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Title: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 08:46:53 AM
From Trump's twitter:

Mike Pompeo, Director of the CIA, will become our new Secretary of State. He will do a fantastic job! Thank you to Rex Tillerson for his service! Gina Haspel will become the new Director of the CIA, and the first woman so chosen. Congratulations to all!
Title: Trump ousts Tillerson, will replace him as secretary of state with CIA chief Pompeo
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 08:50:00 AM
Trump ousts Tillerson, will replace him as secretary of state with CIA chief Pompeo
Washington Post, Mar 13, 2018

President Trump has ousted Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and replaced him with CIA Director Mike Pompeo, orchestrating a major change to his national security team amid delicate negotiations with North Korea, White House officials said Tuesday.

Trump last Friday asked Tillerson to step aside, and the embattled top diplomat cut short his trip to Africa on Monday to return to Washington.

Pompeo will replace him at the State Department, and Gina Hapsel — the deputy director at the CIA — will succeed him at the CIA, becoming the first woman to run the spy agency, if confirmed.


More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-ousts-tillerson-will-replace-him-as-secretary-of-state-with-cia-chief-pompeo/2018/03/13/30f34eea-26ba-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.791fd3f519fe (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-ousts-tillerson-will-replace-him-as-secretary-of-state-with-cia-chief-pompeo/2018/03/13/30f34eea-26ba-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.791fd3f519fe)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 08:50:21 AM
Will anyone notice?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 08:51:37 AM
I'm surprised at the choice of Pompeo as a replacement.  I figured Haley's work as UN Ambassador would have put her in position to succeed Tillerson.
Title: Re: Trump ousts Tillerson, will replace him as secretary of state with CIA chief Pompeo
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 08:51:54 AM
Quote
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 

Mike Pompeo, Director of the CIA, will become our new Secretary of State. He will do a fantastic job! Thank you to Rex Tillerson for his service! Gina Haspel will become the new Director of the CIA, and the first woman so chosen. Congratulations to all!

5:44 AM - 13 Mar 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/973540316656623616
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Restored on March 13, 2018, 08:53:30 AM
I didn't know Tillerson was SoS until he was fired.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Haspel is a 32 year career CIA officer.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 08:59:42 AM
Gonna be interesting to see how this affects the SecDef's relationship with the WH.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: 240B on March 13, 2018, 09:00:36 AM
Sessions will be next. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Trump ousts Tillerson, will replace him as secretary of state with CIA chief Pompeo
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 09:05:40 AM
Please merge with later thread.  Thanks.

@mystery-ak



Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frandia on March 13, 2018, 09:06:08 AM
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/federal_politics/trump-fires-rex-tillerson-as-secretary-of-state-hands-job/article_f29e7004-26bc-11e8-8605-a70342f962df.html (https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/federal_politics/trump-fires-rex-tillerson-as-secretary-of-state-hands-job/article_f29e7004-26bc-11e8-8605-a70342f962df.html)

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/03/trump-fires-secretary-of-state-rex-tillers... (https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/03/trump-fires-secretary-of-state-rex-tillers...)

Gina Haspel will become the new Director of the CIA, and the first woman so chosen.

The president - who has long clashed will Tillerson, who he believes is "too establishment" in his thinking - felt it was important to make the change now, as he prepares for talks with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, as well as upcoming trade negotiations, three White House officials said.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frandia on March 13, 2018, 09:07:20 AM
I see someone beat me to it.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 09:08:39 AM
Will anyone notice?

Considering he wasn't told about the NK announcement prior to its release this is no surprise.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 09:09:45 AM
#onlythebest  :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 09:10:53 AM
#onlythebest  :silly:

Yup. Nothing like the quality of Colon Powell.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 09:14:37 AM
#onlythebest  :silly:

@txradioguy
While a catchy slogan worthy of only the best social media groupies.  Tillerson has an outstanding background having been the CEO of Exxon. 

So yeah in this case he is far more qualified then the last several.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 09:14:48 AM
Haspel is a 32 year career CIA officer.


Yeah and you can expect the issue of torture and evidence destruction to be resurrected by the media.
Title: Re: Trump ousts Tillerson, will replace him as secretary of state with CIA chief Pompeo
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 09:15:21 AM
Oye ... watch the Democrats block his nomination.  Doubly troubling with the possible NK meeting on the horizon. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 09:25:17 AM
Tillerson was in Africa last Friday when he got word he had been fired.  He says he doesn't know why he was fired.  It was not Trump who told him he was fired.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Restored on March 13, 2018, 09:33:15 AM
Quote
President Donald Trump’s personal assistant, John McEntee, was escorted out of the White House on Monday, two senior administration officials said. The cause of the firing was an unspecified security issue, said a third White House official with knowledge of the situation.

It sounds like the Swamp is draining Trump.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
It sounds like the Swamp is draining Trump.

Wow. Great loss there.....

McEntee wasn’t as well known as the others, but had been a constant presence at Trump’s side for the past three years. He made sure Trump had markers to sign autographs, delivered messages to him in the White House residence and, over the weekend, ensured that the clocks in the White House residence were adjusted for daylight-saving time.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 09:38:32 AM
Tillerson was in Africa last Friday when he got word he had been fired.  He says he doesn't know why he was fired.  It was not Trump who told him he was fired.


Sounds like the way Comey was fired.  Makes a trip far from DC, finds out secondhand.  They all serve at the pleasure of the president, but it doesn't have to be such a dick move.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 09:40:08 AM
Deputy: Tillerson is 'unaware of the reason' for his dismissal
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: jpsb on March 13, 2018, 09:41:49 AM
Considering he wasn't told about the NK announcement prior to its release this is no surprise.

@driftdiver

Yup, I would not be surprised to learn he resigned over the objections of the administration. No way
he could continue as SoS after that humiliation.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 09:42:46 AM
Tillerson was in Africa last Friday when he got word he had been fired.  He says he doesn't know why he was fired.  It was not Trump who told him he was fired.

My guess is that it was Kelly who informed him.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Polly Ticks on March 13, 2018, 09:45:39 AM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/62421865/another-one-gone-and-another-one-gone-another-one-bites-the-dust.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 09:46:02 AM
@txradioguy
While a catchy slogan worthy of only the best social media groupies.  Tillerson has an outstanding background having been the CEO of Exxon. 

So yeah in this case he is far more qualified then the last several.

Wasn't doubting his qualifications.   I know of his reputation at Exxon and you're right he is way better than the last couple SecStates.

I was laughing more at the revolving door at the WH.  Trump claims he wants only the best but when the best gives him answers he doesn't like or advise him that possibly a policy he's pursuing might not be the best way to handle things...well...they get fired or verbally abused via twitter.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 09:48:39 AM
My guess is that it was Kelly who informed him.
@txradioguy

NO, I just heard he found out he was fired by reading a tweet by Trump.  Trump is a miserable twerp (is twerp a word?)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 09:49:01 AM
Wasn't doubting his qualifications.   I know of his reputation at Exxon and you're right he is way better than the last couple SecStates.

I was laughing more at the revolving door at the WH.  Trump claims he wants only the best but when the best gives him answers he doesn't like or advise him that possibly a policy he's pursuing might not be the best way to handle things...well...they get fired or verbally abused via twitter.

@txradioguy
Almost all administrations have a high turnover rate. 

Tillerson was the big cheese at Exxon, he probably didn't like having a boss.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 09:49:26 AM
Deputy: Tillerson is 'unaware of the reason' for his dismissal
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal)

Could be why he's gone. Unaware of his surroundings.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 09:51:06 AM
@txradioguy

Also heard he fired his personal assistant yesterday morning.  I don't have the man's name.

Do you work at the White House?  If so, check Trump's tweets to see if you still have a job.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2018, 09:52:46 AM
Lots of comings and goings in Trump's first 18 mos!  I don't know much about Pompeo, but in doing a brief search he seems more qualified than Tillerson.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Applewood on March 13, 2018, 09:53:14 AM
Wasn't doubting his qualifications.   I know of his reputation at Exxon and you're right he is way better than the last couple SecStates.

I was laughing more at the revolving door at the WH.  Trump claims he wants only the best but when the best gives him answers he doesn't like or advise him that possibly a policy he's pursuing might not be the best way to handle things...well...they get fired or verbally abused via twitter.

This presidency has most of the hallmarks of a trashy reality tv show.  All it needs now is the cat fight  between two gorgeous, bikini clad babes in the swimming pool.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 09:53:51 AM
@txradioguy

NO, I just heard he found out he was fired by reading a tweet by Trump.  Trump is a miserable twerp (is twerp a word?)

@Victoria33
Thats not quite what happened.   https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/secretary-of-state-tillerson-out-amid-clashes-with-trump-to-be-replaced-by-cia-director-pompeo-wapo.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/secretary-of-state-tillerson-out-amid-clashes-with-trump-to-be-replaced-by-cia-director-pompeo-wapo.html)

Trumps tweet was a response to a Washington Post story.     So what happened was the decision was made to replace Tillerson, someone leaked it, and that forced Trump to make a statement.

But don't let the facts disrupt your preconceived notions.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 09:55:22 AM
@txradioguy
Almost all administrations have a high turnover rate. 

Tillerson was the big cheese at Exxon, he probably didn't like having a boss.

The POTUS and Tillerson also had serious policy differences ... the Iran deal and Paris Climate Agreement come to mind.  Rex backed both.

Trump can't risk division with his SOS if NK talks come to pass.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 09:55:26 AM
@txradioguy

Also heard he fired his personal assistant yesterday morning.  I don't have the man's name.

John McEntee...seems he was going to have some issues getting a full security clearance.

Quote
Do you work at the White House?  If so, check Trump's tweets to see if you still have a job.

I would hate to be a part of his social media team.  I'm betting most of them will need rehab after there time there is over
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 09:56:36 AM
@txradioguy

Also heard he fired his personal assistant yesterday morning.  I don't have the man's name.

Do you work at the White House?  If so, check Trump's tweets to see if you still have a job.

No ... check the Washington Post @Victoria33 .... they print all the leaks they receive.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 09:57:47 AM
This presidency has most of the hallmarks of a trashy reality tv show.  All it needs now is the cat fight  between two gorgeous, bikini clad babes in the swimming pool.

Give it time...
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 09:59:20 AM
John McEntee...seems he was going to have some issues getting a full security clearance.


Given what we know about Kushner and Porter,  perhaps McEntee yanked a Russian banker out of the shower.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 09:59:43 AM
@Victoria33
Thats not quite what happened.   https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/secretary-of-state-tillerson-out-amid-clashes-with-trump-to-be-replaced-by-cia-director-pompeo-wapo.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/secretary-of-state-tillerson-out-amid-clashes-with-trump-to-be-replaced-by-cia-director-pompeo-wapo.html)
Trumps tweet was a response to a Washington Post story.     So what happened was the decision was made to replace Tillerson, someone leaked it, and that forced Trump to make a statement.
But don't let the facts disrupt your preconceived notions.
@driftdiver

"But don't let the facts disrupt your preconceived notions."
I don't do word fights like you are trying to start.  I posted news about the tweet according to a news organization saying it.  If someone leaked it, Trump could have called Tillerson then rather than putting it in a tweet.  Regardless of how it happened, it appears Tillerson found out by reading a tweet.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 10:00:37 AM
Could be why he's gone. Unaware of his surroundings.

Tillerson supported the Paris Climate deal and the Iran deal.  He also supported easing restrictions on Qatar, who is supporting terrorist in the Middle East.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 10:00:46 AM
Quote
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 

Mike Pompeo, Director of the CIA, will become our new Secretary of State. He will do a fantastic job! Thank you to Rex Tillerson for his service! Gina Haspel will become the new Director of the CIA, and the first woman so chosen. Congratulations to all!

5:44 AM - 13 Mar 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/973540316656623616
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: goatprairie on March 13, 2018, 10:01:48 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAniiL_M9e6FYIBLjBMscqFLgaihwydcclq5W8qAH3KAbmpbeL1A) New secretary of state
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 10:02:25 AM
@driftdiver

"But don't let the facts disrupt your preconceived notions."
I don't do word fights like you are trying to start.  I posted news about the tweet according to a news organization saying it.  If someone leaked it, Trump could have called Tillerson then rather than putting it in a tweet.  Regardless of how it happened, it appears Tillerson found out by reading a tweet.

@Victoria33
No word fight here.   Just tired of the constant bias.

Tillerson was well qualified but has not supported Trumps agenda on several major policies.   Tillerson is a big boy and I could care less if his feelings are hurt.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 10:06:02 AM
Lots of comings and goings in Trump's first 18 mos!  I don't know much about Pompeo, but in doing a brief search he seems more qualified than Tillerson.

I agree.  I never understood how someone running a global oil company was qualification for US Secretary of State.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 10:06:03 AM
Deputy: Tillerson is 'unaware of the reason' for his dismissal
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal)

Of course Tillerson is aware ... we're all aware of why he's out.  He disagreed -- publicly --- with the POTUS on major policy initiatives.

I hope he doesn't spend the next week whining about this ... it's unbecoming behavior from a former global CEO.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 10:07:50 AM
I agree.  I never understood how someone running a global oil company was qualification for US Secretary of State.

He came with a strong recommendation from Condi Rice.  I think Pompeo was the President's first choice from the start.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 10:10:40 AM
I agree.  I never understood how someone running a global oil company was qualification for US Secretary of State.

Probably assumed that because as the head of Exxon and dealing with other global CEO's it would translate to an ability to deal with world leaders.

But as we're learning...skill in the board room doesn't equate to skill at the negotiating table.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 10:10:56 AM
He came with a strong recommendation from Condi Rice.  I think Pompeo was the President's first choice from the start.

Recommendations are fine if someone actually has the qualifications to do the job, but I still wonder about Tillerson's qualifications to be Secretary of State.  I think Pompeo is an upgrade (and he gets along well with the President which is critically important for success IMO). 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: jpsb on March 13, 2018, 10:11:07 AM
Of course Tillerson is aware ... we're all aware of why he's out.  He disagreed -- publicly --- with the POTUS on major policy initiatives.

I hope he doesn't spend the next week whining about this ... it's unbecoming behavior from a former global CEO.

I don't think calling Trump a moron helped to endear him to the president. Sounds like Tillerson
was a Bush republican. If so I am glad he is gone. Bushism needs to be stamped out.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 10:13:57 AM
Recommendations are fine if someone actually has the qualifications to do the job, but I still wonder about Tillerson's qualifications to be Secretary of State.  I think Pompeo is an upgrade (and he gets along well with the President which is critically important for success IMO).

@Concerned that's especially true in this administration since it appears the President doesn't like hearing the word no.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Recommendations are fine if someone actually has the qualifications to do the job, but I still wonder about Tillerson's qualifications to be Secretary of State.  I think Pompeo is an upgrade (and he gets along well with the President which is critically important for success IMO).

Tillerson came with a wealth of international experience .... the Rice recommendation pushed him from #2 on the list to #1.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Stevensr123 on March 13, 2018, 10:16:05 AM
I don't know. If you've a Secretary of State that you decided to fire, the first thing you'd do is send him on a five country tour of Africa to talk to diplomats there before announcing his firing on Twitter when he returned home.  Makes total sense to me.


Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 10:16:32 AM
@Concerned that's especially true in this administration since it appears the President doesn't like hearing the word no.

Actually, in the case the President didn't like hearing the word "yes" .... as in "yes" to the Iran deal and "yes" to the Paris Climate Agreement, to name just two examples.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 10:19:43 AM
I don't know. If you've a Secretary of State that you decided to fire, the first thing you'd do is send him on a five country tour of Africa to talk to diplomats there before announcing his firing on Twitter when he returned home.  Makes total sense to me.

And now every head of state he just spoke with on behalf of the President is now wondering if what they discussed or any deals that were agreed upon are still valid.  It doesn't make for a very consistent or steady foreign policy.

Makes us look very disorganized.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 10:21:16 AM
He also supported easing restrictions on Qatar, who is supporting terrorist in the Middle East.


There's a little more to that Qatar story.  Back in April 2017, they were fine people when Kushner approached them for financing.  They declined.  Funny how months later, they're on the US sh*tlist.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 10:22:21 AM
Tillerson came with a wealth of international experience .... the Rice recommendation pushed him from #2 on the list to #1.

Yes, you get plenty of international experience running a "global oil company" (which I already noted).  I don't see how having commercial, business international experience qualifies you to be Secretary of State though.  If some people do, I just wish they'd make their case with the facts, evidence, and data from Tillerson's background that they think qualified him to be Secretary of State.  As we're seeing with the President, running a business is markedly different than running a government or negotiation on behalf of a government.  Politics insert a very challenging constraint into many government and multi-national government discussions and negotiations.  Not having that prior government/political background I think is a challenging lack of qualification.  JMO.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
And now every head of state he just spoke with on behalf of the President is now wondering if what they discussed or any deals that were agreed upon are still valid.  It doesn't make for a very consistent or steady foreign policy.

