSES OF 800 K  EACH, OR JUST ONE expense.   You just don't want to give president any credit.  More snarky responses? 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 05, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
I know basic math.  If 800 k is taken from government , into a private pocket...than another 800 K is taken from government to fund our public schools, public parks, Veterans.....that is TWO expenses to us.   Duh.   $ 1,600,000.00  V  800 K.

TWO EXPENSES OF 800 K  EACH, OR JUST ONE expense.   You just don't want to give president any credit.  More snarky responses?

By that math:

If I lend you $100, and you lend "Ted" $100 bucks, and I borrow $100 from Ted, that would mean there's $300 in total debt.

The above example is 100% snark-free.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on February 05, 2019, 03:29:48 PM
I know basic math.  If 800 k is taken from government , into a private pocket...than another 800 K is taken from government to fund our public schools, public parks, Veterans.....that is a savings to us.   Duh.   $ 1,600,000.00  V  800 K.

TWO EXPENSES OF 800 K  EACH.  You just don't want to give president any credit.

OK, one last time, and then I'm done trying to explain it to you.

The salary that Trump is donating to the VA, the Parks Service, or whoever else he chooses does not mean that the publicly funded budget for those departments are reduced by a corresponding amount.  Those departments still get their approved funds.  They just get a "bonus" amount from the salary that Trump donates.

The taxpayers pay the same.  There is no net savings.  The money that Trump receives is redirected elsewhere (and that is to his credit, for the record), but there is not a single dollar of savings to the American people, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU USE THE CAPS LOCK.  Duh.



Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on February 05, 2019, 03:39:28 PM
I know basic math.

No clearly you don't despite several people trying to explain things to you.

You just don't want to give president any credit.[/quote]

That's not even close to what is going on here. 


Quote
More snarky responses?

Only if you keep acting obtuse about this.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: verga on February 05, 2019, 04:49:35 PM
OK, one last time, and then I'm done trying to explain it to you.

The salary that Trump is donating to the VA, the Parks Service, or whoever else he chooses does not mean that the publicly funded budget for those departments are reduced by a corresponding amount.  Those departments still get their approved funds.  They just get a "bonus" amount from the salary that Trump donates.

The taxpayers pay the same.  There is no net savings.  The money that Trump receives is redirected elsewhere (and that is to his credit, for the record), but there is not a single dollar of savings to the American people, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU USE THE CAPS LOCK.  Duh.
Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on February 05, 2019, 05:05:13 PM
Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC


Guarantees another audit and excuse for non-release.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 12:22:53 AM
By that math:

If I lend you $100, and you lend "Ted" $100 bucks, and I borrow $100 from Ted, that would mean there's $300 in total debt.

The above example is 100% snark-free.

Now you are being silly.  There is NO LENDING of 800 K to president TRUMP.  That is his salary.  He can keep it private for himself.  Then government spend  ANOTHER 800 K using it for other government programs. 

Your example makes zero sense.  No snark.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 07, 2019, 12:30:35 AM
Now you are being silly.  There is NO LENDING of 800 K to president TRUMP.  That is his salary.  He can keep it private for himself.  Then government spend  ANOTHER 800 K using it for other government programs. 

Your example makes zero sense.  No snark.
Girl, you are a couple of dilithium crystals short of a warp core.

I know you have no idea what I just said, and that proves my point.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 12:36:25 AM
Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC


What write off? He doesn't need it. Can't 'use" it.   I wish he would START taking his salary. He works 100 hour weeks & started working BEFORE his inauguration.  None of the Trumps take any salary from taxpayers.  Sad. NONE OF YOU APPRECIATE HIS KINDNESS.  I hope he starts taking his SALARY.  Then you can all be 'losers"and pay for it.
I think, they ALL SHOULD TAKE A SALARY.  Never seen so much nasty about a man doing a gracious thing.

