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Title: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 07, 2019, 06:48:12 PM
Trump told reporters Friday that he is open to using emergency powers to circumvent Congress, stating, “We can call a national emergency and build it very quickly. It’s another way of doing it.”

...Legal experts similarly told NBC that Trump could declare a state of emergency under The National Emergencies Act — which grants the president a set of special executive powers, including but not limited to the ability to “seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication.”

Congress also has the ability to pass a resolution rebuking the president’s declaration — the Democrat-controlled House would have to first pass the resolution and then send it along to the Republican-controlled Senate, who has to vote on it in 15 days. The president would therefore have to convince Congress that the surge of illegal immigration on the border constitutes an “emergency.”

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/07/donald-trump-national-emergency-build-border-wall-department-defense/
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 07, 2019, 06:49:24 PM
Another challenge facing the president is that he can only use previously earmarked funds in order to build the wall. But federal law allows the military to complete “construction projects” using un-obligated funds from the Department of Defense (DOD) budget during a national emergency.

“My instinct is to say that if he declares a national emergency and uses this pot of unappropriated money for the wall, he’s on very solid legal ground,” Harvard law professor Mark Tushnet told NBC News.


Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2019, 07:04:42 PM
The DEM majority House will never give their approval.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 07, 2019, 07:12:43 PM
If there would be a violation of the Constitution here, someone would have to show it to me.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: montanajoe on January 07, 2019, 07:13:48 PM
This is an incredibly bad idea....

So what's to keep the next Dim president from calling an national emergency after a mass shooting and going after our guns... :shrug:

As usual talk but no thought...

 
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on January 07, 2019, 07:14:05 PM
The DEM majority House will never give their approval.

They would then "own" opposition to the wall!
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Restored on January 07, 2019, 07:18:43 PM
They would then "own" opposition to the wall!

They already own that. The funding for the Wall was in the Continuation Bill and the Democrats blocked it from coming to the Senate floor.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 07, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
The DEM majority House will never give their approval.

That's the whole point, they don't have to. They can pass a resolution rebuking his declaration, but the Senate would have to pass it as well.

In addition, “The real issue is once the president declares an emergency, which he has the power to do, where does he get the money to implement it?” DiGenova said. “There is unspent money in the Department of Defense budget of about $100 billion.”

“It’s sitting there waiting for contracts,” he continued. “He does have the authority to use that money.”


I have no doubt there would be all kinds of legal challenges and congressional manuevering but why not fight this fight at the same time the partial shutdown continues. Lets have it out.

Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 07, 2019, 07:26:33 PM
This is an incredibly bad idea....

So what's to keep the next Dim president from calling an national emergency after a mass shooting and going after our guns... :shrug:

As usual talk but no thought...

Legal experts similarly told NBC that Trump could declare a state of emergency under The National Emergencies Act — which grants the president a set of special executive powers, including but not limited to the ability to “seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication.”

I haven't read the entire Act, but I doubt it grants the POTUS the authority to delete Amendments to our Constitution.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 07, 2019, 07:32:02 PM
They would then "own" opposition to the wall!

Congress can rebuke the declaration if both the House and Senate pass a resolution rebuking the declaration. IOW, Congress gets to react to the action, but it is not required for them to approve the declaration.

I'm sure the Rats in the House will vote against the declaration. The question will be where do the Pubs in the Senate stand.

Lets find out.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2019, 08:16:02 PM
I now think that since Trump will be addressing the public on this issue, he's going to make his case, and dump it completely in Nancy's lap in such a way that she'd be hard pressed to refute what he says.  I can only imagine her stuttering, stammering and nonsensical response.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 07, 2019, 08:33:50 PM
I now think that since Trump will be addressing the public on this issue, he's going to make his case, and dump it completely in Nancy's lap in such a way that she'd be hard pressed to refute what he says.  I can only imagine her stuttering, stammering and nonsensical response.

I sure hope so. I suspect that the media will cover for the Rats and her.

