The Briefing Room

General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Emjay on March 12, 2018, 10:38:12 PM

Title: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 12, 2018, 10:38:12 PM
Well, well, well.  So Mister Trump is going to meet with the leader of North Korea.  Stunning.  For someone who's universally castigated as being a clueless, all thumbs palooka of a leader, this fellow sure gets a lot of things done.  Very significant things.  One might even say world transforming.

You can hate him, berate him, and try very hard to minimize any of his accomplishments, but President Trump is starting to tip the arguments his way.
 
President Trump has his own methods, and although they're not spiritually framed like MLK's were, they are just as shrewd.

 The President's critics are practically foaming at the mouth, and aren't capable of having any rational discourse with regard to Mr Trump.  This new breakthrough with North Korea is so important in the light of world power and security, and so clearly positive, that there's almost no basis on which to criticize it, or him.

 This creates a great dilemma.  To acknowledge the obvious, that Trump is moving in the right direction, is heretical.  At no stage will those who oppose the President ever acquiesce in the slightest.  But how does one argue against Trump when there's such obvious evidence that the man is breaking through in world diplomacy?  And on a level not seen since Nixon thawing the frosty Chinese.  Nixon never got the Peace Prize, but his accomplishment was so objectively worthy the Nobel committee had to give it to someone associated with the détente.  So they gave it to his Secretary of State.  Anyone but Nixon.

Martin Luther King was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1964, the same year 'Why We Can't Wait' was published.  The prize was given because of what King had accomplished in the Birmingham march the previous year, and for the sentiment expressed in his book, including his 'ten commandments.'

In 2018, King (and Mandela, ironically) is seen as a bit of an embarrassment by the racist left.  Not militant enough.  Too willing to refrain from judging others on the color of their skin, seeing the content of a person's character as more important.  How quaint.  Fifteen years before MLK made his Birmingham march, Miles Davis rejected Louis Armstrong, because of how willing Satchmo was to perform with white musicians, and because he didn't show sufficient race rage.  In the same way, today's race militants demand unbridled anger.  This is a mistake.Racism and prejudice are terrible and destructive, no matter the color of the person practicing them.  No one gets a pass.  Not even great musicians.

Real leadership is when one is willing to sit down with an adversary, and hammer out a solution.  Martin Luther King was a great man, and thoroughly deserved his Peace Prize.  He was a disruptor who changed America.  Donald Trump is a disruptor of a different kind, but no less compelling.  He's about to confound his critics once again.  Let's hope their heads don't explode.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/this_is_what_leadership_looks_like.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/this_is_what_leadership_looks_like.html)
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 12, 2018, 10:40:14 PM
A little bit of sanity to spread around here.  Sorely needed.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: DB on March 12, 2018, 10:48:39 PM
...
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 12, 2018, 10:51:08 PM
   This Thread needs more cowbell. 

*resisting the greater urge to post a pic of Sen.Cruz out of respect @Emjay, had RiV started this Thread I would have already posted the pic..JS
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 12, 2018, 10:56:21 PM
   This Thread needs more cowbell. 

*resisting the greater urge to post a pic of Sen.Cruz out of respect @Emjay, had RiV started this Thread I would have already posted the pic..JS

Is that the same Ted Cruz who lost his ass to the President?
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 12, 2018, 10:59:42 PM
   This Thread needs more cowbell. 

*resisting the greater urge to post a pic of Sen.Cruz out of respect @Emjay, had RiV started this Thread I would have already posted the pic..JS

This was actually an interesting article.  It's much longer than what I posted and also has a lot about Martin Luther King and various leaders of the past.

I've said this before and it hurts like hell to say it, but I'm kinda glad Ted Cruz did not win this time around.  The climate is so utterly vicious and conservatism so very rare that I don't think he could have accomplished his goals.  Trump is maybe a better man for these vile times.

Ted will be President someday and I believe conservatism will rise again in the country and support his goals.

@corbe   Where the heck were you when the Lilliputians were attacking me today?  I thought I had one friend among the anti-Trump crowd.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 12, 2018, 11:03:02 PM
   This Thread needs more cowbell. 

*resisting the greater urge to post a pic of Sen.Cruz out of respect @Emjay, had RiV started this Thread I would have already posted the pic..JS

@corbe @Right_in_Virginia

Don't be dissing RIV to me today.  She was the only person who was nice to me on the thread about Trump's unspeakable behavior in calling an SOB what he is.

I was called everything in the book and a few things that aren't even in the book.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 12, 2018, 11:08:22 PM
     I popped off recently and still have bruises from my last encounter with one of the Mods, so I've been laying kinda low lately.  Besides you're a big girl (not literally) that dishes it out, also, as good as it gets.  I must admit that with @CatherineofAragon MIA I've got my eyes on a new Honey @LauraTXNM
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: endicom on March 12, 2018, 11:08:43 PM
I've said this before and it hurts like hell to say it, but I'm kinda glad Ted Cruz did not win this time around.


With any luck, a much wiser Ted Cruz will be ready to succeed Trump and with a running start to actually accomplish something.

Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 12, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
   After 8 years of Trump there won't be anything left for Cruz to save, we'll all be on our way to Canada where he can legally be our Prime Minister.   Screw you Hosers!
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: LauraTXNM on March 13, 2018, 12:18:26 AM
Awww, @corbe  888tapping cat

How is @CatherineofAragon?  Is she okay?
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 12:33:45 AM
Well, well, well.  So Mister Trump is going to meet with the leader of North Korea.  Stunning.  For someone who's universally castigated as being a clueless, all thumbs palooka of a leader, this fellow sure gets a lot of things done.  Very significant things.  One might even say world transforming.

You can hate him, berate him, and try very hard to minimize any of his accomplishments, but President Trump is starting to tip the arguments his way.
 
President Trump has his own methods, and although they're not spiritually framed like MLK's were, they are just as shrewd.

 The President's critics are practically foaming at the mouth, and aren't capable of having any rational discourse with regard to Mr Trump.  This new breakthrough with North Korea is so important in the light of world power and security, and so clearly positive, that there's almost no basis on which to criticize it, or him.

 This creates a great dilemma.  To acknowledge the obvious, that Trump is moving in the right direction, is heretical.  At no stage will those who oppose the President ever acquiesce in the slightest.  But how does one argue against Trump when there's such obvious evidence that the man is breaking through in world diplomacy?  And on a level not seen since Nixon thawing the frosty Chinese.  Nixon never got the Peace Prize, but his accomplishment was so objectively worthy the Nobel committee had to give it to someone associated with the détente.  So they gave it to his Secretary of State.  Anyone but Nixon.

Martin Luther King was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1964, the same year 'Why We Can't Wait' was published.  The prize was given because of what King had accomplished in the Birmingham march the previous year, and for the sentiment expressed in his book, including his 'ten commandments.'

In 2018, King (and Mandela, ironically) is seen as a bit of an embarrassment by the racist left.  Not militant enough.  Too willing to refrain from judging others on the color of their skin, seeing the content of a person's character as more important.  How quaint.  Fifteen years before MLK made his Birmingham march, Miles Davis rejected Louis Armstrong, because of how willing Satchmo was to perform with white musicians, and because he didn't show sufficient race rage.  In the same way, today's race militants demand unbridled anger.  This is a mistake.Racism and prejudice are terrible and destructive, no matter the color of the person practicing them.  No one gets a pass.  Not even great musicians.

