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Title: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 05, 2018, 05:04:45 AM
Iran plans to defy newly reimposed U.S. sanctions and continue to sell, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani reportedly said on state TV on Monday, according to Reuters.

"America wanted to cut to zero Iran's oil sales ... but we will continue to sell our oil ... to break sanctions," Rouhani reportedly told economists at a meeting that was broadcast live.
On Monday, Washington reimposed sanctions on Iran in a bid to put pressure on the Islamic republic to curb its nuclear, missile and regional activities. The first round of U.S. sanctions were reimposed in August.

On Monday, Washington reimposed sanctions on Iran in a bid to put pressure on the Islamic republic to curb its nuclear, missile and regional activities. The first round of U.S. sanctions were reimposed in August.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/05/reuters-america-update-3-rouhani-says-iran-to-sell-oil-defy-u-s-sanctions--tv.html?&qsearchterm=iran%20sanctions (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/05/reuters-america-update-3-rouhani-says-iran-to-sell-oil-defy-u-s-sanctions--tv.html?&qsearchterm=iran%20sanctions)
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: Absalom on November 05, 2018, 03:43:20 PM
The realities of geography intervene.
The Straight of Hormuz separates Oman from Iran and is 20 miles
across at its max point which US Subs would close in seconds.
The rest of Iran's oil is exported by pipeline traversing hostile nations.
Rouhani is your typical Mullah; all mouth and no brain!
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 05, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
The realities of geography intervene.

The Straight of Hormuz separates Oman from Iran and is 20 miles
across at its max point which US Subs would close in seconds.
The rest of Iran's oil is exported by pipeline traversing hostile nations.
Rouhani is your typical Mullah; all mouth and no brain!


The other reality that intervenes is what you are proposing is a blockade, which is a universally recognized act of war.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: catfish1957 on November 05, 2018, 03:52:20 PM

The other reality that intervenes is what you are proposing is a blockade, which is a universally recognized act of war.

I like the idea of turning on the tap full bore, and see how well the Middle East fares after $20-30/bbl oil for about 5 years.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 05, 2018, 03:57:15 PM
I like the idea of turning on the tap full bore, and see how well the Middle East fares after $20-30/bbl oil for about 5 years.


I’d like to see us use our vast oil, coal, and gas resources to make the next inevitable breakthrough in energy.  That would make crude and OPEC as relevant as whale oil.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 05, 2018, 04:20:42 PM
I like the idea of turning on the tap full bore, and see how well the Middle East fares after $20-30/bbl oil for about 5 years.
The US does not have that capability.  Very little production is shut in that could just be opened by turning a tap.

There are lots of ways to increase production over time, but it is not that quick.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 05, 2018, 04:25:00 PM

I’d like to see us use our vast oil, coal, and gas resources to make the next inevitable breakthrough in energy.  That would make crude and OPEC as relevant as whale oil.
We could certainly diverge into using the coal and gas which is seriously under-developed and under-utilized.  Our bounty in these are far greater than crude.

Liquefaction of both into transportation fuels come to mind.  It is a known technology that is hampered only by price.

Getting rid of the unprofitable renewables wind, solar and biomass by eliminating their subsidies would make coal and gas usage more attractive.  As a bonus, we would all save money as well.

Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 05, 2018, 04:34:15 PM

The other reality that intervenes is what you are proposing is a blockade, which is a universally recognized act of war.

Not to mention the several other nations using the same passageway for their oil transit.  Over 18 million barrels a day travel out that passage.  Most of the crude exported from Saudi Arabia, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Iraq passes through it.v It is also the route for nearly all the liquefied natural gas (LNG) from lead exporter Qatar.

(https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2012.01.04/Hormuz.png)

Typical day ship traffic:

(http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews.asp?i=43059c3bf0e37541&u=2018-07-05T123040Z_GFXEE750YR4F3_1_RTRGFXG_BASEIMAGE.PNG)
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 05, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
I like the idea of turning on the tap full bore, and see how well the Middle East fares after $20-30/bbl oil for about 5 years.

The reality is $20~30 oil would shut down drilling in our shale fields.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 05, 2018, 05:27:10 PM

The other reality that intervenes is what you are proposing is a blockade, which is a universally recognized act of war.
Iran began the war by taking over our sovereign soil in 1979 and holding US citizens captive.