In the end I think we are going to end up with a national emergency being declared. The Rats will try to stop it through the courts because they do not want to have to vote against it, especially their allies in the Pub party. Trump will win in the courts and we will see what happens in 2020. If Trump wins, he builds thew wall and we are one step closer to saving the Republic. If he loses the wall never gets built, floods of the world's poor flow into the country and the Republic dies in a generation.

This is an existential fight and we better win it.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Fishrrman on January 07, 2019, 08:51:59 PM
Libertybele wrote:
"The DEM majority House will never give their approval."

No, of course not.
And if Mr. Trump does this, they will move immediately to impeach him.

But... this may be the only course of action left:
Declare an emergency, start building, and then let the chips fall where they may.

This is the issue that defines not only his presidency, but the future course of America.

I hope he doesn't cave.
This is going to be "his moment".

Put 'em up, or... pack up and go home.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 08, 2019, 07:31:37 AM
This is an incredibly bad idea....

So what's to keep the next Dim president from calling an national emergency after a mass shooting and going after our guns... :shrug:

As usual talk but no thought...
under the terms of the Patriot Act, they can now--along with anything else the government deems necessary for their use.

(A number of us tried to warn people, but "our guy" was all for it, so they were.)  :shrug:

The only thing to prevent the Government from going after our guns, is our guns.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Fishrrman on January 08, 2019, 09:28:23 AM
Smokin' Joe wrote:
"The only thing to prevent the Government from going after our guns, is our guns.."

Well, Joe, we're probably gonna find out, I'd say within the next 10-15 years...
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: ABX on January 08, 2019, 01:26:38 PM
If he is going to do it, he needs to go all in or not at all and remove any roadblocks to his agenda.

While obviously we don't want him to suspend the Constitution, he should by decree, find a way around its limitations so he can get done what he needs to. Treat this like a full terrorist invasion.

He should declare a Order of the President for the Protection of People and State
First, suspend Congress. If they are not in session, he will have a valid reason to pass through foregoing powers, any laws and budgets he deems fit to get this done.
He then needs to look at various members of the press and institutions as enemies of the State and not only suspend any license, going so far as to arrest them for aiding and abetting the enemy if they continue to promote fake news.
Due process should be put on hold as judges and individual, local prosecutors or even police forces may be inclined to oppose what needs to be done. Power for prosecution should be centralized within his cabinet. This will also allow for fast export of anyone suspected of being an illegal or fast detainment of those who aide them.
In order to stop leftists from getting in the way, because you know from experience how they 'protest' they will block roads and equipment as part of the wall building process, the right to organize and assemble should be suspended. That should also block union organization into the construction companies and stop any interference by them.
He should also suspend the privacy of mail, telephone, and internet communications communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the current legal limits.

Do it once and do it right. Don't piddle paddle around with half assed emergency measures.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2019, 01:31:35 PM
If he is going to do it, he needs to go all in or not at all and remove any roadblocks to his agenda.

While obviously we don't want him to suspend the Constitution, he should by decree, find a way around its limitations so he can get done what he needs to. Treat this like a full terrorist invasion.

He should declare a Order of the President for the Protection of People and State
First, suspend Congress. If they are not in session, he will have a valid reason to pass through foregoing powers, any laws and budgets he deems fit to get this done.
He then needs to look at various members of the press and institutions as enemies of the State and not only suspend any license, going so far as to arrest them for aiding and abetting the enemy if they continue to promote fake news.
Due process should be put on hold as judges and individual, local prosecutors or even police forces may be inclined to oppose what needs to be done. Power for prosecution should be centralized within his cabinet. This will also allow for fast export of anyone suspected of being an illegal or fast detainment of those who aide them.
In order to stop leftists from getting in the way, because you know from experience how they 'protest' they will block roads and equipment as part of the wall building process, the right to organize and assemble should be suspended. That should also block union organization into the construction companies and stop any interference by them.
He should also suspend the privacy of mail, telephone, and internet communications communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the current legal limits.

Do it once and do it right. Don't piddle paddle around with half assed emergency measures.

It doesn't require martial law to get it done. This isn't any bigger deal than a disaster declaration. Defending our borders is well within the Constitutional duties as President.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: montanajoe on January 08, 2019, 01:32:39 PM
If he is going to do it, he needs to go all in or not at all and remove any roadblocks to his agenda.