Real leadership is when one is willing to sit down with an adversary, and hammer out a solution.  Martin Luther King was a great man, and thoroughly deserved his Peace Prize.  He was a disruptor who changed America.  Donald Trump is a disruptor of a different kind, but no less compelling.  He's about to confound his critics once again.  Let's hope their heads don't explode.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/this_is_what_leadership_looks_like.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/this_is_what_leadership_looks_like.html)

I'm pretty sure I read the same kind of gushing, fawning and stroking-of-the-President while castigating all dissenters lecture piece, almost word-for-word in the essays and Op-Ed treatises the MSM vomited forth when Obama was going to go and meet and shake hands with Raul Castro.

I'm almost sure of it.

Funny that today because it is Trump - the idea of taking a wait-and-see-what-actually-transpires caution that the very same people tossed out with Obama meeting Castro, is today discarded.

Because it's Trump.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 12:43:23 AM
Awww, @corbe  888tapping cat

How is @CatherineofAragon?  Is she okay?

   I suspect she's fine @LauraTXNM, pursuing other hobbies/interests, she lurks from time to time, she's probably just recharging her 'suffer no fools' batteries as we all do from time to time.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 13, 2018, 01:07:46 AM
A little bit of sanity to spread around here.  Sorely needed.

Trying to convince yourself are you?  I think we will hold out for the details before we declare anything with Rocket man and the Donald sane.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 01:20:41 AM
   I suspect she's fine @LauraTXNM, pursuing other hobbies/interests, she lurks from time to time, she's probably just recharging her 'suffer no fools' batteries as we all do from time to time.

I miss @CatherineofAragon terribly.  My heart hurts every time I think about it.... 8888crybaby
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 01:23:42 AM
Trying to convince yourself are you?  I think we will hold out for the details before we declare anything with Rocket man and the Donald sane.

Oh just finally admit it. You love Trump and talk about him with people in the check out line. Your act here is just a fraud and it is very apparent.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 13, 2018, 01:26:32 AM
Oh just finally admit it. You love Trump and talk about him with people in the check out line. Your act here is just a fraud and it is very apparent.

LOL!
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 01:58:17 AM

With any luck, a much wiser Ted Cruz will be ready to succeed Trump and with a running start to actually accomplish something.

That is my fond hope.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 02:00:57 AM
Trying to convince yourself are you?  I think we will hold out for the details before we declare anything with Rocket man and the Donald sane.

@Chosen Daughter

I hope you could bring yourself to fight through the Trump hate and actually read the article. 

It was both interesting and informative about leaders in the past and present.

But I'm not gonna argue with Trump haters any more.  It's a waste of time.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 02:06:29 AM
     I popped off recently and still have bruises from my last encounter with one of the Mods, so I've been laying kinda low lately.  Besides you're a big girl (not literally) that dishes it out, also, as good as it gets.  I must admit that with @CatherineofAragon MIA I've got my eyes on a new Honey @LauraTXNM

I know.  I am a big girl well able to defend myself and my opinions.  But there is so much ignorance and so little time.

@LauraTXNM might be a good girlfriend for you but she gets pretty hot if you diss El Paso so watch it.

Without the Cowboy to abuse, CofA didn't have much reason for living.

After my 'discussion' today with people who were totally freaked out by Trump's language, I briefly considered taking a long break from this forum.

There is no excuse whatever for the behavior of some of the posters here.

But I'll probably hang in here for a while.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 02:11:33 AM
   After 8 years of Trump there won't be anything left for Cruz to save, we'll all be on our way to Canada where he can legally be our Prime Minister.   Screw you Hosers!

@corbe   Aside from your personal distaste for the man, I can't figure out why you think Trump is ruining the country.

There are no facts to support that.  And don't give me the no wall, no obamacare repeal, no this, no that.  It's been one year with absolute viciousness from the press, a smarmy bunch of losers in the Senate, and a lot of leftover Obama judges who try to stop him at every turn.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: LauraTXNM on March 13, 2018, 03:23:37 AM
I know.  I am a big girl well able to defend myself and my opinions.  But there is so much ignorance and so little time.

@LauraTXNM might be a good girlfriend for you but she gets pretty hot if you diss El Paso so watch it.

Without the Cowboy to abuse, CofA didn't have much reason for living.

After my 'discussion' today with people who were totally freaked out by Trump's language, I briefly considered taking a long break from this forum.

There is no excuse whatever for the behavior of some of the posters here.

But I'll probably hang in here for a while.

@Emjay Wait, do you have an island???  And your kids are coming to visit?  I'm so jealous!
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 08:28:32 AM
Real leadership is when one is willing to sit down with an adversary, and hammer out a solution. 

This sentence is the crux of what I think is wrong about all the premature celebrations, accolades, and tributes for Trump simply accepting a meeting with a dictator (which is all that's actually happened to date).  Contrary to Tim Mostert's assertion above, I don't think "real leadership" is about being willing to sit down and hammer out a solution, it's about ACTUALLY hammering out the solution. 

If in this case, Trump gets North Korea to actually denuke and he gets inspectors access to all of North Korea to verify this, I'll give the President all the credit in the world.  No one else has been able to accomplish that, and if he does, he'll deserve all that credit.  That's a huge IF and we're a long way from it IMO.  Until the solution is actually hammered out, I'm not going to celebrate someone who's simply willing to solve a problem.  Let's solve it THEN let's celebrate! 
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 10:02:48 AM
Is that the same Ted Cruz who lost his ass to the President?

You sure are a fair weather fan.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 10:06:13 AM
You sure are a fair weather fan.

Listen. I'm about done listening to people tell me how awesome 1st loser was in a race and how he would do such a great job. To do a great job you have to get it first. The Cruz bullshit on this site is like listening to some degenerate alcoholic at the bar talk about how Tampa Bay was cheated out of the Super Bowl this year.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: jpsb on March 13, 2018, 10:17:51 AM
But I'll probably hang in here for a while.

Please do, you are one of the few here I respect @Emjay and enjoy conversing with as long as the
topic is not Bush. LOL.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: jpsb on March 13, 2018, 10:23:35 AM
Listen. I'm about done listening to people tell me how awesome 1st loser was in a race and how he would do such a great job. To do a great job you have to get it first. The Cruz bullshit on this site is like listening to some degenerate alcoholic at the bar talk about how Tampa Bay was cheated out of the Super Bowl this year.

It does get very tiring. Reminds me of the Paul bots for Ron Paul. I liked Paul, he was my
Congressman. But the cult of Paul did much to diminish him at a voice of reason in DC. I
fear the Cult of Cruz (pretty much the same people) will do the same to Cruz. Cruz will never
be president since Cruz is not a natural born citizen.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2018, 10:23:57 AM
   This Thread needs more cowbell. 

*resisting the greater urge to post a pic of Sen.Cruz out of respect @Emjay, had RiV started this Thread I would have already posted the pic..JS

You mean like this one?  Couldn't resist; after all he does live rent free in some people's minds.

(http://media.beam.usnews.com/1c/a6/398667d04daf90ae33e06cd15f3e/160125-tedcruz-editorial.jpg)
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on March 13, 2018, 11:33:05 AM
You sure are a fair weather fan.

Screw Cruz. Pharma whore.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 13, 2018, 11:54:14 AM
I think that in the era of Trump THIS:

(https://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/white-house-revolving-door.jpg)

Is what leadership looks like.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 12:02:54 PM
@corbe @Right_in_Virginia

Don't be dissing RIV to me today.  She was the only person who was nice to me on the thread about Trump's unspeakable behavior in calling an SOB what he is.

