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Title: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2019, 03:29:18 PM
Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
By Jordan Fabian - 01/11/19 03:13 PM EST

President Trump on Friday said he might hold off on declaring a national emergency to circumvent Congress and begin building his long-promised border wall, at least for the time being.
 
Trump told reporters at the White House that he has the authority to make an emergency declaration to jump-start wall construction, but said, “I’m not going to do it so fast.”
 
The president reiterated that he prefers to work out a deal with Democrats in Congress, even though no agreement appears to be in sight after the partial government shutdown stretched into its 21st day.
 
“We want Congress to do its job,” Trump said. “What we're not looking to do right now is national emergency.”
 
The president's comments come even as some of his close GOP allies have urged him to make the declaration, saying that negotiations with congressional Democrats have become hopeless.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424973-trump-on-declaring-national-emergency-not-going-to-do-it-so-fast
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: ABX on January 11, 2019, 03:41:21 PM
I guess it isn't a crisis like he says it is. Obama declared a national emergency over the swine flu. It isn't as important as that in Trump's mind?  Maybe, like most politicians, he wants the issue, not the solution.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: RoosGirl on January 11, 2019, 03:51:10 PM
The master negotiator.  FFS   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: The Ghost on January 11, 2019, 04:06:26 PM
The master negotiator.  FFS   *****rollingeyes*****

Don't you have some F-body parts to prep.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: edpc on January 11, 2019, 04:25:18 PM
The Office of Management and Budget is gearing up for the partial shutdown to continue through February, and aides have discussed using Trump's Jan. 29 State of the Union to admonish Democrats over their opposition to his $5.7 billion request for border wall funding.



He received an unequivocal ‘no’ from Pelosi about funding, specifically for a wall. That was the moment to declare a national emergency. If he uses the SOTU speech to admonish, but not declare the emergency, he can’t be taken seriously. He had a Republican led House for two years.

His legislative affairs director, Marc Short, quit because he knew they couldn’t get serious agenda issues though, even with the majority. They only passed this wall funding at the 11th hour, after many of them had quit or been defeated in the midterms. It’s just not credible to continue saying ‘cisis’ and ‘emergency,’ if he’s not going to take the action he keeps saying is within his authority.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: montanajoe on January 11, 2019, 04:29:22 PM
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: skeeter on January 11, 2019, 04:36:07 PM
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....

Please, the rats aren’t sitting around waiting for Trump to set precedence. They’ll do whatever suits them, they always have. Irregardless of what he does here or doesn’t do. IMO the border crisis is as good a reason to evoke this power as any.

I was willing to give trump a pass for being rolled during the last cycle as it was his first complete one. But given pelosis rather firm statement on the issue I’m less will to cut trump slack here. It’s crunchtime and if he doesn’t get it done he’s politically finished.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 11, 2019, 04:40:10 PM
Please, the rats aren’t sitting around waiting for Trump to set precedence. They’ll do whatever suits them, they always have. Irregardless of what he does here or doesn’t do. IMO the border crisis is as good a reason to evoke this power as any.

I was willing to give trump a pass for being rolled during the last cycle as it was his first complete one. But given pelosis rather firm statement on the issue I’m less will to cut trump slack here. It’s crunchtime and if he doesn’t get it done he’s politically finished.

I've been hearing many times, "This is not the hill to die on."

Well, this one is.  And I think he knows it.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: The Ghost on January 11, 2019, 04:41:51 PM
I've been hearing many times, "This is not the hill to die on."

Well, this one is.  And I think he knows it.

It is a beautiful Hill.  The best Hill.  If I was gonna die... I would want to die on a hill like this one.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: skeeter on January 11, 2019, 04:48:21 PM
I've been hearing many times, "This is not the hill to die on."

Well, this one is.  And I think he knows it.

There’s no doubt this is THE issue.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: musiclady on January 11, 2019, 04:49:13 PM
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....

Hear!  Hear!
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: RoosGirl on January 11, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
Don't you have some F-body parts to prep.