While obviously we don't want him to suspend the Constitution, he should by decree, find a way around its limitations so he can get done what he needs to. Treat this like a full terrorist invasion.

He should declare a Order of the President for the Protection of People and State
First, suspend Congress. If they are not in session, he will have a valid reason to pass through foregoing powers, any laws and budgets he deems fit to get this done.
He then needs to look at various members of the press and institutions as enemies of the State and not only suspend any license, going so far as to arrest them for aiding and abetting the enemy if they continue to promote fake news.
Due process should be put on hold as judges and individual, local prosecutors or even police forces may be inclined to oppose what needs to be done. Power for prosecution should be centralized within his cabinet. This will also allow for fast export of anyone suspected of being an illegal or fast detainment of those who aide them.
In order to stop leftists from getting in the way, because you know from experience how they 'protest' they will block roads and equipment as part of the wall building process, the right to organize and assemble should be suspended. That should also block union organization into the construction companies and stop any interference by them.
He should also suspend the privacy of mail, telephone, and internet communications communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the current legal limits.

Do it once and do it right. Don't piddle paddle around with half assed emergency measures.

This is satire right?... :silly:
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: ABX on January 08, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
It doesn't require martial law to get it done. This isn't any bigger deal than a disaster declaration. Defending our borders is well within the Constitutional duties as President.

That's not really martial law per say. He could use Homeland Security as needed (once he finds who are loyal) for the law enforcement aspect and to enforce his order and the military can stick to the border construction and enforcement. He may need to go so far as to create anew group within HS specifically to help enforce his order and protect those who are. Some sort of "Protection Squad".
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 08, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
It doesn't require martial law to get it done. This isn't any bigger deal than a disaster declaration. Defending our borders is well within the Constitutional duties as President.

I'm glad to see that someone is taking the time to find out what the National Emergencies Act is all about. It has been used numerous times. It is well within the POTUS authority and Congress does have the right to rebuke (nullify) the declaration if they can get 2/3rds majority in the House and Senate to do so. If the House passes a rebuke the Senate has 15 days to vote, or the declaration remains in place.

If Trump does declare a national emergency odds are a liberal federal judge will declare an injunction and then we will see how quickly the SCOTUS acts. If we really do have justices that rule by the letter of the law Trump will win. If not, oh well, get ready for a flood of the world's poor.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2019, 01:49:48 PM
That's not really martial law per say. He could use Homeland Security as needed (once he finds who are loyal) for the law enforcement aspect and to enforce his order and the military can stick to the border construction and enforcement. He may need to go so far as to create anew group within HS specifically to help enforce his order and protect those who are. Some sort of "Protection Squad".

He can also mobilize the Nat'l Guard.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2019, 02:10:24 PM
He can also mobilize the Nat'l Guard.

Hasn't he already done so??  I thought the military was already on the border along with border patrol??
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: ABX on January 08, 2019, 02:32:14 PM
Can't wait until a Democratic President declares a "climate emergency" and seizes our cars or, as someone said, a "gun emergency".

Of course <…>

If he does this right, he can block the Democrats from ever getting power again. Don't let the crisis go to waste, change the system.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
Hasn't he already done so??  I thought the military was already on the border along with border patrol??

If he hasn't withdrawn them, then there you go.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2019, 02:34:19 PM
Can't wait until a Democratic President declares a "climate emergency" and seizes our cars or, as someone said, a "gun emergency".

Of course <….>

Way different scenarios. We're talking about condemning a litttle strip of land on one problematic part of our border and building a structure, not national confiscation or martial law.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 08, 2019, 02:34:31 PM
If he does this right, he can block the Democrats from ever getting power again. Don't let the crisis go to waste, change the system.

 :silly:

You have got to be joking. Do you really believe that?
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: ABX on January 08, 2019, 02:36:42 PM
:silly:

You have got to be joking. Do you really believe that?