Why would that not be considered them initiating war? 
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 05, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
Iran began the war by taking over our sovereign soil in 1979 and holding US citizens captive.

Why would that not be considered them initiating war?


Probably because they were also creators, supporters, and financiers of Hezbollah, who bombed the US Marine barracks in 1983. There is your overt act of war. Reagan decided getting more deeply involved in Lebanon was not in our interests. Instead, we retaliated by supporting Iraq and Hussein in a proxy war, only to fight him twice years later.  As the icing on this shit cake, we employed Iranian backed Shiite militias to push ISIS out of Iraq.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 05, 2018, 06:12:20 PM

Probably because they were also creators, supporters, and financiers of Hezbollah, who bombed the US Marine barracks in 1983. There is your overt act of war. Reagan decided getting more deeply involved in Lebanon was not in our interests. Instead, we retaliated by supporting Iraq and Hussein in a proxy war, only to fight him twice years later.  As the icing on this shit cake, we employed Iranian backed Shiite militias to push ISIS out of Iraq.
are you saying Iran taking over our embassy and taking citizens captive is not starting a war?

I fail to see what more to start a war can be than invading our soil and imprisoning our citizensure residing on it.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 05, 2018, 06:23:51 PM
Are you saying Iran taking over our embassy and taking citizens captive is not starting a war?

I fail to see what more to start a war can be than invading our soil and imprisoning our citizensure residing on it.


I’m saying you cannot wind the clock back 39 years and 6 administrations later, then justify a universally recognized act of war with it.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 05, 2018, 06:37:26 PM

I’m saying you cannot wind the clock back 39 years and 6 administrations later, then justify a universally recognized act of war with it.
How long has Koreas been not at peace?
Did Iran end its war against us?

I must not have been paying attention during my years since then.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 05, 2018, 08:53:22 PM
How long has Koreas been not at peace?
Did Iran end its war against us?

I must not have been paying attention during my years since then.


 Obviously, you have not been. There is zero comparison between the two. Korea started, because of a full-scale invasion. That resulted in a UN resolution, mass mobilization of allied forces, and eventually, a formal ceasefire.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: bigheadfred on November 05, 2018, 10:17:31 PM
Sixth-dimensional chess at a third world level.

Great. Just great.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 05, 2018, 10:38:58 PM

 Obviously, you have not been. There is zero comparison between the two. Korea started, because of a full-scale invasion. That resulted in a UN resolution, mass mobilization of allied forces, and eventually, a formal ceasefire.
War is initiated on far less, and war is war.

Sometimes a Duke is shot or sometimes a country is invaded.

It is still war.

Yet you are saying a simple blockade is war.

Funny.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: Absalom on November 05, 2018, 10:43:06 PM
Not to mention the several other nations using the same passageway for their oil transit.  Over 18 million barrels a day travel out that passage.  Most of the crude exported from Saudi Arabia, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Iraq passes through it.v It is also the route for nearly all the liquefied natural gas (LNG) from lead exporter Qatar.

(https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2012.01.04/Hormuz.png)

Typical day ship traffic:

(http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews.asp?i=43059c3bf0e37541&u=2018-07-05T123040Z_GFXEE750YR4F3_1_RTRGFXG_BASEIMAGE.PNG)
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Geographic nonsense and utter malarkey.
Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman and Kuwait have access to both the Red Sea
and the Indian Ocean because of the extensive pipeline system developed
by Aramco across the Kingdom to Ports such as Jeddah and Yanbu.

Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: TomSea on November 05, 2018, 11:03:16 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/05/donald-trump-iran-sanctions-exemptions-oil-mike-pompeo-japan-china-india/1885801002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/05/donald-trump-iran-sanctions-exemptions-oil-mike-pompeo-japan-china-india/1885801002/)
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Iran sanctions: Trump administration exempts eight countries, including China, from new penalties

WASHINGTON – The Trump administration will allow Japan, China, India and five other countries to escape U.S. sanctions against Iran, even as those nations continue to buy oil from Iran in defiance of the White House’s push to block all such sales.

Italy, Greece, Turkey, Japan, India, South Korea, Taiwan and China all have these exemptions.