Ugh, that's a saga worth declaring a national emergency over also.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: ABX on January 11, 2019, 05:03:08 PM
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....

Yep.. remember how many times he said 'never again' last year when signing spending bills. He promised he would never sign another bill that didn't include wall funding, then he did it twice again with no wall funding, making the same promise.

I think he wants the issue to keep people fired up.

This is the first time he seems to be putting his foot down... but at that, he still hasn't actually been given a bill to sign or veto so we don't know yet if this will be a repeat of the December 2017, March 2018, or September 2018 spending bills with no wall funding.

Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: The Ghost on January 11, 2019, 05:34:46 PM
Ugh, that's a saga worth declaring a national emergency over also.

Been there. Done that.  Throw another thousand at it. The repeat.

Not to go off topic in a "political" forum but....

This is why I buy fully restored cars anymore.  Let them take the loss!
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: RoosGirl on January 11, 2019, 05:48:10 PM
Been there. Done that.  Throw another thousand at it. The repeat.

Not to go off topic in a "political" forum but....

This is why I buy fully restored cars anymore.  Let them take the loss!

That would be great advice if I were even at the point of starting the restore.  I'm still trying to get my damn garage finished.  I'm hoping the actual restore will make great memories for my little guy.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: The Ghost on January 11, 2019, 05:57:01 PM
That would be great advice if I were even at the point of starting the restore.  I'm still trying to get my damn garage finished.  I'm hoping the actual restore will make great memories for my little guy.


Well, not to sound cynical, well actually I do.... The best memories are bought.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: RoosGirl on January 11, 2019, 05:59:17 PM

Well, not to sound cynical, well actually I do.... The best memories are bought.

LOL  Well, if nothing else he can learn some new curse words from mommy.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Jazzhead on January 11, 2019, 06:00:48 PM
I guess it isn't a crisis like he says it is. Obama declared a national emergency over the swine flu. It isn't as important as that in Trump's mind?  Maybe, like most politicians, he wants the issue, not the solution.

Like Trump said, he wants Congress to DO ITS JOB.   Work out a flippin' deal.   The Wall for Dreamers.  Or something similar.  Until then, the shutdown will continue.   
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 11, 2019, 06:18:59 PM
  I'm hoping the actual restore will make great memories for my little guy.

Yeah. Great memories will be had when he is questioned by the judge during the divorce proceedings on who he wants to live with.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: The Ghost on January 11, 2019, 06:23:33 PM
Yeah. Great memories will be had when he is questioned by the judge during the divorce proceedings on who he wants to live with.

The one with the half completed restoration of an F-Car.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: RoosGirl on January 11, 2019, 06:24:30 PM
Yeah. Great memories will be had when he is questioned by the judge during the divorce proceedings on who he wants to live with.

I hope he picks daddy.  They're both really cramping my style.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: montanajoe on January 11, 2019, 08:49:52 PM
That would be great advice if I were even at the point of starting the restore.  I'm still trying to get my damn garage finished.  I'm hoping the actual restore will make great memories for my little guy.

Wish I had one of the vehicles of my youth, the memories of the backseat at the drive in still restore the little guy... :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: roamer_1 on January 11, 2019, 08:57:31 PM
Wish I had one of the vehicles of my youth, the memories of the backseat at the drive in still restore the little guy... :shrug:

LOL! Like I could fold up into a back seat nowadays... It might as well be Mount friggin Everest...
Fortunately, I don't have such memories... The vehicles of my youth were El Caminos or pickup trucks. Always had the luxury of a big back porch.

 888high58888
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 11, 2019, 09:53:53 PM
Yep.. remember how many times he said 'never again' last year when signing spending bills. He promised he would never sign another bill that didn't include wall funding, then he did it twice again with no wall funding, making the same promise.

I think he wants the issue to keep people fired up.

This is the first time he seems to be putting his foot down... but at that, he still hasn't actually been given a bill to sign or veto so we don't know yet if this will be a repeat of the December 2017, March 2018, or September 2018 spending bills with no wall funding.

