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Title: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 08, 2018, 12:51:51 PM
GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party

By Morgan Gstalter - 09/08/18 10:24 AM EDT


Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) acknowledged on Twitter Saturday morning that he “regularly” considers leaving the Republican Party.

Sasse responded to a Twitter user who said they switched from being a member of the Democratic Party to being a "no-party" voter and asked the GOP senator if he ever considered following suit.

“Yep — regularly consider it (except the 'from Dem' part)” Sasse wrote. Sasse frequently criticizes his own party and President Trump.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/405691-gop-senator-acknowledges-that-hes-regularly-considers-leaving-republican (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/405691-gop-senator-acknowledges-that-hes-regularly-considers-leaving-republican)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 12:58:38 PM
He's clearly part of the Deep State...when was he elected?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 08, 2018, 01:11:52 PM
I thought Nebraska was set up a bit more for independents, they do have that one legislative branch there, one legislative body. But good for Ben Sasse.  At the least, Nebraska is more of a place, one might be able to say this in a safer way.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 01:12:55 PM
He's clearly part of the Deep State...when was he elected?

@Once-Ler

Um wow...I think you pegged this one about 180degrees out of phase.   Sasse was elected in 2015.  Do a YouTube search for “Ben Sasse Kavanaugh hearing” and see if that strikes you as a deep stater.     Pretty much the only “conservatives” who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 08, 2018, 01:26:38 PM
Sasse didn't qualify that tweet much as to why, other than the exodus from the party started with Bush. Which didn't stop The HIll from morphing it into what they wanted it to be, and adding pseudo-Republicans like Comey, Schmidt, and Boehner.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 01:27:52 PM
@Once-Ler

Um wow...I think you pegged this one about 180degrees out of phase.   Sasse was elected in 2015.  Do a YouTube search for “Ben Sasse Kavanaugh hearing” and see if that strikes you as a deep stater.     Pretty much the only “conservatives” who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.

Amen!!!  The problem with Sasse?..............There isn't any.  The problem is with the Trump administration smearing good Americans who have taken oaths to serve.  This Senator knows his job.  He understands the Constitution and the separate powers of government.  He is a good man that loves his country and his family.

And likely if Ben Sasse said the swamp needed to be drained he would be talking about restoring the government to the original purposes of their powers.  To fight crime in our government and those who would diminish what was given to us by the Founders.  He certainly would not think that he could drain half of the swamp.

And if Ben Sasse ever runs for President he has my vote.  No matter who he is running against.

Expand more:

The other night I watched Trump at his rally on FOX News.  Who does he love?  Shawn Hannity, and Judge Jenine.  Who are they?  Television personalities, that who.  Judge Jenine is hardly judge at all.  I have read her biography.  She describes herself as fiscally conservative and socially liberal.  Shawn Hannity is opinion personality on FOX News.  What have either done for the country besides continually sell Donald Trump, and believe me he needs selling.  Because he contradicts himself continuously.  Wants a wall but signs bloated bills that strap our children with debt with no clear funding.  He keeps shouting about draining the swamp yet when Manafort and Cohen are found guilty of crimes he tweets what good men they are.  Complains that Sessions is doing his job bringing charges against Republicans.  Like a child saying your picking on us. 

The fan club has "picked" on Ben Sasse but I am certain that he is better than the majority of Trumps Administration which is falling apart. 

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 01:32:23 PM
Sasse didn't qualify that tweet much as to why, other than the exodus from the party started with Bush. Which didn't stop The HIll from morphing it into what they wanted it to be, and adding pseudo-Republicans like Comey, Schmidt, and Boehner.

That tweet was a mistake and took a bit of the Sasse luster off for me.  Ben made a huge impression with that mini-speech at the hearing.  It's even been posted on my Facebook page.  It had me thinking of a future President Sasse and maybe a few other people as well.

But he will be throwing away his future completely if he says another word about leaving the Republican Party. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 08, 2018, 01:37:04 PM
That tweet was a mistake and took a bit of the Sasse luster off for me.  Ben made a huge impression with that mini-speech at the hearing.  It's even been posted on my Facebook page.  It had me thinking of a future President Sasse and maybe a few other people as well.

But he will be throwing away his future completely if he says another word about leaving the Republican Party.

I tweeted back, thanking him for the speech, but asking him shouldn't he be more pissed at McConnell and the turncoats for not getting anything done?

If he doesn't like Trump's demeanor, to each his own I guess, but if we're focused on results, the problem lies in the very body he serves in.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 01:41:05 PM
Ben needs to shut his Twitter mouth even more than Trump does.

It's one thing for petulant TBR posters to deride the Republican Party.

It's quite another for a Republican Senator to do so.

I hope he will quickly clarify this, perhaps by saying something like, The Republican Party is not perfect and I'm occasionally dissatisfied with various actions but it remains the country's only hope to remain a Republic.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 01:41:54 PM
I tweeted back, thanking him for the speech, but asking him shouldn't he be more pissed at McConnell and the turncoats for not getting anything done?

If he doesn't like Trump's demeanor, to each his own I guess, but if we're focused on results, the problem lies in the very body he serves in.

McConnell has redeemed himself a tiny bit lately.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 08, 2018, 01:46:37 PM
McConnell has redeemed himself a tiny bit lately.

True, gotta give him props for the judges.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 01:47:47 PM
True, gotta give him props for the judges.

Yep!  And how important is that !!!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 01:53:35 PM
He's clearly part of the Deep State...

Are you high?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
That tweet was a mistake and took a bit of the Sasse luster off for me.  Ben made a huge impression with that mini-speech at the hearing.  It's even been posted on my Facebook page.  It had me thinking of a future President Sasse and maybe a few other people as well.

But he will be throwing away his future completely if he says another word about leaving the Republican Party.

Who cares?  You wait on every word from Trump as do all of his fan club.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: darroll on September 08, 2018, 01:56:49 PM
Gee....
This just proves that libs run as Republicans just to get elected. Congress is full of these.
Does this remind anyone about the latest crap?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 01:57:12 PM
Who cares?  You wait on every word from Trump as do all of his fan club.

You should get an award for that post.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 01:58:15 PM
That tweet was a mistake and took a bit of the Sasse luster off for me.  Ben made a huge impression with that mini-speech at the hearing.  It's even been posted on my Facebook page.  It had me thinking of a future President Sasse and maybe a few other people as well.

But he will be throwing away his future completely if he says another word about leaving the Republican Party.

Republican means little since last election.  Trump selects the "Republicans" he thinks are "Republicans", the rest are dumped on like Ben Sasse.  And Trump isn't Republican.  If you have read the history of his political aspirations he took them in name only because he knew a third party could not win.  He has even described what he said his party would be and it is Workers Party.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 01:59:25 PM
You should get an award for that post.

Thank you, I will take it but it wasn't my best!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 02:00:47 PM
The reason I am so upset about this is that I like Sasse a lot and I think he has a future in the leadership of the country.

But it is childish and thoughtless for him to throw it away in a silly tweet.

Ted Cruz is probably equally disgusted with some of the Republicans but he would never do that.

Ben is young, good-looking and incredibly smart.  I hate to see him throw it away on some pie-in-the-sky notion of some perfect party out there somewhere.

He has to work within the party and he won't get anywhere by making an enemy of his own party.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 02:01:14 PM
Thank you, I will take it but it wasn't my best!

Oh, but it was.  It was your very best.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
Ben needs to shut his Twitter mouth even more than Trump does.

It's one thing for petulant TBR posters to deride the Republican Party.

It's quite another for a Republican Senator to do so.

@Emjay

How exactly did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"?  Please be specific.

(And for the record, nothing makes the Republican Party look worse than seeing Republican politicians reneg on their promises once elected.  Sasse has remained true to his.)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 08, 2018, 02:05:23 PM
Sasse is a squish.  I stand with @Frank Cannon on him.  Which is with a boot on his scrawny neck.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 08, 2018, 02:06:58 PM
GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party

By Morgan Gstalter - 09/08/18 10:24 AM EDT


Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) acknowledged on Twitter Saturday morning that he “regularly” considers leaving the Republican Party.

 
 

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out,bubba!

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 08, 2018, 02:09:38 PM
McConnell has redeemed himself a tiny bit lately.

@Emjay

He hanged himself?

COOL! I hadn't heard.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 08, 2018, 02:11:01 PM
Are you high?

@Once-Ler   @Hoodat

This is Once-Ler. How could you tell?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 02:11:33 PM
@Emjay

How exactly did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"?  Please be specific.

(And for the record, nothing makes the Republican Party look worse than seeing Republican politicians reneg on their promises once elected.  Sasse has remained true to his.)

Without going back and reading the exact wording, I believe he replied to a tweet asking if he ever thought about changing parties and he said he did.

I believe that carries at least a whiff of derision for the Republican Party and it was a huge mistake.  Not totally unforgiveable if he quickly attempts to explain and disclaim.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 02:12:28 PM
McConnell redeemed himself when he jumped on the Trump Train back in early 2016 just to keep Ted Cruz out of the White House.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 02:13:13 PM
@Emjay

He hanged himself?

COOL! I hadn't heard.

Not yet, Sneaky, but he has done a masterful job getting the Kavanaugh hearings through the Senate.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 02:13:58 PM
as I said upthread:

“Pretty much the only “conservatives” who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.”

And the usual suspects are chiming in, proving my point exactly....
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 02:14:53 PM
as I said upthread:

“Pretty much the only “conservatives” who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.”

And the usual suspects are chiming in, proving my point exactly....

A QED moment indeed.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 08, 2018, 02:17:20 PM
I tweeted back, thanking him for the speech, but asking him shouldn't he be more pissed at McConnell and the turncoats for not getting anything done?

If he doesn't like Trump's demeanor, to each his own I guess, but if we're focused on results, the problem lies in the very body he serves in.

Are you on Twitter as Free Vulcan?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 02:18:51 PM
as I said upthread:

“Pretty much the only “conservatives” who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.”

And the usual suspects are chiming in, proving my point exactly....

That is ridiculous.  I posted yesterday on the hearings thread how impressed I was with Sasse.

And I have repeatedly stated that the only reason I am upset by his tweet is that I do like him and don't want him to throw his political future away.

Do you have any sensible response?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 02:20:27 PM
Are you high?
@Hoodat @Axeslinger @Chosen Daughter
I was actually being sarcastic to make a point.  I think Sen Sasse is fully awesome and he could be the future of the party that splinters off the GOP.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 02:25:14 PM
@Hoodat @Axeslinger @Chosen Daughter
I was actually being sarcastic to make a point.  I think Sen Sasse is fully awesome and he could be the future of the party that splinters off the GOP.

By the time a viable party with a chance of winning could splinter off of the GOP, even Sasse will be too old to run.

His only chance for a political future will be to stick with and try to improve the Republican Party.  We have a small but growing number of really smart Senators who can accomplish this, especially if we can add to their ranks and get rid of the deadwood.  Lee, Cruz, Sasse ... to name a few.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 02:25:25 PM
Without going back and reading the exact wording,  .  .

There's your first mistake.


I believe he replied to a tweet asking if he ever thought about changing parties and he said he did.

I didn't ask you what he replied to.   I asked you what he said.  Specifically, how did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"?


I believe that carries at least a whiff of derision for the Republican Party and it was a huge mistake.

So now it's minimized to "at least a whiff of derision"?  And all this was done without actually reading what he tweeted?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
The reason I am so upset about this is that I like Sasse a lot and I think he has a future in the leadership of the country.

But it is childish and thoughtless for him to throw it away in a silly tweet.

Ted Cruz is probably equally disgusted with some of the Republicans but he would never do that.

Ben is young, good-looking and incredibly smart.  I hate to see him throw it away on some pie-in-the-sky notion of some perfect party out there somewhere.

He has to work within the party and he won't get anywhere by making an enemy of his own party.

There is no Republican party anymore.  It is a huge experiment in reality show.

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It’s not the first time, second, third, fourth, or even fifth. It’s the sixth time that he has talked about being president.................................

cont.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/2016-donald-trump-history-toying-presidential-run (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/2016-donald-trump-history-toying-presidential-run)

Under a President Donald Trump, the Republican Party would become a different one, a broad, populist coalition focused on workers who have gone too long without a raise and on social programs the party establishment has long seen as anathema to its long-term success.

“Love the question,” Trump said in response to a question from Bloomberg Businessweek's Joshua Green in a profile of Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus published Thursday. The article bears the headline, "How to Get Trump Elected When He’s Wrecking Everything You Built."
.
“Five, 10 years from now — different party. You’re going to have a worker’s party," Trump said in the May 17 interview. "A party of people that haven’t had a real wage increase in 18 years, that are angry."


https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-gop-workers-party-223598 (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-gop-workers-party-223598)

The many ways in which Donald Trump was once a liberal’s liberal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/09/ths-many-ways-in-which-donald-trump-was-once-a-liberals-liberal/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f6f5d6c2dc3a (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/09/ths-many-ways-in-which-donald-trump-was-once-a-liberals-liberal/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f6f5d6c2dc3a)

And is it any wonder that Trump would call Manafort a good man even though he clearly broke the law?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruption (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruption)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 02:29:28 PM
There's your first mistake.


I didn't ask you what he replied to.   I asked you what he said.  Specifically, how did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"?


So now it's minimized to "at least a whiff of derision"?  And all this was done without actually reading what he tweeted?

What is wrong with you?  Give it up.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 02:32:11 PM
Ben Sasse Conducts a Two-Minute Master Class in American Civics

By David French     |     September 4, 2018 6:50 PM


Look, I’m the first to admit I’m biased about Ben Sasse. I consider him a friend, and my wife has worked for him on various projects. I like Ben Sasse, but I like Sasse in part because of moments like this — moments when he puts on what is best described as a short master class in civics and the role of the judiciary in the American constitutional republic. Watch and learn:

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1037052337234366465 (https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1037052337234366465)

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kavanaugh-hearings-ben-sasse-civics-lesson-supreme-court/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kavanaugh-hearings-ben-sasse-civics-lesson-supreme-court/)


THIS is Conservatism!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 02:34:12 PM
By the time a viable party with a chance of winning could splinter off of the GOP, even Sasse will be too old to run.

His only chance for a political future will be to stick with and try to improve the Republican Party.  We have a small but growing number of really smart Senators who can accomplish this, especially if we can add to their ranks and get rid of the deadwood.  Lee, Cruz, Sasse ... to name a few.

Just to be clear "Lee, Cruz, Sasse" are the "really smart Senators" not the "deadwood?"  Agreed. wink777
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 08, 2018, 02:37:29 PM
@Hoodat @Axeslinger @Chosen Daughter
I was actually being sarcastic to make a point.  I think Sen Sasse is fully awesome and he could be the future of the party that splinters off the GOP.

I hope he takes you to nirvana...The band... not the plain of existence
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 08, 2018, 02:37:55 PM
   Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters.  It's a low mileage vehicle with a full frame and we can drop a 454 in it.

(http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/constitution-party.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: austingirl on September 08, 2018, 02:38:15 PM
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 02:39:30 PM
I hope he takes you to nirvana...The band... not the plain of existence
I just hope I can shower less after saying I still have conservative opinions.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 02:40:11 PM
Just to be clear "Lee, Cruz, Sasse" are the "really smart Senators" not the "deadwood?"  Agreed. wink777

I had to read it twice too.  I thought she was suggesting they were the deadwood.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 08, 2018, 02:43:21 PM
I just hope I can shower less after saying I still have conservative opinions.

It is important to build up a protective crust.  Showering too much makes you susceptible to illness and liberal thoughts......  Both are detrimental to your overall well-being
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 02:43:38 PM
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?

I never even thought that someone would suggest that but you did.  LOL! 

At Trumps rally he suggests to the crowd we love Judge Jeanine don’t we?  Cheers from the Trump fans!!  But Judge Jeanine describes herself and it is a far cry from “Republican” , at least as I know it.  And more closely describes what Ted Cruz accurately said during a Presidential debate which was “New York Values”........................


During an appearance at the Crime Victims Resource Center, Pirro described herself this way: "I am red on fiscal policy. I am conservative and I support the Bush tax cut." She added, however: "I have broad blue stripes when it comes to social issues... I am a woman who is a moderate in New York."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanine_Pirro

It might be more of a case of not knowing what Republican party is anymore.  But I assure you that Sasse would not be going left, but toward the original intent of the government set up by the Founding
Fathers.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 02:56:30 PM
It might be more of a case of not knowing what Republican party is anymore.  But I assure you that Sasse would not be going left, but toward the original intent of the government set up by the Founding
Fathers.

Oh you and your conservative values, integrity, freedom, and Constitutional limits.  Outdated.  Loser.  Sad.  Many people are saying this.  /sarc...just in case it's needed
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 02:57:27 PM
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?

Thanks @austingirl for bringing a little sanity back to this discussion.

Sasse wasn't hinting that he was attracted to the democrat party.  He was expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican Party and hinting (or saying) that he'd considered changing parties.

I was disappointed, just as I am disappointed when semi-sane people like @corbe dream about a Constitution Party.

Any attempt at all to create a third party right now would just weaken the Republican Party and leave the door wide open for democrats.  With the democrat party as filled with a mix of crazy and crazier, it would lead to complete disaster.

The best chance a third party ever had or ever will have was Dallas Billionaire H. Ross Perot.  This guy managed to attract a LOT of people and all he succeeded in doing was getting Clinton elected.

A lot of people got hysterical at me on this thread because I was upset with Sasse even though I made it clear that I like Sasse very much and think he is one of the great (white) hopes for the party.

I do not want him to drift over into Never Never Land because of annoyance with Republicans.  We're on a pretty good roll right now even with Trump and should soon have two really good new Justices in the court.  I am thrilled with Kavanaugh.  He did not put a foot wrong.  Could Trump have nominated two better people?  Don't see how.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 08, 2018, 03:05:16 PM
   Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters.  It's a low mileage vehicle with a full frame and we can drop a 454 in it.

(http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/constitution-party.jpg)

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 08, 2018, 03:05:25 PM
Thanks @austingirl for bringing a little sanity back to this discussion.

Sasse wasn't hinting that he was attracted to the democrat party.  He was expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican Party and hinting (or saying) that he'd considered changing parties.

I was disappointed, just as I am disappointed when semi-sane people like @corbe dream about a Constitution Party.

Any attempt at all to create a third party right now would just weaken the Republican Party and leave the door wide open for democrats.  With the democrat party as filled with a mix of crazy and crazier, it would lead to complete disaster.

The best chance a third party ever had or ever will have was Dallas Billionaire H. Ross Perot.  This guy managed to attract a LOT of people and all he succeeded in doing was getting Clinton elected.

A lot of people got hysterical at me on this thread because I was upset with Sasse even though I made it clear that I like Sasse very much and think he is one of the great (white) hopes for the party.

I do not want him to drift over into Never Never Land because of annoyance with Republicans.  We're on a pretty good roll right now even with Trump and should soon have two really good new Justices in the court.  I am thrilled with Kavanaugh.  He did not put a foot wrong.  Could Trump have nominated two better people?  Don't see how.


   That's the same thing the Whigs told Lincoln in 1858 and we know how that turned out @Emjay The War of Northern Aggression, so you may have a point. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 08, 2018, 03:07:39 PM
Thanks @austingirl for bringing a little sanity back to this discussion.

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The best chance a third party ever had or ever will have was Dallas Billionaire H. Ross Perot.  This guy managed to attract a LOT of people and all he succeeded in doing was getting Clinton elected.


Emjay

Not true. He got a YUGE government contract for his company to digitize ALL the SS records,and IIRC,it was signed in the WH within a week of Bubba being sworn in. Which led to a YUGE increase in the stock value of his company,allowing him to take  home a YUGE profit when he pretty much immediately sold it.

Ross,the weasel,Perot. He hated the Bush Crime Family almost as much as I do,but it took profits to get  him to commit what amounted to treason by being paid to overthrow the election.



Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 08, 2018, 03:08:28 PM
Are you on Twitter as Free Vulcan?

I am, see link below.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 08, 2018, 03:08:46 PM
It might be more of a case of not knowing what Republican party is anymore.  But I assure you that Sasse would not be going left, but toward the original intent of the government set up by the Founding Fathers.

That is something both the Democrat and Republican Party loathe more than anything. 

So if Sasse wants to move into something that promotes the original intent of the Founders in terms of governance, then he will have to do it in a new party - because the intents of the Founders and Conservative principles are as eschewed and held in contempt by the GOP as it is the Dems.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 08, 2018, 03:09:19 PM

Emjay

Not true. He got a YUGE government contract for his company to digitize ALL the SS records,and IIRC,it was signed in the WH within a week of Bubba being sworn in. Which led to a YUGE increase in the stock value of his company,allowing him to take  home a YUGE profit when he pretty much immediately sold it.

Ross,the weasel,Perot. He hated the Bush Crime Family almost as much as I do,but it took profits to get  him to commit what amounted to treason by being paid to overthrow the election.


A lot of people got hysterical at me on this thread because I was upset with Sasse even though I made it clear that I like Sasse very much and think he is one of the great (white) hopes for the party.

I do not want him to drift over into Never Never Land because of annoyance with Republicans.  We're on a pretty good roll right now even with Trump and should soon have two really good new Justices in the court.  I am thrilled with Kavanaugh.  He did not put a foot wrong.  Could Trump have nominated two better people?  Don't see how.

Pete, that's crazytalk.  You're saying that Perot threw the election because Clinton promised him a big government contract? 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 08, 2018, 03:11:26 PM
Pete, that's crazytalk.  You're saying that Perot threw the election because Clinton promised him a big government contract?

@Sanguine

Yes,for profits as well as his hatred of the Bush Crime Family.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 03:18:07 PM
   Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters.  It's a low mileage vehicle with a full frame and we can drop a 454 in it.

(http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/constitution-party.jpg)

 :patriot:   :thumbsup:

https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/three-pillars/ (https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/three-pillars/)

https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/mission-statement/ (https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/mission-statement/)

Perhaps there are other good men and women tired of corrupt politics.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 03:20:42 PM
That is ridiculous.  I posted yesterday on the hearings thread how impressed I was with Sasse.

And I have repeatedly stated that the only reason I am upset by his tweet is that I do like him and don't want him to throw his political future away.

Do you have any sensible response?

@Emjay

Well now...isn’t it illuminating that you assumed I was referring to you?   Eminently sensible, I’d say.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 03:22:34 PM
Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?

You describe both the Democrat and the Republican parties here, the latter having just handed Planned Parenthood a check for half a billion dollars of the taxpayers' money while refusing to fund a wall.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 08, 2018, 03:28:46 PM
Amen!!!  The problem with Sasse?..............There isn't any.  The problem is with the Trump administration smearing good Americans who have taken oaths to serve.  This Senator knows his job.  He understands the Constitution and the separate powers of government.  He is a good man that loves his country and his family.

Sasse looks pretty decent to me.  Has Trump said anything about Sasse?

Quote
The fan club has "picked" on Ben Sasse but I am certain that he is better than the majority of Trumps Administration which is falling apart.

As a matter of curiosity:  Who do you dislike in the Trump administration at this time?

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 03:30:35 PM
You describe both the Democrat and the Republican parties here, the latter having just handed Planned Parenthood a check for half a billion dollars of the taxpayers' money while refusing to fund a wall.
@Hoodat
Smackdown against Trump and the GOP?!?  You must love ISIS and M13.  Go back to DU.  Hillary lost, get over it.  blah blah blah.  We don't like that.  You know the rest you traitorous thinker.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 03:31:55 PM
lol
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
There is no Republican party anymore.  It is a huge experiment in reality show.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0f_xeTo4YVA/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 03:34:09 PM
@Hoodat
Smackdown against Trump and the GOP?!?  You must love ISIS and M13.  Go back to DU.  Hillary lost, get over it.  blah blah blah.  We don't like that.  You know the rest you traitorous thinker.

LOL!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 08, 2018, 03:34:33 PM
Sasse looks pretty decent to me.  Has Trump said anything about Sasse?

As a matter of curiosity:  Who do you dislike in the Trump administration at this time?


   That's a Trick Question, isn't it, @the_doc ?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 03:34:44 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0f_xeTo4YVA/hqdefault.jpg)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/z9AUvhAEiXOqA/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 03:43:58 PM
Sasse looks pretty decent to me.  Has Trump said anything about Sasse?

As a matter of curiosity:  Who do you dislike in the Trump administration at this time?
Let's start with the ones in prison, then the ones under investigation, then the ones who resigned in disgrace, then the ones currently under a cloud of scandal, then the ones who said they wanted to eliminate their departments before they started getting a paycheck, and that leaves Nikki.  I like Nikki.

Linda McMahon has been ok as Administrator of the Small Business Administration too.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 03:45:04 PM
Sasse looks pretty decent to me.  Has Trump said anything about Sasse?

As a matter of curiosity:  Who do you dislike in the Trump administration at this time?

Sasse is a NeverTrumper.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 08, 2018, 03:52:04 PM
@Chosen Daughter
Let's start with the ones in prison, then the ones under investigation, then the ones who resigned in disgrace, then the ones currently under a cloud of scandal, then the ones who said they wanted to eliminate their departments before they started getting a paycheck, and that leaves Nikki.  I like Nikki.

Linda McMahon has been ok as Administrator of the Small Business Administration too.

The operative phrase was:  in the Trump Administration at this time.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 03:52:30 PM
   That's a Trick Question, isn't it, @the_doc ?

@the_doc  and @corbe

Considering that Trump doesn't even know who to like in his own administration.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 03:54:18 PM
@Chosen Daughter
The operative phrase was:  in the Trump Administration at this time.

and the administration list will yet be reduced again once they find op-ed author.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 08, 2018, 03:56:09 PM
Sasse is a NeverTrumper.

You should definitely purge him from your party then.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 08, 2018, 03:57:06 PM
@the_doc  and @corbe

Considering that Trump doesn't even know who to like in his own administration.

A lot of the folks in his administration are bureaucratic holdovers.  (Some of his early appointments were disasters, of course, like McMaster--who was reporting to Soros, of all things.)

Still, what has Trump said about Sasse?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 03:58:18 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0f_xeTo4YVA/hqdefault.jpg)

It OK because you love drama.  Trump is the biggest drama King.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5hiMnUsO-DLVcusOJTEu--R5xtQClsjYHK8bh6vfj3t5WmrrRWA)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 08, 2018, 04:01:11 PM
and the administration list will yet be reduced again once they find op-ed author.

I'm not completely convinced that the op-ed author was "in the Trump administration."  Even then, not likely an important official.

Don't get me wrong.  I don't like Trump.  But I don't hate him.  I think he is trying hard at his job, even if he is a bull in a china shop--like some many folks on TBR would be if they were POTUS.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
You should definitely purge him from your party then.

NeverTrumpers tend to purge themselves. I have no problem with Sasse being in the GOP. But I do
think he is stupid to want to see Hillary as POTUS. No serious conservative would want to see that.
In the real world you have to make hard choices. Thankfully there were enough of us to save the
country from Hillary. You can thank us later.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 04:05:06 PM
The operative phrase was:  in the Trump Administration at this time.

@the_doc
OK, sorry, got it...
Take out the ones in prison, and the ones who resigned in disgrace...that leaves then the ones under investigation, and the ones currently under a cloud of scandal, then the ones who said they wanted to eliminate their departments before they started getting a paycheck, so

So Nikki and Linda.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 04:05:07 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0f_xeTo4YVA/hqdefault.jpg)

Nope!  Not that entertaining.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 04:05:12 PM
Sasse is a NeverTrumper.

Uh, no.  Sasse is a NeverLiberal.  And clearly, you are not.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 08, 2018, 04:05:48 PM
 @jpsb
 Sasse has never said anything nice about hellary NOR has anyone here, NT or AT alike.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:06:21 PM
Sasse is a NeverTrumper.

@jpsb

Oh look!!! Another one proving my point!

Y’all are so utterly predictable. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 04:06:37 PM
@Emjay

Well now...isn’t it illuminating that you assumed I was referring to you?   Eminently sensible, I’d say.

Don't be childish @Axeslinger   Are you saying you were NOT referring to me?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 08, 2018, 04:06:56 PM
NeverTrumpers tend to purge themselves. I have no problem with Sasse being in the GOP. But I do
think he is stupid to want to see Hillary as POTUS. No serious conservative would want to see that.
In the real world you have to make hard choices. Thankfully there were enough of us to save the
country from Hillary. You can thank us later.

Whoa,  I never heard that Sasse wanted to see HRC as POTUS.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:08:23 PM
Nope!  Not that entertaining.

@Emjay

Hmmmm....I notice you didn’t bother to answer the very polite question I asked you upthread...I wonder why that would be?!?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 04:10:46 PM
Sasse is a NeverTrumper.

I don't think so @jpsb   People over on TOS cannot stand him because he wasn't for Trump during the primaries.  But I don't think he's an NTer now.  I could be wrong but I think he respects the job Trump is doing even though Trump's personality may grate on him.

It is entirely possible for a sane person to realize that Trump is doing a decent job as President and support him in that role even while being somewhat offended by some of his personal traits.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 04:12:10 PM
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?

You assume a binary choice, which is a falsity.
And might I say that the Republicans are also a party of abortion and open borders... you may only argue as to the degree.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
@Emjay

Hmmmm....I notice you didn’t bother to answer the very polite question I asked you upthread...I wonder why that would be?!?

Good luck with that.  I'm still waiting for her to point out the part of Sasse's tweet that "derided the Republican Party".
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 04:13:55 PM
Whoa,  I never heard that Sasse wanted to see HRC as POTUS.
That's because because @the_doc is using a Trumpian technique described by President Trump in his competently written and grammatically correct book Art of the Deal as "truthful hyperbole."
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:15:58 PM
NeverTrumpers tend to purge themselves. I have no problem with Sasse being in the GOP. But I do
think he is stupid to want to see Hillary as POTUS. No serious conservative would want to see that.
In the real world you have to make hard choices. Thankfully there were enough of us to save the
country from Hillary. You can thank us later.

@jpsb

So...do tell...

Sasse has the third highest conservative rating behind only Mike Lee and Rand Paul...so by your statement above, he is not a serious conservative, yet his rating puts the lie to your nonsense...so I guess we shall infer that the ONLY thing in your fevered brain that qualifies as “serious conservative” is supporting trump?

It’s a logical conclusion from your “facts” as you’ve stated them above.  Thanks for going on record and posting the trumper lunacy for all to see.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:17:50 PM
Don't be childish @Axeslinger   Are you saying you were NOT referring to me?
@Emjay
Are you admitting you are a member of the trump fanboy club?  Well that certainly would put many of your comments in a new light...

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 04:19:09 PM
@jpsb

Oh look!!! Another one proving my point!

Y’all are so utterly predictable.

Nope just telling the truth

In early 2016, while both parties' presidential primary election seasons were in progress, Sasse announced that he would not support Republican front-runner Donald Trump should Trump become the party's candidate; he was the first sitting senator to make such an announcement. Sasse questioned Trump's commitment to the U.S. Constitution, in particular accusing him of attacking the First Amendment; he stated that Trump had refused to condemn the Ku Klux Klan; and he suggested that Trump "thinks he's running for King". He stated that if Trump won the party's nomination, then he would vote neither for him nor for Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, but would probably "look for some third candidate—a conservative option, a Constitutionalist". According to a Sasse spokesman, he did not say that he would necessarily leave the party if Trump was nominated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sasse
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:20:52 PM
I don't think so @jpsb   People over on TOS cannot stand him because he wasn't for Trump during the primaries.  But I don't think he's an NTer now.  I could be wrong but I think he respects the job Trump is doing even though Trump's personality may grate on him.

It is entirely possible for a sane person to realize that Trump is doing a decent job as President and support him in that role even while being somewhat offended by some of his personal traits.

@Emjay

Finally!!! Thank you for finally seeing the light for what 99.9% of the NTs on this site have been saying for 2+ years.   I will assume you will encourage your AT buddies to cease their Perpetual derision towards us. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 08, 2018, 04:23:36 PM
@Emjay

Finally!!! Thank you for finally seeing the light for what 99.9% of the NTs on this site have been saying for 2+ years.   I will assume you will encourage your AT buddies to cease their Perpetual derision towards us.

The last intelligent post on this thread  was a couple of pages ago before the NTers woke up from their hangovers.  I won't be posting on this particular thread until Mesaclone or Maj Bill Martin gets on it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:23:42 PM
Nope just telling the truth


That you wouldn’t know a “serious conservative” if they walked up and kicked you in the ass?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 04:23:47 PM
I don't think so @jpsb   People over on TOS cannot stand him because he wasn't for Trump during the primaries.  But I don't think he's an NTer now.  I could be wrong but I think he respects the job Trump is doing even though Trump's personality may grate on him.

It is entirely possible for a sane person to realize that Trump is doing a decent job as President and support him in that role even while being somewhat offended by some of his personal traits.

Not even close Emjay.  Sasse has been very outspoken about Trump and continues to be when appropriate.  You have misunderstood his speech during the Cavanaugh confirmation hearings.  It wasn't a cheering speech to affirm Trumps Supreme Court Choice.  It was a speech about government and how we should determine whether Cavanaugh is the right choice, which I believe he thought he is.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:26:45 PM
The last intelligent post on this thread  was a couple of pages ago before the NTers woke up from their hangovers.  I won't be posting on this particular thread until Mesaclone or Maj Bill Martin gets on it.
@Emjay

Yes...run along...until others come along who will back up your bias come to save you...

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 04:26:48 PM
Whoa,  I never heard that Sasse wanted to see HRC as POTUS.

One of two people was going to be POTUS. Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Any conservative that
did not vote R was helping Hillary. Any liberal that did not vote D was helping Trump. Since one of
them was going to get elected. Only in la la land was there a viable 3rd option. Understand that I
have thrown my vote away before too. I just could not bring myself to vote McCain in 2008 so I
went third party. Immigration is primary issue to me and McCain meant amnesty so I just could
not pull the lever for him. I effectively helped Zero.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 04:29:10 PM
Nope just telling the truth

He stated that if Trump won the party's nomination, then he would vote neither for him nor for Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, but would probably "look for some third candidate—a conservative option, a Constitutionalist".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sasse

Wow.  Someone unwilling to sacrifice his Conservative convictions.  Thanks for posting.  I like Sasse even more after reading that.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 08, 2018, 04:29:58 PM
You can thank us later.

That will never happen.  We have nothing to thank you for except excusing larger trillion dollar deficits and a continuous 'us versus them clownshow'.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 04:33:18 PM
I effectively helped Zero.
Why would I listen to an Obama lover?  J/K It's OK America survived, and it will survive Trump too.  Perhaps even thrive when he is impeached.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:37:05 PM
One of two people was going to be POTUS. Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Any conservative that
did not vote R was helping Hillary. Any liberal that did not vote D was helping Trump. Since one of
them was going to get elected. Only in la la land was there a viable 3rd option. Understand that I
have thrown my vote away before too. I just could not bring myself to vote McCain in 2008 so I
went third party. Immigration is primary issue to me and McCain meant amnesty so I just could
not pull the lever for him. I effectively helped Zero.

@jpsb

Hahahahaha the hypocrisy is rich with you...you bash people for doing the EXACT same thing you did in the election before?!?
Thank you for showing all of us that everything you say is merely self-serving and is free to be ignored!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 04:37:32 PM
Wow.  Someone unwilling to sacrifice his Conservative convictions.  Thanks for posting.  I like Sasse even more after reading that.

I don't like people willing to send this country into a Marxist hell whole just so they can say they were
pure and stood by there principle when that means the country gets ruined. Screw them they are
cowards, afraid to make the hard choices when the going get tough.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:39:08 PM
I don't like people willing to send this country into a Marxist hell whole just so they can say they were
pure and stood by there principle when that means the country gets ruined. Screw them they are
cowards, afraid to make the hard choices when the going get tough.

So you hate yourself for doing the same thing the election before.  Have you sought help for your self-loathing?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 04:40:43 PM
@jpsb

Hahahahaha the hypocrisy is rich with you...you bash people for doing the EXACT same thing you did in the election before?!?
Thank you for showing all of us that everything you say is merely self-serving and is free to be ignored!

I would do it all over again, McCain was no conservative there were two progressive liberals on the
ballot I voted for neither. Trump on the other hand has proven to be quite conservative on policy.
And ran to the right of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 04:42:52 PM
A lot of the folks in his administration are bureaucratic holdovers.  (Some of his early appointments were disasters, of course, like McMaster--who was reporting to Soros, of all things.)

Still, what has Trump said about Sasse?

Although he may have I don't have any quotes from the President.  Sasse is honest about his feelings on policy and they don't match with Trump.  For instance this assessment of farm bailout.

Key GOP senators rip Trump's farm bailout: 'America’s farmers don’t want to be paid to lose'



Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) speaks with reporters ahead of the weekly policy luncheons on Capitol Hill in Washington, July 24, 2018.     
Aaron P. Bernstein | Reuters

Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) speaks with reporters ahead of the weekly policy luncheons on Capitol Hill in Washington, July 24, 2018.


Republican senators Tuesday condemned the Trump administration's $12 billion bailout plan for farmers hit by crippling tariffs on their goods.
 
Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., came out swinging against the newly proposed aid package, describing it as a pair of "gold crutches" to support the farmers hobbled by President Donald Trump's own trade policy.

“This trade war is cutting the legs out from under farmers and the White House’s ‘plan’ is to spend $12 billion on gold crutches," Sasse, a frequent Trump critic, said in a statement.


"America’s farmers don’t want to be paid to lose — they want to win by feeding the world. This administration’s tariffs and bailouts aren’t going to make America great again, they’re just going to make it 1929 again,” he added.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/24/keygop-senators-rip-trumps-incoherent-farm-bailout.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/24/keygop-senators-rip-trumps-incoherent-farm-bailout.html)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 04:43:47 PM
I guess we shall infer that the ONLY thing in your fevered brain that qualifies as “serious conservative” is supporting trump?

@Axeslinger

Just as liberals have arrogated the meaning of the word 'gay' to mean 'homosexual', these Trump sycophants have done the same thing with the word 'Conservative' to mean 'anything Trump does or says'.

When Trump was applauding the Kelo court decision - something so far left that Bernie Sanders couldn't get on board with - the Trump sycophants were applauding his 'conservative' creds.  When Trump was championing touchback amnesty during the campaign, his followers were praising his 'conservative' position.  When Trump hired on Paul Manafort, the man responsible for defeating Reagan in 1976, the Trumpsters praised him for cementing his 'conservative' base.  And when Trump reached to the throne of the swamp to name Reince Priebus as his Chief oif Staff, the Trump lemmings praised him for the brilliance of this 'conservative' coup.

I ain't buying into this nonstop BS.  Conservatism to me is an ideal - not a personality.  When Trump takes a Conservative position, I will praise him for it.  But I refuse to praise something as 'Conservative' simply because Trump is the one doing it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 04:43:50 PM
So you hate yourself for doing the same thing the election before.  Have you sought help for your self-loathing?

One more time John McCain was a progressive liberal and a warmonger no way in hell I could vote
for a warmongering progressive liberal. I did that twice with W Bush. Never Again.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:49:41 PM
@Axeslinger

Just as liberals have arrogated the meaning of the word 'gay' to mean 'homosexual', these Trump sycophants have done the same thing with the word 'Conservative' to mean 'anything Trump does or says'.

When Trump was applauding the Kelo court decision - something so far left that Bernie Sanders couldn't get on board with - the Trump sycophants were applauding his 'conservative' creds.  When Trump was championing touchback amnesty during the campaign, his followers were praising his 'conservative' position.  When Trump hired on Paul Manafort, the man responsible for defeating Reagan in 1976, the Trumpsters praised him for cementing his 'conservative' base.  And when Trump reached to the throne of the swamp to name Reince Priebus as his Chief oif Staff, the Trump lemmings praised him for the brilliance of this 'conservative' coup.

I ain't buying into this nonstop BS.  Conservatism to me is an ideal - not a personality.  When Trump takes a Conservative position, I will praise him for it.  But I refuse to praise something as 'Conservative' simply because Trump is the one doing it.

@Hoodat

Oh I know...I’m just shining a spotlight on their hypocrisy...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Axeslinger on September 08, 2018, 04:51:58 PM
One more time John McCain was a progressive liberal and a warmonger no way in hell I could vote
for a warmongering progressive liberal. I did that twice with W Bush. Never Again.

@jpsb

One more time...that was YOUR personal line that you would not cross...and yet you are all over this thread and this board bashing people for merely having a DIFFERENT personal line.  That is incredibly hypocritical, self-serving and arrogant of you.  Thanks for letting us all know.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 04:53:22 PM
One more time John McCain was a progressive liberal and a warmonger no way in hell I could vote
for a warmongering progressive liberal. I did that twice with W Bush. Never Again.

That's hilarious!  And you criticize others for doing the same?  This is the same reason I couldn't vote for Trump.  He isn't a Conservative.  He is a New York liberal.  Actually, he is Workers Party.

Actually that is a big problem.  There is no way to identify what this party now is.

Self-described


Trump speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in 2015.
Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[27]

In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats [...] But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."[28] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."[27] .......................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
Immigration is primary issue to me and McCain meant amnesty so I just could
not pull the lever for him.

Yet in 2016, you voted for the guy who supported touchback amnesty, while I voted for the guy who said all illegals should be deported and never let back in.  So which of those two positions is the 'Conservative' one?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 04:56:44 PM
That's hilarious!  And you criticize others for doing the same?  This is the same reason I couldn't vote for Trump.  He isn't a Conservative.  He is a New York liberal.  Actually, he is Workers Party.

Happily Trump is proving you wrong and me right. Hopefully in 2020 you will have come to your senses.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 04:59:17 PM
Yet in 2016, you voted for the guy who supported touchback amnesty, while I voted for the guy who said all illegals should be deported and never let back in.  So which of those two positions is the 'Conservative' one?

And you voted for the guy that supported amnesty for illegals and TPP. That touch back amnesty is
BS and you know it.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CwVrfydjOI#)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 05:00:54 PM
Happily Trump is proving you wrong and me right. Hopefully in 2020 you will have come to your senses.

Are you sure?  By 2020 who knows what Trump will be.

Self-described


Trump speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in 2015.
Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[27]

In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats [...] But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."[28] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."[27] .......................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 08, 2018, 05:06:50 PM
I'm not completely convinced that the op-ed author was "in the Trump administration."  Even then, not likely an important official.

Don't get me wrong.  I don't like Trump.  But I don't hate him.  I think he is trying hard at his job, even if he is a bull in a china shop--like some many folks on TBR would be if they were POTUS.

That went over a lot of heads, but it was so good I had to highlight it.

@the_doc   :beer:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 05:08:16 PM
That touch back amnesty is BS and you know it.

Really?  Check out what Trump said:

Trump: I’d ‘Expedite’ Legal Immigration Process for ‘Good’ Illegals After Getting Them Out (https://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/27/trump-id-expedite-legal-immigration-process-for-good-illegals-after-getting-them-out/)

Trump: Deport illegals, but expedite the return of “the good ones” for legal status (https://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/30/trump-deport-illegals-but-expedite-the-return-of-the-good-ones-for-legal-status/)


And for the record, Cruz did not support amnesty nor TPP.  But then you already knew that.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 05:09:08 PM
Are you sure?  By 2020 who knows what Trump will be.

Self-described


Trump speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in 2015.
Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[27]

In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats [...] But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."[28] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."[27] .......................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump)

I'm just looking at what Trump has done as president.

• Appointed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and more than 75 other constitutionally sound federal judges, 30 of which are serving.

• Reinstated an expanded Mexico City Policy blocking foreign aid from being used for abortions.

• Cracked down on illegal immigration and “sanctuary cities.” As Attorney General Jeff Sessions put it: “The lawlessness, the abdication of the duty to enforce our laws, and the catch and release policies of the past are over.”

• Issued an order killing two federal regulations for every new one. In actuality, 16 were cut for every new one in his first year, saving billions.

• Engineered a historic tax cut that will save money for more than 80 percent of American households.

• Withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Climate Agreement, ending the threat of U.S. governance by international bureaucrats.

• Reversed onerous Obama environmental rules that gave the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ham-handed authority to destroy the coal industry and abrogate landowners’ rights.

• Kick-started America’s energy sector by curtailing regulations, facilitating the Keystone XL Pipeline and opening up vast federal areas to oil and gas exploration.

• Presided over an economic and stock market boom, lowered unemployment and brought manufacturing jobs back to America from overseas.

• Rebuilt the nation’s military, destroyed ISIS and faced down North Korea’s “Rocket Man.”

• Issued an order enforcing First Amendment protections for religious liberty.

• Restored the freedom of military chaplains to espouse biblical morality, and essentially reversing Mr. Obama’s transgender military policy.

• Revoked the Education Department’s order that public schools allow gender-confused males access to girls’ restrooms and locker rooms.

• Cracked down on sex trafficking. President Trump signed a law allowing states to move against sex-ad Internet sites, and the Justice Department on April 6 seized and shut down Backpage.com, which carried ads for prostitution, including trafficked children.

• Overhauled the mismanaged Veterans Administration and giving veterans more health care choices.

• Replaced Obamacare incrementally, beginning with a repeal of the individual mandate.

• Imposed sanctions on Venezuela’s socialist dictatorship and revising Mr. Obama’s deals with communist Cuba.

• Recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and repairing damage that Mr. Obama did to the U.S.-Israel relationship.

• Worked with Central American nations to crack down on MS-13 gangs.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/6/giving-trumps-accomplishments-their-due/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/6/giving-trumps-accomplishments-their-due/)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 05:10:50 PM
I don't like people willing to send this country into a Marxist hell whole just so they can say they were
pure and stood by there principle when that means the country gets ruined. Screw them they are
cowards, afraid to make the hard choices when the going get tough.

The country is lost without those principles.
The EASY way is voting for the lesser evil, with a return to principle things always kicked down the road somewhere.

The coward is the one who doesn't stand upon his beliefs.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
Really?  Check out what Trump said:

Trump: I’d ‘Expedite’ Legal Immigration Process for ‘Good’ Illegals After Getting Them Out (https://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/27/trump-id-expedite-legal-immigration-process-for-good-illegals-after-getting-them-out/)

Trump: Deport illegals, but expedite the return of “the good ones” for legal status (https://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/30/trump-deport-illegals-but-expedite-the-return-of-the-good-ones-for-legal-status/)


And for the record, Cruz did not support amnesty nor TPP.  But then you already knew that.

So he was lying in the video I posted above? And he was lying went he wrote an op ed in support of TPP?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 08, 2018, 05:13:49 PM
   Living in your Binary World for a second here @jpsb, A President Cruz would have done all that and more. 
   Without all the turnover and Drama. /JS
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 05:14:03 PM
The country is lost without those principles.
The EASY way is voting for the lesser evil, with a return to principle things always kicked down the road somewhere.

The coward is the one who doesn't stand upon his beliefs.

I don't like killing people, it is against my principles but when the nation went to war I enlisted.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 05:15:37 PM
And you voted for the guy that supported amnesty for illegals and TPP. That touch back amnesty is
BS and you know it.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CwVrfydjOI#)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409)

Cruz voted against the bill.  The purpose of his amendment was to alienate others to vote against it.  It is beyond dishonest to spin this any other way.

Cruz opposed the bill.  Cruz worked his ass off to see it defeated.  Cruz employed tactics that exposed the hypocrisy of those supporting it.  It was the Conservative thing to do.  And yet you bash him for it while still voting for a man who expressly stated his belief in support of touchback amnesty - something that Ted Cruz NEVER does in that video.

And here we are over two years later, yet you still can't come to terms with the truth.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 05:18:11 PM
   Living in your Binary World for a second here @jpsb, A President Cruz would have done all that and more. 
   Without all the turnover and Drama. /JS
If Cruz could not beat Trump in the republican primaries he did not stand a chance against Hillary
in the general. Cruz in trouble in the very red state of Texas and he's going to beat Hillary? In your
dreams.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 05:22:36 PM
Cruz voted against the bill.  The purpose of his amendment was to alienate others to vote against it.  It is beyond dishonest to spin this any other way.

Cruz opposed the bill.  Cruz worked his ass off to see it defeated.  Cruz employed tactics that exposed the hypocrisy of those supporting it.  It was the Conservative thing to do.  And yet you bash him for it while still voting for a man who expressly stated his belief in support of touchback amnesty - something that Ted Cruz NEVER does in that video.

And here we are over two years later, yet you still can't come to terms with the truth.

Here is Rand Paul is he a liar too?

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbiI0G5Yrl4#)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 05:23:13 PM
If Cruz could not beat Trump in the republican primaries he did not stand a chance against Hillary
in the general. Cruz in trouble in the very red state of Texas and he's going to beat Hillary? In your
dreams.

Its a symptom of Trumpism.  Red isn't red anymore.
 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 05:25:05 PM
• Reinstated an expanded Mexico City Policy blocking foreign aid from being used for abortions.

Yet we fund the Israeli Military which offers abortion to its citizens and military.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-abortion-law-now-among-worlds-most-liberal/ (https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-abortion-law-now-among-worlds-most-liberal/)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 08, 2018, 05:28:18 PM
   IMHO @jpsb even Pataki could have beat her, Trump was the only one that couldn't and even he pulled it off.


   (http://img10.3lian.com/show2013/03/14/67.jpg)

                    Sweet Dreams, Hardly.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 05:28:51 PM
I don't like killing people, it is against my principles but when the nation went to war I enlisted.

See, that's an odd thing. If you are indeed against killing people, then you should have stood upon that principle and been a conscientious objector. If you believe that as truth, then your convictions are remarkably facile.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 05:29:34 PM
So he was lying in the video I posted above?

Nowhere in that video does Ted Cruz state that he supports amnesty.  Nowhere.


And he was lying went he wrote an op ed in support of TPP?

Here is a copy of the editorial. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409?cb=logged0.19801042323816564 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409?cb=logged0.19801042323816564)

If you actually took time to read it for yourself instead of spouting off 2-year-old lies on reflex, you will find that it addresses TPA - not TPP.  But then 'truth' has never mattered to the Trump sycophants.

btw, Cruz voted against TPP.  Here's the rollcall on the final bill:

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?&congress=114&session=1&vote=00219 (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?&congress=114&session=1&vote=00219)

Lies make Jesus cry.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 05:30:48 PM
Yet in 2016, you voted for the guy who supported touchback amnesty, while I voted for the guy who said all illegals should be deported and never let back in.  So which of those two positions is the 'Conservative' one?
I'm not sure you see the huge distinction between McCain's "Build The Damn Wall," and the far more plausible and inspiring statement from stable genius Trump "Mexico will pay for it." 