For Turkey, they are right there next to Iran; it really would not be practical to make them participate in the sanctions OR at least, I can see it that way.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 05, 2018, 11:18:27 PM
Yet you are saying a simple blockade is war.

Funny.


Blockades are not simple or funny. They are an internationally recognized act of war. If you want to see a prime example of one that has consequences, look no further than 1967, when Egypt cut off the port of Elat on May 22.  The Israelis used it as a casus belli, destroyed the Egyptian Air Force on June 5th, and pushed their army out of Gaza and the Sinai within 3 days.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 06, 2018, 07:45:27 AM
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Geographic nonsense and utter malarkey.
Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman and Kuwait have access to both the Red Sea
and the Indian Ocean because of the extensive pipeline system developed
by Aramco across the Kingdom to Ports such as Jeddah and Yanbu.

UAE has access to the Red Sea?

(https://www.worldatlas.com/img/areamap/bfa848e009fc11cba71be1dba1215de7.gif)

Over 18 million barrels of oil per day through that waterway.  There is not the ability to move 10% of that around to the Red Sea today.  It would take at least 5 years to build the infrastructure to move half of it. 
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 06, 2018, 08:41:04 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/05/donald-trump-iran-sanctions-exemptions-oil-mike-pompeo-japan-china-india/1885801002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/05/donald-trump-iran-sanctions-exemptions-oil-mike-pompeo-japan-china-india/1885801002/)
Italy, Greece, Turkey, Japan, India, South Korea, Taiwan and China all have these exemptions.

For Turkey, they are right there next to Iran; it really would not be practical to make them participate in the sanctions OR at least, I can see it that way.

(https://fm-static.cnbc.com/awsmedia/chart/2018/9/29/20181029_monthly_iran_crude_condensate_exports.1540844895717.png)
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 06, 2018, 09:21:39 AM
For Turkey, they are right there next to Iran; it really would not be practical to make them participate in the sanctions OR at least, I can see it that way.


They had previously said they would defy sanctions, even without an exemption.


Erdogan said Turkey will continue to buy natural gas from Iran in line with its long-term supply contract despite Trump’s threats to punish countries doing business with Iran.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-usa-erdogan-exclusive/exclusive-turkeys-erdogan-says-court-will-decide-fate-of-detained-us-pastor-idUSKCN1M60EP (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-usa-erdogan-exclusive/exclusive-turkeys-erdogan-says-court-will-decide-fate-of-detained-us-pastor-idUSKCN1M60EP)
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 06, 2018, 12:29:47 PM

Blockades are not simple or funny. They are an internationally recognized act of war. If you want to see a prime example of one that has consequences, look no further than 1967, when Egypt cut off the port of Elat on May 22.  The Israelis used it as a casus belli, destroyed the Egyptian Air Force on June 5th, and pushed their army out of Gaza and the Sinai within 3 days.
You are talking in circles now.

First you say a blockade is serious stuff that starts wars, then you say an invasion like Iran did on our soil in 1979 is not as serious as another invasion that happened in Korea, then you say invading the soil of another nation and taking captives is not serious, and now you go back to saying a blockade is serious stuff, implying the invasions like in Iran are not consequential.

I cannot make hay of your argument, but one thing I am certain of is:  Iran has declared war against America, has executed that war in different ways since 1979, it has never declared the war is over, and the US has every right in the world to blockade that nation due to the Iranian provocation.

It is not America that started a war, it is Iran and they are the enemy.  Just because we had a worthless president in Carter in 1979 does not mean America is not committed to win this war now.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 06, 2018, 01:24:37 PM
You are talking in circles now.

First you say a blockade is serious stuff that starts wars, then you say an invasion like Iran did on our soil in 1979 is not as serious as another invasion that happened in Korea, then you say invading the soil of another nation and taking captives is not serious, and now you go back to saying a blockade is serious stuff, implying the invasions like in Iran are not consequential.

I cannot make hay of your argument, but one thing I am certain of is:  Iran has declared war against America, has executed that war in different ways since 1979, it has never declared the war is over, and the US has every right in the world to blockade that nation due to the Iranian provocation.

It is not America that started a war, it is Iran and they are the enemy.  Just because we had a worthless president in Carter in 1979 does not mean America is not committed to win this war now.