Most Americans don't deserve president Trump, nor the help of his family. Foreigners write on youtube, they wish they had a TRUMP in their country. Taiwan, Australia, France, Canada, So.Africa, Scotland, Germany, etc. 
That you can't even give the man credit for this, is shameful. Nasty. Something wrong with you all, if you can't.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 07, 2019, 12:39:16 AM

What write off? He doesn't need it. Can't 'use" it.   I wish he would START taking his salary. He works 100 hour weeks & started working BEFORE his inauguration.  None of the Trumps take any salary from taxpayers.  Sad. NONE OF YOU APPRECIATE HIS KINDNESS.  I hope he starts taking his SALARY.  Then you can all be 'losers"and pay for it.
I think, they ALL SHOULD TAKE A SALARY.  Never seen so much nasty about a man doing a gracious thing.

Most Americans don't deserve president Trump, nor the help of his family. Foreigners write on youtube, they wish they had a TRUMP in their country. Taiwan, Australia, France, Canada, So.Africa, Scotland, Germany, etc. 
That you can't even give the man credit for this, is shameful. Nasty. Something wrong with you all, if you can't.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
Are you informationally deprived or were you born that way?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 12:42:39 AM
OK, one last time, and then I'm done trying to explain it to you.

The salary that Trump is donating to the VA, the Parks Service, or whoever else he chooses does not mean that the publicly funded budget for those departments are reduced by a corresponding amount.  Those departments still get their approved funds.  They just get a "bonus" amount from the salary that Trump donates.

The taxpayers pay the same.  There is no net savings.  The money that Trump receives is redirected elsewhere (and that is to his credit, for the record), but there is not a single dollar of savings to the American people, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU USE THE CAPS LOCK.  Duh.





One more time.  Lets say, he TAKES HIS SALARY.  His private money.  Does not put it back into government. HIS MONEY FOR HIS PRIVATE USE.   Then, another 800 K is used by government to fund these programs. 

800  K. HIS SALARY EXPENSE.

800 K  GOVERNMENT FUNDING EXPENSE FOR Programs.

 TWO EXPENSES.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: roamer_1 on February 07, 2019, 12:46:38 AM
Girl, you are a couple of dilithium crystals short of a warp core.

I know you have no idea what I just said, and that proves my point.

I noticed 'lithium' in your reply. Jussayin.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 07, 2019, 12:49:53 AM


Are you deaf, dumb, and blonde? 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 07, 2019, 12:54:27 AM
I noticed 'lithium' in your reply. Jussayin.


She needs a script for it!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: verga on February 07, 2019, 05:53:33 AM

What write off? He doesn't need it. Can't 'use" it.   I wish he would START taking his salary. He works 100 hour weeks & started working BEFORE his inauguration.  None of the Trumps take any salary from taxpayers.  Sad. NONE OF YOU APPRECIATE HIS KINDNESS.  I hope he starts taking his SALARY.  Then you can all be 'losers"and pay for it.
I think, they ALL SHOULD TAKE A SALARY.  Never seen so much nasty about a man doing a gracious thing.

Most Americans don't deserve president Trump, nor the help of his family. Foreigners write on youtube, they wish they had a TRUMP in their country. Taiwan, Australia, France, Canada, So.Africa, Scotland, Germany, etc. 
That you can't even give the man credit for this, is shameful. Nasty. Something wrong with you all, if you can't.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
Seriously are you blind and stupid did you not see the "Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC"
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Night Hides Not on February 07, 2019, 10:02:39 AM

What write off? He doesn't need it. Can't 'use" it.   I wish he would START taking his salary. He works 100 hour weeks & started working BEFORE his inauguration.  None of the Trumps take any salary from taxpayers.  Sad. NONE OF YOU APPRECIATE HIS KINDNESS.  I hope he starts taking his SALARY.  Then you can all be 'losers"and pay for it.
I think, they ALL SHOULD TAKE A SALARY.  Never seen so much nasty about a man doing a gracious thing.

Most Americans don't deserve president Trump, nor the help of his family. Foreigners write on youtube, they wish they had a TRUMP in their country. Taiwan, Australia, France, Canada, So.Africa, Scotland, Germany, etc. 
That you can't even give the man credit for this, is shameful. Nasty. Something wrong with you all, if you can't.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)

It would be better for the country if his "family" would stay the hell out of it. Jared, Ivanka, and Donald Jr. are there to capitalize on Dad being POTUS, just like it's been done with almost every past President over the past 50-60 years.