Trump.  I hope this is not a lot of hot air and no action.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: montanajoe on January 11, 2019, 10:12:44 PM

.. he still hasn't actually been given a bill to sign or veto so we don't know yet if this will be a repeat of the December 2017, March 2018, or September 2018 spending bills with no wall funding.


They won't vote its all show, just wish these guys were better actors.. :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Emjay on January 11, 2019, 10:26:20 PM
I've been hearing many times, "This is not the hill to die on."

Well, this one is.  And I think he knows it.

He does know it.  This is just another attempt to put the blame directly where it belongs ... on the democrats who refuse to compromise on this issue.

He will use the national emergency option.  He wants to paint himself as being the reasonable one,, wanting to exhaust every option first.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Emjay on January 11, 2019, 10:31:27 PM
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....

Oh, come on.  If it was a dangerous precedent, why aren't we in danger from all the times it was used before for far less significant reasons.

You are just looking for reasons to blame Trump for this.  If he had done it when you suggest, you would have griped then also.

But since that time, we have had those huge caravans, formed and funded by Soros and company and that has brought the issue to even more importance.

Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 11, 2019, 10:57:44 PM
This will trigger the national emergency declaration:

Quote
Here comes the next caravan
Hotair, Jazz ShawPosted at 8:01 am on January 11, 2019

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/01/11/comes-next-caravan/ (https://hotair.com/archives/2019/01/11/comes-next-caravan/)

Quote
Mexico preparing for next “Migrant Caravan”
There is a potential public health crisis at the border, as infectious diseases are rampant and the number of sick migrants surge.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/mexico-preparing-for-next-migrant-caravan/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/mexico-preparing-for-next-migrant-caravan/)


Quote
WashPost: Another Honduran Caravan Starts Next Week
Breitbart, Jan 11, 2019

The Washington Post said the candidate migrants include Glen Muños. He told the Washington Post that “I’m young, and I want to know another place.” His older brother sneaked into the United States after traveling north with the 2018 caravan.
 
Democrats are expected to welcome the caravan — unless it causes swing voters to support Trump.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/11/washpost-another-honduran-caravan-starts-next-week/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/11/washpost-another-honduran-caravan-starts-next-week/)


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A new migrant caravan is forming in Central America ....
Washington Post, Jan 11, 2019

MEXICO CITY — Another migrant caravan is forming in Honduras, with plans to set out next week on a journey that will once again test the immigration policies of Mexico and the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/a-new-migrant-caravan-is-forming-in-central-america-with-plans-to-leave-next-week/2019/01/10/611024ba-137f-11e9-ab79-30cd4f7926f2_story.html?utm_term=.bfcb78e5006f (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/a-new-migrant-caravan-is-forming-in-central-america-with-plans-to-leave-next-week/2019/01/10/611024ba-137f-11e9-ab79-30cd4f7926f2_story.html?utm_term=.bfcb78e5006f)
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: libertybele on January 11, 2019, 10:59:13 PM
My two cents:

I read the article; first concern ... Kushner ... num nuts is advising him not to declare a National Emergency.  I don't trust him.  Obviously it will be tied up in court for months, delaying the wall.  Duh ... So ... right now the wall is being delayed anyways.  With the declaration, that's at least a start ... sitting and waiting for the DEMS is futile.  Chuckie isn't going to budge and neither is Turmp.  It's a stalemate.  The only way out of this mess is for Trump to use his authority - the sooner the better.

Trump's hesitation is concerning because IF he carries this on much longer and into the 2020 election, he will lose.  Then any chance of a wall is gone.

The blame game?? Possibly.  He took airtime to state his case and his trip to the border was filmed. Pick your side really; either your for the border (Trump) or your not (Pelosi). 
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: montanajoe on January 11, 2019, 11:42:04 PM
Oh, come on.  If it was a dangerous precedent, why aren't we in danger from all the times it was used before for far less significant reasons.

You are just looking for reasons to blame Trump for this.  If he had done it when you suggest, you would have griped then also.