You can make sense of it, but you are likely being deliberately obtuse.    South Korea was invaded and subsequent actions were taken by the UN, including armed response and an armistice three years later.  No such actions were taken by the US government for any other entity, after the events of November 1979. You can’t retroactively refer to it and declare it an act of war, for the sake of convenience to justify an action almost 40 years later.  It is really that simple.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: Absalom on November 06, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
UAE has access to the Red Sea?

(https://www.worldatlas.com/img/areamap/bfa848e009fc11cba71be1dba1215de7.gif)

Over 18 million barrels of oil per day through that waterway.  There is not the ability to move 10% of that around to the Red Sea today.  It would take at least 5 years to build the infrastructure to move half of it.
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Utter nonsense!
While the Emirates, Kuwait and Oman are on the Eastern side of
the Kingdom, they have access to the the Aramco pipeline system,
one of the most extensive in the world within a nation w/the 12th
largest land mass, exceeding 2.2 million square km.
Their pipe system traverses the vast Rub al-Khali (Empty Quarter)
to Asir to Najran to Qassim to Tabuk.
Access is the dual result of Treaties as well as Membership in
the Gulf Cooperation Council.
Even Bahrain an island nation (where I worked for a decade),
in the north-west of the Gulf, has access to leased port facilities in
Dammam, which allows it to store and transport oil.
Also, Saudi oil reaching its Red Sea Ports of Jazan, Jeddah and Yanbu
can be shipped down the Indian Ocean or up through Suez as Saudi
Arabia has a long term Agreement w/Egypt permitting them to ship
oil through the Canal into the Mediterranean.
It's direct and simple. The Saudi's have freedom and flexibility to
respond to their customers around the world while Iran does not!!
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 06, 2018, 04:16:30 PM
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Utter nonsense!
While the Emirates, Kuwait and Oman are on the Eastern side of
the Kingdom, they have access to the the Aramco pipeline system,
one of the most extensive in the world within a nation w/the 12th
largest land mass, exceeding 2.2 million square km.
Their pipe system traverses the vast Rub al-Khali (Empty Quarter)
to Asir to Najran to Qassim to Tabuk.
Access is the dual result of Treaties as well as Membership in
the Gulf Cooperation Council.
Even Bahrain an island nation (where I worked for a decade),
in the north-west of the Gulf, has access to leased port facilities in
Dammam, which allows it to store and transport oil.
Also, Saudi oil reaching its Red Sea Ports of Jazan, Jeddah and Yanbu
can be shipped down the Indian Ocean or up through Suez as Saudi
Arabia has a long term Agreement w/Egypt permitting them to ship
oil through the Canal into the Mediterranean.
It's direct and simple. The Saudi's have freedom and flexibility to
respond to their customers around the world while Iran does not!!

I have know idea where you get your information.  I got the beginning of mine working in the Arabian Peninsula on the south side of the Rub' al Khali (empty quarter) in the oil fields of Yemen.  I worked with several who just came from Saudi.  I did some other work with Aramco in 1994 and again in 2001.

There is no pipeline that crosses the empty quarter.

 There was one crude pipeline that crosses east-west for red sea access, the Petroline.  It was out of commission for decades.  In 2012 they worked to get it ready to use again.

(https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis_includes/countries_long/Saudi_Arabia/images/oil_gas_infrastructure_map.png)

Exclusive: Saudi readies oil line to counter Iran Hormuz threat
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-oil-hormuz-idUSBRE85R0KT20120628?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-oil-hormuz-idUSBRE85R0KT20120628?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews)
JUNE 28, 2012

They also converted the Natural Gas Pipeline into oil service, giving them both a 48 inch and a 56 inch lines.  But they have been moving oil through those lines, about 2 million barrels a day already.  So there is not full capacity to move additional oil through them that currently goes out the Persian Gulf.

They can move some more, 10%, maybe even as much as 15% of the Persian Gulf oil, but there sure isn't 18 million barrels a day pipeline capacity sitting around idle but ready to use.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 06, 2018, 04:25:31 PM
...While the Emirates, Kuwait and Oman are on the Eastern side of
the Kingdom, they have access to the the Aramco pipeline system...