 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 05:42:56 PM
Here is Rand Paul is he a liar too?

Liar?  He makes a subjective statement that is not true.  But that is not the same as saying something he knows in advance is not true, just as you have done.

Paul says that Cruz wanted the bill to pass.  Yet Cruz voted 'No' on the bill.  I have a hard time reconciling a 'No' vote as indicating he wanted the bill to pass.   But that's just me.  In your world, you obviously see a 'No' vote as the equivalent of telling INS to take the next ten years off.  Likewise, you see Trump saying that he would expedite the return of millions of illegals into this country and granting them legal status as the equivalent of building a wall.  But that's just you.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 08, 2018, 05:45:06 PM
See, that's an odd thing. If you are indeed against killing people, then you should have stood upon that principle and been a conscientious objector. If you believe that as truth, then your convictions are remarkably facile.

It's called maturing.  It's called evolving.  For love of country!

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 08, 2018, 05:45:14 PM
The country is lost without those principles.
The EASY way is voting for the lesser evil, with a return to principle things always kicked down the road somewhere.

@roamer_1 Do you think McCain got returned to the US Senate term after term because conservative voters in AZ, who failed to oust McCain in the primaries, pinched their noses and voted for the lesser evil?  And when he dropped the thumb on repealing Obamacare...do you think they resented themselves?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 05:48:18 PM
It's called maturing.  It's called evolving.  For love of country!

@DCPatriot
No. It is weak and beggarly. If something is TRUE, then follow truth.
There is nothing to be gained in supporting a lie.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 08, 2018, 05:51:20 PM
Liar?  He makes a subjective statement that is not true.  But that is not the same as saying something he knows in advance is not true, just as you have done.

Paul says that Cruz wanted the bill to pass.  Yet Cruz voted 'No' on the bill.  I have a hard time reconciling a 'No' vote as indicating he wanted the bill to pass.   But that's just me.  In your world, you obviously see a 'No' vote as the equivalent of telling INS to take the next ten years off.  Likewise, you see Trump saying that he would expedite the return of millions of illegals into this country and granting them legal status as the equivalent of building a wall.  But that's just you.

Don't be dense, he wanted the bill to pass if his amendment (no pathway to citizenship) was included in the bill.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 05:56:47 PM
@roamer_1 Do you think McCain got returned to the US Senate term after term because conservative voters in AZ, who failed to oust McCain in the primaries, pinched their noses and voted for the lesser evil? 

@Once-Ler
Yes, I do. And I think it a dreadful mistake.

Quote
And when he dropped the thumb on repealing Obamacare...do you think they resented themselves?

They should have at least been made aware of what a mistake they made.

But I will offer another view: Like here, city folk are not as conservative as the country folk. And like here, the cities are engorged by citizens from other places, seeking to retire and bringing their citified ways with them... Thus the attitudes of the locals are co-opted.

Likely, you get 20 miles out of Phoenix, McCain doesn't get many votes.

OR, folks are still more likely there to pull the lever for the big, rhinestone 'R', which is yet another (though associated) malady.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 05:58:10 PM
Don't be dense, he wanted the bill to pass if his amendment (no pathway to citizenship) was included in the bill.

Don't be an idiot.  He wanted the bill to fail if he voted 'No'.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 08, 2018, 06:01:21 PM
@DCPatriot
No. It is weak and beggarly. If something is TRUE, then follow truth.
There is nothing to be gained in supporting a lie.

Sounds like you're virtue-signaling there.  :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 06:05:36 PM
Sounds like you're virtue-signaling there.  :shrug:

@DCPatriot
How I HATE that term. It leaves no room for the idea that there are people that walk the walk.

And it is a piss-poor excuse for not standing upon what you believe to be true.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 08, 2018, 06:23:56 PM
@DCPatriot
How I HATE that term. It leaves no room for the idea that there are people that walk the walk.

And it is a piss-poor excuse for not standing upon what you believe to be true.

@roamer_1
In the example to which you replied...you suggested a lie, if even to himself, that he TRULY didn't believe in killing people, yet enlisted.

I hate the term too.  But if it looks like a horse...    :laugh:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 08, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
@roamer_1
In the example to which you replied...you suggested a lie, if even to himself, that he TRULY didn't believe in killing people, yet enlisted.

I hate the term too.  But if it looks like a horse...    :laugh:

Keep beating it long after it's dead?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 08, 2018, 06:32:12 PM
It's called maturing.  It's called evolving.  For love of country!

That is exactly the same stupid thing Leftist tell us about how we need to view the Constitution.

So once again, you people prove there is little difference between yourselves and the rabid Left.  Just the difference in whom you follow as your political messiahs.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 06:36:20 PM
@roamer_1
In the example to which you replied...you suggested a lie, if even to himself, that he TRULY didn't believe in killing people, yet enlisted.

I hate the term too.  But if it looks like a horse...    :laugh:

@DCPatriot
A principle is a 'first thing'. a thing that is self-evidently true, and always true.
If one is under the conviction that killing people is wrong, always wrong, then joining the military would not be standing upon truth, which is rather, supporting a lie - Living a lie.

Either he was lying to himself, or he was too timid to stand upon the truth, as he described it, or as he knew it at the time. There can be no other answers.

Whether his conviction was right or wrong is not the point. That he was not willing to stand upon that conviction is the point.

Any time one yields to the lie, for whatever reason, one diminishes the truth.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Elderberry on September 08, 2018, 06:38:28 PM
See, that's an odd thing. If you are indeed against killing people, then you should have stood upon that principle and been a conscientious objector. If you believe that as truth, then your convictions are remarkably facile.

So you believe that conscientious objectors should not enlist in order to serve Our Country?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 06:41:25 PM
So you believe that conscientious objectors should not enlist in order to serve Our Country?

Yes, or to be able to enlist in a fashion that does not impede their conscience. Anything else is coercive.
There are other ways to serve.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 08, 2018, 06:43:02 PM
That is exactly the same stupid thing Leftist tell us about how we need to view the Constitution.

So once again, you people prove there is little difference between yourselves and the rabid Left.  Just the difference in whom you follow as your political messiahs.

LOL!  We can set our watches to you....stalker.

How many people in your family currently don't believe in killing people?   Virtually everybody that 'normal', that's who.  Or, did I overshoot a little here?

He was probably a teenager too.  @jpsb   

Gimme a break.   Give us all a break.  You're buffoonish.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 08, 2018, 06:46:51 PM
@DCPatriot
A principle is a 'first thing'. a thing that is self-evidently true, and always true.
If one is under the conviction that killing people is wrong, always wrong, then joining the military would not be standing upon truth, which is rather, supporting a lie - Living a lie.

Either he was lying to himself, or he was too timid to stand upon the truth, as he described it, or as he knew it at the time. There can be no other answers.

Whether his conviction was right or wrong is not the point. That he was not willing to stand upon that conviction is the point.

Any time one yields to the lie, for whatever reason, one diminishes the truth.

I love your writing.  I love your intellect.   But, in the end, all we've got is bullsh*t here.

Following your reasoning here, everyone serving in the military today believes in killing people.

 22222frying pan

roamer    DCPatriot
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 06:47:01 PM
How many people in your family currently don't believe in killing people?   Virtually everybody that 'normal', that's who.  Or, did I overshoot a little here?

@DCPatriot
That's certainly not true.
The commandment is not to murder

I am perfectly fine with killing folks that need killing.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 06:49:24 PM
I love your writing.  I love your intellect.   But, in the end, all we've got is bullsh*t here.

Following your reasoning here, everyone serving in the military today believes in killing people.

 22222frying pan

roamer    DCPatriot

@DCPatriot
Thank you for that, and I answered this just above in my last post.
Everyone who is killing people DO believe in killing people, or they would not be killing people.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 08, 2018, 06:51:10 PM
@DCPatriot
That's certainly not true.
The commandment is not to murder

I am perfectly fine with killing folks that need killing.

Well, Mr. 'Anal'....perhaps @jpsb felt exactly the same way at the time?   

Especially, if they killed fellow Americans or are in the process thereof.  He didn't say what event resulted in his enlistment.

I think you're just jerking my chain here.    :laugh:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 06:57:53 PM
Well, Mr. 'Anal'....perhaps @jpsb felt exactly the same way at the time?   

@DCPatriot
I am only going by what he said. He said he didn't believe in killing people. That leaves no room for justification.

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Especially, if they killed fellow Americans or are in the process thereof.  He didn't say what event resulted in his enlistment.

Then we have moved from no killing to justified killing, which is not 'no killing'...

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I think you're just jerking my chain here.    :laugh:

No, if anything I am jerking @jpsb 's chain, whom I respect, btw.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Elderberry on September 08, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
Yes, or to be able to enlist in a fashion that does not impede their conscience. Anything else is coercive.
There are other ways to serve.
So people should remain in a Safe Zone? You think people don't need, or have, any intestinal fortitude to stand up to coercion?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 07:18:20 PM
So people should remain in a Safe Zone? You think people don't need, or have, any intestinal fortitude to stand up to coercion?

@Elderberry
Lest we wander off too far, let me first enumerate that 'chickenshit' is not a foundational principle. And I do understand that many who are chickenshit will lean upon 'conscientious objector' to stay out of the way of it...

But with that said, YES, one who has a principled stand against killing, should not be made to do so. Many people of faith are so ascribed. If they can be made useful in the supply chain then that should be enough. It is a team sport, after all. He's saving American lives if he is making their Humvees run well.


Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 08, 2018, 07:20:13 PM
@Chosen Daughter
@the_doc
OK, sorry, got it...
Take out the ones in prison, and the ones who resigned in disgrace...that leaves then the ones under investigation, and the ones currently under a cloud of scandal, then the ones who said they wanted to eliminate their departments before they started getting a paycheck, so

So Nikki and Linda.

I did not ask who you like among those in the Trump admin at this time, but who you dislike.  So far I've gotten no response, but I am still very curious. 

 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Elderberry on September 08, 2018, 07:28:33 PM
@Elderberry
Lest we wander off too far, let me first enumerate that 'chickenshit' is not a foundational principle. And I do understand that many who are chickenshit will lean upon 'conscientious objector' to stay out of the way of it...

But with that said, YES, one who has a principled stand against killing, should not be made to do so. Many people of faith are so ascribed. If they can be made useful in the supply chain then that should be enough. It is a team sport, after all. He's saving American lives if he is making their Humvees run well.
@roamer_1

If one has a principled stand against killing, how is anyone going to force him to kill? Its not going to happen. I had read many years ago that there are around 9 soldiers to support every 1 soldier on the front lines. Therefore there are many jobs for conscientious objectors to fill in the military without personally killing.

My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist. That's a hell of a thing to say, in my mind.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 08, 2018, 07:30:58 PM
My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist.

@roamer_1 never made that claim.

Nevermind.  I now see the nuance of that claim.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 07:35:12 PM
@roamer_1

If one has a principled stand against killing, how is anyone going to force him to kill? Its not going to happen. I had read many years ago that there are around 9 soldiers to support every 1 soldier on the front lines. Therefore there are many jobs for conscientious objectors to fill in the military without personally killing.

My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist. That's a hell of a thing to say, in my mind.

@Elderberry
I don't believe I said they should not enlist - But OK, let's go with that... To be more specific, An Amish man would not enlist, because their reading of the Word dispenses with all killing of hoomin beans, to include supporting roles. I respect their conviction, and their way. I do not think lesser of them as Americans or as a people for that conviction, founded in principle as they see it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Elderberry on September 08, 2018, 07:39:39 PM
@Elderberry
I don't believe I said they should not enlist - But OK, let's go with that... To be more specific, An Amish man would not enlist, because their reading of the Word dispenses with all killing of hoomin beans, to include supporting roles. I respect their conviction, and their way. I do not think lesser of them as Americans or as a people for that conviction, founded in principle as they see it.

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Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
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Quote from: Elderberry on Today at 05:38:28 PM

    So you believe that conscientious objectors should not enlist in order to serve Our Country?


Yes, or to be able to enlist in a fashion that does not impede their conscience. Anything else is coercive.
There are other ways to serve.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: SZonian on September 08, 2018, 07:47:22 PM
@roamer_1

If one has a principled stand against killing, how is anyone going to force him to kill? Its not going to happen. I had read many years ago that there are around 9 soldiers to support every 1 soldier on the front lines. Therefore there are many jobs for conscientious objectors to fill in the military without personally killing.

My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist. That's a hell of a thing to say, in my mind.
I don't believe anyone here is telling you such a thing...it's very easy to misinterpret what is typed on the internet vs. what one actually means...case in point...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacksaw_Ridge
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 07:49:37 PM
Did I not understand when You answered Yes to my question?


@Elderberry
No, you understood me right. Just not as expansively as I would have liked. Let me reiterate plainly:

An Amish man, as I said, would not enlist, as a conscientious objector, and I am alright with that.

Folks of other faiths/beliefs might well enlist, but not serve on the front, being useful in the supply chain as conscientious objectors.  I am alright with that too.

It is a matter of conscience.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Fishrrman on September 08, 2018, 08:09:58 PM
Social media users quickly responded, arguing that Trump has pushed lifelong Republicans from the party.
“He is accelerating the trend, obviously,” Sasse said to the claim. “But it didn’t start two years ago.


Go ahead, Mr. Sasse, be my guest.
Leave. Please leave.
But... leave your Senate seat vacant, so a real Senator on our side can fill it.

You ain't on our side, and you're simply keeping it warm.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 08:14:46 PM
Social media users quickly responded, arguing that Trump has pushed lifelong Republicans from the party.
“He is accelerating the trend, obviously,” Sasse said to the claim. “But it didn’t start two years ago.


Go ahead, Mr. Sasse, be my guest.
Leave. Please leave.
But... leave your Senate seat vacant, so a real Senator on our side can fill it.

You ain't on our side, and you're simply keeping it warm.

Alright - But then stop calling 'your side' Conservative.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 08, 2018, 08:25:39 PM
Alright - But then stop calling 'your side' Conservative.

We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...
..It makes its own sauce...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 08:27:25 PM
We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...
..It makes its own sauce...

... Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 08, 2018, 08:31:57 PM
... Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...

I don't know...sounds like you are singing to us about the trials and tribulations of garage-band husbandry.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 08:38:48 PM
I don't know...sounds like you are singing to us about the trials and tribulations of garage-band husbandry.

Because y'all have left your principles behind for the sake of winning. That's alright, knock yourself out - But don't call it Conservatism, because it ain't.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 08, 2018, 08:45:29 PM
Because y'all have left your principles behind for the sake of winning. That's alright, knock yourself out - But don't call it Conservatism, because it ain't.

Okay them.  We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 08:47:15 PM
Okay them.  We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...

.. Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 09:56:50 PM
.. Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...

The fallacy of voting for lesser of evils.  Trump was a poker hand.  His voting and political history is all over the place.  I don't regret not voting for him.  Especially now seeing what chaos comes from hiring someone who's only knowledge is to run a business by whatever corrupt deals you can make.  Gives you an administration mess.  Its like an HBO White House series.


Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 08, 2018, 10:13:58 PM
.. Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...

The White Zone is for loading and unloading only
If you gotta load or unload, go to the White Zone
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 10:42:17 PM
The fallacy of voting for lesser of evils.  Trump was a poker hand.  His voting and political history is all over the place.  I don't regret not voting for him.  Especially now seeing what chaos comes from hiring someone who's only knowledge is to run a business by whatever corrupt deals you can make.  Gives you an administration mess.  Its like an HBO White House series.

As predicted.
I won't be voting Republican any time soon.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 08, 2018, 10:49:04 PM
As predicted.
I won't be voting Republican any time soon.
Well just stick to church-oriented social activities then...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 10:52:42 PM
As predicted.
I won't be voting Republican any time soon.

For me not the lesser of two evils for sure.  If there isn't a good candidate to vote for I won't vote.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 10:59:48 PM
Well just stick to church-oriented social activities then...

Like courting mega-donors for Right-to-Life causes? Maybe I will again... but only if the money is flowing to the Constitution party. I flatly refuse to work for the party of broken promises anymore... Not another damn dime.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 11:00:43 PM
For me not the lesser of two evils for sure.  If there isn't a good candidate to vote for I won't vote.

DITTOS.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 08, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
Like courting mega-donors for Right-to-Life causes? Maybe I will again... but only if the money is flowing to the Constitution party. I flatly refuse to work for the party of broken promises anymore... Not another damn dime.

It will be interesting to see what the Constitution Party brings for 2020.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sighlass on September 08, 2018, 11:08:52 PM
   Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters.
(http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/constitution-party.jpg)


I wouldn't mind seeing him in the Constitutional party as well, it needs a good few faces since at times it draws some fringer elements.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 08, 2018, 11:11:36 PM
It will be interesting to see what the Constitution Party brings for 2020.

It is strong up in here... Northern ID, even more so...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 09, 2018, 12:34:48 AM
The Sanhedrin and the Romans both laughed and scoffed at the First Century Christians.  Both said they would come to nothing and have zero influence on the world.  One ended up trying to exterminate them by force, and the other criminalized them socially, and within the confines of their jurisdictions, over nothing more than the fact that Christians represented principles that they both hated and saw as a threat to their rule and domination.

Republicans and Democrats view Principled Conservatives in the same way.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 09, 2018, 01:35:12 AM
The Trump sycophants are unhappy with Ben Sasse because he doesn't always vote with Trump.  For example, when Congress voted on a budget that was over $1 trillion in the red, Trump said 'yes', but Sasse voted 'no'.  Or when Congress tried to pass that 2-year budget bill Trump wanted which contained a stimulus package larger than the one Obama got in 2009, Sasse voted against that too.  Or when Congress was too chickensh!t to do the right thing with the budget and instead passed a 2-week resolution so that they could take their Christmas vacations, Sasse said 'no'.  Or when Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling last year, again Sasse voted 'no'.

And for all this, each and every one a Conservative position, Sasse gets trashed by the Trump sycophants because he didn't vote for liberal positions the President wanted.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Applewood on September 09, 2018, 02:13:15 AM
Ben Sasse may not have to leave the party.  If the Republicans lose big in the midterms, the party might just fall apart on its own.  Trump can stop pretending and join the Democrats, along with the rest of the liberal Republicans.  Sasse and the few remaining conservatives in congress can either join the Constitution Party or form their own conservative party.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 09, 2018, 02:25:43 AM
The Trump sycophants are unhappy with Ben Sasse because he doesn't always vote with Trump.  For example, when Congress voted on a budget that was over $1 trillion in the red, Trump said 'yes', but Sasse voted 'no'.  Or when Congress tried to pass that 2-year budget bill Trump wanted which contained a stimulus package larger than the one Obama got in 2009, Sasse voted against that too.  Or when Congress was too chickensh!t to do the right thing with the budget and instead passed a 2-week resolution so that they could take their Christmas vacations, Sasse said 'no'.  Or when Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling last year, again Sasse voted 'no'.

And for all this, each and every one a Conservative position, Sasse gets trashed by the Trump sycophants because he didn't vote for liberal positions the President wanted.

Yep. Trump is only a symptom of where's the party has gone. The conservatives will either be forced to fold on their principles or be purged. McConnell has been on this path for years with little resistance.

It will be interesting to see what Cruz does. He's going to be forced to chose between his principles or the party. He won't be allowed to have both. I don't know what he's going to do.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 09, 2018, 03:15:14 AM
Yep. Trump is only a symptom of where's the party has gone. The conservatives will either be forced to fold on their principles or be purged. McConnell has been on this path for years with little resistance.

It will be interesting to see what Cruz does. He's going to be forced to chose between his principles or the party. He won't be allowed to have both. I don't know what he's going to do.

Many of us have already made that decision, before the coming purge - because the Republican leadership made their contempt of Conservatives who hold fast to principles and will not budge to compromise yet again with liberalism, plain and crystal clear.

The battered spouse of an adulterous party who is tired of practicing insanity - has shaken the dust off the feet - and have moved on to where liberty actually has a chance of not being watered down to nothing.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 09, 2018, 10:09:01 AM
It will be interesting to see what the Constitution Party brings for 2020.

@Chosen Daughter

Yeah,to maybe 17 people,tops.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 09, 2018, 12:53:33 PM
It is strong up in here... Northern ID, even more so...

@roamer_1

Check out 'Lawman' 1971 Burt Lancaster/Robert Ryan

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067333/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067333/)

That's you.  Marshall Jared Maddox  :laugh:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 09, 2018, 01:05:05 PM

Yeah,to maybe 17 people,tops.

Well considering liberty itself as the idea of the rule of law begat a nation that started with only 56 individuals, I'd say that mustard seeds are of great value to those who champion truth - and are despised by those who are cowards and seek safety in numbers.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 09, 2018, 01:20:29 PM
Yep. Trump is only a symptom of where's the party has gone. The conservatives will either be forced to fold on their principles or be purged. McConnell has been on this path for years with little resistance.

It will be interesting to see what Cruz does. He's going to be forced to chose between his principles or the party. He won't be allowed to have both. I don't know what he's going to do.

Ted Cruz was on Fox Business this morning and he was most impressive. 

He laid out a strong plan for the Republicans to win this fall and it did not involve folding any tents or moving away.

In fact, Cruz came out more strongly than I've ever seen him as a Trump supporter.  He stressed the importance of building the wall NOW.  He believes in it both for its actual effectiveness in stopping the flow of illegals into the country and as a symbolic gesture of fulfilling campaign promises; i.e. the will of the people.

Ted Cruz has proven that you don't have to be a little self-obsessed ninny nanny but that you can man up and help the party, even if you have to overcome differences with other people.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 09, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
Ben Sasse may not have to leave the party.  If the Republicans lose big in the midterms, the party might just fall apart on its own.  Trump can stop pretending and join the Democrats, along with the rest of the liberal Republicans.  Sasse and the few remaining conservatives in congress can either join the Constitution Party or form their own conservative party.

I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.

How can a sane person wish for that? 

There is not the faintest hope of any third party gaining power in 4, 8 or more years.  The dissolution or failure of Republicans would only lead to democrat rule.  In other words, socialist, crazy people rule.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 09, 2018, 01:27:54 PM
In fact, Cruz came out more strongly than I've ever seen him as a Trump supporter.  He stressed the importance of building the wall NOW.  He believes in it both for its actual effectiveness in stopping the flow of illegals into the country and as a symbolic gesture of fulfilling campaign promises; i.e. the will of the people.

What does any of that have to do with being a Trump supporter?  Cruz was saying that long before Trump decided to be a Republican.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 09, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
What does any of that have to do with being a Trump supporter?  Cruz was saying that long before Trump decided to be a Republican.

I don't understand the question.  I watched Ted Cruz.  He thinks that turnout is the major factor because the majority of people are for what the Republicans stand for as opposed to the democrats.  He came out for pushing the building of the wall.  What is your question?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 09, 2018, 01:55:52 PM
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.

How can a sane person wish for that? 

She did not 'wish' for it.  She was stating a supposition based on the fact that, should they lose - it will be well-deserved.

There is not the faintest hope of any third party gaining power in 4, 8 or more years. 

And the Tory Loyalists said it was an impossibility "in three lifetimes" that an independent nation could be born and prosper outside of Britain's rule.  Gotta start somewhere, because true Conservatism has been repudiated by the Republican party.

The dissolution or failure of Republicans would only lead to democrat rule.  In other words, socialist, crazy people rule.

So what?  That scare tactic has no longer works.  The last 9 years prove, when Republicans are given leadership - they govern exactly like Democrats do and even bigger spenders.  There 'aint a whit's difference between either party as far as principles and limited government go.  Just a couple degrees of separation of how each party will use Statist Government and what kind of constituents they reward with everyone else's money. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 09, 2018, 02:14:50 PM
@roamer_1

Check out 'Lawman' 1971 Burt Lancaster/Robert Ryan

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067333/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067333/)

That's you.  Marshall Jared Maddox  :laugh:

@DCPatriot
Well, I will take that as a compliment... Although every lawman up here would likely take offense at that comparison... to include my son.  I have rode around in a lot of squad cars... but I am usually in the back  :laugh: :beer:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 09, 2018, 02:22:03 PM
I don't understand the question.  I watched Ted Cruz.  He thinks that turnout is the major factor because the majority of people are for what the Republicans stand for as opposed to the democrats.  He came out for pushing the building of the wall.  What is your question?

You said:

Quote
In fact, Cruz came out more strongly than I've ever seen him as a Trump supporter.

What did you mean by "as a Trump supporter"?  Because Cruz has been strong on immigration long before Trump came on the scene.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 09, 2018, 03:00:04 PM
Sasse is a squish.  I stand with @Frank Cannon on him.  Which is with a boot on his scrawny neck.

He is a do nothing loser who never had a real job. He is also disliked in his state and has been since about 5 minutes after he was elected and people clued into the fact that he is a do nothing loser who never had a real job.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 09, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
You said:

What did you mean by "as a Trump supporter"?  Because Cruz has been strong on immigration long before Trump came on the scene.

It's a real shame you didn't watch the Cruz video.  It is available through Fox News.

I neither said nor implied that Cruz was not strong on immigration.  He's very strong, particularly since he's a Texan and Texas is greatly impacted.

What I said was he came out strong as a Trump supporter.  He emphasized that he is working with Trump and conferring with him weekly and sometimes daily.  I already knew he was helping Trump with Trump's agenda but he said it more strongly today.

I'm not sure what your problem is @Hoodat
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 09, 2018, 03:58:46 PM
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.

How can a sane person wish for that? 

A sane person couldn't, but I am never astonished at the foolishness of our NTers.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 09, 2018, 04:27:06 PM
I neither said nor implied that Cruz was not strong on immigration.  He's very strong, particularly since he's a Texan and Texas is greatly impacted.

What I said was he came out strong as a Trump supporter.  He emphasized that he is working with Trump and conferring with him weekly and sometimes daily.  I already knew he was helping Trump with Trump's agenda but he said it more strongly today.

I'm not sure what your problem is @Hoodat

@Emjay

Thank you for clarifying.  Your wording was ambiguous.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 09, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
A sane person couldn't, but I am never astonished at the foolishness of our NTers.

As if continuing to practice insanity by voting the same way, expecting different results and redefining liberalism as Conservatism to assuage your justifications for embracing what Democrats do,  is any more "sane" than those who rightly understand that should the Republicans lose - it will be well-deserved.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: bilo on September 09, 2018, 07:42:30 PM
What does any of that have to do with being a Trump supporter?  Cruz was saying that long before Trump decided to be a Republican.

You're right about Cruz.

Trump is a relative newcomer, but he did win the Presidency and he has been trying to do exactly what he campaigned on. We do have real growing economy again. We do have a needed reinvestment in our military. We do have conservative judges being nominated and confirmed. We do have a President who won't just let the issue of immigration go. Trump does deserve some credit I can't remember the last time we had a POTUS who actually went to DC and didn't change his tune, maybe Reagan but I can't think of anyone else.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Applewood on September 09, 2018, 08:26:26 PM
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.


Where did I say that?

The party has been heading for the crapper for a number of years.  Like many, I stuck it out, hoping that the party would come to its senses and straighten out.  But after years-- YEARS! -- of listening to and falling for the same phony promises and lies, I've had enough.  I had some hope that Ted Cruz and others could turn the party around, but I've had to face the reality that nothing will change.  The party is infested with liberals and there is no one interested in getting rid of the vermin.  Trump promised to drain the swamp, but once he became president, that promise, like so many others, was forgotten.

So now I don't care what happens to the party.  It's very possible Republicans will lose their majority in either or maybe both houses.  If they do, they have no one to blame but themselves.  I refuse to waste my vote on them anymore.  I will neither cry nor rejoice when the party falls, but I also will not take the blame for its demise.  Instead I will hope that from the ashes a new party will emerge, one that will genuinely embrace conservatism.  It may take years of Democrat rule for people to get tired of them too.  But they will tire of them and will be ready to embrace real conservatism. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 09, 2018, 08:28:50 PM
You're right about Cruz.

Trump is a relative newcomer, but he did win the Presidency and he has been trying to do exactly what he campaigned on. We do have real growing economy again. We do have a needed reinvestment in our military. We do have conservative judges being nominated and confirmed. We do have a President who won't just let the issue of immigration go. Trump does deserve some credit I can't remember the last time we had a POTUS who actually went to DC and didn't change his tune, maybe Reagan but I can't think of anyone else.

@bilo

And all that just seems to make them hate him more.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 09, 2018, 08:53:55 PM
Where did I say that?

The party has been heading for the crapper for a number of years.  Like many, I stuck it out, hoping that the party would come to its senses and straighten out.  But after years-- YEARS! -- of listening to and falling for the same phony promises and lies, I've had enough.  I had some hope that Ted Cruz and others could turn the party around, but I've had to face the reality that nothing will change.  The party is infested with liberals and there is no one interested in getting rid of the vermin.  Trump promised to drain the swamp, but once he became president, that promise, like so many others, was forgotten.

So now I don't care what happens to the party.  It's very possible Republicans will lose their majority in either or maybe both houses.  If they do, they have no one to blame but themselves.  I refuse to waste my vote on them anymore.  I will neither cry nor rejoice when the party falls, but I also will not take the blame for its demise.  Instead I will hope that from the ashes a new party will emerge, one that will genuinely embrace conservatism.  It may take years of Democrat rule for people to get tired of them too.  But they will tire of them and will be ready to embrace real conservatism.

Ditto that!  And right atcha @Emjay.  Oh, you have to vote Trump.  No, I don't.  It won't be on me if Democrats take over.  I don't want to see the Republican party turn into a mob party of corrupt politicians (which it appears to be).  I am sure that some people thought Al Capone was great too!  But Trump isn't a Conservative and my hopes for the party is Conservative and I will vote accordingly.  Because that threat can go on forever as the Republican Party spirals into a free fall of corruption.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 09, 2018, 09:37:03 PM
Where did I say that?

The party has been heading for the crapper for a number of years.  Like many, I stuck it out, hoping that the party would come to its senses and straighten out.  But after years-- YEARS! -- of listening to and falling for the same phony promises and lies, I've had enough.  I had some hope that Ted Cruz and others could turn the party around, but I've had to face the reality that nothing will change.  The party is infested with liberals and there is no one interested in getting rid of the vermin.  Trump promised to drain the swamp, but once he became president, that promise, like so many others, was forgotten.

So now I don't care what happens to the party.  It's very possible Republicans will lose their majority in either or maybe both houses.  If they do, they have no one to blame but themselves.  I refuse to waste my vote on them anymore.  I will neither cry nor rejoice when the party falls, but I also will not take the blame for its demise.  Instead I will hope that from the ashes a new party will emerge, one that will genuinely embrace conservatism.  It may take years of Democrat rule for people to get tired of them too.  But they will tire of them and will be ready to embrace real conservatism.

 :beer:
The people who are left in the GOP loses more and more respect with everyday. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 09, 2018, 09:41:38 PM
Where did I say that?

The party has been heading for the crapper for a number of years.  Like many, I stuck it out, hoping that the party would come to its senses and straighten out.  But after years-- YEARS! -- of listening to and falling for the same phony promises and lies, I've had enough.  I had some hope that Ted Cruz and others could turn the party around, but I've had to face the reality that nothing will change.  The party is infested with liberals and there is no one interested in getting rid of the vermin.  Trump promised to drain the swamp, but once he became president, that promise, like so many others, was forgotten.

So now I don't care what happens to the party.  It's very possible Republicans will lose their majority in either or maybe both houses.  If they do, they have no one to blame but themselves.  I refuse to waste my vote on them anymore.  I will neither cry nor rejoice when the party falls, but I also will not take the blame for its demise.  Instead I will hope that from the ashes a new party will emerge, one that will genuinely embrace conservatism.  It may take years of Democrat rule for people to get tired of them too.  But they will tire of them and will be ready to embrace real conservatism.

Absolutely right - Right down the line.
 888high58888
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 09, 2018, 11:18:27 PM
Absolutely right - Right down the line.
 888high58888

@roamer_1

Ehhhh,say WHAT? Please correct me if I am wrong,but aren't you on this site multiple times every day,doin't nothing but whining and complaining about Trump,A NON-REPUBLICAN PARTY PERSON,being president?

Which is it? Do you hate Republicans,or hate non-Republican politicians?

BTW,you are just one of many here guilty of this hypocrisy.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 09, 2018, 11:27:45 PM
@roamer_1

Ehhhh,say WHAT? Please correct me if I am wrong,but aren't you on this site multiple times every day,doin't nothing but whining and complaining about Trump,A NON-REPUBLICAN PARTY PERSON,being president?

Which is it? Do you hate Republicans,or hate non-Republican politicians?

BTW,you are just one of many here guilty of this hypocrisy.

@sneakypete
LOL!!

Party means nothing to me... I vote for Conservatives. Period. And Sasse is rock-ribbed by ANY standard.

If I must be affiliated with any, it would be Constitution party - and I would favor their candidate.

But I would have voted for Cruz. And I would vote for Sasse... Not because they are Republican, but in spite of it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 09, 2018, 11:31:08 PM
@sneakypete
LOL!!

Party means nothing to me... I vote for Conservatives. Period. And Sasse is rock-ribbed by ANY standard.

If I must be affiliated with any, it would be Constitution party - and I would favor their candidate.

But I would have voted for Cruz. And I would vote for Sasse... Not because they are Republican, but in spite of it.

That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 09, 2018, 11:33:13 PM
That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.

@Frank Cannon

Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz or JEB. Or maybe even Cruz AND JEB,because I suspect JEB was the Cruz voter fallback candidate.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 09, 2018, 11:38:10 PM
@Frank Cannon

Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz or JEB. Or maybe even Cruz AND JEB,because I suspect JEB was the Cruz voter fallback candidate.

Pete, that's crazytalk.  No way would I have voted for Jeb. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 09, 2018, 11:39:41 PM
@Frank Cannon

Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz or JEB. Or maybe even Cruz AND JEB,because I suspect JEB was the Cruz voter fallback candidate.

If they were all in on Evan McMuffin to take on Trump, they sure as shit wouldn't have had any problems with Jeb!.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 09, 2018, 11:41:08 PM
That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.

Yeah whatever Frank... Every time you turn around, you are trying to tear down actual conservatives in the service of your orange Caesar.

Nevermind that the guy has TWO doctorates.
Nevermind that the guy, as CEO of Midland College, turned it all the way around and pulled it from the edge of bankruptcy.
Nevermind that he has a long, long record, one that proves his Conservative chops, and makes him as predictable in his service as is ever possible.

Just keep drinking that orange koolaid.

And yet again, I don't hate Tump.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 09, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
@Frank Cannon

Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz or JEB. Or maybe even Cruz AND JEB,because I suspect JEB was the Cruz voter fallback candidate.

Nope. When Cruz left the field, I went to the next best thing, and that was Castle.
I would have voted for Cruz. I would have voted for Paul. You might have talked me into Walker. But that was all the Republicans had to offer.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 09, 2018, 11:52:50 PM
Yeah whatever Frank... Every time you turn around, you are trying to tear down actual conservatives in the service of your orange Caesar.

Nevermind that the guy has TWO doctorates.
Nevermind that the guy, as CEO of Midland College, turned it all the way around and pulled it from the edge of bankruptcy.
Nevermind that he has a long, long record, one that proves his Conservative chops, and makes him as predictable in his service as is ever possible.

Just keep drinking that orange koolaid.

And yet again, I don't hate Tump.

I think its spiked.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 09, 2018, 11:54:37 PM
Nope. When Cruz left the field, I went to the next best thing, and that was Castle.
I would have voted for Cruz. I would have voted for Paul. You might have talked me into Walker. But that was all the Republicans had to offer.

I absolutely LOVED Castle too. Stana Katic was smoking hot......

(https://static.tumblr.com/00828eb64a29bcbd2bd034e5e8508ae5/pmtuv22/wr1n08sgz/tumblr_static_castle_tv_show.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 09, 2018, 11:56:37 PM
I think its spiked.

No kidding.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 09, 2018, 11:59:34 PM
That's what I love about you Trump Haters.

He loves me!  888heartkitty

You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.

Sasse has been Senator for less than 4 years.  It takes time to move up the ranks.  I don't know his record on passing legislation but I do know the GOP's record on passing legislation for the last 3.5 years.  It freaking sucks.

Half the Senate is rats...I'm assuming based on past posts by you, you don't like them.  Then there are many many many Republicans of the liberal persuation, like McCain, Flake, Murkowski, Collins, Graham, Corker, Gardner, Alexander, Isakson, Heller, Tillis, and Hoeven.  Then there is the the GOPe leadership that kisses President Trump's butt despite his mental deficiencies (you know these people like Cocaine Mitch), and then there are independent mavericks like Sasse, Toomey, Rubio, Lee, and Cruz.

Do you cheer anybody except the GOPe?  asking for a friend.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 09, 2018, 11:59:49 PM
That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.

OK, I admit it Frank I am fixated on Trumps hair.  Its the only thing amusing about him.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0sE-C5GqJK4ZAP-jdC1t2zb-NwHk5yzpxiP9DHV7Xh_Svtv9K)

He does an absolute terrific job at folding it over and spraying it into place.  I give him a 100% job approval rating for cover up.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 10, 2018, 12:01:57 AM
Yeah whatever Frank... Every time you turn around, you are trying to tear down actual conservatives in the service of your orange Caesar.



Yeah well I am full out tired of you folks who are turned on by a bunch of empty words and Pocket Constitution waving that ends in ZERO results. May make you sleep better worshiping proven losers and ne'er do wells that accomplish nothing, but I like seeing people working again, earning more money and living a better quality of life when I hit the streets and look around. I suspect a large number of posters here confine themselves to their homes, never owned a business or actually get out into the cities a circulate among the filth and human debris to see what the hell is actually happening in the country. I do. Things look great thanks to the leadership we have in the White House today.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:05:41 AM
Ditto that!  And right atcha @Emjay.  Oh, you have to vote Trump.  No, I don't.  It won't be on me if Democrats take over.

If you don't vote GOP it WILL be on you if the communists (Democrats) take over.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 12:06:38 AM
Yeah well I am full out tired of you folks who are turned on by a bunch of empty words and Pocket Constitution waving that ends in ZERO results. May make you sleep better worshiping proven losers and ne'er do wells that accomplish nothing, but I like seeing people working again, earning more money and living a better quality of life when I hit the streets and look around. I suspect a large number of posters here confine themselves to their homes, never owned a business or actually get out into the cities a circulate among the filth and human debris to see what the hell is actually happening in the country. I do. Things look great thanks to the leadership we have in the White House today.

MEH. I don't see any of it. I am in business, and have been since my youth. i am on the street, both locally and regionally. I don't see it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:07:54 AM
@Frank Cannon

Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 10, 2018, 12:10:13 AM
MEH. I don't see any of it. I am in business, and have been since my youth. i am on the street, both locally and regionally. I don't see it.

Streets of what? Are they even paved?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 12:10:15 AM
If you don't vote GOP it WILL be on you if the communists (Democrats) take over.

Because national socialists and New World Order freaks are SO much better, right?

Your party is bleeding Conservatives and has been for a decade. They stand for nothing Conservative. And they really never have.. So screw the GOP. I vote for Conservatives, period.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 10, 2018, 12:10:25 AM
Yeah well I am full out tired of you folks who are turned on by a bunch of empty words and Pocket Constitution waving that ends in ZERO results. May make you sleep better worshiping proven losers and ne'er do wells that accomplish nothing, but I like seeing people working again, earning more money and living a better quality of life when I hit the streets and look around. I suspect a large number of posters here confine themselves to their homes, never owned a business or actually get out into the cities a circulate among the filth and human debris to see what the hell is actually happening in the country. I do. Things look great thanks to the leadership we have in the White House today.

I get out Frank.  I work and pay my taxes.  I am still paying for dental/vision/healthcare for illegal immigrants.  I am paying for food, housing and phones for illegal immigrants.  I keep seeing Trump signing up my children to a government debt for the rest of their lives.  Crumbs is how far he has gotten on campaign promises.  And Hillary still isn't in the Orange jail jumper. 

It really was an eye opener at the inauguration when Trump honored the presence of Hillary and Bill while his daughters sat with them.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 10, 2018, 12:16:16 AM
but I like seeing people working again,

Me too.  I wish Trump was good at it.

https://qz.com/1347200/the-jobs-created-under-trump-are-different-than-under-obama/

In Barack Obama’s last 16 months in office, the number of jobs in the US increased by 2.4%. In the first 16 months of Trump’s administration, jobs rose by 2.1%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The strong labor market under Obama turned into a strong labor market under Trump as healthcare and education continued to boom.

let me know if this is not correct.

Quote
earning more money and living a better quality of life when I hit the streets and look around. I suspect a large number of posters here confine themselves to their homes, never owned a business or actually get out into the cities a circulate among the filth and human debris to see what the hell is actually happening in the country. I do. Things look great thanks to the leadership we have in the White House today.

That could be.  I know I pay more taxes to the government to buy good from outside the US.  Let me know if that is not correct.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 10, 2018, 12:24:05 AM


That could be.  I know I pay more taxes to the government to buy good from outside the US.  Let me know if that is not correct.

Stop buying Chinese shit and you wouldn't have a problem.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 10, 2018, 12:26:18 AM
Stop buying Chinese shit and you wouldn't have a problem.
Thanx buddy.  Great point.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:26:39 AM
I absolutely LOVED Castle too. Stana Katic was smoking hot......

That is one seriously attractive woman.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/0d/50/ff0d50a1d1433d89ff2c86498238851a.jpg)

Funny how the NTers all say they support conservatives and yet bash 24/7 the most conservative
president this country has had since Ike and is probably more conservative then Ike was. The only
legit gripe is that he signed a ridiculous spending bill but he didn't have much of a choice and
vowed to never sign a spending bill like that again. On just about every other issue he is to the
right of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. The real conservatives are the one supporting the conservative
polices of President Trump. Soon we will have another constitutionalist on the SC. Thank you
President Trump.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:32:17 AM
Me too.  I wish Trump was good at it.

https://qz.com/1347200/the-jobs-created-under-trump-are-different-than-under-obama/

In Barack Obama’s last 16 months in office, the number of jobs in the US increased by 2.4%. In the first 16 months of Trump’s administration, jobs rose by 2.1%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The strong labor market under Obama turned into a strong labor market under Trump as healthcare and education continued to boom.

let me know if this is not correct.

That could be.  I know I pay more taxes to the government to buy good from outside the US.  Let me know if that is not correct.


LOL, rat talking points? Now I know why you hate Trump.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 10, 2018, 12:33:07 AM
Stop buying Chinese shit and you wouldn't have a problem.
@Frank Cannon
Could you please point me to a smart phone manufacturer in the USA?  One that won't be hit by the tariff?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 10, 2018, 12:35:08 AM

Funny how the NTers all say they support conservatives and yet bash 24/7 the most conservative
president this country has had since Ike and is probably more conservative then Ike was. The only
legit gripe is that he signed a ridiculous spending bill but he didn't have much of a choice and
vowed to never sign a spending bill like that again. On just about every other issue he is to the
right of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. The real conservatives are the one supporting the conservative
polices of President Trump. Soon we will have another constitutionalist on the SC. Thank you
President Trump.

I also enjoy that we don't have to go through the misery of the first couple years that Reagan put us through to jump start the economy. Those regular lay offs by companies and high high high interest rates were brutal.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 10, 2018, 12:39:15 AM
@Frank Cannon
Could you please point me to a smart phone manufacturer in the USA?  One that won't be hit by the tariff?

All of them. Consumer electronics are not on the tariff list.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 10, 2018, 12:41:41 AM

LOL, rat talking points? Now I know why you hate Trump.

@jpsb
Please point me in the right direction.  I posted my sources.  Show me where they are incorrect please.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Applewood on September 10, 2018, 12:44:49 AM
That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.

And what has your orange god accomplished?  So far, all I've seen are what *might* be the remains of some Korean War soldiers (we still don't know what's in those boxes), a tax tweak (not the reform we were promised), a few executive orders (some of which have been invalidated by the courts and some judges who may or may not be constitutional conservatives (too soon to tell).  We still have Obamacare, North Korea is still a nuclear threat, we still have "the swamp" and we are still being overrun by illegals and alleged refugees.  Oh and where are all those jobs coming back to America because of Trump's trade wars?  As far as I can tell, his trade wars are costing us jobs and money. 

I don't want to hear the excuses that keeping his promises takes time, nor do I want to hear more blame being laid on congress.  The guy has been in office for what -- two years?  He should be further along in keeping his promises than he is now.  And he would be if he stopped bitching and moaning at congress and all of his enemies, many of whom are imaginary, and actually worked to get things done.  As president, he should be able to do more than he has.  But he runs the presidency like a third-rate reality tv show where he pretends to be president and creates controversy to distract his fans from his failures.  The only thing missing from this reality tv show is the bikini-clad babes slugging it out in the swimming pool.

Trump as president is a failure.  And Trump supporters have the nerve to say that Cruz doesn't get things done?  St least, Cruz tries, which is more than I can say about your pretend president.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 10, 2018, 12:49:02 AM
All of them. Consumer electronics are not on the tariff list.

Seriously?  The Chinese are eating our lunch at tech manufacturing and that's not being taxed?  Isn't there a national security issue with having China make all our mobile devices?

Well thank G-d we have protected the digging stuff up and melting it secrets.

Yee Haw!
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/12M8qP3VZ2t9Hq/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 10, 2018, 12:53:44 AM
And what has your orange god accomplished?  So far, all I've seen are what *might* be the remains of some Korean War soldiers (we still don't know what's in those boxes), a tax tweak (not the reform we were promised), a few executive orders (some of which have been invalidated by the courts and some judges who may or may not be constitutional conservatives (too soon to tell).  We still have Obamacare, North Korea is still a nuclear threat, we still have "the swamp" and we are still being overrun by illegals and alleged refugees.  Oh and where are all those jobs coming back to America because of Trump's trade wars?  As far as I can tell, his trade wars are costing us jobs and money. 

I don't want to hear the excuses that keeping his promises takes time, nor do I want to hear more blame being laid on congress.  The guy has been in office for what -- two years?  He should be further along in keeping his promises than he is now.  And he would be if he stopped bitching and moaning at congress and all of his enemies, many of whom are imaginary, and actually worked to get things done.  As president, he should be able to do more than he has.  But he runs the presidency like a third-rate reality tv show where he pretends to be president and creates controversy to distract his fans from his failures.  The only thing missing from this reality tv show is the bikini-clad babes slugging it out in the swimming pool.

Trump as president is a failure.  And Trump supporters have the nerve to say that Cruz doesn't get things done?  St least, Cruz tries, which is more than I can say about your pretend president.

Yeah trade wars that hurt American farmers.  See Ben Sasse comments.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/24/donald-trump-tariffs-are-greatest-ben-sasse-rips-president-over-tweet-vfw-speech-remarks (http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/24/donald-trump-tariffs-are-greatest-ben-sasse-rips-president-over-tweet-vfw-speech-remarks)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:55:54 AM
I also enjoy that we don't have to go through the misery of the first couple years that Reagan put us through to jump start the economy. Those regular lay offs by companies and high high high interest rates were brutal.

Reagan gave us our open borders problem with his "one time and one time only" 86 amnesty. And
the "War on drug", which got us no knock raids and asset forfeitures just to mention two horrible
policies. Let me  know when Trump goes to war with our civil liberties like Reagan and W Bush
(patriot act) did.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 10, 2018, 12:58:09 AM
But he runs the presidency like a third-rate reality tv show where he pretends to be president and creates controversy to distract his fans from his failures.

The whole post was great, but this sentence was something I've known for months yet I never wrote it so bluntly.  nice.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:58:41 AM
All of them. Consumer electronics are not on the tariff list.

Well that's a mistake,  they should be.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 10, 2018, 12:59:28 AM
Reagan gave us our open borders problem with his "one time and one time only" 86 amnesty. And
the "War on drug", which got us no knock raids and asset forfeitures just to mention two horrible
policies. Let me  know when Trump goes to war with our civil liberties like Reagan and W Bush
(patriot act) did.


Reagan was a disaster as far as his amnesty.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 01:01:11 AM
@jpsb
Please point me in the right direction.  I posted my sources.  Show me where they are incorrect please.

One can make stats say anything you want. Not worth arguing over. Obama took no actions to improve the economy. Trump did.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 01:03:19 AM


Reagan was a disaster as far as his amnesty.

That was probably the biggest mistake any modern president has made.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 10, 2018, 01:31:41 AM
One can make stats say anything you want. Not worth arguing over.

Especially not worth arguing when the facts prove you wrong.   88finger point
Quote
Obama took no actions to improve the economy. Trump did.
Taxing the citizens or giving the rich a bigger tax cut?  That's a great aguement too.  I was concerned a respected conservative like yourself might demand government spend less tax money, but the GOP looks much stupider year after year.

I'd be surprised if companies on the edge of financial ruin didn't exploit existing tax law to take advantage of the outdated tax laws the GOP has left active. 

Did you know a fellow TBR poster @Frank Cannon told me we don't put tariffs on electronic goods!?!  Muther-Puss-Bucket.  What a joke. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 10, 2018, 01:38:54 AM

Did you know a fellow TBR poster @Frank Cannon told me we don't put tariffs on electronic goods!?!  Muther-Puss-Bucket.  What a joke.

We don't. Look it up.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 10, 2018, 02:11:02 AM
If you don't vote GOP it WILL be on you if the communists (Democrats) take over.

Fine.

What the hell do you intend to do about it?

Go and shoot every person in the head who did not vote the way you told them to?

Makes you no different than the Marxist/Communists in intention.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 10, 2018, 02:16:10 AM
We don't. Look it up.
You're right.  Trump and his sycophants have been protecting us from milk.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 10, 2018, 05:21:30 AM
https://macrofab.com/blog/decoding-tariff-impacts-us-electronics-manufacturing/
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 08:04:55 AM
Because national socialists and New World Order freaks are SO much better, right?