I was called everything in the book and a few things that aren't even in the book.

I said some very nice things about you on that thread, including that I was sorry you were leaving.

Now I can say, that I'm glad you didn't leave!

We may disagree (well, we DO disagree) about Trump, but you're A-OK in my book!   :patriot:
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 12:06:24 PM
I miss @CatherineofAragon terribly.  My heart hurts every time I think about it.... 8888crybaby

Me too.

She really, really needs to come back!  She can fight back admirably, but she was beat up so bad by some very icky boys that I understand why she needed a break.

Fighting against smears all the time can wear a person out......

@CatherineofAragon
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 12:24:22 PM
Listen. I'm about done listening to people tell me how awesome 1st loser was in a race and how he would do such a great job. To do a great job you have to get it first. The Cruz bullshit on this site is like listening to some degenerate alcoholic at the bar talk about how Tampa Bay was cheated out of the Super Bowl this year.

I don't disagree. Just making notes for my tell-all book.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 01:12:19 PM
@Emjay Wait, do you have an island???  And your kids are coming to visit?  I'm so jealous!

@LauraTXNM   Hah.  I wish!  I don't have an Island but I've lived on Maui for 3 years and I love it here.  My daughter lives next door with her husband.  They are both wonderful and her husband is fantastic.  It's like having a handyman who can do anything right next door.

My son (also wonderful) and his wife, my DIL that I adore live in the second best place in the world, Canon City, Colorado.  They left yesterday.  They were here a week and it was great having them.  My son loves Kihei (our town on Maui).  He would move here in a minute if he could.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 01:15:23 PM
I said some very nice things about you on that thread, including that I was sorry you were leaving.

Now I can say, that I'm glad you didn't leave!

We may disagree (well, we DO disagree) about Trump, but you're A-OK in my book!   :patriot:

Yes, we disagree but I like you also.

This forum is wonderful for discussion but some people love to fight.  I tried to get on a long thread yesterday about Trump's accomplishments but the Mods had just shut it down for infighting.
Kinda sad.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 01:20:31 PM
This sentence is the crux of what I think is wrong about all the premature celebrations, accolades, and tributes for Trump simply accepting a meeting with a dictator (which is all that's actually happened to date).  Contrary to Tim Mostert's assertion above, I don't think "real leadership" is about being willing to sit down and hammer out a solution, it's about ACTUALLY hammering out the solution. 

If in this case, Trump gets North Korea to actually denuke and he gets inspectors access to all of North Korea to verify this, I'll give the President all the credit in the world.  No one else has been able to accomplish that, and if he does, he'll deserve all that credit.  That's a huge IF and we're a long way from it IMO.  Until the solution is actually hammered out, I'm not going to celebrate someone who's simply willing to solve a problem.  Let's solve it THEN let's celebrate!

@Concerned   You cannot solve a problem unless you're willing to TRY to solve it and even take the risk of failing.  Please, a tiny bit of credit for the effort.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2018, 01:20:36 PM
Yes, we disagree but I like you also.

This forum is wonderful for discussion but some people love to fight.  I tried to get on a long thread yesterday about Trump's accomplishments but the Mods had just shut it down for infighting.
Kinda sad.

I agree.   I like a lively debate, and sometimes get sucked into things I shouldn't, but the non-stop bickering of some really brings the forum down, IMO.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 01:24:46 PM
Yes, we disagree but I like you also.

This forum is wonderful for discussion but some people love to fight.  I tried to get on a long thread yesterday about Trump's accomplishments but the Mods had just shut it down for infighting.
Kinda sad.

I think they reopened it.  But who wants to go there now, after all the spilt blood?
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 01:38:00 PM
@Concerned   You cannot solve a problem unless you're willing to TRY to solve it and even take the risk of failing.  Please, a tiny bit of credit for the effort.


@Emjay

When I was working, I used to have an executive or two working for me who wanted to get credit for "the effort".  As I told them, our Board of Directors and shareholders aren't compensating us for "effort", they are compensating us for "results".  Most of these executives who wanted credit just for effort didn't last that long under me.

This is even more true with the President of the United States IMO.  The American People don't vote them in for "effort", we (at least most of us, I think), voted them in for "results".  "Real leadership" is just not about "effort" IMO, it's about "results" period. At least IMO.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 01:39:46 PM
I know.  I am a big girl well able to defend myself and my opinions.  But there is so much ignorance and so little time.

@LauraTXNM might be a good girlfriend for you but she gets pretty hot if you diss El Paso so watch it.

Without the Cowboy to abuse, CofA didn't have much reason for living.

After my 'discussion' today with people who were totally freaked out by Trump's language, I briefly considered taking a long break from this forum.

There is no excuse whatever for the behavior of some of the posters here.

But I'll probably hang in here for a while.

@Emjay Good stay here..this is a political forum and there is bound to be major disagreements not to be taken too seriously I hope....we are all Briefers!
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 01:42:23 PM
I don't disagree. Just making notes for my tell-all book.

I gotta note for you..........D Major.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:47:51 PM
I gotta note for you..........D Major.

D Major isn't a note, it's a scale made up of several notes.   :tongue2:
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 01:48:58 PM
I gotta note for you..........D Major.

That's not a note, that's a chord....
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 01:49:27 PM
D Major isn't a note, it's a scale made up of several notes.   :tongue2:

Then you are getting a bargain.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 13, 2018, 01:51:16 PM
Then you are getting a bargain.

I hope one of them is a copy of one of the love notes you wrote to Madeline.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 13, 2018, 01:52:59 PM
I hope one of them is a copy of one of the love notes you wrote to Madeline.

She liked braile so I would punch her in the face.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 01:53:54 PM
@Emjay Good stay here..this is a political forum and there is bound to be major disagreements not to be taken too seriously I hope....we are all Briefers!

Oh yeah?

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4d/91/aa/4d91aa97c283f524b4ccfd0f6602cc4a.jpg) :whistle:
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
Oh yeah?

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4d/91/aa/4d91aa97c283f524b4ccfd0f6602cc4a.jpg) :whistle:

 ****slapping
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 01:59:41 PM
   One of my favorite beer joints is across the street from a MHMR Clinic (Mental Health/Mental Retardation), I always park my car at the clinic and walk across the street so no one knows I go to that bar, with that being said My Mother still thinks I'm over at TOS.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 02:07:56 PM
****slapping

I was going to post the slappies preemptively, but I was afraid you might think I was slapping at you...I chose the whistler instead.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: truth_seeker on March 13, 2018, 02:09:59 PM
This sentence is the crux of what I think is wrong about all the premature celebrations, accolades, and tributes for Trump simply accepting a meeting with a dictator (which is all that's actually happened to date).  Contrary to Tim Mostert's assertion above, I don't think "real leadership" is about being willing to sit down and hammer out a solution, it's about ACTUALLY hammering out the solution. 

If in this case, Trump gets North Korea to actually denuke and he gets inspectors access to all of North Korea to verify this, I'll give the President all the credit in the world.  No one else has been able to accomplish that, and if he does, he'll deserve all that credit.  That's a huge IF and we're a long way from it IMO.  Until the solution is actually hammered out, I'm not going to celebrate someone who's simply willing to solve a problem.  Let's solve it THEN let's celebrate!

Some people get up everyday, enthusiastic and positive. At worst the world is only half-full.

And some people get up dark and dreary, and the world is at best, half-empty.