If you are going to declare a national emergency, don't half-ass it. If you aren't serious enough to make real change, then it really isn't an emergency.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Victoria33 on January 08, 2019, 02:57:55 PM
This is an incredibly bad idea....So what's to keep the next Dim president from calling an national emergency after a mass shooting and going after our guns... :shrug:As usual talk but no thought...
@montanajoe

A national emergency gives Trump the power of a dictator, just what he wants.  He can cut off TVs and only put on there what he wants you to see.  He will have that power and he should not have it.  He can shut off transportation, such as transportation of food.  He is not normal and should not have this power.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: ABX on January 08, 2019, 03:00:36 PM
@montanajoe

A national emergency gives Trump the power of a dictator, just what he wants.  He can cut off TVs and only put on there what he wants you to see.  He will have that power and he should not have it.  He can shut off transportation, such as transportation of food.  He is not normal and should not have this power.

Do what you need to do to fix the problem. A whole lot can be done if not restrained by the Constitution or Congress.

Do you want to fix the problem or not?
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Victoria33 on January 08, 2019, 03:10:27 PM
Do what you need to do to fix the problem. A whole lot can be done if not restrained by the Constitution or Congress.  Do you want to fix the problem or not?
@ABX

I don't want any president going around/dumping our constitution.  Perhaps you were not born in Berlin during the time a dictator ruled Germany.  That one didn't work well for him to "fix the problem" of people he did not want living there.  And, if you questioned what was happening there, you were put in a train to nowhere as you would not be heard of again.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: musiclady on January 08, 2019, 03:31:18 PM
Way different scenarios. We're talking about condemning a litttle strip of land on one problematic part of our border and building a structure, not national confiscation or martial law.

We're also talking about what the Radical Left would do with the same power.

Ergo, dismissing that prospect equates to not thinking beyond 30 minutes........
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: truth_seeker on January 08, 2019, 03:56:40 PM
Some other measures, by other DICTATOR US Presidents Hoover, Truman and Eisenhower.

Has nothing to do with Berlin, which is yet another asinine shot at calling President, a Nazi or Hitler.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Dwight_Eisenhower_Immigration.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Dwight_Eisenhower_Immigration.htm)


"OpEd: Treated Mexican border crossings as act of war
In 1954, when Eisenhower discovered a million Mexicans here who did not belong, without apology he ordered them sent home in "Operation Wetback." They went. Had Vicente Fox's regime colluded in an invasion of the US, as it has for the last 6 years, those presidents would have regarded and treated it as an act of war."

Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2019, 04:02:49 PM
I have to wonder what the democrats would do if ISIS was gathering at our border? Of course, some have come in the OTM crowd which is never defined or enumerated.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2019, 04:04:56 PM
We're also talking about what the Radical Left would do with the same power.

Ergo, dismissing that prospect equates to not thinking beyond 30 minutes........

I think that's grandstanding hyperbole.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Victoria33 on January 08, 2019, 04:15:48 PM
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Has nothing to do with Berlin, which is yet another asinine shot at calling President, a Nazi or Hitler.

Example of "Dictator".  A "Dictator" does what he wants regardless how it hurts the citizens of country.  Now, 800,000 citizens about to lose their employment checks this month.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: ABX on January 08, 2019, 04:24:55 PM
@ABX

I don't want any president going around/dumping our constitution.  Perhaps you were not born in Berlin during the time a dictator ruled Germany.  That one didn't work well for him to "fix the problem" of people he did not want living there.  And, if you questioned what was happening there, you were put in a train to nowhere as you would not be heard of again.

Trust Trump, Trust the Plan.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 08, 2019, 04:28:15 PM
Example of "Dictator".  A "Dictator" does what he wants regardless how it hurts the citizens of country.  Now, 800,000 citizens about to lose their employment checks this month.

No .. a dictator is unrestrained by law.

Read this article by Jonathan Turley … you'll find it illuminating. "Yes, Trump has the authority to declare national emergency for border wall"

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,346896.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,346896.0.html)
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: montanajoe on January 08, 2019, 04:29:10 PM
Trust Trump, Trust the Plan.