Makes us look very disorganized.

@txradioguy
Is there a good time to fire a SofS?   Isn't his job to always be out there doing stuff?   

His trip included countries like Chad, Ethopia, Nigeria, and Kenya.   Which of those are we most concerned with appearing disorganized too?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 10:24:16 AM
John McEntee...seems he was going to have some issues getting a full security clearance.
I would hate to be a part of his social media team.  I'm betting most of them will need rehab after there time there is over
@txradioguy
@Quix
@mystery-ak 

Bob was the earth scientist for Exxon/Mobil when he retired.  He knew Tillerson.  Says Tillerson was organized and made decisions based on facts and research.  Bob was disgusted this morning when he heard Tillerson found out by a tweet he was fired.  Bob said you don't fire people that way.  At Exxon/Mobil, Bob had employees under him and he would never have done that.  Bob has been supporting Trump all this time, but he says this is it, Trump needs to be gone.  It took a personal connection with a Trump move, for Bob to now reject Trump.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 10:33:45 AM
This presidency has most of the hallmarks of a trashy reality tv show.  All it needs now is the cat fight  between two gorgeous, bikini clad babes in the swimming pool.
@Applewood

You will get "trashy reality tv show" with gorgeous sexy pictures of Stormy Daniels and Trump with her as soon as litigation about that is resolved.  It is to be on 60 Minutes TV channel.  It's easy to have trash in public when the president is trashy himself.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Applewood on March 13, 2018, 10:37:35 AM
Tillerson came with a wealth of international experience .... the Rice recommendation pushed him from #2 on the list to #1.

Did Tillerson have any diplomatic experience?  I ask because I'm not sure experience in international business would necessarily be enough for the SoS job.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Taxcontrol on March 13, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
Good.  The Gaystapo supporting pervert should have never been in the position in the first place.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Did Tillerson have any diplomatic experience?  I ask because I'm not sure experience in international business would necessarily be enough for the SoS job.
@Applewood
@mystery-ak

Here is the connection between oil and country heads of state.  When Bob was sent to countries around the world looking for oil, he had to meet with government leaders, including heads of state.  He was the first oil man to enter Russia after the Berlin wall fell.  He met with their leaders numerous times.  One cannot start getting seismic data in the earth of a foreign country without dealing with their leaders.  Tillerson was the head of Exxon/Mobil and there is no doubt he worked with foreign governments leaders and knew all about them.  Also, making an oil deal with a foreign country requires the ability to negotiate deals based on facts.  Tillerson did that just as Bob had to do that in foreign countries.   
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
Pompeo was marked at a replacement months ago in speculation, thank goodness, Sen. Cotton won't be head of the CIA as was speculated on as well. I think Cotton should remain in the Senate.

http://www.nwahomepage.com/news/sen-cotton-not-named-cia-director-releases-statement/1038694000 (http://www.nwahomepage.com/news/sen-cotton-not-named-cia-director-releases-statement/1038694000)

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/tom-cotton-to-cia.php (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/tom-cotton-to-cia.php)

I hope all goes well with Rex. Seemed to do a decent job with me. There must have been something, perhaps not being forceful enough.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 11:05:52 AM
@txradioguy
Is there a good time to fire a SofS?   Isn't his job to always be out there doing stuff?   

His trip included countries like Chad, Ethopia, Nigeria, and Kenya.   Which of those are we most concerned with appearing disorganized too?

Where trying fight terrorism on the African continent and strengthening ties with AFRICOM is concerned when they are trying to stabilize the region...yes we need to be concerned with those areas.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 11:07:59 AM
Where trying fight terrorism on the African continent and strengthening ties with AFRICOM is concerned when they are trying to stabilize the region...yes we need to be concerned with those areas.

@txradioguy
Thats not what I asked.   The deflection is an answer all by itself.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 11:08:29 AM
Tillerson was sick on this most recent trip. I wonder if there are any specific reasons so far given for Tillerson being given the boot? That's why I'm reading all of these posts.

Foreign policy was such a mess to inherit, it might be easy to be weak in one area, Mid-East, Russia, North Korea, something.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 11:10:05 AM
Did Tillerson have any diplomatic experience?  I ask because I'm not sure experience in international business would necessarily be enough for the SoS job.

No.  His experience was limited to commercial business at Exxon-Mobil (and Exxon).
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 11:10:22 AM
This presidency has most of the hallmarks of a trashy reality tv show.  All it needs now is the cat fight  between two gorgeous, bikini clad babes in the swimming pool.

Maybe if ISIS was still holding large swaths of territory and committing wanton violence and North Korea was threatening missile strikes, you'd be more happy.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 11:15:58 AM
Maybe if ISIS was still holding large swaths of territory and committing wanton violence and North Korea was threatening missile strikes, you'd be more happy.


Yes, it’s so much better now that Iran and Turkey are exerting influence over those former ISIS territories and NK is holding a bouquet in an extended hand, while clutching a plutonium pit behind their back.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 11:21:43 AM

Yes, it’s so much better now that Iran and Turkey are exerting influence over those former ISIS territories and NK is holding a bouquet in an extended hand, while clutching a plutonium pit behind their back.

The latter part you don't know, as for the first part, yes, Iran and Turkey exerting influence on these areas is much much better than the Apocalyptic Existential threat of ISIS, who would use nukes with no qualms if they had them.  A death cult ISIS is, killing hundreds in the West as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 11:26:17 AM

Yes, it’s so much better now that Iran and Turkey are exerting influence over those former ISIS territories and NK is holding a bouquet in an extended hand, while clutching a plutonium pit behind their back.

He's a broken record.  He'll scream ISIS and ABORTION in your face as the first words of a new screed because you do not fawn over Trump the way he does.  Pay him no mind.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 11:28:35 AM
Fox news reporting Trump requested Tillerson to submit his resignation last Friday.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 11:32:59 AM
Maybe if ISIS was still holding large swaths of territory and committing wanton violence and North Korea was threatening missile strikes, you'd be more happy.

ISIS does still hold large areas of land and last I checked the Norks still have nukes and haven't stopped threatening anyone with them.

You're a fool if you actually believe your own propaganda BS.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Stevensr123 on March 13, 2018, 11:34:39 AM
He's a broken record.  He'll scream ISIS and ABORTION in your face as the first words of a new screed because you do not fawn over Trump the way he does.  Pay him no mind.
Not to mention it was just a matter of time before Turkey/the kurds/Russia/Assad wiped them out, no use trying to give trump the credit because its simply not factually true.

And Isis hasn't even been defeated yet! probably never will, its an ideology now that is spread throughout the world. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 11:36:45 AM
The latter part you don't know.....


That is correct. I have seen no evidence of flowers. Perhaps Trump will bring some to the meeting. I hope his cultural advisor suggests chrysanthemums.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 11:36:47 AM
Fox news reporting Trump requested Tillerson to submit his resignation last Friday.

@Victoria33
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5750412722001/ (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5750412722001/)

So the tweet story is false
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 11:39:27 AM
I certainly think T-Rex did a good job, on Ukraine and other issues. Somewhere there is something and he was reported to have been in hot water before.

Usually, I like it when there is an amicable split-up and something like this is said "We thank him for the work he has done."
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 11:41:32 AM
@Victoria33
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5750412722001/ (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5750412722001/)

So the tweet story is false

Probably a mixture of both stories actually.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: endicom on March 13, 2018, 11:43:55 AM
John McEntee...seems he was going to have some issues getting a full security clearance.


Maybe he was a leaker. Watch out for the quiet ones.

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 11:44:12 AM
@Victoria33
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5750412722001/ (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5750412722001/)  So the tweet story is false
@driftdiver

Trump did not speak to Tillerson.  By the time today is over, the sequence of events will come together as they happened.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
Probably a mixture of both stories actually.

@txradioguy
Well since the tweet came out yesterday or today I don't see how that is a mixture.

No Tillerson said this to make Trump look bad.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 11:46:41 AM
@driftdiver

Trump did not speak to Tillerson.  By the time today is over, the sequence of events will come together as they happened.

@Victoria33
Why don't you write it since you seem to be in teh know.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 11:51:54 AM
@driftdiver

Trump did not speak to Tillerson.  By the time today is over, the sequence of events will come together as they happened.
@Victoria33
Is this to deny this message was not even relayed to Tillerson. That is what is important and I'm sure he was told somehow, not just by some flunkee but officially.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 11:53:49 AM

Maybe he was a leaker. Watch out for the quiet ones.

That's well-possible. Sort of like Hope Hicks, she seemed to have done well but apparently said something that were called "white lies".  And then, the case of Bannon, apparently airing some of his own feelings and opinions in an interview.

There is probably something.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 11:54:35 AM
@Victoria33
Why don't you write it since you seem to be in teh know.
@driftdiver

I read multiple sources of info. as they come out.  As I said, by the end of the day we will know the sequence of events. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 11:55:44 AM
Probably a mixture of both stories actually.


Who knows? Back in November, there were various news reports Pompeo was being prepped to replace Tillerson. The White House denied it. In January, they said Gary Cohn would be there for the duration.  Now, the story is he only wanted to stick around until tax reform was passed. The story always changes.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 11:57:55 AM

Maybe he was a leaker. Watch out for the quiet ones.


Trump fired his longtime personal assistant who is under investigation for financial crimes

President Donald Trump's longtime personal assistant, John McEntee, was fired from his White House position while reportedly under investigation by the Department of Homeland Security for financial crimes, CNN and the Wall Street Journal reported.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-fired-longtime-personal-assistant-023748584.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-fired-longtime-personal-assistant-023748584.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sighlass on March 13, 2018, 11:58:39 AM
Interesting....

Quote
Why would Trump Fire Tillerson today just as polls open in the PA special election? The republican candidate must be bashing his head against the wall right now. This election is being seen as a referendum on Trumos presidency and now the news all day is “White House in chaos (again). He could have at least waited until the polls closed tonight before announcing the firing.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 12:00:58 PM
Interesting....


They have internal polling at their disposal. I'm sure it was a foregone conclusion the district would be lost.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 12:06:06 PM
Probably a mixture of both stories actually.

Possibly.  Reports are that John Kelly called Tillerson on Friday and told him this would happen.  The timing was unclear.  Then Trump tweeted this out morning which may have surprised Tillerson (relative to timing).
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 12:06:52 PM
@Concerned that's especially true in this administration since it appears the President doesn't like hearing the word no.


Well, let's see what the president has to say about that.....


'We were not really thinking the same. With Mike, Mike Pompeo, we have a very similar thought process. I think it's going to go very well.'

He gushed that the future secretary as Mike Pompeo has 'tremendous energy, tremendous intellect, we're always on the same wavelength. The relationship has been very good.'

The president had tweeted earlier that Pompeo 'will do a fantastic job!'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5495087/Trump-FIRES-Rex-Tillerson-secretary-state.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5495087/Trump-FIRES-Rex-Tillerson-secretary-state.html)


Wasn't this the same guy who said he liked conflict the other day?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 12:07:51 PM
Possibly.  Reports are that John Kelly called Tillerson on Friday and told him this would happen.  The timing was unclear.  Then Trump tweeted this out morning which may have surprised Tillerson (relative to timing).

I don't know why anyone who knows anything about man-child Trump would be surprised by any inappropriate tweet he makes.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 12:08:27 PM
@Victoria33
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5750412722001/ (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5750412722001/)

So the tweet story is false

Well there are all kinds of stories like this one..Even Rush is saying Tillerson fired by a tweet.

Tillerson did not speak to Trump before firing
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 12:09:04 PM
@driftdiver

I read multiple sources of info. as they come out.  As I said, by the end of the day we will know the sequence of events.

@Victoria33

I agree with you, by the end of the day we'll know quite a bit more.  That's why I am resisting jumping to any conclusions, like "Trump didn't tell Tillerson."  I'd like to not look like a fool at the end of the day....

(Besides, everybody knows I'm a Foole.   :shrug: )
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 12:10:13 PM
Then Trump tweeted this out morning which may have surprised Tillerson (relative to timing).


Hey, kids....what time is it?  Executive time!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 12:10:47 PM
I'll tell you this...if Trump didn't personally call him into the Oval and fire him and left it to another person or even a tweet..it was a shitty thing to do...By God he was SOS not some low level flunkie..
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
More details from a report here with a named source:

Quote
A senior White House official has told CNN that President Trump asked Chief of Staff John Kelley to call Rex Tillerson on Friday night.

The official said Kelly told Tillerson that he will be replaced but did not specify the timing. It was Trump’s decision to pull the trigger Tuesday morning, which underscored their fraught relations.

"This is how the President wanted to do it," the official said — a reflection of how the man who became famous saying "you’re fired" actually rarely does it in person.

Steve Goldstein, State Department undersecretary of public affairs, confirmed that Tillerson got a call on Friday night from Kelly with a heads up, but Goldstein did not elaborate. Goldstein insists that Tillerson was notified of the official termination in the tweet this morning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/trump-tillerson-latest/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/trump-tillerson-latest/index.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
I'll tell you this...if Trump didn't personally call him into the Oval and fire him and left it to another person or even a tweet..it was a shitty thing to do...By God he was SOS not some low level flunkie..


Whatever you think of Comey, finding out on TV was lousy, too.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 12:16:17 PM

Whatever you think of Comey, finding out on TV was lousy, too.

Yep!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 12:18:36 PM
And Tillerson called his "boss" a "moron" or at least, it's not denied. Maybe that tells something too of how the two worked together. That appears to be a "shoddy" thing to do as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 12:20:37 PM
And Tillerson called his "boss" a "moron" or at least, it's not denied. Maybe that tells something too of how the two worked together. That appears to be a "shoddy" thing to do as well.

It was..but Trump is his boss and should have been fired by him...
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 12:21:01 PM
Tillerson has been in Africa, these people are busy, maybe they can not always meet up with each other. Phone? Leave it on the answering machine?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
And Tillerson called his "boss" a "moron" or at least, it's not denied. Maybe that tells something too of how the two worked together. That appears to be a "shoddy" thing to do as well.


That was never confirmed and Tillerson refused to discuss it.  Trump, however, made a point to publicly suggest he'd score higher on an IQ test than an engineer that worked his way up to CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation.  Who's the intelligent adult, here?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 12:25:42 PM
Tillerson has been in Africa, these people are busy, maybe they can not always meet up with each other. Phone? Leave it on the answering machine?

(https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/trumpsupporter.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 12:25:44 PM
Tillerson has been in Africa, these people are busy, maybe they can not always meet up with each other. Phone? Leave it on the answering machine?

When the President is ready to fire someone, no matter how busy that person is, all the President has to say is please come home, I need to talk to you.  Tillerson could have been back in less than 12 hours.   Does anyone believe this announcement was so time critical that it couldn't wait 12 hours?  If for some reason, Tillerson couldn't get home in time, then yes, the phone, is definitely preferable and more professional than via a tweet.

When Trump was playing a character on "The Apprentice", he didn't seem to have any problem personally firing people, but there definitely seems to be a pattern here in real life where the "street fighter" appears to be pretty whimpy about firing people to their face.  JMO.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 12:29:17 PM
   As someone mentioned earlier, this firing sure takes the shine off the PA-18 whopping the GOP gets tonight.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 12:29:56 PM
Tillerson has been in Africa, these people are busy, maybe they can not always meet up with each other. Phone? Leave it on the answering machine?

That's no excuse..it could have waited until he returned to DC.....He has a habit of firing people when they are out of town....I don't consider this good leadership at all.

Mind you I have no problem with Tillerson being fired just the way it was done.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 12:31:00 PM
When the President is ready to fire someone, no matter how busy that person is, all the President has to say is please come home, I need to talk to you.  Tillerson could have been back in less than 12 hours.   Does anyone believe this announcement was so time critical that it couldn't wait 12 hours?  If for some reason, Tillerson couldn't get home in time, then yes, the phone, is definitely preferable and more professional than via a tweet.

When Trump was playing a character on "The Apprentice", he didn't seem to have any problem personally firing people, but there definitely seems to be a pattern here in real life where the "street fighter" appears to be pretty whimpy about firing people to their face.  JMO.

this
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 12:33:49 PM
That's no excuse..it could have waited until he returned to DC.....He has a habit of firing people when they are out of town....I don't consider this good leadership at all.

Mind you I have no problem with Tillerson being fired just the way it was done.


Well, as we're supposed to believe on another thread, this is what leadership looks like.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307721.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307721.0.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 12:35:59 PM
I'll tell you this...if Trump didn't personally call him into the Oval and fire him and left it to another person or even a tweet..it was a shitty thing to do...By God he was SOS not some low level flunkie..

I agree with this.  A SoS deserves to be told in person, not even by the Chief of Staff.  SoS is the most powerful Cabinet post there is...third in the line of Presidential succession.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 12:39:08 PM
Well there are all kinds of stories like this one..Even Rush is saying Tillerson fired by a tweet.