But since that time, we have had those huge caravans, formed and funded by Soros and company and that has brought the issue to even more importance.

Whatever.. I'm a proud never Trump, he is an idiot and should never have been nominated let alone being elected...I will vote against Trump and for whoever his Dim opponent is is 2020... :shrug:

The GOP, from the current POS down are incapable of leading, the only thing they will accomplish by declaring a national emergency is to save the Dims the time and expense of going through the judicial process....but make no mistake they will have handed the Dims a gift and BTW the Country....

You GOP guys will play your inaction and blame game into the dust bowl political history...and will take down many good Conservatives with you..thanks asshats.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 12, 2019, 12:14:08 AM
Whatever.. I'm a proud never Trump, he is an idiot and should never have been nominated let alone being elected...I will vote against Trump and for whoever his Dim opponent is is 2020... :shrug:

The GOP, from the current POS down are incapable of leading, the only thing they will accomplish by declaring a national emergency is to save the Dims the time and expense of going through the judicial process....but make no mistake they will have handed the Dims a gift and BTW the Country....

You GOP guys will play your inaction and blame game into the dust bowl political history...and will take down many good Conservatives with you..thanks asshats



Are you VERY YOUNG?   If you don't vote for president TRUMP, don't vote at all. Don't know why you are so ANTI-AMERICAN.  Have the decency, compassion, some HEART and listen to this whole video.  DO YOU DARE? 
Have you hit the link, magapill.com   and still come away with your same attitude?  FACTS, MANY. WHY DO THEY SCARE YOU?  OR are paid by Soros?  I don''t understand your hate for a very good, productive, man. WORKING FOR NO PAY!

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=753&v=HOKc9ABCyH4#)
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 12, 2019, 12:20:22 AM
 3:48 PM - Today

Fact-free opposition.

Trump stands tall in keeping his campaign promise.

Can any Democrat tell us what sneaky ulterior motive Trump has for
fighting the Democrats to a budgetary standstill?

Is it racism? Trump employed people of all genders, ethnic groups, and
orientations, and made such people rich who worked for him.

Is it a payoff to a border wall construction company? They accused
Bush and Cheney of going to war to benefit a Reconstruction company!
So it's not beyond the Democrats to make such a claim. Nope, none of
them bothered.

Does Trump want a wall for his own safety? Nope, he lives in estates,
resorts, and penthouses. It's not for his safety, but for ours that he
fights for a wall.

Frankly none of the charges that people tossed at Trump were real.
They said he was only running to gain publicity for some future
reality show (nonsense, NBC cancelled The Apprentice out of spite and
loyalty to Hillary Clinton. Macy's and other stores cancelled Trump's
line of merchandize to show Democrats that they weren't racist like
Trump. He received no financial benefit from running.)

They said Trump had no intention of building a wall. They said Trump
was so lazy and inattentive that he didn't care if one even got built.
People like  XXXXX  lied every day for nearly three years over Trump not
wanting to build a wall. Yet here he stands, a man of principle,
seeking a wall for no other purpose than our safety, and the future of
our children.

Trump told the truth from the start, he will build that wall, barrier,
mesh, or drone defense net. The method doesn't matter, the result
does. A psychological warning to hordes of uneducated Latinos wanting
to empty out their worthless socialist hells and come here to force
their culture down our throats and make our country a ruin like theirs
are. A wall is not designed to stop all intruders, it also serves the
very real purpose of inducing your dumb illegal ass to stay put and
fix your bleep home before shitting all over ours. (If the culture
of Honduras or Guatemala has failed, why bring it here, intact?)

While people like XXXXX  (Montana?) have lied and lied and lied every day about
this man, Trump continues to fight for us, keeping his word, and
telling the truth every day in the face of mindless psychotic hatred.
The left sees him as the enemy, when he is the corrective to their
treason, lawlessness, and desire to harm our country and its innocent
citizens. Trump stands tall against treason most foul. And for this
they hate him. And us.