@roamer_1

YOU must think they are peachy-keen,because you do absolutely nothing to try to keep them out of power.

Holding your breath and stamping your little feets until you turn blue doesn't count.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 08:09:43 AM


Funny how the NTers all say they support conservatives and yet bash 24/7 the most conservative
president this country has had since Ike and is probably more conservative then Ike was. The only
legit gripe is that he signed a ridiculous spending bill but he didn't have much of a choice and
vowed to never sign a spending bill like that again. On just about every other issue he is to the
right of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. The real conservatives are the one supporting the conservative
polices of President Trump. Soon we will have another constitutionalist on the SC. Thank you
President Trump.

@jpsb

They care nothing about any of that. Trump is a outsider that used to vote Dim because he was doing business in NYC,and the important thing here is not saving the Republic,it's keeping outsiders from just barging right in and taking over without standing in line to kiss rings.

STRICTLY "style over substance" people. They care nothing about anything real.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 08:12:29 AM
Seriously?  The Chinese are eating our lunch at tech manufacturing and that's not being taxed?  Isn't there a national security issue with having China make all our mobile devices?

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/12M8qP3VZ2t9Hq/giphy.gif)

@Once-Ler

You can thank your Lord and Master Bubba Bill for that,with help from Boy Jorge and the entire Bush Crime Family.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 08:16:25 AM
That was probably the biggest mistake any modern president has made.

@jpsb

Didn't he later admit it that trusting the Dims to keep their promises and going along with the amnesty for illegals was the worse mistake he ever made?

Reagan trusted Dims because he  used to be one himself. He agreed to go along with the on amnesty as a ONE TIME thing in order to put a contentious issue behind them forever,and then be able to move along with fixing government. He was obviously wrong,and they stabbed him in the back for his efforts.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 08:35:21 AM
@roamer_1

YOU must think they are peachy-keen,because you do absolutely nothing to try to keep them out of power.

Holding your breath and stamping your little feets until you turn blue doesn't count.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 08:38:53 AM
@jpsb

Didn't he later admit it that trusting the Dims to keep their promises and going along with the amnesty for illegals was the worse mistake he ever made?


All true, but he should have known better than to trust the rats. They always break their word. Always.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 09:05:03 AM
@roamer_1

YOU must think they are peachy-keen,because you do absolutely nothing to try to keep them out of power.

Holding your breath and stamping your little feets until you turn blue doesn't count.

@sneakypete

Bullshit, Pete, pure and simple. You get what you vote *FOR*. Your vote is an endorsement. There is no such thing as a negative vote.

And from now on, I will vote for nothing but Conservatism. I am flat done playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. So if you want my vote, throw a Conservative up there ( a REAL one... Not Boosh, McCain't, Romney, or Tumpy the Clown)... Otherwise GOP can KMA.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 09:06:00 AM
All true, but he should have known better than to trust the rats. They always break their word. Always.

@jpsb

To be fair to Reagan,he had been a life-long Dim himself,and he knew the power people personally, and thought he could trust them.

Don't forget,back then the Dim Party hadn't become completely overtaken by communists.

He seems to have learned his lesson about half-way through his first term,though.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 09:34:09 AM
@sneakypete

Bullshit, Pete, pure and simple. You get what you vote *FOR*. Your vote is an endorsement. There is no such thing as a negative vote.

And from now on, I will vote for nothing but Conservatism. I am flat done playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. So if you want my vote, throw a Conservative up there ( a REAL one... Not Boosh, McCain't, Romney, or Tumpy the Clown)... Otherwise GOP can KMA.

@roamer_1

I hate to be the one to break this to you,but you also get what you DON'T vote for. In this case you got Trump,so quit whining about him since you did NOTHING to keep him out of office.

And even then you dodged a bullet because you COULD have gotten Bubbette,but cheer up! Who knows,you might get her in 2020!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
@roamer_1

I hate to be the one to break this to you,but you also get what you DON'T vote for. In this case you got Trump,so quit whining about him since you did NOTHING to keep him out of office.


The hell I didn't.

Quote
And even then you dodged a bullet because you COULD have gotten Bubbette,but cheer up! Who knows,you might get her in 2020!

@sneakypete
Shrugs. Makes no difference to me. Six of one, half dozen of the other... A bucket of shit is a bucket of shit, no matter how you throw it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 10:00:15 AM
The hell I didn't.

@sneakypete
Shrugs. Makes no difference to me. Six of one, half dozen of the other... A bucket of shit is a bucket of shit, no matter how you throw it.

@roamer_1

The funny part about that is that you think it makes you look wise
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 10:02:43 AM
@roamer_1

The funny part about that is that you think it makes you look wise

@sneakypete
I don't care a bit how it makes me look. I don't need praise. It is what it is, and I have said my piece. It ain't gonna change - EVER.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 10, 2018, 10:06:06 AM
The big story here is that anyone is surprised to learn that some TBR posters have different opinions and think that they need to argue with them about it.   *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 10:09:41 AM
@sneakypete
And from now on, I will vote for nothing but Conservatism. I am flat done playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. So if you want my vote, throw a Conservative up there ( a REAL one... Not Boosh, McCain't, Romney, or Tumpy the Clown)... Otherwise GOP can KMA.


Please tell me what you don't like about the following

    Since taking office, President Trump has strengthened American leadership, security, prosperity, and accountability.
    After 500 days, the results are clear: the American economy is stronger, American workers are experiencing more opportunities, confidence is soaring, and business is booming.
    President Trump has re-asserted American leadership on the world stage, secured vital investments in our military, and stood up against threats to our national security.
    President Trump has put the American people first and made government more accountable.

    Nearly 3 million jobs have been created since President Trump took office.
        304,000 manufacturing jobs have been created since President Trump took office, and manufacturing employment stands at its highest level since December 2008.
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    Under President Trump, the unemployment rate has dropped to 3.8, the lowest rate since April 2000, and job openings have reached 6.6 million, the highest level recorded.
        67 percent of Americans believe now is a good time to find a quality job, according to Gallup.
        Only under President Trump have more than 50 percent of Americans believed it is a good time to find a quality job since Gallup began asking the question 17 years ago.
    President Trump prioritized job training and workforce development to empower workers to seize more opportunities, signing an Executive Order to expand apprenticeship opportunities.
    President Trump has restored confidence in the American economy, with confidence among both consumers and businesses reaching historic highs.
        Consumer confidence in current conditions has reached a 17-year high, according to the Conference Board.
        Optimism among manufacturers has hit record highs under President Trump, according to the National Association of Manufacturers.
        Small business optimism has sustained record-high levels under President Trump according to the National Federation of Independent Business.
    President Trump signed the historic Tax Cuts and Jobs Act into law, cutting taxes for American families and making American business more competitive.
        American families received $3.2 trillion in gross tax cuts and saw the child tax credit double.
        The top corporate tax rate was lowered from 35 percent to 21 percent so American businesses could be more competitive.
    President Trump has rolled back unnecessary job-killing regulations beyond expectations.
        In 2017, President Trump far exceeded his promise to eliminate regulations at a two-to-one ratio, issuing 22 deregulatory actions for every new regulatory action.
        The Administration rolled back rules and regulations harming farmers and energy producers, such as the Waters of the United States Rule and the Clean Power Plan.
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    Since taking office, President Trump has advanced free, fair, and reciprocal trade deals that protect American workers, ending decades of destructive trade policies.
        Days after taking office, the President withdrew the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations and agreement.
        President Trump’s Administration is working to defend American intellectual property from China’s unfair practices through a range of actions.
        The President improved the KORUS trade agreement with the Republic of Korea, which will allow more U.S. automobile exports to South Korea with lower tariffs and increase U.S. pharmaceutical access to South Korea.
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    President Trump followed through on his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
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        In May 2018 alone, Venezuela released one American and North Korea released three Americans who came home to the United States.
    The President has secured historic increases in defense funding in order to rebuild our Nation’s military with the resources they need, after years of harmful sequester.
        President Trump signed legislation to provide $700 billion in defense spending for fiscal year (FY) 2018 and $716 billion for FY 2019.
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    President Trump authorized the deployment of the National Guard to help secure our borders.
    President Trump’s Administration has carried out immigration enforcement efforts based on the rule of law.
        From the start of President Trump’s Administration to the end of FY 2017, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) made 110,568 arrests of illegal aliens.
        Arrests made in this timeframe represented a 42 percent increase from the same timeframe in FY 2016.
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        In 2017, the Department of Justice worked with partners in Central America to file criminal charges against more than 4,000 members of MS-13.
    The Trump Administration has cracked down on the import and distribution of illegal drugs in order to stop them from reaching our communities and causing even more devastation.
        As of April 2018, U.S. Border Patrol has seized 284 pounds of fentanyl in FY 2018, already surpassing the total of 181 pounds seized in FY 2017.
    The President has launched a nationwide effort to fight the opioid crisis, which has devastated communities across America.
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    President Trump signed an omnibus spending bill which provides nearly $4 billion to address the opioid epidemic.
        The bill included $1 billion for grants focused on the hardest hit States and Tribes and provided funding for a public-private research partnership on pain and addiction.

    President Trump has confirmed the most circuit court judges of any President in their first year, and secured Justice Neil Gorsuch’s confirmation to the United States Supreme Court.
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        President Trump signed the Department of Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act of 2017, improving processes for addressing misconduct.
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    President Trump has released a blueprint to lower drug prices for Americans.
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        President Trump signed an Executive Order to protect the free speech and religious liberties of groups such as the Little Sisters of the Poor.
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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 10:11:30 AM

Please tell me what you don't like about the following


Most of it is bullshit.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 10:11:52 AM

Please tell me what you don't like about the following

   

@jpsb  @roamer_1

He doesn't like that it is Trump that was responsible for it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 10:14:02 AM
@jpsb  @roamer_1

He doesn't like that it is Trump that was responsible for it.

@sneakypete
Nope. I give him credit when it's due.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 10, 2018, 10:19:29 AM
@jpsb  @roamer_1

He doesn't like that it is Trump that was responsible for it.

Its hard to deny that, while its not ALL good, there is plenty of good stuff happening now that was considered highly unlikely two years ago. We shouldn't let our personal dislike for the current president prevent our enjoying it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 10, 2018, 10:21:36 AM
Integrity in our interpersonal relationships is a must. Virtue, personal morality, honesty, kindness, forgiveness – all vital qualities to possess in life.

In politics, however, they can be turned into liabilities.  :pondering:

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 10:24:40 AM
Its hard to deny that, while its not ALL good, there is plenty of good stuff happening now that was considered highly unlikely two years ago. We shouldn't let our personal dislike for the current president prevent our enjoying it.

What, exactly? Take away all the EOs, and tell me the far-reaching real changes. Go ahead.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 10, 2018, 10:31:11 AM
What, exactly? Take away all the EOs, and tell me the far-reaching real changes. Go ahead.

I'm not gonna play your game. Its there for anyone with an open mind to see.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 10:31:59 AM
I'm not gonna play your game. Its there for anyone with an open mind to see.

Riiight. So nothing. Gotcha.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 10, 2018, 10:32:43 AM
Riiight. So nothing. Gotcha.

You're a winner every time. In your own mind.

Go ahead and forever bitch about Trump. Doesn't pick my pocket.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 10, 2018, 10:49:17 AM
On balance, you look at this pro business president’s record, and it has been phenomenal!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 10:52:59 AM
On balance, you look at this pro business president’s record, and it has been phenomenal!

WHERE? Show me!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 10, 2018, 10:53:38 AM
On balance, you look at this pro business president’s record, and it has been phenomenal!

OK, but thats not 'far reaching'. The economy could change tomorrow.

Border security? Not far reaching. He's doing that with EOs. Never mind congress not cooperating.

Judges? Thats not far reaching either. They'll all die one day. Besides, how do we know how they'll actually rule?

sarc off.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 10, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
Business confidence and building activity is through the roof! The downtowns of mid to large cities across America, even Detroit, are dotted with construction cranes not seen in decades, companies are hiring and the job market is struggling to find enough workers to fill the demand. Energy production is soaring and America is set to lead the world as largest supplier in many sectors.

But, none of this matters because of Trump’s personality – it’s just not pleasingly presidential enough for some of our political purists. wink777
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: truth_seeker on September 10, 2018, 11:12:38 AM
@jpsb  @roamer_1

He doesn't like that it is Trump that was responsible for it.

Permanently.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 10, 2018, 11:17:19 AM
Amen!!!  The problem with Sasse?..............There isn't any.  The problem is with the Trump administration smearing good Americans who have taken oaths to serve.  This Senator knows his job.  He understands the Constitution and the separate powers of government.  He is a good man that loves his country and his family.

And likely if Ben Sasse said the swamp needed to be drained he would be talking about restoring the government to the original purposes of their powers.  To fight crime in our government and those who would diminish what was given to us by the Founders.  He certainly would not think that he could drain half of the swamp.

And if Ben Sasse ever runs for President he has my vote.  No matter who he is running against.

Expand more:

The other night I watched Trump at his rally on FOX News.  Who does he love?  Shawn Hannity, and Judge Jenine.  Who are they?  Television personalities, that who.  Judge Jenine is hardly judge at all.  I have read her biography.  She describes herself as fiscally conservative and socially liberal.  Shawn Hannity is opinion personality on FOX News.  What have either done for the country besides continually sell Donald Trump, and believe me he needs selling.  Because he contradicts himself continuously.  Wants a wall but signs bloated bills that strap our children with debt with no clear funding.  He keeps shouting about draining the swamp yet when Manafort and Cohen are found guilty of crimes he tweets what good men they are.  Complains that Sessions is doing his job bringing charges against Republicans.  Like a child saying your picking on us. 

The fan club has "picked" on Ben Sasse but I am certain that he is better than the majority of Trumps Administration which is falling apart.

Sasse was one of those hysterical Republicans who played right into the hands of the progressives by attacking the child separation policy as "wicked", "cruel", and purely "discretionary."
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 11:17:32 AM
OK, but thats not 'far reaching'. The economy could change tomorrow.

No. But it's built on paper. Nearly $4T more in debt. In what, 6/8 months? With another monster pile of cash going away right after the elections too. Tax cuts are indeed good for the economy - But it is predictably short lived if not coupled with spending cuts. Just printing more money causes inflation to heat up, as the grocery store can demonstrate.

Quote
Border security? Not far reaching. He's doing that with EOs.

That's right. The next dem president will tear it all down just as Tump tore down OBummer's. It wasn't long ago that governing by EO was considered a sign of administrative failure

Quote
Never mind congress not cooperating.

Tump did that to himself.

Quote
Judges? Thats not far reaching either. They'll all die one day. Besides, how do we know how they'll actually rule?

Yes, that CAN be far reaching - And I will surely give him credit for it if/when the time comes.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 11:24:16 AM
Its hard to deny that, while its not ALL good, there is plenty of good stuff happening now that was considered highly unlikely two years ago. We shouldn't let our personal dislike for the current president prevent our enjoying it.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 11:27:43 AM
@sneakypete
Nope. I give him credit when it's due.

 :silly: :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
:silly: :silly: :silly:

I most certainly have.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 10, 2018, 11:34:30 AM
:thumbsup:

Yes.  Some people are so mired in hatred that they are blinded to reality.

Good things are happening.  Government agencies are slowly being cut back and some eliminated.  The economy is better.  Refusing to acknowledge that because it might not last is so short-sighted.

We have no way of knowing what will last or what will happen but I see good things happening.  Just look at the two new Supremes we will have if all goes well.  That's an accomplishment Republicans should be cheering.

As for Sasse, the people who are cheering him now are the same ones who would criticize him if he ... well, I don't know what he could do.  He certainly can't run as a Republican so maybe he can be the new hero for the pie-in-the-sky crowd.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 10, 2018, 11:38:56 AM
The hell I didn't.

@sneakypete
Shrugs. Makes no difference to me. Six of one, half dozen of the other... A bucket of shit is a bucket of shit, no matter how you throw it.

@roamer_1   You are the only absolutely relentless NTer I don't have on ignore, but you are getting close.

One wonders what you are like in real life.  I hope you are using this forum to get rid of all your hate and negativity and saving the people in your family.  But you are hurting those of us who have to read your rants.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 10, 2018, 11:40:34 AM
Most of it is bullshit.

Name one thing that is BS and explain why.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 11:40:41 AM
No. But it's built on paper. Nearly $4T more in debt. In what, 6/8 months? With another monster pile of cash going away right after the elections too. Tax cuts are indeed good for the economy - But it is predictably short lived if not coupled with spending cuts. Just printing more money causes inflation to heat up, as the grocery store can demonstrate.

Agreed, but in Trump defense he had no choice but to sign that horrible spending bill. Blame
Congress for that, Congress wrote it. Reagan had the same problem and blew up the national
debt too.


That's right. The next dem president will tear it all down just as Tump tore down OBummer's. It wasn't long ago that governing by EO was considered a sign of administrative failure

Again Blame congress for not funding a permanent wall. Trump as president is doing all he can.

Tump did that to himself.

No, Congress is not keeping the promises it made to the American people in 2016. Repeal of Ocare
showed just what a bunch of liars a lot of our elected reps are.

Yes, that CAN be far reaching - And I will surely give him credit for it if/when the time comes.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 11:42:17 AM
Yes.  Some people are so mired in hatred that they are blinded to reality.

You must be projecting again.

Quote
Good things are happening.  Government agencies are slowly being cut back and some eliminated.  The economy is better.  Refusing to acknowledge that because it might not last is so short-sighted.

No, it flatly WILL NOT last. Guaranteed, every EO he makes will be overturned when the next liberal ascends. Because EOs are not law. Gone with the stroke of a pen.

Quote
We have no way of knowing what will last or what will happen but I see good things happening.  Just look at the two new Supremes we will have if all goes well.  That's an accomplishment Republicans should be cheering.

Yeah riiiight... Like Roberts.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 11:47:13 AM
Yeah riiiight... Like Roberts.

Trump did not appoint Roberts that neocon Bush did after the GOP revolted when he nominated his
friend and personal lawyer Harriet Meyers. Bush like Obama did not give a damn about the USA all he
cared about was taking care of his family and his friends.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 10, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
And what has your orange god accomplished?  So far, all I've seen are what *might* be the remains of some Korean War soldiers (we still don't know what's in those boxes), a tax tweak (not the reform we were promised), a few executive orders (some of which have been invalidated by the courts and some judges who may or may not be constitutional conservatives (too soon to tell).  We still have Obamacare, North Korea is still a nuclear threat, we still have "the swamp" and we are still being overrun by illegals and alleged refugees.  Oh and where are all those jobs coming back to America because of Trump's trade wars?  As far as I can tell, his trade wars are costing us jobs and money. 

I don't want to hear the excuses that keeping his promises takes time, nor do I want to hear more blame being laid on congress.  The guy has been in office for what -- two years?  He should be further along in keeping his promises than he is now.  And he would be if he stopped bitching and moaning at congress and all of his enemies, many of whom are imaginary, and actually worked to get things done.  As president, he should be able to do more than he has.  But he runs the presidency like a third-rate reality tv show where he pretends to be president and creates controversy to distract his fans from his failures.  The only thing missing from this reality tv show is the bikini-clad babes slugging it out in the swimming pool.

Trump as president is a failure.  And Trump supporters have the nerve to say that Cruz doesn't get things done?  St least, Cruz tries, which is more than I can say about your pretend president.

@Applewood  I actually feel sorry for you.  I don't believe we could have elected anyone who could have done more in two short years to improve things for our country. This is after 8 years of a leader who tried, and almost succeeded, to ruin our country.

 Yet you see nothing but gloom and darkness.

I like Cruz also and Cruz is enough of a realist to support Trump.  He reiterated his support on Fox Business two days ago.  He said he has weekly and sometimes daily contact with Trump.  If you think Cruz is so great, why can't you follow him in his appreciation for the job Trump is doing?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 11:52:51 AM
Agreed, but in Trump defense he had no choice but to sign that horrible spending bill. Blame
Congress for that, Congress wrote it. Reagan had the same problem and blew up the national
debt too.

Again Blame congress for not funding a permanent wall. Trump as president is doing all he can.

No, Congress is not keeping the promises it made to the American people in 2016. Repeal of Ocare
showed just what a bunch of liars a lot of our elected reps are.


@jpsb
Bullshit. The buck stops at the top. If my company does something wrong, that is ALWAYS my fault. No one else's, even if it was just because I didn't see something coming.

Tump came in like a bull in a china shop and pissed off absolutely everyone he would later need to govern. I think he did that on purpose, precisely so he could have someone to blame... That's really being kind, as there is no other 'strategic' reason for doing so.

That doesn't work for me, and it shouldn't work for you either.

He broke it. He must fix it. But he won't. It is too useful for finger-pointing.

Look. I see why y'all are excited. All these EOs are like candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. How can that be bad? It's good! but it will give you a bellyache later. Watch and see.

Me, I am more a meat and potatoes kind of guy.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 11:54:37 AM
@Applewood  I actually feel sorry for you.  I don't believe we could have elected anyone who could have done more in two short years to improve things for our country. This is after 8 years of a leader who tried, and almost succeeded, to ruin our country.

 Yet you see nothing but gloom and darkness.

I like Cruz also and Cruz is enough of a realist to support Trump.  He reiterated his support on Fox Business two days ago.  He said he has weekly and sometimes daily contact with Trump.  If you think Cruz is so great, why can't you follow him in his appreciation for the job Trump is doing?

Cruz has become one of Trump's main allies in the Senate. Cruz is smart enough to know his
future depends on a successful Trump presidency and he is doing all he can to help make that
happen. I intent to vote Cruz in Nov and encourage my friends to do the same. Beto representing
Texas in the Senate is unthinkable.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: XenaLee on September 10, 2018, 11:54:58 AM
No. But it's built on paper. Nearly $4T more in debt. In what, 6/8 months? With another monster pile of cash going away right after the elections too. Tax cuts are indeed good for the economy - But it is predictably short lived if not coupled with spending cuts. Just printing more money causes inflation to heat up, as the grocery store can demonstrate.

That's right. The next dem president will tear it all down just as Tump tore down OBummer's. It wasn't long ago that governing by EO was considered a sign of administrative failure

Tump did that to himself.

Yes, that CAN be far reaching - And I will surely give him credit for it if/when the time comes.

Some have called me a pessimist.  Hell, I've even called myself a pessimist.  But the truth is... I'm a realist.  I am hopeful when it seems logical to be hopeful.  I'm not hopeful over our ever-spiraling, out of control debt.  I have come to the conclusion that no party, no where, is ever going to address the issue and deal with it.  It will go on and on, as is, no matter which party is in control of Congress, until it collapses.  We might as well get used to that 'reality'.  And prepare, as best we can, for the ultimate consequences.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 11:58:08 AM
Name one thing that is BS and explain why.

300k construction jobs.
The whole North lays off construction workers in the winter, who are generally rehired in the spring. This is a well worn bit of economy shenanigans that administrations use to pimp their ride.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 10, 2018, 11:58:09 AM
   If the GOP loses the House it will be solely the fault of that small, insignificant bunch of hater's known as NT'ers on TBR.

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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: XenaLee on September 10, 2018, 12:00:30 PM
   If the GOP loses the House it will be solely the fault of that small, insignificant bunch of hater's known as NT'ers on TBR.

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/convenient-pose-8641050.jpg)

You're such a little S-stirrer, aren't you.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 10, 2018, 12:00:35 PM
Cruz has become one of Trump's main allies in the Senate. Cruz is smart enough to know his
future depends on a successful Trump presidency and he is doing all he can to help make that
happen. I intent to vote Cruz in Nov and encourage my friends to do the same. Beto representing
Texas in the Senate is unthinkable.

I don't think Texas is stupid enough to elect a nasty little crook over one of America's finest senators.

And Cruz is smart enough to know that not only his future, but the country's future depends on a successful Trump presidency and also to recognize that in spite of Trump's personal quirks, Trump is doing a good job for the country.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:01:28 PM
@jpsb
Bullshit. The buck stops at the top. If my company does something wrong, that is ALWAYS my fault. No one else's, even if it was just because I didn't see something coming.

Tump came in like a bull in a china shop and pissed off absolutely everyone he would later need to govern. I think he did that on purpose, precisely so he could have someone to blame... That's really being kind, as there is no other 'strategic' reason for doing so.

That doesn't work for me, and it shouldn't work for you either.

He broke it. He must fix it. But he won't. It is too useful for finger-pointing.

Look. I see why y'all are excited. All these EOs are like candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. How can that be bad? It's good! but it will give you a bellyache later. Watch and see.

Me, I am more a meat and potatoes kind of guy.

The House is sending bills to the Senate and they die in the Senate. The GOP only has a 2 seat
majority, without D support nothing can get passed a closure vote (60 votes) and no D will
support anything Trump wants. Blaming Trump for this is grossly unfair, he is not, like you, a
CEO. We need more GOP senators and we need, we must, hold the House in these midterms.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: XenaLee on September 10, 2018, 12:03:04 PM
I don't think Texas is stupid enough to elect a nasty little crook over one of America's finest senators.

And Cruz is smart enough to know that not only his future, but the country's future depends on a successful Trump presidency and also to recognize that in spite of Trump's personal quirks, Trump is doing a good job for the country.

Not yet.  But the idiot left is working on that "fundamental transformation" as we speak via illegal immigration, leftist voter fraud and mass migration of lefties from their previously fouled nests.

Ten years (or less) from now... Texas will probably have been 'transformed'.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 12:03:04 PM
Yeah riiiight... Like Roberts.

Trump did not appoint Roberts that neocon Bush did after the GOP revolted when he nominated his
friend and personal lawyer Harriet Meyers. Bush like Obama did not give a damn about the USA all he
cared about was taking care of his family and his friends.

@jpsb
Roberts was another golden boy at the time... Heck, he came Cruz endorsed. I was happy at his nomination for that reason, if no other. Turns out it was a very bad call. So I am ever inured from crediting judges till I find out what they are exactly. No skin off Tump's nose for it... I think his choices are well advised... but no credit yet either.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 10, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
   If the GOP loses the House it will be solely the fault of that small, insignificant bunch of hater's known as NT'ers on TBR.

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/convenient-pose-8641050.jpg)

Oh, @corbe  This is a discussion forum and many of us take ourselves too seriously, especially the NTers who are sure as long as they constantly diss Trump that they will make some kind of difference.

They won't.  And neither will those of us who support Trump except in the sense that we are more a reflection of what's going on in the real world.

I'm sorry you can't have a Conservative Party that will sweep to glorious victory with Ben Sasse riding a white horse in front, but that ain't happening, baby.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
Some have called me a pessimist.  Hell, I've even called myself a pessimist.  But the truth is... I'm a realist.  I am hopeful when it seems logical to be hopeful.  I'm not hopeful over our ever-spiraling, out of control debt.  I have come to the conclusion that no party, no where, is ever going to address the issue and deal with it.  It will go on and on, as is, no matter which party is in control of Congress, until it collapses.  We might as well get used to that 'reality'.  And prepare, as best we can, for the ultimate consequences.

@XenaLee
It is no surprise to me that I agree with you... I have only to add that we are terribly close to the point of no return, if that point has not already passed us by. There is no more time, and it is now dire.

That is why I am a meat and potatoes guy. We need REAL change NOW, because nothing else will do. Anything else... ANYTHING else is just arranging the deck chairs.

good post.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 12:17:49 PM
The House is sending bills to the Senate and they die in the Senate. The GOP only has a 2 seat
majority, without D support nothing can get passed a closure vote (60 votes) and no D will
support anything Trump wants. Blaming Trump for this is grossly unfair, he is not, like you, a
CEO. We need more GOP senators and we need, we must, hold the House in these midterms.

@jpsb
Oh baloney. He came in BECAUSE he would run it like a CEO. He's the great negotiator. That's his whole dang shtick. I don't care if it is 'grossly unfair' or not, the buck stops on his desk. PERIOD.

Maybe if he didn't piss absolutely everyone off in the first place, he would have strong coalitions built by now. Even red state dems would like to toe the line, because they have to go home and face the voters... He has so polarized everyone against him that he has tied his own hands. I don't care how much turd polish you want to use on that, it ain't gonna stick. That was his first, and probably his worst mistake... And if you put your emotions aside, you will know it's true.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
I don't think Texas is stupid enough to elect a nasty little crook over one of America's finest senators.

And Cruz is smart enough to know that not only his future, but the country's future depends on a successful Trump presidency and also to recognize that in spite of Trump's personal quirks, Trump is doing a good job for the country.

Cruz is not all that likeable and he pissed off a lot of Texans when he refused to honor his pledge
to support the nominee no matter who that nominee was. Texans do not like someone that goes
back on their word. I don't think anyone likes that. The Texas delegation meet with Cruz after his
speech at the convention and read him the riot act so he eventually saw the light after feeling the
heat. If there is not a blue wave that brings lots of folks that usually don't vote (illegals) Cruz will
win.

I expect a lot of voter fraud in Rat controlled areas and that with a high turn out worries me. If
Cruz can get our very popular governor Greg Abbot and our popular president Trump to campaign
for him that should be enough to put him over the top.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 10, 2018, 12:25:10 PM
Yes.  Some people are so mired in hatred that they are blinded to reality.

Good things are happening.  Government agencies are slowly being cut back and some eliminated.  The economy is better.  Refusing to acknowledge that because it might not last is so short-sighted.

We have no way of knowing what will last or what will happen but I see good things happening.  Just look at the two new Supremes we will have if all goes well.  That's an accomplishment Republicans should be cheering.

As for Sasse, the people who are cheering him now are the same ones who would criticize him if he ... well, I don't know what he could do.  He certainly can't run as a Republican so maybe he can be the new hero for the pie-in-the-sky crowd.

Yes, good things are happening.   But it is Trump that, right now, poses the gravest threat to all that good news.    He insists that this fall's elections be a referendum on him and his style,  not the growing prosperity.    That risks all - voters are expected to make the subtle and difficult decision to recognize that prosperity and reward Republicans while cringing nightly at the latest Presidential tantrum.     That is a lot to ask - too much,  I believe, to save the House.   And with the House in Dem hands,  the next two years will be Crazytown, 24/7.       
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: jpsb on September 10, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
@jpsb
Roberts was another golden boy at the time... Heck, he came Cruz endorsed. I was happy at his nomination for that reason, if no other. Turns out it was a very bad call. So I am ever inured from crediting judges till I find out what they are exactly. No skin off Tump's nose for it... I think his choices are well advised... but no credit yet either.

Yeah Roberts fooled a lot of people. Ann Coulter gets a lot of credit for saying "Wait a minute,
what do we really know about Roberts".
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 12:37:06 PM
Yeah Roberts fooled a lot of people. Ann Coulter gets a lot of credit for saying "Wait a minute,
what do we really know about Roberts".


Yep. Though I don't generally credit Coulter with much. But that IS the problem. With all the spin and turd polish, there really is no way to even guess what's being shoved down our throat.

I know better than to trust the MSM... But I have come to find out that I can't trust 'conservative' media sources either. They don't tell it straight anymore... And maybe they never did.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 10, 2018, 12:41:28 PM
Senator Sasse can consider it all he wants, it might wash in Nebraska; but we know, in the big picture, he won't get too far.  It's just being a maverick.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 10, 2018, 12:42:16 PM
Giving no-credit works both ways, Trump has done a lot on a lot of platforms. No credit to those who speak against him all the way as well, we'd be having Democrats run things.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 10, 2018, 12:53:03 PM
The House is sending bills to the Senate and they die in the Senate. The GOP only has a 2 seat
majority, without D support nothing can get passed a closure vote (60 votes) and no D will
support anything Trump wants.

Yet they were still able to pass a half a billion dollars in funding for Planned Parenthood plus an additional $1 trillion in wasteful spending with money that we don't have.  Go figure.

At least we have a few Conservatives like Ben Sasse who are willing to stand on principle and vote against all this leftist BS.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 10, 2018, 12:56:11 PM
Yet they were still able to pass a half a billion dollars in funding for Planned Parenthood plus an additional $1 trillion in wasteful spending with money that we don't have.  Go figure.

At least we have a few Conservatives like Ben Sasse who are willing to stand on principle and vote against all this leftist BS.

Yeah, and Ben Sasse does not determine if the Government is shut down or not, or the impasse that the Senate can NOT in any way, pass a bill defunding Planned Parenthood. So, Ben Sasse certainly isn't doing anything notable. 

Throw stones if one must. I thought I heard you speak highly of Bush, remind me when he defunded Planned Parenthood, got it! Never. It's not even been on the agenda.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
@roamer_1   You are the only absolutely relentless NTer I don't have on ignore, but you are getting close.

One wonders what you are like in real life.  I hope you are using this forum to get rid of all your hate and negativity and saving the people in your family.  But you are hurting those of us who have to read your rants.

Sorry @Emjay , but I missed your little screed. By all means then, put me on ignore, that I might join my fellows. Anyone who must resort to liberal 'hater' tactics probably isn't worth talking to anyway.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 10, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
Yet they were still able to pass a half a billion dollars in funding for Planned Parenthood plus an additional $1 trillion in wasteful spending with money that we don't have.  Go figure.

At least we have a few Conservatives like Ben Sasse who are willing to stand on principle and vote against all this leftist BS.

At least, some Conservatives can take credit for the pro-life actions of this administration, the nominees, yes, it is not clear how they will vote, defunding International Planned Parenthood, giving states the right to defund Planned Parenthood without being sued as some states may want that.  And there are more accomplishments as well.

So, the Never-Trumpers get NO credit for any of this, standing up for life.

The rest is about being realistic and being in the real world, meaning, the government would have been shut down with practically no way to get it back up, great, great, if one is anti-government but that would not work either.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 10, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
Yet they were still able to pass a half a billion dollars in funding for Planned Parenthood plus an additional $1 trillion in wasteful spending with money that we don't have.  Go figure.

At least we have a few Conservatives like Ben Sasse who are willing to stand on principle and vote against all this leftist BS.

Does Trump get no credit for helping the senate return to regular order to pass discrete appropriations bills for the first time in 20 years?

After all, after signing the last omibus spending bill he did declare 'never again'.

Maybe its just a coincidence.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 10, 2018, 01:07:23 PM
At least, some Conservatives can take credit for the pro-life actions of this administration, the nominees, yes, it is not clear how they will vote, defunding International Planned Parenthood, giving states the right to defund Planned Parenthood without being sued as some states may want that.  And there are more accomplishments as well.

My point is that we have a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and a Republican President, and yet action was taken to provide Planned Parenthood with $500 million in taxpayer money for the next year.  In other words, if Congress had done nothing, Planned Parenthood would have received nothing.  Yet this Republican Congress took action to provide that funding, and the President signed on.  And there is NOTHING Conservative about that.


So, the Never-Trumpers get NO credit for any of this, standing up for life.


What 'Never-Trumpers'?  Who are these NT boogeymen that keep getting brought up on these threads again and again?  This is more Ryan and McConnell's doing than anyone else.  Yet the part that is even more whack is that we have Senators like Ben Sasse who actually voted against this BS, yet they are maligned and ridiculed by Trump sycophants on this forum.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 10, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
Does Trump get no credit for helping the senate return to regular order to pass discrete appropriations bills for the first time in 20 years?

Absolutely, positively, yes, yes, and yes again.  Like I have been saying for the last two years, when Trump does something Conservative, I will praise him.  And when he does something liberal, I will criticize him.  And that goes for Paul Ryan, John McCain, Ted Cruz, and Ben Sasse as well.

For me, I refuse to put any person or personality above Conservatism.  Principles before personalities.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 10, 2018, 01:16:22 PM
I most certainly have.

LOL!   That's unadulterated bullshit.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 10, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Absolutely, positively, yes, yes, and yes again.  Like I have been saying for the last two years, when Trump does something Conservative, I will praise him.  And when he does something liberal, I will criticize him.  And that goes for Paul Ryan, John McCain, Ted Cruz, and Ben Sasse as well.

For me, I refuse to put any person or personality above Conservatism.  Principles before personalities.
:beer:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: truth_seeker on September 10, 2018, 01:25:09 PM
In the famous words of Spiro Agnew, NTers are mostly Nattering Nabobs of Negativity.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 10, 2018, 01:28:45 PM
Sorry @Emjay , but I missed your little screed. By all means then, put me on ignore, that I might join my fellows. Anyone who must resort to liberal 'hater' tactics probably isn't worth talking to anyway.

Just proof that they really do just want an echo chamber - and if given the chance, would cheer Trump imposing an Internet Fairness Doctrine so that anything negative about their political messiah and king can be purged and punished by government's hand.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 10, 2018, 01:29:36 PM
I'll say for Senator Ben Sasse what is true for Senators Cruz, Paul, Lee, Rubio, Cotton and I don't want to leave anyone out, their voices are important.

In one instance, we admire their independent thought, then, at the same time, we want them to be uniform with other Senators. This doesn't totally work at this point because most of these above vote how we want. Rubio was weak in being in the "gang of four"; but they probably did want to work things out.

We've got legislative problems and we can't work them out. If the House falls, there will be real, real gridlock as in under Obama.

Criticizing Sasse for me, it just a futile exercise, he votes conservative and he deserves his opinion to be aired. He does have to be careful if he is just talk with this.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 01:31:02 PM
LOL!   That's unadulterated bullshit.

No... I am QUITE happy that Zinke is opening the West back up to logging and timber sales (I even argued for the lumber tariff against Canada a little bit, sorta), I like a lot of what is happening in education, and just yesterday I said that cutting EPA by 8% in personnel is a good thing (just not WOW!)

All of that is creditable to Tumpy the Wonder Clown.

But by the same token, do not ever expect me to be unequivocally gunge-ho about anything - I am not built that way... I will always explore the unintended consequences.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 01:32:50 PM
Absolutely, positively, yes, yes, and yes again.  Like I have been saying for the last two years, when Trump does something Conservative, I will praise him.  And when he does something liberal, I will criticize him.  And that goes for Paul Ryan, John McCain, Ted Cruz, and Ben Sasse as well.

For me, I refuse to put any person or personality above Conservatism.  Principles before personalities.

Exactly right, and as it should be.

 :beer:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 01:39:36 PM
Just proof that they really do just want an echo chamber - and if given the chance, would cheer Trump imposing an Internet Fairness Doctrine so that anything negative about their political messiah and king can be purged and punished by government's hand.

Yeah... My ignore is utterly empty. No need to hide my eyes from dissent.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 10, 2018, 01:46:08 PM
Yeah... My ignore is utterly empty. No need to hide my eyes from dissent.

There's an Ignore button?  Why?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 01:56:42 PM
There's an Ignore button?  Why?

No, there's an ignore list - back in your profile options somewhere...
Doesn't do much... Just collapses any comment from anyone who you have put on that list...
You can always open the collapse and view it anyway, and 9 times out of 10, somebody will quote it and you'll wind up reading it regardless... So meh.

Easier to just scroll on by.  :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 10, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
Paraphrasing Isaiah 30:9-14 in rebuttal to what this thread illustrates so clearly.

For these are a rebellious people, people who delight in being deceived, people unwilling to listen to foundational truth.

They say to the Watchmen warning of consequences, “shut up with your negative nabobbery!” and to the Principled, “Give us no more lectures of what is right!
Tell us only pleasant things, foretell only the glorious illusions we wholeheartedly believe in, tell us lies our itching ears demand to hear!"

"Shove your stupid morality and purity! Get off your path and high horse, and stop confronting us with Conservative truths and biblical morality.”

Therefore this is what the lessons of history, human nature and the Divine Governor of the Universe teach:

Because this nation and people rejected the warnings, despised the message, trusted in perversion and depended on deceit, our follies and evil are become for our nation like a high wall, cracked and bulging, that collapses suddenly, in an instant. It will break in pieces like glass, shattered so mercilessly that among its pieces not a fragment will be found but ashes."
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 02:05:42 PM
Paraphrasing Isaiah 30:9-14 in rebuttal to what this thread illustrates so clearly.


Neatly done, and just so.  :beer:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: truth_seeker on September 10, 2018, 03:03:04 PM
Sasse Boy=

Harvard, Oxford, Yale

PhD

Academic or government

period

Never really worked for a living, outside college or government.

We already have far too many like that

No significant accomplishments, since HS Valedictorian

Sucks taxpayers' teat for a career.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
We need more GOP senators and we need, we must, hold the House in these midterms.

@jpsb
I was out mowing the yard, and this little bit came back to haunt me.

WHY? What difference does it make? If Conservative purity is no longer a test, what sort of craps-shoot would resolve the problem. There are already 4 (ok, 3 now) turncoat liberal Republicans in the senate... Most of the rest are wishy-washy  middle that cant agree on a vote without permission...  What possibly would do anything but exacerbate an already ridiculous problem?

This is the quintessential problem with throwing away the standard. All that's left is team sports, where a win is anything you want it to be.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 10, 2018, 03:14:36 PM
LOL!   That's unadulterated bullshit.

hahaha  @roamer_1 keeps asking me to prove stuff.  I want to see him prove that statement is NOT 'unadulterated bullshit.'

I think it is @DCPatriot

Boy the NTers got all rested up but they seem to have a second wind now.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: WarmPotato on September 10, 2018, 03:18:21 PM
Everyone is worried about re-election, no one is worried about America...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 03:19:42 PM
hahaha  @roamer_1 keeps asking me to prove stuff.  I want to see him prove that statement is NOT 'unadulterated bullshit.'

I already did.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 10, 2018, 03:20:35 PM
Everyone is worried about re-election, no one is worried about America...

Maybe I will ... if you ever become Hot Potato.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 03:48:15 PM
@sneakypete
Nope. I give him credit when it's due.

@roamer_1

If so,I haven't noticed it,but I don't notice everything,so I apologize if I am wrong.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 03:55:13 PM
Its hard to deny that, while its not ALL good, there is plenty of good stuff happening now that was considered highly unlikely two years ago. We shouldn't let our personal dislike for the current president prevent our enjoying it.

@skeeter

Agreed. Personally,I don't like the SOB. Wouldn't invite  him to a BBQ if he brought the pork.

Then again,I don't HAVE to like him to like the things he is doing.  Or to admire him for doing it to stroke his ego. Frankly I don't give a damn what he wants to stroke or what the reasoning is behind what he is doing to approve of what he is doing. In FACT,he would have done a hell of a lot more if it weren't for the RINO's and their Dim brothers sticking knives in his back at every opportunity. They are terrified that there is now a non-politician in the WH that isn't controlled by either branch of the Ruling Party,but only by his own ego and how his presidency will be seen by historians. They have no hold on him to get him to compromise to keep them from looking like the thieves,scoundrels,and traitors they really are,and they just don't know how to deal with anyone they can't control.

The really,REALLY funny part is they are in no position to try to stab him in the back with rumors he paid bribes to get building permits,etc,etc,etc,because it was THEM he had to bribe. I am LOVING the HELL out of that! Hung by their own petards.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 03:56:57 PM
Business confidence and building activity is through the roof! The downtowns of mid to large cities across America, even Detroit, are dotted with construction cranes not seen in decades, companies are hiring and the job market is struggling to find enough workers to fill the demand. Energy production is soaring and America is set to lead the world as largest supplier in many sectors.

But, none of this matters because of Trump’s personality – it’s just not pleasingly presidential enough for some of our political purists. wink777

@aligncare

He just flat refuses to kiss any rings,and they find that wholly unacceptable.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 04:02:17 PM
@aligncare

He just flat refuses to kiss any rings,and they find that wholly unacceptable.

@sneakypete

Quite the other way around - WE flatly refuse to kiss the ring, and I think that is the problem y'all have with us. I stand on the very same principles I have always stood upon. Nothing has changed.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 04:03:44 PM
@roamer_1

If so,I haven't noticed it,but I don't notice everything,so I apologize if I am wrong.

@sneakypete
I gave three examples off the top of my head upthread - At least I think it was this thread.  :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 10, 2018, 04:06:27 PM
@sneakypete

Quite the other way around - WE flatly refuse to kiss the ring, and I think that is the problem y'all have with us. I stand on the very same principles I have always stood upon. Nothing has changed.

Word.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 04:08:28 PM
Just proof that they really do just want an echo chamber - and if given the chance, would cheer Trump imposing an Internet Fairness Doctrine so that anything negative about their political messiah and king can be purged and punished by government's hand.

@INVAR

Seems to me like a few of you would be much more comfortable posting at DU or Huffington Post. After all,that's where your "peeps" are that  you have the most in common with.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 10, 2018, 04:11:30 PM
Seems to me like a few of you would be much more comfortable posting at DU or Huffington Post. After all,that's where your "peeps" are that  you have the most in common with.

You seem to have us confused with the 'ends-justify-the-means' crowd.  As for DU, we aren't the ones here rejecting TRUTH.  But hey, if you are unable to deal with 'truth' when it slaps you in the face, by all means come up with asinine character references about DU and HuffPo.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 10, 2018, 04:14:29 PM
@INVAR

Seems to me like a few of you would be much more comfortable posting at DU or Huffington Post. After all,that's where your "peeps" are that  you have the most in common with.

That's ridiculously lame for you.

Echo chambers and fairness doctrines are what the Left pushes for - and we have learned it is what Trump fanatics also push for.

Methinks the comfort zone you suggest is projection, because the Trump fanatics teach us daily that they have less in common with Conservatives and more in common with Collectivists/Statists as long as the long arm of big government is Trump's.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 10, 2018, 04:15:32 PM
@skeeter

Agreed. Personally,I don't like the SOB. Wouldn't invite  him to a BBQ if he brought the pork.

Then again,I don't HAVE to like him to like the things he is doing.  Or to admire him for doing it to stroke his ego. Frankly I don't give a damn what he wants to stroke or what the reasoning is behind what he is doing to approve of what he is doing. In FACT,he would have done a hell of a lot more if it weren't for the RINO's and their Dim brothers sticking knives in his back at every opportunity. They are terrified that there is now a non-politician in the WH that isn't controlled by either branch of the Ruling Party,but only by his own ego and how his presidency will be seen by historians. They have no hold on him to get him to compromise to keep them from looking like the thieves,scoundrels,and traitors they really are,and they just don't know how to deal with anyone they can't control.

The really,REALLY funny part is they are in no position to try to stab him in the back with rumors he paid bribes to get building permits,etc,etc,etc,because it was THEM he had to bribe. I am LOVING the HELL out of that! Hung by their own petards.

People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.

All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.

He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Bigun on September 10, 2018, 04:23:04 PM
People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.

All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.

He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.

@skeeter

You and I are in EXACTLY the same boat across the board.  There is no doubt about a thing you said there.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 10, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.

A friend of mine had a personal account with Trump during the campaign which indicates that he is both kind and generous.  I can testify that Trump makes financial impact in people's lives without a single press account being published.  Without going into details, I will gladly vouch for Trump on this one.


All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.

He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.

Ditto.  Just wish he would address my key issue - the federal budget.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 10, 2018, 04:59:22 PM
People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.

All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.

He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.

I agree with you.  He certainly ain't my "Orange God" either.  I will even go so far as to say I am still appalled that the GOP nominated him. 

I am especially disgusted that a lot of evangelicals winked at his despicable confession of Christ at Liberty University.  (I will "wink" at sins--even pretty bad sins--but over-the-top hypocrisy of the sort that is ultimately contemptuous of the blood of Christ needs to be called out [at least] for what it is:  serious blasphemy of the sort that even a reprobate like Thomas Jefferson would have condemned.)

Now that Trump is our POTUS, however, I am reminded that my God is in the Heavens and He does whatsoever He pleases.  That is one reason for my conscientious refusal to vote in 2016;  it is also why I do not assume that Trump's election is the beginning of the end of our Republic.  (Heck, having Hillary as POTUS would have brought about the dreadful, irreversible end that we deserved.)  I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America.  And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 10, 2018, 05:05:15 PM
I agree with you.  He certainly ain't my "Orange God" either.  I will even go so far as to say I am still appalled that the GOP nominated him. 

I am especially disgusted that a lot of evangelicals winked at his despicable confession of Christ at Liberty University.  (I will "wink" at sins--even pretty bad sins--but over-the-top hypocrisy of the sort that is ultimately contemptuous of the blood of Christ needs to be called out [at least] for what it is:  serious blasphemy of the sort that even a reprobate like Thomas Jefferson would have condemned.)

Now that Trump is our POTUS, however, I am reminded that my God is in the Heavens and He does whatsoever He pleases.  That is one reason for my conscientious refusal to vote in 2016;  it is also why I do not assume that Trump's election is the beginning of the end of our Republic.  (Heck, having Hillary as POTUS would have brought about the dreadful, irreversible end that we deserved.)  I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America.  And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered.

He surprised/is surprising me as well. You just never know.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 05:26:16 PM
I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America.  And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered.

No one is praying that we get what we deserve. That, @the_doc , is beneath you.  *****rollingeyes*****

Some of us know that Yahovah does not save nations out of their debauchery and depravity.
REPENTANCE as a nation must come first.


2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)


Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 10, 2018, 05:33:52 PM
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?

There shouldn't be only two choices.

Many people have left the Republican party because they are far more conservative than the party and there is no place for us there.

The alternative is not becoming a pro-abortion Democrat.   That's actually quite a silly suggestion for a conservative like Sasse.

@austingirl
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 10, 2018, 05:36:02 PM
I agree with you.  He certainly ain't my "Orange God" either.  I will even go so far as to say I am still appalled that the GOP nominated him. 

I am especially disgusted that a lot of evangelicals winked at his despicable confession of Christ at Liberty University.  (I will "wink" at sins--even pretty bad sins--but over-the-top hypocrisy of the sort that is ultimately contemptuous of the blood of Christ needs to be called out [at least] for what it is:  serious blasphemy of the sort that even a reprobate like Thomas Jefferson would have condemned.)

Now that Trump is our POTUS, however, I am reminded that my God is in the Heavens and He does whatsoever He pleases.  That is one reason for my conscientious refusal to vote in 2016;  it is also why I do not assume that Trump's election is the beginning of the end of our Republic.  (Heck, having Hillary as POTUS would have brought about the dreadful, irreversible end that we deserved.)  I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America.  And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered.

Will you please name the person/persons you are accusing of this?