Tillerson did not speak to Trump before firing
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal)

@mystery-ak
Whether it was Trump or Kelly, I don't really care.    Tillerson has shown a lack of respect for Trump so maybe Trump didn't feel the gold glove treatment was warranted.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 12:39:54 PM
USA Today:

Quote
Tillerson reportedly called Trump a 'moron.' Months later, he's out
Josh Hafner, USA TODAY Published 10:53 a.m. ET March 13, 2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/03/13/tillerson-reportedly-called-trump-moron-months-later-hes-out/419673002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/03/13/tillerson-reportedly-called-trump-moron-months-later-hes-out/419673002/)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 12:39:54 PM
I agree with this.  A SoS deserves to be told in person, not even by the Chief of Staff.  SoS is the most powerful Cabinet post there is...third in the line of Presidential succession.

Fourth, but you are correct in that it is the most powerful cabinet position.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 12:42:15 PM
I can not go with the blanket statement "The Secretary of State" should always be told this face to face by the President.  Certainly that can not include every act of misconduct that someone might do.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Suppressed on March 13, 2018, 12:42:28 PM
I just hear the gladiators.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0#)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 12:43:11 PM

Well, as we're supposed to believe on another thread, this is what leadership looks like.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307721.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307721.0.html)

In reality - this is what Trump leadership looks like:

(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/01/1-trump-twitter.w710.h473.2x.jpg)

(https://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/white-house-revolving-door.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 12:46:50 PM
Fourth, but you are correct in that it is the most powerful cabinet position.

Correct you are!  I missed "President Pro Tempore of the Senate!"  Um.....Orrin Hatch.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 12:47:43 PM
@mystery-ak
Whether it was Trump or Kelly, I don't really care.    Tillerson has shown a lack of respect for Trump so maybe Trump didn't feel the gold glove treatment was warranted.

Right, because if someone else acts badly that means you don't have an obligation to react in a professional and adult manner. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 12:49:28 PM
TRUMP HAS RIGHT NOW, JUST FIRED THIS STATE DEPARTMENT MAN, GOLDSTEIN:

"Steve Goldstein, State Department undersecretary of public affairs, confirmed that Tillerson got a call on Friday night from Kelly with a heads up, but Goldstein did not elaborate. Goldstein insists that Tillerson was notified of the official termination in the tweet this morning."
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 12:51:44 PM
Correct you are!  I missed "President Pro Tempore of the Senate!"  Um.....Orrin Hatch.


Unless you're really wonkish on this stuff, most people would.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 12:52:08 PM
Right, because if someone else acts badly that means you don't have an obligation to react in a professional and adult manner.

@Sanguine
I've found that if someone has behaved and performed honorably they will and should be treated the same.   If not.....
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 12:53:47 PM
TRUMP HAS RIGHT NOW, JUST FIRED THIS STATE DEPARTMENT MAN, GOLDSTEIN:

"Steve Goldstein, State Department undersecretary of public affairs, confirmed that Tillerson got a call on Friday night from Kelly with a heads up, but Goldstein did not elaborate. Goldstein insists that Tillerson was notified of the official termination in the tweet this morning."

Its really mind boggling how much the NTs arguments match that of the radical left.     The left goes into a tizzy over something and sure enough the NTs are right there beside them.

Not saying there is a conspiracy just an obscene inability to think for themselves.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 12:54:27 PM
@Sanguine
I've found that if someone has behaved and performed honorably they will and should be treated the same.   If not.....

As you know, that wasn't my point.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 12:55:53 PM
Right, because if someone else acts badly that means you don't have an obligation to react in a professional and adult manner.

No.  The Trump mobs want public punishment, humiliation and lots of it directed at anyone who is not kissing Trump's ass in constant praise and worship.

The concept of actual professional leadership is lost on a people that want and see a presidency as this:

(http://www.powerplus.us/resources/ck/images/machines/earthmoving/D6R.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 12:58:19 PM
As you know, that wasn't my point.

@Sanguine
Sure it was, you were saying that Trump should have taken the time to speak with Tillerson in person.   Because Tillerson was the SoS.    While that is the optimium and Trump seems to do that with people who have served him well.

Tillerson has repeatedly and publicly conflicted with Trump since he got the job.  After it became public Tillerson wasn't involved in the NK announcement any honorable person would have resigned immediately.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 12:58:59 PM
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE#)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 12:59:23 PM
When the President is ready to fire someone, no matter how busy that person is, all the President has to say is please come home, I need to talk to you.  Tillerson could have been back in less than 12 hours.   Does anyone believe this announcement was so time critical that it couldn't wait 12 hours?  If for some reason, Tillerson couldn't get home in time, then yes, the phone, is definitely preferable and more professional than via a tweet.

When Trump was playing a character on "The Apprentice", he didn't seem to have any problem personally firing people, but there definitely seems to be a pattern here in real life where the "street fighter" appears to be pretty whimpy about firing people to their face.  JMO.

@Concerned
Perhaps that was the intent, until someone leaked it to the WaPost and forced Trump to go public.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 01:02:14 PM
Its really mind boggling how much the NTs arguments match that of the radical left.     The left goes into a tizzy over something and sure enough the NTs are right there beside them.

Not saying there is a conspiracy just an obscene inability to think for themselves.

Really...I find it common courtesy to be fired by the person who hired you..if that makes me a Lib so be it.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 01:02:55 PM
Its really mind boggling how much the NTs arguments match that of the radical left. 

We notice the same exact thing about how much the constant twists of pretzel logic to play Apologist for Trump, match verbatim what the radical Left provides Obama and Hillary.

For example, we were especially amused at the contortions over covering for Trump's quip about seizing guns first and due process later.  THAT was a rich lesson in how much alike you Trump Populists are with the Radical Left in being able to cover for decidedly tyrannical ideas.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:03:45 PM
No.  The Trump mobs want public punishment, humiliation and lots of it directed at anyone who is not kissing Trump's ass in constant praise and worship.

The concept of actual professional leadership is lost on a people that want and see a presidency as this:

(http://www.powerplus.us/resources/ck/images/machines/earthmoving/D6R.jpg)

@INVAR
Perhaps thats the way coddled govt employees think it should be.

In the real world executives are fired all the time in a variety of ways.   Especially under performing ones where it only represents a legal risk to the person doing the termination.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 01:04:29 PM
Quote
A senior White House official has told CNN that President Trump asked Chief of Staff John Kelley to call Rex Tillerson on Friday night.

Yup that's what I thought.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 01:06:19 PM
Really...I find it common courtesy to be fired by the person who hired you..if that makes me a Lib so be it.

'Common courtesy' only applies when courtesy is being given on a constant basis in the world of Trump.

It's an eye for an eye world out there in Trumplican Amerika right now.  Punishment and humiliation are key tactics to 'winning' in the mindset that now governs.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: LauraTXNM on March 13, 2018, 01:07:06 PM
Not to mention it was just a matter of time before Turkey/the kurds/Russia/Assad wiped them out, no use trying to give trump the credit because its simply not factually true.

And Isis hasn't even been defeated yet! probably never will, its an ideology now that is spread throughout the world.

@Stevensr123 I really appreciate reading your perspective from across the pond ;).  Thank you for bringing this up.  While President Obama made a huge mistake discounting ISIS in the first place, they were on the run before President Trump was even elected.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:07:30 PM
Really...I find it common courtesy to be fired by the person who hired you..if that makes me a Lib so be it.

@mystery-ak
Its a quaint idea that is being surpassed by the legal liability of doing it.   So Trump has probably gotten out of the habit.

I run a small company and have to do the firing.   I always have a witness present but even then I have had people go into fits of rage, try to start arguments, or try getting me to say something.  For example when I fired the guy who sexually harassed my HR lady he started throwing stuff, hitting the walls, shouting and threatening me.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: LauraTXNM on March 13, 2018, 01:09:50 PM
Hmm, I wonder if Mike Pompeo is going to strengthen FiveEyes as SoS.  He's hot on wide-ranging data collection here and abroad:

"Congress should pass a law re-establishing collection of all metadata, and combining it with publicly available financial and lifestyle information into a comprehensive, searchable database. Legal and bureaucratic impediments to surveillance should be removed. That includes Presidential Policy Directive-28, which bestows privacy rights on foreigners and imposes burdensome requirements to justify data collection." Pompeo's money quote from a 2016 WSJ op-ed.

I wonder if Snowden is worried ;).

I also don't see Pompeo as more qualified than Tillerson per his resume, as a former lawyer and Congressperson.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:11:20 PM
I don't know why I am still astounded that Trump supporters give Trump a pass for doing something that they would have absolutely pummeled Obama for.  I cannot get past that hypocrisy. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 01:11:58 PM
@INVAR
Perhaps thats the way coddled govt employees think it should be.

In the real world executives are fired all the time in a variety of ways.   Especially under performing ones where it only represents a legal risk to the person doing the termination.

Oh please stop with this (https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/trumpsupporter.jpg) garbage.

Trump is obviously not man enough to do the job face to face.  Especially his Cabinet leaders.

He leaves that to Kelly and Twitter.

That it is a coward, not a leader. A real leader takes personal responsibility, and swings the sword himself.  Not have others do it for him, and then Tweet about it publicly.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:13:02 PM
I don't know why I am still astounded that Trump supporters give Trump a pass for doing something that they would have absolutely pummeled Obama for.  I cannot get past that hypocrisy.

@RoosGirl
Perhaps because we can't get past the hypocrisy of the NTs having the same talking points as the leftists.

This world is so confusing.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:13:40 PM
Oh please stop with this (https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/trumpsupporter.jpg) garbage.

Trump is obviously not man enough to do the job face to face.  Especially his Cabinet leaders.

He leaves that to Kelly and Twitter.

That it is a coward, not a leader. A real leader takes personal responsibility, and swings the sword himself.  Not have others do it for him, and then Tweet about it publicly.

@INVAR
Just shows how little you know about being a CEO
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Stevensr123 on March 13, 2018, 01:14:04 PM
@Stevensr123 I really appreciate reading your perspective from across the pond ;).  Thank you for bringing this up.  While President Obama made a huge mistake discounting ISIS in the first place, they were on the run before President Trump was even elected.
Cheers  888high58888

I personally think we should have just left the Russians and Assad to deal with it themselves in the first place.

We (the british and americans) have already chosen wrongly when it comes to dictators and made things worse (Lybia, Iraq, syria). Dictators more often than not shoot down these terrorists and keep a lid on them.

Before the overthrowing, the likes of syria, lybia etc where relatively peaceful. Obama stuck his nose into things and made things worse! But at the same time, they were well on their way to being defeated before trump came in, mainly because of Russia and assad and the kurds. So to give trump the sole credit is a bit comical.

anyway a bit off topic lol

This current situation seems totally bizarre though, A lot of people over this side are thinking its to do with his russian comments, And I think thats probably likely given sarah's comments the day before he made them (not really taking the side of the British)  and tillerson seemed to have contradicted her the day after (agreeing it was russia).  By guess it was the last straw.







Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 01:14:35 PM
I don't know why I am still astounded that Trump supporters give Trump a pass for doing something that they would have absolutely pummeled Obama for.  I cannot get past that hypocrisy.

You and me both.

But from now on, we should expect it from them.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
I don't know why I am still astounded that Trump supporters give Trump a pass for doing something that they would have absolutely pummeled Obama for.  I cannot get past that hypocrisy.

It's breathtaking. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 01:15:22 PM
@INVAR
Just shows how little you know about being a CEO

That's funny considering the fact I am CEO of my own business.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:15:22 PM
@RoosGirl
Perhaps because we can't get past the hypocrisy of the NTs having the same talking points as the leftists.

This world is so confusing.

So let me get this straight; you think we're libs and because of that with Trump it's anything goes.  Do I have that about right?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 01:17:17 PM
@mystery-ak
Its a quaint idea that is being surpassed by the legal liability of doing it.   So Trump has probably gotten out of the habit.

I run a small company and have to do the firing.   I always have a witness present but even then I have had people go into fits of rage, try to start arguments, or try getting me to say something.  For example when I fired the guy who sexually harassed my HR lady he started throwing stuff, hitting the walls, shouting and threatening me.

I don't see Tillerson trying to punch although he probably would like to.

Why don;t you just send your secretary out to fire the employee you want to get rid of..
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:22:04 PM
I don't see Tillerson trying to punch although he probably would like to.

Why don;t you just send your secretary out to fire the employee you want to get rid of..

Because I don't have a secretary.  I fired her

I've had employees steal from me among many other things.    I could give rats ass how those people feel when I fire them.   Just like theyve demonstrated how they care less about the company.   Someone who worked with integrity is different.

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 01:22:31 PM
I don't know why I am still astounded that Trump supporters give Trump a pass for doing something that they would have absolutely pummeled Obama for.  I cannot get past that hypocrisy.

I think I finally stopped being astounded a couple weeks ago with the "well get to due process later" remark.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:23:16 PM
So let me get this straight; you think we're libs and because of that with Trump it's anything goes.  Do I have that about right?

@RoosGirl
No I think you're consumed with hatred and since they are attacking Trump and you agree with the message you just jump on board.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: LauraTXNM on March 13, 2018, 01:23:31 PM
More details from a report here with a named source:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/trump-tillerson-latest/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/trump-tillerson-latest/index.html)

Apparently State Dept spokesperson Goldstein has now been fired, as well ;(.

@Victoria33 Sorry, you beat me to this ;).
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 01:25:04 PM
So let me get this straight; you think we're libs and because of that with Trump it's anything goes.  Do I have that about right?

@RoosGirl nah they don't think we're Libs because of that...they think we're Libs because we don't agree with destructive tariffs...increased gas taxes...increasing the federal debt and giving amnesty to 1.6 million illegal aliens in this country...oh and because we believe in the 4th and 2nd Amendment as they were written.

That is why they think we're Libs.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:25:12 PM
I don't see Tillerson trying to punch although he probably would like to.

Why don;t you just send your secretary out to fire the employee you want to get rid of..

@mystery-ak
Looking at the posts it seems the only that that gets any traction here is the attack Trump threads.    Very little serious discussion on any other topic.   Perhaps I'm part of the problem and should just keep my mouth shut.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 13, 2018, 01:26:19 PM
Tillerson seemed like he was miserable anyway... anyone else pick up on that?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:26:24 PM
Apparently State Dept spokesperson Goldstein has now been fired, as well ;(.

@LauraTXNM
They could keep going to the last State Dept employee and make America stronger.   
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 01:28:46 PM
@LauraTXNM
They could keep going to the last State Dept employee and make America stronger.

Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you on that.

As bad as the State Department can be, diplomacy is an important part of what actually DOES make America great.

Not to mention the fact that, if you're overseas and have any kind of issue, you go to a US Embassy for the help you need.

Just because Trump is clueless about diplomacy doesn't mean that it should be abandoned.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 01:29:47 PM
@Concerned
Perhaps that was the intent, until someone leaked it to the WaPost and forced Trump to go public.

Perhaps and if there’s proof of that, let’s see it.

If leaks are a concern, that’s a great reason to keep the potential firing closest hold, maybe just Trump and Kelly, then if it gets leaked out, you know it came from Kelly and you fire him too.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 01:29:55 PM
Tillerson seemed like he was miserable anyway... anyone else pick up on that?

He seemed to be in absentia most of the time.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 01:31:11 PM
Quote
    Tillerson reportedly called Trump a 'moron.' Months later, he's out
    Josh Hafner, USA TODAY Published 10:53 a.m. ET March 13, 2018
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/03/13/tillerson-reportedly-called-trump-moron-months-later-hes-out/419673002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/03/13/tillerson-reportedly-called-trump-moron-months-later-hes-out/419673002/)

Tillerson has denied this just like Trump has denied his tryst with Stormy..
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 01:31:21 PM
@RoosGirl
No I think you're consumed with hatred and since they are attacking Trump and you agree with the message you just jump on board.

I think it's the Liberal Leftists that invented and utilize the 'hater' meme every single time someone disagrees with anything they say, believe or support.

Like fishes to water it is amazing how completely and adeptly you Trump supporters have adopted it for yourselves.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 01:33:45 PM
@mystery-ak
Looking at the posts it seems the only that that gets any traction here is the attack Trump threads.    Very little serious discussion on any other topic.   Perhaps I'm part of the problem and should just keep my mouth shut.

No, you know I don't want that.

Like I said it is Trump's right to fire him, my only problem is how he did it.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:34:18 PM
@RoosGirl
No I think you're consumed with hatred and since they are attacking Trump and you agree with the message you just jump on board.

I think if you've read the whole of my comments about Trump you would know that that is not true, but it's very convenient for you to remember only the negative things I've had to say.  That you cannot admit that if Obama had fired any of his cabinet members in the way that it appears that Tillerson was fired that pretty much everyone here would have something negative to say about it seems pretty disingenuous. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 01:35:11 PM
Because I don't have a secretary.  I fired her

I've had employees steal from me among many other things.    I could give rats ass how those people feel when I fire them.   Just like theyve demonstrated how they care less about the company.   Someone who worked with integrity is different.