Yep he no doubt has a final solution.... :silly:
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: XenaLee on January 08, 2019, 04:30:31 PM
Example of "Dictator".  A "Dictator" does what he wants regardless how it hurts the citizens of country.  Now, 800,000 citizens about to lose their employment checks this month.

Eh... they're not losing their paychecks.  Their paychecks will merely be temporarily postponed.  They will get paid.

That said... I wonder how many of those 800,000 (or more) government employees are working in jobs that are totally unnecessary.  The silver lining might be... half of them quit the government and get a job in the private sector.  (dreamin...)

Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Victoria33 on January 08, 2019, 04:44:43 PM
Eh... they're not losing their paychecks.  Their paychecks will merely be temporarily postponed.  They will get paid.
That said... I wonder how many of those 800,000 (or more) government employees are working in jobs that are totally unnecessary.  The silver lining might be... half of them quit the government and get a job in the private sector.  (dreamin...)
@XenaLee
"hey're not losing their paychecks".

Tell that to families who get no money this month.  The check has been hijacked by Donald Trump.  He has their money and will not give it to them.

"employees are working in jobs that are totally unnecessary."
That sentence does not belong in this situation.  It is dumping on employees of the federal government who took a job to get paid to support their family. 
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: truth_seeker on January 08, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
Example of "Dictator".  A "Dictator" does what he wants regardless how it hurts the citizens of country.  Now, 800,000 citizens about to lose their employment checks this month.

So do you side with Pelosi and Schumer, this time?


Do you support better border security?

I would be very very pleased with ANY Republicaan President or official hat supported betterbordersecurity.

That would be the position of any truly conservative citizen.


Oh and I do not suffer from Trump  Derangement Syndrome, which is consedered a mental condition.

A person like me, would hae the balance, know the history of the MANY previous shutdowns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States#List_of_federal_shutdowns
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: XenaLee on January 08, 2019, 04:52:33 PM
@XenaLee
"hey're not losing their paychecks".

Tell that to families who get no money this month.  The check has been hijacked by Donald Trump.  He has their money and will not give it to them.

"employees are working in jobs that are totally unnecessary."
That sentence does not belong in this situation.  It is dumping on employees of the federal government who took a job to get paid to support their family.

Well... firstly....knowing full well what I know about how many (if not most) government jobs go.... most of them are probably getting paid WAAAY more than they're worth and/or more than they could ever get in the private sector.

Secondly.....if they have not saved in anticipation of a possible future shutdown, that's on them.  Not on Trump.

Thirdly.... the shutdown blame can be placed on the damned Democrats.... not on Trump.

You're welcome.

Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: corbe on January 08, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
Well... firstly....knowing full well what I know about how many (if not most) government jobs go.... most of them are probably getting paid WAAAY more than they're worth and/or more than they could ever get in the private sector.

Secondly.....if they have not saved in anticipation of a possible future shutdown, that's on them.  Not on Trump.

Thirdly.... the shutdown blame can be placed on the damned Democrats.... not on Trump.

You're welcome.




   Your first two points are good @XenaLee but the third (which I strikedout), I'm not so sure about.  He had two years to convince the GOP/Ryan/McConnell that 'The Wall' was important to the American people AND himself, as far as I'm concerned they all just pizzed that opportunity away including their last minute theatrics which were bound to fail.   
   I'm as compassionate as most here, been without a paycheck for months at a time in my life, but to work for the GOV in a non-essential job and not plan for this, is just ludicrous.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: XenaLee on January 08, 2019, 05:12:53 PM

   Your first two points are good @XenaLee but the third (which I strikedout), I'm not so sure about.  He had two years to convince the GOP/Ryan/McConnell that 'The Wall' was important to the American people AND himself, as far as I'm concerned they all just pizzed that opportunity away including their last minute theatrics which were bound to fail.   
   I'm as compassionate as most here, been without a paycheck for months at a time in my life, but to work for the GOV in a non-essential job and not plan for this, is just ludicrous.

Yes, they had two years .... but they didn't have majority control of the Senate, as you well know.  Trump has been ham-strung by that fact, I'm sure would have to agree.