You seem inclined to find all of the reasons for negativity. Chances are, the team didn't crown you "most inspirational."
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 02:13:26 PM
   Au Contraire @truth_seeker Some of us have indeed bestowed the honour of the 'Inspiration' award to the likes of @INVAR, @Concerned and @edpc.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
Some people get up everyday, enthusiastic and positive. At worst the world is only half-full.

And some people get up dark and dreary, and the world is at best, half-empty.

You seem inclined to find all of the reasons for negativity. Chances are, the team didn't crown you "most inspirational."

I spent virtually my entire career trying to satisfy the shareholders of the companies I worked for by increasing shareholder value  That was my number one priority.  I taught this to all who worked for me, and they, like me, reaped the benefits of this approach when those companies were wildly successful.  Most of my employees found this incredibly "inspirational", but it does require a level of accountability that isn't for everyone.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 02:24:56 PM
   One of my favorite beer joints is across the street from a MHMR Clinic (Mental Health/Mental Retardation), I always park my car at the clinic and walk across the street so no one knows I go to that bar, with that being said My Mother still thinks I'm over at TOS.

It's better to have Mom thinking I'm going to the MHMR Clinic than going to the joint across the street.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 02:25:57 PM
   Au Contraire @truth_seeker Some of us have indeed bestowed the honour of the 'Inspiration' award to the likes of @INVAR, @Concerned and @edpc.

WOW!  Thanks.   :beer:

@corbe
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 02:26:23 PM
I spent virtually my entire career trying to satisfy the shareholders of the companies I worked for by increasing shareholder value  That was my number one priority.  I taught this to this to all who worked for me, and they, like me, reaped the benefits of this approach when those companies were wildly successful.  Most of my employees found this incredibly "inspirational", but it does require a level of accountability that isn't for everyone.

That's a good approach because it keeps all the horses pulling in the same direction.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2018, 02:35:37 PM
That's a good approach because it keeps all the horses pulling in the same direction.

Exactly!  You obviously get it.  Even today, I teach a leadership class to executives, and I tell them that when they have the really tough decisions to make (e.g., personnel, investment, strategy, whatever), they really need to focus on the solution that adds the most shareholder value to the company's owners.  If management is able to focus on and prioritize that, decision making (particularly the tough jump balls) can become just a bit little easier.  This also provided clear prioritization and focus to the entire management team.  It's a fairly simple concept, but I'm amazed at how many executives lose sight of it.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 02:58:31 PM
@Emjay Good stay here..this is a political forum and there is bound to be major disagreements not to be taken too seriously I hope....we are all Briefers!

@mystery-ak  well ...  I actually wasn't threatening to leave TBR. Hah.  I was just announcing that I was leaving that particular thread.

It would have to get much worse for me to leave this forum, partly because of how much I like and respect you.

I do think that many posters here, particularly the Trump haters, need to grow up.  We can discuss things without personal attacks and childish insults.

But, I'm in, unless something really dire happens.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 03:02:12 PM
I think they reopened it.  But who wants to go there now, after all the spilt blood?

I know.  It's ruined for all time now and it didn't have to happen.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 03:06:24 PM

@Emjay

When I was working, I used to have an executive or two working for me who wanted to get credit for "the effort".  As I told them, our Board of Directors and shareholders aren't compensating us for "effort", they are compensating us for "results".  Most of these executives who wanted credit just for effort didn't last that long under me.

This is even more true with the President of the United States IMO.  The American People don't vote them in for "effort", we (at least most of us, I think), voted them in for "results".  "Real leadership" is just not about "effort" IMO, it's about "results" period. At least IMO.

@Concerned   Your working experience may have been valuable in many ways but your logic on this particular matter is flawed.

You cannot succeed unless you try.  You cannot try if you are too afraid of failing to even try.

Trump is trying to resolve the situation with a mad dictator.  That is a good thing and deserves a little respect.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2018, 03:14:34 PM
@Concerned   Your working experience may have been valuable in many ways but your logic on this particular matter is flawed.

You cannot succeed unless you try.  You cannot try if you are too afraid of failing to even try.

Trump is trying to resolve the situation with a mad dictator.  That is a good thing and deserves a little respect.

Failing to try isn't even putting in the effort.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2018, 03:20:57 PM
@mystery-ak  well ...  I actually wasn't threatening to leave TBR. Hah.  I was just announcing that I was leaving that particular thread.

It would have to get much worse for me to leave this forum, partly because of how much I like and respect you.

I do think that many posters here, particularly the Trump haters, need to grow up.  We can discuss things without personal attacks and childish insults.

But, I'm in, unless something really dire happens.

 :bighug:
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 03:26:01 PM
Failing to try isn't even putting in the effort.

I know.  And Trump probably realized the dangers inherent in attempting this negotiation.

Frankly, I don't think it will happen.  Kim Jong Ill is a weird dude and will probably throw some sort of roadblock up.

But, yeah, I just don't understand @Concerned ... Frankly, he sounds like someone I would not want to work for.  Fear of failing and thus not trying is not exactly admirable.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 05:15:54 PM
   @edpc pegged it with his initial post @Emjay all this lavish praise just for announcing he's willing to sit down and talk with Little Rocket Man means nothing, Like Trump telling his now fired SoS two weeks ago "Your wasting your time negotiating" even GWB didn't bother with negotiations.  I'm not saying that the 'Strategery Patience' was a policy worthy of results but I'll wait till it's more than WH press releases about a meeting before 'I' give him credit, but you knew that already.

   EDIT:  It was @Concerned not @edpc
Quote
This sentence is the crux of what I think is wrong about all the premature celebrations, accolades, and tributes for Trump simply accepting a meeting with a dictator (which is all that's actually happened to date).  Contrary to Tim Mostert's assertion above, I don't think "real leadership" is about being willing to sit down and hammer out a solution, it's about ACTUALLY hammering out the solution. 

If in this case, Trump gets North Korea to actually denuke and he gets inspectors access to all of North Korea to verify this, I'll give the President all the credit in the world.  No one else has been able to accomplish that, and if he does, he'll deserve all that credit.  That's a huge IF and we're a long way from it IMO.  Until the solution is actually hammered out, I'm not going to celebrate someone who's simply willing to solve a problem.  Let's solve it THEN let's celebrate! 
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Sanguine on March 13, 2018, 05:26:58 PM
Screw Cruz. Pharma whore.

What? 
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 05:29:51 PM
   @edpc pegged it with his initial post @Emjay all this lavish praise just for announcing he's willing to sit down and talk with Little Rocket Man means nothing, Like Trump telling his now fired SoS two weeks ago "Your wasting your time negotiating" even GWB didn't bother with negotiations.  I'm not saying that the 'Strategery Patience' was a policy worthy of results but I'll wait till it's more than WH press releases about a meeting before 'I' give him credit, but you knew that already.

   EDIT:  It was @Concerned not @edpc

@corbe   So wrong on so many levels. 

There was no lavish praise.  There was praise and hope.  You and @Concerned are so set in your anti-Trump paradise that you have lost all sense of reality.

A lot of people are glad that Trump is trying to avoid My home state being hit with a REAL warning next time.

Why aren't you?
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2018, 05:32:26 PM
Screw Cruz. Pharma whore.

???? Having problems today??
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 05:47:12 PM
  I can not speak for Concerned but certainly my reality clashes with yours and a few others here, I wouldn't have it any other way.

  I wouldn't want anyone to wipe out your Home State @Emjay, besides you, I love your pineapple, too.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 13, 2018, 05:49:55 PM
    More Cowbell!   