They are all DEMOCRATS!!! Once you understand that, it's easier to look at the situation with your mind, instead of your heart.

POTUS is an 168 hour a week job, but to say he's putting in 100 hour weeks is a stretch. A good chunk of that time is watching TV and writing tweets. A reasonable person would not call that "work".
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: txradioguy on February 07, 2019, 10:05:05 AM




One more time.  Lets say, he TAKES HIS SALARY.  His private money.  Does not put it back into government. HIS MONEY FOR HIS PRIVATE USE.   Then, another 800 K is used by government to fund these programs. 

800  K. HIS SALARY EXPENSE.

800 K  GOVERNMENT FUNDING EXPENSE FOR Programs.

 TWO EXPENSES.

You should really...seriously...stop trying to do math in public.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 07, 2019, 10:07:03 AM
It would be better for the country if his "family" would stay the hell out of it. Jared, Ivanka, and Donald Jr. are there to capitalize on Dad being POTUS, just like it's been done with almost every past President over the past 50-60 years.

They are all DEMOCRATS!!! Once you understand that, it's easier to look at the situation with your mind, instead of your heart.

POTUS is an 168 hour a week job, but to say he's putting in 100 hour weeks is a stretch. A good chunk of that time is watching TV and writing tweets. A reasonable person would not call that "work".

Of course that's "work". It's a Government job.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on February 07, 2019, 11:33:56 AM




One more time.  Lets say, he TAKES HIS SALARY.  His private money.  Does not put it back into government. HIS MONEY FOR HIS PRIVATE USE.   Then, another 800 K is used by government to fund these programs. 

800  K. HIS SALARY EXPENSE.

800 K  GOVERNMENT FUNDING EXPENSE FOR Programs.

 TWO EXPENSES.

Since the concepts aren't sinking in, let's try a real-world example where only the numbers are changed.

My company pays me a salary.  For the purposes of illustration, let's say they pay me $800K.  I choose to tithe to my church.  For the purposes of illustration, let's say I tithe at 100% and give my church $800K.  Just because I give $800K to my church does not, in fact, mean that my company does not pay my salary of $800K.  My company has had a net savings of $0.

Spoiler alert - in the above example, my company would equate to the American taxpayers, I would play the part of Trump, and my church is the stand-in for the VA/Parks Services/anywhere else that Trump donates his salary.

You are getting confused with real savings versus opportunity costs.  I will agree that the VA, Parks Department, or whoever else that Trump donates his salary to can then use that money to pay for things they might not otherwise have been able to.  Just like my church can use the money I tithe to them to buy additional Christmas baskets and send missionaries to Nepal.  But once more for posterity, the net savings to my company is $0.  They still have an expenditure on their balance sheet for my salary, just like the taxpayers still have an expenditure for Trump's salary.

You also appear to be assuming that if Trump doesn't donate his salary and keeps it for his own personal use instead, then the government would for some reason provide an equal amount of money to those departments.  And that is patently untrue.  In our earlier example, if I choose not to tithe my salary and keep it in my own pocket instead, my company does not provide an amount equal to my salary to my church so we can buy Christmas baskets and send missionaries to Nepal.  That's the opportunity that is lost if I keep my full salary for myself, but my company is not part of that equation.

AND SHOUTING IN ALL-CAPS OR BOLD TYPE WILL STILL NEVER CHANGE THAT FACT.


Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on February 07, 2019, 11:39:14 AM
I don't know why y'all keep trying.  Those who can't, don't and those who don't want to, don't. 
(https://s16-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fimgs.xkcd.com%2Fcomics%2Fduty_calls.png&sp=02b3289089f97a3737f23fac8476e2fc)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Mod1 on February 07, 2019, 11:53:27 AM
I'm getting pretty bored with it.  TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.

Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread.  If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored. 

 :boring:
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on February 07, 2019, 12:09:59 PM
I'm getting pretty bored with it.  TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.

Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread.  If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored. 

 :boring:

LOL!  But the poster being schooled here isn't even close to ready for Econ. 101!  Maybe 1st-grade arithmetic.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on February 07, 2019, 12:30:33 PM
I'm getting pretty bored with it.  TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.

Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread.  If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored. 