Serious question (a necessary preface because of some non-complimentary words that came my way yesterday):  Have you had to fire anybody who worked with integrity?  Curious because I work for a large corporation, and I see solid people being laid off all the time, and I wonder what that's like from the managerial side.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 01:35:26 PM
Because I don't have a secretary.  I fired her

I've had employees steal from me among many other things.    I could give rats ass how those people feel when I fire them.   Just like theyve demonstrated how they care less about the company.   Someone who worked with integrity is different.


Sounds like you also have a knack for only hiring the best.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: truth_seeker on March 13, 2018, 01:38:20 PM
I agree.  I never understood how someone running a global oil company was qualification for US Secretary of State.
I worked for two oil service corporations; one huge one medium.

One had a former Sec. Def. on the board, the other a Deputy Sec. Def. on the board.

Our top people were constantly in the air, visiting foreign countries. The energy/resources industries usually/often involve top government officials.

So I draw the opposite conclusion from my experience, namely that the CEO of Exxon (often the largest company in the world) is well qualified for the duties of Sec. of State.

The sort of objection you made, seems typical of "the establishment," IOW career government employee types, with vested interests in the status quo, minimum risk to their circumstances.

A good book from 15-20 years ago is "Who Moved My Chees?"





Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 01:40:19 PM
I think if you've read the whole of my comments about Trump you would know that that is not true, but it's very convenient for you to remember only the negative things I've had to say.  That you cannot admit that if Obama had fired any of his cabinet members in the way that it appears that Tillerson was fired that pretty much everyone here would have something negative to say about it seems pretty disingenuous.

Personally I would have loved if Obama fired his Sec of State no matter the delivery system. They were both Commie shitbags.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 01:42:12 PM

Sounds like you also have a knack for only hiring the best.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma7m4vesnz1rdiecno1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: LauraTXNM on March 13, 2018, 01:42:25 PM
No, you know I don't want that.

Like I said it is Trump's right to fire him, my only problem is how he did it.

I am sure this won't be a popular suggestion, but Ivanka could probably soften the rudeness if she'd ask her father.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 01:42:32 PM
The POTUS and Tillerson also had serious policy differences ... the Iran deal and Paris Climate Agreement come to mind.  Rex backed both.

Trump can't risk division with his SOS if NK talks come to pass.

Then he should have worked that out before nominating Tillerson. Pompeo may be a great SoS; I hope he is! What concerns me is, if Tillerson wasn’t the right guy, how inthe heck was he nominated to begin with?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:42:32 PM
Serious question (a necessary preface because of some non-complimentary words that came my way yesterday):  Have you had to fire anybody who worked with integrity?  Curious because I work for a large corporation, and I see solid people being laid off all the time, and I wonder what that's like from the managerial side.

@Cyber Liberty
I don't fire people who were good.  I may lay them off but have never fired someone who was a good team member.   If things just aren't working I'll give them a couple months severance to tide them over finding a new job.

Large companies do it from the mind set that they can hire someone cheaper, at least the HR people do.   They generally don't value experience or contributions made in the past.   

My company is very small and its going to stay that way.   I've met my sales goals for the year and only need to deliver for customers.   Working on sales for next year and saving money.    About 4 years and I'll be able to retire.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:42:36 PM
Personally I would have loved if Obama fired his Sec of State no matter the delivery system. They were both Commie shitbags.

Bah, he would have just hired another commie shitbag, so what difference would it make?  But we would have used the event to point to another demonstration of his low character if the firing had been done in this same way.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 01:42:41 PM
No, you know I don't want that.

Like I said it is Trump's right to fire him, my only problem is how he did it.

A true leader who has to terminate a department head THEY wanted in the position, or agreed to have in the position - should be the one to terminate the Department Head person in a face-to-face meeting.

These are CABINET LEVEL LEADERS.  Not bottom-tiered employees of the department.

In addition - a true leader NEVER goes and makes a firing public spectacle like Trump has - on Twitter no less!

No class at all.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:44:12 PM

Sounds like you also have a knack for only hiring the best.

@edpc
Hiring is the most difficult thing to do.   And despite your ignorant snarkiness I have done a decent job of it.    Every business owner I know finds it difficult and only about 30% of new hires actually work out.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 01:44:31 PM
Bah, he would have just hired another commie shitbag, so what difference would it make?  But we would have used the event to point to another demonstration of his low character if the firing had been done in this same way.

Don't be a silly fool. After two losers, Obama would have picked a rock ribbed Conservative. I'm positive of that.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:45:22 PM
Don't be a silly fool. After two losers, Obama would have picked a rock ribbed Conservative. I'm positive of that.

Yeah, you're probably right.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 01:48:08 PM
Yeah, you're probably right.

I don't want to brag, but when I was sleeping with Madeline Allbright she told me that Obama wanted to fire Kerry and install John Bolton. He just ran out of time in his last term.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: LauraTXNM on March 13, 2018, 01:48:45 PM
@Cyber Liberty
I don't fire people who were good.  I may lay them off but have never fired someone who was a good team member.   If things just aren't working I'll give them a couple months severance to tide them over finding a new job.

Large companies do it from the mind set that they can hire someone cheaper, at least the HR people do.   They generally don't value experience or contributions made in the past.   

My company is very small and its going to stay that way.   I've met my sales goals for the year and only need to deliver for customers.   Working on sales for next year and saving money.    About 4 years and I'll be able to retire.

Congratulations on your success!  When you retire, will you sell the company, turn it over to your kids, or hang onto it with trusted management?  Have you decided?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:49:50 PM
I don't want to brag, but when I was sleeping with Madeline Allbright she told me that Obama wanted to fire Kerry and install John Bolton. He just ran out of time in his last term.

That's not gross and disturbing at all.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 01:51:47 PM
That's not gross and disturbing at all.

That wasn't. When she passed me off to Kofi Annon it became that.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 01:55:53 PM
I don't want to brag, but when I was sleeping with Madeline Allbright ...
There are lines Frank.... lines of decorum, public decency, and just plain good manners.

No human should have to contemplate in their mind's eye - you sharing a bed with Notsobright.

We know you are a gigalo - but why shatter our belief that you possessed a modicum of self respect?

Did Madeline slip you a roofie or were you on heroin and scotch at the time?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 01:56:44 PM
Tillerson will be speaking shortly
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 01:57:25 PM
Congratulations on your success!  When you retire, will you sell the company, turn it over to your kids, or hang onto it with trusted management?  Have you decided?

@LauraTXNM

Probably sell off the business, which means selling the customers and move on.  Kids have no interest in it and I wouldnt recommend it to them.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
@Cyber Liberty
I don't fire people who were good.  I may lay them off but have never fired someone who was a good team member.   If things just aren't working I'll give them a couple months severance to tide them over finding a new job.

Large companies do it from the mind set that they can hire someone cheaper, at least the HR people do.   They generally don't value experience or contributions made in the past.   

My company is very small and its going to stay that way.   I've met my sales goals for the year and only need to deliver for customers.   Working on sales for next year and saving money.    About 4 years and I'll be able to retire.

That's why people who are good at managing don't like to work for large companies.  One of the best production managers I ever knew had to lay off a whole team of people.  Then he went home and ate his pistol. :crying:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:59:29 PM
There are lines Frank.... lines of decorum, public decency, and just plain good manners.

No human should have to contemplate in their mind's eye - you sharing a bed with Notsobright.

We know you are a gigalo - but why shatter our belief that you possessed a modicum of self respect?

Did Madeline slip you a roofie or were you on heroin and scotch at the time?

I'm not sure you should be picking on Frank for his weird fetishes.  He certainly wouldn't be the only man in the world that has a thing for midgets. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
@Sanguine
Sure it was, you were saying that Trump should have taken the time to speak with Tillerson in person.   Because Tillerson was the SoS.    While that is the optimium and Trump seems to do that with people who have served him well.

Tillerson has repeatedly and publicly conflicted with Trump since he got the job.  After it became public Tillerson wasn't involved in the NK announcement any honorable person would have resigned immediately.

No, I didn't say any of that.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 02:01:24 PM
I don't want to brag, but when I was sleeping with Madeline Allbright she told me that Obama wanted to fire Kerry and install John Bolton. He just ran out of time in his last term.


I don't blame you, Frank.  The profane cleaning lady thing is a powerful draw.


"When a bunch of Albanians mistook Madeleine Albright for a hotel cleaning lady, the secretary of state spewed a most-undiplomatic, and untranslatable, stream of invective, a newspaper reports. A State Department spokesman wouldn't comment on the New York Daily News report that Albright was mistaken for a maid during last year's peace negotiations for Kosovo in Rambouillet, France. Albright at first wasn't recognized by the Albanian delegation when she walked into their room, it said.

"'One member of the delegation, who didn't realize who she was, and probably thinking she was some cleaning lady because it was after midnight, simply said to her, 'Give us five minutes and please go away,' recalled Albanian diplomat Dugagjin Gorani in War on Europe, a British TV program. Instead, Albright exploded in rage, swearing at the group, according to the reports. 'Mrs. Albright started using explicit language which the translators never could translate into Albanian,' says Veton Surroi, another member of the delegation."
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 02:02:38 PM
Its really mind boggling how much the NTs arguments match that of the radical left.   ...

If you think that, you don't understand the arguments.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 02:03:25 PM
If you think that, you don't understand the arguments.

Bingo!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
Really...I find it common courtesy to be fired by the person who hired you..if that makes me a Lib so be it.

No, it makes you a decent human being.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 02:05:10 PM
No, it makes you a decent human being.

And someone who understands executive responsibility.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 02:05:47 PM
@mystery-ak
Its a quaint idea that is being surpassed by the legal liability of doing it.   So Trump has probably gotten out of the habit.

I run a small company and have to do the firing.   I always have a witness present but even then I have had people go into fits of rage, try to start arguments, or try getting me to say something.  For example when I fired the guy who sexually harassed my HR lady he started throwing stuff, hitting the walls, shouting and threatening me.

It's unfortunate you had to deal with that.  I've been there too.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 13, 2018, 02:10:08 PM
I think I finally stopped being astounded a couple weeks ago with the "well get to due process later" remark.

That may have been the high water mark for me, as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 02:10:19 PM
Serious question (a necessary preface because of some non-complimentary words that came my way yesterday):  Have you had to fire anybody who worked with integrity?  Curious because I work for a large corporation, and I see solid people being laid off all the time, and I wonder what that's like from the managerial side.

You didn't ask, but I'll answer for me - no, I have not laid off people who work well and with integrity.  I have laid off some very "nice" people though.  They just didn't do a good job in the position they were hired to fill.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 02:11:25 PM
I am sure this won't be a popular suggestion, but Ivanka could probably soften the rudeness if she'd ask her father.

Now, that's someone I would like to see fired.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 02:12:20 PM
It's unfortunate you had to deal with that.  I've been there too.

I spent my entire corporate career avoiding management gigs because I didn't want to deal with that stuff.  I probably could have gotten more pay, but I didn't need the aggravation of having to manage people.  With my luck I'd get stuck with employees like me. **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 02:13:44 PM
The hits just keep on coming......


Steve Goldstein, Rex Tillerson's top spokesman at the State Department, was fired Tuesday for contradicting the official administration account of Tillerson's firing, a White House official told NBC News.

A State Department official confirmed the firing of Goldstein, who was an Under Secretary of State, to NBC News, as well.

Goldstein had only been in post since Dec. 4.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/white-house-fires-top-tillerson-161500490.html (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/white-house-fires-top-tillerson-161500490.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 02:15:30 PM
I'm not sure you should be picking on Frank for his weird fetishes.  He certainly wouldn't be the only man in the world that has a thing for midgets.

Midgets are one thing. 

You can use them for bowling balls.

But, Orcs are quite another.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 02:15:47 PM
I spent my entire corporate career avoiding management gigs because I didn't want to deal with that stuff.  I probably could have gotten more pay, but I didn't need the aggravation of having to manage people.  With my luck I'd get stuck with employees like me. **nononono*

It can be very challenging.   :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
You didn't ask, but I'll answer for me - no, I have not laid off people who work well and with integrity.  I have laid off some very "nice" people though.  They just didn't do a good job in the position they were hired to fill.

I've been working in an industry that's been shrinking for years, so eventually you run out of the good people not doing a good job, and have to start throwing people who were doing the job out of the boat.  Thus sticking the work with other people who used to be able to do their job until the the group became understaffed and overworked. :shrug:  Now nobody can do the jobs they used to well, and everything gets slip shod.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 02:17:57 PM
I've been working in an industry that's been shrinking for years, so eventually you run out of the good people not doing a good job, and have to start throwing people who were doing the job out of the boat.  Thus sticking the work with other people who used to be able to do their job until the the group became understaffed and overworked. :shrug:  Now nobody can do the jobs they used to well, and everything gets slip shod.

Yeah, that's very rough.  Good management should make it more doable though.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 02:22:19 PM
Yeah, that's very rough.  Good management should make it more doable though.

The correct way to do it is to resize the scope of the group to match the available manpower.  That's where most companies manage to kill themselves by layoff.  The green eyeshade guys are pleased as punch at the reduction in bottom line costs because of the headcount reduction, and the company crashes to the earth in failure because of all the project failures.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Bigun on March 13, 2018, 02:22:54 PM
Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you on that.

As bad as the State Department can be, diplomacy is an important part of what actually DOES make America great.

Not to mention the fact that, if you're overseas and have any kind of issue, you go to a US Embassy for the help you need.

Just because Trump is clueless about diplomacy doesn't mean that it should be abandoned.

Diplomacy is one thing and being sold out at every turn by a bunch of commie pinkos in the Department of State is quite another.  Unfortunately the latter has been what's happened with regularity for most of the 20th and 21st centuries.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: catfish1957 on March 13, 2018, 02:44:18 PM


Another day at the Trump  White House.

(https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/clowns.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: aligncare on March 13, 2018, 02:44:45 PM
Then he should have worked that out before nominating Tillerson. Pompeo may be a great SoS; I hope he is! What concerns me is, if Tillerson wasn’t the right guy, how inthe heck was he nominated to begin with?

Simple. Trump wasn’t a career politician when he came in. Being new to the world of Washington politics, and wanting to appear bipartisan to smooth things over after a divisive election, he relied on the pros in government for suggestions. So, when those picks failed him he fires them. Like Rush said today, a year into the job Trump’s now relying on his own instincts, those same instincts that made him a winner in his business career.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
@driftdiver

"But don't let the facts disrupt your preconceived notions."
I don't do word fights like you are trying to start.  I posted news about the tweet according to a news organization saying it.  If someone leaked it, Trump could have called Tillerson then rather than putting it in a tweet.  Regardless of how it happened, it appears Tillerson found out by reading a tweet.

1) President Trump told Tillerson he was fired on Friday.   PERSONALLY.

2) The wire story that Rex Tillerson "got ill" on said Friday was complete BS.   He already knew he was gone.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 02:53:11 PM
1) President Trump told Tillerson he was fired on Friday.   PERSONALLY.

2) The wire story that Rex Tillerson "got ill" on said Friday was complete BS.   He already knew he was gone.

@DCPatriot
Tillersons response is just further affirmation that Trump should have fired him earlier.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 02:56:40 PM
1) President Trump told Tillerson he was fired on Friday.   PERSONALLY.

2) The wire story that Rex Tillerson "got ill" on said Friday was complete BS.   He already knew he was gone.

DC please provide a link re Trump personally telling him Friday..I have been all over the net abd have not seen that..they have reported that Clark told him it would happen soon and Tillerson found out  this morning in a tweet by Trump..and Trump later called him from AF1

btw Tillerson thanked everyone today except Trump.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Victoria33 on March 13, 2018, 02:58:19 PM
@mystery-ak

Bob listened to Tillerson speak - said his voice was not his regular voice - it was also obvious he was trembling - Bob said Tillerson is extremely angry to sound like that.  Bob no longer a Trump apologist after Trump treating Tillerson this way.  Trump firing the second SOS man a few hours ago, just added to his disgust of Trump doing this.  Won't post on this thread again as the Trump slaughter should be over today. 

Now, have to see how Penn. special election comes out today.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 02:59:34 PM
Probably assumed that because as the head of Exxon and dealing with other global CEO's it would translate to an ability to deal with world leaders.

But as we're learning...skill in the board room doesn't equate to skill at the negotiating table.



Tillerson had a position where HE told everybody what to do.   He even told people outside of Exxon what to do.   He crafted personal relationships with dictators in countries where he did business.

In terms of negotiating skills, he's got that well covered, IMO.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 03:00:24 PM
DC please provide a link re Trump personally telling him Friday..I have been all over the net abd have not seen that..they have reported that Clark told him it would happen soon and Tillerson found out  this morning in a tweet by Trump..and Trump later called him from AF1

btw Tillerson thanked everyone today except Trump.