Goldman Sachs Bit@h!

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/cruz-goldman-sachs.jpg?w=379&h=490)
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
  I can not speak for Concerned but certainly my reality clashes with yours and a few others here, I wouldn't have it any other way.

  I wouldn't want anyone to wipe out your Home State @Emjay, besides you, I love your pineapple, too.
@corbe

Your reality clashes with reality, corbe.

Just because you hate Trump should not cause you to lose all sense of balance where he is concerned.

I think both you and Ed start from a position just a little south of reality where Trump is involved.

No one is saying that Trump's efforts to negotiate with kim jong very ill will be successful.  I actually doubt they will happen.

But Trump put it out there and he is willing to do it.  A successful effort to reach some sort of comity with NK would be good for everybody.

What the heck is your problem?

Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 13, 2018, 06:18:22 PM
    More Cowbell!   


Goldman Sachs Bit@h!

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/cruz-goldman-sachs.jpg?w=379&h=490)

That is so not funny anymore, @corbe
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Concerned on March 14, 2018, 07:36:43 AM
@Concerned   Your working experience may have been valuable in many ways but your logic on this particular matter is flawed.

You cannot succeed unless you try.  You cannot try if you are too afraid of failing to even try.

Trump is trying to resolve the situation with a mad dictator.  That is a good thing and deserves a little respect.

@Emjay

I believe Jimmy Carter "tried" to be a good President.  He failed because he didn't get results.  Of course Trump is "trying to resolve the situation with a mad dictator".  I would argue that other President "tried" also:  Clinton negotiated and put into place the "Agreed Framework"; Bush suspended the Clinton agreement, instituted "6 Party Talks, and established a "dismantle first, talk later” policy; Obama offered to negotiate with North Korea during his inauguration speech, having seen Bush's tough talk fail, he switched to "strategic patience", the Obama Administration also got the UN Security Council to place tougher sanctions on North Korea.  You act as though no other President has ever "tried" to solve this problem.  That is absolute nonsense.  They "tried", but they FAILED because they didn't get results.  Most just don't celebrate "trying".

I believe most stakeholders care about results not trying.  We don't reward the losing team from the Super Bowl because they "tried to win".  Board members and shareholders don't reward CEOs for "trying" to add shareholder value, and I contend most people (beyond the sycophants) don't simply respect a President for "trying to solve a problem".  I think most of us expect actual results from our Presidents not just effort.  As I've said, if Trump gets North Korea to denuke and gets access to the entire country for inspectors, I'll gladly give the President all the credit in the world.  Unfortunately, we aren't there yet.

Leadership is a subject that is near and dear to my heart.  Fortunately, it's also something about which I've had a little bit of experience.  This concept that "real leadership" is just about "trying" is utter nonsense IMO.  It flies in the face of every leadership course I've ever seen.  We may reward junior folks for effort and trying, but once you reach a certain level, I think most stakeholders expect results from their leaders.  You and I will never agree on this, but I think most people (e.g., sports fans, shareholders, voters) in the "real world" agree with me:  leadership is about results.  Have a nice day though.   :seeya:
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on March 14, 2018, 08:32:30 AM
What?

I've posted the proof and explained it numerous times already, but you BELIEVE in the Counseling, Mind Control, and Pharmaceutical Intervention Industry, despite the mountains and mountains of Non-Industry money corrupted Clinical Trial and Meta-Analytic compilations I've provided.

There's no sense in my going through it again a 6th time of a 6th Hundredth time.

Look up the RESULT act Cruz spit up in cahoots with that other phony conservative Mike Lee.

And Moderators have deleted my posts for my troubles while allowing other members here to openly call members who they disagree with "azzholes, idiots, and unicorn-chasers". I have never descended to that type of personal insult no matter How vehemently I disagree with another member's POV.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: txradioguy on March 14, 2018, 09:13:31 AM
Quote
This Is What Leadership Looks Like

(http://cdn.emgn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/EMGNgoodfellas3.jpg)
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Sanguine on March 14, 2018, 09:55:02 AM
I've posted the proof and explained it numerous times already, but you BELIEVE in the Counseling, Mind Control, and Pharmaceutical Intervention Industry, despite the mountains and mountains of Non-Industry money corrupted Clinical Trial and Meta-Analytic compilations I've provided.

There's no sense in my going through it again a 6th time of a 6th Hundredth time.

Look up the RESULT act Cruz spit up in cahoots with that other phony conservative Mike Lee.

And Moderators have deleted my posts for my troubles while allowing other members here to openly call members who they disagree with "azzholes, idiots, and unicorn-chasers". I have never descended to that type of personal insult no matter How vehemently I disagree with another member's POV.

Thank you for answering; you had me baffled.  OK, so I put in "Result act Cruz" and found the act you were talking about.  I don't see anything sinister in it though.

Quote
Sen. Ted Cruz Wants To Change The Way The FDA Approves Drugs

John LaMattina , Contributor

It is not surprising, given that we are in an election year, that the biopharmaceutical industry has come under increased scrutiny. Given the industry’s poor reputation, as well as aberrant price increases on the part of Valeant and Turing Pharmaceuticals (Martin Shkreli’s former company), the industry is an easy mark for Secretary Clinton, Senator Sanders and others in Congress. Attacks on “Big Pharma” always draw cheers from audiences as we have seen thus far at campaign rallies in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Senator Ted Cruz has taken another approach in making his mark on healthcare. He wants to change how the FDA approves drugs. In December, the senator from Texas, along with co-sponsor Senator Mike Lee from Utah, introduced the “Reciprocity Ensures Streamlined Use Of Lifesaving Treatments (RESULT) Act." The RESULT Act would allow for reciprocal approval of drugs, devices and biologics from foreign sponsors in European countries, as well as from Japan, Canada, Australia and Israel. In addition, the bill would allow Congress to overrule FDA rejections of life-saving drugs with a majority vote via joint resolution. Cruz explained the purpose and need for such a law as follows:

    We need to tear down the barriers blocking a new era of medical innovation, and the primary inhibitor is the government itself. It’s past time to unleash a supply-side medical revolution, so that instead of simply caring for people with debilitating diseases, we cure them. For this reason, I have introduced this legislation to reform the FDA and champion innovation. Our legislation will unleash life-saving drugs and devices in the United States, help mitigate critical drug shortages in the U.S., and put downward pressure on the prices of medical devices and drugs as well.
...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2016/02/03/sen-ted-cruz-wants-to-change-the-way-that-the-fda-approves-drugs/#1bb7f8cf59d4 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2016/02/03/sen-ted-cruz-wants-to-change-the-way-that-the-fda-approves-drugs/#1bb7f8cf59d4)

There was lots more, but this one was pretty clear.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on March 14, 2018, 10:11:13 AM
Thank you for answering; you had me baffled.  OK, so I put in "Result act Cruz" and found the act you were talking about.  I don't see anything sinister in it though.

There was lots more, but this one was pretty clear.

Of course you don't see anything 'sinister' in it.

Neither did the jurors on the Salem Witch Trials.

They too trusted in their 'Beliefs'.

CMS disburses over $1 Trillion a year but since the term 'medical' precludes any fact based inspection of the Ethics/Track Records of those scooping that money up, well then, they must be incorruptible, up and down the line.