 :boring:

(https://pics.me.me/facts-dont-care-about-your-feelings-ben-shapiro-turning-point-32693288.png)

[Kidding!!  Don't tase me!!  :laugh: ]

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: bigheadfred on February 07, 2019, 12:59:39 PM
I'm getting pretty bored with it.  TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.

Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread.  If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored. 

 :boring:

Come visit with me for a couple of days.  Bring your own Valium.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: musiclady on February 07, 2019, 01:45:48 PM
Since the concepts aren't sinking in, let's try a real-world example where only the numbers are changed.

My company pays me a salary.  For the purposes of illustration, let's say they pay me $800K.  I choose to tithe to my church.  For the purposes of illustration, let's say I tithe at 100% and give my church $800K.  Just because I give $800K to my church does not, in fact, mean that my company does not pay my salary of $800K.  My company has had a net savings of $0.

Spoiler alert - in the above example, my company would equate to the American taxpayers, I would play the part of Trump, and my church is the stand-in for the VA/Parks Services/anywhere else that Trump donates his salary.

You are getting confused with real savings versus opportunity costs.  I will agree that the VA, Parks Department, or whoever else that Trump donates his salary to can then use that money to pay for things they might not otherwise have been able to.  Just like my church can use the money I tithe to them to buy additional Christmas baskets and send missionaries to Nepal.  But once more for posterity, the net savings to my company is $0.  They still have an expenditure on their balance sheet for my salary, just like the taxpayers still have an expenditure for Trump's salary.

You also appear to be assuming that if Trump doesn't donate his salary and keeps it for his own personal use instead, then the government would for some reason provide an equal amount of money to those departments.  And that is patently untrue.  In our earlier example, if I choose not to tithe my salary and keep it in my own pocket instead, my company does not provide an amount equal to my salary to my church so we can buy Christmas baskets and send missionaries to Nepal.  That's the opportunity that is lost if I keep my full salary for myself, but my company is not part of that equation.

AND SHOUTING IN ALL-CAPS OR BOLD TYPE WILL STILL NEVER CHANGE THAT FACT.

I  learned a lot from this post @Polly Ticks ! Thanks!   wink777

Seriously, as a semi-math challenged Briefer, who is, at the same time, educable, there have been many good explanations as to why the poster in question is wrong.

The  problem is that not all wrong people are educable.......
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: libertybele on February 07, 2019, 02:13:14 PM
I  learned a lot from this post @Polly Ticks ! Thanks!   wink777

Seriously, as a semi-math challenged Briefer, who is, at the same time, educable, there have been many good explanations as to why the poster in question is wrong.

The  problem is that not all wrong people are educable.......

I thought he was yanking everybody's chain and then I realized he was serious. So .... I left the explanations and logic alone.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Polly Ticks on February 07, 2019, 02:20:02 PM
I  learned a lot from this post @Polly Ticks ! Thanks!   wink777

Seriously, as a semi-math challenged Briefer, who is, at the same time, educable, there have been many good explanations as to why the poster in question is wrong.

The  problem is that not all wrong people are educable.......

I thought he was yanking everybody's chain and then I realized he was serious. So .... I left the explanations and logic alone.

Y'all are right, of course.  Definitely time to walk away. As a bonus, I've never had a Mod fuss at me before so there's a milestone!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Night Hides Not on February 07, 2019, 06:13:05 PM
LOL!  But the poster being schooled here isn't even close to ready for Econ. 101!  Maybe 1st-grade arithmetic.


My first academic advisor was an economics professor, Dr. Erwin Graue. He was a spry 77 years old when I met him for the first time in 1972. Ask any Gonzaga alum who was there during Dr. Graue's tenure, and I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that at least 95% would recite these famous words, mimicking his pronounced German accent:


There are no free lunches!


I took his Macroeconomics class. Helluva teacher, but he could be brutal when you gave him the wrong answer. With a class size of five students, there was nowhere to hide.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Sanguine on February 07, 2019, 09:17:47 PM

My first academic advisor was an economics professor, Dr. Erwin Graue. He was a spry 77 years old when I met him for the first time in 1972. Ask any Gonzaga alum who was there during Dr. Graue's tenure, and I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that at least 95% would recite these famous words, mimicking his pronounced German accent:


There are no free lunches!