It will so up later in the Rush transcripts.   @mystery-ak
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 03:01:29 PM
DC please provide a link re Trump personally telling him Friday..I have been all over the net abd have not seen that..they have reported that Clark told him it would happen soon and Tillerson found out  this morning in a tweet by Trump..and Trump later called him from AF1

btw Tillerson thanked everyone today except Trump.

Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with this thread.  We're back to the "fired by Tweet" version?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 03:01:39 PM
Probably assumed that because as the head of Exxon and dealing with other global CEO's it would translate to an ability to deal with world leaders.

But as we're learning...skill in the board room doesn't equate to skill at the negotiating table.

Sure it does - skill in the boardroom requires a lot of diplomacy and, surprisingly to many here, integrity.  If your people don't trust you, it causes chaos and upheavals.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Slip18 on March 13, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
Will anyone notice?

Perhaps his family.  Ya think?

But, not me.

 **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Slip18 on March 13, 2018, 03:11:20 PM
@txradioguy

NO, I just heard he found out he was fired by reading a tweet by Trump.  Trump is a miserable twerp (is twerp a word?)

"Twerp" is a word.  Informal noun.  The definition is:  A silly or annoying person.

I do believe that is the word you wanted.

I love words!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Quix on March 13, 2018, 03:13:08 PM
Hate to see Tillerson go. Pretty crass and low class way to let him know.

I certainly don't know enough to have very firm or precise opinions but from where I sit--hate to see such.

@Victoria33
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Slip18 on March 13, 2018, 03:16:10 PM
No ... check the Washington Post @Victoria33 .... they print all the leaks they receive.

Perhaps soon, there might not be any leaks.  The President may be plugging all of the loose canons.

D.C. is gossip city.

 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Bigun on March 13, 2018, 03:17:50 PM
@mystery-ak

Bob listened to Tillerson speak - said his voice was not his regular voice - it was also obvious he was trembling - Bob said Tillerson is extremely angry to sound like that.  Bob no longer a Trump apologist after Trump treating Tillerson this way.  Trump firing the second SOS man a few hours ago, just added to his disgust of Trump doing this.  Won't post on this thread again as the Trump slaughter should be over today. 

Now, have to see how Penn. special election comes out today.

I met Rex Tillerson briefly 40 something years ago and know nothing of what he became since.  Pretty sure Bob is in the same boat!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
Perhaps his family.  Ya think?

But, not me.

 **nononono*

I just got word that Harry Frawlish of Mandan North Dakota not only knew who Tillerson was, but he also is sad at the news. He is the president of the National Gas Station Freebie Club and had an Exxon fetish.

(https://img1.etsystatic.com/153/0/8400333/il_340x270.1189861625_aqmo.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 03:19:14 PM
Quote
.@JohnRobertsFox: WH source tells Fox News John Kelly called Tillerson Friday to tell him POTUS wanted him to step aside. Tillerson asked if POTUS could wait for him to get back from his Africa trip to pull the trigger. Tillerson landed 4 am Andrews AFB. POTUS pulled trigger.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 03:20:06 PM
Perhaps soon, there might not be any leaks.  The President may be plugging all of the loose canons.

D.C. is gossip city.

 *****rollingeyes*****

"Plugging all of the loose canons?"

(Arrrgh.  Weekly meeting from heck in 40 minutes...)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 03:22:04 PM
Hate to see Tillerson go. Pretty crass and low class way to let him know.

I certainly don't know enough to have very firm or precise opinions but from where I sit--hate to see such.

@Victoria33

The SOS went rogue and was negotiating a way to keep the Iran deal in place with our European Allies.

Tillerson was also against withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement and moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem.

Tillerson may be a swell guy, but it sure appears he was working for the EU.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 03:22:51 PM
@mystery-ak

Bob listened to Tillerson speak - said his voice was not his regular voice - it was also obvious he was trembling - Bob said Tillerson is extremely angry to sound like that.  Bob no longer a Trump apologist after Trump treating Tillerson this way.  Trump firing the second SOS man a few hours ago, just added to his disgust of Trump doing this.  Won't post on this thread again as the Trump slaughter should be over today. 

Now, have to see how Penn. special election comes out today.

Again, according to Rush's show today.....

Goldstein...Tillerson's undersecretary, was fired for putting out a statement that contradicted the White House's version.

This was discussed just prior to Rush's claiming that Tillerson's illness in Africa was fabricated BS.

Oh...he was sick alright.  ....from getting booted.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Slip18 on March 13, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
Of course Tillerson is aware ... we're all aware of why he's out.  He disagreed -- publicly --- with the POTUS on major policy initiatives.

I hope he doesn't spend the next week whining about this ... it's unbecoming behavior from a former global CEO.

Perhaps Tillerson and Hillary can get together for a hot toddy and compare notes. 

Bad me, I know.  I do hate the whining, also.  He knew he was going to be fired.  You do not bad mouth the President's policies.  So he knew.  No doubt in my mind.

 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Quix on March 13, 2018, 03:26:01 PM
@Victoria33,

Don't know what happened to my last post.

1. Evidently Tillerson and POTUS have been discussing their different perspectives for some time. So the allegation that Tillerson had no idea is not quite accurate.

2. IF Tillerson found out by tweet, that was really low class and crass.

3. I liked Tillerson. Sad to see him go.

4. POTUS seems to think that the new SOS is much more of a similar mind and thought process. Time will tell.

5. I realize that POTUS TRUMP will never be able to redeem himself in your eyes, Victoria. And that besides, that, in your view, his mother dresses him funny.

6. Trump certainly has his obvious flaws. Nevertheless, as long as God is choosing to use him, and as long as I can see him doing great things against a list of evils, he'll continue to have my firm support.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 03:26:40 PM

Yeah and you can expect the issue of torture and evidence destruction to be resurrected by the media.

@edpc aaaaaand right on cue Shemp Smith is going on and on about how Haspel ran black ops sites that water boarded terrorists for information.

Keeps repeating that plus..."that's torture folks"...then paraphrased some quote of Trumps from the campaign regarding the topic.


I sure will be glad when Fox finally shows his ass the door and he can go he happily homosexual over at CNN with his pal Don Lemmon.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Again, according to Rush's show today.....

Goldstein...Tillerson's undersecretary, was fired for putting out a statement that contradicted the White House's version.

This was discussed just prior to Rush's claiming that Tillerson's illness in Africa was fabricated BS.

Oh...he was sick alright.  ....from getting booted.

So I guess that's your way of saying you can't provide a link like you were asked to provide.

Got it.  Chalk this one up to fake news I guess.   **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 03:29:06 PM
@Victoria33,

Don't know what happened to my last post.


The Trilateralist, along with an assist from diabolical men from Mars, made sure your post disappeared. If that post got out to the public the whole Illuminati conspiracy would be laid bare. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Slip18 on March 13, 2018, 03:30:20 PM
I don't think calling Trump a moron helped to endear him to the president. Sounds like Tillerson
was a Bush republican. If so I am glad he is gone. Bushism needs to be stamped out.

And you have got the feet to stomp out the "Bushism."

I was waiting for you to post something like that!  Love your avitar!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 03:31:34 PM
Simple. Trump wasn’t a career politician when he came in. Being new to the world of Washington politics, and wanting to appear bipartisan to smooth things over after a divisive election, he relied on the pros in government for suggestions. So, when those picks failed him he fires them. Like Rush said today, a year into the job Trump’s now relying on his own instincts, those same instincts that made him a winner in his business career.

Tillerson was not the recommended pick of washington insiders. He was the CEO of Exxon, not a career government guy, and was touted as one of Trumps outsider picks.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 03:32:02 PM
Simple. Trump wasn’t a career politician when he came in. Being new to the world of Washington politics, and wanting to appear bipartisan to smooth things over after a divisive election, he relied on the pros in government for suggestions. So, when those picks failed him he fires them. Like Rush said today, a year into the job Trump’s now relying on his own instincts, those same instincts that made him a winner in his business career.

@aligncare   Good post.  People loved the fact that Trump was not a career politician and he certainly was not.

His first year would have gone much smoother if he had been.  Some can enjoy a good laugh at the many changes in the first year but if they are changes for the better and involve a learning experience, what's wrong with that.

One thing I do like about Trump is that he does what he feels he should do without worrying about how it looks.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 03:34:33 PM
So I guess that's your way of saying you can't provide a link like you were asked to provide.

Got it.  Chalk this one up to fake news I guess.   **nononono*

I was in the middle of a 6-1/2 hr road trip.

There is no link.

Suffice to say that I'll believe Rush's take on things before yours.   


....or MSNBC's
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 03:42:27 PM
I was in the middle of a 6-1/2 hr road trip.

There is no link.

Suffice to say that I'll believe Rush's take on things before yours.   


....or MSNBC's

Well...you'll be the only one.

BTW...the reporting I'm hearing that contradicts yours...has all been on Fox since about 0830 this morning.

Now unless they are secretly getting their info from MSNBC...you failed...again...with the Liberal news smear attempt.

Try harder next time ok?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 03:48:15 PM
(https://i.redd.it/c5b6w2cq32l01.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 03:50:25 PM
And you have got the feet to stomp out the "Bushism."

I was waiting for you to post something like that!  Love your avatar!

That reminds me..."Why do elephants have flat feet?"

(Sigh.  10 minutes.)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 03:52:56 PM
I was in the middle of a 6-1/2 hr road trip.

There is no link.

Suffice to say that I'll believe Rush's take on things before yours.   


....or MSNBC's

"Versions" are flying fast and loose today, DC.  That's why I decided when I got up this morning and heard the news that I would reserve judgement on what just went down for a day of so.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 03:59:34 PM
Tillerson was not the recommended pick of washington insiders. He was the CEO of Exxon, not a career government guy, and was touted as one of Trumps outsider picks.

Tillerson was, indeed, recommended by Washington insiders @BassWrangler

Quote
GOP heavyweights with ties to Exxon pushed Tillerson
CNN, Dec 13, 2016. Theodore Schleifer, Elise Labott and Gregory Krieg


Washington (CNN) — President-elect Donald Trump leaned on a collection of Republican foreign policy veterans for guidance in selecting ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson as his nominee for secretary of state, according to sources familiar with the process.

Condoleezza Rice, Robert Gates, Stephen Hadley and James Baker, all of whom have business dealings with the oil giant, played a crucial role in convincing Trump's team to select Tillerson to become America's top diplomat.

A source familiar with discussions over the nomination said that Vice President-elect Mike Pence reached out to Rice and Stephen Hadley, who served as George W. Bush's national security adviser, a few weeks ago asking for good candidates for secretary of state and other positions.

More: https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/politics/rex-tillerson-robert-gates-condoleezza-rice/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/politics/rex-tillerson-robert-gates-condoleezza-rice/index.html)


Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 03:59:45 PM
Well...you'll be the only one.

BTW...the reporting I'm hearing that contradicts yours...has all been on Fox since about 0830 this morning.

Now unless they are secretly getting their info from MSNBC...you failed...again...with the Liberal news smear attempt.

Try harder next time ok?

If you truly believe that President Trump fired Rex Tillerson with no conversation but rather simply a tweet, you're delusional.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 04:01:47 PM
If you truly believe that President Trump fired Rex Tillerson with no conversation but rather simply a tweet, you're delusional.


Apparently, he was and it was over the Iran deal negotiations.


White House allies warned Tillerson's senior staff for weeks that efforts to save the nuclear deal and balk on Trump's key demands regarding the deal could cost Tillerson his job, a warning that became reality Tuesday when Trump fired Tillerson by tweet.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/tillerson-fired-rogue-bid-save-iran-nuke-deal/ (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/tillerson-fired-rogue-bid-save-iran-nuke-deal/)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Slip18 on March 13, 2018, 04:04:09 PM
I just got word that Harry Frawlish of Mandan North Dakota not only knew who Tillerson was, but he also is sad at the news. He is the president of the National Gas Station Freebie Club and had an Exxon fetish.

(https://img1.etsystatic.com/153/0/8400333/il_340x270.1189861625_aqmo.jpg)

I am saddened deeply, too.

But lay off my tiger parts, okay?

I got into this thread late, as per norm.  And now I must go grocery shopping.  LOL!

Have a great time!

I think @Cyber Liberty is in here, too.  I can never find anyone.  You have to learn more 'puter stuff for that.  Ewwwww.  Icky.  I know nothing!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 04:06:19 PM
"Versions" are flying fast and loose today, DC.  That's why I decided when I got up this morning and heard the news that I would reserve judgement on what just went down for a day of so.

Well, I'm all in on Rush Limbaugh's take/opinion.

Are you in?  Or do you fold?

The only reason Donald Trump would have done it merely in a tweet? 

To tell Tillerson where to put his gravitas and embarrass him.   Poor bastard never had anybody stand up to him.  EVER!!

Not even Putin.  Instead, he was given an Official Seal of Friendship from Russia after signing lucrative oil deals with the State-owned refineries.

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 04:06:21 PM

Apparently, he was and it was over the Iran deal negotiations.


White House allies warned Tillerson's senior staff for weeks that efforts to save the nuclear deal and balk on Trump's key demands regarding the deal could cost Tillerson his job, a warning that became reality Tuesday when Trump fired Tillerson by tweet.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/tillerson-fired-rogue-bid-save-iran-nuke-deal/ (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/tillerson-fired-rogue-bid-save-iran-nuke-deal/)

@edpc

Fox is also reporting this afternoon that Kelly told Tillerson on Friday to "watch the President's twitter feed over the weekend".
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 04:14:54 PM
If you truly believe that President Trump fired Rex Tillerson with no conversation but rather simply a tweet, you're delusional.

listen to Tillerson..he said Trump called from AF1 today informing him he was fired
I also posted Rush's comments
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307869.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307869.0.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
listen to Tillerson..he said Trump called from AF1 today informing him he was fired
I also posted Rush's comments
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307869.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307869.0.html)

Conversation....THEN tweet.   Got it, thanks.

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 13, 2018, 04:23:06 PM
Conversation....THEN tweet.   Got it, thanks.

Only problem is...if he called Tillerson from AF1...that was done AFTER the tweet.  Trump didn't get on AF1 at Andrews AFB until somewhere around 10am this morning.  The tweet as well as the breaking story about Tillerson being gone at State had already been out for 90 minutes.

They were asking Trump about the firing before he boarded Marine One to take him to the plane to fly to San Diego.

So NO...it was the tweet then the phone call.

The version you WISH had happened isn't correct. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 04:24:44 PM
   Rush is no longer a credible source for anything, Trump could indeed shot someone on 5th Avenue and Rush would say that the SOB tried to buy my TEA with a stolen credit card.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 04:27:21 PM
Tillerson did not speak to Trump before firing
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378083-deputy-tillerson-is-unaware-of-the-reason-for-his-dismissal)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 04:28:17 PM
listen to Tillerson..he said Trump called from AF1 today informing him he was fired
I also posted Rush's comments
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307869.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307869.0.html)


He says he doesn’t know why he was fired. Well, let me try to help out here. If you’re butting heads with the president on three key issues… Tillerson said nothing was gonna happen on North Korea. He was not even told that that deal had been made to go accept the invitation from Kim Jong-un.


Rush makes no sense.  Trump was the one who said this was a waste of time.


(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/uAp0lrafVL0u1f4vRZ_whA--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD0yMTI7dz02MzQ-/http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/01/16/44ECDE0F00000578-4938486-image-a-40_1506872930404.jpg.cf.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 13, 2018, 04:29:12 PM

Apparently, he was and it was over the Iran deal negotiations.


White House allies warned Tillerson's senior staff for weeks that efforts to save the nuclear deal and balk on Trump's key demands regarding the deal could cost Tillerson his job, a warning that became reality Tuesday when Trump fired Tillerson by tweet.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/tillerson-fired-rogue-bid-save-iran-nuke-deal/ (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/tillerson-fired-rogue-bid-save-iran-nuke-deal/)

So the guy who was previously the CEO of the second largest company in the world was surprised at getting fired for undercutting his boss?

That s the story?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 04:33:54 PM
listen to Tillerson..he said Trump called from AF1 today informing him he was fired
I also posted Rush's comments
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307869.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,307869.0.html)

@mystery-ak

Quote
.@JohnRobertsFox: WH source tells Fox News John Kelly called Tillerson Friday to tell him POTUS wanted him to step aside. Tillerson asked if POTUS could wait for him to get back from his Africa trip to pull the trigger. Tillerson landed 4 am Andrews AFB. POTUS pulled trigger.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 04:34:27 PM
The SOS went rogue and was negotiating a way to keep the Iran deal in place with our European Allies.

Tillerson was also against withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement and moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem.

Tillerson may be a swell guy, but it sure appears he was working for the EU.

Yes, but we knew that from the beginning.  I posted that Tillerson was a bad choice back when Trump made the choice.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 04:35:15 PM
So the guy who was previously the CEO of the second largest company in the world was surprised at getting fired for undercutting his boss?

That s the story?