And I'm leaving it there rather than violate an old saw that posits One should not post online when when is emotionally exercised.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 14, 2018, 03:06:47 PM
   I suspect she's fine @LauraTXNM, pursuing other hobbies/interests, she lurks from time to time, she's probably just recharging her 'suffer no fools' batteries as we all do from time to time.

Sorry for your loss, @corbe but @CatherineofAragon did not leave because people 'picked on her.'

She did most of the picking herself on other people.

She enjoyed being Queen but couldn't stand that some people didn't agree with her.  I'm glad she's gone but she will surely be back of Roy Moore runs for judge somewhere.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 14, 2018, 03:11:56 PM

@Emjay

When I was working, I used to have an executive or two working for me who wanted to get credit for "the effort".  As I told them, our Board of Directors and shareholders aren't compensating us for "effort", they are compensating us for "results".  Most of these executives who wanted credit just for effort didn't last that long under me.

This is even more true with the President of the United States IMO.  The American People don't vote them in for "effort", we (at least most of us, I think), voted them in for "results".  "Real leadership" is just not about "effort" IMO, it's about "results" period. At least IMO.

@Concerned   That dog don't hunt anymore.

Your lack of respect for people trying is ridiculous.  Sometimes I suspect you are trying to work into the conversation your career as a Really Big Shot who did not accept failure from your employees and mocked them for 'trying.'

I wouldn't be surprised is some of them put a little spit in your coffee in the break room.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 14, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
   @edpc pegged it with his initial post @Emjay all this lavish praise just for announcing he's willing to sit down and talk with Little Rocket Man means nothing, Like Trump telling his now fired SoS two weeks ago "Your wasting your time negotiating" even GWB didn't bother with negotiations.  I'm not saying that the 'Strategery Patience' was a policy worthy of results but I'll wait till it's more than WH press releases about a meeting before 'I' give him credit, but you knew that already.

   EDIT:  It was @Concerned not @edpc

@corbe   You always side with the losers here.  Why is that?
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Concerned on March 14, 2018, 03:23:55 PM
@Concerned   That dog don't hunt anymore.

Your lack of respect for people trying is ridiculous.  Sometimes I suspect you are trying to work into the conversation your career as a Really Big Shot who did not accept failure from your employees and mocked them for 'trying.'

I wouldn't be surprised is some of them put a little spit in your coffee in the break room.

@Emjay

We obviously agree to disagree (which is fine by me).  I don't think Presidents are rewarded for trying (ask Jimmy Carter how his second term went).   The same is true in leadership:  Boards of Directors and shareholders don't reward CEOs just for trying.  They reward them for results.  I really thought this was rather common knowledge but perhaps I'm mistaken.   

As I said previously, other Presidents tried to solve the North Korea problem.  They failed.  Trying just isn't good enough especially at the Presidential level.......at least IMO.  I'll gladly celebrate Trump's success when it actually IS success (which I believe he has defined as NK denuked with inspectors able to go anywhere in the country to verify it).  I really hope he achieves it.  Unfortunately we're just not there yet.  Maybe we'll get there.  Maybe not.  I'm hoping for the best.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Suppressed on March 14, 2018, 03:33:07 PM
Thank you for answering; you had me baffled.  OK, so I put in "Result act Cruz" and found the act you were talking about.  I don't see anything sinister in it though.
@Sanguine
There's nothing at all sinister in it.  In fact, it's excellent.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Sanguine on March 14, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
@Sanguine
There's nothing at all sinister in it.  In fact, it's excellent.

Thanks for confirming.  I thought I was missing something.  Whatever I was missing, it's not there.   ^-^
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 14, 2018, 08:53:28 PM
@Emjay

We obviously agree to disagree (which is fine by me).  I don't think Presidents are rewarded for trying (ask Jimmy Carter how his second term went).   The same is true in leadership:  Boards of Directors and shareholders don't reward CEOs just for trying.  They reward them for results.  I really thought this was rather common knowledge but perhaps I'm mistaken.   

As I said previously, other Presidents tried to solve the North Korea problem.  They failed.  Trying just isn't good enough especially at the Presidential level.......at least IMO.  I'll gladly celebrate Trump's success when it actually IS success (which I believe he has defined as NK denuked with inspectors able to go anywhere in the country to verify it).  I really hope he achieves it.  Unfortunately we're just not there yet.  Maybe we'll get there.  Maybe not.  I'm hoping for the best.

This is the most asinine opinion ever.  You are like a dog with a bone on this subject.  You've suddenly turned into Yoda, though less cute about it.

"Do or not do.  There is no try.  Yoda"

In the real world, there is try or not try.  Don't let fear of failure keep you from trying.

The biggest falsehood is trying to get all 'fair' and try to convince us you will celebrate Trump's success.  You never will.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
Hand out a bag of these at the next Board meeting.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1395/3677/products/trophy-patch-3D_1024x1024.jpg?v=1479175756)
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Concerned on March 14, 2018, 09:12:33 PM
This is the most asinine opinion ever.  You are like a dog with a bone on this subject.  You've suddenly turned into Yoda, though less cute about it.

"Do or not do.  There is no try.  Yoda"

In the real world, there is try or not try.  Don't let fear of failure keep you from trying.

The biggest falsehood is trying to get all 'fair' and try to convince us you will celebrate Trump's success.  You never will.

@Emjay

Of course, there's "try" in the real world.  It's just that I've found the higher you get in the organization, the less you get rewarded for it until finally you reach the level of leadership where "trying" just isn't good enough:  only results are expected and rewarded.  Certainly the President of the United States is at that level......at least IMO.  Certainly "real leadership" at senior-levels isn't about trying as asserted in piece from the OP.  JMO.

Relative to celebrating Trump's success.  I'm afraid you're wrong.  I already have recognized and celebrated it on a variety of subjects.  A few examples from the TBR are identified below:

Well, I’m certainly not in this contingent you refer to.  When the President does something I find praise-worthy, I praise him.  Gorsuch appears to be a great pick (but it’s still early).  I love what the President is doing on regulations. The hurricane responses have been right on target with direct leadership from him and his cabinet.  He seems to be serious about fixing the VA.  That’s long overdue.   That’s certainly not “unceasingly critical”.
<snip>
I criticize Trump when I think he deserves criticizing and praise him when I think he deserves praise.  His remarks this morning were spot on IMO:  prayer and support for the victims and their family, support for law enforcement, calls for unity, flags at half-staff, and plans to travel to Las Vegas on Wednesday.   Good job Mr. President.
I think Trump deserves all the credit in the world for freeing up our military to truly go after ISIS.  I think he's proven what many of us suspected: that the Rules of Engagement placed upon our military under Obama was too stringent and too restrictive for them to truly to successful.  Good for him!

On Trump returning North Korea to the list of State Sponsors of Terror:

Good decision by the President. As he said:  "This designation will impose further sanctions and penalties on North Korea ... and supports our maximum pressure campaign to isolate the murderous regime.”
 :thumbsup:
Again on the battle against ISIS noting winning the battle is a “big deal”:
I may be perceived as one of those, and although I’ve praised him previously about the way he has leveraged the military in it’s attack against ISIS, this is indeed a big deal, and I’ll quote myself to give additional credit to the President:
I think Trump deserves all the credit in the world for freeing up our military to truly go after ISIS.  I think he's proven what many of us suspected: that the Rules of Engagement placed upon our military under Obama was too stringent and too restrictive for them to truly to successful.  Good for him!
Clear enough? @skeeter
His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas:
In a blatant attempt at getting this thread back on topic, I'm sure this cheered up most (if not all) of the troops over at Walter Reed.  Good job by the President and good job by VP Pence to visit the troops in Afghanistan.
The run-up of the stock market:
Regulations:  I think Trump deserves a huge amount of credit for cutting regulations, and I believe (but can’t prove) that this and the anticipation of corporate tax cuts have been a huge contributing factor for the run-up of the stock market in his first year.
Campaign strategy in 2016:
<snip>
I believe the President ran a brilliant election campaign and tapped into a level of dissatisfaction not fully realized by most others............
<snip>
On the economy:
It’s quite clear to me that the combination of reduced regulations and the promise of tax cuts (particularly business tax cuts) really jump-started the stock market last year.  I think the Trump Administration clearly deserves the credit for that run-up as well as the increase in consumer and business confidence.  JMO.