Because without a citation and proof, it is a really ugly and certainly un-Christian accusation.

@the_doc
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 10, 2018, 05:49:59 PM
Emjay says here stuff, is because Bush 41 was out groping women, so don't think her malicious words towards Trump, Lincoln (as if her husband said he was a bad president, maybe, maybe so), is to protect Bush 41 and the precious Bushes, they are from Texas so likewise, she slandered Trump earlier when Cruz ran a dirty campaign. She should not speak of division.

Trump has real accomplishments, like aiding Christians in the Middle East, go sit on it, for all of the gossip and slander by others.  Go join the pro-choicers who say they support Trump.

(https://www.creativefabrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Go-sit-on-a-cactus-1.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 10, 2018, 05:53:55 PM
Emjay says here stuff, is because Bush 41 was out groping women, so don't think her malicious words towards Trump, Lincoln (as if her husband said he was a bad president, maybe, maybe so), is to protect Bush 41 and the precious Bushes, they are from Texas so likewise, she slandered Trump earlier when Cruz ran a dirty campaign. She should not speak of division.

Trump has real accomplishments, like aiding Christians in the Middle East, go sit on it, for all of the gossip and slander by others.  Go join the pro-choicers who say they support Trump.

(https://www.creativefabrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Go-sit-on-a-cactus-1.jpg)

The Bushes are not from Texas!  GWHB was from Massachusetts and W was born in Connecticut.  They did move here, and W was the Governor, but they are from the NE.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: bilo on September 10, 2018, 06:03:43 PM
People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.

All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.

He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.

 :amen:

I supported likeable Presidents, as I'm sure most here did, and the left continued to advance their agenda but just at a slower pace. Trump may act like a jerk at times but he's trying to do exactly what he said he would on the campaign trail.

I figure if the guy I really wanted, Cruz, can put aside his animus I sure can. I don't see anything positive with the constant battle between Trump supporters and Never Trumpers. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I sure will in 2020.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: austingirl on September 10, 2018, 06:04:49 PM
There shouldn't be only two choices.

Many people have left the Republican party because they are far more conservative than the party and there is no place for us there.

The alternative is not becoming a pro-abortion Democrat.   That's actually quite a silly suggestion for a conservative like Sasse.

@austingirl
@musiclady

Silly? I didn't know you were the arbiter of silly. You've got a lot on your plate.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: bilo on September 10, 2018, 06:11:58 PM
I agree with you.  He certainly ain't my "Orange God" either.  I will even go so far as to say I am still appalled that the GOP nominated him. 

I am especially disgusted that a lot of evangelicals winked at his despicable confession of Christ at Liberty University.  (I will "wink" at sins--even pretty bad sins--but over-the-top hypocrisy of the sort that is ultimately contemptuous of the blood of Christ needs to be called out [at least] for what it is:  serious blasphemy of the sort that even a reprobate like Thomas Jefferson would have condemned.)

Now that Trump is our POTUS, however, I am reminded that my God is in the Heavens and He does whatsoever He pleases.  That is one reason for my conscientious refusal to vote in 2016;  it is also why I do not assume that Trump's election is the beginning of the end of our Republic.  (Heck, having Hillary as POTUS would have brought about the dreadful, irreversible end that we deserved.)  I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America.  And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered.

You know we've had Presidents who are born again Christians and yet Trump (who would have thought it) is doing more to support Israel than we've ever seen. He not only followed through and moved the Embassy, but he has also begun rescinding payments to the PLO and various other groups who want to destroy Israel. In addition to this he has been very vocal in denouncing Christian persecution around the world as well as fighting to get Pastors and missionaries released from imprisonment.

He has surprised me.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 10, 2018, 06:31:42 PM
Be happy with the burn pits under your hero George W. Bush and how service people have died of cancers rarely seen Musiclady but don't criticize others who are in the battle for this country's future.





not enough editing Tom
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 06:37:29 PM
You seem to have us confused with the 'ends-justify-the-means' crowd.  As for DU, we aren't the ones here rejecting TRUTH.   

@Hoodat

You wouldn't recognize truth if it bit you on your ass.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 06:39:27 PM
T
Quote
hat's ridiculously lame for you.

Echo chambers and fairness doctrines are what the Left pushes for - and we have learned it is what Trump fanatics also push for.

Methinks the comfort zone you suggest is projection, because the Trump fanatics teach us daily that they have less in common with Conservatives and more in common with Collectivists/Statists as long as the long arm of big government is Trump's.
@INVAR


You are delusional. The difference is we are pragmatic,and you live in a dream world. Dream worlds are for Dims and other children.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Mod5 on September 10, 2018, 06:43:08 PM
Just a friendly reminder - no more personal insults.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 06:43:34 PM
No one is praying that we get what we deserve. That, @the_doc , is beneath you.  *****rollingeyes*****

Some of us know that Yahovah does not save nations out of their debauchery and depravity.
REPENTANCE as a nation must come first.


2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)


@roamer_1

Let me see if I have this straight,ok? YOU are the one that only deals in facts and realities,and the people supporting Trump because he is doing a good job are the ones who are delusional?

Did you come to this conclusion yourself,or did your magical spook appear before you in a dream to explain it to you?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 06:46:02 PM
@roamer_1

Let me see if I have this straight,ok? YOU are the one that only deals in facts and realities,and the people supporting Trump because he is doing a good job are the ones who are delusional?

Did you come to this conclusion yourself,or did your magical spook appear before you in a dream to explain it to you?

What the heck does any of that have to do with the post you quoted?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 10, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
What the heck does any of that have to do with the post you quoted?

@roamer_1

What,you don't even read your own posts?

Did you,or did you not write the cut and paste quote below?

Quote
Some of us know that Yahovah does not save nations out of their debauchery and depravity.
REPENTANCE as a nation must come first.


2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 10, 2018, 06:50:45 PM
@roamer_1

What,you don't even read your own posts?

Did you,or did you not write the cut and paste quote below?

Sure I did.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 10, 2018, 06:53:45 PM
@musiclady

Silly? I didn't know you were the arbiter of silly. You've got a lot on your plate.

Avoiding the point I was clearly making.

The idea that the only choice Sasse has is to join the pro-abortion Democrat party when he's on the conservative end of the not-so-conservative Republican party is illogical.

I was hoping you'd address the point and not go all ad hominem on me.   :shrug:

@austingirl
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 10, 2018, 06:54:50 PM
Be happy with the burn pits under your hero George W. Bush and how service people have died of cancers rarely seen Musiclady but don't criticize others who are in the battle for this country's future.

Emjay can go and defend slavery and saying something bad about Lincoln to be vindictive towards others for merely talking about Bush 41's groping.

This post makes absolutely NO sense.


Oy.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Mod5 on September 10, 2018, 06:55:30 PM
Let's move on from this thread for a time.   

:dontfeed:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 11, 2018, 01:19:32 PM
Will you please name the person/persons you are accusing of this?

Because without a citation and proof, it is a really ugly and certainly un-Christian accusation.

@the_doc

Please go back and re-read what I said before you make an ugly accusation (LOL). 

The operative word in my statement was seem.  My point is that I definitely do believe--whether rightly or wrongly--that too many people on TBR who have been publicly prophesying America's ruin under Trump have become emotionally (perversely, smugly) invested in a scenario in which Trump falls flat in his serious attempts to drain the Swamp.  I doubt that they fully realize their spiritual blunder, but I have noticed that the most ardent NeverTrumpers have never affirmed that they pray for God to have mercy on Trump.  They just trash him for his past sins, and scoff at him for his present political roughness.  They seem to want him removed--which likely would precipitate the final  ruin of America.     

So, I stand by what I said in my previous post.  Wait and see what God does through our POTUS between now and yearend. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 11, 2018, 01:29:49 PM
Please go back and re-read what I said before you make an ugly accusation (LOL). 

The operative word in my statement was seem.  My point is that I definitely do believe--whether rightly or wrongly--that too many people on TBR who have been publicly prophesying America's ruin under Trump have become emotionally (perversely, smugly) invested in a scenario in which Trump falls flat in his serious attempts to drain the Swamp.  I doubt that they fully realize their spiritual blunder, but I have noticed that the most ardent NeverTrumpers have never affirmed that they pray for God to have mercy on Trump.  They just trash him for his past sins, and scoff at him for his present political roughness.  They seem to want him removed--which likely would precipitate the final  ruin of America.     

So, I stand by what I said in my previous post.  Wait and see what God does through our POTUS between now and yearend.

So your accusation was based on what you feel and have surmised, not what is true.  :shrug:

You have NO idea if people who don't approve of Trump pray for him, or don't.  You just don't like that some people won't whitewash lack of character, and want everyone to have come to the same 'revelation' that you have.

I would recommend that, to help continue the reputation you clearly have of being an honest broker (you are), that you would in the future avoid stating as black and white the way things "seem" to you.

Your broad brush condemnation and feelings about the matter make what you post "seem" to be quite inaccurate.



btw, it is duly noted that you have neither responded with any names, nor any citations to back up your feelings on the matter.
 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 11, 2018, 01:30:54 PM
The operative word in my statement was seem.  My point is that I definitely do believe--whether rightly or wrongly--that too many people on TBR who have been publicly prophesying America's ruin under Trump have become emotionally (perversely, smugly) invested in a scenario in which Trump falls flat in his serious attempts to drain the Swamp.  I doubt that they fully realize their spiritual blunder, but I have noticed that the most ardent NeverTrumpers have never affirmed that they pray for God to have mercy on Trump.  They just trash him for his past sins, and scoff at him for his present political roughness.  They seem to want him removed--which likely would precipitate the final  ruin of America.     

So, I stand by what I said in my previous post.  Wait and see what God does through our POTUS between now and yearend.

Some of us recognize that God answered the demands of what the people wanted, and gave it to them.

Which is NEVER a good thing as biblical history illustrates.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: The Ghost on September 11, 2018, 01:39:09 PM
Who unlocked the chastity belt on this thread?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
@INVAR

Seems to me like a few of you would be much more comfortable posting at DU or Huffington Post. After all,that's where your "peeps" are that  you have the most in common with.

I agree @sneakypete but as far as an Internet Fairness doctrine is concerned, anybody who watched Tucker Carlson last night saw an amazing expose of how Google tried to influence the election.  Also @INVAR because he blames Trump for everything including things he hasn't done or mentioned yet.

We all know Google has a lot of power.  It's the NO. 1 search engine by far and we all know that you have to be prepared to go 5 or 6 pages deep to find unbiased answers to any search. 

I'm not totally sure that we don't need some sort of control.  The only problem is letting government control anything because that's never a good idea.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 01:49:34 PM
Yes, good things are happening.   But it is Trump that, right now, poses the gravest threat to all that good news.    He insists that this fall's elections be a referendum on him and his style,  not the growing prosperity.    That risks all - voters are expected to make the subtle and difficult decision to recognize that prosperity and reward Republicans while cringing nightly at the latest Presidential tantrum.     That is a lot to ask - too much,  I believe, to save the House.   And with the House in Dem hands,  the next two years will be Crazytown, 24/7.     

Always a 'but' @Jazzhead   Good things are happening 'but'

But you don't like Trump's personality.  You admit to growing prosperity but Trump is a jerk.

You may admit to the probability of Trump improving the Supreme Court in a dramatic way, but Trump is a jerk.

You may admit to Trump actually putting America first in trade and in protecting our country from being overwhelmed by illegal alients ... but Trump is a jerk.

Now I'm wondering who the real jerk is in this scenario.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 11, 2018, 01:50:21 PM
I agree @sneakypete but as far as an Internet Fairness doctrine is concerned, anybody who watched Tucker Carlson last night saw an amazing expose of how Google tried to influence the election.  Also @INVAR because he blames Trump for everything including things he hasn't done or mentioned yet.

We all know Google has a lot of power.  It's the NO. 1 search engine by far and we all know that you have to be prepared to go 5 or 6 pages deep to find unbiased answers to any search. 

I'm not totally sure that we don't need some sort of control.  The only problem is letting government control anything because that's never a good idea.

Government regulation - no, never.

But using anti-trust laws on the books a judge might be able to break Google up into smaller entities that can then compete with each other for our business.

Given what we are finding out about the Google and their obvious desire to use their immense resources to influence political outcomes by filtering information I don't know why anyone (who isn't a drooling left winger) would find fault with this.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 11, 2018, 01:51:00 PM

I'm not totally sure that we don't need some sort of control.  The only problem is letting government control anything because that's never a good idea.

@Emjay

Yes,that is always the problem,isn't it? How do you release that monster and then get him to quietly go back into his cage?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 01:53:20 PM
There's an Ignore button?  Why?

Because coming here everyday when the NTers are on full alert can be depressing.  They never say anything original or hopeful.

It's all downbeat, I hate Trump, I hate Republicans, ...blah, blah, blah.

I took everyone off of ignore for several weeks but after realizing they NEVER say anything enlightening or original, I decided to protect myself from their mire of despair.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 01:55:58 PM
Sasse Boy=

Harvard, Oxford, Yale

PhD

Academic or government

period

Never really worked for a living, outside college or government.

We already have far too many like that

No significant accomplishments, since HS Valedictorian

Sucks taxpayers' teat for a career.

Amen @truth_seeker   That resume is only impressive to another college professor.  Maybe all college professors should be forced to work in a real industry for a while before running for office.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
@skeeter

You and I are in EXACTLY the same boat across the board.  There is no doubt about a thing you said there.

@skeeter @Bigun   I'll join your club if you'll let me in.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
There shouldn't be only two choices.

Many people have left the Republican party because they are far more conservative than the party and there is no place for us there.

The alternative is not becoming a pro-abortion Democrat.   That's actually quite a silly suggestion for a conservative like Sasse.

@austingirl

@musiclady   The problem is reality.  There are only two choices right now and we can either live with that and choose the best alternative or we can sit it out.

Sitting it out is okay as a personal choice but it is a selfish one.  Because if all the purists sit it out, that opens the door for the Dark Side to take over.  We all know what the democrats stand for and the scary thing is ... they are getting worse.

It will be many years, if ever, before a third party could become viable.  We can't wait for that because if the democrats ever get power again they will ruin our country.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 02:05:19 PM
Be happy with the burn pits under your hero George W. Bush and how service people have died of cancers rarely seen Musiclady but don't criticize others who are in the battle for this country's future.

Emjay can go and defend slavery and saying something bad about Lincoln to be vindictive towards others for merely talking about Bush 41's groping.

@TomSea You have insulted and lied about me twice.  I had to report you to the moderators.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 11, 2018, 02:06:41 PM
Given what we are finding out about the Google and their obvious desire to use their immense resources to influence political outcomes by filtering information I don't know why anyone (who isn't a drooling left winger) would find fault with this.

Because Government is Midas in reverse. 

It turns whatever it touches into shit - and makes the rest of us pay for it and suffer worse than the problem they were supposed to address.

I'd rather suffer whatever bullshit Google attempts than let government try to 'fix -it'.

I still am beholden to the fact that the most frightening words any person should ever hear is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 11, 2018, 02:12:08 PM
as far as an Internet Fairness doctrine is concerned, anybody who watched Tucker Carlson last night saw an amazing expose of how Google tried to influence the election.  Also @INVAR because he blames Trump for everything including things he hasn't done or mentioned yet.

As usual, your reading comprehension sucks and is always twisted in order to stir the shit on the board.

It's the morons cheering and applauding the idea of using government to impose a fairness doctrine on the internet I have the big issue with.  Trump has yet to go beyond tweeting about threatening to do so, but when he does both he and his sycophantic mob will rightly deserve blame when and if such a horrifying use of power is implemented.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Bigun on September 11, 2018, 02:16:57 PM
@skeeter @Bigun   I'll join your club if you'll let me in.

Welcome aboard @Emjay!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 02:20:10 PM
Government regulation - no, never.

But using anti-trust laws on the books a judge might be able to break Google up into smaller entities that can then compete with each other for our business.

Given what we are finding out about the Google and their obvious desire to use their immense resources to influence political outcomes by filtering information I don't know why anyone (who isn't a drooling left winger) would find fault with this.


Riiiight. Rely on big-daddy gov - They can fix anything!!!

How is your imposition any different than the liberals' imposition by way of federal overreach?
Hell no. Monopoly law should be the very LAST thing you think of.

Not to mention that Google is not a monopoly, in any of its aspects.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 02:22:55 PM
Because Government is Midas in reverse. 
[...]
I'd rather suffer whatever bullshit Google attempts than let government try to 'fix -it'.

I still am beholden to the fact that the most frightening words any person should ever hear is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

HA! GMTA
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 02:30:28 PM
 888high58888
Welcome aboard @Emjay!
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 11, 2018, 02:45:19 PM
What Sasse says is probably healthy, it might be more worrisome if no Senators said they wanted to leave the Republican Party. Bernie ran as a Democrat, will probably run in 2020 but after the primaries were over, I believe he re-registered as an Independent. Why is that not a big deal with Bernie but a big deal with Sasse?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 11, 2018, 02:49:18 PM
@musiclady   The problem is reality.  There are only two choices right now and we can either live with that and choose the best alternative or we can sit it out.

Sitting it out is okay as a personal choice but it is a selfish one.  Because if all the purists sit it out, that opens the door for the Dark Side to take over.  We all know what the democrats stand for and the scary thing is ... they are getting worse.

It will be many years, if ever, before a third party could become viable.  We can't wait for that because if the democrats ever get power again they will ruin our country.

Who's sitting what out??

Your implication is that not liking Trump means we aren't doing anything.

That's not what's happening.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 11, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
@skeeter @Bigun   I'll join your club if you'll let me in.

Its more a raft than a boat, but hop on...

 :th_10444:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 11, 2018, 02:51:08 PM
@TomSea You have insulted and lied about me twice.  I had to report you to the moderators.

Well, I didn't report it, but he lied about me too and said some incredibly awful stuff that was pretty wacked out.

Not nice..... not nice at all.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 11, 2018, 03:10:09 PM
Trump has yet to go beyond tweeting about threatening to do so, but when he does both he and his sycophantic mob will rightly deserve blame when and if such a horrifying use of power is implemented.

Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 11, 2018, 03:14:35 PM

Riiiight. Rely on big-daddy gov - They can fix anything!!!

How is your imposition any different than the liberals' imposition by way of federal overreach?
Hell no. Monopoly law should be the very LAST thing you think of.

Not to mention that Google is not a monopoly, in any of its aspects.

Because what I suggested actually enhances the market. More choices is better than one dominating leftwing gargantua.

Too nuanced for you?

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 11, 2018, 03:18:50 PM
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.

Ditto all of that.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 03:20:39 PM
Because what I suggested actually enhances the market. More choices is better than one dominating leftwing gargantua.

Too nuanced for you?

So the ends justify the means. And Uncle-Daddy gets to choose the winners and losers.
No sale.  **nononono*
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: XenaLee on September 11, 2018, 03:21:35 PM
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.

Or.... if they don't already have it, they fervently and intently work towards getting the power (ie packing the courts with leftist judges as an example), even if it's behind the scenes and off the radar.  You can be shock-sure that they are always working towards getting that power and/or retaining it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

But it sure enough is a view into his big-gov mindset. And that should terrify us all.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 11, 2018, 03:24:34 PM
@musiclady   The problem is reality.  There are only two choices right now and we can either live with that and choose the best alternative or we can sit it out.

Sitting it out is okay as a personal choice but it is a selfish one.  Because if all the purists sit it out, that opens the door for the Dark Side to take over.  We all know what the democrats stand for and the scary thing is ... they are getting worse.

It will be many years, if ever, before a third party could become viable.  We can't wait for that because if the democrats ever get power again they will ruin our country.

There are "only two choices" because people don't have the courage to not accept the choices offered by those two parties. As long as you decide to stay on the plantation the plantation will continue making you its slave leaving you "no other choice". You are doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, year after year... The only way to make an actual change is refuse to play their game and actually make a party earn your vote. But that takes courage.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 11, 2018, 03:26:55 PM
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that.  Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through.  And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway.  So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him.  And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement.  It's all bark and no bite.

What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.

The same thing could have been said about Obamacare one size fits all government mandated healthcare and forcing people to buy health insurance.

Yet it became the law of the land anyway...

And I'll add, once it becomes law it sets precedence for future laws and is practically impossible to get rid of.

Don't open the door.

Don't even knock on the door.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 11, 2018, 03:34:07 PM
So the ends justify the means. And Uncle-Daddy gets to choose the winners and losers.
No sale.  **nononono*

Actually I apply the same standard to corporations that I would apply to government. Both are run by individuals who can be corrupted. Neither should be allowed to abuse their positions of advantage and Google (the search engine part anyway), by virtue of it's overwhelming market presence and increasing tendency to act politically, presents a threat that should be addressed.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 11, 2018, 03:41:29 PM
Actually I apply the same standard to corporations that I would apply to government. Both are run by individuals who can be corrupted. Neither should be allowed to abuse their positions of advantage and Google (the search engine part anyway), by virtue of it's overwhelming market presence and increasing tendency to act politically, presents a threat that should be addressed.

How about we the people address it and push back against them directly? You have lost faith in free markets and their ability to correct themselves. Giving government the power to use the hammer on the 1st amendment against your enemies is a sure fire way to be eventually on the receiving end of the hammer. Don't give government the hammer. Period.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 03:50:14 PM
Actually I apply the same standard to corporations that I would apply to government. Both are run by individuals who can be corrupted. Neither should be allowed to abuse their positions of advantage and Google (the search engine part anyway), by virtue of it's overwhelming market presence and increasing tendency to act politically, presents a threat that should be addressed.

In the first place, Google's search engine is nowhere near a monopoly... See Bing, Yahoo, AOL, Lycos/WebCrawler, and etc. I have a distinct aversion to Google, and I have no problem finding alternatives. For most things, Yahoo suits me fine. So trying to declare a monopoly position against Google is an utter waste of time and breath.

And while I generally agree with you that one can trust neither government nor corporations, I would submit that I will side with corporations right down to the bare nub, before I would ever let Uncle-Daddy get his mitts on the deal... Because at least corporations are subject to market forces. Google could be wasted to nothing five years from now.

Look at AOL. Twenty years ago, they owned the internet, and yet today, and at least for the last ten years, they have almost been disappeared... A caricature of their former self. The Facebook of today is the Myspace of tomorrow. Best to keep Uncle-Daddy's fat nose out of the damn tent.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 11, 2018, 03:50:42 PM
How about we the people address it and push back against them directly? You have lost faith in free markets and their ability to correct themselves. Giving government the power to use the hammer on the 1st amendment against your enemies is a sure fire way to be eventually on the receiving end of the hammer. Don't give government the hammer. Period.

Yes I am losing faith in the 'free market'. Because I do not trust large corporations flush with cash and the power to filter the information a discerning public requires to stay free to not seek to ally itself with a government that has more than a passing interest in what that corporation has the power to offer them.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 03:52:07 PM
How about we the people address it and push back against them directly? You have lost faith in free markets and their ability to correct themselves. Giving government the power to use the hammer on the 1st amendment against your enemies is a sure fire way to be eventually on the receiving end of the hammer. Don't give government the hammer. Period.

 :amen:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 11, 2018, 04:01:04 PM
GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party

This creep also "regularly" sniffs the seats on Greyhound Buses after passengers disembark.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 04:07:23 PM
Who's sitting what out??

Your implication is that not liking Trump means we aren't doing anything.

That's not what's happening.

Sorry, I thought you meant that wished there were a third choice because you couldn't vote for Trump.

Was I wrong?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 04:08:45 PM
Well, I didn't report it, but he lied about me too and said some incredibly awful stuff that was pretty wacked out.

Not nice..... not nice at all.

Yeah, @musiclady and it was totally out of the blue, unrelated to anything we were discussing.  I can only guess that he is self-medicating today.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 04:11:38 PM
There are "only two choices" because people don't have the courage to not accept the choices offered by those two parties. As long as you decide to stay on the plantation the plantation will continue making you its slave leaving you "no other choice". You are doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, year after year... The only way to make an actual change is refuse to play their game and actually make a party earn your vote. But that takes courage.

Not sure what you mean by 'refuse to play their game.'  If you mean sit out a vote because you refuse to realize that right now we have a binary choice, I don't call that courage but wishful thinking.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 11, 2018, 04:12:31 PM
Yes I am losing faith in the 'free market'.

With explains why Democrats, Marxists, Republicans and Trump supporters embrace various facets of Socialism/Collectivism/Statism - and further make my point that there is no difference between the parties or the people who support one or the other.

Only in whom they target for government punitive action.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 11, 2018, 04:16:08 PM
If you mean sit out a vote because you refuse to realize that right now we have a binary choice

No, we do not have only a binary choice.

That is what your taskmasters and fellow slaves on the plantation tell YOU, in order to keep you a slave beholden to their schemes and corruption.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 11, 2018, 04:21:53 PM
Logical fallacies

See:  False Dilemma (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/94/False-Dilemma)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 04:24:56 PM
Not sure what you mean by 'refuse to play their game.'  If you mean sit out a vote because you refuse to realize that right now we have a binary choice, I don't call that courage but wishful thinking.

Even in your own words, you have proven it is more than binary.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Mod5 on September 11, 2018, 04:35:23 PM
Yeah, @musiclady and it was totally out of the blue, unrelated to anything we were discussing.  I can only guess that he is self-medicating today.

Don't do that. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 11, 2018, 05:14:34 PM
As what is "off-topic" and out of the blue??, although some article is talking about Obama being one of the worse presidents ever, changing it to Lincoln being that? Hey, I'll take the insults because I'm not going to stand up for slavery with some of the pigslop around, likewise, said poster said President Trump personally abused Senator Cruz, so this criticism there is nothing wrong with, because the poster themselves said it. So, this posters insults are just okay along with threatening anyone that she'll put them on her ignore list and yet, they are now defending Trump from criticisms?  Unbeleivable. Enough of this bullying. Likewise, I didn't outright accuse one of hating for expressing an opinion and others latched on to that per another member, so it isn't false, maybe it was directed at the wrong person. Somewhere, one has to stand up.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 11, 2018, 05:18:07 PM
As usual, your reading comprehension sucks and is always twisted in order to stir the shit on the board.

It's the morons cheering and applauding the idea of using government to impose a fairness doctrine on the internet I have the big issue with.  Trump has yet to go beyond tweeting about threatening to do so, but when he does both he and his sycophantic mob will rightly deserve blame when and if such a horrifying use of power is implemented.

I actually think Trump might be as bad as, say, Abraham Lincoln in the abuse of power.  We survived that, though it certainly has hurt our Constitutional Republic--which is no longer federal (covenantal).  In short, the abuse of power is not new, not even new in the GOP.  Heck, it practically started with us.

Don't get me wrong:

1)  I don't despise Lincoln's memory.  He was a pretty decent, kind-hearted fellow (despite the fact that he was a segregationist of sorts--certainly not the kind of abolitionist I would have preferred in the 19th Century).  Even more important, Lincoln was not openly crass. 

2)  With regard to the use of federal power, I just submit that Lincoln was badly flawed in ways that Republicans don't like to talk about.

Anyway, I would say that the NeverTrumpers' main complaints about Trump stem from the fact that, unlike Lincoln, Trump shoots off his narcissistic mouth too much;  that, in turn, causes a lot of voters to talk about his sexual sins as though he certainly hasn't stopped his adultery, etc.  He's kind of a jerk, IM0, but he's our jerk right now, trying to save the Union from the real bad actors.  I respect that, even if I don't agree with Trump on a few things--and even if I don't like his flamethrowing style. 

(I guess we ought to confess that even reprobates can sometimes turn out to be pretty good Presidents.  [Also, I am heartened to notice that the Progressives HATE him.  That, in turn, is probably reason enough to back Trump as much as possible--keeping a careful watch on him, of course.]) 

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 11, 2018, 05:25:28 PM
With explains why Democrats, Marxists, Republicans and Trump supporters embrace various facets of Socialism/Collectivism/Statism - and further make my point that there is no difference between the parties or the people who support one or the other.

Only in whom they target for government punitive action.

Actually, I 'explained why' in the part of my comment you chose to cut out.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 11, 2018, 07:08:37 PM
He's kind of a jerk, IM0, but he's our jerk right now, trying to save the Union from the real bad actors.

He may be YOUR jerk, but he most definitely is not MY jerk, anymore than I claimed Obama as MY president. 


(I guess we ought to confess that even reprobates can sometimes turn out to be pretty good Presidents. 

We will have to disagree on that one. 

"A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit." - Matthew 7:18

Also, I am heartened to notice that the Progressives HATE him.  That, in turn, is probably reason enough to back Trump as much as possible--keeping a careful watch on him, of course.

"It was out of fear of the Communists that we supported Hitler" - Opa Neumüller"
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 11, 2018, 07:13:14 PM
Sorry, I thought you meant that wished there were a third choice because you couldn't vote for Trump.

Was I wrong?

There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.

I hope there is an even bigger percentage of people who make that choice in 2020.

(And for the record in case anyone says otherwise -as I'm sure some Trumper will - I despise Hillary, and am glad she lost).
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 07:32:00 PM
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.

BUMP THAT.
 :seeya: :patriot:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 11, 2018, 08:18:15 PM
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.

I hope there is an even bigger percentage of people who make that choice in 2020.

(And for the record in case anyone says otherwise -as I'm sure some Trumper will - I despise Hillary, and am glad she lost).

I conscientiously sat out the election, as practically all professed NeverTrumpers here on TBR did if they couldn't write in a decent third party candidate.

But now that DJT is in office I think it's important to support him--even if I still won't vote for him if he survives to run again.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 11, 2018, 08:28:26 PM
I conscientiously sat out the election, as practically all professed NeverTrumpers here on TBR did if they couldn't write in a decent third party candidate.

But now that DJT is in office I think it's important to support him--even if I still won't vote for him if he survives to run again.

I sincerely hope you meant politically...because if anything happens to him because of some left-wing nut....... :smokin:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 11, 2018, 08:40:10 PM
There are "only two choices" because people don't have the courage to not accept the choices offered by those two parties. As long as you decide to stay on the plantation the plantation will continue making you its slave leaving you "no other choice". You are doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, year after year... The only way to make an actual change is refuse to play their game and actually make a party earn your vote. But that takes courage.

Oh, Amen!  I am getting off the plantation.  Leaving and they can send the dogs after me.  You can't be free unless you take a step.  In this case I am skipping walking and in a full run.  I am ready for whatever punishment they can dish.  Get out the whip!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 11, 2018, 08:43:41 PM
I sincerely hope you meant politically...because if anything happens to him because of some left-wing nut....... :smokin:

I think you are a smart man but this isn't smart.  Today I read Donald Jr. talking about the small amount of people his father can trust in the White House.  They aren't all left wing holdovers.  Most Trump appointed.  Like Amarosa.  She is the Trump hire that keeps on giving.  Stupidity is what that was.  She worked for the Clintons for goodness sakes.  He hired her, guess he likes left wing nuts.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 11, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Oh, Amen!  I am getting off the plantation.  Leaving and they can send the dogs after me.  You can't be free unless you take a step.  In this case I am skipping walking and in a full run.  I am ready for whatever punishment they can dish.  Get out the whip!

I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 11, 2018, 08:47:41 PM
I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.


Frank Cannon: "I need a drink."
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: truth_seeker on September 11, 2018, 09:06:19 PM
400+ posts here, about this Harvard Yale Oxford PhD ?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 09:54:01 PM
Don't do that.

Excuse me, I thought it was a kindness.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 09:57:55 PM
Oh, Amen!  I am getting off the plantation.  Leaving and they can send the dogs after me.  You can't be free unless you take a step.  In this case I am skipping walking and in a full run.  I am ready for whatever punishment they can dish.  Get out the whip!

@Chosen Daughter   I would be completely fine with you and your compatriot taking your toys and going home. Go on and take that Noble Step. 

The only problem is that y'all will take more sensible people with you.  People who do not expect perfection but who are willing to support and live with the best possible choice.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 09:59:12 PM
I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.

Well, dammit, @Frank Cannon ... it's getting really old.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 10:03:34 PM
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.

I hope there is an even bigger percentage of people who make that choice in 2020.

(And for the record in case anyone says otherwise -as I'm sure some Trumper will - I despise Hillary, and am glad she lost).

I'm sorry @musiclady but you may be glad Hillary lost but you are here bragging about contributing to her almost winning.  And, if she had won, it will be purists like you who punish the rest of us by voting for some pie in the sky third party.

You remind me of this idiot guy I saw in Sears right after Clinton won.  He was wearing a t-shirt that said 'Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot.'  I wanted to slap him.  He and his ilk were totally to blame.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 11, 2018, 10:08:49 PM
I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.
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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Mod5 on September 11, 2018, 10:10:18 PM
Excuse me, I thought it was a kindness.


It definitely is not.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 11, 2018, 10:14:12 PM
   We interrupt your regularly scheduled broadcast to bring you this important announcement..........

    TBR is a Conservative Board, first and foremost and the fact that we are debating the degrees of what constitutes Conservatism here is more proof that not only has Trump hijacked the GOP (his party and prerogative), BUT his loyal supporters are trying to redefine the very essence of an Ideology that will survive all of them.

    We bring you back to your regularly scheduled broadcast................

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 11, 2018, 10:19:11 PM
I'm sorry @musiclady but you may be glad Hillary lost but you are here bragging about contributing to her almost winning.  And, if she had won, it will be purists like you who punish the rest of us by voting for some pie in the sky third party.

Ah yes..... there it is. 

It's not the fault of the majority who would have voted FOR Hillary that you will blame for her and a future Marxist-In-Chief.   Like the Leftist imbeciles, you will blame those whom refused to vote for your party's liberal;  whom had enough voting for a failed uniparty and decided to vote FOR someone and a party that better represented their actual values and principles. 

Well, ask us if we care if you suffer the consequences of stupidity telling us 'holier-than-thous' to get the hell out of your party.  We did what you told us to.  We're gone.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 10:22:50 PM
   We interrupt your regularly scheduled broadcast to bring you this important announcement..........

    TBR is a Conservative Board, first and foremost and the fact that we are debating the degrees of what constitutes Conservatism here is more proof that not only has Trump hijacked the GOP (his party and prerogative), BUT his loyal supporters are trying to redefine the very essence of an Ideology that will survive all of them.

    We bring you back to your regularly scheduled broadcast................

Earth to @corbe   Trump has not hijacked the GOP.  But he did win the GOP nomination and then the Presidency and he has been a pleasant surprise to a lot of people who wanted someone else.

I wanted someone else but that person did not win the nomination and that person is now a firm supporter of Trump.

I get really tired of people bragging about how great they are and how they stand by their principles while they ignore the current reality.  And especially how they imply that the rest of us are selling out our morals and our souls by supporting Trump.  It stinks.

Have they even looked at what the democrats have become.  They were always bad and they've become worse.

We now have a decent President who is doing good things and the little crybabies don't like him because he is not classy enough for them.  I know he can be a bit of a jerk, but he is our jerk.

Deal with it, corbe.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 11, 2018, 10:36:57 PM
I'm sorry @musiclady but you may be glad Hillary lost but you are here bragging about contributing to her almost winning.  And, if she had won, it will be purists like you who punish the rest of us by voting for some pie in the sky third party.

You remind me of this idiot guy I saw in Sears right after Clinton won.  He was wearing a t-shirt that said 'Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot.'  I wanted to slap him.  He and his ilk were totally to blame.

I totally agree. Those who think they "helped" the country, by voting a loser Third candidate, just might as well have NOT VOTED at all. Same as throwing away your vote. It makes them "feel good", but scr3w the country.  No one is that smart or important. One votes, for the person who can best do the job. TRUMP did that & proven out. PROMISES MADE, PROMISES KEPT. It does not get better than that.  That some, still think, "perfection" is out there are just delusional. No one is perfect, including me. I get it, I wish others did.  We did not vote in a priest, pastor, Rabbi. Heck, even priests & pope may not be good enough! 

I just don't get their thinking.  IT IS ABOUT COUNTRY, as a whole, not each persons personal preference. President TRUMP is not as bad as most presidents, we've had in office.  Kennedy's, Clintons, Obama.


Now, some want Mother Theresa?   Not one person posting on here could pass any deep scrutiny into their past, yet they want to do that to President TRUMP.  I am totally happy with what president TRUMP is doing for our country. That is what he needs to be judged on. With which to be judged.  All the people with logs in their own eyes, want to point the finger, at others. It boggles the mind.  They have bought into DEEP STATE propaganda, & can't let go.  DEEP STATE PUTTING OUT BRAINWASHING MATERIAL SINCE MAY 2015..& some bought it.  Still believe it. Dig in their heels, because of course, they are important, not the country.  Sorry my caps stick, & I want to get out my words quickly as I am a very bad typist.  I don't want to lose my train of thought.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 11, 2018, 10:39:06 PM
    I get that you are a firm supporter of President Trump @Emjay  as are Many Briefers, some articulate their values/principals better than others just as some NT'ers make some sense to you but obviously some don't.   
    I'm Ok with that, it makes TBR a thinking place and not an Echo Chamber.

    * I had this long drawn out diatribe about how you never, ever let me DEAL anyway but I'll save it for tomorrow, when we meet again.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 11, 2018, 10:43:20 PM
   Keep it up @LegalAmerican and I will vote for hellary in 2020, just to pizz you off cause my vote don't matter in Texas, anyway. 

   PS:  Your boy's going down!   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 11, 2018, 10:46:38 PM
    I get that you are a firm supporter of President Trump @Emjay  as are Many Briefers, some articulate their values/principals better than others just as some NT'ers make some sense to you but obviously some don't.   
    I'm Ok with that, it makes TBR a thinking place and not an Echo Chamber.

    * I had this long drawn out diatribe about how you never, ever let me DEAL anyway but I'll save it for tomorrow, when we meet again.

I still love you @corbe and dream of the day when you will come to your senses.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 11, 2018, 10:46:48 PM
Earth to @corbe   Trump has not hijacked the GOP.  But he did win the GOP nomination and then the Presidency and he has been a pleasant surprise to a lot of people who wanted someone else.

I wanted someone else but that person did not win the nomination and that person is now a firm supporter of Trump.

I get really tired of people bragging about how great they are and how they stand by their principles while they ignore the current reality.  And especially how they imply that the rest of us are selling out our morals and our souls by supporting Trump.  It stinks.

Have they even looked at what the democrats have become.  They were always bad and they've become worse.

We now have a decent President who is doing good things and the little crybabies don't like him because he is not classy enough for them.  I know he can be a bit of a jerk, but he is our jerk.

Deal with it, corbe.



lol. I don't think TRUMP is a jerk. I as woman, have no issue with him. He is a truth teller, blunt & not P.C.  That is how I post.   No time for P.C. America dying from being P.C.ed to actual death. It is a form of brainwashing.  Oh, I forget, I think you are a woman too?  The guys on here have half naked pictures of young women, & the woman use a male, as their  Avatar.  Those men with pictures of young, half naked women, better not "blast" Trump for being a HETERO himself.
Trump is never a jerk, but left, lying media does portray him that way.  I love his rally speeches.  BACK TO TRUTH & REALITY.  GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP!  :amen: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 11, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
     I would rather waste away this Fall in a Methadone clinic than date a legal American.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 11, 2018, 10:50:21 PM


lol. I don't think TRUMP is a jerk. I as woman, have no issue with him. He is a truth teller, blunt & not P.C.  That is how I post.   No time for P.C. America dying from being P.C.ed to actual death. It is a form of brainwashing.  Oh, I forget, I think you are a woman too?  The guys on here have half naked pictures of young women, & the woman use a male, as their  Avatar.  Those men with pictures of young, half naked women, better not "blast" Trump for being a HETERO himself.
Trump is never a jerk, but left, lying media does portray him that way.  I love his rally speeches.  BACK TO TRUTH & REALITY.  GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP!  :amen: :patriot: :patriot:

You found a kindred spirit in Trump and share his morals...

That's been clear for some time...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 11:01:54 PM
I'm sorry @musiclady but you may be glad Hillary lost but you are here bragging about contributing to her almost winning.  And, if she had won, it will be purists like you who punish the rest of us by voting for some pie in the sky third party.

You remind me of this idiot guy I saw in Sears right after Clinton won.  He was wearing a t-shirt that said 'Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot.'  I wanted to slap him.  He and his ilk were totally to blame.

Keep circling the drain... they'll tell you it's the only way out.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 11, 2018, 11:05:32 PM
He may be YOUR jerk, but he most definitely is not MY jerk, anymore than I claimed Obama as MY president.

Obama was an illegal POTUS.  Trump is not.  Trump was Constitutionally elected--in fact, elected against all odds (e.g., in spite of massive cheating by Obama and HRC).  Some would even say that Trump's defeat of HRC was miraculous.  (I would qualify such a statement by saying that Trump's victory was merely a matter of an impressive Providence--but even that perspective gives credit to the God Who works in mysterious ways.) 

Anyway, the fact that Obama was an illegal POTUS, whereas Trump is not, is an important distinction.  I would suggest that we cannot disavow any of our more basic responsibilities of social allegiance to the President under the Constitution just because we are inclined to regard the man who occupies the Office as something of a scoundrel.  (For the sake of our discussion, I will cheerfully adopt your position that he is a scoundrel.  [I just happen to prefer the word "jerk."]

At the bottom line, loyalty to the Constitution is the lynchpin of the entire matter.   Our loyalty to the Constitution is why we can and should criticize Trump when he oversteps his executive authority, but it is also why we ought to support him when Constitution-haters seek to frame him in order to depose him or even see him murdered.  The Dems (and probably several RINOs) want to impeach him even though they can find no evidence whatsoever of high crimes or misdemeanors.  Why are they raping the Constitution in this way?  It is because  they believe Trump is liable to hang them for THEIR sedition and treason if he survives in office for much longer.

Let's wait and see if I am right.  If I am right, Trump will address practically all of the governmental corruption that you have decried in practically every thread on which you have angrily posted.

***
 
In the next place, you took issue with my declaration that some of our best Presidents have been reprobates.  You said:

Quote
We will have to disagree on that one.

Now, I'm afraid I have you in a box, my friend INVAR.  Thomas Jefferson was inarguably one of our best Presidents--and he was inarguably a reprobate.  'Nuff said, I think. 

Quote
"A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit." - Matthew 7:18

We have to parse the meaning of good.  In the real world, there are different kinds of good.  There are political trees that bear good political fruit even if some of the personifications of such trees are reprobates.  That is how a secular society works even when it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.  Jefferson was honorable (good) in that he was supremely patriotic.  (Quite a few of our Founders loathed Jefferson, but Jefferson's unflagging patriotism won out in the end.  He was committed to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Therein consisted his honor.)  I submit that our currently crass, tactically shifty President has a role for which he may very will be honored as a supreme patriot, if nothing else, a determined man who was utterly sincere when he swore to uphold the Constitution.  Under the circumstances of the mess that we are in as a secular society, Trump may be the best political tree we have had growing in the White House for quite some time--for the simple reason that he is patriotic enough, egotistical enough, (and Scottish enough) to attack America's Deep State enemies with the intention of utterly destroying them.

Remember:  Trump was recruited in 2015 by America's military--who were sworn to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  Trump happens to be a bull in a china shop.  (He breaks things and blows things up, as Rush would say about the military.)  Furthermore, Trump is not always conspicuously honest, not always wise, but he is on our side.  He loves America.  And I believe that he is in the War against the Deep State to win it for our beloved America--for our lives, our liberties, and our individualistic pursuits of happiness.  (Whether Trump is a Christian or not--and he certainly wasn't when he inadvertently [stupidly] defamed Christianity at Liberty University--is beside the point.  I think I have seen some changes in Trump since God has started putting him through a humiliating wringer of ugly revelations, with political hyenas and harpies attacking him for his inarguably filthy past;  still, the question of his spiritual perfection [LOL] is beside the point.  He is a PRESBYTERIAN, even if not a CHRISTIAN.  Right now, a sturdy, angry Presbyterian may be just what we need.  [All but one of the colonels in the Colonial Army were Presbyterian elders.) 

***

Finally on the theological point that you yourself raised, let me point out that the Lord also said "A tree is known by its fruits."  You did not cite that verse, but it is important.  Christ is giving us a truism:  a tree is always pronounced to be good if its fruit is good.  A good fruit tree is a good tree by definition.  We need to keep that in mind while we are wondering about the equally important logic of cause and effect.  The good tree produces good fruit as a matter of cause-and-effect.  But we infer the goodness of the tree by its fruit--i.e., we reason BACKWARDS to determine whether the tree is good.

But now let's parse the idea of "good fruit."  In Trump's case, we may not see the "fruit of the Spirit [of genuine Christianity]," but we do not always need that in the greatest of measures in our Presidents.  What we should look for in President Trump is the long-lasting political fruit of restored values for our Body Politic of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  In all of his stumbling around, perhaps even while he is being sorely tempted to strain against Constitutional limits (such as those that Lincoln actually trampled underfoot in several ways), I believe his military and legal advisers will help him to destroy the Progressives, to destroy the real enemies of America, and to restore our social, economic, and religious freedoms.

Wait and see how many people Trump arrests and prosecutes in this War.  That, by definition, will be the good political fruit of a good political tree growing slowly but surely in the White House.         

Finally, your remark:
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"It was out of fear of the Communists that we supported Hitler" - Opa Neumüller"

That's inane.  Trump is no Hitler.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 11, 2018, 11:05:34 PM
I get really tired of people bragging about how great they are and how they stand by their principles while they ignore the current reality.  And especially how they imply that the rest of us are selling out our morals and our souls by supporting Trump.  It stinks.


Principles are truth.
Truth IS reality.
End_of_story.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 11, 2018, 11:17:52 PM


lol. I don't think TRUMP is a jerk. I as woman, have no issue with him. He is a truth teller, blunt & not P.C.  That is how I post.   No time for P.C. America dying from being P.C.ed to actual death. It is a form of brainwashing.  Oh, I forget, I think you are a woman too?  The guys on here have half naked pictures of young women, & the woman use a male, as their  Avatar.  Those men with pictures of young, half naked women, better not "blast" Trump for being a HETERO himself.
Trump is never a jerk, but left, lying media does portray him that way.  I love his rally speeches.  BACK TO TRUTH & REALITY.  GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP!  :amen: :patriot: :patriot:

 :thumbsup:

I think Donald Trump’s got a great personality. Even his manner of speaking is cool – very effective communicator. Honest and frank talk. Not like your weasely, feckless politician who typically talks out of both sides of his mouth and yet says nothing that would give away what he’s really thinking. Not so with Trump. You know exactly where he stands. What you see is what you get.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 11, 2018, 11:38:05 PM
:thumbsup:

I think Donald Trump’s got a great personality. Even his manner of speaking is cool – very effective communicator. Honest and frank talk. Not like your weasely, feckless politician who typically talks out of both sides of his mouth and yet says nothing that would give away what he’s really thinking. Not so with Trump. You know exactly where he stands. What you see is what you get.


Yes!  You understand.  :0001: People want those, lying, smooth talkers, they have gotten used to.  They have it backwards.
No wonder our country & constitution are in so much trouble.  They want the "same type" of smooth talkers that made a mess of America.  Now isn't that the definition of crazy?  Doing the same things, but wanting different results? 

I have so much respect, for this imperfect, normal, human being, who is working 100 hour weeks for NO PAY..making our country safe & prosperes again.  The people need to kiss the ground, he walks on. All the PETTY JUDGEMENTS....just like deep state wants them to do.  They are controlled by DEEP STATE & don't even see it.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 11, 2018, 11:46:24 PM
The people need to kiss the ground, he walks on. ~ @LegalAmerican

   (Can't hear this song without thinking of @Freya )

Lake Street Dive - Good Kisser [Live Performance]

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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 11, 2018, 11:47:33 PM
   We interrupt your regularly scheduled broadcast to bring you this important announcement..........

    TBR is a Conservative Board, first and foremost and the fact that we are debating the degrees of what constitutes Conservatism here is more proof that not only has Trump hijacked the GOP (his party and prerogative), BUT his loyal supporters are trying to redefine the very essence of an Ideology that will survive all of them.

    We bring you back to your regularly scheduled broadcast................

Thank you, sir.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 11, 2018, 11:51:18 PM
@Chosen Daughter   I would be completely fine with you and your compatriot taking your toys and going home. Go on and take that Noble Step. 

The only problem is that y'all will take more sensible people with you.  People who do not expect perfection but who are willing to support and live with the best possible choice.

I'm a self thinker.  Believe me I swam up hill in a church full of Trump supporters and survived.  Nobody takes me with them and I am not taking any with me.  Most people are able to think for themselves.  But I know you will need someone to blame when Trump is derailed.

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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 12:06:47 AM
Obama was an illegal POTUS.  Trump is not.  Trump was Constitutionally elected--in fact, elected against all odds (e.g., in spite of massive cheating by Obama and HRC).  Some would even say that Trump's defeat of HRC was miraculous.  (I would qualify such a statement by saying that Trump's victory was merely a matter of an impressive Providence--but even that perspective gives credit to the God Who works in mysterious ways.) 

Anyway, the fact that Obama was an illegal POTUS, whereas Trump is not, is an important distinction.  I would suggest that we cannot disavow any of our more basic responsibilities of social allegiance to the President under the Constitution just because we are inclined to regard the man who occupies the Office as something of a scoundrel.  (For the sake of our discussion, I will cheerfully adopt your position that he is a scoundrel.  [I just happen to prefer the word "jerk."]

At the bottom line, loyalty to the Constitution is the lynchpin of the entire matter.   Our loyalty to the Constitution is why we can and should criticize Trump when he oversteps his executive authority, but it is also why we ought to support him when Constitution-haters seek to frame him in order to depose him or even see him murdered.  The Dems (and probably several RINOs) want to impeach him even though they can find no evidence whatsoever of high crimes or misdemeanors.  Why are they raping the Constitution in this way?  It is because  they believe Trump is liable to hang them for THEIR sedition and treason if he survives in office for much longer.

Let's wait and see if I am right.  If I am right, Trump will address practically all of the governmental corruption that you have decried in practically every thread on which you have angrily posted.