UAE pipeline systems do not connect to Aramco.  Why would they ever spend the money for that?  They don't sell or move oil to each other.

(https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis_includes/countries_long/United_Arab_Emirates/images/uae_map.png)
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 06, 2018, 05:30:19 PM

You can make sense of it, but you are likely being deliberately obtuse.    South Korea was invaded and subsequent actions were taken by the UN, including armed response and an armistice three years later.  No such actions were taken by the US government for any other entity, after the events of November 1979. You can’t retroactively refer to it and declare it an act of war, for the sake of convenience to justify an action almost 40 years later.  It is really that simple.
your head is in the sand if you do not believe Iran has been and remains at war with us.

You appear to seek the UN's approval for the US to be at war.

I vehemently am against that as we are sovereign to counter aggression ourselves, solely on our terms.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: edpc on November 06, 2018, 06:11:26 PM
You appear to seek the UN's approval for the US to be at war.


That would have been Truman.  The US General that signed the armistice in 1953 did so on behalf of the UN.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: Absalom on November 06, 2018, 07:46:20 PM
I have know idea where you get your information.  I got the beginning of mine working in the Arabian Peninsula on the south side of the Rub' al Khali (empty quarter) in the oil fields of Yemen.  I worked with several who just came from Saudi.  I did some other work with Aramco in 1994 and again in 2001.

There is no pipeline that crosses the empty quarter.

 There was one crude pipeline that crosses east-west for red sea access, the Petroline.  It was out of commission for decades.  In 2012 they worked to get it ready to use again.

(https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis_includes/countries_long/Saudi_Arabia/images/oil_gas_infrastructure_map.png)

Exclusive: Saudi readies oil line to counter Iran Hormuz threat
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-oil-hormuz-idUSBRE85R0KT20120628?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-oil-hormuz-idUSBRE85R0KT20120628?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews)
JUNE 28, 2012

They also converted the Natural Gas Pipeline into oil service, giving them both a 48 inch and a 56 inch lines.  But they have been moving oil through those lines, about 2 million barrels a day already.  So there is not full capacity to move additional oil through them that currently goes out the Persian Gulf.

They can move some more, 10%, maybe even as much as 15% of the Persian Gulf oil, but there sure isn't 18 million barrels a day pipeline capacity sitting around idle but ready to use.
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Uninterested in a urinary contest as my core point was direct and simple.
The Saudi's have multiple ways to move their oil and supply their customers
while Iran does not and cannot. Period!!!
 
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 06, 2018, 09:06:26 PM
my core point was direct and simple wrong.
The Saudi's have multiple ways to move a small portion their oil without the persian gulf and supply their customers
while Iran does not and cannot has a port on the Caspian Sea and natural gas pipelines into Turkey. Period!!!

Fixed your typos.  You seem to forgotten all the other countries.  That 18 million barrel per day is not coming from only Saudi.  Most of it is from other countries.

(https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis_includes/countries_long/Iran/images/iran_map.png)

Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: bigheadfred on November 06, 2018, 10:02:51 PM
I saw a data stream that would seemingly prove @Absalom is correct.

While I cannot verify that information, the logic, or logistics, appear valid.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: Absalom on November 06, 2018, 11:11:16 PM
Fixed your typos.  You seem to forgotten all the other countries.  That 18 million barrel per day is not coming from only Saudi.  Most of it is from other countries.

(https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis_includes/countries_long/Iran/images/iran_map.png)
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Tolstoy asserted;
"Truth is clear, direct and simple while pretentiousness is complicated, opaque and wordy."
Surely he was thinking of you!
Saudi has access to the world Sea Lanes while Iran has access to an enclosed lake. Wow!
Prediction here is that Saudi will win easily since this recalls an earlier struggle.
Some 24 centuries ago, another Iranian announced that he was going to teach those
uppity Greeks a lesson. So Darius of Persia mobilized an enormous Army and chose
the locale of battle. He and the Greeks of Alexander, while outnumbered 12 to 1, clashed
in 331 BC at Arbela (Mosul, Iraq) where the Persians w/their pretensions were annihilated.
But not to worry; as Iran is circling the drain no doubt you'll have already created a new
line of malarkey, along w/appropriate maps, which rationalize that what happened actually
didn't happen at all. Why of course!!!
Bye-bye!!!!!




Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 07, 2018, 08:27:14 AM
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Tolstoy asserted;
"Truth is clear, direct and simple while pretentiousness is complicated, opaque and wordy."
Surely he was thinking of you!
Saudi has access to the world Sea Lanes while Iran has access to an enclosed lake. Wow!
Prediction here is that Saudi will win easily since this recalls an earlier struggle.
Some 24 centuries ago, another Iranian announced that he was going to teach those
uppity Greeks a lesson. So Darius of Persia mobilized an enormous Army and chose
the locale of battle. He and the Greeks of Alexander, while outnumbered 12 to 1, clashed
in 331 BC at Arbela (Mosul, Iraq) where the Persians w/their pretensions were annihilated.
But not to worry; as Iran is circling the drain no doubt you'll have already created a new
line of malarkey, along w/appropriate maps, which rationalize that what happened actually
didn't happen at all. Why of course!!!
Bye-bye!!!!!

None of your comment address the lack of pipelines available to find other routes for a significant part of the 18 million barrels a day you proposed blockading.  Not only would the countries sending that oil out retaliate against such a blockade, so would the rest of the world.  Those receiving that oil need it as well.  And those not directly receiving it would be greatly impacted by massive spike in oil prices around the world.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: catfish1957 on November 07, 2018, 08:33:38 AM
None of your comment address the lack of pipelines available to find other routes for a significant part of the 18 million barrels a day you proposed blockading.  Not only would the countries sending that oil out retaliate against such a blockade, so would the rest of the world.  Those receiving that oil need it as well.  And those not directly receiving it would be greatly impacted by massive spike in oil prices around the world.

From oil transport / prices to 2500 year old battles?  WTF?
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: thackney on November 07, 2018, 08:38:53 AM
From oil transport / prices to 2500 year old battles?  WTF?

When the original idea is shown to be nonsense, deflect, deflect, deflect....
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: TomSea on November 07, 2018, 12:52:29 PM
@thackney

Anyone can ping me or the powers to be, certainly not me, if they wish to have a dedicated Iran thread stickied to the top. If I missed any comment wanting to have that, please accept my apologies.

This potentially could be even a much bigger news story, I've even seen some articles speaking of war and so forth. I don't think/hope that will happen.  It could be considered though.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: Absalom on November 08, 2018, 05:05:27 PM
From oil transport / prices to 2500 year old battles?  WTF?
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Cat, my original point was direct and simple but sadly
got tangled in all the weed searching and scratching.
Saudi Arabia has the strategic advantage because of
it's access to both the Indian Ocean and Mediterranean.
Iran does not because of Hormuz, its neighbors and is a
loser here. Suspect today's oil price was an ominous harbinger.
That was all!
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: Absalom on November 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
I saw a data stream that would seemingly prove @Absalom is correct.

While I cannot verify that information, the logic, or logistics, appear valid.
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Fred,
Earlier I made a jest/remark that was uncalled for.
As such, I apologize.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: bigheadfred on November 08, 2018, 08:18:02 PM
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Fred,
Earlier I made a jest/remark that was uncalled for.
As such, I apologize.

The great forum you are a valued member of.  I have and will get profane. There iare a lot of things we all will agree or disagree on. Mostly in agreement against the darkness of light.

The older this stick gets, the more it gets set in the mud.

I actually watched a movie, the other night, with my g-kids. (I don't watch movies). but there was a line in there. Some woman saying "the government wouldn't lie to us". "Religious" or Political". They all lie.

I'll be called out later for my words actions and deeds, but don't think you are posting in the wrong place. I get most of what you are saying.   And I ain't gonna call on the clown posse, to back me up.

Keep on. I enjoy it, even when I don't enjoin it.

Peace out.
Title: Re: Iran will defy US sanctions and sell oil, President Rouhani says
Post by: bigheadfred on November 08, 2018, 08:28:51 PM
And hey, come over the Member's lounge. It has everything for every member here. People just talking to people. With their hair down.

And that guy snoring under the pool table? It is merely @Frank Cannon . He twitches sometimes.

Which is literally a pain in the azz...when you are trying to sleep under the pool table.