On his jokes at the Gridiron Club:
Looks like the President did a great job last night including even some self-deprecating humor!
 :thumbsup:






Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 14, 2018, 09:16:32 PM
@Emjay

Of course, there's "try" in the real world.  It's just that I've found the higher you get in the organization, the less you get rewarded for it until finally you reach the level of leadership where "trying" just isn't good enough:  only results are expected and rewarded.  Certainly the President of the United States is at that level......at least IMO.  Certainly "real leadership" at senior-levels isn't about trying as asserted in piece from the OP.  JMO.

Relative to celebrating Trump's success.  I'm afraid you're wrong.  I already have recognized and celebrated it on a variety of subjects.  A few examples from the TBR are identified below:

On Trump returning North Korea to the list of State Sponsors of Terror:
Again on the battle against ISIS noting winning the battle is a “big deal”:Clear enough? @skeeter

His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas:The run-up of the stock market:Campaign strategy in 2016:On the economy:
On his jokes at the Gridiron Club:

Wow, I hope all those examples of you praising Trump are enough that she'll shut the bleep up about at least one person "hating" Trump.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Emjay on March 14, 2018, 09:35:35 PM
@Emjay



Okay, you love Trump and you never took credit for the accomplishments of your employees because they just tried and you 'finished.'
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Suppressed on March 14, 2018, 09:41:12 PM
Okay, you love Trump and you never took credit for the accomplishments of your employees because they just tried and you 'finished.'

You're quite a piece of work, @Emjay.  You prance around claiming nobody posts facts, and when facts are provided, showing your premise is badly wrong, you don't apologize.  No, you get all pouty and snippy.

@Concerned

Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Silver Pines on March 17, 2018, 08:54:19 PM
Without the Cowboy to abuse, CofA didn't have much reason for living.

@Emjay

As long as there's this gif.....there will be life.


(https://i1.wp.com/www.regularnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/liotafv3bojremaep7wt.gif?fit=300%2C160)


How ya doing??   ^-^
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 17, 2018, 08:55:40 PM
@Emjay

As long as there's this gif.....there will be life.


(https://i1.wp.com/www.regularnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/liotafv3bojremaep7wt.gif?fit=300%2C160)


How ya doing??   ^-^

Well look who brought the cat in after so many were wondering where you were hiding!
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Silver Pines on March 17, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Well look who brought the cat in after so many were wondering where you were hiding!

Hey, @INVAR!  Not hiding, I just got tired of the endless fighting and went to another site I hang out on (non-political).  Also when I left, the memo thing was raging, and I was totally uninterested.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Silver Pines on March 17, 2018, 08:59:22 PM
     I popped off recently and still have bruises from my last encounter with one of the Mods, so I've been laying kinda low lately.  Besides you're a big girl (not literally) that dishes it out, also, as good as it gets.  I must admit that with @CatherineofAragon MIA I've got my eyes on a new Honey @LauraTXNM

@corbe

And who is this?? She's gonna have to share, that's all I'll say about that.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 17, 2018, 09:04:25 PM
Hey, @INVAR!  Not hiding, I just got tired of the endless fighting and went to another site I hang out on (non-political).  Also when I left, the memo thing was raging, and I was totally uninterested.

I can concur. I used to hang out on a non-political forum for Star Wars fans.  Then the last movie came out and what ensued in the following weeks made the fighting going on in here, mild milquetoast by comparison.

It was actually calmer and more rational here on a political forum than over there.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: corbe on March 17, 2018, 09:04:49 PM
    $hit Hon, I missed you.  Welcome back!
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Suppressed on March 17, 2018, 11:18:55 PM
I can concur. I used to hang out on a non-political forum for Star Wars fans.  Then the last movie came out and what ensued in the following weeks made the fighting going on in here, mild milquetoast by comparison.

From what you said on another thread about that debate, @INVAR, I think it's best I don't discuss it with you.  I suspect we're on opposing sides!
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 17, 2018, 11:41:17 PM
From what you said on another thread about that debate, @INVAR, I think it's best I don't discuss it with you.  I suspect we're on opposing sides!

@INVAR
@Suppressed
Okay, but my 6 year old *LOVES* Star Wars.  He walks around the house humming Darth Vader's theme (please don't be a total Star Wars nerd and correct my naming of the song), like it's his own personal theme song.  My question is, can I let him see the newest movie?

And yes, we're considering seeking counseling about the theme song thing.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 17, 2018, 11:42:57 PM
From what you said on another thread about that debate, @INVAR, I think it's best I don't discuss it with you.  I suspect we're on opposing sides!

Depends - did you like it or hate it? 

There is no middle ground apparently.

And... also apparently - it has destroyed the childhoods of those who grew up in the era of Episode I and the prequel trilogy.

Apparently.

Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 17, 2018, 11:46:13 PM
@INVAR
@Suppressed
Okay, but my 6 year old *LOVES* Star Wars.  He walks around the house humming Darth Vader's theme (please don't be a total Star Wars nerd and correct my naming of the song), like it's his own personal theme song.  My question is, can I let him see the newest movie?

And yes, we're considering seeking counseling about the theme song thing.

And to think... I had absolutely NOTHING to do with discipling your little guy into a nerd like me!

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFK1YmIwgls&t=165s#)

What Star Wars movies has he seen so far?  If he saw The Force Awakens - then this one picks up literally seconds after that one ends. 

Has he seen the Star Wars Rebels cartoon on Disney XD?  That is probably a pretty good series to get him to watch.  It is finished as a series - but it was a lot of fun and very Star Wars.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 17, 2018, 11:49:40 PM
And to think... I had absolutely NOTHING to do with discipling your little guy into a nerd like me!

What Star Wars movies has he seen so far?  If he saw The Force Awakens - then this one picks up literally seconds after that one ends. 

Has he seen the Star Wars Rebels cartoon on Disney XD?  That is probably a pretty good series to get him to watch.  It is finished as a series - but it was a lot of fun and very Star Wars.

Daddy is an electrical engineer and I'm a civil engineer.  He has no shortage of nerd genes.

He has seen Force Awakens.  We took him to the theater to see the last one, whatever it was called, and I wished afterwards that we hadn't.

He has not watched any of the cartoons
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 17, 2018, 11:53:58 PM
Daddy is an electrical engineer and I'm a civil engineer.  He has no shortage of nerd genes.

He has seen Force Awakens.  We took him to the theater to see the last one, whatever it was called, and I wished afterwards that we hadn't.

He has not watched any of the cartoons

He will probably like the Rebels cartoon.

And - in case you missed this - there is a new Star Wars movie coming out in May - that covers Han Solo's backstory of how he met Chewie.  Looks like fun.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4v8JCFgLPE#)
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 17, 2018, 11:56:18 PM
He will probably like the Rebels cartoon.