I read that Tillerson used to give employees in corporate about 3 weeks notice before they were officially fired because it was the right thing to do. Never just sent out a memo and locked offices. That would be rude.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 04:35:46 PM
So the guy who was previously the CEO of the second largest company in the world was surprised at getting fired for undercutting his boss?

That s the story?


Everyone working in the White House knows they serve at the pleasure of the president. It is the ultimate at-will position. The story now seems to be how he was fired, especially after the dismissal of Goldstein.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 04:36:36 PM
I posted that Tillerson was a bad choice back when Trump made the choice.

It takes Donny a while to sift through all the posts here, but it looks like he finally read yours and took action. Congratulations on a job well done!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 04:38:52 PM
             Every Picture tells a Story

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iV1WKEPWE_Zc/v0/1200x-1.jpg)

   I never liked Tillerson anyway, but his firing can only be interpreted in one of two ways, obviously, Trump screwed it up or Trump handled it correctly but after having watched the way he handled his last 10 FIRES my experience tells me to go with the Former~Trump screwed it up.  IMHO
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 04:43:11 PM
Quote
.@JohnRobertsFox: WH source tells Fox News John Kelly called Tillerson Friday to tell him POTUS wanted him to step aside. Tillerson asked if POTUS could wait for him to get back from his Africa trip to pull the trigger. Tillerson landed 4 am Andrews AFB. POTUS pulled trigger.

Yes I know this...My problem isn't firing Tillerson but how he did it...Trump personally fired him in a tweet...then called him from AF1....If he waited until today to tweet this he could have just as well called him into the Oval and personally done it.....doing it this was disgraceful imho...
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 04:44:56 PM

Everyone working in the White House knows they serve at the pleasure of the president. It is the ultimate at-will position. The story now seems to be how he was fired, especially after the dismissal of Goldstein.

Yeah...that is my problem with it....but hey what do I know.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 04:59:46 PM
Tillerson was, indeed, recommended by Washington insiders @BassWrangler

Your quoting CNN? I thought you told me they were fake news. Which is it?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: XenaLee on March 13, 2018, 05:00:26 PM
I don't give a damn 'how' he was fired... if it's true that he was undermining Trump from the get-go.  He forfeited his right to being fired "the right way" if that is the case, IMO.  Loyalty, respect, consideration, etc.... is supposed to work both ways, after all.


Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 05:05:08 PM

Yes I know this...My problem isn't firing Tillerson but how he did it...Trump personally fired him in a tweet...

Tillerson,got what he asked for.  During Friday's phone call Tillerson didn't ask for a meeting with the President, he asked only that the President wait until he was back on US soil before pulling the trigger.  The President accommodated Tillerson's request.

And that trigger sure in hell needed to be pulled.

@mystery-ak
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 05:06:01 PM
I don't give a damn 'how' he was fired... if it's true that he was undermining Trump from the get-go.  He forfeited his right to being fired "the right way" if that is the case, IMO.  Loyalty, respect, consideration, etc.... is supposed to work both ways, after all.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 05:08:03 PM
Your quoting CNN? I thought you told me they were fake news. Which is it?

Oh for cripes sake @BassWrangler  ... do your own google search.  The information is out there ... confirmed by the President's transition team.

And I don't give a rat's arse if this truth doesn't fit your angry little worldview. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 05:15:02 PM
It takes Donny a while to sift through all the posts here, but it looks like he finally read yours and took action. Congratulations on a job well done!

Yes, I knew this keyboard warrior stuff would eventually pay off!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 05:16:15 PM
Tillerson,got what he asked for.  During Friday's phone call Tillerson didn't ask for a meeting with the President, he asked only that the President wait until he was back on US soil before pulling the trigger.  The President accommodated Tillerson's request.

And that trigger sure in hell needed to be pulled.

@mystery-ak

Yep, classy all the way.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 05:23:18 PM
I don't give a damn 'how' he was fired... if it's true that he was undermining Trump from the get-go.  He forfeited his right to being fired "the right way" if that is the case, IMO.  Loyalty, respect, consideration, etc.... is supposed to work both ways, after all.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/71056731/i-only-hire-the-best-people.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 05:23:28 PM
Yep, classy all the way.

Yep ... Tillerson turned out not only to be classless .... but a snake.

 buh bye  Rex   Take care.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 05:24:40 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/71056731/i-only-hire-the-best-people.jpg)

Why so angry @INVAR?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 05:25:26 PM
Yep ... Tillerson turned out not only to be classless .... but a snake.

 buh bye  Rex   Take care.

And, since you are trying to turn your statement onto Tillerson from Trump, what did Tillerson do that you see as classless?

And, who is Rex?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 05:25:28 PM
Yep ... Tillerson turned out not only to be classless .... but a snake.

 buh bye  Rex   Take care.

    Again, @Right_in_Virginia  We Cruzers told yall Tillerson was a mistake with his deep GWB roots but yall knew better, as always.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 05:28:45 PM
Why so angry @INVAR?

No RiV, get your meme's right. 

It's HATE that I posted a picture quote of something your president actually said.

Because - with you people - we must be constantly genuflecting and worshipping the man or we are 'haters'.

Reminding everyone of what Trump promised is 'HATE'.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 05:30:08 PM
White House still not accepting my calls.

(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bolton-red-eye-president.jpg)

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 05:31:31 PM
Oh for cripes sake @BassWrangler  ... do your own google search.  The information is out there ... confirmed by the President's transition team.

And I don't give a rat's arse if this truth doesn't fit your angry little worldview.

I'm not angry. You trump throne-sniffers, by and large, seem to be the ones that have anger management issues. I just think it's rather pitiful that Trump can't get through a year in office without firing half his cabinet appointments.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 05:32:51 PM
White House still not accepting my calls.

(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bolton-red-eye-president.jpg)

LOL. I used to like Bolton, but I saw him on Tucker Carlson's show the other day, and he came across as an angry crank. I think it's a good thing that Trump passed on him.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2018, 05:34:16 PM
Pompeo, number 1 in his West Point class, decorated artillery officer....

Of course, that doesn't change being unceremoniously dumped, I liked Rex and I heard something about the thriving on chaos on the M. Medved show today, of course, that's not Mike's view but of one of his callers.

But Pompeo certainly is qualified....hopefully, needs our prayers.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 05:35:04 PM
And, since you are trying to turn your statement onto Tillerson from Trump, what did Tillerson do that you see as classless?

Nothing. But thinking so is necessary to maintain the carefully built up fantasy world in which Trump is a competent leader.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 05:35:43 PM
   Concerning the incredible amount of people here that actually practice a devotion to their Faith, it amazes me how easily the word 'HATE' gets bandied about by some in false accusations.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 05:37:36 PM
Pompeo, number 1 in his West Point class, decorated artillery officer....

Of course, that doesn't change being unceremoniously dumped, I liked Rex and I heard something about the thriving on chaos on the M. Medved show today, of course, that's not Mike's view but of one of his callers.

But Pompeo certainly is qualified....hopefully, needs our prayers.


He was not my congressman, but he was very popular here in Kansas as the representative of the 4th District.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 05:47:12 PM
No RiV, get your meme's right.   It's HATE that I posted a picture quote of something your president actually said.

Because - with you people - we must be constantly genuflecting and worshipping the man or we are 'haters'. Reminding everyone of what Trump promised is 'HATE'.


Blah, blah, blah ... crazy shit .... blah, blah, blah, more crazy shit, blah, blah, blah ....
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2018, 05:52:57 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/71056731/i-only-hire-the-best-people.jpg)

Almost laughable, but these are the people he is selecting to help him run the country!  Sad.  He was definitely absolutely clueless when he entered the presidency. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 05:54:50 PM
   Is there an Intervention Clinic for people when their posts read like a Trump Campaign Speech?   Asking for a Friend.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 05:55:05 PM
Are you in?  Or do you fold?

It may take me days to get this straight, at the rate we've going.  I think I'll just sit at the side for a while.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 05:56:29 PM
    Again, @Right_in_Virginia  We Cruzers told yall Tillerson was a mistake with his deep GWB roots but yall knew better, as always.

Probably couldn't hear you through your wailing, tearing of clothes and gnashing teeth.   



Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 06:08:19 PM

Blah, blah, blah ... crazy shit .... blah, blah, blah, more crazy shit, blah, blah, blah ....

Yes.  It was definitely 'crazy shit' that Trump would state the following:

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/71056731/i-only-hire-the-best-people.jpg)

And even CRAZIER SHIT that people like you BELIEVED HIM!

But of course that is what defines True Believers.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: aligncare on March 13, 2018, 06:09:14 PM
It takes Donny a while to sift through all the posts here, but it looks like he finally read yours and took action. Congratulations on a job well done!

Frank, you are the very definition of a wise ass. I say that affectionately.  :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 06:10:22 PM
But of course that is what defines True Believers.

(https://i.redd.it/c5b6w2cq32l01.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
(https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/onlythebest.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2018, 06:19:22 PM
I'm not angry. You trump throne-sniffers, by and large,

Sure @BassWrangler  everyone *knows* "trump throne-sniffer" comes from a stable mind.   *****rollingeyes*****

If you don't want me to be angry with your posts, stop playing obtuse.  If you're not playing ... promise me you won't travel without a trusted companion.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 06:23:29 PM
Sure @BassWrangler  everyone *knows* "trump throne-sniffer" comes from a stable mind.   *****rollingeyes*****

If you don't want me to be angry with your posts, stop playing obtuse.  If you're not playing ... promise me you won't travel without a trusted companion.

:)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 06:41:49 PM

Blah, blah, blah ... crazy shit .... blah, blah, blah, more crazy shit, blah, blah, blah ....

Ain't it?    *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 06:54:34 PM
Ain't it?    *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 06:54:43 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c8/dd/8a/c8dd8a6b287935a36c84fde6738682c2--other-people-some-people.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Suppressed on March 13, 2018, 07:06:58 PM
Rumor has it there's not enough chaos, and Little Parade Boy is looking to mess around with Energy and Veterans Affairs.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
A major Republican fundraiser and power player with deep business ties to the United Arab Emirates reportedly urged President Donald Trump to fire Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in October, and claimed the nation’s top diplomat was “weak” and a “tower of Jello,” according to leaked email messages released Tuesday.

Elliott Broidy, a member of the Republican National Committee’s finance team and a well-known “bundler” for GOP fundraising efforts, described his October 2017 meeting with Trump in an email to George Nader, an adviser to the UAE’s crown prince, and said Tillerson needed to be “slammed,” a BBC report on the emails said. Tillerson was fired by Trump on Tuesday, after months of speculation about when the embattled secretary of state would leave his post.

Broidy specifically took umbrage with Tillerson’s lack of support for Trump’s decision to back Saudi Arabia, UAE and other Arab nations’ moves against Qatar last year. (Broidy’s intelligence-gathering and security company, Circinus, also has contracts worth millions with the UAE.)


https://www.yahoo.com/news/tillerson-weak-tower-jello-fired-175454212.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/tillerson-weak-tower-jello-fired-175454212.html)


What’s the over/under on the timeline until Mueller makes this a thing?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DB on March 13, 2018, 07:26:03 PM
The next question is, who will be stupid enough to take these jobs? Policy changes tweet by tweet...
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
The next question is, who will be stupid enough to take these jobs? Policy changes tweet by tweet...

Trump says that for every vacancy, "I'll have the choice of the 10 top people having to do with that position" vying for the job. But White House staffers have privately complained about difficulties attracting qualified candidates to the administration.

https://hosted.ap.org/republicanherald/article/558e0f93272e4e6b84e56ebf1dccbefd/latest-trump-says-everyone-wants-work-white-house
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: catfish1957 on March 13, 2018, 08:09:07 PM
Almost laughable, but these are the people he is selecting to help him run the country!  Sad.  He was definitely absolutely clueless when he entered the presidency.

Exactly, anyone of decent knowledge of management practices knows that you can not effectively enact improvements with this level of turnover.  History may show that  DJT may end up being among the most inept POTUS' in our history.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 08:19:02 PM
Rumor has it there's not enough chaos, and Little Parade Boy is looking to mess around with Energy and Veterans Affairs.

As a "rumor", that's a chuckle.

And your "Little Parade Boy", too!

But more than likely, President Trump planned to have the Tillerson firing as a Friday night news dump.  Tillerson asked that it not happen until he was standing on American soil.

We are now learning that the sabotaging by Tillerson in carrying out President Trump's agenda and demands in Iran, among other topics, that Trump accepted Kelly's advice.

....pulling the trigger soon as the wheels touched down.


But to your point..., we fully expect Pres. Trump to accelerate replacements with HIS own people...not those of his advisors/friends.


Donald Trump has made a career out of finding the best people. 

Go ahead...laugh.

A major league ballplayer can be enshrined in the HOF with a career 70% failure rate at the plate.

Someone said, "It's not so much how you played thus far...it's how you finish".   The people around you at the end.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 13, 2018, 08:22:50 PM
We are now learning that the sabotaging by Tillerson in carrying out President Trump's agenda and demands in Iran, among other topics, that Trump accepted Kelly's advice.

That begs the question, why did Trump hire someone who was "sabotaging" him?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 08:27:45 PM
That begs the question, why did Trump hire someone who was "sabotaging" him?


To be fair, you don’t know if somebody is sabotaging you until you hire them.  That said, if Trump has such a big problem with the Iran deal, why does he keep recertifying it?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 08:28:33 PM
As a "rumor", that's a chuckle.

And your "Little Parade Boy", too!

But more than likely, President Trump planned to have the Tillerson firing as a Friday night news dump.  Tillerson asked that it not happen until he was standing on American soil.

We are now learning that the sabotaging by Tillerson in carrying out President Trump's agenda and demands in Iran, among other topics, that Trump accepted Kelly's advice.

....pulling the trigger soon as the wheels touched down.


But to your point..., we fully expect Pres. Trump to accelerate replacements with HIS own people...not those of his advisors/friends.


Donald Trump has made a career out of finding the best people. 

Go ahead...laugh.

A major league ballplayer can be enshrined in the HOF with a career 70% failure rate at the plate.

Someone said, "It's not so much how you played thus far...it's how you finish".   The people around you at the end.

Did you ever post a link to what you say is the correct story about how ol' Rexboy was fired?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 08:29:08 PM
   At this rate we'll discover by morning that Tillerson was sleeping with Marla while she was still married to Trump.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2018, 08:31:57 PM
Exactly, anyone of decent knowledge of management practices knows that you can not effectively enact improvements with this level of turnover.  History may show that  DJT may end up being among the most inept POTUS' in our history.

Trump does have leadership capabilities and has made some good choices here and there, but it is troublesome how many people have either bailed on him or he's fired.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 08:37:10 PM
Trump does have leadership capabilities and has made some good choices here and there, but it is troublesome how many people have either bailed on him or he's fired.


Well, it’s like he said – he can get the top 10 people available for the positions. If he serves an 8 year term, that means they need to stick around for at least 9.6 months.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2018, 08:38:27 PM
That begs the question, why did Trump hire someone who was "sabotaging" him?

Well, that's easy.

As an outsider you take into consideration the recommendations of close friends and associates.



Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2018, 10:01:04 PM
Nothing against Pompeo, but if Tillerson had to go, isn’t there another Rex that would be perfect for negotiations with North Korea?


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Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: montanajoe on March 13, 2018, 11:27:21 PM
Well I thought I'd drop by to see TBR's take on Tillerson...

As expected its 10.5 of 13 plus pages of the same AT and  NT saying the same thing as in hundreds of other posts ...

As an always and proud NT I'd just make 2 observations...under Tellerson Exxon emerged as the premier global oil company in the world, which no doubt required a CEO able to both manage a vast corporate bureaucracy but to successfully deal with dictators to socialists, as was noted in the glowing reviews when he was nominated. Claims now that he was/is incompetent are idiotic...

Second  Trump has never had any experience with dealing  with anyone who was not working for him and was not on his payroll and serving at his bidding. In the corporate world, as we all know, the guy who has the gold rules. Government service whether civilian or military, is not the same as working for a business. Both those leadership and the peons and grunts take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States ...not an oath of fidelity to who ever is occupying the office of the executive.

I don't think that is a distinction Trump is capable of understanding, I remember very well another president, about 44 years ago who was unable to grasp the distinction between personal loyalty and loyalty to the Constitution of the United States of America .....it didn't end well... :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 11:37:58 PM
Well I thought I'd drop by to see TBR's take on Tillerson...

As expected its 10.5 of 13 plus pages of the same AT and  NT saying the same thing as in hundreds of other posts ...

As an always and proud NT I'd just make 2 observations...under Tellerson Exxon emerged as the premier global oil company in the world, which no doubt required a CEO able to both manage a vast corporate bureaucracy but to successfully deal with dictators to socialists, as was noted in the glowing reviews when he was nominated. Claims now that he was/is incompetent are idiotic...

Second  Trump has never had any experience with dealing  with anyone who was not working for him and was not on his payroll and serving at his bidding. In the corporate world, as we all know, the guy who has the gold rules. Government service whether civilian or military, is not the same as working for a business. Both those leadership and the peons and grunts take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States ...not an oath of fidelity to who ever is occupying the office of the executive.