I have been very vocal in blaming Trump for stuff he could control (his mouth, his tweets, etc.)... but this shutdown is not one of them.  He wants the wall for national security and so do I.  So screw the damned Democrats and anyone 'else' that supports them by blaming Trump for this.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: corbe on January 08, 2019, 05:28:13 PM
   Granted, @XenaLee Trump didn't clarify his Campaign Slogans *with demonrats help.  I just assumed that the best dam dealmaker since Lee Iacocca could have accomplished it, especially since his party controlled both Houses of Congress.  Neither Ryan or McConnell wanted to stick their neck out for Trump, especially after the obummercare repeal disaster, which consumed a lot of time, resulting in nothing other than EO's. 
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: XenaLee on January 08, 2019, 05:31:51 PM
   Granted, @XenaLee Trump didn't clarify his Campaign Slogans *with demonrats help.  I just assumed that the best dam dealmaker since Lee Iacocca could have accomplished it, especially since his party controlled both Houses of Congress.  Neither Ryan or McConnell wanted to stick their neck out for Trump, especially after the obummercare repeal disaster, which consumed a lot of time, resulting in nothing other than EO's.

I hear ya.  And I have ranted, as well, about those very same things.  But this shutdown, right here right now, is on the Democrats (America's new enemy within).  That's all I'm sayin.

Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2019, 05:33:51 PM
Yes, they had two years .... but they didn't have majority control of the Senate, as you well know.  Trump has been ham-strung by that fact, I'm sure would have to agree.

I have been very vocal in blaming Trump for stuff he could control (his mouth, his tweets, etc.)... but this shutdown is not one of them.  He wants the wall for national security and so do I.  So screw the damned Democrats and anyone 'else' that supports them by blaming Trump for this.

??? The GOP has held the majority in BOTH Houses for the past 4 years!  While I support what Trump is doing I question why he's waited so dang long to now do something. 
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: XenaLee on January 08, 2019, 05:41:28 PM
??? The GOP has held the majority in BOTH Houses for the past 4 years!  While I support what Trump is doing I question why he's waited so dang long to now do something.

Well, when you count the RINOs working against him (like McCain & Co).....

and don't get me started on the RINO-led Congress.

I'm just saying that Trump has been ham-strung for the past two years ... by those in the GOP that apparently side with the Democrats. 

This shutdown situation right here, right now, present day.... is being caused by the "resist we must/obstructionist" Democratic Party.  Do you disagree?


Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 08, 2019, 05:57:11 PM
??? The GOP has held the majority in BOTH Houses for the past 4 years!  While I support what Trump is doing I question why he's waited so dang long to now do something.

I wish he had brought this to a head a long time ago, but the confrontation is happening now. We can't change the past, but we have to win now!

It's surprising to me how many posters really don't understand the National Emergencies Act, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act . Trump is well within the scope of the law if he declares an emergency at the border and if he does this he may be able to get the entire wall built.

Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2019, 06:03:29 PM
Well, when you count the RINOs working against him (like McCain & Co).....

and don't get me started on the RINO-led Congress.

I'm just saying that Trump has been ham-strung for the past two years ... by those in the GOP that apparently side with the Democrats. 

This shutdown situation right here, right now, present day.... is being caused by the "resist we must/obstructionist" Democratic Party.  Do you disagree?

Except any way you cut it, the House majority was much larger and Lyin' Ryan didn't do him any favors.  However, Trump bucked the Freedom Caucus in the beginning which was a huge mistake.  Yes right now, he's in a pickle because now he's lost the House majority because HE waited!  He could have very easily, shut down the gov't long ago and declared a National Emergency.  Certainly Nancy wouldn't have been asking for equal time.

Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: bilo on January 08, 2019, 06:08:46 PM
No .. a dictator is unrestrained by law.

Read this article by Jonathan Turley … you'll find it illuminating. "Yes, Trump has the authority to declare national emergency for border wall"

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,346896.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,346896.0.html)

FWIW; " Presidents have continued to use their emergency authority subject to the provisions of the act, with 42 national emergencies declared between 1976 and 2007. "

IOW, this is not something new, or a radical power grab by Trump. In fact it may be the best solution.