***
 
In the next place, you took issue with my declaration that some of our best Presidents have been reprobates.  You said:

Now, I'm afraid I have you in a box, my friend INVAR.  Thomas Jefferson was inarguably one of our best Presidents--and he was inarguably a reprobate.  'Nuff said, I think. 

We have to parse the meaning of good.  In the real world, there are different kinds of good.  There are political trees that bear good political fruit even if some of the personifications of such trees are reprobates.  That is how a secular society works even when it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.  Jefferson was honorable (good) in that he was supremely patriotic.  (Quite a few of our Founders loathed Jefferson, but Jefferson's unflagging patriotism won out in the end.  He was committed to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Therein consisted his honor.)  I submit that our currently crass, tactically shifty President has a role for which he may very will be honored as a supreme patriot, if nothing else, a determined man who was utterly sincere when he swore to uphold the Constitution.  Under the circumstances of the mess that we are in as a secular society, Trump may be the best political tree we have had growing in the White House for quite some time--for the simple reason that he is patriotic enough, egotistical enough, (and Scottish enough) to attack America's Deep State enemies with the intention of utterly destroying them.

Remember:  Trump was recruited in 2015 by America's military--who were sworn to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  Trump happens to be a bull in a china shop.  (He breaks things and blows things up, as Rush would say about the military.)  Furthermore, Trump is not always conspicuously honest, not always wise, but he is on our side.  He loves America.  And I believe that he is in the War against the Deep State to win it for our beloved America--for our lives, our liberties, and our individualistic pursuits of happiness.  (Whether Trump is a Christian or not--and he certainly wasn't when he inadvertently [stupidly] defamed Christianity at Liberty University--is beside the point.  I think I have seen some changes in Trump since God has started putting him through a humiliating wringer of ugly revelations, with political hyenas and harpies attacking him for his inarguably filthy past;  still, the question of his spiritual perfection [LOL] is beside the point.  He is a PRESBYTERIAN, even if not a CHRISTIAN.  Right now, a sturdy, angry Presbyterian may be just what we need.  [All but one of the colonels in the Colonial Army were Presbyterian elders.) 

***

Finally on the theological point that you yourself raised, let me point out that the Lord also said "A tree is known by its fruits."  You did not cite that verse, but it is important.  Christ is giving us a truism:  a tree is always pronounced to be good if its fruit is good.  A good fruit tree is a good tree by definition.  We need to keep that in mind while we are wondering about the equally important logic of cause and effect.  The good tree produces good fruit as a matter of cause-and-effect.  But we infer the goodness of the tree by its fruit--i.e., we reason BACKWARDS to determine whether the tree is good.

But now let's parse the idea of "good fruit."  In Trump's case, we may not see the "fruit of the Spirit [of genuine Christianity]," but we do not always need that in the greatest of measures in our Presidents.  What we should look for in President Trump is the long-lasting political fruit of restored values for our Body Politic of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  In all of his stumbling around, perhaps even while he is being sorely tempted to strain against Constitutional limits (such as those that Lincoln actually trampled underfoot in several ways), I believe his military and legal advisers will help him to destroy the Progressives, to destroy the real enemies of America, and to restore our social, economic, and religious freedoms.

Wait and see how many people Trump arrests and prosecutes in this War.  That, by definition, will be the good political fruit of a good political tree growing slowly but surely in the White House.         

Finally, your remark:
That's inane.  Trump is no Hitler.

Whoa, @the_doc ,

Nothing miraculous about it.  It was people who believed, and still do all of the rhetoric.  Trump was right he was creating a workers party.  They didn't care if it was going to take a 75% tax reduction for wealthy companies to stay here.  They only knew they wanted jobs and they didn't want the illegal immigrants taking them.  And then top the ice cream with "lock her up"  Whalah, Art of the deal.

He came in just at the right time when people were fed up with politicians.  He claimed he wasn't, but he is.  He was very versed in politics.  And he had the contributions to prove it.  Then you make some promises to the church......... 

I don't buy any miraculous blah, blah prophesy, blah blah.  If God chose Trump did he choose Obama too?  No, God allows us to make choices.  Trump threw some chum out there to attract and people took the bait.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 12:18:06 AM
Anyway, the fact that Obama was an illegal POTUS, whereas Trump is not, is an important distinction. 

Irrelevant whether or not he was 'legal".  All the branches of government that were charged with upholding the rule of law refused to do anything about it. 

Precedent set.  Permanently.

I would suggest that we cannot disavow any of our more basic responsibilities of social allegiance to the President under the Constitution just because we are inclined to regard the man who occupies the Office as something of a scoundrel.

I have ZERO responsibility to any allegiance to a President or any person in office.  My allegiance is to God first and foremost - family and the Constitution - in that order.

My ONLY responsibility is to pray for our leaders for the sole purpose of being able to live peaceably in my faith to be able to do my Father's business.  I have no allegiance whatsoever to a man in office, or any man of any kind for that reason.

Our loyalty to the Constitution is why we can and should criticize Trump when he oversteps his executive authority, but it is also why we ought to support him when Constitution-haters seek to frame him in order to depose him or even see him murdered. 

First of all, Trump and his supporters made it crystal clear that not only did they not need nor want Conservative support - but that they would be able to do everything without us.  Why somebody they all said could do miracles by the power of his breath and thumbs would need help from Irrelevants like us - still baffles.

Secondly - Trump only deserves support when he is upholding the Constitution and promoting the things necessary for liberty to endure.  Enacting tariffs by executive order and having them enforced outside of Congressional review and approval IS unConstitutional.  But - we are in a post-Constitutional democracy, so the precedent of ignoring the Constitution for Executive expedience has already been set as policy by both political parties and the Judiciary.  That in no wise means I therefore must suspend my own principles to cheerlead a defacto-monarch in office.

The Dems (and probably several RINOs) want to impeach him even though they can find no evidence whatsoever of high crimes or misdemeanors.  Why are they raping the Constitution in this way?

We watched them rape it every single day for 8 years with kabuki theater placating the outraged and the full funding and support of the Republican party.  That they want to have a political lynching because the Ruling Class thinks they are the ones who choose our rulers is part and parcel of the Frankenstein monster they themselves have created.

It is because  they believe Trump is liable to hang them for THEIR sedition and treason if he survives in office for much longer.

Doubtful.  I think they want to see if they can get away with it, with destroying anyone who threatens their solitary rule.  I still hold Trump was a Stalking Horse for Hillary who decided NOT to fall down and stay down on the mat in the 9th round.  I think everything we have seen is the result of the Mob trying to find a way to fix the rat who was supposed to take a fall and refused because his ego was bigger than even they understood.  That's what I think is the reason why they are so intent on crucifying him.  They thought their fix was in.  Trump was their failsafe  and he decided not to go down.

Let's wait and see if I am right.  If I am right, Trump will address practically all of the governmental corruption that you have decried in practically every thread on which you have angrily posted.

We indeed shall see, but I for one have absolutely zero belief that anything beyond words and bitching are going to come of any of it outside of a few fall guys who will be bidden to fall on swords to keep the nobles safe.

Thomas Jefferson was inarguably one of our best Presidents--and he was inarguably a reprobate. 

Not by today's standards - and certainly not by Trump's.


We have to parse the meaning of good.  In the real world, there are different kinds of good.

No we don't.  I was quoting Scripture.  I don't care what different degrees of 'good' the world wants to say there are.  I only care what God says about it. 

I submit that our currently crass, tactically shifty President has a role for which he may very will be honored as a supreme patriot, if nothing else, a determined man who was utterly sincere when he swore to uphold the Constitution. 

Already proven a broken oath, despite the fact no one in his party or Congress will require him to abide by it. 

Under the circumstances of the mess that we are in as a secular society, Trump may be the best political tree we have had growing in the White House for quite some time--for the simple reason that he is patriotic enough, egotistical enough, (and Scottish enough) to attack America's Deep State enemies with the intention of utterly destroying them.

I think he only attacks them for disloyalty and for daring to attack him.  He is a petulant thin-skinned bully in that regard.  I do not think his intent is to destroy them due to their defiance of the Constitution and the rule of law, but rather because they attacked him.

All they need to do is say nice things about him - and all the attention he draws to their corruption would go away tomorrow.

Remember:  Trump was recruited in 2015 by America's military-

That's a new one on me.  Dubious - but a new claim nonetheless.

Trump is not always conspicuously honest, not always wise, but he is on our side.  He loves America. 

I continue to marvel at the level of trust people place in someone who is a provable, self-serving congenital liar.  I think people, like the mobs did for Obama - place all their hopes and beliefs about what they desperately want to believe Trump is and what he will do onto a make-believe mantle they think Trump wears.  He may "love America" - but his "love" may be as self-serving as your typical Union Boss.

But now let's parse the idea of "good fruit." 

No, let's not.  The fruits of the spirit are plainly listed in Galatians 5.  Trump has no fruits to show for any of those qualities in his public persona.

What we should look for in President Trump is the long-lasting political fruit...

Political fruit is the most fragile and temporary there is on planet earth.  There is no such thing.  Only first principles founded in fundamentals are long-lasting, politics based on those principles may endure for a time so long as people are willing to uphold principles - and as we see daily - those first principles are eschewed, discarded and held in contempt by Republicans as well as your Leftists.

Finally, your remark: "It was out of fear of the Communists that we supported Hitler" - Opa Neumüller"
That's inane.  Trump is no Hitler.

You missed the entire point of the quotation.  Basing support of a politician out of fear of the Left is a demonstrable stupidity.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 12:21:17 AM
The people need to kiss the ground, he walks on.

Only slaves of despots and wannabe tyrants of tyrannical regimes even allow such a thought to cross their minds.   

Thanks for demonstrating yours.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Hoodat on September 12, 2018, 12:44:38 AM
The people need to kiss the ground, he walks on.

I'd rather be this guy.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RBCauQYvW50/Vo0roGOTecI/AAAAAAAAcds/3U9Nxd8Ol70/s1600/Nazi%2B-%2Bbe%2Bthis%2Bguy.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 12:47:32 AM
I'm a self thinker.  Believe me I swam up hill in a church full of Trump supporters and survived.  Nobody takes me with them and I am not taking any with me.  Most people are able to think for themselves.  But I know you will need someone to blame when Trump is derailed.

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Please @Chosen Daughter   Do not flatter yourself.  I promise you I will not blame you if Trump is derailed.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 12:51:49 AM
Please @Chosen Daughter   Do not flatter yourself.  I promise you I will not blame you if Trump is derailed.

The ones the follow me?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 12, 2018, 08:44:42 AM
Principles are truth.
Truth IS reality.
End_of_story.

@roamer_1

You need a new gooroo,bubba. Principles shift according to many,many things,and is dependent on reality. Unless maybe you are willing to state you would rather see your child starve to death than steal food to feed the child.

The REALITY is that principles shift and that shift is dependent on the realities you happen to be living in at the time.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 12, 2018, 08:46:18 AM
Thank you, sir.

@Hoodat

Get over yourself. Nobody died and made you Gawd.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 12, 2018, 08:49:40 AM

I'm a self thinker.

@Chosen Daughter

No,you are NOT. You are a follower who allows your social group to define every aspect of your thinking and life. You can not be a devoutly religious follower of ANY faith and be an independent thinker. You can be one or the other,but not both.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 08:51:36 AM
@roamer_1

You need a new gooroo,bubba. Principles shift according to many,many things,and is dependent on reality. Unless maybe you are willing to state you would rather see your child starve to death than steal food to feed the child.

The REALITY is that principles shift and that shift is dependent on the realities you happen to be living in at the time.

I agree generally with your point, but I think the phrasing isn't quite correct.

Principles themselves don't/shouldn't shift.  But how we weigh competing moral principles may vary greatly depending upon the particular situation.  For example, "telling the truth" may be a principle, but there obviously are times when lying is the more moral course because of other principles that may be implicated.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 12, 2018, 08:55:23 AM
I agree generally with your point, but I think the phrasing isn't quite correct.

Principles themselves don't/shouldn't shift.  But how we weigh competing moral principles may vary greatly depending upon the particular situation.  For example, "telling the truth" may be a principle, but there obviously are times when lying is the more moral course because of other principles that may be implicated.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Ok,I can go along with that.

Pragmatism ALWAYS prevails over principle unless you are a fool with no interest in survival.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 12, 2018, 09:05:27 AM
Interpersonal relationships require we adhere to timeless principles of morality, honesty, kindness, forgiveness.

(Politics excepted and not covered under warranty.)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 12, 2018, 09:53:16 AM
Always a 'but' @Jazzhead   Good things are happening 'but'

But you don't like Trump's personality.  You admit to growing prosperity but Trump is a jerk.

You may admit to the probability of Trump improving the Supreme Court in a dramatic way, but Trump is a jerk.

You may admit to Trump actually putting America first in trade and in protecting our country from being overwhelmed by illegal alients ... but Trump is a jerk.

Now I'm wondering who the real jerk is in this scenario.

Okay, fine,  @Emjay , so I'm a jerk.   But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats.   Trump's does.   

What you object to is constructive criticism of the President.   He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition.    But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments.    He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave.  Yes,  he's being goaded on a daily basis.  But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.

You can dismiss what I have to say with a flip insult.   So would, no doubt, President Trump.   But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later.  I'd prefer the former, since our prosperity is riding on it.  Constructive criticism should be heeded, not flipped off.  We are not his enemies. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 10:19:09 AM
@Jazzhead @Emjay

Okay, fine,  @Emjay , so I'm a jerk.   But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats.   Trump's does.   

What you object to is constructive criticism of the President.   He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition.    But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments.    He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave.  Yes,  he's being goaded on a daily basis.  But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.

Well, this is interesting because I think it highlights the critical point that separates so many people.  I bolded the language I think hits the key issue.

You're arguing that your criticism is "constructive" because Trump "needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy."  Presumably, that means you think your criticism -- as echoed by many, many others -- is going "to make him realize that he is his own worst enemy."

Seriously?

I think that's about as likely as the New England Patriots winning the World Series.  Anyone remotely familiar with Trump and his background knows that this is who he is.  He's a blowhard who gets in trouble because he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.  And he's thin-skinned, so the more he gets criticized publicly, the more likely his behavior is to get worse.  People throughout the media, in the GOP, and ordinary people like you have been blasting Trump literally for years trying to get him to stop doing that stuff.  How has that worked out?

John Kelly -- who trust me is a pretty persuasive, impressive guy in person -- communicates with Trump on a daily basis, and obviously would prefer that Trump not say things that get him in trouble.  Yet even he hasn't managed to stop those things despite being Trump's COS for more than a year.  And I bet Trump's own wife, daughter, and son-in-law all have done their best in private to restrain him.  How's that worked out for them?

Quote
But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later.

Based on what???  That is pure wishful thinking - literally.  The man is 72 years old, and is nothing if not consistent in his personality.  Where is there a shred of evidence to support this idea that he is "going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later?"  I would say that every shred of evidence actually suggests that the opposite is true.  The most rational conclusion -- and the only one supported by any facts -- is that he is not ever going to every wake up and change his ways, and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

No matter how well-meaning your intentions may be with this criticism you believe is "constructive", it just isn't.  He is who he is, and the cacophony of public criticism from critics who claim to support most of his substantive agenda isn't having the effect you desire.  It's not changing his behavior -- it is handing to the opponents of his policies more ammunition with which to oppose him on substance.  The left loves nothing more than to take something stupid he's said, build the narrative that he's a bad, evil guy, and then use that narrative to discredit his policy proposals, judicial nominations, etc., as well as anyone who supports those proposals.  And when GOP critics decide to pile on when he says stupid things, they are helping the left build that narrative.

I'm not saying that Republicans should give him false praise when he says something stupid.  I'm saying that the piling on based on the false belief that such criticism is "constructive", and will change his behavior for the better, is actually destructive of the substantive agenda so many of them claim to support.

tl;dr

We know he says stupid stuff.  Repeatedly focusing on it just plays into the hands of the left.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 10:24:00 AM
@Chosen Daughter

No,you are NOT. You are a follower who allows your social group to define every aspect of your thinking and life. You can not be a devoutly religious follower of ANY faith and be an independent thinker. You can be one or the other,but not both.

I am not a devout religious follower.  I am a believer in Jesus Christ Savior.  Religion is for people who believe they can change the Word of God with the Social behavior of the world.  Just like the Republican party believes they can conform to the social norms and shift to the left for the sake of votes.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 12, 2018, 10:26:22 AM
@Jazzhead

Well, this is interesting because I think it highlights the critical point that separates so many people.  I bolded the language I think hits the key issue.

You're arguing that your criticism is "constructive" because Trump "needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy."  Presumably, that means you think your criticism -- as echoed by many, many others -- is going "to make him realize that he is his own worst enemy."

Seriously?

I think that's about as likely as the New England Patriots winning the World Series.  Anyone remotely familiar with Trump and his background knows that this is who he is.  He's a blowhard who gets in trouble because he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.  And he's thin-skinned, so the more he gets criticized publicly, the more likely his behavior is to get worse.  People throughout the media, in the GOP, and ordinary people like you have been blasting Trump literally for years trying to get him to stop doing that stuff.  How has that worked out?

John Kelly -- who trust me is a pretty persuasive, impressive guy in person -- communicates with Trump on a daily basis, and obviously would prefer that Trump not say things that get him in trouble.  Yet even he hasn't managed to stop those things despite being Trump's COS for more than a year.  And I bet Trump's own wife, daughter, and son-in-law all have done their best in private to restrain him.  How's that worked out for them?

No matter how well-meaning your intentions may be with this criticism you believe is "constructive", it just isn't.  He is who he is, and the cacophony of public criticism from critics who claim to support most of his substantive agenda isn't having the effect you desire.  It's not changing his behavior -- it is handing to the opponents of his policies more ammunition with which to oppose him on substance.  The left loves nothing more than to take something stupid he's said, build the narrative that he's a bad, evil guy, and then use that narrative to discredit his policy proposals, judicial nominations, etc., as well as anyone who supports those proposals.  And when GOP critics decide to pile on when he says stupid things, they are helping the left build that narrative.

I'm not saying that Republicans should give him false praise when he says something stupid.  I'm saying that the piling on based on the false belief that such criticism is "constructive", and will change his behavior for the better, is actually destructive of the substantive agenda so many of them claim to support.

tl;dr

We know he says stupid stuff.  Repeatedly focusing on it just plays into the hands of the left.

Nice post. Everyone on all sides of this argument is sounding like the proverbial broken record.

Problems with his style aside, why not just start focusing on the practical results of having Trump as president, which I assume we're all pleased with, generally? Otherwise the dire warnings about him alienating this constituency or that one will become a self fulfilling prophesy and we'll get none of what we want.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Okay, fine,  @Emjay , so I'm a jerk.   But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats.   Trump's does.   

What you object to is constructive criticism of the President.   He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition.    But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments.    He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave.  Yes,  he's being goaded on a daily basis.  But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.

You can dismiss what I have to say with a flip insult.   So would, no doubt, President Trump.   But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later.  I'd prefer the former, since our prosperity is riding on it.  Constructive criticism should be heeded, not flipped off.  We are not his enemies.

Well happy day!  We have disagreed on much but this is truth.  Trump has done some good and some bad.  But he definitely is his own worst enemy in many ways.  From his hiring and faith in people who have no morals to his tweets.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 12, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
Nice post. Everyone on all sides of this argument is sounding like the proverbial broken record.

Problems with his style aside, why not just start focusing on the practical results of having Trump as president, which I assume we're all pleased with, generally? Otherwise the dire warnings about him alienating this constituency or that one will become a self fulfilling prophesy and we'll get none of what we want.

And I say it is exactly because Trump is the way he is that he has had so much success against a powerful and intransigent establishment: he is the proverbial bull in the china shop. And thank God for it.

None of the other 16 or seventeen courtly republican candidates for president could have achieved such accomplishments – none!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 10:43:52 AM
Nice post. Everyone on all sides of this argument is sounding like the proverbial broken record.

Problems with his style aside, why not just start focusing on the practical results of having Trump as president, which I assume we're all pleased with, generally? Otherwise the dire warnings about him alienating this constituency or that one will become a self fulfilling prophesy and we'll get none of what we want.

Exactly.  His personality and penchant for saying stupid, offensive things isn't going to change, and has been beaten to death not just here, but everywhere.  It is what it is, and the constant offering up of the latest example as if it is something of note is just...boring.  It's not new, so the discussions surrounding the most recent example are just rehashing the exact same arguments that have been going on for more than three years. 

We know what he is.  The more important question moving forward is what he does when acting in his official capacity as Chief Executive.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
Okay, fine,  @Emjay , so I'm a jerk.   But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats.   Trump's does.   

What you object to is constructive criticism of the President.   He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition.    But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments.    He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave.  Yes,  he's being goaded on a daily basis.  But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.

You can dismiss what I have to say with a flip insult.   So would, no doubt, President Trump.   But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later.  I'd prefer the former, since our prosperity is riding on it.  Constructive criticism should be heeded, not flipped off.  We are not his enemies.

I do not dismiss what you have to say.  BUT.  But you do dismiss Trump's accomplishments with a but and it's always related to his personality.

Trump will not change.  He was this way during the primaries.  He is 70 years old.  Do not expect him to change.  I don't.

So, we have to change if we want his presidency to be successful  And it is to our benefit that it be successful. 

I'm assuming you are offended by his tweets because I cannot think of any other public behavior that's been rude or ugly.

A lot of his supporters think his tweets are good and an excellent way of responding to false news.  I would prefer he didn't tweet but I may very well be wrong about that.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 12, 2018, 11:45:38 AM
No matter how well-meaning your intentions may be with this criticism you believe is "constructive", it just isn't.  He is who he is, and the cacophony of public criticism from critics who claim to support most of his substantive agenda isn't having the effect you desire.  It's not changing his behavior -- it is handing to the opponents of his policies more ammunition with which to oppose him on substance.  The left loves nothing more than to take something stupid he's said, build the narrative that he's a bad, evil guy, and then use that narrative to discredit his policy proposals, judicial nominations, etc., as well as anyone who supports those proposals.  And when GOP critics decide to pile on when he says stupid things, they are helping the left build that narrative.

I'm not saying that Republicans should give him false praise when he says something stupid.  I'm saying that the piling on based on the false belief that such criticism is "constructive", and will change his behavior for the better, is actually destructive of the substantive agenda so many of them claim to support.

We know he says stupid stuff.  Repeatedly focusing on it just plays into the hands of the left.

Of course he can change, @Maj. Bill Martin    You're the one who appears to assume he's unable to grow, unable to adjust to his responsibilities as Chief Executive and Head of State  in a way that doesn't piss off more than half the electorate and diminish our reputation on the world stage.   Yes, he comes from a business environment where he's used to getting his way through brinksmanship, bombast and abuse.    But to suggest he cannot or will not adapt is giving him far less credit than I do.    Of course he can change.  He's not an idiot.   

He can accomplish his policy objectives without coming on like a mafia don,  without taking every last criticism as license to strike back by lowering himself to the level of his critics.   The stark reality is that UNLESS he changes, his policy objectives will be gone with the political winds.   He won because he was lucky - the Dems nominated a true turkey to run against him.   He nevertheless caught lightening in a bottle by applying his tax cut and de-regulatory impulses to an economy that was beginning to crest.   He's gotten so lucky that the boom has continued notwithstanding his anti-growth policies toward immigration, and his unorthodox approach to trade.      And by all lights he deserves to be rewarded for his success,  but it is becoming more and more likely that it will all come crashing down instead - because Trump can't think strategically beyond his own self-interest.   

You're suggesting I shut up for the good of the team.   I understand the impulse, but we are still two months away from the voting and there is still time to head off disaster.   I hope and pray.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 11:58:08 AM
@Jazzhead @Emjay

Well, this is interesting because I think it highlights the critical point that separates so many people.  I bolded the language I think hits the key issue.

You're arguing that your criticism is "constructive" because Trump "needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy."  Presumably, that means you think your criticism -- as echoed by many, many others -- is going "to make him realize that he is his own worst enemy."

Seriously?

I think that's about as likely as the New England Patriots winning the World Series.  Anyone remotely familiar with Trump and his background knows that this is who he is.  He's a blowhard who gets in trouble because he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.  And he's thin-skinned, so the more he gets criticized publicly, the more likely his behavior is to get worse.  People throughout the media, in the GOP, and ordinary people like you have been blasting Trump literally for years trying to get him to stop doing that stuff.  How has that worked out?

John Kelly -- who trust me is a pretty persuasive, impressive guy in person -- communicates with Trump on a daily basis, and obviously would prefer that Trump not say things that get him in trouble.  Yet even he hasn't managed to stop those things despite being Trump's COS for more than a year.  And I bet Trump's own wife, daughter, and son-in-law all have done their best in private to restrain him.  How's that worked out for them?

Based on what???  That is pure wishful thinking - literally.  The man is 72 years old, and is nothing if not consistent in his personality.  Where is there a shred of evidence to support this idea that he is "going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later?"  I would say that every shred of evidence actually suggests that the opposite is true.  The most rational conclusion -- and the only one supported by any facts -- is that he is not ever going to every wake up and change his ways, and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

No matter how well-meaning your intentions may be with this criticism you believe is "constructive", it just isn't.  He is who he is, and the cacophony of public criticism from critics who claim to support most of his substantive agenda isn't having the effect you desire.  It's not changing his behavior -- it is handing to the opponents of his policies more ammunition with which to oppose him on substance.  The left loves nothing more than to take something stupid he's said, build the narrative that he's a bad, evil guy, and then use that narrative to discredit his policy proposals, judicial nominations, etc., as well as anyone who supports those proposals.  And when GOP critics decide to pile on when he says stupid things, they are helping the left build that narrative.

I'm not saying that Republicans should give him false praise when he says something stupid.  I'm saying that the piling on based on the false belief that such criticism is "constructive", and will change his behavior for the better, is actually destructive of the substantive agenda so many of them claim to support.

tl;dr

We know he says stupid stuff.  Repeatedly focusing on it just plays into the hands of the left.

It's not even 6 AM here but when I saw my e-mail, I clicked on @Jazzhead post to me and responded.

I wish now I'd taken the time to scroll back and read your post because you said it so much better than I did.

Thanks.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 12:04:25 PM
And I say it is exactly because Trump is the way he is that he has had so much success against a powerful and intransigent establishment: he is the proverbial bull in the china shop. And thank God for it.

None of the other 16 or seventeen courtly republican candidates for president could have achieved such accomplishments – none!

In spite of my earlier misgivings about Trump @aligncare ... misgivings I had when he was a candidate ... I've come to think that your feelings about Trump's personality being a plus in the current climate have more than a grain of truth about them.

What @Jazzhead @Chosen Daughter  and a few others should remember is that what they consider Trump's crude behavior is not hurting them and it's not hurting the country.

The people who are really hurt to the bone are the people I want to hurt ... the liberals and the democrats and the Hollywood types and the media.

Just remember before you cringe ... Trump is hurting them more.

Need I remind us ... the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 12:07:50 PM
Of course he can change, @Maj. Bill Martin    You're the one who appears to assume he's unable to grow, unable to adjust to his responsibilities as Chief Executive and Head of State  in a way that doesn't piss off more than half the electorate and diminish our reputation on the world stage.   Yes, he comes from a business environment where he's used to getting his way through brinksmanship, bombast and abuse.    But to suggest he cannot or will not adapt is giving him far less credit than I do.    Of course he can change.  He's not an idiot.   

He can accomplish his policy objectives without coming on like a mafia don,  without taking every last criticism as license to strike back by lowering himself to the level of his critics.   The stark reality is that UNLESS he changes, his policy objectives will be gone with the political winds.   He won because he was lucky - the Dems nominated a true turkey to run against him.   He nevertheless caught lightening in a bottle by applying his tax cut and de-regulatory impulses to an economy that was beginning to crest.   He's gotten so lucky that the boom has continued notwithstanding his anti-growth policies toward immigration, and his unorthodox approach to trade.      And by all lights he deserves to be rewarded for his success,  but it is becoming more and more likely that it will all come crashing down instead - because Trump can't think strategically beyond his own self-interest.   

You're suggesting I shut up for the good of the team.   I understand the impulse, but we are still two months away from the voting and there is still time to head off disaster.   I hope and pray.   

@Jazzhead   There is no evidence on any known planet that Trump can change or that he wants to change.  He will not. 

The question is, can Jazzhead change?  Can he put aside his revulsion at some of the things Trump says that offend him and give Trump the credit he's due?

Waiting, Jazzhead? 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 12, 2018, 12:09:22 PM
Okay, fine,  @Emjay , so I'm a jerk.   But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats.   Trump's does.   

What you object to is constructive criticism of the President.   He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition.    But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments.    He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave.  Yes,  he's being goaded on a daily basis.  But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.

You can dismiss what I have to say with a flip insult.   So would, no doubt, President Trump.   But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later.  I'd prefer the former, since our prosperity is riding on it.  Constructive criticism should be heeded, not flipped off.  We are not his enemies.

You are no jerk, that ship has sailed. It's ironic that some who have said the worst and foulest about Trump are correcting others on mild and well-thought-out criticisms. I think a lot of us question President Trump's demeanor. If we are not questioning another human being, I guess they must be perfect. Then, again, it could be someone who feels only their opinion is the correct one and has to lambast others.

Some of us see the unbridled nature of Trump as a positive, I think basically, that's it. He's no-holds barred but I'm not going to resort to insulting others over it because they have a different opinion than me.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 12:10:44 PM
Of course he can change, @Maj. Bill Martin

Where is the evidence that there is more than a negligible possibility of such a change?

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You're the one who appears to assume he's unable to grow, unable to adjust to his responsibilities as Chief Executive and Head of State  in a way that doesn't piss off more than half the electorate and diminish our reputation on the world stage.

My assumption is based on history, and demonstrable evidence.  He has been active politically for more than three years.  During that entire time, he has been bombarded repeatedly, and publicly, by critics such as yourself.  Members of Congress of his own party blasted him publicly in an effort to change him.  His senior staff has tried to change him.  His own family has tried to rein him in.  None of it has worked.  What is the basis for your belief that public criticism with lead him to change his conduct, when it has failed utterly to do so for years? 

Heck, you're not even claiming there's a "chance" he'll change.  You actually stated it as a certainty -- that "he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later".  So again...how do you know that?

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Yes, he comes from a business environment where he's used to getting his way through brinksmanship, bombast and abuse.    But to suggest he cannot or will not adapt is giving him far less credit than I do.    Of course he can change.  He's not an idiot.

Then why has he maintained that exact same approach ever since he started running for office?  You yourself have pointed out all the ways it has hurt him, and say "he's not an idiot."  Okay, then why hasn't he seen things the same way you have, and changed?  What is your explanation for that?

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You're suggesting I shut up for the good of the team.

No, I'm not.  I think if people feel they need to speak out to make clear their own moral position on his statements/conduct, that's up to them.  I'm not telling them to shut up. 

I am saying that if your reason for speaking out is a belief that "he will change sooner or later", and that continued public criticism of him will induce him to make those desired changes, that belief is nothing more than wishful thinking completely unsupported by any evidence.  And in fact, is contradicted by the repeated failure of that exact tactic ever since he started running for office.  I am also saying that if you generally support his agenda, that such criticism is not constructive, but rather destructive. In fact, the evidence is that he responds to public criticism in the exact opposite way than you hope -- he responds by lashing out with comments that are often worse than the original.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So as much as some question Trump's sanity, I have to question those who think that doing the same thing that has failed for three years straight is somehow going to succeed moving forward.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
Hate to say it but I love what I just posted to @Jazzhead even though I doubt that he loves it that much.

I just challenged him to stop begging for Trump to change and to change himself.

That just may help him realize how hard it is to change.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 12:23:42 PM
Principles shift according to many,many things,and is dependent on reality.
The REALITY is that principles shift and that shift is dependent on the realities you happen to be living in at the time.

That is exactly what the Liberal Left tells me when they explain why the Constitution needs to be "living" and fluid - to change with the times.

So why bother having one at all?

Let's just wing it and blame the consequences on someone else.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 12:27:04 PM
In spite of my earlier misgivings about Trump @aligncare ... misgivings I had when he was a candidate ... I've come to think that your feelings about Trump's personality being a plus in the current climate have more than a grain of truth about them.

What @Jazzhead @Chosen Daughter  and a few others should remember is that what they consider Trump's crude behavior is not hurting them and it's not hurting the country.

The people who are really hurt to the bone are the people I want to hurt ... the liberals and the democrats and the Hollywood types and the media.

Just remember before you cringe ... Trump is hurting them more.

Need I remind us ... the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I think there are aspects of Trump's personality that are indeed a positive.  Having a willingness to speak truths even when they offend is a very valuable trait for a leader to have.  Of course, part of Trump's problem is that he also offends people needlessly.

I think the reason Trump is so willing to counterpunch is that he doesn't use a filter.  That's a positive when it comes to justified responses, but a negative when it comes to unjustified responses.  But...he's not going to change.  He is who he is, and while I'd much rather that he refrain from the unjustified responses, that's just not who he is.  He's always shot from the hip, and he's not going to change at 72 years old.

Plus...the feedback he's gotten from that approach is hardly a consistent negative.  When he made the comment about Mexicans in the summer of 2015, pundits and politicians confidently predicted it would be the end of his campaign.  Instead, it gave him a boost.  When he came up with insulting nicknames and made insulting comments in the primaries, people again said he would lose as a result.   Instead, he won the nomination.  And when the pollsters and pundits were telling him the day before the election that he had no shot, and that Hillary would steamroll him, they turned out to be horribly wrong.  What some of his critics need to realize is this -- the results of the 2016 election convinced Trump that he has a better handle on what the American people really think than do all his critics.  If there was ever any chance that he was going to be convinced that his approach was the wrong one, that election eliminated it.

That's why I can't fathom the unsupported belief that he's going to change his approach just because the same critics keep saying the same things about him now.  Heck, if the GOP gets stomped in the midterms, Trump will point out that he's more popular than Congress, and that the reason the GOP lost Congress was because they didn't support him strongly enough.  And if the GOP holds on to Congress, he'll claim credit for that too.  More importantly, he'll absolutely believe either alternative when he says it.

Expecting this guy to change at this point is a fool's errand.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 12:33:03 PM
Hate to say it but I love what I just posted to @Jazzhead even though I doubt that he loves it that much.

I just challenged him to stop begging for Trump to change and to change himself.

That just may help him realize how hard it is to change.

That was a good point.

I'd imagine that just about all of us, at one point or another, have looked at our posting style and/or things we've said, and thought "boy, I really don't like that, and I'm going to try to change that moving forward."  Yet even if we actually reach that point of saying "I shouldn't have done that", it is still very hard to make such a change, and have it stick.  We tend to slip inexorably back to what we've always done.

Here, Trump hasn't even gotten to the point where he thinks he's wrong.  He thinks he succeeds because of his candid, shoot from the hip style, not in spite of it.   And to be fair, it got him to the Presidency of the United States.  He's now 72 years old, and...does anyone honestly think he's going to do that complete 180 now?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 12, 2018, 12:36:33 PM
@Jazzhead   There is no evidence on any known planet that Trump can change or that he wants to change.  He will not. 

The question is, can Jazzhead change?  Can he put aside his revulsion at some of the things Trump says that offend him and give Trump the credit he's due?

Waiting, Jazzhead?

I have given the President the credit he's due.   And I will vote the GOP ticket this November.   But you miss my point, @Emjay.    Trump is his own worst enemy.  All the good he, and the GOP Congress, have accomplished is in danger of being squandered because Trump insists - like the Dems - that this election be a referendum on him.    Sure, he has to motivate his base.  But that base is only a third of the electorate, at best, and  GOP candidates are going to need the support of folks like me to keep Trump from being eaten alive by fire ants come next year.   

People like me have a legitimate beef with the erratic personality and autocratic inclinations of this President.   I have no interest whatsoever in supporting Trump the man, only in ensuring that the policies he and the GOP have championed continue, and that the country doesn't descend further into political chaos.   I have consistently said that Trump deserves the chance to govern,  to establish his priorities,  and to grow into the office he woke up as surprised as anyone that he had achieved.  He is the barking dog who caught the car, and I have wished him well and Godspeed - for the good of the nation.   But it is the good of the nation that compels me to add my voice to those urging Trump - against all odds and before it's too late - to ACT LIKE A PRESIDENT.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 12:37:33 PM
That was a good point.

I'd imagine that just about all of us, at one point or another, have looked at our posting style and/or things we've said, and thought "boy, I really don't like that, and I'm going to try to change that moving forward."  Yet even if we actually reach that point of saying "I shouldn't have done that", it is still very hard to make such a change, and have it stick.  We tend to slip inexorably back to what we've always done.

Here, Trump hasn't even gotten to the point where he thinks he's wrong.  He thinks he succeeds because of his candid, shoot from the hip style, not in spite of it.   And to be fair, it got him to the Presidency of the United States.  He's now 72 years old, and...does anyone honestly think he's going to do that complete 180 now?

Yep!  I'm not suggesting that @Jazzhead  and others with similar viewpoints start to like Trump's style.  That would require a more serious change than I would expect for anyone who wasn't struck blind on the road to Damascus.

But,  It's like in a family ... are you gonna let Aunt Betty ruin Thanksgiving because she always makes annoying comments.  Or, are you gonna say, 'oh, that's just Aunt Betty, she's annoying but she's a good person.'
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 12, 2018, 12:45:36 PM

Here, Trump hasn't even gotten to the point where he thinks he's wrong.  He thinks he succeeds because of his candid, shoot from the hip style, not in spite of it.   And to be fair, it got him to the Presidency of the United States.  He's now 72 years old, and...does anyone honestly think he's going to do that complete 180 now?

The man's not an idiot.  Of course he can change.   He's reinvented himself many times through the years.  He began as a real estate developer and morphed into an impresario of branding.   On politics, he began as a pro-choice Democrat and morphed into a populist Republican who says what social conservatives want to hear.  (I'll say that, to his credit, his views on trade and tariffs,  however right or wrong they may be,  and his respect for the working class,  have been consistent through the years.)   

The time is now for him to consolidate his success, not squander it.  He may have been an accidental President, but the President is who he is.   It is time for him to begin acting like he respects the office,  and to address the concerns of folks like me.    He can do it. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 12, 2018, 12:52:26 PM

But,  It's like in a family ... are you gonna let Aunt Betty ruin Thanksgiving because she always makes annoying comments.  Or, are you gonna say, 'oh, that's just Aunt Betty, she's annoying but she's a good person.'

The way to survive Aunt Betty at Thanksgiving is to drink heavily.   That's because Aunt Betty's annoying comments stay at the dinner table, within the family. 

 What Trump's self-centered style is in danger of doing is throwing GOP control of Congress to the jackals.   That hurts me and you,  because Dem policies are atrocious.  And it hurts the President, for it sets the stage for his political death by a thousand cuts.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 12, 2018, 12:57:43 PM

Plus...the feedback he's gotten from that approach is hardly a consistent negative.  When he made the comment about Mexicans in the summer of 2015, pundits and politicians confidently predicted it would be the end of his campaign.  Instead, it gave him a boost.  When he came up with insulting nicknames and made insulting comments in the primaries, people again said he would lose as a result.   Instead, he won the nomination.  And when the pollsters and pundits were telling him the day before the election that he had no shot, and that Hillary would steamroll him, they turned out to be horribly wrong.  What some of his critics need to realize is this -- the results of the 2016 election convinced Trump that he has a better handle on what the American people really think than do all his critics.  If there was ever any chance that he was going to be convinced that his approach was the wrong one, that election eliminated it.

That's why I can't fathom the unsupported belief that he's going to change his approach just because the same critics keep saying the same things about him now.  Heck, if the GOP gets stomped in the midterms, Trump will point out that he's more popular than Congress, and that the reason the GOP lost Congress was because they didn't support him strongly enough.  And if the GOP holds on to Congress, he'll claim credit for that too.  More importantly, he'll absolutely believe either alternative when he says it.

Expecting this guy to change at this point is a fool's errand.

A fool's errand that I willingly undertake,  because the stakes are far higher than Trump alone.   His base may react favorably to his name-calling and bullying,  but his margin of victory was secured by folks who viewed him as the lesser of two evils.   Now he wants this fall's elections to be a referendum on himself.   So do the Dems.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: TomSea on September 12, 2018, 01:01:41 PM
The numbers may be totally faulty but I saw this tweet:

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Ryan Struyk
‏Verified account @ryanstruyk
1h1 hour ago

Should the President be impeached and removed from office or not?
(via @CNN polling)

Trump, Sept 2018
47% impeach
48% don't impeach

Obama, Nov 2014
29% impeach
70% don't impeach

Bush, Aug 2006
30% impeach
69% don't impeach

Clinton, Sept 1998
29% impeach
67% don't impeach
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1039899538444754944

May be total bunk. Just posting.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 01:04:32 PM
A fool's errand that I willingly undertake,  because the stakes are far higher than Trump alone.   His base may react favorably to his name-calling and bullying,  but his margin of victory was secured by folks who viewed him as the lesser of two evils.   Now he wants this fall's elections to be a referendum on himself.   So do the Dems.

@Jazzhead   You've made it completely plain that you will not change, nor will you even try to change.

Yet you expect Trump to change?

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 12, 2018, 01:07:22 PM
A fool's errand that I willingly undertake,  because the stakes are far higher than Trump alone.   His base may react favorably to his name-calling and bullying,  but his margin of victory was secured by folks who viewed him as the lesser of two evils.   Now he wants this fall's elections to be a referendum on himself.   So do the Dems.

Rather than repeat his critics’ charges against him, some of which are patently unfair, why not talk up the good his administration has done? Then maybe we will win.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 01:20:08 PM
A fool's errand that I willingly undertake...

What tangible results do you expect to achieve by undertaking that fool's errand?

Do you agree or disagree with my prior statement that Democrats use criticism of Trump's personal style as a tool to sabotage his substantive agenda? 

If joining/encouraging the public criticism of Trump when he says something stupid actually has a tangible benefit to advancing a conservative agenda, then fine.  But if it does not, and such criticism actually strengthens Democrat efforts to stop his agenda, then many see such public criticisms as playing right into the hands of the Democrats.

I think that's the fault line where many conservatives/Republicans splinter on public criticism of Trump.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 01:23:58 PM
@roamer_1

You need a new gooroo,bubba. Principles shift according to many,many things,and is dependent on reality. Unless maybe you are willing to state you would rather see your child starve to death than steal food to feed the child.

The REALITY is that principles shift and that shift is dependent on the realities you happen to be living in at the time.

NO, principles do NOT change.

prin·ci·ple
ˈprinsəpəl/
noun: principle; plural noun: principles
    1.
    a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.

FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH. That means foundational. That means bedrock. Truth that is always true, and self-evidently true. That does not move. If you think it does, @sneakypete , then it is you that needs a new guru, not me.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 01:26:16 PM
I agree generally with your point, but I think the phrasing isn't quite correct.

Principles themselves don't/shouldn't shift.  But how we weigh competing moral principles may vary greatly depending upon the particular situation.  For example, "telling the truth" may be a principle, but there obviously are times when lying is the more moral course because of other principles that may be implicated.

Bullshit.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 01:27:46 PM
@Maj. Bill Martin

Ok,I can go along with that.

Pragmatism ALWAYS prevails over principle unless you are a fool with no interest in survival.

Where I come from, pragmatism gets you dead.
'pragmatism' is just an excuse for weakness.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 01:33:36 PM
@Chosen Daughter

No,you are NOT. You are a follower who allows your social group to define every aspect of your thinking and life. You can not be a devoutly religious follower of ANY faith and be an independent thinker. You can be one or the other,but not both.

YES, she is a follower. Of ONE. One who commands she follow no other, and be set apart. That means independent of all else. That REQUIRES independent thinking.

Religion is what atheists do.

@sneakypete
@Chosen Daughter
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 01:35:11 PM
I am not a devout religious follower.  I am a believer in Jesus Christ Savior.  Religion is for people who believe they can change the Word of God with the Social behavior of the world.  Just like the Republican party believes they can conform to the social norms and shift to the left for the sake of votes.

 :beer: :seeya:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 01:36:52 PM
Bullshit.

Really?

In 1944, the Allies ran "Operation Fortitude", which was nothing but a gargantuan lie -- a deception.  They created false radio traffic for units that did not exist, fake armored vehicles, etc., all to convince Germans of the lie that Patton was going to be leading the invasion over the Pas de Calais.

Or you can click the link in my signature.  Another calculated bit of dishonesty to create a man who never lived, to convince the Germans that we would be invading Sardinia and Greece rather than Sicily.  A pure lie.

Or in the more mundane sphere, last year I was planning a surprise anniversary trip to take my wife to Prague.  She happened to come downstairs while I was on the phone making some of the arrangements, and asked me what I was talking about.  I lied and told her I was setting trial dates because I did not want to spoil the surprise, especially since I was not positive that we'd actually be able to go, and I didn't want to let her know unless/until it was confirmed.

To you, all three are immoral because they involved dishonesty. 

I disagree.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 12, 2018, 01:38:15 PM
YES, she is a follower. Of ONE. One who commands she follow no other, and be set apart. That means independent of all else. That REQUIRES independent thinking.

Religion is what atheists do.

@sneakypete
@Chosen Daughter

Excellent post! Thank you!!

@roamer_1
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 02:04:32 PM
If joining/encouraging the public criticism of Trump when he says something stupid actually has a tangible benefit to advancing a conservative agenda, then fine.  But if it does not, and such criticism actually strengthens Democrat efforts to stop his agenda, then many see such public criticisms as playing right into the hands of the Democrats.

I think that's the fault line where many conservatives/Republicans splinter on public criticism of Trump.

Some of us do not subscribe to the political playbook that justifies requiring everyone to exclaim that the emperor is wearing fine clothes when he is prancing around naked.

Truth is truth - even if sometimes only the childlike have the courage to state it openly without fear of what everyone else is going to say.

I continue to marvel at the insistence of so many who lecture that we must trust and believe and have faith in those whom engage in lies and deceitfulness as long as lies and deceit produce the results we think we want.  How do you trust a liar?  Why must we have faith in illusions and spectacle designed for nothing more than acclamation and approval without substance beyond the temporal and fragile?


In 1944, the Allies ran "Operation Fortitude", which was nothing but a gargantuan lie -- a deception. 

War is a construct of man, not of God.  Lies and dishonesty are tools of Satan, and it is man who buys the lie that such tools can be used for good. If lies produce such goodness, then perhaps we should all start lying more about everything so that goodness may abound more abundantly.

To you, all three are immoral because they involved dishonesty. 

There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death. - Proverbs 14:12
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 02:11:00 PM
That's an ambiguous, one word denial devoid of any context or explanation.  The coward's way to avoid taking and defending an actual position. 

Honesty is a principle most of us value.  But there are times when the most moral course is to be dishonest.  Do you disagree?

Of course I don't disagree. The moral imperative outweighs the command. David stole the showbread... You can get your ox out of the well on the Sabbath... It does not, however change the command or principle... The principle is still true.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 02:12:46 PM
Some of us do not subscribe to the political playbook that justifies requiring everyone to exclaim that the emperor is wearing fine clothes when he is prancing around naked.

No, that is not my point.  I am not asking or expecting anyone to speak out in support of something they oppose.

I am addressing a particular subset of people who 1) claim to support most of Trump's substantive agenda, AND 2) believe that publicly criticizing his flaws is "constructive criticism" because it will induce him to change his behavior.  I believe 2) is wrong factually, and actually undermines rather than supports 1).

Frankly, I don't believe you ascribe to either of those two beliefs, so my comments have nothing to do with whether or not you should speak out on Trump.  I believe you oppose most of his agenda, and don't really care if your criticisms help or hinder him at all.  You make them for their own sake as a moral statement, without regard to their tangible effect. 

In other words...this has nothing to do with you.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 12, 2018, 02:13:24 PM
Of course I don't disagree. The moral imperative outweighs the command. David stole the showbread... You can get your ox out of the well on the Sabbath... It does not, however change the command or principle... The principle is still true.

That was exactly the point I was making in the first place that you labelled "bullshit".
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 12, 2018, 02:23:18 PM
Where I come from, pragmatism gets you dead.
'pragmatism' is just an excuse for weakness.

Bullshit.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 12, 2018, 02:28:36 PM
The numbers may be totally faulty but I saw this tweet:
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1039899538444754944 (https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1039899538444754944)

May be total bunk. Just posting.

The 2018 and 2014 numbers are published here https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/12/politics/impeachment-trump-poll-pelosi/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/12/politics/impeachment-trump-poll-pelosi/index.html)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 02:29:59 PM
To you, all three are immoral because they involved dishonesty. 

I disagree.

asked and answered.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 02:34:37 PM
I am addressing a particular subset of people who 1) claim to support most of Trump's substantive agenda, AND 2) believe that publicly criticizing his flaws is "constructive criticism" because it will induce him to change his behavior.  I believe 2) is wrong factually, and actually undermines rather than supports 1).

We both agree in regards to Trump himself, what you assert.  Trump is not going to change for all the reasons you cited.

But then Trump is not reading this board, and our discourse is intended for one another and those who read it.  WE CAN CHANGE.  Trump will not.

I believe you oppose most of his agenda...

What 'agenda'??  The one he speaks about in great platitudes and empty promises?  The 'wall'; 'lock her up'; and the things his rabid supporters have faith he will do for them?...

... or actual things like trillion-dollar deficit spending budgets he vowed he would never sign onto again?  An Executive governed like his predecessor via Executive Orders?

Sorry, but I do not believe in or trust liars so whatever this MAGA agenda is - I think it is nothing more than flatulent opportunism and sloganeering for hype's sake.

...(you) don't really care if your criticisms help or hinder him at all.  You make them for their own sake as a moral statement, without regard to their tangible effect. 

First of all, I was told repeatedly by Trump's fanbase since the primaries that my concerns and criticisms are irrelevant and have no ability to affect anything.

Whether what I opine on here has any help or hindrance to Trump is irrelevant, because he himself said he doesn't need our help and that claim has been repeated ad nauseum since then by his fanbase.

We are discussing principles here, the foundational first things that politics has no further use of in this country.  If people fear the truth will harm Trump, too bad.   I have no allegiance to him whatsoever.

In other words...this has nothing to do with you.