I took his Macroeconomics class. Helluva teacher, but he could be brutal when you gave him the wrong answer. With a class size of five students, there was nowhere to hide.

I really appreciate that kind of people. 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 09:47:56 PM
Seriously are you blind and stupid did you not see the "Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC"

Did not know what SARC...was.  Yes, almost blind with cataracts.  Do you have some money for me for the surgery? 
No NOT STUPID....I guess you meant  SARCASM....I don't do texting on cell phone, so I did not 'get' SARC MEANING.

Shame on you. 
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 10:01:29 PM
I'm getting pretty bored with it.  TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.

Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread.  If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored. 

 :boring:

.................. :thumbsup:  I worked 8 years in Banks & Savings & Loans. 3 years Realtor. The rest in private business as accountant & worked years at CPA company's, doing book work and preparing taxes. 1040, 1040X, 1040S, 1065, 501's, 990, business forms. Fica, reports , etc.  Balanced to the penny. I am done.

Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on February 07, 2019, 10:12:08 PM
.................. :thumbsup:  I worked 8 years in Banks & Savings & Loans. 3 years Realtor.


The cause of the S&L crisis, TARP, and housing collapse all make sense to me now.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Bigun on February 07, 2019, 10:14:13 PM

The cause of the S&L crisis, TARP, and housing collapse all make sense to me now.

To coin a phrase, Top Notch!  ROLMFAO!!!!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 07, 2019, 10:19:15 PM

The cause of the S&L crisis, TARP, and housing collapse all make sense to me now.

Sometimes you are really good.  And this was that one time.  888high58888
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on February 07, 2019, 10:29:08 PM
Sometimes you are really good.  And this was that one time.  888high58888


All credit goes to the real hero of the story....


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Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 07, 2019, 10:44:45 PM

All credit goes to the real hero of the story....


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With you and Bigun's Turkey 101... you both have found a friend in Jesus!
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Night Hides Not on February 07, 2019, 11:05:28 PM

The cause of the S&L crisis, TARP, and housing collapse all make sense to me now.

To coin a phrase, that's what you call leading with your chin.

ETA: Knowing how to do tax returns, and understanding economics do not go hand in hand. Where I stood out with my clients was explaining what their numbers actually meant, as opposed to pencil pushers that merely filled out the forms.

I didn't sit for the CPA until 15 years after graduation, due to military service and other pursuits. Shortly after I hired on to a CPA firm, the partners had me dealing directly with clients. Saved time and clients were happy with the work I did for them.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 07, 2019, 11:07:29 PM
I wonder if this thread can last into the upcoming shutdown?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Night Hides Not on February 07, 2019, 11:16:58 PM
I wonder if this thread can last into the upcoming shutdown?

You really expect another shutdown?
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 07, 2019, 11:19:40 PM
You really expect another shutdown?

Sure. Why not? Dreams can come true twice.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 02:56:43 AM
Sure. Why not? Dreams can come true twice.


As with the 3 week CR capitulation, prepare for yet another letdown on Trump’s resolve.


“We really have until, basically, Sunday to file the papers. So they’re going to have to in the next 24 to 48 hours agree, if there’s going to be a deal,” said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the party whip. “I hate to raise expectations, but there’s growing optimism that there may be something there.”

That makes it all the more likely that Trump will be forced to choose between two unpalatable options: a bipartisan deal served up by lawmakers, or executive action that falls short of an emergency declaration. A more modest executive order has been under review by the White House counsel’s office for weeks, which Mulvaney has termed “legal executive authority.” Both choices are likely to provide much less money than what the president has been demanding for a border wall.


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/07/white-house-trump-shutdown-deal-1157829 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/07/white-house-trump-shutdown-deal-1157829)
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: RoosGirl on February 08, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
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Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Once-Ler on February 08, 2019, 02:55:54 PM
@RoosGirl
I came back to recycle my posts for next week.
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 08, 2019, 03:13:35 PM
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Is this dumpster fire still burning??
Title: Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
Post by: The Ghost on February 08, 2019, 03:21:57 PM
Is this dumpster fire still burning??

Is "Baby Come Back" by Player a hit?