And - in case you missed this - there is a new Star Wars movie coming out in May - that covers Han Solo's backstory of how he met Chewie.  Looks like fun.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4v8JCFgLPE#)

I'll have to see if I can find it on Amazon or Netflix then.

Yeah, I heard about all the movies coming out.  Disney is doing a hell of a job wringing every last penny out of the franchise that they can.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Suppressed on March 18, 2018, 12:01:15 AM
@INVAR
@Suppressed
Okay, but my 6 year old *LOVES* Star Wars.  He walks around the house humming Darth Vader's theme (please don't be a total Star Wars nerd and correct my naming of the song), like it's his own personal theme song.  My question is, can I let him see the newest movie?

And yes, we're considering seeking counseling about the theme song thing.

LOL!  My buddy and his fiancée held a Star Wars/Disney wedding, and I wanted so much to suggest that Imperial March (Vader's Theme) for her entrance (I wasn't a fan of her).   :laugh:

As for the movie, this one tries to be a lot more "edgy" than earlier ones, so there's some language and violence that might be disturbing.  The attempts at humor that it makes are at about a 6-grade level for the more sophisticated stuff, so that might be about right.  But because I don't know what you'd find okay, I'd suggest looking at a parents guide like here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/parentalguide (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/parentalguide)

And they play up the cute BB-8 droid and they put in these cute little creatures in:

(https://media.gq.com/photos/5a3bff68c2cf0649ff7c22bc/3:2/w_800/star-wars-porg.jpg)
(They included them because there were puffins at the filming location that couldn't be disturbed (https://www.gq.com/story/porgs-only-exist-because-star-wars-the-last-jedi-couldnt-get-rid-of-puffins), so they painted over them with these creatures via CGI.)



You need to teach your kid the Code of the Sith:

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion I gain Strength.
Through Strength I gain Power.
Through Power I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.

That, with an intimidating stare, will serve him well.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 18, 2018, 12:04:45 AM
I'll have to see if I can find it on Amazon or Netflix then.

Yeah, I heard about all the movies coming out.  Disney is doing a hell of a job wringing every last penny out of the franchise that they can.

Unfortunately it's not on any of those platforms for subscribers.  I think you can buy the DVDs of seasons 1-3 on Amazon.

Disney is going into overdrive with their own streaming platform to compete with Netflix and Amazon starting in January.  They are yanking all their content off every single platform and making them exclusive to their own streaming subscription service of $25 a month.

I already have Netflix and Amazon - and that is plenty.  Any more subscriptions and I will be paying more than I did for premium cable channels.



Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Suppressed on March 18, 2018, 12:04:51 AM
Apparently.

Like I said, let's not discuss.   :laugh:

But to be polite and answer, I'll just say that I thought it showed an extreme lack of class for the director and his clutch of 20-somethings to intentionally stick a finger in the eye of fans and go against as many previously loved things as possible.  I'm not a fanatic about it; I just found it very disappointing.

(Though the idiotic, sophomoric attempts at humor were the most ridiculous part.)

I doubt I'll bother to see the next one.   And I'll wait for reviews on Solo.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 18, 2018, 12:18:32 AM
Like I said, let's not discuss.   :laugh:

But to be polite and answer, I'll just say that I thought it showed an extreme lack of class for the director and his clutch of 20-somethings to intentionally stick a finger in the eye of fans and go against as many previously loved things as possible.  I'm not a fanatic about it; I just found it very disappointing.

(Though the idiotic, sophomoric attempts at humor were the most ridiculous part.)

I doubt I'll bother to see the next one.   And I'll wait for reviews on Solo.

You are perfectly welcome to have your opinion about TLJ and your reasons for disliking it are just as valid as my reasons for liking it.  I have my major problems with it but I did not leave the theater as disappointed as I did with the Prequels, especially Sith.

Personally, I am very happy TLJ  did not turn out to be a complete rehash of the Empire Strikes Back ala TFA.  That is what I was most afraid of.  For me it had layers a lot deeper than the last one, I enjoyed the twists and surprises but I understand that other fans had expectations that were not met.

However, how the Star Wars community has treated one another in the aftermath of the movie - was something that still has me shocked.

I've never seen such vitriolic hatred in my life displayed over a piece of entertainment like I did watching that whole thing.  Like I said - the fights on this board are not even a shadow of the white hot fights I witnessed there.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 18, 2018, 12:24:59 AM
LOL!  My buddy and his fiancée held a Star Wars/Disney wedding, and I wanted so much to suggest that Imperial March (Vader's Theme) for her entrance (I wasn't a fan of her).   :laugh:

As for the movie, this one tries to be a lot more "edgy" than earlier ones, so there's some language and violence that might be disturbing.  The attempts at humor that it makes are at about a 6-grade level for the more sophisticated stuff, so that might be about right.  But because I don't know what you'd find okay, I'd suggest looking at a parents guide like here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/parentalguide (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/parentalguide)

And they play up the cute BB-8 droid and they put in these cute little creatures in:

(https://media.gq.com/photos/5a3bff68c2cf0649ff7c22bc/3:2/w_800/star-wars-porg.jpg)
(They included them because there were puffins at the filming location that couldn't be disturbed (https://www.gq.com/story/porgs-only-exist-because-star-wars-the-last-jedi-couldnt-get-rid-of-puffins), so they painted over them with these creatures via CGI.)



You need to teach your kid the Code of the Sith:

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion I gain Strength.
Through Strength I gain Power.
Through Power I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.

That, with an intimidating stare, will serve him well.

Thanks for all that info.  I might skip this one with him.  I looked through the IMDB thing and one of the list of profanity is "big ass".  Just what I need, him asking for a big ass drink of water.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: RoosGirl on March 18, 2018, 12:26:51 AM
Unfortunately it's not on any of those platforms for subscribers.  I think you can buy the DVDs of seasons 1-3 on Amazon.

Disney is going into overdrive with their own streaming platform to compete with Netflix and Amazon starting in January.  They are yanking all their content off every single platform and making them exclusive to their own streaming subscription service of $25 a month.

I already have Netflix and Amazon - and that is plenty.  Any more subscriptions and I will be paying more than I did for premium cable channels.

I knew about the Disney thing.  I wonder what that means for any Disney digital content I have bought through Amazon.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: INVAR on March 18, 2018, 12:28:48 AM
Thanks for all that info.  I might skip this one with him.  I looked through the IMDB thing and one of the list of profanity is "big ass".  Just what I need, him asking for a big ass drink of water.

I've seen the move about a dozen times and I do not recall that line anywhere in the movie - unless it was an alien language or something in the rating that has to do with the extras and documentaries of the making of located on the rest of the DVD.
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Suppressed on March 18, 2018, 05:03:13 AM
Just what I need, him asking for a big ass drink of water.

Heh...that's exactly what I was thinking, almost verbatim!
Title: Re: This Is What Leadership Looks Like
Post by: Suppressed on March 18, 2018, 05:11:03 AM
I've seen the move about a dozen times and I do not recall that line anywhere in the movie - unless it was an alien language or something in the rating that has to do with the extras and documentaries of the making of located on the rest of the DVD.

The word that came into my.mind so often with.the movie was "goofy," though "silly" would work.  Yeah, maybe not as juvenile as I-Iii, but they tried.

And "big ass" was one of those moments where they tried to make Poe hip by having him talk about the "big-ass door" on Crait.

PM with spoilers to follow.