Has to do with liberty and true freedom ( which does not come from men) - something apparently most give a rat's ass about as long as they get payback and follow a 'winner'.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 03:01:37 PM
That was exactly the point I was making in the first place that you labelled "bullshit".

Then I apologize, as I must have misread you.
People use this sort of tripe to defend moral relativism - called pragmatism on the 'conservative' side of things.

The emphasis in the phrase 'moral imperative' necessarily must be on 'imperative', lest through an event or array of 'moral imperatives' one defeats the principle.

I do only what is needful on Shabbat... Sometimes the ox does fall in the well, and I must work. But I do not like it. And I do not justify it. Even so, the slippery slope of pragmatism finds me changing from 'buying needful parts and fixing the fence', to 'well, I already broke Shabbat, so I might as well order a pizza...', to a point where Shabbat has lost all meaning.

And that from a rigid fundamentalist. I know how easy it is to stray. That is why I am a rigid fundamentalist, and why I am likewise, a dyed-in-the-wool Conservative.

The 'pragmatism of the day' is precisely what erodes the Law of God.
And likewise what erodes 'We hold these truths to be self-evident....'

The imperative belongs upon the law - The principle. All too often that imperative is swung to fit a needful 'moral circumstance', and is never returned to its rightful place.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 03:04:56 PM
Bullshit.

@Jazzhead
Nope. Quite true. Pragmatism will get you dead. Come with me fifty miles up in the sticks this winter and you will see.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 03:08:29 PM
I'm supporting the president and have no intention to violate any of my principals  along the way.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 03:09:32 PM
What tangible results do you expect to achieve by undertaking that fool's errand?

Do you agree or disagree with my prior statement that Democrats use criticism of Trump's personal style as a tool to sabotage his substantive agenda? 

If joining/encouraging the public criticism of Trump when he says something stupid actually has a tangible benefit to advancing a conservative agenda, then fine.  But if it does not, and such criticism actually strengthens Democrat efforts to stop his agenda, then many see such public criticisms as playing right into the hands of the Democrats.

I think that's the fault line where many conservatives/Republicans splinter on public criticism of Trump.



President TRUMP is not doing anything wrong! He is successful, in spite of made up criticism.  I am not against your post, just building on it.  What do the N.T.'s want?  What is "presidential"?  The same, smooth, lying, agenda of prior presidents? 
People wanted change.  WE GOT THE REAL DEAL.  Now, they want him to act like all the others who messed up our country?  It does not make sense at all. And I agree with you, those who go all uppity on Presidents style, think they are paragons of virtue themselves.  **nononono* Funniest things I read daily.  Some people think, if they criticize the president, it makes them appear "smart". NOT.  The are doing the DEEP STATE bidding, harming their own future & possibly their lives & family.  Left PROPAGANDA has gotten to them. Brainwashed into hating a great man. His accomplishments prove that out. There is nothing to hate about this man.   Some people make it a sport.  Delusional people. Wanting the same behavior from prior presidents, who reneged on promises, then want president TRUMP to act the same way.  Doing the same thing, & wanting different results!  I see the insanity of that kind of thinking.

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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
I'm supporting the president and have no intention to violate any of my principals  along the way.

With all due respect, I cannot. I will call a spade a spade. And I will not sully the truth in following a man.

Rule number one: A liar is a liar, and cannot be trusted. Ergo, I cannot trust him. Not an inch.
I will give credit where it is due, but the imperative is upon the principle of the thing, and not upon the man. There is no moral imperative at work to demand otherwise.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 12, 2018, 03:15:05 PM
President TRUMP is not doing anything wrong!

I can't get past this first sentence...I mean why bother?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 03:18:35 PM
President TRUMP has never said anything "stupid".  Only LEFT, LYING, MEDIA, tells that to people & they jump right on board.  Most of his words, are taken out of context, distorted & twisted.  Just like the correct & truthful words about illegals in our country.
They NEVER ADD, his last line.  "and some I am sure are good people".  Everything he said, is totally true about ILLEGALS. 

Telling the blunt TRUTH,,,is now "stupid".  The man did not become a billionaire by being "stupid'. 

The people who jump on board with the LEFT, LYING MEDIA...are stupid. My opinion. (DEEP STATE programming)
"If it don't apply..let it fly. "  If you feel convicted, that is not on me. If the shoe fits.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 12, 2018, 03:20:21 PM
What tangible results do you expect to achieve by undertaking that fool's errand?

Do you agree or disagree with my prior statement that Democrats use criticism of Trump's personal style as a tool to sabotage his substantive agenda? 

If joining/encouraging the public criticism of Trump when he says something stupid actually has a tangible benefit to advancing a conservative agenda, then fine.  But if it does not, and such criticism actually strengthens Democrat efforts to stop his agenda, then many see such public criticisms as playing right into the hands of the Democrats.

I think that's the fault line where many conservatives/Republicans splinter on public criticism of Trump.

I heartily agree.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 03:21:09 PM
The 'pragmatism of the day' is precisely what erodes the Law of God.
And likewise what erodes 'We hold these truths to be self-evident....'


The imperative belongs upon the law - The principle. All too often that imperative is swung to fit a needful 'moral circumstance', and is never returned to its rightful place.

Truer words never posted.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 03:24:14 PM

President TRUMP is not doing anything wrong!

Oh is that ever bullcrap!

Quote
What do the N.T.'s want?  What is "presidential"?  The same, smooth, lying, agenda of prior presidents?

You will find that NTers (read hard-core Conservatives) did not want the 'same, smooth, lying, agenda of prior presidents', and knew their lies long before you did. Most of those presidents did not receive my vote.
 
You seem to equate the opposite of 'smooth' to be also the opposite of 'lying'. Believe me, your raving carnival barker lies through his teeth all the time. More than anyone I have ever seen upon the stage. That is my foremost concern, and always has been. And that not based upon the MSM whatsoever. That, based upon what falls out of his own mouth.

Quote

People wanted change.  WE GOT THE REAL DEAL. 

Yeah... Hopey-changey all over again  *****rollingeyes*****
One would have thought the previous administration would have made us all wise to change for change's sake.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 03:24:34 PM
I heartily agree.

Yup!  I do too.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 03:26:22 PM
President TRUMP has never said anything "stupid". 

Oh Reallllllllly???????????????????????????????

"There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea".

(https://images.axios.com/xas8gTrL4OVh0R9fVW334ixvCcU=/6x0:1432x802/1920x1080/2018/06/13/1528884329294.png)

Criminally stupid comment from Trump.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: skeeter on September 12, 2018, 03:28:28 PM
I heartily agree.

Me too. And I'm DONE with arguing about it.

Talk about a fruitless pursuit.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 03:28:51 PM
President TRUMP has never said anything "stupid". 

*blink, blink*
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! *deep breath* BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 ****sheep****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
President TRUMP has never said anything "stupid". 

(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/trumptweet1_082318getty.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 12, 2018, 05:22:51 PM
NO, principles do NOT change.

prin·ci·ple
ˈprinsəpəl/
noun: principle; plural noun: principles
    1.
    a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.

FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH. That means foundational. That means bedrock. Truth that is always true, and self-evidently true. That does not move. If you think it does, @sneakypete , then it is you that needs a new guru, not me.

@roamer_1

You have clearly lived a sheltered life if you  believe that nonsense.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 12, 2018, 05:24:22 PM
Where I come from, pragmatism gets you dead.
'pragmatism' is just an excuse for weakness.

@roamer_1

ROFLMAO! That one has my nomination for "Funniest Post of 2018".
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 12, 2018, 05:27:08 PM
Quote
YES, she is a follower. Of ONE. One who commands she follow no other, and be set apart.

@roamer_1   @Chosen Daughter

Ok,trot your Heap Big Leader out and let us have a look at him!

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That means independent of all else. That REQUIRES independent thinking.

It means you are a cult member,is what it means. There is no such thing as independent thinking in ANY cult. You are all a part of the Bork,or you are not loyal and will be expelled.

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Religion is what atheists do.

Well,that does make as much sense as anything else you have posted today.

@sneakypete
@Chosen Daughter
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 12, 2018, 05:34:02 PM
With all due respect, I cannot. I will call a spade a spade. And I will not sully the truth in following a man.

Rule number one: A liar is a liar, and cannot be trusted. Ergo, I cannot trust him. Not an inch.
I will give credit where it is due, but the imperative is upon the principle of the thing, and not upon the man. There is no moral imperative at work to demand otherwise.

@roamer_1

And you really are a mountain man,living the life,and roaming free in the mountains,right? No degrees,no white collar jobs,house,bank accounts,retirement fund,IRA's,etc,etc,etc?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
Hate to say it but I love what I just posted to @Jazzhead even though I doubt that he loves it that much.

I just challenged him to stop begging for Trump to change and to change himself.

That just may help him realize how hard it is to change.

Explains everything.  No wonder you put all those people on ignore.  You like your own posts.  Carrry on.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 08:12:11 PM
Of course he can change, @Maj. Bill Martin    You're the one who appears to assume he's unable to grow, unable to adjust to his responsibilities as Chief Executive and Head of State  in a way that doesn't piss off more than half the electorate and diminish our reputation on the world stage.   Yes, he comes from a business environment where he's used to getting his way through brinksmanship, bombast and abuse.    But to suggest he cannot or will not adapt is giving him far less credit than I do.    Of course he can change.  He's not an idiot.   

He can accomplish his policy objectives without coming on like a mafia don,  without taking every last criticism as license to strike back by lowering himself to the level of his critics.   The stark reality is that UNLESS he changes, his policy objectives will be gone with the political winds.   He won because he was lucky - the Dems nominated a true turkey to run against him.   He nevertheless caught lightening in a bottle by applying his tax cut and de-regulatory impulses to an economy that was beginning to crest.   He's gotten so lucky that the boom has continued notwithstanding his anti-growth policies toward immigration, and his unorthodox approach to trade.      And by all lights he deserves to be rewarded for his success,  but it is becoming more and more likely that it will all come crashing down instead - because Trump can't think strategically beyond his own self-interest.   

You're suggesting I shut up for the good of the team.   I understand the impulse, but we are still two months away from the voting and there is still time to head off disaster.   I hope and pray.   

I think it was Franklin Graham that said he was a changed man.   ****sheep****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 12, 2018, 08:20:54 PM
Explains everything.  No wonder you put all those people on ignore.  You like your own posts.  Carrry on.

@Chosen Daughter

No.  She was sharing an epiphany with us and hopefully that @Jazzhead would 'see' it too.   :cool:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 12, 2018, 08:24:18 PM
YES, she is a follower. Of ONE. One who commands she follow no other, and be set apart. That means independent of all else. That REQUIRES independent thinking.

Religion is what atheists do.

@sneakypete
@Chosen Daughter

Stay in the Word and be diligent to test everything because in many different ways religion is trying to distort the Word of God.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 12, 2018, 08:29:54 PM
@roamer_1

ROFLMAO! That one has my nomination for "Funniest Post of 2018".

Confessing to laughing my ass off when I read that, too.

"Pragmatism can get you killed....."  roamer_1

LOL!   I'm convinced that @roamer_1 is pulling our legs.  He's a simple contrarian who, even when covered head to toe in shit...will not say 'Uncle'.   ....a real PIA.    :laugh:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 08:31:02 PM
@roamer_1

You have clearly lived a sheltered life if you  believe that nonsense.

No Pete. My life has been quite the opposite of sheltered. That is why I know that those principles are true - by way of having violated every one of them and paying for the consequences.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 08:36:15 PM
Ok,trot your Heap Big Leader out and let us have a look at him!

You'll be meeting him soon enough @sneakypete , whether you believe it or not.

Quote

It means you are a cult member,is what it means. There is no such thing as independent thinking in ANY cult. You are all a part of the Bork,or you are not loyal and will be expelled.

I am affiliated with no organization... I meet with other believers as I find them - usually house churches... The only One I have to worry about 'expelling me' is the One I follow.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 08:52:18 PM
Me too. And I'm DONE with arguing about it.

Talk about a fruitless pursuit.

Me, too.  Especially annoyed at having to argue with @Jazzhead because he, at least, respects the things Trump is doing.  But he keeps wanting Trump to 'change.' and no matter how many people explain to him that Trump will not change; in fact Trump has no reason to change, he wouldn't listen to reason even when I confronted him with the fact that he, himself, will not change nor will he consider trying to change.

Oh. well.  Does anyone remember what started this thread?  I think its time has past.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
@roamer_1

And you really are a mountain man,living the life,and roaming free in the mountains,right? No degrees,no white collar jobs,house,bank accounts,retirement fund,IRA's,etc,etc,etc?

Did I have all that? Well yeah... for a season. Turned out it was all a lie, and gone in a flash.

No... Pretty much everyone knows my story... I am not 'roaming free', having been struck down by illness and wound up in a wheelchair. Having experienced miraculous healing by the hand of the God you deny, I now concern myself with getting my body back, and then on to being free again. I am in my sixth year coming back. A long row to hoe.

I have none of those things, except that which I will mention hereafter. All of that was lost in my illness.

I own a stickframe cabin a mile from town, it's contents, a shed out back with all my tools, an old pickup, a trailer, and a minivan. I own one account, for receiving electronic payments, and busy myself fixing computers mostly for cash... the only part of three businesses left from the previous time. The rest of it cratered when I fell ill. What little I have been able to save is in the Bank of Earth in mason jars here and there.

Other than that, I am about to close on a 20 acre piece at the end of the dirt, backed on two sides by national forest. The next step. I will be felling trees there for a cabin as soon as I can find a tractor, and build a bandsaw mill... and will hopefully be living there by the end of next summer, with a barn and another stick frame cabin... Good Lord willing, and I don't fall down again. But if I do, then the next year. It is in Yahovah's hands, and not mine.

THEN, yes... I will be back where I belong. And a long road getting there.

But what has that to do with anything here?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 09:21:01 PM
Confessing to laughing my ass off when I read that, too.

"Pragmatism can get you killed....."  roamer_1

LOL!   I'm convinced that @roamer_1 is pulling our legs.  He's a simple contrarian who, even when covered head to toe in shit...will not say 'Uncle'.   ....a real PIA.    :laugh:

I am absolutely serious, @DCPatriot . Break the laws of nature and you die. Your pragmatism would cause you to cross the ice on the river because of need, and the shortest route. My principles would tell me that almost regardless of the need, you never cross the ice. Find another way.

And 9 times out of ten, you might be right, but you can only be right so long... and then you are bound to be wrong - and the consequence is always the same.

I am listening to a guy named Paulides on youtube, going on and on about the mysterious disappearances and deaths in national forests... It is no mystery to me.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 12, 2018, 09:23:42 PM
   I for one, @roamer_1 admire your tenacity in Life and also what you bring here, to TBR.  I always attributed your clear thinking to living up there in 'Big Sky Country'. 
   I have to travel 150 miles west (towards Big Bend) to experience the Angels dropping matches from the sky.  I miss it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 12, 2018, 09:26:31 PM
Very gracious response, @roamer_1.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 12, 2018, 09:34:20 PM
I am absolutely serious, @DCPatriot . Break the laws of nature and you die. Your pragmatism would cause you to cross the ice on the river because of need, and the shortest route. My principles would tell me that almost regardless of the need, you never cross the ice. Find another way.

And 9 times out of ten, you might be right, but you can only be right so long... and then you are bound to be wrong - and the consequence is always the same.

I am listening to a guy named Paulides on youtube, going on and on about the mysterious disappearances and deaths in national forests... It is no mystery to me.

LOL!  You admit that 9 out of 10 times I may be correct...but that 90% accuracy rating STILL isn't good enough for you.

My friend, that's called 'life'.    You expect too much of yourself. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LMAO on September 12, 2018, 09:39:42 PM
There are consequences to pragmatism but there’s also consequences to sticking to your principles
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 12, 2018, 09:49:40 PM
There are consequences to pragmatism but there’s also consequences to sticking to your principles

There are consequences getting out of bed in the morning.

You make decisions based upon the landscape. 

You can make a right turn on red...but you have to check.

Stubbornness...works better here.   This 'principle' bullshit is a smokescreen.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 09:49:48 PM
   I for one, @roamer_1 admire your tenacity in Life and also what you bring here, to TBR.  I always attributed your clear thinking to living up there in 'Big Sky Country'. 
   I have to travel 150 miles west (towards Big Bend) to experience the Angels dropping matches from the sky.  I miss it.

If my life has taught me anything @corbe ... It is that nothing is more important than that which you miss. A front porch with a tin roof, a dirt road, family and friends. Good work for the hands. If you miss it, go and find it, before it is too late.

Simple things.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 09:52:55 PM
LOL!  You admit that 9 out of 10 times I may be correct...but that 90% accuracy rating STILL isn't good enough for you.

My friend, that's called 'life'.    You expect too much of yourself.

I know how it looks to you @DCPatriot , my friend... I know how it looks to you. But it's that tenth time that is the difference.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 12, 2018, 09:55:42 PM
I know how it looks to you @DCPatriot , my friend... I know how it looks to you. But it's that tenth time that is the difference.

Yeah...but those missing people in the forest?   The ones you "understand"?

Those are the ones that also refused to cross the ice "...and took the long way home".    wink777
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 09:56:15 PM
There are consequences to pragmatism but there’s also consequences to sticking to your principles

No. Liberty has responsibilities.
Freedom has consequences.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 09:59:48 PM
Yeah...but those missing people in the forest?   The ones you "understand"?

Those are the ones that also refused to cross the ice "...and took the long way home".    wink777

LOL! nope. Caution is everything in the woods. Taking chances is how you die.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 10:00:46 PM
If my life has taught me anything @corbe ... It is that nothing is more important than that which you miss. A front porch with a tin roof, a dirt road, family and friends. Good work for the hands. If you miss it, go and find it, before it is too late.

Simple things.

Never mentioned this before and probably shouldn't now but I walked away from a $250k per year job some years ago in order to do just that and have never been sorry for even one second.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 10:13:09 PM
Very gracious response, @roamer_1.

:beer:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 10:16:59 PM
Never mentioned this before and probably shouldn't now but I walked away from a $250k per year job some years ago in order to do just that and have never been sorry for even one second.

Well, then you done better than me... The good Lord had to slap me upside the head with a 2x4 and sit me down for a decade so I could think it through....  :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Bigun on September 12, 2018, 10:23:06 PM
Well, then you done better than me... The good Lord had to slap me upside the head with a 2x4 and sit me down for a decade so I could think it through....  :shrug:

Actually my wife and I had a very long discussion over breakfast one Saturday morning during which many things were discussed.  About a month later God provided me with an off ramp and I took it.  You should know that I understand you and sincerely pray for all your dreams to come true.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 12, 2018, 10:23:50 PM
   I have planned next month to take my annual trek over to the Frio River at the base of the Guadalupe Mts.  Missed it last year.   Great Therapy.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 10:56:36 PM
Actually my wife and I had a very long discussion over breakfast one Saturday morning during which many things were discussed.  About a month later God provided me with an off ramp and I took it.  You should know that I understand you and sincerely pray for all your dreams to come true.

Thanks very much for that @Bigun ... but it really ain't on me. I spent half my life jumping in the traces, and hitting the end of the chain... I am waiting on Him from now on.

Because it was Pete, I left off the other half of that deal... Down on the highway below the place, there's a decrepit general store, with an attached mechanic's shop and a school and a chapel/grange hall out back - all abandoned. It has hitchin posts all around it... It's hillbilly country, and pretty insular, so the feller what owns all that won't sell to me. But that is what the Father is pokin at me to do... I think the acreage is just to get me in the neighborhood.

That little complex used to be the center of that little hillbilly community. And they are hurting with it gone. It will never make any real money. I am a great mechanic, and computer tech, but surely not a grocer, or preacher, or school principle... but it looks like I am fixin to be.

Dunno. Like I said, I am trying to stay at heel and not get distracted by skwerls.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 11:07:45 PM
   I have planned next month to take my annual trek over to the Frio River at the base of the Guadalupe Mts.  Missed it last year.   Great Therapy.

Good. While you are there, buy a chunk of it and don't come back... Have that therapy all the time.

John Denver has a line in 'Wild Montana Skies'... that tells my story:

There was something in the city that he said he couldn't breathe
And there was something in the country that he said he couldn't leave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYuy9p1Hd3Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYuy9p1Hd3Y)

Shoulda never went... Even if it was just to town.  Been twenty years trying to get back :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 12, 2018, 11:39:34 PM
Did I have all that? Well yeah... for a season. Turned out it was all a lie, and gone in a flash.

No... Pretty much everyone knows my story... I am not 'roaming free', having been struck down by illness and wound up in a wheelchair. Having experienced miraculous healing by the hand of the God you deny, I now concern myself with getting my body back, and then on to being free again. I am in my sixth year coming back. A long row to hoe.

I have none of those things, except that which I will mention hereafter. All of that was lost in my illness.

I own a stickframe cabin a mile from town, it's contents, a shed out back with all my tools, an old pickup, a trailer, and a minivan. I own one account, for receiving electronic payments, and busy myself fixing computers mostly for cash... the only part of three businesses left from the previous time. The rest of it cratered when I fell ill. What little I have been able to save is in the Bank of Earth in mason jars here and there.

Other than that, I am about to close on a 20 acre piece at the end of the dirt, backed on two sides by national forest. The next step. I will be felling trees there for a cabin as soon as I can find a tractor, and build a bandsaw mill... and will hopefully be living there by the end of next summer, with a barn and another stick frame cabin... Good Lord willing, and I don't fall down again. But if I do, then the next year. It is in Yahovah's hands, and not mine.

THEN, yes... I will be back where I belong. And a long road getting there.

But what has that to do with anything here?

Thanks for sharing that @roamer_1   I am so sorry about your illness but you are obviously handling it like the strong soul you are.  May God bless you and make you whole again.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 12, 2018, 11:53:52 PM
Thanks for sharing that @roamer_1   I am so sorry about your illness but you are obviously handling it like the strong soul you are.  May God bless you and make you whole again.

Thank you @Emjay for your kind reply.  :seeya:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 13, 2018, 01:04:26 AM
Did I have all that? Well yeah... for a season. Turned out it was all a lie, and gone in a flash.

No... Pretty much everyone knows my story... I am not 'roaming free', having been struck down by illness and wound up in a wheelchair. Having experienced miraculous healing by the hand of the God you deny, I now concern myself with getting my body back, and then on to being free again. I am in my sixth year coming back. A long row to hoe.

I have none of those things, except that which I will mention hereafter. All of that was lost in my illness.

I own a stickframe cabin a mile from town, it's contents, a shed out back with all my tools, an old pickup, a trailer, and a minivan. I own one account, for receiving electronic payments, and busy myself fixing computers mostly for cash... the only part of three businesses left from the previous time. The rest of it cratered when I fell ill. What little I have been able to save is in the Bank of Earth in mason jars here and there.

Other than that, I am about to close on a 20 acre piece at the end of the dirt, backed on two sides by national forest. The next step. I will be felling trees there for a cabin as soon as I can find a tractor, and build a bandsaw mill... and will hopefully be living there by the end of next summer, with a barn and another stick frame cabin... Good Lord willing, and I don't fall down again. But if I do, then the next year. It is in Yahovah's hands, and not mine.

THEN, yes... I will be back where I belong. And a long road getting there.

But what has that to do with anything here?

roamer,

Thank you for posting.  God is good!  Be praying for you total healing over you.  And for your land and cabin you plan on building.  What an inspiration you are.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 13, 2018, 04:06:08 AM
roamer,

Thank you for posting.  God is good!  Be praying for you total healing over you.  And for your land and cabin you plan on building.  What an inspiration you are.

That is altogether too kind, @Chosen Daughter ...Knowing the row you have had to hoe, It means a whole lot. Hope things are well with you - and YES, God is good!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 13, 2018, 08:54:13 AM
Me, too.  Especially annoyed at having to argue with @Jazzhead because he, at least, respects the things Trump is doing.  But he keeps wanting Trump to 'change.' and no matter how many people explain to him that Trump will not change; in fact Trump has no reason to change, he wouldn't listen to reason even when I confronted him with the fact that he, himself, will not change nor will he consider trying to change.


He'll have no "reason to change" until the dogs are staring down at him.   

 I'm not sure exactly what we're "arguing" about, @Emjay.   We both respect Trump's policy directions (you perhaps more than me,  since I disagree strongly with his attitudes toward immigration),  and we both want those policy directions to continue.    But I see a storm bearing down if Trump can't change and start acting like a President.   Trump has his base,  but hasn't extended his appeal despite the current prosperity.   Carville's maxim - it's the economy, stupid - is about to proven wrong by reason of Trump's insistence that this election be about him.    And there are millions who will buy the argument that a Dem Congress is needed to provide a necessary check to Trump's megalomania.   

It was interesting to me that half of yesterday's letters to the editor in the Wall Street Journal commenting on the anonymous Times op-ed expressed relief that such "traitors" existed in the White House,  keeping the man-child President from doing something stupid.    Perhaps the subtle message is that we don't need Dems to check the President;  the GOP is quietly but effectively curbing his worst impulses.   And of course Trump's reaction is to go ballistic,  and underscore yet again the need for there to be adults in the room. 

As for me,  I will vote as I always have without regard to Trump.   I don't have to make a decision on him until 2020.     But it is foolish, IMO,  to place one's head in the sand and proclaim Trump can't change so I'd best shut my yap for the good of the team.   Trump has changed as much as anyone in public life that I know.   You're probably right that he won't heed well-intentioned advice, from folks who aren't his enemies.    But he'll change, one way or another.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 13, 2018, 09:58:16 AM
Uh...the dogs love what Trump is doing now and would like to see more of this type of patriotic, citizen president sitting in the White House in the future.

It’s going to take a long time for the swamp to recover – if they ever can – from the two-term President Trump.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 13, 2018, 10:36:41 AM
Uh...the dogs love what Trump is doing now and would like to see more of this type of patriotic, citizen president sitting in the White House in the future.

It’s going to take a long time for the swamp to recover – if they ever can – from the two-term President Trump.

The question is if they can.  The party is no longer Republican it is the real third party which Trump described as Workers Party.  We now have Workers Party and its a whole new political game.  And there were things with Republicans which made me hold my nose and vote.  This is worse.  Its Art of the Deal politics and its Trumps deal.  With all his New York values team.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 13, 2018, 10:37:11 AM
Uh...the dogs love what Trump is doing now and would like to see more of this type of patriotic, citizen president sitting in the White House in the future.

It’s going to take a long time for the swamp to recover – if they ever can – from the two-term President Trump.

Nothing wrong with a billionaire citizen President.   I hear Jeremy Diman may be thinking of challenging Trump.   

The problem is THIS citizen president,  and his self-centered behavior, which sucks the oxygen out of the room.     
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 13, 2018, 10:43:33 AM
That is altogether too kind, @Chosen Daughter ...Knowing the row you have had to hoe, It means a whole lot. Hope things are well with you - and YES, God is good!

Yes, so far I am clear of the Cancer praise God.  I give him all the glory.  if it hadn't been for the strength that comes from God I probably would not be alive today.  Strength to reject the chemo that would have kept me sick, and possibly led to other illness and cancers.

He directs our paths.

Thank You roamer_1
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Bigun on September 13, 2018, 10:53:21 AM
Yes, so far I am clear of the Cancer praise God.  I give him all the glory.  if it hadn't been for the strength that comes from God I probably would not be alive today.  Strength to reject the chemo that would have kept me sick, and possibly led to other illness and cancers.

He directs our paths.

Thank You roamer_1

Great to hear @Chosen Daughter!

May God continue to bless!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 13, 2018, 12:42:24 PM
Yes, so far I am clear of the Cancer praise God.  I give him all the glory.  if it hadn't been for the strength that comes from God I probably would not be alive today.  Strength to reject the chemo that would have kept me sick, and possibly led to other illness and cancers.

He directs our paths.

Thank You roamer_1

Did you find those Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C helpful at all? I think we talked about that some time ago.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 13, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
He'll have no "reason to change" until the dogs are staring down at him.   

 I'm not sure exactly what we're "arguing" about, @Emjay.   We both respect Trump's policy directions (you perhaps more than me,  since I disagree strongly with his attitudes toward immigration),  and we both want those policy directions to continue.    But I see a storm bearing down if Trump can't change and start acting like a President.   Trump has his base,  but hasn't extended his appeal despite the current prosperity.   Carville's maxim - it's the economy, stupid - is about to proven wrong by reason of Trump's insistence that this election be about him.    And there are millions who will buy the argument that a Dem Congress is needed to provide a necessary check to Trump's megalomania.   

It was interesting to me that half of yesterday's letters to the editor in the Wall Street Journal commenting on the anonymous Times op-ed expressed relief that such "traitors" existed in the White House,  keeping the man-child President from doing something stupid.    Perhaps the subtle message is that we don't need Dems to check the President;  the GOP is quietly but effectively curbing his worst impulses.   And of course Trump's reaction is to go ballistic,  and underscore yet again the need for there to be adults in the room. 

As for me,  I will vote as I always have without regard to Trump.   I don't have to make a decision on him until 2020.     But it is foolish, IMO,  to place one's head in the sand and proclaim Trump can't change so I'd best shut my yap for the good of the team.   Trump has changed as much as anyone in public life that I know.   You're probably right that he won't heed well-intentioned advice, from folks who aren't his enemies.    But he'll change, one way or another.

@Jazzhead   I'm sorry I argued with you because I do respect your opinions, even regarding Trump.

And apparently I cannot change your mind about expecting Trump to change so I will drop the matter.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: truth_seeker on September 13, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
Nothing wrong with a billionaire citizen President.   I hear Jeremy Diman may be thinking of challenging Trump.   

The problem is THIS citizen president,  and his self-centered behavior, which sucks the oxygen out of the room.     
No doubt he has a distinctive, often brash, management style.

Throughout history, leaders have often been those, with very distinctive,  leadership styles. And very effective, too.

Trump has done MORE for the conservatives' agenda, than anybody since or probably Reagan.

Considering the ineptness conservatives had displayed getting candidates elected President, it was a wise choice to go with Trump.


BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion, displayed by Republicans in general.

I saw a live Trump rally, decided to go all in. Glad my instincts and judgment turned out to be on target.







Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 13, 2018, 03:38:49 PM
No doubt he has a distinctive, often brash, management style.

Throughout history, leaders have often been those, with very distinctive,  leadership styles. And very effective, too.

Trump has done MORE for the conservatives' agenda, than anybody since or probably Reagan.

Considering the ineptness conservatives had displayed getting candidates elected President, it was a wise choice to go with Trump.


BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion, displayed by Republicans in general.

I saw a live Trump rally, decided to go all in. Glad my instincts and judgment turned out to be on target.

Yep. The improbable president, Donald Trump. Turned out better than even I expected, and I liked him almost from the very beginning.

Jobs
Economy
Foreign policy
Federal regulations/bureaucracy
Fighting and exposing corrupt media
Thinning the rhino herds
Stymied Mueller’s witch hunt

It’s all good.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 13, 2018, 03:49:38 PM
@Jazzhead   I'm sorry I argued with you because I do respect your opinions, even regarding Trump.

And apparently I cannot change your mind about expecting Trump to change so I will drop the matter.

We can certainly disagree about whether Trump has the inclination or willingness to recognize his own faults and change them.   But one thing's for sure - unless he changes to address the concerns of those critics who otherwise be pleased to support what he's done, all the good things he's accomplished will be lost.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 13, 2018, 03:51:27 PM

It's all good.

Yes, but the issue is whether those good things are ephemeral,  transitory good news trumped by the President's flaws and penchant for self-destruction.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 13, 2018, 06:47:14 PM
We can certainly disagree about whether Trump has the inclination or willingness to recognize his own faults and change them.   But one thing's for sure - unless he changes to address the concerns of those critics who otherwise be pleased to support what he's done, all the good things he's accomplished will be lost.   

Dammit, @Jazzhead   You've made me argue with you again. 

Trump was the same guy when he was nominated.  In fact, he was even more obnoxious during the primaries.  But he got nominated.

He was the same guy when he ran against the unbeatable Hillary Clinton.  He beat her.

He's the same guy now.  Why on earth would you think he needs to change?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 13, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
    @Jazzhead in case your haven't noticed (I sure did), you've been pushed off the Train.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Conductor_foces_to_jump_off_a_train.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 13, 2018, 10:04:34 PM
    @Jazzhead in case your haven't noticed (I sure did), you've been pushed off the Train.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Conductor_foces_to_jump_off_a_train.jpg)

No, corbe.  Jazzhead is still on the train but he has to sit in the back for a while until he gets over two ridiculous notions.

One is that Trump will ruin everything if he doesn't 'change.'

Two is that Trump needs to change.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 13, 2018, 10:43:24 PM
Uh...the dogs love what Trump is doing now and would like to see more of this type of patriotic, citizen president sitting in the White House in the future.

It’s going to take a long time for the swamp to recover – if they ever can – from the two-term President Trump.



I agree.  Why do people want to be lied to, like ALL the other politicians have done? We did not want that same-o, same-o, that got us into the mess, we are in now.  It is not about TRUMP, per se,  Many, many, MEN are jealous of him. It is about their ego's, not president TRUMPS.  lol. They want another pantywaist, limp wristed president? 
I don't.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 13, 2018, 10:46:40 PM
It is not about TRUMP, per se,  Many, many, MEN are jealous of him. It is about their ego's, not president TRUMPS.  lol. They want another pantywaist, limp wristed president? 
I don't.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

Dazzling analysis.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 13, 2018, 10:48:46 PM
No, corbe.  Jazzhead is still on the train but he has to sit in the back for a while until he gets over two ridiculous notions.

One is that Trump will ruin everything if he doesn't 'change.'

Two is that Trump needs to change.

I actually agree with @Jazzhead that there are things Trump should change.  But the fact that you disagree kind of makes the point about why he won't.  Both Trump and many others see the statements/tweets as strengths, not weaknesses.  Maybe he could change if he really, really wanted to.  But he doesn't want to, because he thinks that those who criticize his style are wrong, and the results of the 2016 election prove that to him.  The only conceivable thing that might change his mind is actually losing an election.  But if that happens...any change is moot anyway.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 13, 2018, 10:50:34 PM
Many, many, MEN are jealous of him. It is about their ego's, not president TRUMPS. 

What in the Sam Hill is going on around here?? 

The wild assertions, the claimed insight into what all these other men "really" think, the random use of bold and capitalization.   I mean, you capitalize every word of "TRUMP", but don't capitalize "president?"

Either you've had too much to drink, or I haven't had enough.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 13, 2018, 10:52:22 PM
No doubt he has a distinctive, often brash, management style.

Throughout history, leaders have often been those, with very distinctive,  leadership styles. And very effective, too.

Trump has done MORE for the conservatives' agenda, than anybody since or probably Reagan.

Considering the ineptness conservatives had displayed getting candidates elected President, it was a wise choice to go with Trump.

I saw a live Trump rally, decided to go all in. Glad my instincts and judgment turned out to be on target.

BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion, displayed by Republicans in general.


Sorry, I messed up your quote;


Good comments!  There is a saying, about wanting to "change yourself" for others.  In the end, the next guy won't like the change & so it goes. Be yourself, that is the only one, you have to please.  I don't understand Jazzies "need" for president TRUMP  to change, at all!  I love this president,  warts & all, that others may perceive. To me he is perfect. PERFECTLY....HUMAN!   888high58888
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 13, 2018, 11:08:34 PM
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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 13, 2018, 11:09:19 PM
What in the Sam Hill is going on around here?? 

The wild assertions, the claimed insight into what all these other men "really" think, the random use of bold and capitalization.   I mean, you capitalize every word of "TRUMP", but don't capitalize "president?"

Either you've had too much to drink, or I haven't had enough.


Why should you care how I post?  Almost every day, I have to explain it.  I have cataracts, bad typist, new keyboard, new laptop.  I've studied human behaviors for about 35 years. I know jealousy when I see it. I've been a victim of it.
It is very "evil" thinking & the root of all evil, not the love of money. That is what leftism is about. I am a patriot. When I do caps for T..I just keep typing.  President TRUMP.  I am not in school on here am I?  I also know, people who have issue with, use of grammar, punctuation, etc. have other issues with the person.  What is it?  I made too much sense for you?  BYW, why would you accuse  someone, being a possible alcohol?  NOT NICE.  How about you, since you thought of it? See? Projection.

I had a heart attack last Oct. 2017. Surgery with stent. I am on some medication & I can assure you I am not an alcoholic, besides having been in the LDS religion for 20 years. Word of Wisdom. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 13, 2018, 11:15:14 PM
   You throw around that 'Alcoholic' label so carelessly almost like it's a bad thing @LegalAmerican
   Shame on you.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 13, 2018, 11:15:32 PM
I actually agree with @Jazzhead that there are things Trump should change.  But the fact that you disagree kind of makes the point about why he won't.  Both Trump and many others see the statements/tweets as strengths, not weaknesses.  Maybe he could change if he really, really wanted to.  But he doesn't want to, because he thinks that those who criticize his style are wrong, and the results of the 2016 election prove that to him.  The only conceivable thing that might change his mind is actually losing an election.  But if that happens...any change is moot anyway.


Aha!   There it is.  Control issues.  Wanting others to change....for YOU..but not yourselves.   I love president TRUMP, just the way he is. He is doing fine.  So, another jealous person, of Trump?  Possibly. 
You started it.   :pop41:  :seeya: :seeya: :seeya:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 13, 2018, 11:16:48 PM
BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion

Oh REAALLLLLYYYYYY????????

Where's the link to these oft-remarked frustrations on THIS forum?????

Or were you confusing us with the other myriad forums you troll?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 13, 2018, 11:16:55 PM
Hey, I did say that maybe the problem was that I hadn't had enough to drink....
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 13, 2018, 11:19:48 PM


I agree.  Why do people want to be lied to, like ALL the other politicians have done? We did not want that same-o, same-o, that got us into the mess, we are in now.  It is not about TRUMP, per se,  Many, many, MEN are jealous of him. It is about their ego's, not president TRUMPS.  lol. They want another pantywaist, limp wristed president? 
I don't.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

Said it in June, 2015 and I'll say it again... Donald Trump is a profound gift to the nation from God.  The Man for the times.

Anybody willing to take their nose off the bark should be able to see it.     
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 13, 2018, 11:23:28 PM
   TOS is at 98% when they reach their quota can we trade this one back for a couple of draft picks to be determined later? 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on September 13, 2018, 11:25:31 PM
@INVAR
BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion, displayed by Republicans in general.

Date Registered: June 30, 2018, 12:08:10 AM


 :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 13, 2018, 11:32:26 PM
   TOS is at 98% when they reach their quota can we trade this one back for a couple of draft picks to be determined later?
Onyx please.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 13, 2018, 11:46:37 PM
    @Jazzhead in case your haven't noticed (I sure did), you've been pushed off the Train.



I hate when you do that @corbe and you always do it.

You are trying to start trouble because you can't stand it when two members support Trump.

@Jazzhead and I are not arguing about that.  We are arguing because he thinks Trump will have to change his personality or be defeated.

I would like for Trump to be more like Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush in his personal behavior.  Because I'm arguing with Jazz about this doesn't mean I wouldn't likeTrump better personally if he modified his tweets or stopped them.

But we may both be wrong about that because Trump is NOT losing popularity; he is gaining it and his behavior hasn't changed an iota.

A lot of people think Trump is right to tweet and that he needs to tweet to get his viewpoint out daily beyond a media that hates him and lies about him constantly.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 13, 2018, 11:52:30 PM
Said it in June, 2015 and I'll say it again... Donald Trump is a profound gift to the nation from God.  The Man for the times.

Anybody willing to take their nose off the bark should be able to see it.     



 034 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 13, 2018, 11:57:13 PM
@INVAR
Date Registered: June 30, 2018, 12:08:10 AM


 :shrug:


Dear Lord...I said I messed up previous quote.

 Then I tried to fix it.  Still did not get it all.  Not my words. See  the poster I tried to quote, his quote. I figured people could figure it out. I guess not.  Learning this site. Did not see all of the post. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 13, 2018, 11:59:21 PM
I hate when you do that @corbe and you always do it.

You are trying to start trouble because you can't stand it when two members support Trump.

@Jazzhead and I are not arguing about that.  We are arguing because he thinks Trump will have to change his personality or be defeated.

I would like for Trump to be more like Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush in his personal behavior.  Because I'm arguing with Jazz about this doesn't mean I wouldn't likeTrump better personally if he modified his tweets or stopped them.

But we may both be wrong about that because Trump is NOT losing popularity; he is gaining it and his behavior hasn't changed an iota.

A lot of people think Trump is right to tweet and that he needs to tweet to get his viewpoint out daily beyond a media that hates him and lies about him constantly.

   @Emjay my dear, I am not trying to stir $hit up, being a regular here I have noticed @Jazzhead take a decidedly turn away from the TRUMP endearment of before the last few weeks.  I like the guy regardless, but he's been catching hell now.   I think it was @Maj. Bill Martin a couple of days ago that convinced me Trump ain't gonna change, accept that and move on.

    I still think Jazzy has been hit in the head with too many lanterns, though.  Which begs the question,Were you around Trains a lot growing up?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 14, 2018, 12:00:00 AM
I hate when you do that @corbe and you always do it.

You are trying to start trouble because you can't stand it when two members support Trump.

@Jazzhead and I are not arguing about that.  We are arguing because he thinks Trump will have to change his personality or be defeated.

I would like for Trump to be more like Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush in his personal behavior.  Because I'm arguing with Jazz about this doesn't mean I wouldn't likeTrump better personally if he modified his tweets or stopped them.

But we may both be wrong about that because Trump is NOT losing popularity; he is gaining it and his behavior hasn't changed an iota.

A lot of people think Trump is right to tweet and that he needs to tweet to get his viewpoint out daily beyond a media that hates him and lies about him constantly.



 :thumbsup:  I love my president TRUMP...just the way he is.  HUMAN.  Oh & correct.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 14, 2018, 12:05:21 AM
   If I was still fertile I'd certainly want to have his baby, too.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2018, 12:08:31 AM
   If I was still fertile I'd certainly want to have his baby, too.

Bless your heart!    :beer:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 14, 2018, 12:13:34 AM

Dear Lord...I said I messed up previous quote.

 Then I tried to fix it.  Still did not get it all.  Not my words. See  the poster I tried to quote, his quote. I figured people could figure it out. I guess not.  Learning this site. Did not see all of the post.

You lied, got caught.

Now spinning and dancing to new lies to cover your previous lie.

But be proud.

You lie simply to lie and get a reaction, just like the political messiah you worship.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 14, 2018, 12:47:43 AM
   @Emjay my dear, I am not trying to stir $hit up, being a regular here I have noticed @Jazzhead take a decidedly turn away from the TRUMP endearment of before the last few weeks.  I like the guy regardless, but he's been catching hell now.   I think it was @Maj. Bill Martin a couple of days ago that convinced me Trump ain't gonna change, accept that and move on.

    I still think Jazzy has been hit in the head with too many lanterns, though.  Which begs the question,Were you around Trains a lot growing up?

Ha, ha @corbe   Well, my daddy worked for the railroad; what's your excuse?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 14, 2018, 12:53:28 AM
   I didn't have a vote @Emjay

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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 14, 2018, 02:17:00 AM
Did you find those Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C helpful at all? I think we talked about that some time ago.

I didn't because I had some good vitamin C at the time.  I had forgotten about this. I might get some now though.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 14, 2018, 02:19:13 AM
Great to hear @Chosen Daughter!

May God continue to bless!

Thank you Bigun.  May the Lord continue to bless you also!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 14, 2018, 08:51:10 AM
No, corbe.  Jazzhead is still on the train but he has to sit in the back for a while until he gets over two ridiculous notions.

One is that Trump will ruin everything if he doesn't 'change.'

Two is that Trump needs to change.

Well, these "ridiculous notions" will be proven or disproven definitively in less than two months.   What I do know is the generic ballot question - will you vote for a Republican or a Dem for Congress -  has been trending badly for the last several months.   The gap between the GOP and the Dems on this polling question is currently at the widest point it's been this election cycle.

That doesn't make sense if you consider the excellent state the economy's in.   By all conventional logic,  the GOP should get credit for prosperity,  but instead more and more appear to, at least as a generic matter, prefer Dems.    The same Dems that are tripping over themselves rushing to the socialist left. 

The only explanation is the unity of message between Trump and the Democratic party that this election isn't about the economy but rather Trump himself.    Trump is betting his entire Presidency - and the prosperity of us all - on his selfish need for validation.   

@Emjay
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 14, 2018, 09:21:12 AM
That doesn't make sense if you consider the excellent state the economy's in.   By all conventional logic,  the GOP should get credit for prosperity,  but instead more and more appear to, at least as a generic matter, prefer Dems.   

Your source, please.  And your reasoning for why you believe it.  Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.

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The only explanation is the unity of message between Trump and the Democratic party that this election isn't about the economy but rather Trump himself.    Trump is betting his entire Presidency - and the prosperity of us all - on his selfish need for validation.   

Take a look at the root of this dynamic.  For Christsake the WP blamed the President for a hurricane.  Up next on Mueller's to do list is an interview with the President's date to the senior prom.

If you really, honestly want this election to be about the economy, why don't you try spending half the amount of time talking about *this* instead of the claptrap about the President's demeanor and how it offends your oh-so-delicate feelings? 

Why not try pumping up the President's agenda and accomplishments instead of tearing down the man behind the "I care so very much about our winning" bullshit? 

When it comes to the problems you wring your hands over, you are ground zero.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2018, 09:26:34 AM
Your source, please.  And your reasoning for why you believe it.  Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.

Take a look at the root of this dynamic.  For Christsake the WP blamed the President for a hurricane.  Up next on Mueller's to do list is an interview with the President's date to the senior prom.

If you really, honestly want this election to be about the economy, why don't you try spending half the amount of time talking about *this* instead of the claptrap about the President's demeanor and how it offends your oh-so-delicate feelings? 

Why not try pumping up the President's agenda and accomplishments instead of tearing down the man behind the "I care so very much about our winning" bullshit? 

When it comes to the problems you wring your hands over, you are ground zero.

Excellent POV, @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 14, 2018, 09:55:21 AM
Your source, please.  And your reasoning for why you believe it.  Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.

He told you the source.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 14, 2018, 10:08:11 AM
Your source, please.  And your reasoning for why you believe it.  Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.

Take a look at the root of this dynamic.  For Christsake the WP blamed the President for a hurricane.  Up next on Mueller's to do list is an interview with the President's date to the senior prom.

If you really, honestly want this election to be about the economy, why don't you try spending half the amount of time talking about *this* instead of the claptrap about the President's demeanor and how it offends your oh-so-delicate feelings? 

Why not try pumping up the President's agenda and accomplishments instead of tearing down the man behind the "I care so very much about our winning" bullshit? 

When it comes to the problems you wring your hands over, you are ground zero.

What bullshit.   My oh-so-delicate feelings are irrelevant, @Right_in_Virginia ;  I'm voting GOP in spite of Trump, not because of him.  What's at stake is the millions of us who like what's happening with the economy, but view the President as mired in chaos and self-absorption.   Those are the voters who are going to decide this fall's elections,  and it is that cohort that Trump - and his sycophant supporters like yourself - don't want to acknowledge or accommodate (indeed, your response is to belittle and insult!).    Instead,  Trump doubles down by insisting this election be a referendum on himself.

May God forbid that he gets what he wishes for.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 12:07:07 PM
I hate when you do that @corbe and you always do it.

You are trying to start trouble because you can't stand it when two members support Trump.

@Jazzhead and I are not arguing about that.  We are arguing because he thinks Trump will have to change his personality or be defeated.

I would like for Trump to be more like Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush in his personal behavior.  Because I'm arguing with Jazz about this doesn't mean I wouldn't likeTrump better personally if he modified his tweets or stopped them.

 

@corbe  @Emjay @Jazzhead

NONE of you "get it". IF Trump were to screw up and become like Reagan or that drunken cokehead homosexual from Texas,HE WOULD JUST BE ONE MORE POLITICIAN TRYING TO SWAP DEALS WITH THE DIMS.

He is PERFECT as what he is now,a NON-POLITICIAN/ANTI-POLITICIAN who doesn't give a damn whose toes he steps on or who he pisses off BECAUSE he is a Billionaire and can't be bought. BECAUSE he is a Billionaire he is NOT looking to make deals for personal advantage,or for the advantage of his big-buck supporters so he can get elected the next time.

ALL Trump cares about is his ego,and how he goes down in the history books. Will he be written off as another who compromises the nation and our way of life for personal profits and power,or will he be described as an effective President that "Made America Great Again"? That is ALL he cares about and that is WHY he "ain't playing the political game like a professional pol.

Our system has became so politically corrupted during the 20th Century do ANY of you SERIOUSLY think that "more of the same" is going to change anything?

Nope,what we need is a verbal bomb-thrower that doesn't go along to get along with the professional white collar criminals we call "politicians"

And trust me,Trump has spent his whole life having to bribe those people to get them to do what they are already being paid to do after being elected or appointed to their jobs,so chances are he is even more pissed off about all the professional corruption than any of us are.

Not only that,but he grew up hearing from his father how he and his grandfather both had to bribe public officials to get them to do the things they were already being paid to do,and how they were protected by the politicians they gave a cut of the take to.

BTW,this is one reason the professional pols in both branches of the Ruling Party hate Trump so much. They KNOW he has broken the law by paying them bribes in the past,but there is no way they can accuse him of it without admitting to guilt themselves,and they know all Trump would have to do to defend himself would be demand time on  prime time tv stations to tell the public those politicians made paying them bribes a part of any deal made,and THAT is why it costs the public so much to get anything done.

A non-political president is our only hope because anyone else would make compromise after compromise to the point where all we would have is more of the same until a corporate board is appointed to run the country and voting by common people is no longer allowed.

Ironic how the movers and shakers are using anarchy to create their dream police state,ain't it?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 02:12:32 PM
@corbe  @Emjay @Jazzhead

NONE of you "get it". IF Trump were to screw up and become like Reagan or that drunken cokehead homosexual from Texas,HE WOULD JUST BE ONE MORE POLITICIAN TRYING TO SWAP DEALS WITH THE DIMS.