Never forget who is fighting for us, and who wants our country to fall
into deserved (their view) ruin. The contrast has never been clearer
between people like XXXXX, Ocasio-Cortez, Pelosi, Waters, Schumer, and
people on America's side like Cruz, Trump and Pence. I've never been
more proud of our heroes.


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Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2019, 01:21:43 AM
Whatever.. I'm a proud never Trump, he is an idiot and should never have been nominated let alone being elected...I will vote against Trump and for whoever his Dim opponent is is 2020... :shrug:

The GOP, from the current POS down are incapable of leading, the only thing they will accomplish by declaring a national emergency is to save the Dims the time and expense of going through the judicial process....but make no mistake they will have handed the Dims a gift and BTW the Country....

You GOP guys will play your inaction and blame game into the dust bowl political history...and will take down many good Conservatives with you..thanks asshats.

Exactly right.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2019, 01:26:27 AM
If you don't vote for president TRUMP, don't vote at all.

Oh hell no. I'll be voting alright. You can count on that.

Quote
Don't know why you are so ANTI-AMERICAN.  Have the decency, compassion, some HEART [...]  I don''t understand your hate [...]

Listen to all that EMOTING.  *****rollingeyes***** 
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 12, 2019, 01:33:43 AM
Please, the rats aren’t sitting around waiting for Trump to set precedence. They’ll do whatever suits them, they always have. Irregardless of what he does here or doesn’t do. IMO the border crisis is as good a reason to evoke this power as any.

I was willing to give trump a pass for being rolled during the last cycle as it was his first complete one. But given pelosis rather firm statement on the issue I’m less will to cut trump slack here. It’s crunchtime and if he doesn’t get it done he’s politically finished.


I don't understand your thinking. If president trump uses our constitution and the rule of law, and working WITH congress, why is it ALL ON HIM?  He is NOT A DICTATOR.  We have three branches of government.  Judges have defied him, and stopped a temp ban on terrorist  country people coming in the USA till properly vetted. Are the judges jobs over?
Are the democrats OVER?  IS PELOSI OVER?    Why go after ONE MAN?  I THINK that is our countries problem.

Where was he rolled over?  What cycle?  His astounding accomplishments, in 18 months overcome 8 years from prior presidents, so "if he can't get this done",  IT IS ALL OVER...FOR HIM???   Again, not a dictator.  It boggles my mind.

   WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)       Are you just talking?

Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: LegalAmerican on January 12, 2019, 01:38:11 AM
Some people were so worried that Trump would be a dictator, like OBAMA..WAS.   People were scared.  Now, that he is NOT like a dictator, follows the constitution..THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH EITHER.  Now, people WANT HIM TO ACT LIKE A DICTATOR.  I don't understand peoples reasoning.  SMH.


Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2019, 10:11:44 AM
Some people were so worried that Trump would be a dictator, like OBAMA..WAS.   People were scared.  Now, that he is NOT like a dictator, follows the constitution..THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH EITHER.  Now, people WANT HIM TO ACT LIKE A DICTATOR.  I don't understand peoples reasoning.  SMH.

Some folks would complain if they were hung by a new rope.

The President made this his signature promise from day 1 on the escalator.  This is his hill to die on.  It's not calling him a "dictator" to act on a crisis he, himself, declared years ago.  If he fails on this, he's not going to be reelected, that's a simple observation from somebody who wants him to succeed.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 12:34:38 PM
My two cents:

I read the article; first concern ... Kushner ... num nuts is advising him not to declare a National Emergency.  I don't trust him.  Obviously it will be tied up in court for months, delaying the wall.  Duh ... So ... right now the wall is being delayed anyways.  With the declaration, that's at least a start ... sitting and waiting for the DEMS is futile.  Chuckie isn't going to budge and neither is Turmp.  It's a stalemate.  The only way out of this mess is for Trump to use his authority - the sooner the better.

Trump's hesitation is concerning because IF he carries this on much longer and into the 2020 election, he will lose.  Then any chance of a wall is gone.

The blame game?? Possibly.  He took airtime to state his case and his trip to the border was filmed. Pick your side really; either your for the border (Trump) or your not (Pelosi).