Build the wall!
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: kevindavis on January 08, 2019, 06:39:11 PM
This is an incredibly bad idea....

So what's to keep the next Dim president from calling an national emergency after a mass shooting and going after our guns... :shrug:

As usual talk but no thought...


or a national emeregency on Climate Change??
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: kevindavis on January 08, 2019, 06:41:07 PM
Except any way you cut it, the House majority was much larger and Lyin' Ryan didn't do him any favors.  However, Trump bucked the Freedom Caucus in the beginning which was a huge mistake.  Yes right now, he's in a pickle because now he's lost the House majority because HE waited!  He could have very easily, shut down the gov't long ago and declared a National Emergency.  Certainly Nancy wouldn't have been asking for equal time.


You can blame Ryan all you want, but Trump waited.  In all seriousness, I prefer the going through Congress route, since I happen to believe in Federalism.  Unlike some people here.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: musiclady on January 08, 2019, 07:19:04 PM
I think that's grandstanding hyperbole.

Thinking logically about possible outcomes is "grandstanding hyperbole??"

That's a bizarre thing to say.

Can't you just discuss the issue??

Excessive executive power in the wrong hands (assuming, as you do, that Trump's power is in the right hands), is dangerous for the Republic.

If one is cheering on executive power moves by "our guy," then one has to consider what that power would be in the wrong hands (assuming that you believe what the left might do is a potential problem).

What exactly did I say that is either hyperbolic or grandstanding?  It's just logical thought progression as we face an evil Democrat party.

What am I (or are you) missing, @Free Vulcan ?
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2019, 07:46:03 PM
Thinking logically about possible outcomes is "grandstanding hyperbole??"

That's a bizarre thing to say.

Can't you just discuss the issue??

Excessive executive power in the wrong hands (assuming, as you do, that Trump's power is in the right hands), is dangerous for the Republic.

If one is cheering on executive power moves by "our guy," then one has to consider what that power would be in the wrong hands (assuming that you believe what the left might do is a potential problem).

What exactly did I say that is either hyperbolic or grandstanding?  It's just logical thought progression as we face an evil Democrat party.

What am I (or are you) missing, @Free Vulcan ?

FDR took radical steps in WWII, including putting people in internment camps. What you fear that may be done has already been done, the slippery slope has already been slid down.

Which means any liberal President could have done the same at any time, for any reason. I'm not sure what precedent is being set here.

What's happening here is less intrusive than your average disaster declaration.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: truth_seeker on January 08, 2019, 08:40:48 PM
??? The GOP has held the majority in BOTH Houses for the past 4 years!  While I support what Trump is doing I question why he's waited so dang long to now do something.

You forgot or ignored the 60 Senate votes needed to advance legislation.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: corbe on January 08, 2019, 08:49:47 PM
   The Art of the Deal couldn't get 2 bi1ches (Collins, Murkowski) and that azzhole, McCain together for obummercare LITE in 2017, after a protracted CF of a battle. I'm not optimistic on his current Immigration push but it just may be my TDS, I'll admit.

    PS: that only required 51 Senate votes.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: kevindavis on January 08, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
FDR took radical steps in WWII, including putting people in internment camps. What you fear that may be done has already been done, the slippery slope has already been slid down.

Which means any liberal President could have done the same at any time, for any reason. I'm not sure what precedent is being set here.

What's happening here is less intrusive than your average disaster declaration.


Two wrongs don't make it a right.
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: kevindavis on January 08, 2019, 08:53:15 PM
FWIW; " Presidents have continued to use their emergency authority subject to the provisions of the act, with 42 national emergencies declared between 1976 and 2007. "

IOW, this is not something new, or a radical power grab by Trump. In fact it may be the best solution.

Build the wall!


Fine, then he should go through Congress.. Something that is written in the CONSTITUTION!!!!
Title: Re: Here’s What Would Happen If Trump Declared A National Emergency To Build The Wall
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 08, 2019, 08:56:47 PM

Two wrongs don't make it a right.

Except the President has every authority to do this and it violates no constitutionality.