He is PERFECT as what he is now,a NON-POLITICIAN/ANTI-POLITICIAN who doesn't give a damn whose toes he steps on or who he pisses off BECAUSE he is a Billionaire and can't be bought. BECAUSE he is a Billionaire he is NOT looking to make deals for personal advantage,or for the advantage of his big-buck supporters so he can get elected the next time.

LOL! That's one helluva spin you're throwin @sneakypete

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ALL Trump cares about is his ego,and how he goes down in the history books. Will he be written off as another who compromises the nation and our way of life for personal profits and power,or will he be described as an effective President that "Made America Great Again"? That is ALL he cares about and that is WHY he "ain't playing the political game like a professional pol.

Our system has became so politically corrupted during the 20th Century do ANY of you SERIOUSLY think that "more of the same" is going to change anything?

You are under the delusion that there is nothing in-between those two points, when there is. It's called Conservatism, and it works every time it's tried.

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Nope,what we need is a verbal bomb-thrower that doesn't go along to get along with the professional white collar criminals we call "politicians"

And trust me,Trump has spent his whole life having to bribe those people to get them to do what they are already being paid to do after being elected or appointed to their jobs,so chances are he is even more pissed off about all the professional corruption than any of us are.

Not only that,but he grew up hearing from his father how he and his grandfather both had to bribe public officials to get them to do the things they were already being paid to do,and how they were protected by the politicians they gave a cut of the take to.

Again more wishful  thinking, without evidence. What IS evident is that he did indeed spend his whole life neck deep in that very effluent, among the very affluent people you claim he can't stand. He plays golf with them. He eats with them. Many of them he has known his whole life.

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BTW,this is one reason the professional pols in both branches of the Ruling Party hate Trump so much. They KNOW he has broken the law by paying them bribes in the past,but there is no way they can accuse him of it without admitting to guilt themselves,and they know all Trump would have to do to defend himself would be demand time on  prime time tv stations to tell the public those politicians made paying them bribes a part of any deal made,and THAT is why it costs the public so much to get anything done.

LOL! More abracadabera. More likely is he has dirt on them. He's just as dirty as they are, and he has played this same game the whole time. how the hell does he come out of it with this glowing halo?

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A non-political president is our only hope because anyone else would make compromise after compromise to the point where all we would have is more of the same until a corporate board is appointed to run the country and voting by common people is no longer allowed.

You mean like the compromise that got us yet another massive porkulous bill? you mean like that?

Rose colored glasses, the whole way Pete...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 14, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
Again more wishful  thinking, without evidence. What IS evident is that he did indeed spend his whole life neck deep in that very effluent, among the very affluent people you claim he can't stand. He plays golf with them. He eats with them. Many of them he has known his whole life.

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(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2018/04/25/bill-clinton-casually-encouraged-trump-to-run-for-president-before-2016-race-book/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1524681103260.jpg)

(https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2011/04/11/9036dcca-a643-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/thumbnail/620x350/58ee255a29a33ac87f8a5df3ea48d6d6/trump_vip_golf_81931414.JPG)

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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 02:54:58 PM
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LOL! That's one helluva spin you're throwin @sneakypete

I can lead you to water......

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You are under the delusion that there is nothing in-between those two points, when there is. It's called Conservatism, and it works every time it's tried.

How would you know? You believe in miracles.

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Again more wishful  thinking, without evidence.

Says someone who is still upset because his alleged Republican party creature lost to Trump.

 
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What IS evident is that he did indeed spend his whole life neck deep in that very effluent, among the very affluent people you claim he can't stand. He plays golf with them. He eats with them. Many of them he has known his whole life.

Jealousy is never pretty,but rarely that out in the open and raw.

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LOL! More abracadabera. More likely is he has dirt on them. He's just as dirty as they are, and he has played this same game the whole time. how the hell does he come out of it with this glowing halo?

Maybe you could get your pal Jesus to come down and save us all? Or isn't he answering your phone calls? Try giving your religious gooroo more generous contributions and see if that helps.

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You mean like the compromise that got us yet another massive porkulous bill? you mean like that?

Yeah,causen we all nos dat presidents bees dictators and haz total control over budgets,huh? Just how freaking old are you,anyway?

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Rose colored glasses, the whole way Pete...

I think there is more to it than that,but I guess you could try taking them off to see if things get any clearer.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 02:56:34 PM
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Class jealousy is just as ugly as any other jealousy.

TRUMP IS RICH AND HAS BEEN SEEN SOCIALIZING WITH OTHER RICH PEOPLE!

EEEK! EEEK! EEEK!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2018, 02:56:39 PM


I've had pictures taken like that with people my entire professional life.  It doesn't mean shit to anybody who understand how business...at that level...is conducted.

I believe today, President Trump would stop to pick up Bubba....walking down a dark road in the rain.   

Believe he'd drive right by Hillary and never look back.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 14, 2018, 02:57:07 PM
Said it in June, 2015 and I'll say it again... Donald Trump is a profound gift to the nation from God.  The Man for the times.

Anybody willing to take their nose off the bark should be able to see it.     

@DCPatriot   "The Lord works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform." 

That is not actually from the Bible but it is a common saying used to describe things we can't understand.

I'm not sure but I do believe that Trump is the right man for the current time.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 14, 2018, 02:59:25 PM
I've had pictures taken like that with people my entire professional life.  It doesn't mean shit to anybody who understand how business...at that level...is conducted.

I believe today, President Trump would stop to pick up Bubba....walking down a dark road in the rain.   

Believe he'd drive right by Hillary and never look back.

But look at that last picture @INVAR posted.  It kinda refutes what some people around here keep saying ... that Trump wasn't around his kids when they were growing up.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 14, 2018, 03:01:22 PM
Anybody willing to take their nose off the bark should be able to see it.     

Are you accusing us of being just a bunch of tree huggers?

Well, I never!

(Actually, I just never heard your saying before now.)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 03:02:25 PM
I've had pictures taken like that with people my entire professional life.  It doesn't mean shit to anybody who understand how business...at that level...is conducted.

I believe today, President Trump would stop to pick up Bubba....walking down a dark road in the rain.   

Believe he'd drive right by Hillary and never look back.

@DCPatriot

We are both wasting our time trying to reason with them. They hate rich people,and the ones they hate the most are the ones that inherited their wealth. They will spend the rest of their lives hating Trump regardless of how well he does as a president. In FACT,if he is judged to be one of the best ones,their heads will explode and they might become suicidal.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 14, 2018, 03:05:16 PM
Well, these "ridiculous notions" will be proven or disproven definitively in less than two months.   What I do know is the generic ballot question - will you vote for a Republican or a Dem for Congress -  has been trending badly for the last several months.   The gap between the GOP and the Dems on this polling question is currently at the widest point it's been this election cycle.

That doesn't make sense if you consider the excellent state the economy's in.   By all conventional logic,  the GOP should get credit for prosperity,  but instead more and more appear to, at least as a generic matter, prefer Dems.    The same Dems that are tripping over themselves rushing to the socialist left. 

The only explanation is the unity of message between Trump and the Democratic party that this election isn't about the economy but rather Trump himself.    Trump is betting his entire Presidency - and the prosperity of us all - on his selfish need for validation.   

@Emjay

You're right, the democrats are not just moving left; they are rushing like lemmings over a cliff to be more left all the time.  And not just left but crazy left.

We all like validation; Trump maybe a little more than most, but the difference is... Trump has earned validation.

I saw a coal worker almost cry on TV this morning in appreciation for Trump's support of the coal industry.  That's just a tiny example of the things Trump is doing to help the economy.

And what about his Supreme Court picks?  Two of the best.



Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2018, 03:07:37 PM
@DCPatriot

We are both wasting our time trying to reason with them. They hate rich people,and the ones they hate the most are the ones that inherited their wealth. They will spend the rest of their lives hating Trump regardless of how well he does as a president. In FACT,if he is judged to be one of the best ones,their heads will explode and they might become suicidal.

@sneakypete

You're a better man than I, Gunga Din!

I scroll past 90% of their posts.  Only time I speak up now is when it gets too stupid.    :laugh:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 14, 2018, 03:29:54 PM
Maybe you could get your pal Jesus to come down and save us all?

Already done.  It's just a matter of either accepting or rejecting the offer.

Class jealousy is just as ugly as any other jealousy.

I have no use for class or caste.  I actually get along better with the dirt poor rather than the snobby rich.  I'm not motivated to persue money.   But that said, I know quite a few self-made millionaires whom no one would even suspect their wealth.  It's the character of people that I am interested in, I can care less what their class or wealth is.


TRUMP IS RICH AND HAS BEEN SEEN SOCIALIZING WITH OTHER RICH PEOPLE!


Birds of a feather and all that.  Craps on the entire insistence that Trump is just like us Joe Sixpacks out here.

We are both wasting our time trying to reason with them. They hate rich people,and the ones they hate the most are the ones that inherited their wealth.

That is as stupid and as intellectually vapid as those Leftists who insist that we hate poor people; people of color and all the other garbage that I see you have adopted for your own use quite well.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 03:35:33 PM
@INVAR

I have no use for class or caste.  I actually get along better with the dirt poor rather than the snobby rich.  I'm not motivated to persue money.   But that said, I know quite a few self-made millionaires whom no one would even suspect their wealth.  It's the character of people that I am interested in, I can care less what their class or wealth is.


Birds of a feather and all that.  Craps on the entire insistence that Trump is just like us Joe Sixpacks out here.

 


ROFLMAO! The second quote above proves my point by contradicting every claim you made in the first one.
 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2018, 03:41:00 PM

ROFLMAO! The second quote above proves my point by contradicting every claim you made in the first one.

See what I mean?   888high58888
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 03:42:06 PM
I can lead you to water......

You mean koolaid.

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How would you know? You believe in miracles.

Naw, Pete... I believe in Yahovah. I don't have to believe in miracles. I am one. And so is my father, and my daughter, and my brother in law. Evidence of God is not hard to find, if you want to find it.

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Says someone who is still upset because his alleged Republican party creature lost to Trump.

Nah. In fact, the guy I voted for wasn't even in the Republican Party.

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Jealousy is never pretty,but rarely that out in the open and raw.

ROTFLMAO!! Jealous of what? I want NONE of all that. It turns my belly to even think of it. Nope, Pete. There ain't a damn thing to be jealous of there.

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Maybe you could get your pal Jesus to come down and save us all? Or isn't he answering your phone calls? Try giving your religious gooroo more generous contributions and see if that helps.

Funny you should mention that. Soon.

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Yeah,causen we all nos dat presidents bees dictators and haz total control over budgets,huh? Just how freaking old are you,anyway?


His staff participated in the construction of that porkulous, and his hand signed the bill. You'd have a point if he had vetoed it and  made congress go around him... But he didn't. He owns it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 14, 2018, 03:51:12 PM
Christ. This idiot will have left the party, rejoined it and have died on natural causes before this train wreck thread ends.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 03:53:39 PM
@DCPatriot

We are both wasting our time trying to reason with them. They hate rich people,and the ones they hate the most are the ones that inherited their wealth. They will spend the rest of their lives hating Trump regardless of how well he does as a president. In FACT,if he is judged to be one of the best ones,their heads will explode and they might become suicidal.

And out comes the 'hater' card. Like clockwork, really.

I don't hate rich people. A lot of my friends are rich.... Money is just a way of keeping score in a game I don't play anymore. To measure success by way of wealth is not even on the board. I know how fleeting that can be.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 03:55:23 PM
You're right, the democrats are not just moving left; they are rushing like lemmings over a cliff to be more left all the time.  And not just left but crazy left.


And the so-called right is running right behind them, for the same destination.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 03:57:46 PM
I have no use for class or caste.  I actually get along better with the dirt poor rather than the snobby rich.  I'm not motivated to persue money.   But that said, I know quite a few self-made millionaires whom no one would even suspect their wealth.  It's the character of people that I am interested in, I can care less what their class or wealth is.

That's pretty right.

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Birds of a feather and all that.  Craps on the entire insistence that Trump is just like us Joe Sixpacks out here.

TRUE.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 14, 2018, 04:17:35 PM
Christ. This idiot will have left the party, rejoined it and have died on natural causes before this train wreck thread ends.

 88devil
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 14, 2018, 04:17:57 PM

ROFLMAO! The second quote above proves my point by contradicting every claim you made in the first one.

Does nothing of the sort.  You were the one who made the accusation that we are jealous and hate Trump for his wealth and economic class.  Recognizing his wealth and class is not the same thing as being 'jealous' of it and 'hating it' as you assert and accuse.  And, the entire reason I posted the pics of Trump with the Clinton and his rich Liberal NYC pals was to buttress the point Roamer_1 made:

What IS evident is that he did indeed spend his whole life neck deep in that very effluent, among the very affluent people you claim he can't stand. He plays golf with them. He eats with them. Many of them he has known his whole life.

He was calling another Trumpian bullshit claim, what it was - and the pictures prove the point.

That you and the thin-skinned Trump acolytes knee-jerk to screaming 'Haters!" continues to make the self-evident case that it is getting harder to tell you people apart in behavior from the rabid Left, except by the name of him whom you accolade with hosannas.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 14, 2018, 04:54:22 PM
88devil

Threads decay after too long and this one is rotting.  It's smelling up my office.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 14, 2018, 05:23:53 PM
Threads decay after too long and this one is rotting.  It's smelling up my office.

Then stop digging in it and gulping down morsels you vomit back into it, if it so offends you.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: darroll on September 14, 2018, 06:56:53 PM
My President is fine, sorry about yours. 888mouth
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2018, 07:10:21 PM
My President is fine, sorry about yours. 888mouth

Yeah... I hear the same thing about Dubya and his daddy...

And McCain't and Romney...

Mere Republican-ism.

 **nononono* *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 14, 2018, 08:29:56 PM
Your source, please.  And your reasoning for why you believe it.  Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.

Take a look at the root of this dynamic.  For Christsake the WP blamed the President for a hurricane.  Up next on Mueller's to do list is an interview with the President's date to the senior prom.

If you really, honestly want this election to be about the economy, why don't you try spending half the amount of time talking about *this* instead of the claptrap about the President's demeanor and how it offends your oh-so-delicate feelings? 






Why not try pumping up the President's agenda and accomplishments instead of tearing down the man behind the "I care so very much about our winning" bullshit? 

When it comes to the problems you wring your hands over, you are ground zero.



Agree. Does anyone on here want to change their posting style or personality for others?  NO.  Why would people expect president TRUMP..to change and why?  I love him, just the way he is. I personally, see nothing wrong with him.  I talk the way he does, not P.C. and blunt, so I really, really understand him.  We had the same parents.  wink777

Nothing bothers me about him. Nothing. How many times have people been told, "don't try to change your mate", it will not work.  He is, who he is, and I am proud of him. He is very brave to take on this ungrateful, NO PAY , job.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 14, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
Hey, I did say that maybe the problem was that I hadn't had enough to drink....


Ok.  lol. PEACE.   :kisses2: 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 14, 2018, 09:01:43 PM
Well, these "ridiculous notions" will be proven or disproven definitively in less than two months.   What I do know is the generic ballot question - will you vote for a Republican or a Dem for Congress -  has been trending badly for the last several months.   The gap between the GOP and the Dems on this polling question is currently at the widest point it's been this election cycle.

That doesn't make sense if you consider the excellent state the economy's in.   By all conventional logic,  the GOP should get credit for prosperity,  but instead more and more appear to, at least as a generic matter, prefer Dems.    The same Dems that are tripping over themselves rushing to the socialist left. 

The only explanation is the unity of message between Trump and the Democratic party that this election isn't about the economy but rather Trump himself.    Trump is betting his entire Presidency - and the prosperity of us all - on his selfish need for validation.   

@Emjay



Jazzy,  how about YOU CHANGE?   Go ahead, do it.  If you care for our country, you would need to STOP helping the LEFT with your comments.  OR, just stop, watching all left, lying media, that bad mouth my president TRUMP. Will you do that?  Doubt it, because that means you would have to change.   Now, how, how do you think, your criticism is helping our country or our president, siding with the left?  We have to be smarter, than that.  You don't think enough of the LEFT/DEMS, or left media don't do enough criticizing, you feel you need to pile on?  Be stronger then that!  ****sheep****

They even blame my president now, for the weather!  The Hurricanes.  President TRUMP, is such a GOD. He took a number 4 hurricane down to a one, and saved millions of lives.  I figure if the LEFT are going to blame him for hurricanes, I should give him credit for reducing the stength of the hurricane and saving millions of lives.    333cleo
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 14, 2018, 09:06:44 PM
   You know sometimes @LegalAmerican you make a lot of sense, unfortunately this is not one of those times.   Carry On.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 14, 2018, 09:15:46 PM
@sneakypete

You're a better man than I, Gunga Din!

I scroll past 90% of their posts.  Only time I speak up now is when it gets too stupid.    :laugh:


 :thumbsup:

I put them on ignore. Nothing of value for me, only speaking for myself.  How many times, can someone say, SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY..SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT TRUMP...or you won't have a country.  If they don't understand that, it is useless. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 14, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Threads decay after too long and this one is rotting.  It's smelling up my office.

Must be a pretty good rot smell because here you are, you and Frank.  When I get bored with a thread I don't go post in it helping it to go back to the top.  Another stupid post from you.  Another from Frank. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 14, 2018, 09:27:05 PM

 :thumbsup:

I put them on ignore. Nothing of value for me, only speaking for myself.  How many times, can someone say, SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY..SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT TRUMP...or you won't have a country.  If they don't understand that, it is useless.

And you too.  Why don't you people start your own forum where you can ring each others bells.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 14, 2018, 09:29:16 PM
My President is fine, sorry about yours. 888mouth


Correct!   888high58888

He works for America and takes no pay. He could have stayed in his office, and let the country die. He certainly has enough money. Some people on here, are not logical. I want some acknowledgment too, if I worked for FREE and had LEFT, LYING MEDIA lie about me, slander me since May 2015,,and everyday 24/7! Then the jealous people on here, putting persident down, who has endured death threats, "white powder" sent, K.Griffin and her beheaded, bloody head of president TRUMP. People attacking Barron, his wife Melania, his other grown kids.  Yeah, just for an attaboy ? 

Media will never, never, never give president TRUMP any credit!  How is he supposed to get it, and know his effort, his plans are working, if he does not ask the people, are they happy so far with his efforts.  I have never understood jealously, 
it is a definite LEFT trait.   I see, you DO NOT HAVE IT!  ^5

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 09:33:53 PM
And you too.  Why don't you people start your own forum where you can ring each others bells.

@Chosen Daughter

WOW! I wasn't aware you own this forum!
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 14, 2018, 09:35:29 PM

Correct!   888high58888

He works for America and takes no pay. He could have stayed in his office, and let the country die. He certainly has enough money. Some people on here, are not logical. I want some acknowledgment too, if I worked for FREE and had LEFT, LYING MEDIA lie about me, slander me since May 2015,,and everyday 24/7! Then the jealous people on here, putting persident down, who has endured death threats, "white powder" sent, K.Griffin and her beheaded, bloody head of president TRUMP. People attacking Barron, his wife Melania, his other grown kids.  Yeah, just for an attaboy ? 

Media will never, never, never give president TRUMP any credit!  How is he supposed to get it, and know his effort, his plans are working, if he does not ask the people, are they happy so far with his efforts.  I have never understood jealously, 
it is a definite LEFT trait.   I see, you DO NOT HAVE IT!  ^5


He's not taking pay?  The Trump business is.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 14, 2018, 09:48:33 PM
   IKR @Chosen Daughter I couldn't get past that either in her predicable screed...
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He works for America and takes no pay.

He's a Billionaire (or so he claims), yet America pays for his room and board, transportation, security PLUS enriching his Golf Courses and Hotels, even so far as charging the SS for Golf Cart Rental, oh but he does this $hit without a lousy $400k a year and I'm supposed to be impressed.   :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 14, 2018, 10:26:05 PM
   IKR @Chosen Daughter I couldn't get past that either in her predicable screed...
He's a Billionaire (or so he claims), yet America pays for his room and board, transportation, security PLUS enriching his Golf Courses and Hotels, even so far as charging the SS for Golf Cart Rental, oh but he does this $hit without a lousy $400k a year and I'm supposed to be impressed.   :shrug:

Give it a rest @corbe   He's taking no more or less than any other President.  Both the Clintons and Obama got rich in the office.  I don't think Trump is getting rich in the office.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 14, 2018, 10:33:42 PM
   I agree @Emjay he may well be the first President since Truman to be poorer after being POTUS and I'm hoping that he realizes his Companies, in trust, are hemorrhaging so bad that he'll decide against rerunning and go save his Empire from his kids mismanagement. 
   A boy can dream, right?

   *We'll never know unless Pelosi subpoenas his tax returns next year.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 14, 2018, 10:39:20 PM
   I agree @Emjay he may well be the first President since Truman to be poorer after being POTUS and I'm hoping that he realizes his Companies, in trust, are hemorrhaging so bad that he'll decide against rerunning and go save his Empire from his kids mismanagement. 
   A boy can dream, right?

   *We'll never know unless Pelosi subpoenas his tax returns next year.

Maybe DiFi can find some woman who has a copy of his tax return.  No, you cannot dream silly dreams on this forum.  Wake up, @corbe
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 14, 2018, 10:53:22 PM
    Trump is sitting at 39~45% approval and has weathered the worst hordog $hit that would have killed anyone else. 
    His Achilles Heel is his Finances, that's why he's expended so much Political Capital to protect them and many Briefers predicted this crap would never go away 2 years ago.

    When he brought up the unreported Cruz loan from Goldman Sachs, forcing Cruz to release all his Tax returns and file an amendment with the FEC and a month later saying he would release his SOON, never happened. 

    *Signed,
      Still Butthurt
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 14, 2018, 11:00:48 PM
Give it a rest @corbe   He's taking no more or less than any other President.  Both the Clintons and Obama got rich in the office.  I don't think Trump is getting rich in the office.



No he is not.. He is losing money. They boycotted his products. Same with Ivanka.  This January, we will have saved
800 thousand dollars, by not paying Trump salary. Two years. All other presidents, took the pay. Obama made his underage daughters "ambassadors' and paid them a salary, so now they are millionaires. No Trump, receives any pay. Then Obama wanted Manchell given 10K  a month, just for being first lady. They paid a dog walker 100K a year to walk the dog.
Manchell had 25 personal attendees to help her, get dressed, etc. All prior first Ladys did it, with just a handfull.
I had to stop, just makes me seethe, the injustice to president TRUMP.  This a conservative board?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 14, 2018, 11:13:14 PM

 
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This a conservative board?

   NO, @LegalAmerican it's a Conservative Hub look it up with your SafeSex turned on, preferably.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 15, 2018, 12:15:49 AM
    Trump is sitting at 39~45% approval and has weathered the worst hordog $hit that would have killed anyone else. 
    His Achilles Heel is his Finances, that's why he's expended so much Political Capital to protect them and many Briefers predicted this crap would never go away 2 years ago.

    When he brought up the unreported Cruz loan from Goldman Sachs, forcing Cruz to release all his Tax returns and file an amendment with the FEC and a month later saying he would release his SOON, never happened. 

    *Signed,
      Still Butthurt

We know Trump was a azz to Cruz and his other primary opponents.  That is nothing new.  But Cruz seems to either be over it or has put it aside to advance the interests of the country.

Nobody cares about the tax returns any more, except maybe you and three other people.

I know I don't.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 12:21:36 AM
Give it a rest @corbe   He's taking no more or less than any other President.  Both the Clintons and Obama got rich in the office.  I don't think Trump is getting rich in the office.

I thought you wanted more than a rat?  so happy you're satisfied "conservative."
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: RoosGirl on September 15, 2018, 12:31:02 AM


No he is not.. He is losing money. They boycotted his products. Same with Ivanka.  This January, we will have saved
800 thousand dollars, by not paying Trump salary. Two years. All other presidents, took the pay. Obama made his underage daughters "ambassadors' and paid them a salary, so now they are millionaires. No Trump, receives any pay. Then Obama wanted Manchell given 10K  a month, just for being first lady. They paid a dog walker 100K a year to walk the dog.
Manchell had 25 personal attendees to help her, get dressed, etc. All prior first Ladys did it, with just a handfull.
I had to stop, just makes me seethe, the injustice to president TRUMP.  This a conservative board?

Hey umm....Trump still took the pay, he just donated it to a place of his choosing.  The $800k is not saved.

I'm also pretty sure it's not true that the Obama girls were made ambassadors. And I'm pretty sure they're not millionaires.  But, WTF, go ahead and make shit up.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 15, 2018, 12:34:30 AM
We know Trump was a azz to Cruz and his other primary opponents.  That is nothing new.  But Cruz seems to either be over it or has put it aside to advance the interests of the country.

Nobody cares about the tax returns any more, except maybe you and three other people.

I know I don't.

   I certainly don't care @Emjay I think he's probably 'Toast' already with all this crap simmering in the background, which was the point I was trying to make.   
   Cruz is proving to be a politician after all, much to my dismay, regardless, only because of him will I show up in the Voting booth and vote straight (R), convenient huh?   
   IF he wasn't on the ballot I wouldn't even show, since Abbott and Paxton have it in the bag.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 15, 2018, 12:46:31 AM
   I certainly don't care @Emjay I think he's probably 'Toast' already with all this crap simmering in the background, which was the point I was trying to make.   
   Cruz is proving to be a politician after all, much to my dismay, regardless, only because of him will I show up in the Voting booth and vote straight (R), convenient huh?   
   IF he wasn't on the ballot I wouldn't even show, since Abbott and Paxton have it in the bag.

Thanks @corbe for doing that.  I don't see why you are calling Cruz a 'politician' in a derogatory way.  He has been able to look past whatever butt hurt (as you call it) that he had and work for good even if it means supporting Trump in some things.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 15, 2018, 12:49:49 AM
And @corbe why would you relish (or seem to relish) Trump being toast?  What do you mean by that, and what do you think will happen.

If you think Trump will be impeached, you're wrong and it would be bad for the country.

If you think Republican congressional candidates will lose because of Trump, you are wrong and, again, it's nothing to wish for.

Even Lindsey Graham has become a Trump supporter now that he doesn't have McCain to pal around with.  He even said he wished McCain had been healthy enough to get to know Trump better.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 15, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
   Political Expediency @Emjay and I get it, I'm not necessarily happy about it but will Vote for Him. 
   I believe, as you often say, his time will come, I still trust him and will try to be more patient.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 15, 2018, 01:04:48 AM
   I don't relish the destruction of the Trump Administration at all @Emjay, REALLY, It hurts us all.
   It's just that I, and many others knew that in this MSM predator mode of the 21st century on any (R), which we knew would happen, Trump just had too much baggage and that eventually the drip, drip, drip would become a flood that overwhelmed even his sensibilities.
   If we lose the House I will try and refrain from dumping the blame on Trump, History gives him a way out, besides those ba$bleep are snakes anyway. 
   The glass is always half full, if the Dems take the House, nothing will get done unless Trump moves left and Congress doing nothing is not necessarily a BAD thing.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Jazzhead on September 15, 2018, 09:04:04 AM
   I agree @Emjay he may well be the first President since Truman to be poorer after being POTUS and I'm hoping that he realizes his Companies, in trust, are hemorrhaging so bad that he'll decide against rerunning and go save his Empire from his kids mismanagement. 
   A boy can dream, right?

   *We'll never know unless Pelosi subpoenas his tax returns next year.

I agree with @LegalAmerican about Trump's motives.   I think he's a true citizen-patriot who has put his fortune at risk because he thinks he knows what is best to fix the country.     And that he -and his family - have endured an unprecedented shitstorm because his bark ended up catching the car.   

He has faced implacable opposition that has given him no honeymoon and no quarter.   And he has fought fire with fire,  in the way he knows how.   

The problem is that now that he has been successful,  in a tangible way that has improved the economic lot of millions,  he needs to consolidate what he has accomplished, not squander it.  He is two months away from losing it all, folks.     It is the pivot point of history that we are now in that prompts me to speak up and admonish the man to change, to act Presidential,  to shine a light on the hateful assholes who dog him by exhibiting contrast, by acting better than them and appealing to our better angels rather than our prejudices and fears.       
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 15, 2018, 09:14:23 AM
I agree with @LegalAmerican about Trump's motives.   I think he's a true citizen-patriot who has put his fortune at risk because he thinks he knows what is best to fix the country.     And that he -and his family - have endured an unprecedented shitstorm because his bark ended up catching the car.   

He has faced implacable opposition that has given him no honeymoon and no quarter.   And he has fought fire with fire,  in the way he knows how.   

The problem is that now that he has been successful,  in a tangible way that has improved the economic lot of millions,  he needs to consolidate what he has accomplished, not squander it.  He is two months away from losing it all, folks.     It is the pivot point of history that we are now in that prompts me to speak up and admonish the man to change, to act Presidential,  to shine a light on the hateful assholes who dog him by exhibiting contrast, by acting better than them and appealing to our better angels rather than our prejudices and fears.     

I think you underestimate his ability to "Rally the Troops", @Jazzhead

Personally I think losing the House may teach these ignorant millennials a 'real-time' experience in which party is better for your pocketbooks.

My sights are on 2020, not so much 2018.  Ronald Reagan achieved much with a minority representation.   
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 09:14:53 AM
   IKR @Chosen Daughter I couldn't get past that either in her predicable screed...
He's a Billionaire (or so he claims), yet America pays for his room and board, transportation, security PLUS enriching his Golf Courses and Hotels, even so far as charging the SS for Golf Cart Rental, oh but he does this $hit without a lousy $400k a year and I'm supposed to be impressed.   :shrug:

@corbe @2 Chosen Daughter

Let me see if I have this correct,ok? You want a President of the United States to not only take no pay,but to pay rent for living in the WH,pay for the food he and his family eats,pay the wages of the people who work in the WH,pay for his own transportation,pay the salary and other expenses of the WH Secret Service detail,and no doubt pay depreciation on all the vehicles uses as well as the mechanics salaries?

I would say you lost your mind,but you obviously don't have a mind to lose.

Tell me,did you make the same demands for the Bush Crime Family both times THEY lived in the WH? If not,why not? I know they aren't the evil billionaires ON PAPER that you seem to hate/envy so much,but even you have to admit they are all multi-millionaires. Even "I doan no nutting bout no banking" Neil Bush.

Your envy and hatred have really driven you insane to the point you sound like a Dim Class Warrior.

BTW,you do know that Billy Graham,Pat Robertson,da Pope,and every other Christian leader is stinking rich too,right?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DCPatriot on September 15, 2018, 09:17:31 AM
@corbe

Let me see if I have this correct,ok? You want a President of the United States to not only take no pay,but to pay rent for living in the WH,pay for the food he and his family eats,pay the wages of the people who work in the WH,pay for his own transportation,pay the salary and other expenses of the WH Secret Service detail,and no doubt pay depreciation on all the vehicles uses as well as the mechanics salaries?

I would say you lost your mind,but you obviously don't have a mind to lose.

Tell me,did you make the same demands for the Bush Crime Family both times THEY lived in the WH? If not,why not? I know they aren't the evil billionaires ON PAPER that you seem to hate/envy so much,but even you have to admit they are all multi-millionaires. Even "I doan no nutting bout no banking" Neil Bush.

Your envy and hatred have really driven you insane to the point you sound like a Dim Class Warrior.

LOL!

I think @corbe is just in a helluva slump lately.  The slider is 'killing' him.    :laugh:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 09:19:03 AM
Give it a rest @corbe   He's taking no more or less than any other President.  Both the Clintons and Obama got rich in the office.  I don't think Trump is getting rich in the office.

@corbe

She is FINE with the Clintroids,Obama,and Goober Gore getting insanely wealthy from selling favors while in office. She just objects when someone that puts America first makes money.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
   I certainly don't care @Emjay I think he's probably 'Toast' already with all this crap simmering in the background, which was the point I was trying to make.   
   Cruz is proving to be a politician after all, much to my dismay, regardless, only because of him will I show up in the Voting booth and vote straight (R), convenient huh?   
   IF he wasn't on the ballot I wouldn't even show, since Abbott and Paxton have it in the bag.

@corbe

Here is a thought for you. Quit bending over in front of sissyboys,and you can eliminate the butt hurt. Then again,you ARE a Texas Republican,so you probably enjoy it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 09:36:20 AM
It's hard to believe anyone would want to leave the GOP just as President Trump is about unleash the storm

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1040767177593372672

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NBC News @NBCNews

Next Thursday, FEMA will do its first test of a system that allows the president to send a message to most U.S. cellphones.
6:00 PM - 14 Sep 2018
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 15, 2018, 12:04:42 PM
@corbe @2 Chosen Daughter

Let me see if I have this correct,ok? You want a President of the United States to not only take no pay,but to pay rent for living in the WH,pay for the food he and his family eats,pay the wages of the people who work in the WH,pay for his own transportation,pay the salary and other expenses of the WH Secret Service detail,and no doubt pay depreciation on all the vehicles uses as well as the mechanics salaries?

I would say you lost your mind,but you obviously don't have a mind to lose.

Tell me,did you make the same demands for the Bush Crime Family both times THEY lived in the WH? If not,why not? I know they aren't the evil billionaires ON PAPER that you seem to hate/envy so much,but even you have to admit they are all multi-millionaires. Even "I doan no nutting bout no banking" Neil Bush.

Your envy and hatred have really driven you insane to the point you sound like a Dim Class Warrior.

BTW,you do know that Billy Graham,Pat Robertson,da Pope,and every other Christian leader is stinking rich too,right?

 happy77
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 15, 2018, 12:12:38 PM
Donald Trump has turned out to be the perfect President for this moment in our politics. Let’s just say that he has brought out the insane in people, perfect for setting up a lesson in compare and contrast.  wink777
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 15, 2018, 02:10:48 PM
And @corbe why would you relish (or seem to relish) Trump being toast?  What do you mean by that, and what do you think will happen.

If you think Trump will be impeached, you're wrong and it would be bad for the country.

If you think Republican congressional candidates will lose because of Trump, you are wrong and, again, it's nothing to wish for.

Even Lindsey Graham has become a Trump supporter now that he doesn't have McCain to pal around with.  He even said he wished McCain had been healthy enough to get to know Trump better.

Lindsey Graham is the swamp.  He told Jeff Sessions to recuse himself and then he turns on him calling for his firing.  This is one big mixed up president if he thinks Graham who is a friend of McCain is on his side.  Session is the right man for the job.  It is in his voting record.  He has a history going way back that says he will forward the platform of the president.

If the President wants to tweet about lowlifes in the Republican party Graham would be it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/lindsey-graham-trump-should-replace-sessions-because-relationship-beyond-repair.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/lindsey-graham-trump-should-replace-sessions-because-relationship-beyond-repair.html)

I wouldn't doubt if Graham wants the job himself and his plans are gang of 8


Immigration reformers eye Gang of 8 revival 

Several members of the group that fell short of getting immigration reform into law are ready to try again.


 
 By SEUNG MIN KIM and BURGESS EVERETT
  | 07/05/2016 05:25 AM EDT
 
 
Lindsey Graham doesn't sugarcoat his prediction: Republicans are going to get thrashed in the November election, especially among Latinos. And it’s going to trigger another run at immigration reform in Congress next year, the South Carolina senator says.

“I’ll tell you what I’m going to do in 2017,” the plainspoken GOP deal maker said in a recent interview. “I’m going to take the Gang of Eight bill out, dust it off and ask anybody and everybody who wants to work with me to make it better to do so.”

Graham isn't the only one eyeing a revival of the Gang of Eight, the bipartisan group of senators that shepherded a sweeping immigration bill through the Senate three years ago only to watch it stall in the House a year later. Propelled by a Republican establishment eager to make inroads with minority voters after losing them by steep margins in the 2012 election, it was the closest Congress came in a generation to overhauling the nation’s immigration laws,

Several influential lawmakers see another opening for immigration reform in 2017, especially if Hillary Clinton wins and the GOP takes another hit among Latinos. Mitt Romney was hammered for his “self-deportation” rhetoric four years ago. But that pales in comparison to Donald Trump’s vow to remove 11 million immigrants here illegally and calling Mexicans who cross the border illegally “rapists” and “murderers.”

Gang of Eight leader Chuck Schumer is poised to become majority leader if Democrats take the Senate this year. And the New York senator already said immigration reform would be a top priority, most recently in an interview last week. The recent Supreme Court deadlock that left President Barack Obama’s controversial executive actions on hold demonstrated that, for now, major changes to the nation’s immigration policy will have to come from Capitol Hill.

Republicans are also under increasing pressure to act. Several GOP senators from Latino-heavy states — such as David Perdue of Georgia and Thom Tillis of North Carolina — were elected in 2014 and are eager to dig into the issue.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/immigration-reform-gang-eight-225028 (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/immigration-reform-gang-eight-225028)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 02:50:44 PM
Donald Trump has turned out to be the perfect President for this moment in our politics. Let’s just say that he has brought out the insane in people, perfect for setting up a lesson in compare and contrast.  wink777
I couldn't agree more 888high58888
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 02:54:29 PM
It's hard to believe anyone would want to leave the GOP just as President Trump is about unleash the storm

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1040767177593372672

Oh, swell.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: musiclady on September 15, 2018, 03:13:34 PM
Oh, swell.  *****rollingeyes*****

Most Conservative President ever, that he is.......
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 15, 2018, 03:17:38 PM
Oh, swell.  *****rollingeyes*****

The system has been in place for years.  I'm surprised that they're just now testing it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 03:26:53 PM
Please, please PLEASE give me mercy and tell me I can add him to the auto-reject list...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 15, 2018, 03:29:41 PM
Please, please PLEASE give me mercy and tell me I can add him to the auto-reject list...

Nope, I tried when the big 0 was in office, and found that it is automatic and the notification setting can't be changed.  Now, if you find a way around it, I would be very interested in knowing that.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 03:30:30 PM
Nope, I tried when the big 0 was in office, and found that it is automatic and the notification setting can't be changed.  Now, if you find a way around it, I would be very interested in knowing that.

Turn off the phone?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 15, 2018, 03:31:30 PM
Turn off the phone?

And, then how would I use it? 

Edited to add:  and, it's my damn phone.  I pay for it, I pay for the service, why shouldn't I be able to turn off missives from the White House if I want to?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
And, then how would I use it?

I was joking...

I've resisted being tethered to a "smart phone" for a long, long time... I just bought one a few days ago...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 15, 2018, 03:36:55 PM
I was joking...

I've resisted being tethered to a "smart phone" for a long, long time... I just bought one a few days ago...

And, how's it going so far?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 03:42:16 PM
Nope, I tried when the big 0 was in office, and found that it is automatic and the notification setting can't be changed.  Now, if you find a way around it, I would be very interested in knowing that.

Shit.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 03:43:45 PM
I was joking...

I've resisted being tethered to a "smart phone" for a long, long time... I just bought one a few days ago...

@DB
Heh. Me too. My last lady-friend insisted. And now I am stuck with it.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
And, how's it going so far?

I guess okay. I find it disturbing that I get unsolicited text messages asking for feedback everywhere I go... Go to the grocery store, get a text message asking about your visit... I've attempted to turn that off. I'm not sure I have yet or if I did what the additional consequences are.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 04:03:38 PM
I guess okay. I find it disturbing that I get unsolicited text messages asking for feedback everywhere I go... Go to the grocery store, get a text message asking about your visit... I've attempted to turn that off. I'm not sure I have yet or if I did what the additional consequences are.

Just turn off location... But you have to watch it... the sneaky bastards turn it back on again from time to time.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 04:09:16 PM
Just turn off location... But you have to watch it... the sneaky bastards turn it back on again from time to time.

There's apparently more to that on an Android. Apparently it is "Wi-Fi Scanning" that needs to be turned off. That is how the stores know you're visiting and where you go in the store.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: aligncare on September 15, 2018, 04:12:55 PM
I couldn't agree more 888high58888

I gave you that one.  888high58888
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 04:17:22 PM
There's apparently more to that on an Android. Apparently it is "Wi-Fi Scanning" that needs to be turned off. That is how the stores know you're visiting and where you go in the store.

Well, I have a droid, and it scans for wiffy service... but with location off, it no longer sends me any unsolicited junk from the stores I visit.

Funny the first time that happened to me... I was outside of a Panda Express... My GF went inside to buy... I never even entered the dang building, nor was my name on any purchase. Yet I was offered to comment and rate my Panda Express experience... Freaked me right out, that did.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 15, 2018, 04:26:01 PM
I was joking...

I've resisted being tethered to a "smart phone" for a long, long time... I just bought one a few days ago...

In two weeks you won't be able to imagine leaving home without it.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 15, 2018, 04:27:01 PM
There's apparently more to that on an Android. Apparently it is "Wi-Fi Scanning" that needs to be turned off. That is how the stores know you're visiting and where you go in the store.

I am very sorry to tell you this, but the stores do not care.  You're just not that important.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 15, 2018, 04:31:46 PM
I guess okay. I find it disturbing that I get unsolicited text messages asking for feedback everywhere I go... Go to the grocery store, get a text message asking about your visit... I've attempted to turn that off. I'm not sure I have yet or if I did what the additional consequences are.

You got an Iphone?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 04:33:46 PM
I gave you that one.  888high58888
Thanx for that.  For a minute I almost thought I made a good point.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 04:34:53 PM
In two weeks you won't be able to imagine leaving home without it.

I can sure as heck imagine it - For all the reasons it took me so long to get one, which, as it turns out, were all true. I HATE the bloody thing. But now I can't rub it off. Too many of my clients got the number now, and I have to be at the other end.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 15, 2018, 04:50:19 PM
I can sure as heck imagine it - For all the reasons it took me so long to get one, which, as it turns out, were all true. I HATE the bloody thing. But now I can't rub it off. Too many of my clients got the number now, and I have to be at the other end.

You'll live.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 04:50:29 PM
I am very sorry to tell you this, but the stores do not care.  You're just not that important.

I don't know what you're trying to say, but in fact it is the stores sending me unsolicited messages asking to rate my experience there.

So it is self evident "they care" or they wouldn't be doing it.

The only thing I'm trying to do is block their unsolicited messages. Yet you want to tell me how "you're just not that important" as some sort of ding on me for attempting to block their messages... Why are you so nasty all the time?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 04:57:01 PM
You'll live.

No, that isn't living. In fact, its a poor imitation. Since I have been 'connected', I get a butt-load of texts, but my kids have not actually been to my house a single time since... Nor have I been to my mother's but a handful of times. It serves as a poor excuse for personal interaction.

I absolutely hate the damnable thing.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 04:57:40 PM
I don't know what your trying to say, but in fact it is the stores sending me unsolicited messages asking to rate my experience there.

So it is self evident "they care" or they wouldn't be doing it.

The only thing I'm trying to do is block their unsolicited messages. Yet you want to tell me how "you're just not that important" as some sort of ding on me for attempting to block their messages... Why are you so nasty all the time?
It's my nature said the scorpion.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 05:03:51 PM
No, that isn't living. In fact, its a poor imitation. Since I have been 'connected', I get a butt-load of texts, but my kids have not actually been to my house a single time since... Nor have I been to my mother's but a handful of times. It serves as a poor excuse for personal interaction.

I absolutely hate the damnable thing.

I use to only work at home so a mobile phone wasn't really needed. Now I spend part of my time at my business's office and I need it for that. I'm also really bad at time and forgetting future appointments. This greatly helps with that issue. So that's why I finally got a "smart" one.

Otherwise I really hate the tethered feeling and all my movements being tracked and recorded to target me for marketing purposes.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 15, 2018, 05:15:59 PM
I don't know what you're trying to say, but in fact it is the stores sending me unsolicited messages asking to rate my experience there.

So it is self evident "they care" or they wouldn't be doing it.

The only thing I'm trying to do is block their unsolicited messages. Yet you want to tell me how "you're just not that important" as some sort of ding on me for attempting to block their messages... Why are you so nasty all the time?

I've had an iPhone for years and I have gone into stores for years.  I have NEVER had an unsolicited message from any establishment I've gone into.  Never.

AS to why I'm so nasty all the time ... I'm not sure.  I don't mean to be and I'm sorry. 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 05:17:12 PM
I use to only work at home so a mobile phone wasn't really needed. Now I spend part of my time at my business's office and I need it for that. I'm also really bad at time and forgetting future appointments. This greatly helps with that issue. So that's why I finally got a "smart" one.

Otherwise I really hate the tethered feeling and all my movements being tracked and recorded to target me for marketing purposes.

Yeah I get it... Me too. I am so very 'plugged in' at my home office that getting away from it any way I could was my solitude. Now, there is nowhere I can go locally where that infernal connectedness cannot follow me... Thus no solitude at all.

And like you, I am governed by my PIM... And I am horrid with time once I get free of it. Since I pushed my calendar onto google, to get the seamless sync between devices, and in doing so, broke tasking (I am a ToDo list kind of guy, more than appts.), the Google Assistant reminders have become a poor substitute.

It is a very undesirable alliance.

But I can tell you this - If I have to put up with unsolicited texts from Tumpy the Clown, the damn thing's going in the river, I guarantee.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 05:19:38 PM
I've had an iPhone for years and I have gone into stores for years.  I have NEVER had an unsolicited message from any establishment I've gone into.  Never.

AS to why I'm so nasty all the time ... I'm not sure.  I don't mean to be and I'm sorry.

Thank you for that. I accept.

Either you or someone else wisely configured your phone not to do that. I know both Android and Apple phones normally do receive unsolicited messages from stores when you visit (or even get close to) them. It is pretty disturbing when it happens to you.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 05:21:31 PM
But I can tell you this - If I have to put up with unsolicited texts from Tumpy the Clown, the damn thing's going in the river, I guarantee.

LOL!

I'll have to cross that bridge if I get there...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 05:27:36 PM
LOL!

I'll have to cross that bridge if I get there...

You don't have to cross the bridge... you can pitch it from the bank... Jussayin... ;)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 15, 2018, 05:52:07 PM
   Beto sent me an unsolicited txt last night asking if I would vote for him, I replied that I'm illegal and was under the impression that Beto was the only Legal vote I could make, they responded this morning that they would make a note of that.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Sanguine on September 15, 2018, 06:05:07 PM
   Beto sent me an unsolicited txt last night asking if I would vote for him, I replied that I'm illegal and was under the impression that Beto was the only Legal vote I could make, they responded this morning that they would make a note of that.

LOL.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 06:11:55 PM
(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)

ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS

I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes.  This is very, very important info.  It may cause a lot of Trump bashers to re-think everything concerning their animosity toward Trump. 

***

I want to start off this post by saying that relatively few Americans (fewer than 40%) seem to have figured out where Trump really stands concerning the mess of the Deep State Swamp.  Trump bashers who insinuate that he is just another part of the Swamp rank among the most confused of all, in my sober opinion. 

(I will cheerfully admit that on the day of Trump’s inauguration, January 20, 2017, I felt the same way.  I was as angry as my friend INVAR was, even if I was slightly less blunt than INVAR was/is with my own flamethrowing.  :whistle:       Over the past year, however, I have gotten completely unconfused.  I hope some of my friends on TBR can have the same epiphany I have had—which is the reason for this post, of course.)   

An even smaller percentage of Americans (probably fewer than 5%) have gotten even a meaningful glimmer of the Trump administration’s plans for destroying the Deep State.  You will hear a lot about the Deep State on Fox News but essentially nothing about Trump’s detailed plans regarding the Deep State.

(Trump himself uses certain unorthodox communications channels [for example, the entity known as  “Qanon” or simply “Q”, a mysterious online entity that is strangely but obviously posting in close coordination with Trump himself] to leak out certain features of his Plan;  however, the leaks are carefully, even cryptically worded—ostensibly for reasons of national security or occasionally even designed as deliberate misdirection to cause confusion and/or panic on the part of the Deep State’s bad actors.  The Q project, then, is essentially a military-style PsyOps project.

In other words, Q’s posts are intended to reassure thoughtful but understandably impatient conservatives that Trump does have a plan for destroying the Deep State;  at the same time, Q’s posts are not designed to provide a completely clear road map, a map known to only ten souls in the entire Trump administration anyway.  [As a matter of fact, the figure of ten souls is the figure revealed by Q himself, who said that all but three of the ten are members of the U.S. MILITARY.]) 

Shockingly few voters are aware of the Executive Orders, much less their contents, promulgated and published by President Trump in late December of 2017 (Declaration of a State of National Emergency concerning Human Rights Abuses or Corruption) and in the first quarter of 2018 (concerning protocols in the Code of Military Justice for handling lawful prosecutions of civilians).  I don’t recall these EOs being even mentioned on Fox News, much less expounded for the public.  For one reason or another, these obviously newsworthy Orders are taboo subjects, despite being published on the White House website.

Nota bene:  The above Executive Orders are not the infamous stuff known as “Secret EOs.”

As a related matter of the public’s uncanny ignorance concerning a now-looming wave of prosecutions, very few voters are even aware of the 50,000 sealed court orders—including sealed indictments—established in our federal court system by Jeff Sessions’s DOJ.  (Yeah, Mr. Magoo has been very, very busy, despite all of the political theater surrounding him about his supposed worthlessness.)  These sealed court orders, formed and sealed at a rate well over 50 times higher than ever before in American history, are listed (without explanatory details, of course) on the federal court system’s website, pacer.gov.  The number is still growing at a rate of about 5,000 per month as of the last time I checked.  As a matter of federal law, the orders/indictments are secret, but their existence in stunningly ominous numbers are by no means secret.  Literally scores of conservative websites have talked about the sealed court orders—and you can bet that the Deep State bad actors are aware of the stuff on pacer.gov—but most conservatives are not very good web researchers, it seems.

For now, that is okay with Trump.  He could talk openly about his Executive Orders concerning our State of National Emergency and about the looming wave of federal/military prosecutions against the Deep State, but that wouldn’t fit his tempo and dynamics at this time.  For now, our POTUS is happy with the smaller army of hardcore zealots recruited by Qanon.  (For that matter, Trump has recently started pushing Q out into the mainstream’s attention.  Hilariously, that has triggered a furious onslaught of MSM attacks against Q as a LARP, as a complete fraud.  Heck, it is axiomatic in war that if you catch a lot of flak, it’s because you are right over the target.  [Well, not always so, but usually so.])