Yes, Kushner is the one advising him to wait.  The longer he waits the more caravans arive.  Border patrol has to release the because there is no room.  He needs to start the wall now.  Waiting just gives Democrats time to mount legal fight.  We are going to have to wait for this to make its way through the courts.  He has two years to get it done.  Waiting only allows a number of new caravans to penetrate the border.  While we wait he needs to re-order troops back to the border.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 12:37:20 PM
Some people were so worried that Trump would be a dictator, like OBAMA..WAS.   People were scared.  Now, that he is NOT like a dictator, follows the constitution..THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH EITHER.  Now, people WANT HIM TO ACT LIKE A DICTATOR.  I don't understand peoples reasoning.  SMH.

What makes a declaration of emergency unconstitutional?
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: skeeter on January 12, 2019, 12:41:01 PM
What makes a declaration of emergency unconstitutional?

Nothing.

Given the situation as it is thats what he needs to do. Right now.

To hell with political appearances, does he mean to secure the border or not.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 12:49:05 PM

I don't understand your thinking. If president trump uses our constitution and the rule of law, and working WITH congress, why is it ALL ON HIM?  He is NOT A DICTATOR.  We have three branches of government.  Judges have defied him, and stopped a temp ban on terrorist  country people coming in the USA till properly vetted. Are the judges jobs over?
Are the democrats OVER?  IS PELOSI OVER?    Why go after ONE MAN?  I THINK that is our countries problem.

Where was he rolled over?  What cycle?  His astounding accomplishments, in 18 months overcome 8 years from prior presidents, so "if he can't get this done",  IT IS ALL OVER...FOR HIM???   Again, not a dictator.  It boggles my mind.

   WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)       Are you just talking?

You and your magapill.  The single most important issue people voted for is immigration.  Right now the rate of illegal immigrants entering the country either nearly or does cancel job growth for Americans.  We are in our fourth record breaking month for illegal apprehensions.  Close to 30,000 family members last month.  Even with the concertine wire.  And those are just the ones caught.  They are entering.  Border facilities don't have room to house them, so catch and release.

I urge the President to make the declaration now.

Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 12:53:37 PM
Nothing.

Given the situation as it is thats what he needs to do. Right now.

To hell with political appearances, does he mean to secure the border or not.

That's the question.  He is allowing Kushner to make the decisions.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: roamer_1 on January 12, 2019, 12:58:16 PM
That's the question.  He is allowing Kushner to make the decisions.

Folks forget Kushner is his SIL, and has been neck deep in his business dealings... Likely their thinking isn't too far apart.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: skeeter on January 12, 2019, 12:59:39 PM
That's the question.  He is allowing Kushner to make the decisions.

A caller to one of yesterday's shows had an interesting idea - Trump should arrange for anyone with standing to be waiting in the wings with as comprehensive a lawsuit as possible and a sympathetic court to file in once he declares the emergency and commence construction. There's always a chance the suit might prevail but at least it would prevent the guaranteed outcome in the 9th Circuit Court per the usual.

There may be reasons why this wouldn't work but the idea is intriguing.

Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
Folks forget Kushner is his SIL, and has been neck deep in his business dealings... Likely their thinking isn't too far apart.

And he is a tried and true liberal.  The mistake many Trump supporters refuse to acknowledge.  I will support Trump only if he does the right thing.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 01:17:15 PM
A caller to one of yesterday's shows had an interesting idea - Trump should arrange for anyone with standing to be waiting in the wings with as comprehensive a lawsuit as possible and a sympathetic court to file in once he declares the emergency and commence construction. There's always a chance the suit might prevail but at least it would prevent the guaranteed outcome in the 9th Circuit Court per the usual.

There may be reasons why this wouldn't work but the idea is intriguing.

Absolutely he should have legal defense prepared.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: edpc on January 12, 2019, 01:41:31 PM
Some folks would complain if they were hung by a new rope.