I don't think that is a distinction Trump is capable of understanding, I remember very well another president, about 44 years ago who was unable to grasp the distinction between personal loyalty and loyalty to the Constitution of the United States of America .....it didn't end well... :shrug:

And I just dropped by to see what a genuinely vapid person had to say to defend an openly Liberal and incompetent Sec of State looking through the lens of Trump Hate. I see not one mention of Tillerson negotiating counter to the Administrations policy on Iran. No mention of the open insult abroad by this ex-CEO about the President of the United States, his boss. No mention about this ex-Sec of States open love for the Soviets while Putin poisons people in Briton and our own US servicemen. All that is off your radar as you hoist this fat piece of shit Tillerson up on your shoulders in celebration because he grew an oil company while oil prices were through the roof.

Thanks for not letting me down.

(https://i.redd.it/c5b6w2cq32l01.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 13, 2018, 11:38:11 PM
Well I thought I'd drop by to see TBR's take on Tillerson...

As expected its 10.5 of 13 plus pages of the same AT and  NT saying the same thing as in hundreds of other posts ...

As an always and proud NT I'd just make 2 observations...under Tellerson Exxon emerged as the premier global oil company in the world, which no doubt required a CEO able to both manage a vast corporate bureaucracy but to successfully deal with dictators to socialists, as was noted in the glowing reviews when he was nominated. Claims now that he was/is incompetent are idiotic...

Second  Trump has never had any experience with dealing  with anyone who was not working for him and was not on his payroll and serving at his bidding. In the corporate world, as we all know, the guy who has the gold rules. Government service whether civilian or military, is not the same as working for a business. Both those leadership and the peons and grunts take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States ...not an oath of fidelity to who ever is occupying the office of the executive.

I don't think that is a distinction Trump is capable of understanding, I remember very well another president, about 44 years ago who was unable to grasp the distinction between personal loyalty and loyalty to the Constitution of the United States of America .....it didn't end well... :shrug:

In fairness to Tillerson, did he ever have any real authority? It seemed like Trump was constantly undercutting his positions.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 12:17:38 AM
John McEntee...seems he was going to have some issues getting a full security clearance.


@txradioguy

This is probably why he was ushered out so quickly, but they still want him on the campaign team?


Sources close to McEntee, a 27-year-old former football player for the University of Connecticut, said he struggled with a gambling addiction and they believe the investigation may be related.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-assistant-out-white-house-heads-campaign-n856196 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-assistant-out-white-house-heads-campaign-n856196)

Talk about a blackmail risk.  We've had a wife beater and gambler removed from Trump's immediate circle.  Is a junkie next?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 14, 2018, 12:21:36 AM

Talk about a blackmail risk.  We've had a wife beater and gambler removed from Trump's immediate circle.  Is a junkie next?

I got a guy that can plant heroin on Kushner if you can guarantee he goes next.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 07:28:17 AM
In fairness to Tillerson, did he ever have any real authority? It seemed like Trump was constantly undercutting his positions.

That's a question that could be asked about any cabinet position in this administration.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: aligncare on March 14, 2018, 08:40:56 AM
As a "rumor", that's a chuckle.

And your "Little Parade Boy", too!

But more than likely, President Trump planned to have the Tillerson firing as a Friday night news dump.  Tillerson asked that it not happen until he was standing on American soil.

We are now learning that the sabotaging by Tillerson in carrying out President Trump's agenda and demands in Iran, among other topics, that Trump accepted Kelly's advice.

....pulling the trigger soon as the wheels touched down.


But to your point..., we fully expect Pres. Trump to accelerate replacements with HIS own people...not those of his advisors/friends.


Donald Trump has made a career out of finding the best people. 

Go ahead...laugh.

A major league ballplayer can be enshrined in the HOF with a career 70% failure rate at the plate.

Someone said, "It's not so much how you played thus far...it's how you finish".   The people around you at the end.

Excellent post! Your observations are spot on!  :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 08:44:14 AM
The Trumpsplaining is quite entertaining to watch.  Never new some of you could twist yourself into such pretzel like shapes.

Please...continue.

:2popcorn:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 08:46:07 AM

@txradioguy

This is probably why he was ushered out so quickly, but they still want him on the campaign team?


Sources close to McEntee, a 27-year-old former football player for the University of Connecticut, said he struggled with a gambling addiction and they believe the investigation may be related.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-assistant-out-white-house-heads-campaign-n856196 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-assistant-out-white-house-heads-campaign-n856196)

Talk about a blackmail risk.  We've had a wife beater and gambler removed from Trump's immediate circle.  Is a junkie next?

@edpc the report on Fox yesterday said they hustled him out of the WH so fast someone had to go back in to get his jacket and told him they'd mail him his personal stuff from his office next week.

But hey...as someone pointed out to fawning praise earlier "Donald Trump has made a career out of finding the best people.  "
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 08:49:59 AM
I guess the campaign is a good place for a gambler, betting on Trump to win.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 14, 2018, 09:31:29 AM
The Trumpsplaining is quite entertaining to watch.  Never new some of you could twist yourself into such pretzel like shapes.

Please...continue.

Oh look.

They're back to referencing us as liberals.  I guess they're bored with calling us Hillary Supporters, domestic enemies, Marxists, Leftists, terrorists and whatever other antagonistic label they can apply because we refuse to publicly lick Trump's boots and contort themselves into mewling sycophants like they are.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 09:33:20 AM
Oh look.

They're back to referencing us as liberals.  I guess they're bored with calling us Hillary Supporters, domestic enemies, Marxists, Leftists, terrorists and whatever other antagonistic label they can apply because we refuse to publicly lick Trump's boots and contort themselves into mewling sycophants like they are.

@INVAR they reached the bottom of the page and had to start from the top again.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Once-Ler on March 14, 2018, 09:34:11 AM
(https://i.redd.it/c5b6w2cq32l01.png)
(http://screencrush.com/files/2017/01/Purge-Election-Year.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
(http://screencrush.com/files/2017/01/Purge-Election-Year.jpg)

Yes that will make you happy.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 09:38:07 AM
Trump is inquiring as to how he can go about using the Agent Smith approach to remaking his cabinet.


! No longer available (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zyNyHark4xk#)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Once-Ler on March 14, 2018, 09:43:25 AM
Yes that will make you happy.
Shoot the messenger dd. 888high58888
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 14, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
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Removed by MOD

Same bullshit, different day.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: aligncare on March 14, 2018, 09:57:35 AM
I guess anti-Trump memes are ok (as witnessed by the paucity of criticism of those) and anti-anti-Trump memes are not.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 14, 2018, 10:03:59 AM
I guess anti-Trump memes are ok (as witnessed by the paucity of criticism of those) and anti-anti-Trump memes are not.

The fun part is watching you snowflakes take the Trump criticisms so personally.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 10:05:18 AM
I guess anti-Trump memes are ok (as witnessed by the paucity of criticism of those) and anti-anti-Trump memes are not.

So go into your little Trump only section and pull them out and start posting them.

No one is stopping you.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: aligncare on March 14, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
So go into your little Trump only section and pull them out and start posting them.

No one is stopping you.

Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe I’ll take you up on that.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: MOD3 on March 14, 2018, 10:08:48 AM
Stay on topic and stop the insults.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 10:09:24 AM
Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe I’ll take you up on that.

You're welcome.  Wasn't trying to be mean with the suggestion.  Just saying they are there for use to make things fair.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 14, 2018, 10:22:54 AM
That's a question that could be asked about any cabinet position in this administration.

Agreed. But it’s fair to ask about Tillerson, now, as people are impugning his ability and justifying his abrupt firing on that basis.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Agreed. But it’s fair to ask about Tillerson, now, as people are impugning his ability and justifying his abrupt firing on that basis.

I imagine at some point he'll sit down for an interview and give his side of the story.  Should be interesting to hear.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2018, 11:56:44 AM
Excellent post! Your observations are spot on!  :beer:

Never heard an Echo Chamber at 120 dB.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2018, 11:59:19 AM
Someone mentioned Tillerson and the Boy Scouts, word is that the "gay" nominee for ambassador to Germany, Grennel was being held up by Tillerson.

Grennel in turn worked for GWBush, Bush 43, http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/331716-tillerson-blocked-bush-era-aide-from-nato-post-report (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/331716-tillerson-blocked-bush-era-aide-from-nato-post-report)

So, I'm a bit hesitant when I hear people lob statements towards Tillerson per that boy scout thing, maybe he just went along to get along.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Once-Ler on March 14, 2018, 12:18:58 PM
Excellent post! Your observations are spot on!  :beer:
@DCPatriot
It was an excellent post.  I would not say spot on, but I would say thought provoking, and the exact opposite of what an Echo Chamber is. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 14, 2018, 12:56:29 PM
@DCPatriot
It was an excellent post.  I would not say spot on, but I would say thought provoking, and the exact opposite of what an Echo Chamber is.

I'll take that from you, sir! ...with a thanks and a smile    :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Once-Ler on March 14, 2018, 01:19:34 PM
I'll take that from you, sir! ...with a thanks and a smile    :beer:
Don't thank me too much @DCPatriot or I'll lose my NT cred.  I meant no disrespect by saying you were not spot on.  I have my own opinion, and my opinion is you have a mind worth considering, so I am glad you continue to post and challenge.  :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: BassWrangler on March 14, 2018, 02:20:42 PM
I imagine at some point he'll sit down for an interview and give his side of the story.  Should be interesting to hear.

Yes, it should be.

I guess the thing that bugs me most about this is how Trump lets people go. I've had to fire two people, and both were the most unpleasant thing I've had to do in my career. One of the guys was outright insubordinate (in addition to incompetent), and even that one I agonized over. You think about them as a person, their family, etc. I can't imagine them finding out about it via Twitter. That is douchebaggery of the highest order.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 03:03:17 PM
Yes, it should be.

I guess the thing that bugs me most about this is how Trump lets people go. I've had to fire two people, and both were the most unpleasant thing I've had to do in my career. One of the guys was outright insubordinate (in addition to incompetent), and even that one I agonized over. You think about them as a person, their family, etc. I can't imagine them finding out about it via Twitter. That is douchebaggery of the highest order.

I don't think what you're talking about really compares to these high-flier types.  In the corporate world, guys at this level get these nice "Golden Parachutes."  I suppose finding out in a Tweet is crappy, but I really doubt that was the first Tillerson heard about it.  To me, it's just part of a game I don't play.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 03:08:02 PM
I don't think what you're talking about really compares to these high-flier types.  In the corporate world, guys at this level get these nice "Golden Parachutes."  I suppose finding out in a Tweet is crappy, but I really doubt that was the first Tillerson heard about it.  To me, it's just part of a game I don't play.

@Cyber Liberty
Tillerson didn't find out via Twitter.   He's said that the President called him from Air Force one.

Tillerson is a multimillionaire.  While he may lose out on some bribe money I doubt he's worried about his mortgage.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2018, 03:11:16 PM
Agreed. But it’s fair to ask about Tillerson, now, as people are impugning his ability and justifying his abrupt firing on that basis.

Has boiled down that DJT and his kneepadded supporters are all bat shit crazy.  Tillerson was competent,  he just committed the orange world cardinal sin......  Dissension
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 03:13:45 PM
@Cyber Liberty
Tillerson didn't find out via Twitter.   He's said that the President called him from Air Force One.


He called Tillerson at noon, long after the tweet was sent.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 03:15:13 PM
Has boiled down that DJT and his kneepadded supporters are all bat shit crazy.  Tillerson was competent,  he just committed the orange world cardinal sin......  Dissension

@catfish1957

Yeah how dare a President require his cabinet members support his policies in public.   must be the first time in history a President required that
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2018, 03:22:06 PM
@catfish1957

Yeah how dare a President require his cabinet members support his policies in public.   must be the first time in history a President required that

You missed the point bud,  not saying its not within Trump's right to fire, but DJT's ineptnss to hire the right people in the first time.  (At least in his eyes).  It's his Clown Car now, and he's accoutable.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 03:26:55 PM
You missed the point bud,  not saying its not within Trump's right to fire, but DJT's ineptnss to hire the right people in the first time.  (At least in his eyes).  It's his Clown Car now, and he's accoutable.

@catfish1957

Yet you posted this " Tillerson was competent,  he just committed the orange world cardinal sin......  Dissension"

so perhaps you should park your clown car and put down your beer
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
@driftdiver @edpc

See what I mean about not wanting to get in that scuffle? 

I think Tillerson's known this was in the works for way longer than that, and we're arguing over exactly what time of what day the "you're fired" went down.  Executives get way more notice things are happening than us peons.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 03:30:48 PM
@driftdiver @edpc

See what I mean about not wanting to get in that scuffle? 

I think Tillerson's known this was in the works for way longer than that, and we're arguing over exactly what time of what day the "you're fired" went down.  Executives get way more notice things are happening than us peons.

I could give a crap how he found out.   Its irrelevant.    all that matters is that he's out and thats a good decision.

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 14, 2018, 03:34:03 PM
I could give a crap how he found out.   Its irrelevant.    all that matters is that he's out and thats a good decision.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/71056731/i-only-hire-the-best-people.jpg)

It just proves Trump's words were all bullshit.

He didn't hire 'the best people' - and the entire responsibility is Trump's - and Trump's alone for all the fallout that happened since his appointment to the post and after.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 14, 2018, 03:39:20 PM
Yes, it should be.

I guess the thing that bugs me most about this is how Trump lets people go. I've had to fire two people, and both were the most unpleasant thing I've had to do in my career. One of the guys was outright insubordinate (in addition to incompetent), and even that one I agonized over. You think about them as a person, their family, etc. I can't imagine them finding out about it via Twitter. That is douchebaggery of the highest order.

I know.  It's easy to sound all cool about firing people, but it really does take a toll on the firer as well as the firee. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 03:40:42 PM
I could give a crap how he found out.   Its irrelevant.    all that matters is that he's out and thats a good decision.


The fact that you took time to post something technically correct, but chronologically wrong would suggest you did care and thought it was relevant.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 14, 2018, 03:40:46 PM
I know.  It's easy to sound all cool about firing people, but it really does take a toll on the firer as well as the firee.

 :amen:

It is never fun.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 03:44:25 PM

The fact that you took time to post something technically correct, but chronologically wrong would suggest you did care and thought it was relevant.

@edpc
Did I rattle my zipper?
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
@edpc
Did I rattle my zipper?


The fact you hope that action attracts men to you is quite telling.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: XenaLee on March 14, 2018, 03:47:09 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/71056731/i-only-hire-the-best-people.jpg)

It just proves Trump's words were all bullshit.

He didn't hire 'the best people' - and the entire responsibility is Trump's - and Trump's alone for all the fallout that happened since his appointment to the post and after.

I totally disagree.  ANY employee hired can essentially 'go rogue' on the job and become a problem for the one that hired them.  Rex was undermining Trump at every turn, which tells me he was part of that deep state movement to 'get Trump out'.  Screw Tillerson.  At least Trump isn't being a weenie by keeping sucky ees on, despite poor or deliberately 'bad' performance (like most DemocRats do).

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 03:47:27 PM
:amen:

It is never fun.

@GrouchoTex   @Sanguine
It used to be really hard on me, to the point I would delay, delay and delay.   Which caused even more problems.   

I started looking at it from a different perspective.   If someone isn't doing their job, and refuses to correct the problem then they are stealing from me and negatively impacting every other employee.   Impacting profitability hurts the pay of other people.   Hurts their bonus, hurts their benefits.

So by not firing people I was hurting my other employees.   That makes it easier.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Suppressed on March 14, 2018, 03:47:58 PM
Yes, it should be.

I guess the thing that bugs me most about this is how Trump lets people go. I've had to fire two people, and both were the most unpleasant thing I've had to do in my career. One of the guys was outright insubordinate (in addition to incompetent), and even that one I agonized over. You think about them as a person, their family, etc. I can't imagine them finding out about it via Twitter. That is douchebaggery of the highest order.
@BassWrangler

This explains why he doesn't react the way you or other normal people would:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: XenaLee on March 14, 2018, 03:49:53 PM
Has boiled down that DJT and his kneepadded supporters are all bat shit crazy.  Tillerson was competent,  he just committed the orange world cardinal sin......  Dissension

But then.... incompetence isn't the reason why Tillerson was fired.  It was insubordination and the undermining of his boss's policies and agenda. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
I know.  It's easy to sound all cool about firing people, but it really does take a toll on the firer as well as the firee.

Truedat.  I mentioned a guy upthread that didn't handle firing a bunch of people very well.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 14, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
Has boiled down that DJT and his kneepadded supporters are all bat shit crazy. 

I see from your avatar that you're an "Ultra conservative in exile".  Here's hoping you stay there ...  :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Concerned on March 14, 2018, 03:59:39 PM
@GrouchoTex   @Sanguine
It used to be really hard on me, to the point I would delay, delay and delay.   Which caused even more problems.   