This brings me to my biggest shocker:  Trump quite evidently was recruited to run for the White House by the U.S. military all the way back in 2015.  Almost no one is aware of this military connection, but Trump’s longtime friend, Dr. Jerome Corsi--a splendid investigative journalist, a man with a strong background in intelligence, by the way, and also the author of numerous bestsellers such as Unfit for Command and The Obama Nation--says his own very highly-placed sources in our military leaked this important fact to him.  As the story goes, high-ranking military officers sat down with Trump and painstakingly pieced together riveting evidence that Hillary Clinton was being tasked by a Globalist Cabal to waltz into the White House and utterly destroy the Republic—a matter of horrible death and destruction and enslavement of all survivors in full-blown Socialist tyranny (not just the “soft tyranny” that Obama had been ushering in).

Supposedly, the military officers’ meeting with Trump shocked the living daylights out of him, with his ideology hardening in Constitutional patriotism against his former social/political “friends” overnight.  I believe the sobering meeting with the military leaders largely explains why Trump campaigned so vehemently against the Global Socialists in general and Hillary Clinton in particular.  I believe it also explains why his White House staff is dominated by an unprecedented number of military officers.  (If you don’t believe me, look at some of the White House group photo ops.  The military guys and gals take up most of the slots in the staff.  This has never happened before.  Remember also that Q has said only ten folks are privy to THE PLAN--and seven of them are military.) 

In short, I am pleased to know that Trump's very real and deadly serious War against the Deep State, a war against all enemies foreign and domestic, is being waged by bona fide warriors—by guys and gals who happen to be experts in war.  And I submit that their warfare expertise largely explains why no one notices what is really happening and what will happen to America’s domestic enemies if President Trump survives 2018.)

***

To cap off this post, I urge you to read a transcript of a pretty incredible speech by Trump way back in October of 2016—a speech that shows what you need to know about him right now:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057

It’s the only political speech that I regard as even better, even more important than Reagan’s speech nominating Barry Goldwater in 1964.

If you doubt that Trump is serious about draining the Swamp, you'd better stop scoffing at what he says in the speech he made two years ago.  He has been a very busy POTUS, especially in dealing with the hassles of all-out attacks against him by America's enemies posing as America's saviors.

Anyway, whatever you think about Trump’s overall spiritual state, you can’t tell me that Trump is not a serious patriot, that he's deliberately avoiding what needs to be done.  You can’t keep insisting that he’s just a New York crook, that he’s just part of the Swamp.  If Trump even survives 2018, he is going to see to it that a lot of people get prosecuted and hanged---because that’s what it will take to drain the Swamp.

So, yeah, I’m the NeverTrumper who sat out the 2016 election.  But I was glad to learn in November of 2016 that God had already put his Own plan in place to keep us out of Hillary’s plans.  And I think God made a strangely good choice even though I think Ted Cruz was a better man overall.   I’m persuaded that God would laugh and agree with me about that.  Heck, I probably won’t vote for Trump next time if I don’t have to do so.

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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 06:18:35 PM
Shit.  *****rollingeyes*****

@roamer_1

Here is a suggestion. Turn the damn thing off except for when you want to make a call. That's what I do with my android phone unless I am home. You won't really miss any calls you wanted because they will be in the calls missed box when you turn it back on.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 06:20:44 PM
(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)

ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS

I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes.  This is very, very important info.  It may cause a lot of Trump bashers to re-think everything concerning their animosity toward Trump. 

A liar is a liar. End_of_story.

As to all the other 'before it is news' innuendo, conspiracy, and rumor - I will pay attention when there is actual evidence on the ground. Most of it, @the_doc is bullshit. Waggin tongues with nothing to back it up.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 06:25:14 PM
A liar is a liar. End_of_story.

As to all the other 'before it is news' innuendo, conspiracy, and rumor - I will pay attention when there is actual evidence on the ground. Most of it, @the_doc is bullshit. Waggin tongues with nothing to back it up.

You are just too profane to take seriously.  Go back to your Torah.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 06:25:24 PM
@roamer_1

Here is a suggestion. Turn the damn thing off except for when you want to make a call. That's what I do with my android phone unless I am home. You won't really miss any calls you wanted because they will be in the calls missed box when you turn it back on.

@sneakypete

I can't. When I got it, I made the mistake of letting out the number to my clients. I should have call-fwd'd my business line instead... In any event, txt, and even email is a last gasp emergency method of reaching me, and since I have the damn thing, unless I am out of range, there is no reasonable excuse. If someone's system is down, they will not be forgiving otherwise.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 06:26:34 PM
You are just too profane to take seriously.  Go back to your Torah.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

And btw, it isn't MY Torah.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 06:29:31 PM
You are just too profane to take seriously.  Go back to your Torah.

On second thought, @the_doc How is it that my profanity makes you wrap yourself in 'holier than thou' when the orange clown you follow swears like a muleskinner?

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 15, 2018, 06:31:44 PM
   Beto sent me an unsolicited txt last night asking if I would vote for him, I replied that I'm illegal and was under the impression that Beto was the only Legal vote I could make, they responded this morning that they would make a note of that.

That is sooo good!  I am proud of you.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 06:34:53 PM
@sneakypete

@roamer_1

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I can't. When I got it, I made the mistake of letting out the number to my clients.


You can't return their calls when you turn it back on?

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I should have call-fwd'd my business line instead..
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If you have a business line,why not just get a new phone number for your phone,and then give the biz number to the clients?

AFATG,WTH didn't you just have a cell phone for business clients and one for family and friends to start with? I have a $59.95 android LG that I use ONLY for ebay,PP, and other web deals. If I am not selling something,I leave it turned off. It is also the number I give to people I don't know who insist on having my phone number. I try to remember to turn it on once a month or so to see if I have any calls from numbers I recognize,but usually forget to check it. IIRC,it costs me around 20 bucks a month to keep it "hot",but sometimes I forget and go two or three months with it turned off and no time on the card. When I turn it back on I just buy more minutes then,and still have the same phone number.

The cell phone I carry every day is a $79.99 LG android that has my main number on it,and the only people who get that are my doctors,friends,and others that I might want to hear from occasionally. Sometimes I can go for a whole week and not hear it ring.

Beats the hell out of having somebody I barely know calling me at midnight here just to chat. I have a hard time sleeping,and am NOT amused at being awakened by a BS phone call.

 
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In any event, txt, and even email is a last gasp emergency method of reaching me, and since I have the damn thing, unless I am out of range, there is no reasonable excuse. If someone's system is down, they will not be forgiving otherwise.

I guess if you are on call of some sort,you have no choice,but if it were me I would still have a separate business phone. EVERYBODY needs a day off each week,even people self-employed.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 15, 2018, 06:40:13 PM
On second thought, @the_doc How is it that my profanity makes you wrap yourself in 'holier than thou' when the orange clown you follow swears like a muleskinner?

Because Trump isn't ....................I haven't figured it out yet.  But he...........doesn't need forgiveness.  He is however the one God chose according to many religious leaders.  Just like King Cyrus.  So the prophesy says.  Just read it on TBN.  Or hook up with Jerry Falwell Jr. or Paula White.  They can explain it.  Or you can check with John Hagee who doesn't believe Jews need Jesus.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 06:47:56 PM

I guess if you are on call of some sort,you have no choice,but if it were me I would still have a separate business phone. EVERYBODY needs a day off each week,even people self-employed.

@sneakypete
That's it, right there. It was not a problem when I had no cell phone... Or even the flip-phone I had before this... Everyone knew I forgot it more than I brung it with me.

Even at that, I only let this number to my SOHO businesses that yes, require me to be on-call...
But in a couple of months, pretty much my whole client list has it now... That's the problem with a small town. There ain't  nothing for it. The die is cast.

All I can do now is get gone, out to the sticks, where the dang thing don't work... or be far enough out of town that coming back for a service call isn't reasonable. That is all they'll understand anymore.  :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Emjay on September 15, 2018, 06:50:43 PM
Thank you for that. I accept.

Either you or someone else wisely configured your phone not to do that. I know both Android and Apple phones normally do receive unsolicited messages from stores when you visit (or even get close to) them. It is pretty disturbing when it happens to you.

It would be very disturbing.  Maybe it is your phone.  It has never happened to me.  Maybe you could contact your provider?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 06:54:47 PM
Because Trump isn't ....................I haven't figured it out yet.  But he...........doesn't need forgiveness.  He is however the one God chose according to many religious leaders.  Just like King Cyrus.  So the prophesy says.  Just read it on TBN.  Or hook up with Jerry Falwell Jr. or Paula White.  They can explain it.  Or you can check with John Hagee who doesn't believe Jews need Jesus.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking ain't it? This massive blind spot... And I am to 'Go back to my Torah'. WOW.

@the_doc has long been a friend... But like so many that touch the tar baby, friendship means nothing if you don't kiss the ring.

I think Christians that put their faith in this man are going to get a terrible surprise.

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 07:05:00 PM
Because Trump isn't ....................I haven't figured it out yet.  But he...........doesn't need forgiveness.  He is however the one God chose according to many religious leaders.  Just like King Cyrus.  So the prophesy says.  Just read it on TBN.  Or hook up with Jerry Falwell Jr. or Paula White.  They can explain it.  Or you can check with John Hagee who doesn't believe Jews need Jesus.

Our God is in perfect control of everything.  It's actually pretty awesome to watch what goes on as God's Providence unfolds--even when it's spooky or otherwise disturbing.  I am especially looking forward to the next few weeks.  I'm having a great time.  How about you?

Yeah, I am not surprised at some of the spiritual dingbats that think Trump is just a wonderful guy, even a kind of Savior figure.  I certainly don't think so.  (A lot of the TV evangelists ought to be tossed off the air by their own churches.)  I refused to cast a vote for Trump even when he was running against Hillary.  And as I said, I probably won't vote for him the next time around.  Ah, but if Trump were running against our TBR friend roamer_1, I might very well cast a vote! 888mouth
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 15, 2018, 07:06:40 PM
(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)

ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS

I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes.  This is very, very important info.  It may cause a lot of Trump bashers to re-think everything concerning their animosity toward Trump. 

***

I want to start off this post by saying that relatively few Americans (fewer than 40%) seem to have figured out where Trump really stands concerning the mess of the Deep State Swamp.  Trump bashers who insinuate that he is just another part of the Swamp rank among the most confused of all, in my sober opinion. 

(I will cheerfully admit that on the day of Trump’s inauguration, January 20, 2017, I felt the same way.  I was as angry as my friend INVAR was, even if I was slightly less blunt than INVAR was/is with my own flamethrowing.  :whistle:       Over the past year, however, I have gotten completely unconfused.  I hope some of my friends on TBR can have the same epiphany I have had—which is the reason for this post, of course.)   

An even smaller percentage of Americans (probably fewer than 5%) have gotten even a meaningful glimmer of the Trump administration’s plans for destroying the Deep State.  You will hear a lot about the Deep State on Fox News but essentially nothing about Trump’s detailed plans regarding the Deep State.

(Trump himself uses certain unorthodox communications channels [for example, the entity known as  “Qanon” or simply “Q”, a mysterious online entity that is strangely but obviously posting in close coordination with Trump himself] to leak out certain features of his Plan;  however, the leaks are carefully, even cryptically worded—ostensibly for reasons of national security or occasionally even designed as deliberate misdirection to cause confusion and/or panic on the part of the Deep State’s bad actors.  The Q project, then, is essentially a military-style PsyOps project.

In other words, Q’s posts are intended to reassure thoughtful but understandably impatient conservatives that Trump does have a plan for destroying the Deep State;  at the same time, Q’s posts are not designed to provide a completely clear road map, a map known to only ten souls in the entire Trump administration anyway.  [As a matter of fact, the figure of ten souls is the figure revealed by Q himself, who said that all but three of the ten are members of the U.S. MILITARY.]) 

Shockingly few voters are aware of the Executive Orders, much less their contents, promulgated and published by President Trump in late December of 2017 (Declaration of a State of National Emergency concerning Human Rights Abuses or Corruption) and in the first quarter of 2018 (concerning protocols in the Code of Military Justice for handling lawful prosecutions of civilians).  I don’t recall these EOs being even mentioned on Fox News, much less expounded for the public.  For one reason or another, these obviously newsworthy Orders are taboo subjects, despite being published on the White House website.

Nota bene:  The above Executive Orders are not the infamous stuff known as “Secret EOs.”

As a related matter of the public’s uncanny ignorance concerning a now-looming wave of prosecutions, very few voters are even aware of the 50,000 sealed court orders—including sealed indictments—established in our federal court system by Jeff Sessions’s DOJ.  (Yeah, Mr. Magoo has been very, very busy, despite all of the political theater surrounding him about his supposed worthlessness.)  These sealed court orders, formed and sealed at a rate well over 50 times higher than ever before in American history, are listed (without explanatory details, of course) on the federal court system’s website, pacer.gov.  The number is still growing at a rate of about 5,000 per month as of the last time I checked.  As a matter of federal law, the orders/indictments are secret, but their existence in stunningly ominous numbers are by no means secret.  Literally scores of conservative websites have talked about the sealed court orders—and you can bet that the Deep State bad actors are aware of the stuff on pacer.gov—but most conservatives are not very good web researchers, it seems.

For now, that is okay with Trump.  He could talk openly about his Executive Orders concerning our State of National Emergency and about the looming wave of federal/military prosecutions against the Deep State, but that wouldn’t fit his tempo and dynamics at this time.  For now, our POTUS is happy with the smaller army of hardcore zealots recruited by Qanon.  (For that matter, Trump has recently started pushing Q out into the mainstream’s attention.  Hilariously, that has triggered a furious onslaught of MSM attacks against Q as a LARP, as a complete fraud.  Heck, it is axiomatic in war that if you catch a lot of flak, it’s because you are right over the target.  [Well, not always so, but usually so.])

This brings me to my biggest shocker:  Trump quite evidently was recruited to run for the White House by the U.S. military all the way back in 2015.  Almost no one is aware of this military connection, but Trump’s longtime friend, Dr. Jerome Corsi--a splendid investigative journalist, a man with a strong background in intelligence, by the way, and also the author of numerous bestsellers such as Unfit for Command and The Obama Nation--says his own very highly-placed sources in our military leaked this important fact to him.  As the story goes, high-ranking military officers sat down with Trump and painstakingly pieced together riveting evidence that Hillary Clinton was being tasked by a Globalist Cabal to waltz into the White House and utterly destroy the Republic—a matter of horrible death and destruction and enslavement of all survivors in full-blown Socialist tyranny (not just the “soft tyranny” that Obama had been ushering in).

Supposedly, the military officers’ meeting with Trump shocked the living daylights out of him, with his ideology hardening in Constitutional patriotism against his former social/political “friends” overnight.  I believe the sobering meeting with the military leaders largely explains why Trump campaigned so vehemently against the Global Socialists in general and Hillary Clinton in particular.  I believe it also explains why his White House staff is dominated by an unprecedented number of military officers.  (If you don’t believe me, look at some of the White House group photo ops.  The military guys and gals take up most of the slots in the staff.  This has never happened before.  Remember also that Q has said only ten folks are privy to THE PLAN--and seven of them are military.) 

In short, I am pleased to know that Trump's very real and deadly serious War against the Deep State, a war against all enemies foreign and domestic, is being waged by bona fide warriors—by guys and gals who happen to be experts in war.  And I submit that their warfare expertise largely explains why no one notices what is really happening and what will happen to America’s domestic enemies if President Trump survives 2018.)

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To cap off this post, I urge you to read a transcript of a pretty incredible speech by Trump way back in October of 2016—a speech that shows what you need to know about him right now:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057 (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057)

It’s the only political speech that I regard as even better, even more important than Reagan’s speech nominating Barry Goldwater in 1964.

If you doubt that Trump is serious about draining the Swamp, you'd better stop scoffing at what he says in the speech he made two years ago.  He has been a very busy POTUS, especially in dealing with the hassles of all-out attacks against him by America's enemies posing as America's saviors.

Anyway, whatever you think about Trump’s overall spiritual state, you can’t tell me that Trump is not a serious patriot, that he's deliberately avoiding what needs to be done.  You can’t keep insisting that he’s just a New York crook, that he’s just part of the Swamp.  If Trump even survives 2018, he is going to see to it that a lot of people get prosecuted and hanged---because that’s what it will take to drain the Swamp.

So, yeah, I’m the NeverTrumper who sat out the 2016 election.  But I was glad to learn in November of 2016 that God had already put his Own plan in place to keep us out of Hillary’s plans.  And I think God made a strangely good choice even though I think Ted Cruz was a better man overall.   I’m persuaded that God would laugh and agree with me about that.  Heck, I probably won’t vote for Trump next time if I don’t have to do so.

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I am sorry but this even makes me more worried with the Trump administration.  A shadow type government working behind the scenes.  A government outside the framework of elected officials?  A Trump government of itself?

I will take Sasse and his drain the swamp legislation over some kind of weird behind the scenes government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/01/we-are-q-a-deranged-conspiracy-cult-leaps-from-the-internet-to-the-crowd-at-trumps-maga-tour/?utm_term=.e2f9d2741244 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/01/we-are-q-a-deranged-conspiracy-cult-leaps-from-the-internet-to-the-crowd-at-trumps-maga-tour/?utm_term=.e2f9d2741244)

Wow, I mean wow, can't say I am surprised.  A large part of audience at Trump rally wearing or holding Q signs.  Started by a media poster who claimed to be from the government with security clearance.  And it has grown into some kind of game like the who dunnit.  Or a video game conspiracy only real life with clues?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/aug/03/qanon-and-donald-trump-rallies-whats-about/ (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/aug/03/qanon-and-donald-trump-rallies-whats-about/)

And really if you think about it that is what we have reduced our government to.  A game to figure out who is for us or against us.  Who are the leakers?  Who is after Trump and most importantly who is Q?
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 15, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)

ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS

I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes. 

Meh.

Sorry to disappoint - but the Trump fanatics made all kinds of promises/predictions/prognostications of all the miraculous and incredible dealmaking Trump would do and accomplish the first day he stepped into the Office.

Not only did we learn that Trump was all hat, no cattle - but that his mythical prowess of deal-making was all a sham - as Trump could not even make a deal with his own party to enact his agenda (whatever that actually is).  Repeal ObamaCare, The Wall, Lock Her Up - just empty slogans and rhetoric designed to hoodwink for votes - same as every other inept politician in office.

I guess you can wake us if and when Hillary/Comey/Strozk, Lerner/Obama et., al. with the host of the vile criminal cabal in D.C. that would be the targets of all these secret "sealed" indictments are in orange jumpsuits awaiting arraignment on charges.

Until then - I do not believe any of the claims being made that the "Deep State" actors are about to get drained from "the swamp".  Nope.

I'll believe it AFTER THE FACT.

Not before.

Because as we learned with repealing Obamacare - all the promises and statements made by those in DC to actually getting rid of what is heinous - amounts to a mountain of bullshit.

We get BUPKIS as far as justice and the government boot off our necks are concerned.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 07:32:14 PM
@sneakypete
 

All I can do now is get gone, out to the sticks, where the dang thing don't work... or be far enough out of town that coming back for a service call isn't reasonable. That is all they'll understand anymore.  :shrug:

@roamer_1

Not true. You can buy a cheap phone,get a Trac-Phone account with a different number,and only give that number to friends and family. Preferably with a short list of friends. The casual ones can still call you on the other number,which is now your public number. Keep that one turned on,and turn the other off when you don't want to be bothered.

BTW,I only buy LG phones because they are the only ones I have found that let me receive and make calls inside my steel workshop.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Bigun on September 15, 2018, 07:34:45 PM
@the_doc

You have no idea how I have prayed for God to intervene and restore the Republic He created and I fully trust that will happen if it is His will.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 07:35:45 PM
I'll believe it AFTER THE FACT.

Not before.

Because as we learned with repealing Obamacare - all the promises and statements made by those in DC to actually getting rid of what is heinous - amounts to a mountain of bullshit.

We get BUPKIS as far as justice and the government boot off our necks are concerned.

Well, I can tell already... You're too profane to be taken seriously...
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 07:39:32 PM
@roamer_1

Not true. You can buy a cheap phone,get a Trac-Phone account with a different number,and only give that number to friends and family. Preferably with a short list of friends. The casual ones can still call you on the other number,which is now your public number. Keep that one turned on,and turn the other off when you don't want to be bothered.

BTW,I only buy LG phones because they are the only ones I have found that let me receive and make calls inside my steel workshop.

Meh. That sounds like going further IN, not getting out. Best bet, I think is to run that dang thing over by 'accident', cry 'too costly to replace', and let things go back to normal. Then I can walk to my fishing hole in peace.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 07:43:21 PM
I am sorry but this even makes me more worried with the Trump administration.  A shadow type government working behind the scenes.  A government outside the framework of elected officials?  A Trump government of itself?


Backed by the military, no less. People should be careful what they wish for.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Bigun on September 15, 2018, 07:54:21 PM
Backed by the military, no less. People should be careful what they wish for.

Indeed!  We are already as close to a banana republic as I ever want us to come.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 15, 2018, 07:58:24 PM
Here's the speech @the_doc


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 15, 2018, 08:03:53 PM
   About 4 years ago my ol lady was broke and disgusted in Kentucky and got an obummer phone and that began her slide into paranoia 4 phones later she's so paranoid she takes the battery out when not in use OR it could be BS as to why she never calls me back.   :shrug:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 15, 2018, 08:07:29 PM
Backed by the military, no less. People should be careful what they wish for.

I guess we should be paying attention to the signs and tshirts at the Trump rallies.  Another very strange conspiracy group is the God2.com blacks for Trump.  Actually a murdering cult.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/creator-of-blacks-for-trump-is-former-member-of-murderous-cult (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/creator-of-blacks-for-trump-is-former-member-of-murderous-cult)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSU-JAjmKJjqJtNVlmBAfYedi-K9sT7zwyGFkH7zy7C-qI3ETkX-w)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS18u3_fzAPgDlwymSZ7eJz9dIMJdXKGi2tj25CR9ACFpuKAkoN)

(https://www.charismanews.com/images/stories/2016/10/Donald-Trump-Supporters-Reuters.jpg)

Go ahead give it a try.  Go to God2.com
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 08:16:17 PM
I guess we should be paying attention to the signs and tshirts at the Trump rallies.  Another very strange conspiracy group is the God2.com blacks for Trump.  Actually a murdering cult.

 :shrug:
Anything can happen once principles have been discarded.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 08:24:44 PM
I am sorry but this even makes me more worried with the Trump administration.  A shadow type government working behind the scenes.  A government outside the framework of elected officials?  A Trump government of itself?

I will take Sasse and his drain the swamp legislation over some kind of weird behind the scenes government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/01/we-are-q-a-deranged-conspiracy-cult-leaps-from-the-internet-to-the-crowd-at-trumps-maga-tour/?utm_term=.e2f9d2741244 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/01/we-are-q-a-deranged-conspiracy-cult-leaps-from-the-internet-to-the-crowd-at-trumps-maga-tour/?utm_term=.e2f9d2741244)
I see nothing wrong with Sasse's measures except that they don't achieve proper retributive justice for people who have been plotting together to kill America.  This is why I said that Sasse's ideas are probably good maintenance therapy for America, not curative. 

P.S.  Please see my PM to you.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 08:41:56 PM
@Chosen Daughter
I guess we should be paying attention to the signs and tshirts at the Trump rallies.  Another very strange conspiracy group is the God2.com blacks for Trump.  Actually a murdering cult.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/creator-of-blacks-for-trump-is-former-member-of-murderous-cult (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/creator-of-blacks-for-trump-is-former-member-of-murderous-cult)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSU-JAjmKJjqJtNVlmBAfYedi-K9sT7zwyGFkH7zy7C-qI3ETkX-w)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS18u3_fzAPgDlwymSZ7eJz9dIMJdXKGi2tj25CR9ACFpuKAkoN)

(https://www.charismanews.com/images/stories/2016/10/Donald-Trump-Supporters-Reuters.jpg)

Go ahead give it a try.  Go to God2.com

I'll answer that post only after you respond to my PM, if at all.  For now, suffice it to say that you are paying attention to the wrong sorts of things.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 08:48:19 PM
Meh.

Sorry to disappoint - but the Trump fanatics made all kinds of promises/predictions/prognostications of all the miraculous and incredible dealmaking Trump would do and accomplish the first day he stepped into the Office.

Not only did we learn that Trump was all hat, no cattle - but that his mythical prowess of deal-making was all a sham - as Trump could not even make a deal with his own party to enact his agenda (whatever that actually is).  Repeal ObamaCare, The Wall, Lock Her Up - just empty slogans and rhetoric designed to hoodwink for votes - same as every other inept politician in office.

I guess you can wake us if and when Hillary/Comey/Strozk, Lerner/Obama et., al. with the host of the vile criminal cabal in D.C. that would be the targets of all these secret "sealed" indictments are in orange jumpsuits awaiting arraignment on charges.

Until then - I do not believe any of the claims being made that the "Deep State" actors are about to get drained from "the swamp".  Nope.

I'll believe it AFTER THE FACT.

Not before.

Because as we learned with repealing Obamacare - all the promises and statements made by those in DC to actually getting rid of what is heinous - amounts to a mountain of bullshit.

We get BUPKIS as far as justice and the government boot off our necks are concerned.

I will take that as your apology in advance.  But I'm sure you will want to renew it in public based on the grace that will surely flood your soul. :pondering:
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 15, 2018, 08:52:38 PM
   I want to date a Hooters Girl, too and Good Luck with that #walkaway, Black Thing @the_doc  and granted he needs desperately to expand his base, but I don't think it will make up for the White Conservatives he's been hemorrhaging, since Day One.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 09:01:24 PM
Indeed!  We are already as close to a banana republic as I ever want us to come.

Be of good cheer.  Our military is loyal to the Constitution.  That's important under the circumstance of the mess that we are in.  (When the NYPD found the awful stuff on Weiner's laptop, one purported FBI leaker on the Dark Web said the revelations [e-mails and videos] were so bad that they could trigger a civil war and topple the U.S. government and possibly even start World War Three.  Arresting and prosecuting and punishing bona fide TRAITORS--quite a lot of them--will be necessary but dicey.  That's why Trump is moving slowly and surely.  (Banana Republic dictators and their thugs are not so careful with the peace and safety of their citizenry.)
 
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 09:06:26 PM
   I want to date a Hooters Girl, too and Good Luck with that #walkaway, Black Thing @the_doc  and granted he needs desperately to expand his base, but I don't think it will make up for the White Conservatives he's been hemorrhaging, since Day One.

I have to admit that you are a very witty guy (or gal?).

Anyway, don't fret about the polls one way or the other.  Just wait and see what Trump does between now and the election.

Hey, maybe he really has figured out a painless way to pay off the national debt  tri22
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 15, 2018, 09:16:43 PM
   I rule nothing out with President Trump, the Brilliance nor the Failures.  He is a Ol Man, stuck in his ways, not unlike me.
   Survivors, we are, in spite of the adversity.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: the_doc on September 15, 2018, 09:34:02 PM
   I rule nothing out with President Trump, the Brilliance nor the Failures.  He is a Ol Man, stuck in his ways, not unlike me.
   Survivors, we are, in spite of the adversity.

Good quote there.

(I'm a moderately old man, too, stuck only in my ways of stubborn reasonableness--just like you suggest that you are.)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Quix on September 15, 2018, 09:42:55 PM
Thanks for a great and perceptive post.

Comments below in navy

(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)

ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS

I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes.  This is very, very important info.  It may cause a lot of Trump bashers to re-think everything concerning their animosity toward Trump. 

***

I want to start off this post by saying that relatively few Americans (fewer than 40%) seem to have figured out where Trump really stands concerning the mess of the Deep State Swamp.  Trump bashers who insinuate that he is just another part of the Swamp rank among the most confused of all, in my sober opinion. 


I'm persistently shocked at the level of ignorance of above average informed conservatives. I expect the liberal hidiots to be terminally ignorant. But conservatives--sheesh.


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An even smaller percentage of Americans (probably fewer than 5%) have gotten even a meaningful glimmer of the Trump administration’s plans for destroying the Deep State.  You will hear a lot about the Deep State on Fox News but essentially nothing about Trump’s detailed plans regarding the Deep State.

Certainly this strategy is well within wisdom as well as Sun Tzu's ART OF WAR guidelines Trump tends to follow.

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(Trump himself uses certain unorthodox communications channels [for example, the entity known as  “Qanon” or simply “Q”, a mysterious online entity that is strangely but obviously posting in close coordination with Trump himself] to leak out certain features of his Plan;  however, the leaks are carefully, even cryptically worded—ostensibly for reasons of national security or occasionally even designed as deliberate misdirection to cause confusion and/or panic on the part of the Deep State’s bad actors.  The Q project, then, is essentially a military-style PsyOps project.

I actually believe this is a key part of Trump's success and something that God delights in. God has a habit of using His servant leaders to cut katty-wumpus-across a lot of customs, habits, cultural norms and sensibilities. For one, it tends to discombobulate the opposition to some degree.

More importantly, it puts him closer to the troops/citizens and removes the globalist tyrannical traitors from the middle of the equation. He can say what HE wants vs have the talking heads mangle it. True, he could sometimes be more refined and even a bit more circumspect on some topics and in some situations. However, even in that, I believe God is working out GOD'S will through Trump. A lot of convention is just a nice word for variations on group-think slavery. His jarring, startling, sometimes uncooth statements are great at shaking folks loose from their globalist induced stupor and mindlessness.


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In other words, Q’s posts are intended to reassure thoughtful but understandably impatient conservatives that Trump does have a plan for destroying the Deep State;  at the same time, Q’s posts are not designed to provide a completely clear road map, a map known to only ten souls in the entire Trump administration anyway.  [As a matter of fact, the figure of ten souls is the figure revealed by Q himself, who said that all but three of the ten are members of the U.S. MILITARY.]) 

IIRC, the QTeam has noted that there are "less than 10" --3 of whom are civilians. Perhaps they are 7 ... with POTUS, Melania & Pence = 10? Hard to guess. Certainly the project is designed to avoid too much clarity while generally increasing clarity toward red-pilling for those who are not very well informed--i.e. 90-95% of the populace?


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Shockingly few voters are aware of the Executive Orders, much less their contents, promulgated and published by President Trump in late December of 2017 (Declaration of a State of National Emergency concerning Human Rights Abuses or Corruption) and in the first quarter of 2018 (concerning protocols in the Code of Military Justice for handling lawful prosecutions of civilians).  I don’t recall these EOs being even mentioned on Fox News, much less expounded for the public.  For one reason or another, these obviously newsworthy Orders are taboo subjects, despite being published on the White House website.

Nota bene:  The above Executive Orders are not the infamous stuff known as “Secret EOs.”

This has been a persistent sad slight surprise to me--how few people are aware of the Dec Executive Order. I usually start with that in my red-pilling efforts.

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As a related matter of the public’s uncanny ignorance concerning a now-looming wave of prosecutions, very few voters are even aware of the 50,000 sealed court orders—including sealed indictments—established in our federal court system by Jeff Sessions’s DOJ.  (Yeah, Mr. Magoo has been very, very busy, despite all of the political theater surrounding him about his supposed worthlessness.)  These sealed court orders, formed and sealed at a rate well over 50 times higher than ever before in American history, are listed (without explanatory details, of course) on the federal court system’s website, pacer.gov.  The number is still growing at a rate of about 5,000 per month as of the last time I checked. 

As a matter of federal law, the orders/indictments are secret, but their existence in stunningly ominous numbers are by no means secret.  Literally scores of conservative websites have talked about the sealed court orders—and you can bet that the Deep State bad actors are aware of the stuff on pacer.gov—but most conservatives are not very good web researchers, it seems.

This, too is a shock. There are State websites that one can total the numbers of sealed indictments from. And, there is Pacer.

And, I've heard that a lot of folks are dismissing such huge numbers as inconsequential or whatever that doesn't consider them very important.

We may not know all the particulars about such a huge number of sealed indictments. However, it is fairly obvious to anyone with a brain above that of a drunken lobotomized slug that something VERY SERIOUS, likely even dramatic--IS going on--much of it behind the scenes, to date.


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For now, that is okay with Trump.  He could talk openly about his Executive Orders concerning our State of National Emergency and about the looming wave of federal/military prosecutions against the Deep State, but that wouldn’t fit his tempo and dynamics at this time.  For now, our POTUS is happy with the smaller army of hardcore zealots recruited by Qanon.  (For that matter, Trump has recently started pushing Q out into the mainstream’s attention.  Hilariously, that has triggered a furious onslaught of MSM attacks against Q as a LARP, as a complete fraud.  Heck, it is axiomatic in war that if you catch a lot of flak, it’s because you are right over the target.  [Well, not always so, but usually so.])

THAT has been very interesting in a mass psychology/mass brainwashing by the oligarchy sort of way.

It much appears that the guilty are fairly clear that Trump IS GUNNING FOR THEM--that their freedom, wealth and possibly very lives are forfeit--likely to be taken from them. THEREFORE, they will do all they can get away with to blow Trump out of the water any and every way they can.

imho, GOD ALONE can insure Trump's survival and effectiveness. I realize the military has upped their guarding of Trump etc. etc. etc. but I don't think in the natural, that would be sufficient. The demonic forces, globalist violent stooge forces etc. against him have to be incredibly numerous and complex. God and His wisdom, alone, imho, are sufficient to protect and guide Trump against such an evil array of human and supernatural evil forces.

The guilty likely are fully aware that WHEN the Q-Anon team becomes publicly affirmed by Trump as being part of his doing and Admin, that the guilty's necks are on the line.

Why? Because in Q's more than 2,000 'drops,' a fairly decent outline of the guilty's evil doings with a fair number of specifics and names listed.

Therefore, there was instantly (upon Q's being pointed out personally by Trump at a rally) a full court press on the MSM's part of great hostile ridicule and outrage over the "Q conspiracy theories & nonsense." Thankfully, Q had warned that the attacks were coming. The usual 4:00 AM talking points that go out to all the MSM for their authorized talking points daily have been relentless in castigating Q as worthless to horribly dangerous.


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This brings me to my biggest shocker:  Trump quite evidently was recruited to run for the White House by the U.S. military all the way back in 2015.  Almost no one is aware of this military connection, but Trump’s longtime friend, Dr. Jerome Corsi--a splendid investigative journalist, a man with a strong background in intelligence, by the way, and also the author of numerous bestsellers such as Unfit for Command and The Obama Nation--says his own very highly-placed sources in our military leaked this important fact to him. 


As the story goes, high-ranking military officers sat down with Trump and painstakingly pieced together riveting evidence that Hillary Clinton was being tasked by a Globalist Cabal to waltz into the White House and utterly destroy the Republic—a matter of horrible death and destruction and enslavement of all survivors in full-blown Socialist tyranny (not just the “soft tyranny” that Obama had been ushering in).

I think you stated that last part too mildly. Shrillery was reportedly tasked with shredding the 2nd & 1st amendments right away and then the whole Constitution and then her 2nd 4 years--starting WW3 to implement a major part of the globalist cabal's FORCED DEPOPULATION schemes. She had publicly stated a number of times that she would attack Iran. Remember, this was the bw*tch who laughingly cackled about 'We came, he died!' or some such statement about destroying Qaddafi.

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Supposedly, the military officers’ meeting with Trump shocked the living daylights out of him, with his ideology hardening in Constitutional patriotism against his former social/political “friends” overnight.  I believe the sobering meeting with the military leaders largely explains why Trump campaigned so vehemently against the Global Socialists in general and Hillary Clinton in particular.  I believe it also explains why his White House staff is dominated by an unprecedented number of military officers.  (If you don’t believe me, look at some of the White House group photo ops.  The military guys and gals take up most of the slots in the staff.  This has never happened before.  Remember also that Q has said only ten folks are privy to THE PLAN--and seven of them are military.) 

I understand how some can feel quite nervous about such military involvement in government. However--please consider:

1. No one else is adequate or better is available.

2. OBummer shredded the military as much as he could get away with by firing all the true patriots he could identify.

3. Fighting the globalist cabal/Deep State cannot work with merely a rag tag crew of NRA members. THIS REALLY IS WARFARE--SPIRITUAL AND TANGIBLE.

4. To pretend otherwise is, imho, proof that one is terminally uninformed; dysfunctional-y tunnel visioned; willfully wholesale ignorant; perversely treasonous; and/or wholesale stupid.

5. One can fantasize until the cows come home that in a perfect world, there would be a lot of other options. In case you haven't noticed, we do NOT live in a perfect world.

6. Trump and company--for bitter, badder, better or whatever--are all that--by GOD'S GRACE--stands between us and the Biblical END TIMES TYRANNY of the literal Anti-Christ and his satanic one world government and satanic one world religion. And if you still are party to the ignorance that Shrillery and highly likely OBummer have not participated in child rape, dismemberment, sacrificing to satan and eating of babies and toddlers--PLEASE WAKE THE BLAZES UP--while you still can!

7. Yes, the truth hurts. The truth is horribly shocking. It IS STILL THE TRUTH. The oligarchy's control of the media for more than 100 years has very effectively brainwashed the populace and installed Kool-Aid IV drips to everyone's arms. WAKE UP!

8. Thankfully, God has made clear through a variety of prophets over the last 20-30 years that this project with Trump playing a key role--WILL SUCCEED. We don't know how long after Trump's 8 years we'll have of relative peace, prosperity, freedoms, safety in worship etc. before the satanic oligarchy places the planet again on the slippery slide to Armageddon & hell. God calls us to work while there is LIGHT. Let us be found doing so.

9. Will there still be problems, mistakes, missteps--of course. But on the whole, Trump will survive, not be assassinated (in spite of evidently more than 12 very serious attempts--including at least one missile toward AF1}; will push back the evil cabal wholesale for the bulk of his reign.

10. imho, Mark Taylor is accurate, folks who are needlessly throwing rocks at Trump and working against what God is doing with Trump are/will be essentially working against what God IS DOING in our era and our planet and our Nation. Depending on a number of factors that would determine how big a slap-down God would respond with, I'd not want to be seen by God as opposing what HE IS doing. Actually, I don't want to work against God's doings nor the doings of HIS chosen servants at all, regardless.


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In short, I am pleased to know that Trump's very real and deadly serious War against the Deep State, a war against all enemies foreign and domestic, is being waged by bona fide warriors—by guys and gals who happen to be experts in war.  And I submit that their warfare expertise largely explains why no one notices what is really happening and what will happen to America’s domestic enemies if President Trump survives 2018.)


Absolutely INDEED. We are blessed and most fortunate that Adm Rogers et al teamed up with, convinced POTUS etc. to join the fight; lead the fight. It is gratifying to see that they demonstrate that they know what they are doing to a high degree. Nevertheless, we do well to PRAY EARNESTLY throughout every day for their protection, Godly Wisdom, Godly humility, etc. I also pray that every effort of the enemy will fall uselessly to the ground; that no weapon formed against them will prosper; and that every thought and every effort against them will cause God's retaliation back on the perpetrators with 3-5 times the devastation they intended on the white hats.[/u][/color][/b]


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To cap off this post, I urge you to read a transcript of a pretty incredible speech by Trump way back in October of 2016—a speech that shows what you need to know about him right now:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057 (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057)

It’s the only political speech that I regard as even better, even more important than Reagan’s speech nominating Barry Goldwater in 1964.

If you doubt that Trump is serious about draining the Swamp, you'd better stop scoffing at what he says in the speech he made two years ago.  He has been a very busy POTUS, especially in dealing with the hassles of all-out attacks against him by America's enemies posing as America's saviors.

ABSOLUTELY INDEED. Behaving and thinking Otherwise means folks just DO NOT 'GET IT.' They are still in the lala land of the Kool-Aid dispensers of the MSM and cabal.

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Anyway, whatever you think about Trump’s overall spiritual state, you can’t tell me that Trump is not a serious patriot, that he's deliberately avoiding what needs to be done.  You can’t keep insisting that he’s just a New York crook, that he’s just part of the Swamp.  If Trump even survives 2018, he is going to see to it that a lot of people get prosecuted and hanged---because that’s what it will take to drain the Swamp.

INDEED. ABSOLUTELY.

Take note disbelieving, smug, self-righteous, arrogant and otherwise contrarian naysayers:

1. Around 10,000 children have been rescued from sex slavery ALREADY.
3. Several dozen corrupt Congress critters have been forced to resign and agree to never run again to avoid prosecution.

4. Several hundred high level CEO's of big companies have resigned under threat of prosecution and a lot of them will likely still be prosecuted and their wealth confiscated.

5. America has stopped a ton of OBummer implemented suicidal behavior.

6. It is OK to be patriotic, American and CHRISTIAN again--from the White House on down.

7. It is OK to honor the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's children and receive God's blessings for doing so.

8. It is OK for the millions of American Christians who have been diligently REPENTING for their sins, government sins, sins of our ancestors, sins against Native Americans; sins against defenseless other people groups and nations; sins against God etc. etc. etc. (doing so for around 20-30 years publicly and in out of the way places)--it is OK for them to see their prayers answered.

9. There are far more, proportionally, of honorable, authentic Christians left in the USA who have not bowed their knees to baal than the 10 people Abraham asked God about preserving Sodom & Gomorrah for.  The MSM and media and the sad state of most Churches has left many with the impression that we already had one foot in hell and the other on a banana peel. Not so. God still has HIS remnant in the USA and it is larger than you might think. It has been demonstrated that 5-7% or so engineered the successful Russian Communist revolution. We have a much larger percentage of authentic Christians who can play a big part in helping Trump in the spiritual warfare against the satanic cabal.

But we can't do it hiding in fear or being weak-kneed, wimpy Christians. We must be prayerful and live Godly lives to the best we can with God's help. We can't do it depending on someone else to play our part. We must stand up and be counted. We were born for such a day as this. Let us not shirk what GOD IS CALLING US to do in this great fight. I wouldn't want to face God's query--"Uhh, why exactly were you hiding in the closet when the battle was raging?"

The weapons of our warfare are primarily NOT carnal--but mighty to the prayerful spiritual warfare declarations bringing down strongholds and all that would exalt itself against God.



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So, yeah, I’m the NeverTrumper who sat out the 2016 election.  But I was glad to learn in November of 2016 that God had already put his Own plan in place to keep us out of Hillary’s plans.  And I think God made a strangely good choice even though I think Ted Cruz was a better man overall.   I’m persuaded that God would laugh and agree with me about that.  Heck, I probably won’t vote for Trump next time if I don’t have to do so.
I do not think that Cruz had the temperament and a lot of other God-given qualities that are essential for the role Trump is playing. God did NOT make a mistake. HE gave Trump the genetics, rearing and conditioning preparing him for this role at this time. You can criticize GOD'S choice, if you wish. But I don't recommend it.

Our job is to prayerfully support the whole war effort and even Trump's leadership of it. That much is basic Biblical sense. We also do well to be sufficiently informed to help red-pill our social network in order to minimize social chaos when the biggies start to be rounded up--and particularly if and when their executions begin.

This talk by Paul Hellyer--former chief of Canadian Defenses can help get you up to speed if you are largely ignorant of the globalist cabal etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq9YtutkyNY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq9YtutkyNY)

And, the globalists in their own words, here:

http://www.globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm (http://www.globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm)




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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Quix on September 15, 2018, 10:05:43 PM
Indeed!  We are already as close to a banana republic as I ever want us to come.

How is it folks fail to realize how very very VERY close we were to satanic, satan worshiping literal witch Hitlery being CINC?

How is it folks fail to realize how farrrrrrrr down the slippery slide toward Armageddon & hell the MSM and globalist cabal HAD ALREADY SUCCEEDED in shoving us?

The illusions of life before Trump were just that--MSM media painted illusions. The rot was deep and broadly spread far worse than the worst banana republic. IT just didn't show on the surface  as much as some would expect. And, many didn't realize what they needed to pay attention to in order to seethe satanic rot.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: RoosGirl on September 15, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
You are just too profane to take seriously.  Go back to your Torah.

Speaking of profane.   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 15, 2018, 10:06:31 PM
OK, Qanon from FOX News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/03/what-is-qanon-conspiracy-theory-group-showing-up-to-trump-rallies.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/03/what-is-qanon-conspiracy-theory-group-showing-up-to-trump-rallies.html)

Newsweek on Qanon

https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-great-awakening-subreddit-conspiracy-theory-q-anon-latest-storm-1119060 (https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-great-awakening-subreddit-conspiracy-theory-q-anon-latest-storm-1119060)
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Quix on September 15, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
OK, Qanon from FOX News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/03/what-is-qanon-conspiracy-theory-group-showing-up-to-trump-rallies.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/03/what-is-qanon-conspiracy-theory-group-showing-up-to-trump-rallies.html)

That's a fairly mild hit piece by agents of the cabal's MSM.

Much of it is grossly false to greatly distorted.

It really is true that Q-Anon is a group of mostly military intel folks with 3 civilians working very closely with Trump in a very critical mass education psy-op to help prepare the populace for massive arrests--many well known idols.

Any narrative that denies that or is contrary to that is a load of oligarchy cabal sponsored BS.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: INVAR on September 15, 2018, 10:18:18 PM
I will take that as your apology in advance.  But I'm sure you will want to renew it in public based on the grace that will surely flood your soul. :pondering:

"Apology in advance"?

You got that out of reading what I wrote?

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Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 15, 2018, 10:42:08 PM
That's a fairly mild hit piece by agents of the cabal's MSM.

Much of it is grossly false to greatly distorted.

It really is true that Q-Anon is a group of mostly military intel folks with 3 civilians working very closely with Trump in a very critical mass education psy-op to help prepare the populace for massive arrests--many well known idols.

Any narrative that denies that or is contrary to that is a load of oligarchy cabal sponsored BS.

Well at the very least I have learned a lot tonight.  That Trumps base is conspiracy theories.  That Qanon which I never knew about exists here on TBR.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Quix on September 15, 2018, 10:56:16 PM
Well at the very least I have learned a lot tonight.  That Trumps base is conspiracy theories.  That Qanon which I never knew about exists here on TBR.

Uhhhh I assume you are quite familiar with the DIFFERENCE

between

THEORY
vs
FACT?

You may not have read many of the quotes of the cabal over the last 200 years in the globalists own words.

Here:

http://www.globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm (http://www.globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm)

If you have not read at least 20% of those quotes, then I think you are insufficiently informed to claim anything about the globalists is a mere conspiracy "theory."

Further, Q-Anon is NOT a theory. It IS a definite part of the TRUMP administration. It is performing a very critical and priceless function toward getting the populace sufficiently up to speed on the REALITIES of life in our Nation to avoid unnecessary chaos in the streets.

I have studied globalism since 1965.

It is outrageous to read that someone, anyone still thinks of such stuff as merely 'theory.'
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 11:17:40 PM
How is it folks fail to realize how very very VERY close we were to satanic, satan worshiping literal witch Hitlery being CINC?

Maybe because we're all 'disbelieving, smug, self-righteous, arrogant and otherwise contrarian naysayers' because we require proof.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Quix on September 15, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Well at the very least I have learned a lot tonight.  That Trumps base is conspiracy theories.  That Qanon which I never knew about exists here on TBR.

Uhhhh I assume you are quite familiar with the DIFFERENCE

between

THEORY
vs
FACT?

You may not have read many of the quotes of the cabal over the last 200 years in the globalists own words.

Here:

http://www.globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm (http://www.globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm)

If you have not read at least 20% of those quotes, then I think you are insufficiently informed to claim anything about the globalists is a mere conspiracy "theory."

Further, Q-Anon is NOT a theory. It IS a definite part of the TRUMP administration. It is performing a very critical and priceless function toward getting the populace sufficiently up to speed on the REALITIES of life in our Nation to avoid unnecessary chaos in the streets.

I have studied globalism since 1965.

It is outrageous to read that someone, anyone still thinks of such stuff as merely 'theory.'
Maybe because we're all 'disbelieving, smug, self-righteous, arrogant and otherwise contrarian naysayers' because we require proof.  *****rollingeyes*****

If Colombo had waited for your criteria of proof, he'd never have solved a single case.

There's quite sufficient evidence for every statement I made.

As will be made clear, in due course.

I realize no amount of personal first person testimonies (whether 5, 8, 12 or a 100) matter a gnat's fart's worth to a lot of hyper-rationalist-laboratory-proof types.

Evidently until Shrillery dices a baby in your laps and shares a bite, you'll still consider her a harmless grandmother.

Sigh.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: sneakypete on September 16, 2018, 12:05:46 AM
   I want to date a Hooters Girl, too and Good Luck with that #walkaway, Black Thing @the_doc  and granted he needs desperately to expand his base, but I don't think it will make up for the White Conservatives he's been hemorrhaging, since Day One.

@corbe

You people are neither political nor social conservatives. You are religious zealots that worship a leftist deity. I understand you THINK this makes you conservative because you refuse to question dogma,but the truth is the direct opposite. You need a master and rules to follow,or you just ain't going to be  happy.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: corbe on September 16, 2018, 12:16:49 AM
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Religious Zealots usually don't talk favorably of us, @sneakypete  /JS

Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: RoosGirl on September 16, 2018, 12:26:27 AM
We've had some threads here that wander in and out of StupidLand, but this one has achieved permanent resident status.  Congrats everyone.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: DB on September 16, 2018, 12:36:34 AM
@corbe

You people are neither political nor social conservatives. You are religious zealots that worship a leftist deity. I understand you THINK this makes you conservative because you refuse to question dogma,but the truth is the direct opposite. You need a master and rules to follow,or you just ain't going to be  happy.

You're just nuts.
Title: Re: GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
Post by: Applewood on September 16, 2018, 12:38:49 AM
@corbe

You people are neither political nor social conservatives. You are religious zealots that worship a leftist deity. I understand you THINK this makes you conservative because you refuse to question dogma,but the truth is the direct opposite. You need a master and rules to follow,or you just ain't going to be  happy.

I would say the ones who need a master are the Trump cultists.

God is a leftist? Hardly.  I think He is the ultimate conservative.  The pope and those who claim to represent Him might be lefties,but He is not.

Really,