The President made this his signature promise from day 1 on the escalator.  This is his hill to die on.  It's not calling him a "dictator" to act on a crisis he, himself, declared years ago.  If he fails on this, he's not going to be reelected, that's a simple observation from somebody who wants him to succeed.



If this is the hill to die on, he is making a huge mistake by waiting to declare the emergency. OMB is already making preparations for closure through February. It’s obvious Pelosi will not budge on barrier funding and Trump will not budge on the $5.7B for it.  Everyone knows there will be initial legal challenges to the declaration. That comes with the territory. If he is not confident it will get through the appellate process and receive approval from SCOTUS, then he must be getting advice from advisors there are problems with the move. In the meantime, some of the services provided by furloughed areas include crop forecasting data and aid for farmers. The only thing more politically disastrous than courts ruling against him would be loss of support in the heartland and the revolt by congressman and senators to have a veto proof majority, re-opening the government.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: XenaLee on January 12, 2019, 01:41:53 PM
A caller to one of yesterday's shows had an interesting idea - Trump should arrange for anyone with standing to be waiting in the wings with as comprehensive a lawsuit as possible and a sympathetic court to file in once he declares the emergency and commence construction. There's always a chance the suit might prevail but at least it would prevent the guaranteed outcome in the 9th Circuit Court per the usual.

There may be reasons why this wouldn't work but the idea is intriguing.

I think that caller was on the Rush show.  Yeah, intriguing strategy.  Refreshing... instead of the ssdd 'reactive' one the GOP always has.  Or should I say 'weakly reactive'....?
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2019, 01:51:40 PM


If this is the hill to die on, he is making a huge mistake by waiting to declare the emergency. OMB is already making preparations for closure through February. It’s obvious Pelosi will not budge on barrier funding and Trump will not budge on the $5.7B for it.  Everyone knows there will be initial legal challenges to the declaration. That comes with the territory. If he is not confident it will get through the appellate process and receive approval from SCOTUS, then he must be getting advice from advisors there are problems with the move. In the meantime, some of the services provided by furloughed areas include crop forecasting data and aid for farmers. The only thing more politically disastrous than courts ruling against him would be loss of support in the heartland and the revolt by congressman and senators to have a veto proof majority, re-opening the government.

Yeah, I think he's blowing it, too.   :shrug:

He should have just told us all to "read his lips."
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 01:56:05 PM
3:48 PM - Today

Fact-free opposition.

Trump stands tall in keeping his campaign promise.

Can any Democrat tell us what sneaky ulterior motive Trump has for
fighting the Democrats to a budgetary standstill?

Is it racism? Trump employed people of all genders, ethnic groups, and
orientations, and made such people rich who worked for him.

And liberals like Amorosa and Cohen too. 

Is it a payoff to a border wall construction company? They accused
Bush and Cheney of going to war to benefit a Reconstruction company!
So it's not beyond the Democrats to make such a claim. Nope, none of
them bothered.

Does Trump want a wall for his own safety? Nope, he lives in estates,
resorts, and penthouses. It's not for his safety, but for ours that he
fights for a wall.

Not entirely true.  It depends on if he fights and gives in.  Whether he stands firm.  But the wall fight is what got him elected.  Had he not used immigration as his main fight it is unlikely he would have won.  Anyone can go to the campaign video's and see that the rhetoric was the mounting popularity for electing him.  So it was for him because it caused him to win.  If he doesn't deliver it is over.  He will not win another election.  I realize that it has been an uphill battle, but backing down now would be disaster for the country.

Frankly none of the charges that people tossed at Trump were real.
They said he was only running to gain publicity for some future
reality show (nonsense, NBC cancelled The Apprentice out of spite and
loyalty to Hillary Clinton. Macy's and other stores cancelled Trump's
line of merchandize to show Democrats that they weren't racist like
Trump. He received no financial benefit from running.)

Oh, but he has gained from the presidency in his global business.  It would be hard to argue that he will not gain from the Presidency after he is out of office.  Him, the Kushner's and his entire family.

They said Trump had no intention of building a wall. They said Trump
was so lazy and inattentive that he didn't care if one even got built.
People like  XXXXX  lied every day for nearly three years over Trump not
wanting to build a wall. Yet here he stands, a man of principle,
seeking a wall for no other purpose than our safety, and the future of
our children.

I hope you are right.  Honestly I do.

Trump told the truth from the start, he will build that wall, barrier,
mesh, or drone defense net. The method doesn't matter, the result
does. A psychological warning to hordes of uneducated Latinos wanting
to empty out their worthless socialist hells and come here to force
their culture down our throats and make our country a ruin like theirs
are. A wall is not designed to stop all intruders, it also serves the
very real purpose of inducing your dumb illegal ass to stay put and
fix your bleep home before shitting all over ours. (If the culture
of Honduras or Guatemala has failed, why bring it here, intact?)

This you say is true.  All of it.  It makes no sense to me that we are saying people fleeing from gangs should be granted asylum.  Not when children in Los Angeles are telling their stories that most of their friends are dead.  They aren't fleeing.  They are bringing their hell here.

While people like XXXXX  (Montana?) have lied and lied and lied every day about
this man, Trump continues to fight for us, keeping his word, and
telling the truth every day in the face of mindless psychotic hatred.
The left sees him as the enemy, when he is the corrective to their
treason, lawlessness, and desire to harm our country and its innocent
citizens. Trump stands tall against treason most foul. And for this
they hate him. And us.

I urge President Trump to Declare the State of Emergency now.  He should have already made his legal defense to all challenged in court.  He should beat them to it.  It makes no sense to wait for them to mount their legal defense.  To try Trump in the media.  The longer he waits.  The more fake news to sway opinions.  Liberals are saying illegal immigration is down.  Not true.  It is up 240% in the last 4 months.  That is a direct response to campaign rhetoric of what would be done but hasn't been.  The left has taken advantage.  They have mocked what he said he would do and proven him wrong.  If he isn't successful then these caravans will continue and Americans will be the minority in America.

Never forget who is fighting for us, and who wants our country to fall
into deserved (their view) ruin. The contrast has never been clearer
between people like XXXXX, Ocasio-Cortez, Pelosi, Waters, Schumer, and
people on America's side like Cruz, Trump and Pence. I've never been
more proud of our heroes.

I would not leave Jared Kushner out of the equation.  He is a tried and true liberal who is like a rat in the house.


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Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: edpc on January 12, 2019, 02:17:18 PM
Some people have an ability to negotiate. It's an art you're basically born with. You either have it or you don't.

It would take an hour-and-a-half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles. I think I know most of it anyway. You're talking about just getting updated on a situation

Donald Trump



Perhaps he should attend a Chester Karrass seminar?

https://www.karrass.com/en/ (https://www.karrass.com/en/)
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 03:06:03 PM


Perhaps he should attend a Chester Karrass seminar?

https://www.karrass.com/en/ (https://www.karrass.com/en/)

How did you do that?  I can't find that in my post.  But I like the quote.   I want him to be that great negotiator.  But since he hasn't been able he should Declare the State of Emergency.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: edpc on January 12, 2019, 03:07:58 PM
[quote author=Chosen Daughter link=topic=347321.msg1888522#msg1888522 date=1547323563How did you do that?  I can't find that in my post.  But I like the quote.   I want him to be that great negotiator.  But since he hasn't been able he should Declare the State of Emergency.[/quote]


It’s a tag line at the bottom of all your posts. I just copied it.
Title: Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 12, 2019, 03:27:59 PM
[quote author=Chosen Daughter link=topic=347321.msg1888522#msg1888522 date=1547323563How did you do that?  I can't find that in my post.  But I like the quote.   I want him to be that great negotiator.  But since he hasn't been able he should Declare the State of Emergency.


It’s a tag line at the bottom of all your posts. I just copied it.

Oh, LOL!  I forgot I put that there.  No wonder.  Couldn't be said enough.  I wish he was that negotiator but he doesn't seem to have the skill.  It another self help book line.