I started looking at it from a different perspective.   If someone isn't doing their job, and refuses to correct the problem then they are stealing from me and negatively impacting every other employee.   Impacting profitability hurts the pay of other people.   Hurts their bonus, hurts their benefits.

So by not firing people I was hurting my other employees.   That makes it easier.

You're exactly right @driftdiver

This message finally hit home to me a few years ago when I let an employee go after only being on the job for about 3 months.  She knew it wasn't working out, and we mutually agreed to part company.  I then met with my team and announced the departure (expecting to get a proverbial pat on the back from them).  Their response:  "What took you so long?"  It was at this point that I finally realized that the employees really understand who's contributing and who isn't, and we do a disservice to the employees by keeping poor performing employees in place.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Mod1 on March 14, 2018, 04:18:26 PM
I see from your avatar that you're an "Ultra conservative in exile".  Here's hoping you stay there ...  :beer:

Knock it off.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 14, 2018, 04:20:20 PM
@GrouchoTex   @Sanguine
It used to be really hard on me, to the point I would delay, delay and delay.   Which caused even more problems.   

I started looking at it from a different perspective.   If someone isn't doing their job, and refuses to correct the problem then they are stealing from me and negatively impacting every other employee.   Impacting profitability hurts the pay of other people.   Hurts their bonus, hurts their benefits.

So by not firing people I was hurting my other employees.   That makes it easier.
.

Exactly!  And, we're not doing the bad employee any good either.  Allowing them to continously slide doesn't help them in the long run. Now, if someone is having a run of bad luck and bad things happening to them, that's different.  I'll go a long way to help out a good employee who is having a hard time.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: DCPatriot on March 14, 2018, 04:23:57 PM

He called Tillerson at noon, long after the tweet was sent.

BZZZZZZ!   Try again!

White House Chief of Staff, Kelly, told Tillerson on Friday that the POTUS was beyond pissed with him for his dirty dealing on the Iran Agreement....and Tillerson 'begged' for them to wait to announce it until he was 'home' and not on foreign soil.

For some reason....which, incidentally I doubt that President Trump will do again...demurred.

"NOW, you know......the rest of the story"
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 14, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
BZZZZZZ!   Try again!

White House Chief of Staff, Kelly, told Tillerson on Friday that the POTUS was beyond pissed with him for his dirty dealing on the Iran Agreement....and Tillerson 'begged' for them to wait to announce it until he was 'home' and not on foreign soil.

For some reason....which, incidentally I doubt that President Trump will do again...demurred.

"NOW, you know......the rest of the story"

Kelly didn't just tell Tillerson the president was beyond pissed ... Kelly told Tillerson the President was firing him. 

Tillerson asked that the President wait until he returned to US soil before pulling the trigger ... and the President did just as he asked.

I still don't understand why there's so much sympathy being given to a rogue SOS.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2018, 04:31:31 PM
BZZZZZZ!   Try again!

White House Chief of Staff, Kelly, told Tillerson on Friday that the POTUS was beyond pissed with him for his dirty dealing on the Iran Agreement....and Tillerson 'begged' for them to wait to announce it until he was 'home' and not on foreign soil.

For some reason....which, incidentally I doubt that President Trump will do again...demurred.

"NOW, you know......the rest of the story"

Bravo, Paul Harvey
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: corbe on March 14, 2018, 04:33:44 PM
   And I thought it was just hannity or rush's talking points that were being regurgitated.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 04:36:35 PM
BZZZZZZ!   Try again!

White House Chief of Staff, Kelly, told Tillerson on Friday that the POTUS was beyond pissed with him for his dirty dealing on the Iran Agreement....and Tillerson 'begged' for them to wait to announce it until he was 'home' and not on foreign soil.

For some reason....which, incidentally I doubt that President Trump will do again...demurred.

"NOW, you know......the rest of the story"


Not quite.....


Rex Tillerson Confirms That Trump Called Him About His Firing Hours After He Announced It On Twitter

For starters, the outgoing state secretary essentially confirmed the timeline of events previously announced by aide Steve Goldstein, who was promptly fired for contradicting the White House in a separate statement. “I received a call today from the President of the United States a little after noontime from Air Force One, and I’ve also spoken to Chief of Staff Kelly, to ensure that we have clarity as to the days ahead,” said Tillerson. “What is most important is to ensure an orderly and smooth transition during a time that the country continues to face significant policy and national security challenges.”

https://uproxx.com/news/rex-tillerson-fired-trump-call-twitter/


Tellerson only knew it was coming, just not when or how.  Thanks to Goldstein, we know both.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 14, 2018, 04:47:32 PM
Nothing against Pompeo, but if Tillerson had to go, isn’t there another Rex that would be perfect for negotiations with North Korea?


(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/bkMYVEwTmSUci17yz.stnQ--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD0yOTg7dz0zNTA-/http://2hourjobsearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Rex-Kwon-Do.jpg.cf.jpg)

Rex Kwon Do on Fat Kim...not a bad idea.

Though honestly, I wish he could clone Sarah Huckabee Sanders and send her.  She doesn't take crap from anyone.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 04:51:42 PM
Rex Kwon Do on Fat Kim...not a bad idea.


Break the wrist, walk away…
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 14, 2018, 05:31:27 PM

Not quite.....


Rex Tillerson Confirms That Trump Called Him About His Firing Hours After He Announced It On Twitter

For starters, the outgoing state secretary essentially confirmed the timeline of events previously announced by aide Steve Goldstein, who was promptly fired for contradicting the White House in a separate statement. “I received a call today from the President of the United States a little after noontime from Air Force One, and I’ve also spoken to Chief of Staff Kelly, to ensure that we have clarity as to the days ahead,” said Tillerson. “What is most important is to ensure an orderly and smooth transition during a time that the country continues to face significant policy and national security challenges.”

https://uproxx.com/news/rex-tillerson-fired-trump-call-twitter/


Tellerson only knew it was coming, just not when or how.  Thanks to Goldstein, we know both.

So Kelly calls Tillerson, tells him Trump is going to fire him.  Trump announces on Twitter that Tillerson is done.  Trump calls Tillerson to fire him. 
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 14, 2018, 05:38:01 PM
So Kelly calls Tillerson, tells him Trump is going to fire him.  Trump announces on Twitter that Tillerson is done.  Trump calls Tillerson to fire him.

Looks like that's about the size of it.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 05:41:02 PM
Looks like that's about the size of it.

Scandalous!   **nononono*

 :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 05:44:33 PM
So Kelly calls Tillerson, tells him Trump is going to fire him.  Trump announces on Twitter that Tillerson is done.  Trump calls Tillerson to fire him.


Worse.

Kelly calls Tillerson while he’s in Africa to tell him the president is going to dismiss him.  Tillerson requests waiting until he returns stateside. The weekend passes, then the Trump tweets things while he’s flying to California. Tillerson gets the call from the airplane.  He had all weekend to call him in, fire him in the Oval Office, and discuss the transition - but he tweeted.

What a series of bitch moves from the ‘alpha male.’
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 05:45:30 PM

Worse.

Kelly calls Tillerson while he’s in Africa to tell him the president is going to dismiss him.  Tillerson requests waiting until he returns stateside. The weekend passes, then the Trump tweets things while he’s flying to California. Tillerson gets the call from the airplane.  He had all weekend to call him in, fire him in the Oval Office, and discuss the transition - but he tweeted.

What a series of bitch moves.

You forgot the leak to wapo
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 05:51:41 PM
It would appear to people predisposed to not liking Trump what just occurred was a terrible thing, without precedent.  To people predisposed to loving Trump it was a heaping helping of just desserts.  To everybody else it was just another "trumped up" story to give people something to fight about for days, with the only beneficiaries liberals who hate all our collective guts.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 14, 2018, 05:54:50 PM
It would appear to people predisposed to not liking Trump what just occurred was a terrible thing, without precedent.  To people predisposed to loving Trump it was a heaping helping of just desserts.  To everybody else it was just another "trumped up" story to give people something to fight about for days, with the only beneficiaries liberals who hate all our collective guts.   :shrug:

Well said.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 14, 2018, 06:01:11 PM
It would appear to people predisposed to not liking Trump what just occurred was a terrible thing, without precedent.  To people predisposed to loving Trump it was a heaping helping of just desserts.  To everybody else it was just another "trumped up" story to give people something to fight about for days, with the only beneficiaries liberals who hate all our collective guts.   :shrug:

I'm not sure which of those 4 groups I fall into anymore.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 06:03:19 PM
I'm not sure which of those 4 groups I fall into anymore.

You have a split personality, so I imagine you would do fine in three, maybe all four.  Except not the liberal one, so I guess it's three.  (Shut up!  No!  You shut up!  Who?  Both of you, shut up!)
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 06:10:45 PM
It would appear to people predisposed to not liking Trump what just occurred was a terrible thing, without precedent.


It was not unprecedented, at all. He pulled the same stunt while Comey was across the country. He can fire anyone he appoints (with the exception of judges) at anytime for any reason.  The manner in which he did it goes against every everything we’ve heard about him. That’s what no one wants to acknowledge – he’s not who he says he is and does not live up to the myth. The sooner people realize that, the better. He’s a massive fraud. This and other things he’s done have given us a peek beneath the very thin veneer.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: INVAR on March 14, 2018, 06:33:58 PM
The manner in which he did it goes against every everything we’ve heard about him. That’s what no one wants to acknowledge – he’s not who he says he is and does not live up to the myth.

^^^THIS!
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 06:39:54 PM

It was not unprecedented, at all. He pulled the same stunt while Comey was across the country. He can fire anyone he appoints (with the exception of judges) at anytime for any reason.  The manner in which he did it goes against every everything we’ve heard about him. That’s what no one wants to acknowledge – he’s not who he says he is and does not live up to the myth. The sooner people realize that, the better. He’s a massive fraud. This and other things he’s done have given us a peek beneath the very thin veneer.

I meant "unprecedented" in the sense that nobody has ever done that before.  And thanks for providing a good example.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: driftdiver on March 14, 2018, 06:43:20 PM
@Cyber Liberty

If there's one thing Trump is not it's a fraud.  We know exactly who and what he is.

Unlike most other politicians who pretend
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: RoosGirl on March 14, 2018, 06:47:15 PM
@Cyber Liberty

If there's one thing Trump is not it's a fraud.  We know exactly who and what he is.

Unlike most other politicians who pretend

Sure, it only depends on what year it is.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 06:48:59 PM
I meant "unprecedented" in the sense that nobody has ever done that before.  And thanks for providing a good example.


Oh, I knew what you meant CL. :laugh:  I just wanted to note this wasn’t the first time he did something similar.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: XenaLee on March 14, 2018, 07:03:49 PM

It was not unprecedented, at all. He pulled the same stunt while Comey was across the country. He can fire anyone he appoints (with the exception of judges) at anytime for any reason.  The manner in which he did it goes against every everything we’ve heard about him. That’s what no one wants to acknowledge – he’s not who he says he is and does not live up to the myth. The sooner people realize that, the better. He’s a massive fraud. This and other things he’s done have given us a peek beneath the very thin veneer.

I'm confused.  How, exactly, does it go against everything we heard (and know) about him?  He is brash, no BS tolerated, unconventional and certainly not a "follower of precedent or tradition" in his methodology.   So please explain how this (how he fired Rex) is a surprise to ANYONE.  And for the record, I would have fired Comey and Rex in a much more "harsh" manner, if possible...lol.

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: XenaLee on March 14, 2018, 07:07:12 PM
It would appear to people predisposed to not liking Trump what just occurred was a terrible thing, without precedent.  To people predisposed to loving Trump it was a heaping helping of just desserts.  To everybody else it was just another "trumped up" story to give people something to fight about for days, with the only beneficiaries liberals who hate all our collective guts.   :shrug:

I'm not in either group.  But you already know I'm opposed to and 100% against the idiot/radical left, so....

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 07:15:50 PM

Oh, I knew what you meant CL. :laugh:  I just wanted to note this wasn’t the first time he did something similar.

:beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 07:19:45 PM
I'm not in either group.  But you already know I'm opposed to and 100% against the idiot/radical left, so....

Like just about everybody else here, darlin.  On all sides.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 07:21:04 PM
@Cyber Liberty

If there's one thing Trump is not it's a fraud.  We know exactly who and what he is.

Unlike most other politicians who pretend

It's that clarity that drives many opinions of the man.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 07:25:45 PM
I'm confused.  How, exactly, does it go against everything we heard (and know) about him?  He is brash, no BS tolerated, unconventional and certainly not a "follower of precedent or tradition" in his methodology.


It’s not that he fired them - it’s how.  He waited until Comey was across the country in CA, giving a speech.  He learned about it on TV.  Similarly, he tweeted and made sure he was far away before he called Tillerson.  That’s not bold or brash, it’s gutless.  He had reasons to dismiss each, but did it in the most feeble way possible.

Will the world keep turning?  Of course.  However, I’m fed up with the sycophants talking about how ballsy he is, when it’s so demonstrably false.  Many of us warned about his duplicity before the election and are vigilant of it now, but get accused of all manner of things.  If we sound strident at times, it’s to be heard above the din of adulation.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: XenaLee on March 14, 2018, 07:52:44 PM

It’s not that he fired them - it’s how.  He waited until Comey was across the country in CA, giving a speech.  He learned about it on TV.  Similarly, he tweeted and made sure he was far away before he called Tillerson.  That’s not bold or brash, it’s gutless.  He had reasons to dismiss each, but did it in the most feeble way possible.

Will the world keep turning?  Of course.  However, I’m fed up with the sycophants talking about how ballsy he is, when it’s so demonstrably false.  Many of us warned about his duplicity before the election and are vigilant of it now, but get accused of all manner of things.  If we sound strident at times, it’s to be heard above the din of adulation.

Well... I guess I am much less concerned (couldn't care less, actually).... about the hurt feewings of the idiot left (Comey) and of an underling that works against their boss (for whatever reason).

Trump has enough real 'flaws' to address without caring about how he fires some ahole that worked against him.  Just sayin....

Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 08:04:00 PM
Trump has enough real 'flaws' to address without caring about how he fires some ahole that worked against him.  Just sayin....


Right, but we’re supposed to judge him on the things he does. Here’s something he did that is opposite of who he’s supposed to be. Eventually that’s going to bite us on something in the form of policy.  Just sayin.....
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: XenaLee on March 14, 2018, 08:06:45 PM

Right, but we’re supposed to judge him on the things he does. Here’s something he did that is opposite of who he’s supposed to be. Eventually that’s going to bite us on something in the form of policy.  Just sayin.....

Fair enough.   ^-^
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 08:46:51 PM
Pelosi (2017): Rex Tillerson is a Russian puppet.

Pelosi (2018): Rex Tillerson was fired because he stood up to Russia.

Life comes at you fast when you're liberal and stupid.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Suppressed on March 14, 2018, 08:57:47 PM
@Cyber Liberty

If there's one thing Trump is not it's a fraud.  We know exactly who and what he is.

Unlike most other politicians who pretend

Are you seriously saying that it's not fraud for someone to sell you a box of rocks labeled as a laptop, as long as some people realize he's a liar?!? 

Just wow.

@driftdiver
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2018, 09:00:39 PM
@Cyber Liberty

If there's one thing Trump is not it's a fraud.  We know exactly who and what he is.

Unlike most other politicians who pretend

Totally agree, what we see is not perfect but it's not fraud per politics...
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 14, 2018, 09:03:22 PM
Totally agree, what we see is not perfect but it's not fraud per politics...

So, the definition of fraud varies from job field to job field?  Good to know.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2018, 09:07:42 PM
Pelosi (2017): Rex Tillerson is a Russian puppet.

Pelosi (2018): Rex Tillerson was fired because he stood up to Russia.

Life comes at you fast when you're liberal and stupid.


I thought you might’ve been exaggerating, so I looked it up.  Damned if she didn’t spin wildly....


“Rex Tillerson’s cozy relationship with the Kremlin is especially alarming in light of his attitude toward sanctions over Russia’s aggressive behavior in Europe, while at the same time the President-elect continues to side with Russia over the judgment of the U.S. intelligence community,” she wrote Dec. 13, 2016. “Fawning over Putin is poor preparation for being the top diplomat of the United States of America.”


“Secretary Tillerson’s firing sets a profoundly disturbing precedent in which standing up for our allies against Russian aggression is grounds for a humiliating dismissal,” the California Democrat wrote. “President Trump’s actions show that every official in his Administration is at the mercy of his personal whims and his worship of Putin.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 09:08:32 PM
So, the definition of fraud varies from job field to job field?  Good to know.

I guess we're in the wrong line of work, @Sanguine.
Title: Re: BREAKING:....Tillerson out as Secretary of State
Post by: Sanguine on March 14, 2018, 09:24:10 PM
I guess we're in the wrong line of work, @Sanguine.

 :shrug: