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Title: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mystery-ak on May 16, 2017, 07:20:32 PM
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 16, 2017, 07:55:11 PM
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 16, 2017, 08:21:04 PM
When Hell freezes over.

The GOP lacks any sort of vision or leadership. Trump isn't providing it. Paul Ryan certainly isn't, either.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 16, 2017, 08:24:33 PM
It would be a very bad move for "Republicans" to dump Trump.  If they ever think they're going to get his voters back they are sadly mistaken.  I'd rather dump McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc. :0001:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2017, 08:30:23 PM
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

Why would any rational human (including Republican) do this @Hoodat ?   The "conservatism" represented by the majority of voices here is, for a myriad of reasons, simply unelectable.   :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: anubias on May 16, 2017, 08:37:05 PM
They best not if they want to retain the power they covet.  The backlash on election day will be mighty.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 16, 2017, 08:37:37 PM
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

I think it is pretty clear that train left the station and isn't coming back. Trump is just a symptom of how far gone things are. By the time the circus leaves town the GOP is going to be a laughing stock and there's going to be hell to pay as a result. GWB gave us Obama, we'll see what Trump brings us. I expect something far worse.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 16, 2017, 08:39:46 PM
Why would any rational human (including Republican) do this @Hoodat ?   The "conservatism" represented by the majority of voices here is, for a myriad of reasons, simply unelectable.   :shrug:

Then get use to watching the country go down the toilet. Without it there's no recovery.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 16, 2017, 08:47:24 PM
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?
 

Every other fall, for a few months, for some.  Others can go about six years.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 16, 2017, 09:36:06 PM
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

For the most part, they already do...what they don't embrace is Reactionary Fundamentalism. Which is actually a perversion of conservatism, as it invites government into our personal and religious lives.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 16, 2017, 09:36:54 PM
It would be a very bad move for "Republicans" to dump Trump.  If they ever think they're going to get his voters back they are sadly mistaken.  I'd rather dump McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc. :0001:

The time to have dumped McConnell, McCain, Graham and the rest of the RINO's was a long time ago...that ship has sailed.  Who exactly would we replace them with??
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 16, 2017, 09:41:23 PM
The time to have dumped McConnell, McCain, Graham and the rest of the RINO's was a long time ago...that ship has sailed.  Who exactly would we replace them with??

I'd suggest heads of lettuce, but I don't think anyone is ready for a functional congress.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 16, 2017, 09:47:43 PM
For the most part, they already do...what they don't embrace is Reactionary Fundamentalism. Which is actually a perversion of conservatism, as it invites government into our personal and religious lives.

Right... Government run health care is real "conservative"... Nowhere in the constitution is there authorization of the federal government running health insurance. Zip. Where in the constitution is the allowance of the executive branch to pick which laws it is going to enforce? Like looking the other way for the "good" illegal aliens but getting rid of the "bad" ones? The list is long of such things. It is lawless.

And how many conservatives here on this site give a crap what consenting adults do in their homes? Not many. Your "fundamentalism" claims are false. The actual conservatives on this site are for smaller government and liberty.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 16, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left. They are seeking to override a fair and constitutional election because they did not like the outcome. They are using tactics from street brawling, general rioting, disruption of political rallies, radicalization of students on college campuses, and the domination of the 4th estate for purposes of propaganda and disinformation.  They are willing to sacrifice the constitution, democracy, and all of the established rules of our civil society in pursuit of seizing back power. Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes. Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion. We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 16, 2017, 09:52:34 PM
Why would any rational human (including Republican) do this @Hoodat ?   The "conservatism" represented by the majority of voices here is, for a myriad of reasons, simply unelectable. 

Which is why people like you embrace and push Big Government Populism/Socialism/Fascism - because THAT is where it is at, and THAT is where you feed at the taxpayer trough at Mordor on the Potomac.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 16, 2017, 09:53:35 PM
Right... Government run health care is real "conservative"... Nowhere in the constitution is there authorization of the federal government running health insurance. Zip. Where in the constitution is the allowance of the executive branch to pick which laws it is going to enforce? Like looking the other way for the "good" illegal aliens but getting rid of the "bad" ones? The list is long of such things. It is lawless.

And how many conservatives here on this site give a crap what consenting adults do in their homes? Not many. Your "fundamentalism" claims are false. The actual conservatives on this site are for smaller government and liberty.

I don't know anyone who is advocating for government run healthcare. You must be looking for the Bernie Sanders supporters, who I assume hang out somewhere else. And I agree, conservatives on this site are generally for smaller government and liberty...I thought that was a given.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 16, 2017, 09:56:30 PM
IMO Trump will dump himself. He's a 70 year old guy in total chaos and strife. That can't be healthy. He could be enjoying his wealth right about now.

I mean I just don't think this is very sustainable.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 16, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
The time to have dumped McConnell, McCain, Graham and the rest of the RINO's was a long time ago...that ship has sailed.  Who exactly would we replace them with??
Hey, if people can fantasize about dumping Trump, than I can have fantasize about dumping McConnell, McCain and Graham.

We could replace all three of them with my cat, Meow Meow Kitty.  He would do a better job and keep everybody in line.  If they don't, he'll just bite them. :silly:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 16, 2017, 10:01:57 PM
IMO Trump will dump himself. He's a 70 year old guy in total chaos and strife. That can't be healthy. He could be enjoying his wealth right about now.

I mean I just don't think this is very sustainable.

I think he'll tire of it too.  His affinity toward "yes folk" just doesn't play well in the political universe.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 16, 2017, 10:04:04 PM

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

I don't think "we" (as in those of us who are, shall we say, past our college years) are going to make any real progress.  If the left is going to be beaten, it will be by the Millennials' kids or grandkids who (finally) realize that we left them with a massive, perhaps unmanagable, burden of debt and that there's just no "free" stuff left, and even if there were the price is too high.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 16, 2017, 10:05:44 PM
I don't know anyone who is advocating for government run healthcare.

I've never met POTUS either.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 16, 2017, 10:10:55 PM
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left. They are seeking to override a fair and constitutional election because they did not like the outcome. They are using tactics from street brawling, general rioting, disruption of political rallies, radicalization of students on college campuses, and the domination of the 4th estate for purposes of propaganda and disinformation.  They are willing to sacrifice the constitution, democracy, and all of the established rules of our civil society in pursuit of seizing back power. Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes. Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion. We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

The left is at a historic low point, and yet we still cannot seem to get anything done. This is pretty remarkable and yet, government seems paralyzed. Some people blame Trump, some blame the GOP.  It's pretty pathetic, frankly.

Too many stupid people gumming up the works IMO.

That being said, as it is right now, I don't see people running back to the dems, not in a midterm. after 4 years of safe spaces, trans-everything, black lives matters, I don't see middle america running back into the arms of the dems, even if they don't like Trump. In 2020 however...

Also, situation could change dramatically in a year or so.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 16, 2017, 10:17:21 PM
It would be a very bad move for "Republicans" to dump Trump.  If they ever think they're going to get his voters back they are sadly mistaken.  I'd rather dump McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc. :0001:

Amen to that.  It's also a bad move for them not to support him, at least publicly.  You named four people we should dump.... there are more..  How do they keep getting elected???
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 16, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
I think it is pretty clear that train left the station and isn't coming back. Trump is just a symptom of how far gone things are. By the time the circus leaves town the GOP is going to be a laughing stock and there's going to be hell to pay as a result. GWB gave us Obama, we'll see what Trump brings us. I expect something far worse.

Aren't you just the little ray of sunshine today.

I don't believe that GWB gave us Obama.  I'm expecting the country to move more firmly to the right in the next few years.  We've already started in that direction with the House, Senate, Governorships and President.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 16, 2017, 10:22:36 PM
They best not if they want to retain the power they covet.  The backlash on election day will be mighty.


If he continues disrespecting Israel Christians will drop him like a hot rock.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 16, 2017, 10:27:51 PM
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left.

"We" nothing.

The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications.  The Left is certainly 'at war' with everyone they perceive to be in opposition to them.  The 'Right'?  Not so much.

Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

We've been warning of that path we have been treading for years to wholesale dismissal from everyone who insisted that could never happen here and/or our salvation rests on political saviors.  We will live that which we have chosen to be ignorant of.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes.

You are witness to the fact illustrated on this very board that sharing a commonality is rarely if ever possible.  We cannot even agree on what the core moral foundations are supposed to be, much less the definition of liberty as intended.  Hell, we cannot even define marriage, or what constitutes a standard family anymore. 

It will take a biblically religious revival, of which the majority of churches in this nation are not even interested in, and a majority population who view the bible with hostility, want nothing to do with. 

Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion.

So too does Nationalist Populism that has no problem with big government.  Socialism simply by another name.

We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

We are ALREADY sharply Left.  Even among the GOP and the 'Moderates' - the Constitution is referenced only when it serves their larger political agenda and have no more use for it's strict adherence anymore than the Democrats do.   Populists for Trump have previously stated their opinion is that he needs to act as a dictator.   As to fighting back - well, France in the early-to-mid 1790's is most likely what will result, especially when the economic consequences already sown come crashing down on us.

I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

THAT insight I will agree with you on.  We are already too divided among core issues and values to pose any kind of unified opposition and the majority of the population will side with the Left rather than those who want smaller government.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 16, 2017, 10:34:12 PM
Aren't you just the little ray of sunshine today.

I don't believe that GWB gave us Obama.  I'm expecting the country to move more firmly to the right in the next few years.  We've already started in that direction with the House, Senate, Governorships and President.

Where have you been? 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 16, 2017, 10:36:21 PM
Where have you been?

What do you mean?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 16, 2017, 10:38:06 PM
Where have you been?

If you mean that literally, I have been watching the birds at our feeding stations, walking Smitty, doing my laundry at the outside washer and dryer, watching a little TV (Better Call Saul is good) and hanging out here a little.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2017, 10:44:01 PM
Which is why people like you embrace and push Big Government Populism/Socialism/Fascism -

 *****rollingeyes*****   

I embrace your right to opine @INVAR but you know nothing and post from your knee jerk.  Carry on friend; go forth and spew.   ^-^
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 16, 2017, 11:01:43 PM

I embrace your right to opine @INVAR but you know nothing and post from your knee jerk. 

You are the one who stated that Conservatism represented by the majority on this board is 'unelectable'.

Which explains your unwavering Apologetics for a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat who now leads your party and the country,  and your propaganda for a party beholden to Big Government as long as they get to manage it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Victoria33 on May 16, 2017, 11:07:07 PM
@INVAR

Thank you, INVAR, for this well thought out post and taking the time to write it.  I copied your words to post them again and here they are:

"The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications.  The Left is certainly 'at war' with everyone they perceive to be in opposition to them.  The 'Right'?  Not so much.

We've been warning of that path we have been treading for years to wholesale dismissal from everyone who insisted that could never happen here and/or our salvation rests on political saviors.  We will live that which we have chosen to be ignorant of.

You are witness to the fact illustrated on this very board that sharing a commonality is rarely if ever possible.  We cannot even agree on what the core moral foundations are supposed to be, much less the definition of liberty as intended.  Hell, we cannot even define marriage, or what constitutes a standard family anymore. 

It will take a biblically religious revival, of which the majority of churches in this nation are not even interested in, and a majority population who view the bible with hostility, want nothing to do with.

So too does Nationalist Populism that has no problem with big government.  Socialism simply by another name.

We are ALREADY sharply Left.  Even among the GOP and the 'Moderates' - the Constitution is referenced only when it serves their larger political agenda and have no more use for it's strict adherence anymore than the Democrats do.   Populists for Trump have previously stated their opinion is that he needs to act as a dictator.   As to fighting back - well, France in the early-to-mid 1790's is most likely what will result, especially when the economic consequences already sown come crashing down on us.

We are already too divided among core issues and values to pose any kind of unified opposition and the majority of the population will side with the Left rather than those who want smaller government."
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2017, 11:14:26 PM
Which explains your unwavering Apologetics for a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat who now leads your party and the country,  and your propaganda for a party beholden to Big Government as long as they get to manage it.

(https://img.memesuper.com/062547ab1156776e01106fb213748a00_meme-going-away-memesuper-go-away-meme_526-456.jpeg)


 :seeya:  @INVAR



Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 16, 2017, 11:18:46 PM
The post by Invar is the very definition of why we are losing this war with the Left. He'd rather disparage Republicans and Conservatives that he finds "impure", than actually come together and fight the Left. He wants to kill the apostate whilst the barbarian horde bursts through the city gates to kill everyone. Many of us here may not meet your purity test, Invar, but by any classical definition we are every bit the conservative you deem yourself...in many senses, moreso.

And while our disagreements with you are as principle based and adamant as your own, we have the maturity and reason to see that it is the assault from without the Republican/Conservative ranks that is capable of destroying everything we all hold dear....constitutionalism, religious freedom, free speech, and even the electoral nature of our Republic. You want to engage in petty internal squabbles rather than fight the Mongol Horde....and that is idiocy in action. That is not to say I consider you intellectual lacking...on the contrary...but you've let doctrinal fanaticism lead you into behavior that assures the Left will win this battle for the future.

I sincerely and honestly beseech you to aim your fire outside the walls, rather than at the soldiers next to you who you deem imperfect.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:18:59 PM
For the most part, they already do...what they don't embrace is Reactionary Fundamentalism. Which is actually a perversion of conservatism, as it invites government into our personal and religious lives.

No they don't. Not in the least
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Victoria33 on May 16, 2017, 11:19:37 PM
@INVAR

I follow your posts and urge you to write more as they are well received by thinking people on this forum.  888high58888
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:21:25 PM
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left. They are seeking to override a fair and constitutional election because they did not like the outcome. They are using tactics from street brawling, general rioting, disruption of political rallies, radicalization of students on college campuses, and the domination of the 4th estate for purposes of propaganda and disinformation.  They are willing to sacrifice the constitution, democracy, and all of the established rules of our civil society in pursuit of seizing back power. Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes. Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion. We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

No, you are the left.
and it is already gone.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 16, 2017, 11:22:16 PM
Trump is, sad to say, an amateur who is being ground into dust by the professionals.   The business of politics and the media's coverage of it requires adherence to an accepted protocol of behavior, and Trump's defying it and the pros are lowering the boom on him.   

Trump has to appeal to the people.   He is being confronted by a slow-motion coup,  and he has to simultaneously be Presidential and attack the motivations of his adversaries.   He needs to fight this civil war, for that is what this is, or step aside.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:25:49 PM
It would be a very bad move for "Republicans" to dump Trump.  If they ever think they're going to get his voters back they are sadly mistaken.  I'd rather dump McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc. :0001:

I can count on one hand the republicans I trust.
Whether they dump Trump or not is incidental to me...
But not because of Trump.
I trust him less than the rest of them.

Throw all the bastards out. That would be a good start.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mom MD on May 16, 2017, 11:26:42 PM
I can count on one hand the republicans I trust.
Whether they dump Trump or not is incidental to me...
But not because of Trump.
I trust him less than the rest of them.

Throw all the bastards out. That would be a good start.

 :amen:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 16, 2017, 11:29:30 PM
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

They won't, as demonstrated by @Mesaclone in not one, but two posts where he makes the distinction between the two.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 16, 2017, 11:30:25 PM
When Will Republicans Dump Trump?

Better question is when will the Republicans take a dump. They are all a bunch of tight asses.

(http://www.knack.be/medias/10164/5204403.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:31:20 PM
The left is at a historic low point, and yet we still cannot seem to get anything done. This is pretty remarkable and yet, government seems paralyzed. Some people blame Trump, some blame the GOP.  It's pretty pathetic, frankly.


Not remarkable in the least. This  is what you get without adherence to the things that make us ONE. How do you expect people to unite behind this? Behind WHAT?

You know those things.
Principles.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 16, 2017, 11:32:43 PM
The post by Invar is the very definition of why we are losing this war with the Left. He'd rather disparage Republicans and Conservatives that he finds "impure", than actually come together and fight the Left. He wants to kill the apostate whilst the barbarian horde bursts through the city gates to kill everyone. Many of us here may not meet your purity test, Invar, but by any classical definition we are every bit the conservative you deem yourself...in many senses, moreso.

And while our disagreements with you are as principle based and adamant as your own, we have the maturity and reason to see that it is the assault from without the Republican/Conservative ranks that is capable of destroying everything we all hold dear....constitutionalism, religious freedom, free speech, and even the electoral nature of our Republic. You want to engage in petty internal squabbles rather than fight the Mongol Horde....and that is idiocy in action. That is not to say I consider you intellectual lacking...on the contrary...but you've let doctrinal fanaticism lead you into behavior that assures the Left will win this battle for the future.

I sincerely and honestly beseech you to aim your fire outside the walls, rather than at the soldiers next to you who you deem imperfect.

Amen and amen, brother.

We have always had squishes in Congress but the hatred of some for the moderates has become a little creepy.

I've been verbally abused for referring back to Hillary but I would rather have our squishes than Chuck U Schumer, that Watters person or almost any democrat you could name.

Congress came together on our Supreme Court nominee.  They can be annoying but they are not the enemy.

The enemy is over there .... way over there to the left.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:35:23 PM
Aren't you just the little ray of sunshine today.

@DB is stone dead right.

Quote
I don't believe that GWB gave us Obama.  I'm expecting the country to move more firmly to the right in the next few years.  We've already started in that direction with the House, Senate, Governorships and President.

You're dreaming. Most don't even know where 'right' is.
It's alright. Ultimately they will learn
Pain is a great teacher.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 16, 2017, 11:36:10 PM
:quote author=Victoria33 link=topic=263143.msg1323588#msg1323588 date=1494991177]
@INVAR

I follow your posts and urge you to write more as they are well received by thinking people on this forum.  888high58888
[/quote]

 :thumbsup3:

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:36:28 PM

If he continues disrespecting Israel Christians will drop him like a hot rock.

Most I know never picked him up in the first place
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 16, 2017, 11:36:39 PM
No, you are the left.
and it is already gone.

Folks like INVAR and roamer are worthless politically.   They may as well be in league with those seeking to upend the election. 

They reside in Cloudcuckooland;  the rest of need to gird for what's coming.       

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 16, 2017, 11:39:14 PM
@DB is stone dead right.

You're dreaming. Most don't even know where 'right' is.
It's alright. Ultimately they will learn
Pain is a great teacher.

No DB isn't right.

Yes, he is.

No, he isn't

Is too

Is not.

Very productive, right.

Why do you haters always take everything personally?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mom MD on May 16, 2017, 11:39:27 PM
Folks like INVAR and roamer are worthless politically.   They may as well be in league with those seeking to upend the election. 

They reside in Cloudcuckooland;  the rest of need to gird for what's coming.     

says the resident liberal  I would rather have folks like @roamer_1  and @INVAR in the trenches with me. I know where they stand.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: rodamala on May 16, 2017, 11:42:04 PM
When will Conservatives dump the Republican Party is my question.

#NeverRepublican
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:42:59 PM
"We" nothing.

The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications. 

That's right.
I will say it yet again sommore:

Liberalism cannot win by merit. It has no merit.
It is winning because it has no opposition.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: rodamala on May 16, 2017, 11:44:27 PM
@INVAR

Thank you, INVAR, for this well thought out post and taking the time to write it.  I copied your words to post them again and here they are:

"The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications.  The Left is certainly 'at war' with everyone they perceive to be in opposition to them.  The 'Right'?  Not so much.

We've been warning of that path we have been treading for years to wholesale dismissal from everyone who insisted that could never happen here and/or our salvation rests on political saviors.  We will live that which we have chosen to be ignorant of.

You are witness to the fact illustrated on this very board that sharing a commonality is rarely if ever possible.  We cannot even agree on what the core moral foundations are supposed to be, much less the definition of liberty as intended.  Hell, we cannot even define marriage, or what constitutes a standard family anymore. 

It will take a biblically religious revival, of which the majority of churches in this nation are not even interested in, and a majority population who view the bible with hostility, want nothing to do with.

So too does Nationalist Populism that has no problem with big government.  Socialism simply by another name.

We are ALREADY sharply Left.  Even among the GOP and the 'Moderates' - the Constitution is referenced only when it serves their larger political agenda and have no more use for it's strict adherence anymore than the Democrats do.   Populists for Trump have previously stated their opinion is that he needs to act as a dictator.   As to fighting back - well, France in the early-to-mid 1790's is most likely what will result, especially when the economic consequences already sown come crashing down on us.

We are already too divided among core issues and values to pose any kind of unified opposition and the majority of the population will side with the Left rather than those who want smaller government."

Truth.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 16, 2017, 11:45:03 PM
Why do you haters always take everything personally?

Emjay, you are the one that made it personal with the very first reply to me. Remember this: "Aren't you just the little ray of sunshine today."

You repeatedly insult others calling them names, often "haters" and then claim the high ground when they respond in kind...

Go look in a mirror - please.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 16, 2017, 11:46:35 PM
That's right.
I will say it yet again sommore:

Liberalism cannot win by merit. It has no merit.
It is winning because it has no opposition.

Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 16, 2017, 11:48:50 PM
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.

A Republican Congress and President certainly have nothing to do with Conservatism in the year 2017.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2017, 11:49:54 PM
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.

Please don't go for long .... @Emjay... you're a voice of reason and hope.

You are needed.   :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2017, 11:54:31 PM
A Republican Congress and President certainly have nothing to do with Conservatism in the year 2017.

You need to understand that the vast majority of voters say the current version of Conservatism has nothing to do with the year 2017.

Your heart's in the right place @RoosGirl .... but your vision is still looking in the rear view mirror toward 1980.

I do pray you turn around and see where you actually are.   American could use your help. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:56:09 PM
The post by Invar is the very definition of why we are losing this war with the Left. He'd rather disparage Republicans and Conservatives that he finds "impure",

@INVAR  is right. It is the 'impure' that must move.

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than actually come together and fight the Left.

Behind what banner? What principle things do we stand upon together, you and I?
In what do we find agreement?
There will be no 'coming together'. because what had once brought us together is all but gone.

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He wants to kill the apostate whilst the barbarian horde bursts through the city gates to kill everyone. Many of us here may not meet your purity test, Invar, but by any classical definition we are every bit the conservative you deem yourself...in many senses, moreso.

Better the barbarian horde outside the gate than the traitor within.
better the army that stands before us, banners flying, than the ones who whisper and plot to let them in. and stab us in our beds at night.

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And while our disagreements with you are as principle based and adamant as your own

That has been entirely beyond my witness. I cannot recall you standing for a single principled thing at all. You have expounded on pragmatism, and compromise... and liberalism of a kinder lesser sort.
That is not principle. It is lukewarm pap.

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but you've let doctrinal fanaticism lead you into behavior that assures the Left will win this battle for the future.

Quite the other way around.
It is doctrinal fanaticism that wins.
Whether it is ours, or the liberals, or the Muslims is for you and yours to decide.

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I sincerely and honestly beseech you to aim your fire outside the walls, rather than at the soldiers next to you who you deem imperfect.

a liberal is a liberal, inside the wall or out.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 16, 2017, 11:58:25 PM
@INVAR

I follow your posts and urge you to write more as they are well received by thinking people on this forum.  888high58888

DITTOS
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
The post by Invar is the very definition of why we are losing this war with the Left.

That is hilarious considering I agreed with much of what you opined you were worried about.  I just stated the fact of where we have already arrived in terms of a culture versus where you hoped we have not actually come to yet.

He'd rather disparage Republicans and Conservatives that he finds "impure", than actually come together and fight the Left.

Aaaaaand here is the *trick* you folks employ - 'coming together to fight the Left' means we must surrender principles and faith in order to unite on secular or non-principled issues that are divorced from the abject core of what it means to be a Conservative in terms of mindset and lifestyle.  Given cultural and social issues that you share in common with the Leftists you are advocating we *fight* (i.e.: homosexual marriage/biblical heritage etc.), you expect us to abandon our principles to stand together with you over issues whose root causes you people ignore wholesale or have dismissed.  In short, we have little in common to stand together with you on in terms of principles, which you yourself have done a fine job, lo these many months of disparaging.

He wants to kill the apostate whilst the barbarian horde bursts through the city gates to kill everyone.

First of all perhaps you would be so kind as to share with the board where I have advocated the killing of anyone.  Secondly -  the hordes of those whom you assert are going to burst through city gates and kill everyone, you have been warned about for decades - but have been ignored.  The blood will be on your own heads - the warnings have gone out long ago and were dismissed.

Many of us here may not meet your purity test, Invar, but by any classical definition we are every bit the conservative you deem yourself...in many senses, moreso...
I sincerely and honestly beseech you to aim your fire outside the walls, rather than at the soldiers next to you who you deem imperfect.

I do not stand with the likes of you. I'm not in your army.  I'm here to witness the truth - and that's it.  You have already demonstrated that standing with you is not an option because calling me out as an enemy in your ranks and ascribing me as a murderer among other things has been a very practiced art by folks like yourself.

People like you have gone to war and stabbed Christian Conservatives in the back while we slept in your camp after returning year after year and decade after decade of continuous abuse from the party and people pretending to be our leaders.  Whether your own lone wolf crusade against biblical Adherents warning about social issues you stand with the Left with, or the death threats from neo-populists over political saviors who want nothing to do with core principles and everything to do with payback - there is no trust that we stand on any commonality and have been handed every reason to see the so-called "Right' as dangerous a threat to our individual liberties as the Left.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 17, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.

Funny. With all that they can't repeal Obamacare which got zero Republican votes when it first passed. They can't get a wall funded to slow the invasion from the south. The can't stop funding Planned Parenthood. They can't reduce the tax burden on us. The list is long...

It is as if Republicans didn't control all those things you listed... This is what failure to lead looks like.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 12:05:26 AM
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You seem to think 'Republican' is the opposite of liberalism.
It is not.

Conservatism is. You know... the stuff us guys in 'Cuckooland' 'spew'.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 12:08:32 AM
You need to understand that the vast majority of voters say the current version of Conservatism has nothing to do with the year 2017.

Might does not make right.

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American could use your help.

Yes it most certainly could. Which requires specifically that @RoosGirl  does not 'turn around'
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 17, 2017, 12:12:02 AM
You need to understand that the vast majority of voters say the current version of Conservatism has nothing to do with the year 2017.

Your heart's in the right place @RoosGirl .... but your vision is still looking in the rear view mirror toward 1980.

I do pray you turn around and see where you actually are.   American could use your help.

I know the difference between right and wrong.  You go on ahead without me.

PS.  I was 5 when Reagan was elected.  1980 has no nostalgia for me as I was mostly too young to remember it.  But, I've never been the type to go along with the crowd because I figured out early on that for the most part the crowd was bunch of damned fools.  Like I said, you can go on without me.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 12:13:34 AM
I don't need to scrape Trump off my shoe. I avoided stepping in that steaming pile in the first place.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 12:15:26 AM
I don't need to scrape Trump off my shoe. I avoided stepping in that steaming pile in the first place.

You have a brilliant turn of phrase today, CC...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Sighlass on May 17, 2017, 12:17:25 AM
When Will Republicans Dump Trump?

I washed my hands of Trump long ago, sad thing is the actual election may prove to be the easiest part of Trump's reign. This idiot's aim seems so off that he shoots himself in the foot more than at his so called enemy. Now nobody can tell who his enemy really is, because the budget he signed gave the democrats everything they basically wanted and fulfilled little to nothing of his campaign pledges. I don't think The Big Don had a moral compass to direct him beyond getting elected. His days in office seem like a fish just pulled out of the water left on the bank to flop around. It is actually embarrassing to watch.

Now things are crumbling the usually people pop up to scream for the rest of us to support this 5th grade stammering buffoon. This is your idiot, you deal with him.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 12:19:01 AM
says the resident liberal  I would rather have folks like @roamer_1  and @INVAR in the trenches with me. I know where they stand.

Right back atcha @Mom MD !

 :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 17, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Might does not make right.

Yes it most certainly could. Which requires specifically that @RoosGirl  does not 'turn around'

No worries.  I 100% know what my job is right now; teaching my 5 year old how to live in a world full of people who will compromise on anything.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 12:20:56 AM
I washed my hands of Trump long ago, sad thing is the actual election may prove to be the easiest part of Trump's reign. This idiot's aim seems so off that he shoots himself in the foot more than at his so called enemy. Now nobody can tell who his enemy really is, because the budget he signed gave the democrats everything they basically wanted and fulfilled little to nothing of his campaign pledges. I don't think The Big Don had a moral compass to direct him beyond getting elected. His days in office seem like a fish just pulled out of the water left on the bank to flop around. It is actually embarrassing to watch.

Now things are crumbling the usually people pop up to scream for the rest of us to support this 5th grade stammering buffoon. This is your idiot, you deal with him.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 12:23:00 AM
No worries.  I 100% know what my job is right now; teaching my 5 year old how to live in a world full of people who will compromise on anything.

Thank you for that. There isn't a more important thing to do on this planet.
And I'd never doubt you for a second.
You'll do it right...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 17, 2017, 12:27:26 AM
Good to see everyone getting along for a change. It has been tiresome lately that every thread breaks out in a nasty fight.

This thread is just tangible proof that we all can just along sometimes without the bitterness and anger. I hope this keeps up.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 12:29:04 AM
When will Conservatives dump the Republican Party is my question.

#NeverRepublican

This one already has all the way back in 2007. Duncan Hunter was the last straw. When he stepped out of the race, I stepped out of the party. Done.

Republicans resemble Democrats more than Conservatives. It's getting to where, except for a very few of them, you can't tell them apart from the liberals.

It is sickening.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 12:29:58 AM
I know the difference between right and wrong.  You go on ahead without me. 

So do I @RoosGirl ... so please don't continue to think you own that.  And, if I need to go ahead and help America without you, I will continue to do so.  Count on it.

Be well. :seeya:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 12:33:17 AM
@INVAR

I follow your posts and urge you to write more as they are well received by thinking people on this forum.  888high58888

Thank you dear.  That means a lot when it seems there are so few of us against the maelstrom.  I have no plans to stop typing up my thoughts, until or unless that door closes by another hand not of my own.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 17, 2017, 12:34:52 AM
So do I @RoosGirl ... so please don't continue to think you own that.  And, if I need to go ahead and help America without you, I will continue to do so.  Count on it.

Be well. :seeya:

There's plenty of people in jail that know the difference between right and wrong.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 12:37:22 AM
Folks like INVAR and roamer are worthless politically.

Given where this culture now sits, that is probably the one and only statement I will ever agree with you on.

Because politically - our views and mindsets are irrelevant.  So rejoice - you win.

They may as well be in league with those seeking to upend the election.

And people wonder why I am always referencing 1790's France for what our near-term future will look like.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 12:47:25 AM
And people wonder why I am always referencing 1790's France for what our near-term future will look like.

It is a caution.

In the same breath of time, two things were lifted up before the eyes of Man.

One, the French declaration of the Rights of Men.
The other, the United States Declaration of Independence.

I wonder which most Americans would be more comfortable with today?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 01:13:09 AM
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left. They are seeking to override a fair and constitutional election because they did not like the outcome. They are using tactics from street brawling, general rioting, disruption of political rallies, radicalization of students on college campuses, and the domination of the 4th estate for purposes of propaganda and disinformation.  They are willing to sacrifice the constitution, democracy, and all of the established rules of our civil society in pursuit of seizing back power. Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes. Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion. We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.
Fine. Y'all come back, now, y'heah?
Conservatives really would be happy to have the GOP join us.
But instead of embracing conservatism, the GOP is fighting a two front war.
Against the Far Left and against the very Conservatives Fox News has enabled them to label as "extremists" even as Fox (in the middle, and never claimed to be otherwise) was labelled "Right Wing".

The reason we are here is that the Left embraced their "extremists" because that was where they wanted to be anyway. That gave the Left a lot of room to claim the middle ground.
 
The GOP kicked Conservatives under the bus and called them "Extremists" and had nothing to balance the right side of the political spectrum. As a result, every move to the "middle" was a move to the left. Every compromise was a step closer to communism rather than a step back toward Constitutional government. In my lifetime, I have watched the GOP fade into the distance and stood my ground. I didn't leave them so much as they left me.
 
The GOP has become socialism lite, and the power players in the GOP really want the same power the Left does--and not to restore it to the people, with rare exception.
 
If the GOP fails to embrace conservatism, and doesn't quit moving left, the battle cannot be 'won'. Becoming one with the enemy may win elections, but it does not 'win' the conflict. It only puts a different letter behind the enemies of the Republic.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 01:18:47 AM
It is a caution.

In the same breath of time, two things were lifted up before the eyes of Man.

One, the French declaration of the Rights of Men.
The other, the United States Declaration of Independence.

I wonder which most Americans would be more comfortable with today?

That answer is made manifest each and every day, sometimes right here on this board.

DeToqueville spent a lot of time here in the States trying to figure out how liberty managed to flourish in our society while his devolved into a bloodbath and dictatorship.

His answer is enlightening to those who understood his summations, and now soundly discarded by those who prefer what liberties come from Natural Law sans any Creator and Divine Author of that Law.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 01:41:08 AM
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 01:46:23 AM
@INVAR

I follow your posts and urge you to write more as they are well received by thinking people on this forum.  888high58888
I agree!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 17, 2017, 01:51:19 AM
I agree!

He's a smart guy.

And yeah, there are times when we disagree (vigorously, shall we say?  :tongue2: ) but that don't matter. When he talks, I listen and think.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 01:54:50 AM
Really?

Then why is there a Republican majority in the House, the Senate, and in the Governorships of the country?

And, by the way, the presidency.

You whiners are getting on my last nerve.  I'm outta here.
Gee, maybe you are right. The liberals are winning.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 02:05:12 AM
When Will Republicans Dump Trump?


Iowa. That's when I'd seen enough.

My concerns from then have proven justified.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Once-Ler on May 17, 2017, 03:47:54 AM
I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

Fantastic pep rally speech. 
 :patriot: :cheerlead: :dancer: :elephant: :elephant: :dancer: :cheerlead:  :patriot:
President Trump said it was going to be easy, but I didn't know it would be this easy.  #MAGA
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 17, 2017, 05:51:31 AM
I don't need to scrape Trump off my shoe. I avoided stepping in that steaming pile in the first place.

OR other words have to "Take a Trump"
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 05:56:14 AM
Given where this culture now sits, that is probably the one and only statement I will ever agree with you on.

Because politically - our views and mindsets are irrelevant.  So rejoice - you win.

And people wonder why I am always referencing 1790's France for what our near-term future will look like.

@INVAR and @roamer_1 I'd take it as a compliment when a Liberal calls you politically worthless. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 05:57:12 AM
Iowa. That's when I'd seen enough.

My concerns from then have proven justified.

Same here.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 17, 2017, 07:19:19 AM
And, if I need to go ahead and help America without you, I will continue to do so.  Count on it.
If you think posting fawning propaganda and belittling those who don't fall for it is helping America, well, let's just say you're wrong.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 07:26:20 AM
If you think posting fawning propaganda and belittling those who don't fall for it is helping America, well, let's just say you're wrong.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 07:33:50 AM
If you think posting fawning propaganda and belittling those who don't fall for it is helping America, well, let's just say you're wrong.
:amen:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 07:39:53 AM
I am very late to this party but I find this to be nothing more than just another politico hit job.  Trying to influence opinions instead of reporting news.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 17, 2017, 08:11:09 AM
Right... Government run health care is real "conservative"... Nowhere in the constitution is there authorization of the federal government running health insurance. Zip. Where in the constitution is the allowance of the executive branch to pick which laws it is going to enforce? Like looking the other way for the "good" illegal aliens but getting rid of the "bad" ones? The list is long of such things. It is lawless.

And how many conservatives here on this site give a crap what consenting adults do in their homes? Not many. Your "fundamentalism" claims are false. The actual conservatives on this site are for smaller government and liberty.

I'm still trying to figure out why we are debating an article written by Politico as if it's worthy of discussion
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 08:20:47 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why we are debating an article written by Politico as if it's worthy of discussion
We peel the layers back, wherever its from. If we don't address what the opposition is saying, who will?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 17, 2017, 08:53:46 AM
We peel the layers back, wherever its from. If we don't address what the opposition is saying, who will?

Good point
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 08:58:58 AM
We peel the layers back, wherever its from. If we don't address what the opposition is saying, who will?

One of the main reasons I left TOS was the little army of media minders who thought they could dictate to everyone else what they should read. Its the kind of thing that went on in Saddam Hussein's Iraq and goes on today in NK and Cuba.

The "minders" are welcome to take a number and KMA.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 17, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Amen to that.  It's also a bad move for them not to support him, at least publicly.  You named four people we should dump.... there are more..  How do they keep getting elected???



The power of incumbency.    This is why we need term limits.   Once in the system,  it's too difficult to pry them out again.   


The nation would be better served by "churn."   




Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 17, 2017, 09:06:41 AM
"We" nothing.

The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications.  The Left is certainly 'at war' with everyone they perceive to be in opposition to them.  The 'Right'?  Not so much.



The Atl-Right has been using the term "Cuckservatives."     




 We are already too divided among core issues and values to pose any kind of unified opposition and the majority of the population will side with the Left rather than those who want smaller government.



 P.J. O'Rourke covered this pretty well a couple of decades ago.

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialPJORourke/posts/479001612131859
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 09:08:32 AM


The power of incumbency.    This is why we need term limits.   Once in the system,  it's too difficult to pry them out again.   


The nation would be better served by "churn."
Yep. Primary challengers have to defeat the whole machine. The alternative is to vote Democrat and take a chance that's not going to cost the farm, just to clear the way for a fresh GOP face next time. Then the Dem is running as an incumbent.
Seems the 'reports from the Capitol' always pick up come election time: 'soft' campaigning on our dime.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 17, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
Trump is, sad to say, an amateur who is being ground into dust by the professionals.   




He is an expert in this "Politics"  business,  but he is massively outnumbered by the oppositions army of propagandists and their trillion dollar broadcasting infrastructure.   


With so many people arrayed against him,  it is difficult for anyone,  no matter how good they are at politics,   (and Trump is actually D@mn good at this business)   to maintain an upper hand.   



The business of politics and the media's coverage of it requires adherence to an accepted protocol of behavior, and Trump's defying it and the pros are lowering the boom on him.   



They are doing what they do,  but with greater anger and therefore greater vigor.    They *hate*  Trump because he wrested Victory from their jaws,   and now they are using any means of which they can think to paralyze and attack him.   


Trump's tendency to shoot from the hip is not the central problem here.   The primary problem is the fact that virtually every avenue by which the American Public can get "News"  is controlled by Hyper-Partisan Democrats with an agenda to destroy their political opposition.   




Trump has to appeal to the people.   He is being confronted by a slow-motion coup,  and he has to simultaneously be Presidential and attack the motivations of his adversaries.   He needs to fight this civil war, for that is what this is, or step aside.


That part is all correct except for the "step aside"  part.    That is the worst thing he can do.   He needs to make it clear to his opponents that he will fight them till the bitter end,  and he will not resign no matter what they do.   


Any hint otherwise will convince them that they just need to apply more pressure. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 17, 2017, 09:24:24 AM
Yep. Primary challengers have to defeat the whole machine. The alternative is to vote Democrat and take a chance that's not going to cost the farm, just to clear the way for a fresh GOP face next time. Then the Dem is running as an incumbent.
Seems the 'reports from the Capitol' always pick up come election time: 'soft' campaigning on our dime.


The problem is systemic.   Therefore the only solution is to modify the system so as to alleviate the problem. 


Term Limits. 

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 17, 2017, 09:29:00 AM

That part is all correct except for the "step aside"  part.    That is the worst thing he can do.   He needs to make it clear to his opponents that he will fight them till the bitter end,  and he will not resign no matter what they do.   


Any hint otherwise will convince them that they just need to apply more pressure.

I said "or step aside".   If he won't engage in this civil war,  then he should step aside.   The people elected President Trump, and it is they, and they alone, who should decide when his time is up.    This is the most obnoxious spectacle of privileged elites seeking to overturn the results of a democratic election.   Trump must appeal to the people - this is THEIR DEMOCRACY, THEIR REPUBLIC that is being usurped.     
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 09:31:12 AM

The problem is systemic.   Therefore the only solution is to modify the system so as to alleviate the problem. 


Term Limits.
Term limits will cause turnover in the ranks, but I'm not sure that won't just encourage them to loot harder because their days are numbered.
Without infiltrating the parties and displacing the party apparatus from inside, the same sorts of people will be running for the same jobs and getting the support of the Party. It is the 'kingmakers' who are the problem, not the ones they promote who are beholden to them in the end.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 09:54:12 AM

This crap would come to an end...lickity split.

It's a good GD thing Cankles isn't in the Oval Office.   

The 2nd Amendment would be history right now.



I edited it
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 09:59:59 AM

 :wtf!:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 10:01:24 AM
:wtf!:

Communists and Nazis......
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 10:02:34 AM
:wtf!:

Look around!   What's that sound?   WTF...look what's goin' on!    :laugh:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 17, 2017, 10:07:11 AM
It's a civil war, folks. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 10:09:43 AM
It's a civil war, folks.

Nope, it's not.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 17, 2017, 10:12:11 AM

This crap would should come to an end...lickity split.

It's a good GD thing Cankles isn't in the Oval Office.   

The 2nd Amendment would be history right now.

 :beer:     888high58888

Hello ... reality check here.  It is no secret that the DEMS and the RINO's stated on more than one occasion that they were going to try to destroy Trump; this was before he was even given the nomination and that threat continued after Hillary lost.  Almost immediately after Hillary lost the rumors of Russian hacking began, then the accusations of collusion began.  The subject of Flynn has now resurfaced, the story of  Comey's firing has gotten larger, Israel is now angry with Trump, etc., etc.,  story, after story after story.  How long will the DEMS's make their Pinocchio's noses grow? 

Trump has tried to implement a ban on people entering this country from areas of known terrorism, he's tried to implement building a wall, he's tried to work on Bammycare ... ALL met with RINO or liberal obstruction.

Perhaps none of this is true, perhaps some of this is true, or perhaps all of this is true.  I do know that I don't trust the MSM, DEMS or RINO's.

We have a conservative justice. The 2nd amendment is still in tact. We have a President who seems to be trying to take this country in the opposite direction that Bammy had it heading. 

FIXED!!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 17, 2017, 10:16:13 AM
So to celebrate the second amendment being intact, you applaud a call to take the first amendment out back and shoot it.

Smooth.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 10:17:20 AM
So to celebrate the second amendment being intact, you applaud a call to take the first amendment out back and shoot it.

Smooth.

That's about it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 10:18:20 AM
It's past time to emulate the Islamic Jihadists....

So @mystery-ak , you approve of your esteemed member saying stuff like this?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: XenaLee on May 17, 2017, 10:19:59 AM
I am very late to this party but I find this to be nothing more than just another politico hit job.  Trying to influence opinions instead of reporting news.

Well... in the immortal words of Gaffemaster Joe..... better gird your loins for one lonnnng next three and a half years.  Cause they plan to keep this BS up for that entire time.  They really, really are pissed that they lost last November.  It shows.

Remember how sick and tired we got of their "Mission Accomplished" and "Heckuva job, Brownie" memes?   We've only just begun.....

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mystery-ak on May 17, 2017, 10:23:57 AM
So @mystery-ak , you approve of your esteemed member saying stuff like this?

No..I don't approve of that statement...what do you want me to do ban him over it?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 10:26:33 AM
No..I don't approve of that statement...what do you want me to do ban him over it?

We'll see if the comment stays won't we?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 17, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
So to celebrate the second amendment being intact, you applaud a call to take the first amendment out back and shoot it.

Smooth.

Really?  Slick. I would never applaud dismantling the Constitution, nor did I say anything to that affect. You did. Reality is the 2nd Amendment is the amendment upon which all our other rights/amendments hang; without it, we will have none.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 10:30:00 AM
No..I don't approve of that statement...what do you want me to do ban him over it?

Looks to me like a call for horrible violence (beheadings, etc.). Your choice.  :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 17, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
Really?  Slick. I would never applaud dismantling the Constitution, nor did I say anything to that affect. You did. Reality is the 2nd Amendment is the amendment upon which all our other rights/amendments hang; without it, we will have none.

Then I suggest you cut "It's past time to emulate the Islamic Jihadists....against the corporate media boardrooms and editors.
" from the quote you gave a  :beer: 888high58888 to. People will mistake your intentions, otherwise.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mystery-ak on May 17, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
Well I do think DC should remove it on his own.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: LetsTalk on May 17, 2017, 10:56:14 AM
I'll "dump Trump" when he's given me reason to dump him by my standards, not by the comically-unfair standards of #NeverTrump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: XenaLee on May 17, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
Good to see everyone getting along for a change. It has been tiresome lately that every thread breaks out in a nasty fight.

This thread is just tangible proof that we all can just along sometimes without the bitterness and anger. I hope this keeps up.

You just had to say something, didn't you.   Just like Jeff Probst calling out how good someone is doing in a competition.... right before they screw up.... because he called it out.  lolol
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 11:11:15 AM
It's a civil war, folks.

No it's not.

It's prepping the ground for our unique version of Robespierre's Terror.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 11:13:32 AM
So to celebrate the second amendment being intact, you applaud a call to take the first amendment out back and shoot it.

Smooth.

That's how Trumpism works.  C'mon get with the program.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 11:14:28 AM
No it's not.

It's prepping the ground for our unique version of Robespierre's Terror.

I'm afraid that comment is probably wasted among most here and a few likely think its a great idea.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 11:15:29 AM
I'm afraid that comment is probably wasted among most here and a few likely think its a great idea.

I agree.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 17, 2017, 11:16:09 AM
I'll "dump Trump" when he's given me reason to dump him by my standards, not by the comically-unfair standards of #NeverTrump.

Works for me. That's your right.  :beer:

Welcome in, BTW.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mystery-ak on May 17, 2017, 11:20:08 AM
WTF....Let the new member settle in before you start attacking him...show him we have manners here!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 11:21:30 AM
   With FR down our resident Trumpsters are getting added reinforcements and I am glad, they needed some fresh blood.  Welcome to all you newbies.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mystery-ak on May 17, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
Right, but calling for violence against reporters is just fine and dandy with you?

No....why say that you know it's not true....I have privately asked for that to be edited...if it is not I will do it!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 11:26:33 AM
I'll "dump Trump" when he's given me reason to dump him by my standards, not by the comically-unfair standards of #NeverTrump.
:amen:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 11:30:33 AM
No....why say that you know it's not true....I have privately asked for that to be edited...if it is not I will do it!

I agree with your stated position and I would suggest you leave the comment as it was written unless the author himself chooses to edit it.

He was not using profanity against a member.  He was advocating an act we may be horrified with the implications of - but he has every right to opine on it, and we retain every right to point out what kind of mindset that comes from.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
I'll "dump Trump" when he's given me reason to dump him by my standards, not by the comically-unfair standards of #NeverTrump.
What comically unfair standards are those? Better yet, what are yours? Just curious where you're coming from. The IFF isn't working.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 11:43:19 AM
I'm afraid that comment is probably wasted among most here and a few likely think its a great idea.
@INVAR @Cripplecreek Not only not wasted, but what I have been predicting, too. Less like 1776, more like "the Terror". About all folks learn from history is that folks don't generally learn from history...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
@INVAR @Cripplecreek Not only not wasted, but what I have been predicting, too. Less like 1776, more like "the Terror". About all folks learn from history is that folks don't generally learn from history...

Meanwhile, people who DO get History are doomed to be sucked down with the fools.  People really DO seem to think Robespierre is a good idea.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 11:51:12 AM
Meanwhile, people who DO get History are doomed to be sucked down with the fools.  People really DO seem to think Robespierre is a good idea.
Angry people do stupid things.
They were angry and looking for someone to blame.
They're still angry, and looking for someone (else) to blame.
It is what happens when people will not own, dissect, and learn from their own failures.

Robespierre may have even thought it was a good idea, until he was looking into the basket.
Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 11:51:49 AM
I agree with your stated position and I would suggest you leave the comment as it was written unless the author himself chooses to edit it.

He was not using profanity against a member.  He was advocating an act we may be horrified with the implications of - but he has every right to opine on it, and we retain every right to point out what kind of mindset that comes from.

Part of the problem is that it quickly becomes worse. When such comments began to be allowed at TOS it wasn't long before a comment that "Trump's wall needs to be long enough for his blindfolded enemies to stand with their backs to it"  went unchallenged and soon similar comments were being made with glee.

I remember a time when I got a time out from TOS for quoting the line from "Full metal jacket" about shooting women and children in a thread about video games and movies. It bothered me at first but I came to realize that it reflected poorly on the site and its other users so I didn't worry about it and took more care.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 11:55:11 AM
Part of the problem is that it quickly becomes worse. When such comments began to be allowed at TOS it wasn't long before a comment that "Trump's wall needs to be long enough for his blindfolded enemies to stand with their backs to it"  went unchallenged and soon similar comments were being made with glee.

I remember a time when I got a time out from TOS for quoting the line from "Full metal jacket" about shooting women and children in a thread about video games and movies. It bothered me at first but I came to realize that it reflected poorly on the site and its other users so I didn't worry about it and took more care.

This quote was about emulating jihadists though... that's crazy town IMO. Killing women, children, beheading, etc. etc.

I guess people are ok with that kind of talk at this site?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 17, 2017, 11:59:52 AM
Good grief ... I was applauding Cankles not being president and our 2nd amendment being in tact.

For the record ... I in no way agree with violence nor any attack on any of our rights under the Constitution (I captured the whole quote ... and yes, that is my fault).  I do think falsely reporting 'news' especially against someone should be considered slander and they should be liable and held accountable.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 12:02:25 PM
Angry people do stupid things.
They were angry and looking for someone to blame.
They're still angry, and looking for someone (else) to blame.
It is what happens when people will not own, dissect, and learn from their own failures.

Robespierre may have even thought it was a good idea, until he was looking into the basket.
Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose...

He thought it was a GREAT idea until then.  I'm sure he was shocked when they came for him.  People like that are really hot on knocking off everybody else, in his case he thought wasting half the population of France was a necessary tactic.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: LetsTalk on May 17, 2017, 12:03:02 PM
What comically unfair standards are those? Better yet, what are yours? Just curious where you're coming from. The IFF isn't working.

Well, we could start by not intentionally interpreting everything he says in the most negative way possible to make him look as bad as possible.

For example, his comments on the Civil War were completely reasonable. He detailed the long lead-up to the war, including Andrew Jackson's role, and asked a profound philosophical question about why it was America had to resort to such a level of infighting.

How did the media and #NeverTrumps interpret this? As Donald Trump being ignorant on the subject. They took his question on why was there a Civil War, and framed it as Trump not knowing the root causes behind the war, rather than the rhetorical, philosophical question it clearly was.

The media has flipped the principle of charity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity) on its head with Trump. A good start to being fair would be, you know, not doing that.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 12:04:14 PM
He thought it was a GREAT idea until then.  I'm sure he was shocked when they came for him.  People like that are really hot on knocking off everybody else, in his case he thought wasting half the population of France was a necessary tactic.

To me Robespierre type stuff is the end-game for populism. Always has been, always will be. It's just the natural way it progresses.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 12:07:05 PM
To me Robespierre type stuff is the end-game for populism. Always has been, always will be. It's just the natural way it progresses.

That's why we must never forget the lessons that particular Frenchman taught us.  Going around calling for everybody's head always ends up with the caller losing his head.  Unfortunately, the killing doesn't end there, but goes on for a while after until somebody realizes it's a bad idea.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 12:10:25 PM
He thought it was a GREAT idea until then.  I'm sure he was shocked when they came for him.  People like that are really hot on knocking off everybody else, in his case he thought wasting half the population of France was a necessary tactic.

The night of the long knives was Hitler largely targeting his own. Its pretty standard for dictatorial people to target those who help them attain power because they recognize them as threats to holding power.

Castro rounded up, imprisoned and executed hundreds of "The Bearded ones" who helped him win his revolution. Its why Che Guevera fled from Cuba never to return and was eventually hunted down in South America.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 17, 2017, 12:10:28 PM
That's why we must never forget the lessons that particular Frenchman taught us.  Going around calling for everybody's head always ends up with the caller losing his head.  Unfortunately, the killing doesn't end there, but goes on for a while after until somebody realizes it's a bad idea.

"The problem with revolutions is you eventually run out of other peoples heads." - H/T Maggie.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 17, 2017, 12:22:35 PM
Looks to me like a call for horrible violence (beheadings, etc.). Your choice.  :shrug:

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

The keyboard warriors who call for violence---like this, and another post yesterday advocating punching journalists in the mouth---will never do anything but call for it. They'll hope someone else takes action so they can watch from their couches.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 12:23:20 PM
@Weird Tolkienish Figure

The keyboard warriors who call for violence---like this, and another post yesterday advocating punching journalists in the mouth---will never do anything but call for it. They'll hope someone else takes action so they can watch from their couches.

Yep. It's nothing but cowardice, frankly.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 17, 2017, 12:26:00 PM
Well, we could start by not intentionally interpreting everything he says in the most negative way possible to make him look as bad as possible.

For example, his comments on the Civil War were completely reasonable. He detailed the long lead-up to the war, including Andrew Jackson's role, and asked a profound philosophical question about why it was America had to resort to such a level of infighting.

How did the media and #NeverTrumps interpret this? As Donald Trump being ignorant on the subject. They took his question on why was there a Civil War, and framed it as Trump not knowing the root causes behind the war, rather than the rhetorical, philosophical question it clearly was.

The media has flipped the principle of charity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity) on its head with Trump. A good start to being fair would be, you know, not doing that.

@LetsTalk

If we have a president who puts his foot in his mouth so often that everything he says has to be "interpreted", we're in trouble. 

If your plan is constant excusing and justification, have fun with it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 12:30:18 PM
Well, we could start by not intentionally interpreting everything he says in the most negative way possible to make him look as bad as possible.

For example, his comments on the Civil War were completely reasonable. He detailed the long lead-up to the war, including Andrew Jackson's role, and asked a profound philosophical question about why it was America had to resort to such a level of infighting.

How did the media and #NeverTrumps interpret this? As Donald Trump being ignorant on the subject. They took his question on why was there a Civil War, and framed it as Trump not knowing the root causes behind the war, rather than the rhetorical, philosophical question it clearly was.

The media has flipped the principle of charity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity) on its head with Trump. A good start to being fair would be, you know, not doing that.
I was curious. We don't need to interpret everything he says as the worst possible message, the MSM will do that for us. Still, he does step in it from time to time. While that sort of controversy played well for him in the election cycle dominating airtime and other media, it really gets in the way of governing. The media who had the issues of Newsweek all printed and distributed showing President Hillary on the cover were gobsmacked when she lost (to my immense and intense pleasure), but have recovered and will go into full court press against Trump. It fits their delusions, and I'm just waiting for the psychotic break.

Not all who did not support Trump are Liberals, and most on the Conservative end of things have cautiously steeped back and are looking at what he does, what he tries, and ever look askance at the media. Many are former Cruz supporters who fully understand that the media lies, but also that it is human nature to embrace the messages which fit one's own prejudices before seeking the facts, should those ever be brought to light, intentionally or otherwise.
While Trump will not get a pass or interpretive concessions (he will be taken literally), the assumption is not necessarily the worst. Confirmation of that, should it be the case, is preferred.
Most people here prefer to have the facts, and will post articles from a variety of sources that they might be debunked. That takes facts, and not just a shout-down as I have seen elsewhere, so welcome aboard.
I think you will find most folks here, if not entangled in some silly pissing match, are fair.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mrpotatohead on May 17, 2017, 12:31:57 PM
Look at what using the mere word "impeachment" has done for the market today.  DOW down 250....this might get ugly fast.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on May 17, 2017, 12:34:02 PM
Well, we could start by not intentionally interpreting everything he says in the most negative way possible to make him look as bad as possible.

For example, his comments on the Civil War were completely reasonable. He detailed the long lead-up to the war, including Andrew Jackson's role, and asked a profound philosophical question about why it was America had to resort to such a level of infighting.

How did the media and #NeverTrumps interpret this? As Donald Trump being ignorant on the subject. They took his question on why was there a Civil War, and framed it as Trump not knowing the root causes behind the war, rather than the rhetorical, philosophical question it clearly was.

The media has flipped the principle of charity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity) on its head with Trump. A good start to being fair would be, you know, not doing that.

@LetsTalk

Well, that is completely reasonable, insightful, and accurate.  Too bad your point isn't getting the attention it deserves.

When you take the worst possible interpretation of what someone says as a matter of course, you can make virtually anyone look terrible.  That's not to say that Trump hasn't self-inflicted some wounds, but the degree of perceived self-infliction would be much lower if so many weren't so eager to drag him down.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 12:35:38 PM
Look at what using the mere word "impeachment" has done for the market today.  DOW down 250....this might get ugly fast.

There have been Rats demanding Impeachment since before he was inaugurated.  I was watching the market open before I came in to work (I'm West Coast), and the big dive came when Ryan had a press conference to show his true stripes about Trump's tax cut plan.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 12:40:58 PM
There have been Rats demanding Impeachment since before he was inaugurated.  I was watching the market open before I came in to work (I'm West Coast), and the big dive came when Ryan had a press conference to show his true stripes about Trump's tax cut plan.

I posted this opinion on the Comey/Flynn thread. 

This is not even the time for Trump to defend himself .... it's time for Republicans in Congress to do so and shout from the hilltops.  The libs, dems and the press have declared war and the only pubs we hear from are McCain and Graham.

The Pub leadership, preferably with a respected person like Ted Cruz leading the charge, needs to fight back for their and our leader.

It ticks me off that they haven't done so already.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 17, 2017, 12:58:27 PM

For example, his comments on the Civil War were completely reasonable. He detailed the long lead-up to the war, including Andrew Jackson's role, and asked a profound philosophical question about why it was America had to resort to such a level of infighting.



Jackson's forced march of the civilized Indian tribes of the 1830's grants him no moral authority to say anything of consequence.

And I say this even as he is husband of my great great great great aunt.

Next.....
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 17, 2017, 01:00:45 PM
Jackson's forced march of the civilized Indian tribes of the 1830's grants him no moral authority to say anything of consequence.

Next.....

Trump's philosophical depth runs to about "So do you suppose those or real or silicone?"
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 01:09:23 PM
Jackson's forced march of the civilized Indian tribes of the 1830's grants him no moral authority to say anything of consequence.

And I say this even as he is husband of my great great great great aunt.

Next.....

Everyone has an opinion on the Civil War and Trump is entitled to his.

We need to stop focusing on these minor slip ups.  We are, in effect, joining the vast left wing conspiracy by doing so.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 01:10:58 PM
Part of the problem is that it quickly becomes worse. When such comments began to be allowed at TOS it wasn't long before a comment that "Trump's wall needs to be long enough for his blindfolded enemies to stand with their backs to it"  went unchallenged and soon similar comments were being made with glee.

Fair point and the fact that unchallenged statements become permissible behavior is indeed a risk. But the owner will have to make that call. 

I'm proceeding from the selfish viewpoint that such a comment serves as quotable ammunition when I am called to task for pointing out that there are Trump supporters willing to kill for Trump, or that the mindset of the Trump militant is not any different than mobs who turned their societies into tyrannical bloodbaths.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 01:11:01 PM
Trump's philosophical depth runs to about "So do you suppose those or real or silicone?"

Very funny, Cripplecreek.

You will probably be happy to know that Elijah Cummings just made a statement to the effect that "we cannot ignore these scandals any longer."

Elijah Cummings !!!

We are at war, sweetie.  Choose sides wisely.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 01:13:35 PM
Fair point and the fact that unchallenged statements become permissible behavior is indeed a risk. But the owner will have to make that call. 

I'm proceeding from the selfish viewpoint that such a comment serves as quotable ammunition when I am called to task for pointing out that there are Trump supporters willing to kill for Trump, or that the mindset of the Trump militant is not any different than mobs who turned their societies into tyrannical bloodbaths.

It's a selfish viewpoint, indeed.  And totally wrong. 

We have serious stuff going on in the country and it's time you, and others who agree with you, examine your priorities.

How long are you going to let your Trump Hate control your viewpoint on every issue?  You are as bad as those you are criticizing.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 01:22:43 PM
It's a selfish viewpoint, indeed.  And totally wrong. 

We have serious stuff going on in the country and it's time you, and others who agree with you, examine your priorities.

Look lady, our priorities are based on promoting and defending our principles - not playing Apologetics for an egomaniac with his foot so far up his maw and so far out of his depth it is frightening.


How long are you going to let your Trump Hate control your viewpoint on every issue?  You are as bad as those you are criticizing.

Like liberals, you constantly define every single disagreement or criticism of Trump's statements and behaviors as 'hate'.  I do not hate Trump, nor do I despise him as much as I do Obama or the Clintons.  I'm indifferent to him, and do not expect much in terms of promoting Conservative principles from a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat.

Trump is what he is.  I'm more fascinated by watching the methods of True Believers get applied to Trump, because that is in actuality a larger clear and present danger to liberty than by anything Trump himself can do.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 01:29:02 PM
It's a selfish viewpoint, indeed.  And totally wrong. 

We have serious stuff going on in the country and it's time you, and others who agree with you, examine your priorities.

How long are you going to let your Trump Hate control your viewpoint on every issue?  You are as bad as those you are criticizing.
Some people have just decided that their priority is to bitter, hateful old farts.  They are actually worse than those they are criticizing.    This is about them being right, not what is right for the country. **nononono*
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 17, 2017, 01:30:11 PM
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Trump is what he is.  I'm more fascinated by watching the methods of True Believers get applied to Trump, because that is in actuality a larger clear and present danger to liberty than by anything Trump himself can do.

The Trumpian faction also has to realize that there are some ultra-conservatives like myself, who have taken self-pledges to never ever support a liberal under any circumstance.  This Trojan horse is not a conservative.  He only deserves our contempt.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
Look lady, our priorities are based on promoting and defending our principles - not playing Apologetics for an egomaniac with his foot so far up his maw and so far out of his depth it is frightening.


Like liberals, you constantly define every single disagreement or criticism of Trump's statements and behaviors as 'hate'.  I do not hate Trump, nor do I despise him as much as I do Obama or the Clintons.  I'm indifferent to him, and do not expect much in terms of promoting Conservative principles from a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat.

Trump is what he is.  I'm more fascinated by watching the methods of True Believers get applied to Trump, because that is in actuality a larger clear and present danger to liberty than by anything Trump himself can do.

Your frenetic post just proved my point.  You are more interested in hoping that True Believers, as you call them, get disillusioned and punished than you are in anything substantive happening to the country.

Most reasonable people here are well aware that Trump is as far from perfect as a person could be.

But most of us are more interested in what happens to the country.  You claim to despise Obama and the Clintons and yet you play into their hands by your emphasis on proving yourself right to hate Trump.  That's what it's all about... proving yourself right.

Well, okay.  You are right.

Elijah Cummings just said on TV that "we can't ignore these scandals any longer."

Elijah ... who sat calmly through the Obama administration and the Hillary campaign.

That's the side you want to join???

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 17, 2017, 01:31:24 PM
Some people have just decided that their priority is to bitter, hateful old farts.  They are actually worse than those they are criticizing.    This is about them being right, not what is right for the country. **nononono*

Yep. I too have problems with that aspect of Trump supporters.   :tongue2:




Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 17, 2017, 01:31:40 PM
n.

That's the side you want to join???

Not at all.  Just tell Trump to get the hell out, and let Pence govern.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on May 17, 2017, 01:36:03 PM
I used to think Citizens United was a good call, but these days I'm having my doubts.

It may be on a sound foundation (donating money qualifies as 1st Amendment protected Political Speech) but the best little whorehouse in DC has made itself so totally beholden to K Street I doubt most of Congress is even capable of writing a law themselves.

Which kind of explains why we keep getting Executive Orders Left and Right.

We've let the rascals get away with it for so long the will of the voters has become irrelevant to Congress.

Congressional Whores have turned us into a term limited monarchy.

No matter what any President wants done, they just take the money and flip him off.

As for Trump, he's doing a fine job of painting himself into one corner after another with his 'Art of the Deal' crap.

He needs a course in Public Speaking to learn how to make his case in televised addresses rather than tweets to understand how Reagan worked the room.

Firing Priebus as WH COS is a must if we want Trump to stop cutting his sell out deals.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 17, 2017, 01:37:43 PM
Look at what using the mere word "impeachment" has done for the market today.  DOW down 250....this might get ugly fast.
It is time for party "leaders" like Ryan, McConnell McCain, Cruz etc. to speak out to show us all how much they are committed to the agenda.

Or perhaps they expect Trump to get completely pissed off, resign and start over with Pence, weakened like Gerald Ford.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 17, 2017, 01:38:32 PM
Very funny, Cripplecreek.

You will probably be happy to know that Elijah Cummings just made a statement to the effect that "we cannot ignore these scandals any longer."

Elijah Cummings !!!

We are at war, sweetie.  Choose sides wisely.

Regardless of how anyone feels about Trump half of the country is no longer willing to accept the results of open election. They, their political party, the unelected state bureaucracy and most of the media are complicit in attempting to overthrow those results. And their surrogates are increasingly willing to resort to violence to serve this end.

This above all else should be what concerns us now.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 01:39:54 PM
Not at all.  Just tell Trump to get the hell out, and let Pence govern.
If you think for one second that the Rats are going to let Pence govern any more than they are letting Trump govern, than you are sadly delusional. **nononono*
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 17, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
If you think for one second that the Rats are going to let Pence govern any more than they are letting Trump govern, than you are sadly delusional. **nononono*

Whoooooa there cowboy.  Not saying we would get anything less obstructionist from the dims, but at least all the DJT clown show distraction  would be cleared.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
Your frenetic post just proved my point.  You are more interested in hoping that True Believers, as you call them, get disillusioned and punished than you are in anything substantive happening to the country.

Where have I called for Trump Believers to be punished?  Secondly, supporting a party and/or politicians who have no principles other than themselves while creating the illusion of 'winning' is not accomplishing anything substantive for the country, even if you have lied to yourself that it does.

But most of us are more interested in what happens to the country.  You claim to despise Obama and the Clintons and yet you play into their hands by your emphasis on proving yourself right to hate Trump.  That's what it's all about... proving yourself right.

It is the Devil who would like everyone to believe that pointing out sins, flaws and bad behavior is worse than anything else that someone can do.  The interest you demonstrate is in salvation via politics and politicians, not from principles that undergird liberty.  The principles that a majority have declared an 'enemy of good' as you hitch your faith to a man and his party that continue to practice insanity to save you from the consequences that are now inevitable.

Principled Conservatives proving ourselves right about all this simply acknowledges the fact that we are going to suffer those consequences - bigly.  There is no pleasure in it outside of standing for  the truth and what is right, despite the fact the majority do not want to hear it.   You and a majority of Party hacks and political supporters continue to demonstrate the fact that Isaiah 30:10 is what governs the minds and hearts of this people.

Elijah Cummings just said on TV that "we can't ignore these scandals any longer."

Elijah ... who sat calmly through the Obama administration and the Hillary campaign.

That's the side you want to join???

I don't give a crap what the Communist has to say - and I don't play the tiresome game of "You are either with us, or you are the enemy".  Doing so just continues to illustrate that our refusal to jump on your train from the beginning was a wise choice.
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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 02:02:20 PM
Everyone has an opinion on the Civil War and Trump is entitled to his.

We need to stop focusing on these minor slip ups.  We are, in effect, joining the vast left wing conspiracy by doing so.
There's just one problem with that last statement. We actually want him to do a good job. We love America. Sometimes criticism is 'constructive'--as in 'here's what was wrong, quit it'.

The left wants to wreck the whole country.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 02:14:57 PM
Your frenetic post just proved my point.  You are more interested in hoping that True Believers, as you call them, get disillusioned and punished than you are in anything substantive happening to the country.

Most reasonable people here are well aware that Trump is as far from perfect as a person could be.

But most of us are more interested in what happens to the country.  You claim to despise Obama and the Clintons and yet you play into their hands by your emphasis on proving yourself right to hate Trump.  That's what it's all about... proving yourself right.

Well, okay.  You are right.

Elijah Cummings just said on TV that "we can't ignore these scandals any longer."

Elijah ... who sat calmly through the Obama administration and the Hillary campaign.

That's the side you want to join???
M'am, right is right and wrong is wrong, and that doesn't change because the guy you like is the one screwing up.
"...as far from perfect as a person could be" would just about make him the Devil incarnate--and none of us have claimed that degree of evil on Trump's part--those are your words.
To me, Elijah Cummings is a waste of calories and oxygen, and has always been a shill for the Communists in our Government. The Obama administration was one continuous series of intertwined multiple scandals, and Elijah did just fine ignoring those, so he can STFU.

Like I said, we want Trump to get it right; the fate of our country is depending on it. That doesn't mean we'll give him a mulligan and stop looking at reality, either. It isn't "hate" that motivates any of us to point out the flaws in logic or policy at the highest levels. What needs to quit is the whole "shoot the messenger" mentality. It is just another way of ignoring the problem.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
I used to think Citizens United was a good call, but these days I'm having my doubts.

It may be on a sound foundation (donating money qualifies as 1st Amendment protected Political Speech) but the best little whorehouse in DC has made itself so totally beholden to K Street I doubt most of Congress is even capable of writing a law themselves.

Which kind of explains why we keep getting Executive Orders Left and Right.

We've let the rascals get away with it for so long the will of the voters has become irrelevant to Congress.

Congressional Whores have turned us into a term limited monarchy.

No matter what any President wants done, they just take the money and flip him off.

As for Trump, he's doing a fine job of painting himself into one corner after another with his 'Art of the Deal' crap.

He needs a course in Public Speaking to learn how to make his case in televised addresses rather than tweets to understand how Reagan worked the room.

Firing Priebus as WH COS is a must if we want Trump to stop cutting his sell out deals.
Yes. All of this, especially the last.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 02:24:50 PM
That's the side you want to join???

This demanding everybody choose sides is what led us to where we have a child in office today.  "You're either on my side or you're the enemy" is fine for spotting Islamist terrorists and their enablers, but a very poor governing philosophy in the US.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 17, 2017, 02:26:21 PM
This demanding everybody choose sides is what led us to where we have a child in office today.  "You're either on my side or you're the enemy" is fine for spotting Islamist terrorists and their enablers, but a very poor governing philosophy in the US.

In the rube's pea sized brains, there are only two sides to join.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 02:26:43 PM
It is time for party "leaders" like Ryan, McConnell McCain, Cruz etc. to speak out to show us all how much they are committed to the agenda.

Or perhaps they expect Trump to get completely pissed off, resign and start over with Pence, weakened like Gerald Ford.
I doubt McCain will, he's still pee-ohed at not getting 'his turn' and votes with the Liberals. McConnell, Ryan, maybe sometimes, Cruz will support what he thinks is right, and the two were at 80% or better on issues in the campaign, once you got past the smear crap.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Once-Ler on May 17, 2017, 02:27:06 PM
This demanding everybody choose sides is what led us to where we have a child in office today.  "You're either on my side or you're the enemy" is fine for spotting Islamist terrorists and their enablers, but a very poor governing philosophy in the US.
Great post
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 02:37:20 PM
Yep. I too have problems with that aspect of Trump supporters.   :tongue2:

Bitter, hateful old farts?

I resent that.  I am not old.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 17, 2017, 02:39:51 PM
Bitter, hateful old farts?

I resent that.  I am not old.

Touche, madamoiselle.  :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 17, 2017, 02:41:34 PM
I am astonished that the "if you're not supporting Trump then you're supporting Hillary" nonsense is still alive and well here.  Really.  Astonished.

And the same person suggests that Ted Cruz be loud about what Congress is doing to push aside the Dem agenda?!  Riiiight!  A goldfish has a memory long enough to remember that the Trump supporters were telling Ted to sit down and shut up because he lost. 

@Emjay
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 17, 2017, 02:45:14 PM
This demanding everybody choose sides is what led us to where we have a child in office today.  "You're either on my side or you're the enemy" is fine for spotting Islamist terrorists and their enablers, but a very poor governing philosophy in the US.

There is a third side that is neither for Trump nor against him.

He was elected. The establishment - political community, media, bureaucracy - is attempting to reverse that election under the pretense of some grotesque double standard of justice. There is no evidence to speak of yet they're already talking about impeachment.

Unless some real law breaking or otherwise truly impeachable offense is revealed then opposing the establishment's effort to reverse the results of the past election does not equate to defending Trump simply because he's "our guy". It would be a catastrophe if they were to succeed.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 02:46:04 PM
Great post

We've grown a lot together over the years, @Once-Ler.   :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 02:47:36 PM
I am astonished that the "if you're not supporting Trump then you're supporting Hillary" nonsense is still alive and well here.  Really.  Astonished.

And the same person suggests that Ted Cruz be loud about what Congress is doing to push aside the Dem agenda?!  Riiiight!  A goldfish has a memory long enough to remember that the Trump supporters were telling Ted to sit down and shut up because he lost. 

@Emjay

I am astonished that you are astonished.  Really.  Really astonished.  Particularly since I never once said anything like that.

All I've said is that I was so relieved that Hillary wasn't elected that I decided to support Trump if I possibly could.  And Trump has made it possible to support him on a number of issues and actions.

Yes, Trump was horrible to Cruz.  But Cruz is the better man.  He is a conservative and a pragmatist.  He wants to help Trump with any conservative agenda Trump is attempting to get through.

There is no one more respected and better qualified to lead the Senate right now.  And the Senate and Congress should be speaking up to defend Trump against unfounded and unproven and libelous assertions by the press.

I hope you don't faint with astonishment now.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 02:50:50 PM
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And the Senate and Congress should be speaking up to defend Trump against unfounded and unproven and libelous assertions by the press.

That's probably where most of the leaks are coming from.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 02:54:24 PM
There is a third side that is neither for Trump nor against him.

He was elected. The establishment - political community, media, bureaucracy - is attempting to reverse that election under the pretense of some grotesque double standard of justice. There is no evidence to speak of yet they're already talking about impeachment.

Unless some real law breaking or otherwise truly impeachable offense is revealed then opposing the establishment's effort to reverse the results of the past election does not equate to defending Trump simply because he's "our guy". It would be a catastrophe if they were to succeed.
That gets back to upholding, protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States.

Some people are apparently not for that, whether they are Liberals, or calling for a dictator to reverse the policies and laws the liberals passed, or people caught up in some cult of adulation who think they have found a political messiah to heal all ills with a wave of the hand. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 17, 2017, 02:54:26 PM
You claim to despise Obama and the Clintons and yet you play into their hands by your emphasis on proving yourself right to hate Trump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 02:58:40 PM
That's probably where most of the leaks are coming from.

Good point.  But who's leaking to Congress?  I'd like to follow that string back to the originators.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 02:59:09 PM
No....why say that you know it's not true....I have privately asked for that to be edited...if it is not I will do it!

I was out all day.

Sorry about that....   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 17, 2017, 03:00:14 PM
That gets back to upholding, protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States.

Some people are apparently not for that, whether they are Liberals, or calling for a dictator to reverse the policies and laws the liberals passed, or people caught up in some cult of adulation who think they have found a political messiah to heal all ills with a wave of the hand.

I'm simply saying that in some cases, probably most on this site, defending Trump no more equates to mindlessly defending a  political messiah than opposing him equals support for Hillary.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 03:02:14 PM
That's probably where most of the leaks are coming from.

Maybe from McCain and Linda.  Or possibly others I don't trust.

But not most of the leaks.  Most of the leaks are coming from the Hillary/Obama clan who still have their ugly talons into everything and whose greatest desire in the world is to destroy Trump.

Yes, Trump's personality gives them ammunition but we shouldn't let that interfere with our own thought processes.

Most of the lack of progress on the conservative agenda can be attributed to Congress also.  For them to turn around and blame Trump or refuse to support him against this virtual War is unforgivable.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
This quote was about emulating jihadists though... that's crazy town IMO. Killing women, children, beheading, etc. etc.

I guess people are ok with that kind of talk at this site?


Or...maybe they just know you're FOS.     

Please show us the quote where I am for "Killing women, children, beheading, etc. etc."
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
Good point.  But who's leaking to Congress?  I'd like to follow that string back to the originators.

Probably some of it coming from within the WH as Erick Erickson pointed out yesterday.

It's also probably...IMHO...being drawn from things that are being said to committees and panels by people from the Executive during hearings and quarterly reviews.

Probably stuff that should leave the committee chambers but is being told to a reporter anyway.  And it's safe to say it's something being done by both sides equally.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 03:04:26 PM

Or...maybe they just know you're FOS.     

Please show us the quote where I am for "Killing women, children, beheading, etc. etc."

Gee...how else is one supposed to take a call to "emulate the jihadists"?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
There is a third side that is neither for Trump nor against him.

He was elected. The establishment - political community, media, bureaucracy - is attempting to reverse that election under the pretense of some grotesque double standard of justice. There is no evidence to speak of yet they're already talking about impeachment.

Unless some real law breaking or otherwise truly impeachable offense is revealed then opposing the establishment's effort to reverse the results of the past election does not equate to defending Trump simply because he's "our guy". It would be a catastrophe if they were to succeed. 

Terrific post @skeeter
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 03:06:07 PM
@Weird Tolkienish Figure

The keyboard warriors who call for violence---like this, and another post yesterday advocating punching journalists in the mouth---will never do anything but call for it. They'll hope someone else takes action so they can watch from their couches.

Of course.

I'm 71 years old.  WTF could I do to change things??   I don't even own any firearms.

But.....it's a good GD thing (for me) I'm not 31 today.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 03:07:33 PM
Gee...how else is one supposed to take a call to "emulate the jihadists"?

You're the one who self-professes to be a big brain round here.....you figure it out.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 17, 2017, 03:07:49 PM
Terrific post @skeeter

 13291
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 03:09:40 PM
You're the one who self-professes to be a big brain round here.....you figure it out.

I self professed that?  news to me.  But hey if you've got a link to show I said that...please share with the rest of us.

A lot of us already had it figured out moments after you hit send.  It's very clear what you meant...no sense back peddling now.

The meaning on what you said was crystal clear to just about everyone who read that post.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 03:18:30 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why we are debating an article written by Politico as if it's worthy of discussion

@Jarhead

 :amen: Brother!  :amen:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 03:21:17 PM

The problem is systemic.   Therefore the only solution is to modify the system so as to alleviate the problem. 


Term Limits.

@DiogenesLamp

The only thing term limits accomplishes is limiting my choices!  No thank you!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 03:23:35 PM
@Jarhead

 :amen: Brother!  :amen:

No article is too trivial when it comes to starting another Trump flame war.  :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 03:27:50 PM
He thought it was a GREAT idea until then.  I'm sure he was shocked when they came for him.  People like that are really hot on knocking off everybody else, in his case he thought wasting half the population of France was a necessary tactic.

@Cyber Liberty

Sort of like all those folks who think we should welcome all those Muslim refugees in the hope that they will kill us last isn't it?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
@INVAR and roamer_1 I'd take it as a compliment when a Liberal calls you politically worthless.

@txradioguy
It has happened so many times as to be... boring.
'Sound and fury, signifying nothing' springs more to mind.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 03:37:32 PM
The Trumpian faction also has to realize that there are some ultra-conservatives like myself, who have taken self-pledges to never ever support a liberal under any circumstance.  This Trojan horse is not a conservative.  He only deserves our contempt.

@catfish1957

You and I agree on most everything but I part company with you if you are suggesting that we should just let the media have it's way with Trump!  NO WAY in hell will I go for that!  Not ever!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 03:38:17 PM
@Cyber Liberty

Sort of like all those folks who think we should welcome all those Muslim refugees in the hope that they will kill us last isn't it?

I don't know about that analogy.  Robespierre never expected to get knocked off at all, let alone last.  He was a big shot when it came to killing off other people, though.  More like a case of "Good for thee, but not for me."
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 03:39:23 PM
Whoooooa there cowboy.  Not saying we would get anything less obstructionist from the dims, but at least all the DJT clown show distraction  would be cleared.

And the media would turn up the heat X100 if not 1000!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 03:42:45 PM
I'm simply saying that in some cases, probably most on this site, defending Trump no more equates to mindlessly defending a  political messiah than opposing him equals support for Hillary.
When he is right he is right, when he is wrong, he is wrong.

It's only the fine points of whether he is right or wrong that seem to be at issue for most.

It is those who will admit no wrong and automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with who have a real problem.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 17, 2017, 03:42:47 PM
@catfish1957

You and I agree on most everything but I part company with you if you are suggesting that we should just let the media have it's way with Trump!  NO WAY in hell will I go for that!  Not ever!

Not at all.  I see these as independent issues.  The MSM needs to be defrocked, but OTOH, Trump needs to stop these self-inflicted woes.
This is a 2 fronted war.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 03:43:03 PM
Terrific post @skeeter

Yes, well expressed, Skeeter.

Proving it's possible to do that without being insulting to others.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 03:44:25 PM
There is a third side that is neither for Trump nor against him.

He was elected. The establishment - political community, media, bureaucracy - is attempting to reverse that election under the pretense of some grotesque double standard of justice. There is no evidence to speak of yet they're already talking about impeachment.

Unless some real law breaking or otherwise truly impeachable offense is revealed then opposing the establishment's effort to reverse the results of the past election does not equate to defending Trump simply because he's "our guy". It would be a catastrophe if they were to succeed.

@skeeter

Post of the day!  If not the month!   888high58888
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 03:46:34 PM
When he is right he is right, when he is wrong, he is wrong.

It's only the fine points of whether he is right or wrong that seem to be at issue for most.

It is those who will admit no wrong and automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with who have a real problem.

You know what?  The people you describe who "automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with are so rare on this forum they are in danger of becoming extinct.

Maybe the Trump haters just like to post more or have more time or love the sound of their own keyboards more .... I don't know, but I see far more posts from people who automatically pull out the Hate Trump stick than I see defenders of Trump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 03:46:34 PM
When he is right he is right, when he is wrong, he is wrong.

It's only the fine points of whether he is right or wrong that seem to be at issue for most.

It is those who will admit no wrong and automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with who have a real problem.
That's funny, I think it's the people who refuse to admit that everything he does isn't wrong or illegal are the ones who have a real problem. :shrug:  Those people deserve the "hater" label.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 03:47:33 PM
Gee...how else is one supposed to take a call to "emulate the jihadists"?
Maybe he just likes car bombs in markets and IEDs.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 03:48:25 PM
@Cyber Liberty

Sort of like all those folks who think we should welcome all those Muslim refugees in the hope that they will kill us last isn't it?

I know I'm probably a bad person but I just don't and cannot like Muslims.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 03:50:31 PM
That's funny, I think it's the people who refuse to admit that everything he does isn't wrong or illegal are the ones who have a real problem. :shrug:  Those people deserve the "hater" label.
I think if you look around this site with any scintilla of fairness, you won't find anyone like that. What I have seen is how often those who aren't fans of Trump are ignored when they say he did right, but the second they call him on something wrong are labelled "haters" or some such nonsense.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 03:50:42 PM
This demanding everybody choose sides is what led us to where we have a child in office today.  "You're either on my side or you're the enemy" is fine for spotting Islamist terrorists and their enablers, but a very poor governing philosophy in the US.

A little simplistic maybe.  The fact is ... there are two Basic sides with some nuances on both sides.

Yes, we chose a side when electing the person you call a child.  Of course we did.

There were only two sides.  One was unacceptable.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 03:53:27 PM
I know I'm probably a bad person but I just don't and cannot like Muslims.

I have many Muslim friends an acquaintances but I KNOW what would happen to me if their religious leaders ever gain power here.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 03:53:46 PM
And the media would turn up the heat X100 if not 1000!

I think Pence would have a far better shot at unified action. At actually creating a working coalition. He is respected by the Tea Party (even though everyone realizes he needs a backbone), and the moderates will work with him... And he didn't spend a year and a half pissing off absolutely everyone.

And his impeccable character, long record, and mundane lifestyle would leave the press with little traction.

If there is a way forward that will really get things done, it is probably more though Pence than Trump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: XenaLee on May 17, 2017, 03:55:34 PM
I think if you look around this site with any scintilla of fairness, you won't find anyone like that. What I have seen is how often those who aren't fans of Trump are ignored when they say he did right, but the second they call him on something wrong are labelled "haters" or some such nonsense.

And it's not even just if/when you disagree with something Trump does or says.  It's even if/when you disagree with something the GOPe is pushing .... like TrumpCare/ObamaCareLite.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 03:55:50 PM
I think Pence would have a far better shot at unified action. At actually creating a working coalition. He is respected by the Tea Party (even though everyone realizes he needs a backbone), and the moderates will work with him... And he didn't spend a year and a half pissing off absolutely everyone.

And his impeccable character, long record, and mundane lifestyle would leave the press with little traction.

If there is a way forward that will really get things done, it is probably more though Pence than Trump.

Nope!  Yet another scalp on there belt and there would be no stopping them!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 03:56:32 PM
You know what?  The people you describe who "automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with are so rare on this forum they are in danger of becoming extinct.

Maybe the Trump haters just like to post more or have more time or love the sound of their own keyboards more .... I don't know, but I see far more posts from people who automatically pull out the Hate Trump stick than I see defenders of Trump.
For a second I thought y'all were lobbying for 'endangered species' status.

I don't know of any "Trump Haters", despite there being plenty of folks who disagree with some of the things he has done or the way he has done them.
I must be on all the wrong threads. Either that, or you equate disagreement with "hate", which is patently ridiculous.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 03:57:44 PM
A little simplistic maybe.  The fact is ... there are two Basic sides with some nuances on both sides.

Yes, we chose a side when electing the person you call a child.  Of course we did.

There were only two sides.  One was unacceptable.

There were many fine choices during the primaries, way down to the bottom of my list was one Donald Trump.

Life is not black and white.  You are doing a disservice to people who would be your allies by pigeon-holing them as being against you when they aren't at heart.  That was the point I was attempting to make, but I did an inartful job of it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
I think Pence would have a far better shot at unified action. At actually creating a working coalition. He is respected by the Tea Party (even though everyone realizes he needs a backbone), and the moderates will work with him... And he didn't spend a year and a half pissing off absolutely everyone.

And his impeccable character, long record, and mundane lifestyle would leave the press with little traction.

If there is a way forward that will really get things done, it is probably more though Pence than Trump.

But not by impeachment.  That would leave a scar on our party that would never heal.

I'm guessing Trump won't opt for another four years of this sheet and we can vote for Pence then.  I was hoping for Cruz but I really like Pence a lot.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 03:58:45 PM
Nope!  Yet another scalp on there belt and there would be no stopping them!

I'm with you on that.  The "Hate Pence" drumbeat would start before he even got his hand on the Bible.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: XenaLee on May 17, 2017, 03:58:57 PM
You know what?  The people you describe who "automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with are so rare on this forum they are in danger of becoming extinct.

Maybe the Trump haters just like to post more or have more time or love the sound of their own keyboards more .... I don't know, but I see far more posts from people who automatically pull out the Hate Trump stick than I see defenders of Trump.

There are a scant few in both groups.  It's just that the anti-Trumpers seem to be more prolific posters .... at least lately...lol.  They've had a lot of ammo and help from the rad left (might explain it).
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: XenaLee on May 17, 2017, 04:00:35 PM
I'm with you on that.  The "Hate Pence" drumbeat would start before he even got his hand on the Bible.

Of course.  And they would probably even try to hire some bimbos to claim (falsely, of course) that they were abused in some way by Pence.  It's a pattern of abuse that the left knows only too well how to inflict upon anyone that isn't on their plantation.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 04:03:25 PM
Nope!  Yet another scalp on there belt and there would be no stopping them!
As a practical matter, while Pence might have less stored enmity out there, you are correct. Any giving ground to the Dems would be seen not only as a sign of weakness, but would encourage them in their lawless rants across the country. Then things would get really ugly, because people would not stand for that.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 04:03:44 PM
A little simplistic maybe.  The fact is ... there are two Basic sides with some nuances on both sides.

Yes, we chose a side when electing the person you call a child.  Of course we did.

There were only two sides.  One was unacceptable.

The illusion you are operating under is that there are two sides, represented in Democrat and Republican... There are not. Just two feet of the same giant, shuffling toward Gomorrah.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 04:05:20 PM
Of course.  And they would probably even try to hire some bimbos to claim (falsely, of course) that they were abused in some way by Pence.  It's a pattern of abuse that the left knows only too well how to inflict upon anyone that isn't on their plantation.

Look at how they went after him just for saying he takes his wife with him all the time.  There's no winning with these pieces of crap.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 17, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
   With FR down our resident Trumpsters are getting added reinforcements and I am glad, they needed some fresh blood.  Welcome to all you newbies.

FR is down?  I didn't notice.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 04:07:07 PM
As a practical matter, while Pence might have less stored enmity out there, you are correct. Any giving ground to the Dems would be seen not only as a sign of weakness, but would encourage them in their lawless rants across the country. Then things would get really ugly, because people would not stand for that.

People WILL put up with it if they think it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 17, 2017, 04:07:20 PM
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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 04:07:27 PM
Nope!  Yet another scalp on there belt and there would be no stopping them!

I would disagree. I think the rally on the Conservative side would be significant.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
The illusion you are operating under is that there are two sides, represented in Democrat and Republican... There are not. Just two feet of the same giant, shuffling toward Gomorrah.

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre,

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born."

Yep, a kindred soul to your own.  Glad I don't feel that way.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 17, 2017, 04:07:47 PM
The illusion you are operating under is that there are two sides, represented in Democrat and Republican... There are not. Just two feet of the same giant, shuffling toward Gomorrah.

QFT
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 04:09:48 PM
But not by impeachment.  That would leave a scar on our party that would never heal.


That's the breaks... And the result of electing a man of low character in the first place.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 04:11:15 PM
People WILL put up with it if they think it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

@Cyber Liberty

A minor correction if I may:

People WILL put up with it if they think are made to believe it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

The media is GREAT at doing that!

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 04:13:04 PM
I would disagree. I think the rally on the Conservative side would be significant.

OK!  I can live with the fact that you disagree with me.  Hope you can as well because I strongly disagree with that.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 04:13:16 PM
It's just that the anti-Trumpers seem to be more prolific posters .... at least lately...lol.  They've had a lot of ammo and help from the rad left (might explain it).

You have left off all the ammo that Trump himself - and his bumbling and handling of all of this has provided.

I would think the disdain for the Left's propaganda Media is greater in influence on those of us who do not see Trump as anything more than he always was and continues to demonstrate. 

Trump has damaged himself and all he has done is give legs to all the efforts the Leftist media is undertaking to decrown him.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 04:16:31 PM
People WILL put up with it if they think are made to believe it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

The media is GREAT at doing that!

It just highlights the ugly truth that Americans in general today are become an uneducated, ignorant lot of fools easily beguiled and swayed into whatever they are told to think, believe and act on.

The media only has such power because Americans no longer think for themselves and follow the emoting herds into dependency.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 04:18:01 PM
It just highlights the ugly truth that Americans in general today are become an uneducated, ignorant lot of fools easily beguiled and swayed into whatever they are told to think, believe and act on.

The media only has such power because Americans no longer think for themselves and follow the emoting herds into dependency.

Well said!  And unfortunately very true!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 04:18:34 PM
@Cyber Liberty

A minor correction if I may:

People WILL put up with it if they think are made to believe it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

The media is GREAT at doing that!

I agree and stand by your edit, it's perfect!   :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 17, 2017, 04:20:41 PM
I think if you look around this site with any scintilla of fairness, you won't find anyone like that. What I have seen is how often those who aren't fans of Trump are ignored when they say he did right, but the second they call him on something wrong are labelled "haters" or some such nonsense.

I think it's safe to say there are three or four posters for whom everything trump does is wrong, just as there are three or four for whom everything he does is right. 

The difference I have observed is the former group generally take their shots at trump, while the latter group generally take their shots at just about anyone who criticizes trump (while also throwing around the "hater" label -- really?).
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 04:24:58 PM
 :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 04:25:41 PM
I think it's safe to say there are three or four posters for whom everything trump does is wrong, just as there are three or four for whom everything he does is right. 

The difference I have observed is the former group generally take their shots at trump, while the latter group generally take their shots at just about anyone who criticizes trump (while also throwing around the "hater" label -- really?).

Then there are the folks on both side who declare TBR a rotten place because the side opposite to theirs is allowed to speak at all.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 04:25:43 PM
OK!  I can live with the fact that you disagree with me.  Hope you can as well because I strongly disagree with that.

I doubt I will ever have trouble with you @Bigun . I know where you're heart is. And it is fair enough to have disagreement in what is only speculation as to which way the road will turn. We'll know better when we get around the corner.

 :beer:

What I DO know is that the Republicans are horribly in disarray, splintered beyond almost all hope. What it will take to fix that is a leader to follow, and a set of standards to fly. That hasn't happened, nor is it likely to happen with Trump at the top.

So in my mind, regardless of the conditions legitimately employed to that end, that end is where it starts to come back together.

In the mean time, not my circus, and certainly not my monkey.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 17, 2017, 04:27:22 PM
Trump is a wrecking ball which isn't a tool of precision. People saw Trump knocking stuff down in DC and were enamored with it. The problem is a wrecking ball is not useful at building things, only at knocking them down. And when you knock down things, particularly in DC, you better fill the void quickly or something else will replace it and that something else can be far worse than what you just knocked down.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 04:30:02 PM
I think it's safe to say there are three or four posters for whom everything trump does is wrong, just as there are three or four for whom everything he does is right. 

The difference I have observed is the former group generally take their shots at trump, while the latter group generally take their shots at just about anyone who criticizes trump (while also throwing around the "hater" label -- really?).

Suggest you clean your lenses.

Your own words:

"...the former group (which include those "4" who live here 24/7) generally take their shots at trump,"

'They' do this on virtually every thread, many times savagely piling on, ala Lord of the Flies.

That's what calls any decent Trump supporter to speak out and rebuke them in the strongest of terms.

Now.....if you need a safe space, contact the management. :laugh:



Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 04:31:23 PM
@Cyber Liberty

A minor correction if I may:

People WILL put up with it if they think are made to believe it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

The media is GREAT at doing that!

It's all good until someone loses a liquor store. (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7084/53/1600/Texans1.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 04:35:38 PM
I think it's safe to say there are three or four posters for whom everything trump does is wrong, just as there are three or four for whom everything he does is right. 

The difference I have observed is the former group generally take their shots at trump, while the latter group generally take their shots at just about anyone who criticizes trump (while also throwing around the "hater" label -- really?).
:beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 04:43:42 PM
I think it's safe to say there are three or four posters for whom everything trump does is wrong, just as there are three or four for whom everything he does is right. 

The difference I have observed is the former group generally take their shots at trump, while the latter group generally take their shots at just about anyone who criticizes trump (while also throwing around the "hater" label -- really?).

Looks like you've pretty much got this figured out!   :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 17, 2017, 04:50:35 PM
It just highlights the ugly truth that Americans in general today are become an uneducated, ignorant lot of fools easily beguiled and swayed into whatever they are told to think, believe and act on.

The media only has such power because Americans no longer think for themselves and follow the emoting herds into dependency.
Once again, a way-over-the-top generalization of the American people which I reject as a pitiful attempt to indict the majority of us.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 04:55:44 PM
That's the breaks... And the result of electing a man of low character in the first place.
Maybe you should tell that to Pence, since he supported him, agreed to be his VP and I presume voted for him.  What does that make him.  According to a lot of NTs, that makes him not a conservative. :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 05:01:23 PM
Maybe you should tell that to Pence, since he supported him, agreed to be his VP and I presume voted for him.  What does that make him.  According to a lot of NTs, that makes him not a conservative. :shrug:

Not to me. Albeit that Pence is a few vertebrae short of a full spine, I would happily take that with the character I know him to possess, over the low character of the current occupant, regardless of his brass.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 05:06:20 PM
Suggest you clean your lenses.

Your own words:

"...the former group (which include those "4" who live here 24/7) generally take their shots at trump,"

'They' do this on virtually every thread, many times savagely piling on, ala Lord of the Flies.

That's what calls any decent Trump supporter to speak out and rebuke them in the strongest of terms.

Now.....if you need a safe space, contact the management. :laugh:
Well, now, if SNAFU wasn't so normal, people would find other things to talk about, ya think? As for "virtually every thread", well, the comments pertain to the subject matter. There have been threads here where Trump doesn't even get brought up, but folks looking for "haters" to hate on might miss those.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 05:07:57 PM
Not to me. Albeit that Pence is a few vertebrae short of a full spine, I would happily take that with the character I know him to possess, over the low character of the current occupant, regardless of his brass.

To me, what matters is who moves the ball farther down the field, and I can't honestly predict that.  One thing I do know is that if Trump is removed for Pence, the leftist press will start the anti-Pence drumbeat the instant it happens, so there's that going for Trump right now.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 05:12:24 PM
Well, now, if SNAFU wasn't so normal, people would find other things to talk about, ya think? As for "virtually every thread", well, the comments pertain to the subject matter. There have been threads here where Trump doesn't even get brought up, but folks looking for "haters" to hate on might miss those.

My subject is the POLITICS category.   Should have made that clear.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 05:15:42 PM
To me, what matters is who moves the ball farther down the field, and I can't honestly predict that.  One thing I do know is that if Trump is removed for Pence, the leftist press will start the anti-Pence drumbeat the instant it happens, so there's that going for Trump right now.

It doesn't matter. The press is always going to be against a Republican. This is nothing new, or even at any greater volume.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 17, 2017, 05:21:10 PM
To me, what matters is who moves the ball farther down the field, and I can't honestly predict that.  One thing I do know is that if Trump is removed for Pence, the leftist press will start the anti-Pence drumbeat the instant it happens, so there's that going for Trump right now.

Mike Pence ... to be honest, I had never heard of him till Trump named him his VP...something about the guy I just don't trust.  The MSM and the DEMS aren't going to stop.  They are in full 'war' mode.  They lost.  They have nothing left other than their lies, their accusations and a MSM that is willing to spread their b.s.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 05:26:32 PM
Mike Pence ... to be honest, I had never heard of him till Trump named him his VP...something about the guy I just don't trust.  The MSM and the DEMS aren't going to stop.  They are in full 'war' mode.  They lost.  They have nothing left other than their lies, their accusations and a MSM that is willing to spread their b.s.

I'd heard of him, and I like what I've heard so far.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 05:28:11 PM
It doesn't matter. The press is always going to be against a Republican. This is nothing new, or even at any greater volume.

This is true, but Pence would have the added burden of a press dancing on his predecessor's grave holding his severed head.  It would make things more difficult under those circumstances, no? 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 05:33:15 PM
This is true, but Pence would have the added burden of a press dancing on his predecessor's grave holding his severed head.  It would make things more difficult under those circumstances, no?

I don't think so... And really, I don't care. If the reason to hold Trump up is only to prevent the press and the Democrats from having their satisfaction, it means far less to me than the press and the democrats having their way - which they predictably will under a liberal Republican administration.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 05:33:30 PM
It doesn't matter. The press is always going to be against a Republican. This is nothing new, or even at any greater volume.

But, honestly @roamer_1 how much can we be expected to endure?  Some of us, myself included, fought long and hard for a different type of leader to pull this country back to the right direction and at the least break up the deep state.

I am convinced such expectations were sheer folly.  And I'll admit, it is time for President Trump to pack his bags, or we'll pack them for him.  It's just enough.

I am inclined to believe they will allow Pence to assume the Presidency.  He'll be neutered, but at least we'll hold the office.

I envision a Paul Ryan type, or Paul Ryan himself, selected as VP ... and after muted and sparse gnashing of teeth, the Senate, including the majority of Democrats, will confirm the nominee. It will be hailed as the first act of reconciliation after the disaster of Donald Trump.  And this reconciliation will be the hallmark of all legislation.

The nightmare and the turmoil will be over and a sense of normalcy will be returned.  Hell, even here friendship and civility will return.  Enough with the fight.  It's too exhausting.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 05:41:15 PM
But, honestly @roamer_1 how much can we be expected to endure?  Some of us, myself included, fought long and hard for a different type of leader to pull this country back to the right direction and at the least break up the deep state.

Too bad, in your folly, that you chose a boorish NY liberal with ties to the mob, and globalism to bear that standard.

I know I am just a back country hick, but around here, while we know putting a fox in the henhouse might change the status in the henhouse, we have the foresight to know that not all changes to the henhouse are desirable.

Quote
I am convinced such expectations were sheer folly. 

Congratulations.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 17, 2017, 05:46:31 PM
But, honestly @roamer_1 how much can we be expected to endure?  Some of us, myself included, fought long and hard for a different type of leader to pull this country back to the right direction and at the least break up the deep state.

I am convinced such expectations were sheer folly.  And I'll admit, it is time for President Trump to pack his bags, or we'll pack them for him.  It's just enough.

I am inclined to believe they will allow Pence to assume the Presidency.  He'll be neutered, but at least we'll hold the office.

I envision a Paul Ryan type, or Paul Ryan himself, selected as VP ... and after muted and sparse gnashing of teeth, the Senate, including the majority of Democrats, will confirm the nominee. It will be hailed as the first act of reconciliation after the disaster of Donald Trump.  And this reconciliation will be the hallmark of all legislation.

The nightmare and the turmoil will be over and a sense of normalcy will be returned.  Hell, even here friendship and civility will return.  Enough with the fight.  It's too exhausting.

You've given up far too easy. The sense of normalcy you speak of is the fall of this country under a mountain of unfunded liabilities 200+ trillion dollars, larger growth of centralized government further removing decisions from the states to the Feds, full invasion of illegals with the amnesty party, larger influence pushed by lobbiests to the GOP and their money masters, continued erosions of our freedoms from socialist liberals with no fight from spineless feckless repukelicans and ultimately a totalitarian state led by marxists.

Sorry but Trump is barely 3 months in and we want to concede? How about fighting against the very people who are at the center of this? Our spineless GOPe.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 05:48:32 PM
@roamer_1
(http://img.memecdn.com/its-a-trap_o_100145.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 05:50:11 PM
I don't think so... And really, I don't care. If the reason to hold Trump up is only to prevent the press and the Democrats from having their satisfaction, it means far less to me than the press and the democrats having their way - which they predictably will under a liberal Republican administration.

Can't argue with that.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 17, 2017, 05:52:27 PM
@roamer_1
(http://img.memecdn.com/its-a-trap_o_100145.jpg)

 888high58888

LOL.  It sure is.  Nobody turns on a dime like that.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 17, 2017, 05:53:35 PM
Too bad, in your folly, that you chose a boorish NY liberal with ties to the mob, and globalism to bear that standard.

I know I am just a back country hick, but around here, while we know putting a fox in the henhouse might change the status in the henhouse, we have the foresight to know that not all changes to the henhouse are desirable.

Congratulations.

That's a kinnard! Share with us please what policies of major consequence is he pushing that is oh so liberal? Believe me I had to get over the butt hurt too when my guy Cruz didn't get in but I'll be honest objectively looking at his agenda and what policies he is pushing are conservative. Problem I see is most still believe it is the primaries akin to Hillary losing the election and not letting it go.

Border security through wall
Cut off immigration
Invest in America
Kill Obamacare
Bring jobs back (I don't agree 100% with his policy on this one)
Cut taxes across the board
Kill regulations crippling business
Openly talk about faith
Kill EPA regs
Open up land reserved by the Feds and place back under State control

So back to my original, what policies above does a liberal support? His agenda is far more conservative than ANY imagined and far more than any that has been pushed since Reagan.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 05:55:24 PM

(http://img.memecdn.com/its-a-trap_o_100145.jpg)

@corbe

Gee, ya think?

 888high58888
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 17, 2017, 05:56:35 PM
I don't think so... And really, I don't care. If the reason to hold Trump up is only to prevent the press and the Democrats from having their satisfaction, it means far less to me than the press and the democrats having their way - which they predictably will under a liberal Republican administration.

Border security through wall
Cut off immigration
Invest in America
Kill Obamacare
Bring jobs back (I don't agree 100% with his policy on this one)
Cut taxes across the board
Kill regulations crippling business
Openly talk about faith
Kill EPA regs
Open up land reserved by the Feds and place back under State control

Yup sounds pretty liberal to me
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 17, 2017, 06:00:28 PM
But, honestly @roamer_1 how much can we be expected to endure?  Some of us, myself included, fought long and hard for a different type of leader to pull this country back to the right direction and at the least break up the deep state.

I am convinced such expectations were sheer folly.  And I'll admit, it is time for President Trump to pack his bags, or we'll pack them for him.  It's just enough.

I am inclined to believe they will allow Pence to assume the Presidency.  He'll be neutered, but at least we'll hold the office.

I envision a Paul Ryan type, or Paul Ryan himself, selected as VP ... and after muted and sparse gnashing of teeth, the Senate, including the majority of Democrats, will confirm the nominee. It will be hailed as the first act of reconciliation after the disaster of Donald Trump.  And this reconciliation will be the hallmark of all legislation.

The nightmare and the turmoil will be over and a sense of normalcy will be returned.  Hell, even here friendship and civility will return.  Enough with the fight.  It's too exhausting.

@Right_in_Virginia  Has your account been hacked?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 06:07:51 PM
That's a kinnard! Share with us please what policies of major consequence is he pushing that is oh so liberal? Believe me I had to get over the butt hurt too when my guy Cruz didn't get in but I'll be honest objectively looking at his agenda and what policies he is pushing are conservative. Problem I see is most still believe it is the primaries akin to Hillary losing the election and not letting it go.

Border security through wall
Cut off immigration
Invest in America
Kill Obamacare
Bring jobs back (I don't agree 100% with his policy on this one)
Cut taxes across the board
Kill regulations crippling business
Openly talk about faith
Kill EPA regs
Open up land reserved by the Feds and place back under State control

So back to my original, what policies above does a liberal support? His agenda is far more conservative than ANY imagined and far more than any that has been pushed since Reagan.

   AGENDA:  these are all words so far, Yes he killed some EPA regs then gutted the agency's funds in the budget he signed off on then threw in some bucks for PP to appease Ivanka.
   Immigration: get back to me when he cancels obummers EO's on DACA and DAPA.
   He's the main reason we didn't get the Repeal of ACA because his deputies (Bannon, Miller, Reince) screwed the process up, Ryan being such a puss and all.   
   Openly Talks about Faith, I'm still laughing about that one.

   Hey we got Gorsuch, Pruitt, Mattis and Perry so I'm kool but the rest are merely Words as @geronl says.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 17, 2017, 06:10:21 PM
Maybe you should tell that to Pence, since he supported him, agreed to be his VP and I presume voted for him.  What does that make him.  According to a lot of NTs, that makes him not a conservative. :shrug:

@beandog

Do you think Pence is a man without ambition?  He's a politician, after all.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 06:14:14 PM
Too bad, in your folly, that you chose a boorish NY liberal with ties to the mob, and globalism to bear that standard.

I know I am just a back country hick, but around here, while we know putting a fox in the henhouse might change the status in the henhouse, we have the foresight to know that not all changes to the henhouse are desirable.

Congratulations.

I am, again, humbled by your brilliance ... deeply insightful comments and gratuitous compliment.

I am glad we're finally on the same side.  You are a treasure.   :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 17, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
   AGENDA:  these are all words so far, Yes he killed some EPA regs then gutted the agency's funds in the budget he signed off on then threw in some bucks for PP to appease Ivanka.
   Immigration: get back to me when he cancels obummers EO's on DACA and DAPA.
   He's the main reason we didn't get the Repeal of ACA because his deputies (Bannon, Miller, Reince) screwed the process up, Ryan being such a puss and all.   
   Openly Talks about Faith, I'm still laughing about that one.

   Hey we got Gorsuch, Pruitt, Mattis and Perry so I'm kool but the rest are merely Words as @geronl says.

It wasn't a budget but a CR. The budget battle is in a couple months.
We didn't get a repeal of ACA because of a feckless GOPe congress.
DACA YOU WONT hear me support this and agree it makes no sense

I believe a lot of your angst shouldn't be pointed at Trump as he sets forth policy and ideas then leads the party to adopt. It is up to Congress to architect the bill and pass it to his desk.

Your issue should primarily be with a worthless do nothing GOPe Congress not entirely with Trump
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
@Right_in_Virginia  Has your account been hacked?

 888blackhat


@DB
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 06:19:40 PM
That's a kinnard!

I take it you meant 'canard', otherwise plz define.

Quote
Share with us please what policies of major consequence is he pushing that is oh so liberal?

all of them, in the end.

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Believe me I had to get over the butt hurt too when my guy Cruz didn't get in

Not a matter of butthurt in the least. It amazes me how often y'all accuse it of me.

I am against Trump because I will not (ever) consciously associate myself with a man of deprecable character.
I am against Trump because he is a liberal, and has always been a liberal. His thinking is liberal, his family is liberal, and all that will not change, even though you might hope for the 'Road to Damascus' conversion he proclaims.

Quote
but I'll be honest objectively looking at his agenda and what policies he is pushing are conservative. Problem I see is most still believe it is the primaries akin to Hillary losing the election and not letting it go.

Precisely why I am no longer a Republican. I am not impressed with the idea that I must fall in line behind the 'Won'. I find it a deplorable trait. I will ever follow those of merit, or I will lead. But I do not salute the brass for the brass's sake.

Quote
Border security through wall
Cut off immigration
Invest in America
Kill Obamacare
Bring jobs back (I don't agree 100% with his policy on this one)
Cut taxes across the board
Kill regulations crippling business
Openly talk about faith
Kill EPA regs
Open up land reserved by the Feds and place back under State control

Talking points, subject to change... And changing already.

Quote
So back to my original, what policies above does a liberal support? His agenda is far more conservative than ANY imagined and far more than any that has been pushed since Reagan.

His agenda is bullsh*t meant to dance you down the garden path.
What possible reason would one have for believing a man who literally cannot prevent himself from lying for ten minutes? He lies like a rug, and yet you believe him.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 06:27:39 PM
   @roamer_1 I really wasn't that shocked or surprised when he made the "Grab them by the..." comment, I already knew he was just a MAN, lacking in Character like some of us, What was equally not shocking was the fact that he said it into a Live Microphone, it confirmed my suspensions of what stupid looks like.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 06:29:53 PM
I am, again, humbled by your brilliance ... deeply insightful comments and gratuitous compliment.

I am glad we're finally on the same side.  You are a treasure.   :beer:

Yah right back atcha... Here's a nice song Just for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 17, 2017, 06:35:55 PM
   @roamer_1 I really wasn't that shocked or surprised when he made the "Grab them by the..." comment, I already knew he was just a MAN, lacking in Character like some of us, What was equally not shocking was the fact that he said it into a Live Microphone, it confirmed my suspensions of what stupid looks like.

@corbe

He hasn't shocked me in the least. I've seen a thousand just like him, and can smell em coming from a mile away. What continues to amaze me is how very many fall for it. Billy Jeff Clinton is cut from the same cloth...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 06:41:53 PM
Yah right back atcha... Here's a nice song Just for you. 

No thank you @roamer_1   You've been far too nice as it is.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 06:44:17 PM
   AGENDA:  these are all words so far, Yes he killed some EPA regs then gutted the agency's funds in the budget he signed off on then threw in some bucks for PP to appease Ivanka.
   Immigration: get back to me when he cancels obummers EO's on DACA and DAPA.
   He's the main reason we didn't get the Repeal of ACA because his deputies (Bannon, Miller, Reince) screwed the process up, Ryan being such a puss and all.   
   Openly Talks about Faith, I'm still laughing about that one.

   Hey we got Gorsuch, Pruitt, Mattis and Perry so I'm kool but the rest are merely Words as @geronl says.

What the hell are you complaining about @corbe ?  You're getting what you want served on a silver platter.

Gee, can't you ever be happy?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 06:49:47 PM
What the hell are you complaining about @corbe ?  You're getting what you want served on a silver platter.

Gee, can't you ever be happy?

   I am happy @Right_in_Virginia I don't advocate Impeachment at all, and if there is one it's more his making than the MSM, as has already been ascertained, Haters gotta hater, But I do want him to stick to character and go down fighting, it's more entertaining that way.

:2popcorn:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 07:06:39 PM
Mike Pence ... to be honest, I had never heard of him till Trump named him his VP...something about the guy I just don't trust.  The MSM and the DEMS aren't going to stop.  They are in full 'war' mode.  They lost.  They have nothing left other than their lies, their accusations and a MSM that is willing to spread their b.s.
Actually, he was a primary maybe when Romney was running, maybe even McCain. He did not look that bad, then. At least he wasn't on my "Oh, Hell no!" list. I can see him taking the veep offer, because 'if not now, when?' I don't think he was on the country-clubber's dance card.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 17, 2017, 07:13:09 PM
It wasn't a budget but a CR. The budget battle is in a couple months.
We didn't get a repeal of ACA because of a feckless GOPe congress.
DACA YOU WONT hear me support this and agree it makes no sense

I believe a lot of your angst shouldn't be pointed at Trump as he sets forth policy and ideas then leads the party to adopt. It is up to Congress to architect the bill and pass it to his desk.

Your issue should primarily be with a worthless do nothing GOPe Congress not entirely with Trump

I think you make a very good point.

On the things he can do, he's done a decent job.  He hasn't done everything he said he'd do (DAY ONE), and he's reversed himself on some (didn't see that coming), but all in all it seems to be he's done a goof bit to a lot more good than harm.

And then there's Congress.  POTUS can insipire/threaten/bribe/beg, but it's up to the Congress to send him bills to sign.  They have no reason to care one bit about POTUS's agenda.  They write the bills.  What conservative bills has trump vetoed?


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 17, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
@skeeter

Post of the day!  If not the month!   888high58888

Thanks, Bigun.

Glad your road trip went well!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 07:17:49 PM
But, honestly @roamer_1 how much can we be expected to endure?  Some of us, myself included, fought long and hard for a different type of leader to pull this country back to the right direction and at the least break up the deep state.

I am convinced such expectations were sheer folly.  And I'll admit, it is time for President Trump to pack his bags, or we'll pack them for him.  It's just enough.

I am inclined to believe they will allow Pence to assume the Presidency.  He'll be neutered, but at least we'll hold the office.

I envision a Paul Ryan type, or Paul Ryan himself, selected as VP ... and after muted and sparse gnashing of teeth, the Senate, including the majority of Democrats, will confirm the nominee. It will be hailed as the first act of reconciliation after the disaster of Donald Trump.  And this reconciliation will be the hallmark of all legislation.

The nightmare and the turmoil will be over and a sense of normalcy will be returned.  Hell, even here friendship and civility will return.  Enough with the fight.  It's too exhausting.
@Right_in_Virginia
Have you noticed any numbness or tingling in your extremities?
Is your speech slurred?
Are you having trouble with your vision?
Check in the mirror and make sure you have normal full facial mobility on both sides.
If the answer to any of the first three is yes, or the answer to the last question is no, and you  have not been consuming excessive amounts of alcohol based refreshments or muscle relaxers, please seek medical attention...you may have had a stroke.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 17, 2017, 07:21:52 PM
Then things would get really ugly, because people would not stand for that.

Of course they would.

What else can they do? The State gets what the State wants. And the state wants a progressive.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 07:27:18 PM
@Right_in_Virginia
Have you noticed any numbness or tingling in your extremities?
Is your speech slurred?
Are you having trouble with your vision?
Check in the mirror and make sure you have normal full facial mobility on both sides.
If the answer to any of the first three is yes, or the answer to the last question is no, and you  have not been consuming excessive amounts of alcohol based refreshments or muscle relaxers, please seek medical attention...you may have had a stroke.

Well, if you believed my post was legitimate @Smokin Joe .... perhaps you should be taking your own advice.   888blackhat
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 07:31:07 PM
Of course they would.

What else can they do? The State gets what the State wants. And the state wants a progressive.
Lawless rants across the country? Rioting? Looting? Nah. Too many people out there now with rifles that will hit from 300+ yards. Looting will be stopped, whether the government wants to or not. All it has to do is get too close to the wrong neighborhood and the neighbors will vote from the rooftops.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 17, 2017, 07:53:10 PM
I think Pence would have a far better shot at unified action. At actually creating a working coalition. He is respected by the Tea Party (even though everyone realizes he needs a backbone), and the moderates will work with him... And he didn't spend a year and a half pissing off absolutely everyone.

And his impeccable character, long record, and mundane lifestyle would leave the press with little traction.

If there is a way forward that will really get things done, it is probably more though Pence than Trump.

The catalyst to destroy this administration has already been started .... Pence isn't going to make this all go away.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: geronl on May 17, 2017, 08:06:23 PM
@beandog

Do you think Pence is a man without ambition?  He's a politician, after all.

So is Chris Christie but his lifes ambition is that next 5AM donut run.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 08:10:24 PM
(https://intellectualfroglegs.com/wp-content/uploads/Swamp-Creature-FINAL-a.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 17, 2017, 08:12:42 PM
I think you make a very good point.

On the things he can do, he's done a decent job.  He hasn't done everything he said he'd do (DAY ONE), and he's reversed himself on some (didn't see that coming), but all in all it seems to be he's done a goof bit to a lot more good than harm.

And then there's Congress.  POTUS can insipire/threaten/bribe/beg, but it's up to the Congress to send him bills to sign.  They have no reason to care one bit about POTUS's agenda.  They write the bills.  What conservative bills has trump vetoed?

He did threaten to "primary" conservatives - and no one else.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 17, 2017, 08:13:49 PM
So is Chris Christie but his lifes ambition is that next 5AM donut run.

@geronl

Lol

After a meatloaf dinner.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 17, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
He did threaten to "primary" conservatives - and no one else.

True.  Good point.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 08:52:56 PM
He did threaten to "primary" conservatives - and no one else.

And the Trump militant wonders why we are not rushing to Trump's defense against "unwarranted" attacks from the MSM and the general ugliness that both Trump and the Left are engaged, with both of their supporters having targeted Conservatives.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mrpotatohead on May 17, 2017, 09:48:53 PM
I take it you meant 'canard', otherwise plz define.

all of them, in the end.

Not a matter of butthurt in the least. It amazes me how often y'all accuse it of me.

I am against Trump because I will not (ever) consciously associate myself with a man of deprecable character.
I am against Trump because he is a liberal, and has always been a liberal. His thinking is liberal, his family is liberal, and all that will not change, even though you might hope for the 'Road to Damascus' conversion he proclaims.

Precisely why I am no longer a Republican. I am not impressed with the idea that I must fall in line behind the 'Won'. I find it a deplorable trait. I will ever follow those of merit, or I will lead. But I do not salute the brass for the brass's sake.

Talking points, subject to change... And changing already.

His agenda is bullsh*t meant to dance you down the garden path.
What possible reason would one have for believing a man who literally cannot prevent himself from lying for ten minutes? He lies like a rug, and yet you believe him.
Dang.....that was quite well said. ^-^
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mrpotatohead on May 17, 2017, 09:54:38 PM
@Right_in_Virginia
Have you noticed any numbness or tingling in your extremities?
Is your speech slurred?
Are you having trouble with your vision?
Check in the mirror and make sure you have normal full facial mobility on both sides.
If the answer to any of the first three is yes, or the answer to the last question is no, and you  have not been consuming excessive amounts of alcohol based refreshments or muscle relaxers, please seek medical attention...you may have had a stroke.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....  you owe me a new monitor!   ....LOLOLOLOL @Smokin Joe
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 10:05:16 PM
But, honestly @roamer_1 how much can we be expected to endure?  Some of us, myself included, fought long and hard for a different type of leader to pull this country back to the right direction and at the least break up the deep state.

I am convinced such expectations were sheer folly.  And I'll admit, it is time for President Trump to pack his bags, or we'll pack them for him.  It's just enough.

I am inclined to believe they will allow Pence to assume the Presidency.  He'll be neutered, but at least we'll hold the office.

I envision a Paul Ryan type, or Paul Ryan himself, selected as VP ... and after muted and sparse gnashing of teeth, the Senate, including the majority of Democrats, will confirm the nominee. It will be hailed as the first act of reconciliation after the disaster of Donald Trump.  And this reconciliation will be the hallmark of all legislation.

The nightmare and the turmoil will be over and a sense of normalcy will be returned.  Hell, even here friendship and civility will return.  Enough with the fight.  It's too exhausting.

Whoa ... gird your loins, baby.  We have just begun to fight.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....  you owe me a new monitor!   ....LOLOLOLOL @Smokin Joe

The possibility of me having a stroke makes you laugh @mrpotatohead ?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on May 17, 2017, 10:07:51 PM
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

That's really the $64,000 question. But as @Right_in_Virginia informs us, conservatism is unelectable. Taking that nugget of wisdom to its logical conclusion, we should just go ahead and come to terms with the fact that our noble experiment in representative self-governance is circling the drain in ever tightening spirals. I'll be bitter and jaded, but I'll at least go out singing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sWTnsemkIs) 

:soangry:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mrpotatohead on May 17, 2017, 10:08:18 PM
The possibility of me having a stroke makes you laugh @mrpotatohead ?
Not at all....   His sarcasm has me laughing.  Obviously it was a joke.  Lighten up........
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
You've given up far too easy. The sense of normalcy you speak of is the fall of this country under a mountain of unfunded liabilities 200+ trillion dollars, larger growth of centralized government further removing decisions from the states to the Feds, full invasion of illegals with the amnesty party, larger influence pushed by lobbiests to the GOP and their money masters, continued erosions of our freedoms from socialist liberals with no fight from spineless feckless repukelicans and ultimately a totalitarian state led by marxists.

Sorry but Trump is barely 3 months in and we want to concede? How about fighting against the very people who are at the center of this? Our spineless GOPe.

Yes!! and Yes.  I'm certainly not ready to concede to the libs and the media.  They have done nothing but create chaos.  We are believing a guy most of us didn't trust even before he was fired.

Comey went from Goat to Hero in 24 hours by the liberals.

Thank goodness that Trump is the man he is.  For all his negative qualities, he does have total confidence in himself.  We won't see any of this namby pamby 'I'm tired' and 'I give up' from him.

Actually he's gone about his business during this fiasco, making speeches to the military and in support of the police.

Trump WILL serve his full term with or without the help of any of us or any of his supposed comrades in Congress.

Sheesh.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 10:13:51 PM
@beandog

Do you think Pence is a man without ambition?  He's a politician, after all.
I thought all the "true" conservatives wanted a man of character, not a man of political ambition.  How can you trust someone who does things just for political ambition, not because it's the right thing to do.  So what you're telling me is Pence is know better than any other politician. :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Once-Ler on May 17, 2017, 10:16:05 PM
Thank goodness that Trump is the man he is.  For all his negative qualities, he does have total confidence in himself.  We won't see any of this namby pamby 'I'm tired' and 'I give up' from him.

"Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media. No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly." - President Trump
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 10:19:45 PM
That's really the $64,000 question. But as @Right_in_Virginia informs us, conservatism is unelectable. Taking that nugget of wisdom to its logical conclusion, we should just go ahead and come to terms with the fact that our noble experiment in representative self-governance is circling the drain in ever tightening spirals. I'll be bitter and jaded, but I'll at least go out singing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sWTnsemkIs) 

:soangry:

That's not it at all.

The ONLY way the LEFT will be defeated is for Donald Trump to succeed in his economic agenda, so that millions MORE Democratic voters will cross-over as Trump's Blue Dogs.

The 'Conservative' being discussed here will NOT negotiate for SOME of what they want.   They want it all or they'll find another candidate who they believe can deliver, on that which they deem important.

They are going to have to recognize the binary choice together with the real threats facing the Constitution today, and essentially STFU, stop their whining and get behind President Donald Trump.

But they won't.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 10:21:01 PM
That's really the $64,000 question. But as @Right_in_Virginia informs us, conservatism is unelectable. Taking that nugget of wisdom to its logical conclusion, we should just go ahead and come to terms with the fact that our noble experiment in representative self-governance is circling the drain in ever tightening spirals. I'll be bitter and jaded, but I'll at least go out singing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sWTnsemkIs) 

:soangry:

Don't get angry @AllThatJazzZ ...Get smart and learn how and why politics and governing are more than preaching.

Best of luck to you!


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 10:22:31 PM
That's not it at all.

The ONLY way the LEFT will be defeated is for Donald Trump to succeed in his economic agenda, so that millions MORE Democratic voters will cross-over as Trump's Blue Dogs.

The 'Conservative' being discussed here will NOT negotiate for SOME of what they want.   They want it all or they'll find another candidate who they believe can deliver, on that which they deem important.

They are going to have to recognize the binary choice together with the real threats facing the Constitution today, and essentially STFU, stop their whining and get behind President Donald Trump.

But they won't.

 :thumbsup3:   :thumbsup3:    :thumbsup3:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 17, 2017, 10:22:48 PM
That's not it at all.

The ONLY way the LEFT will be defeated is for Donald Trump to succeed in his economic agenda, so that millions MORE Democratic voters will cross-over as Trump's Blue Dogs.

The 'Conservative' being discussed here will NOT negotiate for SOME of what they want.   They want it all or they'll find another candidate who they believe can deliver, on that which they deem important.

They are going to have to recognize the binary choice together with the real threats facing the Constitution today, and essentially STFU, stop their whining and get behind President Donald Trump.

But they won't.

This ENTIRE circus is being orchestrated to make sure that Trump gets nothing done and they are succeeding greatly at the moment.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: geronl on May 17, 2017, 10:23:19 PM
@geronl

Lol

After a meatloaf dinner.

The leftovers gave him the energy to get there before they open
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 17, 2017, 10:24:10 PM
I thought all the "true" conservatives wanted a man of character, not a man of political ambition.  How can you trust someone who does things just for political ambition, not because it's the right thing to do.  So what you're telling me is Pence is know better than any other politician. :shrug:

@beandog

Don't be silly, no one ever said they wanted a man with no ambition, and if they had, it wouldn't have made sense.  How does a person become president without wanting it and working for it?  Ambition isn't negative in itself.

Right, that's exactly what I'm telling you.  Were you under the impression he's a saint or something?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 10:25:13 PM
That's not it at all.

The ONLY way the LEFT will be defeated is for Donald Trump to succeed in his economic agenda, so that millions MORE Democratic voters will cross-over as Trump's Blue Dogs.

The 'Conservative' being discussed here will NOT negotiate for SOME of what they want.   They want it all or they'll find another candidate who they believe can deliver, on that which they deem important.

They are going to have to recognize the binary choice together with the real threats facing the Constitution today, and essentially STFU, stop their whining and get behind President Donald Trump.

But they won't.
That's because being "right" is more important to some than doing the right thing. :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 17, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
"Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media. No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly." - President Trump

@Once-Ler

What an alpha.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
That's not it at all.

The ONLY way the LEFT will be defeated is for Donald Trump to succeed in his economic agenda, so that millions MORE Democratic voters will cross-over as Trump's Blue Dogs.

The 'Conservative' being discussed here will NOT negotiate for SOME of what they want.   They want it all or they'll find another candidate who they believe can deliver, on that which they deem important.

They are going to have to recognize the binary choice together with the real threats facing the Constitution today, and essentially STFU, stop their whining and get behind President Donald Trump.

But they won't.

    And that's why that Commandment about Adultery says it's ok on Thursdays only./s
    You either have principles or you don't, rather simple @DCPatriot
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 10:27:05 PM
"Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media. No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly." - President Trump

I actually heard him say that and truer words were never spoken.

He did not follow up that statement with saying how tired he was or that he couldn't take it anymore.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 10:27:35 PM

They are going to have to recognize the binary choice together with the real threats facing the Constitution today, and essentially STFU, stop their whining and get behind President Donald Trump.

But they won't.

No, we won't.

Because we are governed by principles you people have no use for, and we're not wannabe Jihadists or Fascists that you opined earlier today should kill reporters and who tell everyone who doesn't seig-heil to shut up. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 10:27:41 PM
That's because being "right" is more important to some than doing the right thing. :shrug:

Fascinating, isn't it? 

...and when you consider what's at stake?   Then you get pissed off.     :smokin:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 10:30:49 PM
    And that's why that Commandment about Adultery says it's ok on Thursdays only./s
    You either have principles or you don't, rather simple @DCPatriot

Who cheated on you?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 17, 2017, 10:31:10 PM
Fascinating, isn't it? 

...and when you consider what's at stake?   Then you get pissed off.     :smokin:

Absolutely.  Makes you want to behead us or blow us all up, huh?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 10:32:18 PM
@beandog

Don't be silly, no one ever said they wanted a man with no ambition, and if they had, it wouldn't have made sense.  How does a person become president without wanting it and working for it?  Ambition isn't negative in itself.

Right, that's exactly what I'm telling you.  Were you under the impression he's a saint or something?
Sorry, but being ambitious is not the same thing as putting aside your morals and character to support a man that you do not admire.  Either Pence did admire and support the Donald, in which case according to some that would make him a man of low character, or he did it just to advance himself politically, which would make him a man of low charcter in my opinion.  I sure wasn't under the impression that he wasn't a saint, just a man of high moral character.  Either he is or he isn't. :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 10:32:29 PM
That's because being "right" is more important to some than doing the right thing. :shrug:

That is always what those without any governing principles charge those of us who are governed by principles.

What you define as 'right' and what principles dictate is 'right' are mutually exclusive when it comes to Trump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 10:32:56 PM
No, we won't.

Because we are governed by principles you people have no use for, and we're not wannabe Jihadists or Fascists that you opined earlier today should kill reporters and who tell everyone who doesn't seig-heil to shut up.

You are just too good to be true.  And thanks for not calling your fellow posters 'wannabe Jihadists or Facists' while claiming that Trump supporters are mean.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 10:33:52 PM
Who cheated on you?

   Your buddy @Frank Cannon
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
No, we won't.

Because we are governed by principles you people have no use for, and we're not wannabe Jihadists or Fascists that you opined earlier today should kill reporters and who tell everyone who doesn't seig-heil to shut up.

That isn't what I said at all, fumb duck!    *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 10:34:36 PM
I actually heard him say that and truer words were never spoken.

He did not follow up that statement with saying how tired he was or that he couldn't take it anymore.

In the same speech (which I posted ... somewhere) the President also said "the more righteous your goal, the more opposition you will face, but don't ever, ever, ever give up!"   

I haven't heard this clip on the news.   :pondering:

@Emjay
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 10:34:58 PM
Fascinating, isn't it? 

...and when you consider what's at stake?   Then you get pissed off.     :smokin:
When I get pissed off I just go outside and dig torpedo grass out of my lawn.  I seem to be doing that a lot lately.  If you get really pissed off, you can come and help me.  It does help. :silly:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 10:37:30 PM
That is always what those without any governing principles charge those of us who are governed by principles.

What you define as 'right' and what principles dictate is 'right' are mutually exclusive when it comes to Trump.
Just keep telling yourself that.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 17, 2017, 10:38:44 PM
   Your buddy @Frank Cannon

I'm everybody's buddy you dumb bleep and don't you forget it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 10:39:00 PM
Sorry, but being ambitious is not the same thing as putting aside your morals and character to support a man that you do not admire.  Either Pence did admire and support the Donald, in which case according to some that would make him a man of low character, or he did it just to advance himself politically, which would make him a man of low charcter in my opinion.  I sure wasn't under the impression that he wasn't a saint, just a man of high moral character.  Either he is or he isn't. :shrug:

   When Gov. Pence vetoed the Religious Freedom Bill his Legislature passed after saying he would sign it, interrupted by the VP selection committee, His loving Trump was not a surprise, typical politician, Tea Party died a long time ago, let it go.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 10:39:05 PM
You are just too good to be true.  And thanks for not calling your fellow posters 'wannabe Jihadists or Facists' while claiming that Trump supporters are mean.

I guess you missed the quote from earlier today then:

Quote
Quote from: DCPatriot on Today at 08:54:12 AM
It's past time to emulate the Islamic Jihadists....

Suggesting violence be done to reporters. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 10:40:06 PM
That isn't what I said at all, fumb duck!    *****rollingeyes*****

The internet is forever bub:

Quote
Quote from: DCPatriot on Today at 08:54:12 AM
It's past time to emulate the Islamic Jihadists....
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 10:42:41 PM
    And that's why that Commandment about Adultery says it's ok on Thursdays only./s
    You either have principles or you don't, rather simple @DCPatriot

Love baseball analogies, @corbe


Ty Cobb was hated.  A mean drunk, a womanizer...to the point, nobody's wife or girlfriend, sister or mother was safe to be alone with him.

Many hometown fans and even people in the organization had 'principles' and wanted him traded.

The rest is history.  http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/20249/ty-cobb (http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/20249/ty-cobb)   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 10:44:31 PM
In the same speech (which I posted ... somewhere) the President also said "the more righteous your goal, the more opposition you will face, but don't ever, ever, ever give up!"   

I haven't heard this clip on the news.   :pondering:

@Emjay

You won't... but I heard it because I actually watched part of his speech on Fox News.

And I hate to watch speeches but this one actually wasn't bad and his remark about the press was spot on and I see no reason to criticize him for making it.

I would have gone the sarcastic route ... something like "I want to thank the press for their fairness in handling the current gossip."  But Trump doesn't do sarcasm.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 17, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
   When Gov. Pence vetoed the Religious Freedom Bill his Legislature passed after saying he would sign it, interrupted by the VP selection committee, His loving Trump was not a surprise, typical politician, Tea Party died a long time ago, let it go.
Then why do so many posters around here seem eager to make him the next President.  You either get Trump or the man who supported Trump.    There are know other choices. :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 10:49:26 PM
The internet is forever bub:

Yeah....how about that?

Only difference is, that I don't give a sh*t.

I've got principles too!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 10:51:04 PM
Love baseball analogies, @corbe


Ty Cobb was hated.  A mean drunk, a womanizer...to the point, nobody's wife or girlfriend, sister or mother was safe to be alone with him.

Many hometown fans and even people in the organization had 'principles' and wanted him traded.

The rest is history.  http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/20249/ty-cobb (http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/20249/ty-cobb)   

Go, Rangers.

But, yes, one thing the Trump haters have in common is that they reek of self-righteousness to the point that I had to bring my gardenia in beside my computer.

THEY are the good ones ... the ones too smart and too principled to fall for a person with as many faults as Trump has. 

But, don't worry, they will be here keeping the faith (as they call it)  until they succeed in poisoning the well and we have good ole liberals back in control.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 10:51:32 PM
Then why do so many posters around here seem eager to make him the next President.  You either get Trump or the man who supported Trump.    There are know other choices. :shrug:

   Finally @beandog someone explains the BINARY Theory CORRECTLY to me.
   I say we dance with the one who brung us - Trump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 10:52:47 PM
Go, Rangers.

But, yes, one thing the Trump haters have in common is that they reek of self-righteousness to the point that I had to bring my gardenia in beside my computer.

THEY are the good ones ... the ones too smart and too principled to fall for a person with as many faults as Trump has. 

But, don't worry, they will be here keeping the faith (as they call it)  until they succeed in poisoning the well and we have good ole liberals back in control.

And to think some of them were the dearest of friends.     **nononono*
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 10:55:56 PM
That's because being "right" is more important to some than doing the right thing. :shrug:
So, pray tell, how do you do "the right thing" if it is wrong?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 10:57:41 PM
But, don't worry, they will be here keeping the faith (as they call it)  until they succeed in poisoning the well and we have good ole liberals back in control.

This is hilarious! The guy you voted for as Prez - was a lifelong NYC LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.  YOU already put good ole liberals back in control!  Congrats!

We have nothing to do with it.  You guys are on your own.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 10:58:16 PM
So, pray tell, how do you do "the right thing" if it is wrong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 11:03:35 PM
Yeah....how about that?

Only difference is, that I don't give a sh*t.

I've got principles too!

Yeah, lying being one of them apparently given your Pig Latin Profanity denial of what you posted.

So now after I have provided the quote of yours that I was citing - you tell us that you don't care.

I definitely do not share your principles.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
   Finally @beandog someone explains the BINARY Theory CORRECTLY to me.
   I say we dance with the one who brung us - Trump.

Corbe !!!!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 11:04:18 PM
   With all due respect @DCPatriot  I do get your analogy about Ty Cobb (I think) and how it relates to Principles and whether you are a winner or not based on the financial reward you return to your organization.

   I have a very short Sports season-1 Month (if I'm lucky) NBA Playoffs, left MLB in the 94 Strike and the NFL when Bud Adams took my beloved Oilers to Tennessee.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 11:04:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY
So the only answer you have is a slap in the face? About what I'd expect for jihadi guy.
It appears you don't have an answer. Thanks for playing.

How do you do "the right thing" if it is wrong?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 11:06:05 PM
And to think some of them were the dearest of friends.     **nononono*

Yep !!  I lost one who really loved me ... she's on this forum ... now she hates me.

I could to thee a tale unfold, whose lightest word,
Would harrow up they soul,
Freeze thy young blood.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 17, 2017, 11:07:46 PM
Go, Rangers.

But, yes, one thing the Trump haters have in common is that they reek of self-righteousness to the point that I had to bring my gardenia in beside my computer.

THEY are the good ones ... the ones too smart and too principled to fall for a person with as many faults as Trump has. 

But, don't worry, they will be here keeping the faith (as they call it)  until they succeed in poisoning the well and we have good ole liberals back in control.

The best and most correct post I've read here in 6 months. Truly nailed it...especially their belief that only they are "principled". Its an arrogance that results in blindness, and its a big part of why those of us who believe in libertarian and conservative ideals are losing this nation to the Left.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 17, 2017, 11:08:04 PM
You are just too good to be true.  And thanks for not calling your fellow posters 'wannabe Jihadists or Facists' while claiming that Trump supporters are mean.

That is seriously what DC said today.  He said we should be like jihadists.

Now THAT is mean.


I generally don't believe in banning posters here, but that level of threat of violence came mighty close to deserving permanent citizenship elsewhere for a guy claiming to be a "patriot."

And it wasn't INVAR who said it, my friend.....

@Emjay
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 17, 2017, 11:09:25 PM
Yep !!  I lost one who really loved me ... she's on this forum ... now she hates me.

What are you talking about. I don't hate you. I just find you mildly offensive.

Now stop talking behind my back. I'm always watching.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 17, 2017, 11:09:29 PM
   With all due respect @DCPatriot  I do get your analogy about Ty Cobb (I think) and how it relates to Principles and whether you are a winner or not based on the financial reward you return to your organization.

   I have a very short Sports season-1 Month (if I'm lucky) NBA Playoffs, left MLB in the 94 Strike and the NFL when Bud Adams took my beloved Oilers to Tennessee.

Two meteors flying toward each other.  Go CAVS!!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 17, 2017, 11:12:07 PM
This is hilarious! The guy you voted for as Prez - was a lifelong NYC LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.  YOU already put good ole liberals back in control!  Congrats!

We have nothing to do with it.  You guys are on your own.

I am amused when people who support a NY Democrat accuse the rest of us of wanting to put liberals in control

Kinda surreal, ain't it?? :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 17, 2017, 11:13:46 PM
That is seriously what DC said today.  He said we should be like jihadists.

Now THAT is mean.


I generally don't believe in banning posters here, but that level of threat of violence came mighty close to deserving permanent citizenship elsewhere for a guy claiming to be a "patriot."

And it wasn't INVAR who said it, my friend.....

Really. Are we all liberals now, that we can't understand and see hyperbole when its in use. The rational presumption is that "be like jihadists" means to be committed to a cause and single minded....not cutting off heads and blowing things up. Everyone here knows this was the meaning, why pretend it meant something horrific when it clearly did not? Perhaps it was over the top, but that's about the worst thing you could say about it. If we're going to ban people for overly harsh hyperbole, than we've gone down the liberal rat hole with little hope of return.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 11:15:54 PM
The best and most correct post I've read here in 6 months. Truly nailed it...especially their belief that only they are "principled". Its an arrogance that results in blindness, and its a big part of why those of us who believe in libertarian and conservative ideals are losing this nation to the Left.

Thank you, as Elvis would say,  thank you very much.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 11:16:04 PM
   I empathize with the disparity in Trumpville right now, after all I learned the hard way being a Cruz Supporter.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-12x0ZduTeew/TjL2LNV5RoI/AAAAAAAAAWg/4hALSSP0fYU/s1600/bad_day_85525863_oqKUvZmU_c.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 11:17:09 PM
So the only answer you have is a slap in the face? About what I'd expect for jihadi guy.
It appears you don't have an answer. Thanks for playing.

Okay...I'll play this one time.   But please try to keep up.

I don't give a fiddler's ###k about your highbrow principles....noble as they may be.



On one side, a 'flawed' big C  Conservative, who has governed...in terms of signed EOs, bills put forth and oh yeah....Justice Neil Gorsuch on the SCOTUS....all in about 4 months, Conservatively.

The DEADLY mortal enemy....the ONLY OTHER CHOICE, is Hillary Clinton, who would destroy/repeal the 2nd Amendment, cement Single Payer into our lives...and continue to exterminate the White majority...all the while continuing to weaken our defenses and our Middle Class.

Now run along now, and get with the program.      :whistle:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 11:17:35 PM
What are you talking about. I don't hate you. I just find you mildly offensive.

Now stop talking behind my back. I'm always watching.

In spite of that picture I know you are a dude and I don't think you find me mildly offensive.

Very offensive, maybe.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 17, 2017, 11:18:42 PM
I am amused when people who support a NY Democrat accuse the rest of us of wanting to put liberals in control

Kinda surreal, ain't it?? :shrug:

Except he's not a NY Dem, he's a Republican president of the United States. Ronald Reagan was a California Dem, and he too became a Republican president. As your premise is entirely wrong, its not surprising you're amused by assertions drawn from a correct premise.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 11:19:11 PM
Really. Are we all liberals now, that we can't understand and see hyperbole when its in use. The rational presumption is that "be like jihadists" means to be committed to a cause and single minded....not cutting off heads and blowing things up. Everyone here knows this was the meaning, why pretend it meant something horrific when it clearly did not? Perhaps it was over the top, but that's about the worst thing you could say about it. If we're going to ban people for overly harsh hyperbole, than we've gone down the liberal rat hole with little hope of return.
Look all this babble about hyperbole is very nice. I feel like I'm back in junior high English class. But we all know the single minded purpose of jihadists is to get you to convert or kill you. We know the methods they are more than willing to employ. So don't sugar coat it. I asked how you "do the right thing" when it is wrong, and my answer was a video of a guy getting slapped in the face. Same poster, more violence, no logic. Sounds a mite jihadi to me.

Sorry, but we aren't the ones who need to get a fricking grip.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 17, 2017, 11:23:47 PM

Now run along now, and get with the program.      :whistle:

And if we refuse?

Do we get the Jihadi treatment you advocated earlier today?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 17, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
Except he's not a NY Dem, he's a Republican president of the United States. Ronald Reagan was a California Dem, and he too became a Republican president. As your premise is entirely wrong, its not surprising you're amused by assertions drawn from a correct premise.

@Mesaclone Do you really want to go there

   Reagan "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, they left me"
   Trump  "Bill convinced me I could BS my way through the REP Primary"
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 17, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
   With all due respect @DCPatriot  I do get your analogy about Ty Cobb (I think) and how it relates to Principles and whether you are a winner or not based on the financial reward you return to your organization.

   I have a very short Sports season-1 Month (if I'm lucky) NBA Playoffs, left MLB in the 94 Strike and the NFL when Bud Adams took my beloved Oilers to Tennessee.

That's not it at all.

They put with all of Ty Cobb's bullshit and bad publicity because the GOAL was to win a Pennant and maybe a World Series.

Nobody goes up in that batter's box with you.   And it's the most difficult task in all of professional sports.

You could use the analogy in foxhole terms, too.  I'll take a Tuco and Mortimer all day long over the Padre treating the wounded.

And again, we're taking about MY country.   My children's and grandchildren's country.   

Sheesh!   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 17, 2017, 11:33:54 PM
@Mesaclone Do you really want to go there

   Reagan "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, they left me"
   Trump  "Bill convinced me I could BS my way through the REP Primary"

I'm glad to go there...because I've not asserted that the two men are identical. The analogy simply clarifies that having been a Dem does not forever preclude awakening to better policy ideas. The president's policies have been conservative, consistently, and his legislative initiatives have all sought to turn back the Obama tide of radical socialism. So the man is what he does...or at least...what he is explicitly efforting to do. Claiming he's an NY Lib is as vacuous as declaring Reagan a California Lib.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 11:38:09 PM
I'm glad to go there...because I've not asserted that the two men are identical. The analogy simply clarifies that having been a Dem does not forever preclude awakening to better policy ideas. The president's policies have been conservative, consistently, and his legislative initiatives have all sought to turn back the Obama tide of radical socialism. So the man is what he does...or at least...what he is explicitly efforting to do. Claiming he's an NY Lib is as vacuous as declaring Reagan a California Lib.
Except for that global warming thingy http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,262569.msg1319234.html#msg1319234 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,262569.msg1319234.html#msg1319234)
oops.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 11:38:35 PM
Yep !!  I lost one who really loved me ... she's on this forum ... now she hates me.

I could to thee a tale unfold, whose lightest word,
Would harrow up they soul,
Freeze thy young blood.
Oh you poor, poor baby.  8888crybaby

Sheesh.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 17, 2017, 11:39:19 PM
Why would any rational human (including Republican) do this @Hoodat ?   The "conservatism" represented by the majority of voices here is, for a myriad of reasons, simply unelectable.   :shrug:

@Right_in_Virginia

At least you are up front about opposing Conservatives.  Reminds me of Bill Bolling.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 17, 2017, 11:52:17 PM
Oh you poor, poor baby.  8888crybaby

Sheesh.

I don't want or need any pity from you. I only posted that to illustrate how One Way some people are.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 17, 2017, 11:54:04 PM
I'm glad to go there...because I've not asserted that the two men are identical. The analogy simply clarifies that having been a Dem does not forever preclude awakening to better policy ideas. The president's policies have been conservative, consistently, and his legislative initiatives have all sought to turn back the Obama tide of radical socialism. So the man is what he does...or at least...what he is explicitly efforting to do. Claiming he's an NY Lib is as vacuous as declaring Reagan a California Lib.

His policies have not been consistently conservative. The federal government has no constitutional authority to be mandating our health insurance from above. This is no small thing. This is the federal government further inserting itself into our lives and creating another very expensive entitlement program. This is the antithesis of conservative action. And this is just one example out of many.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 11:55:24 PM
@Right_in_Virginia

At least you are up front about opposing Conservatives.  Reminds me of Bill Bolling.

Who said I opposed conservatives @Hoodat ... I want names!!

But the truth is until conservatives learn that politics and governing require more than a knowledge of preaching and a propensity for judging, conservatives will be stuck a minority within a minority.  People just don't like either.

Rather than taking this personally ... think about it.  It's really good advice.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 12:00:36 AM
In spite of that picture I know you are a dude and I don't think you find me mildly offensive.

Very offensive, maybe.

Well if you were not talking about me tell me who it was so I can go beat them up.

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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 12:06:49 AM
I don't want or need any pity from you. I only posted that to illustrate how One Way some people are.
Sorry you wasted your time with that redundancy. Have a nice day. :laugh:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 12:09:40 AM
Who said I opposed conservatives @Hoodat ... I want names!!

But the truth is until conservatives learn that politics and governing require more than a knowledge of preaching and a propensity for judging, conservatives will be stuck a minority within a minority.  People just don't like either.

Rather than taking this personally ... think about it.  It's really good advice.
You see, that's the problem. We just aren't, and y'all are telling us to argue for the best price. Some things aren't for sale.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 03:08:12 AM

But the truth is until conservatives learn that politics and governing require more than a knowledge of preaching and a propensity for judging, conservatives will be stuck a minority within a minority.  People just don't like either.

Rather than taking this personally ... think about it.  It's really good advice.

It would be if we really really wanted to 'fit in', and 'go with the flow', and follow the lemmings.
But that's not what Conservatism is about.
If you were one, you'd know that.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 18, 2017, 07:01:17 AM
It would be if we really really wanted to 'fit in', and 'go with the flow', and follow the lemmings.
But that's not what Conservatism is about.
If you were one, you'd know that.

I am one and I do know @roamer_1   I'm simply giving my 2 cents on how to win elections and govern.  But, hey, if that isn't what conservatism is about or wants, then the strategy is working.   :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 07:36:28 AM
It would be if we really really wanted to 'fit in', and 'go with the flow', and follow the lemmings.
But that's not what Conservatism is about.
If you were one, you'd know that.
The folks who are the soi disant variety who keep trying to remake it in their image, just like some other things are the problem. If they only had the honesty to drop the self-applied label they'd do less damage. Instead they claim the title and fight us every inch of the way, from the left side, of course.
Like that fellow in the desert (MATT:4), they promise much.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 18, 2017, 08:04:57 AM
I am one and I do know @roamer_1   I'm simply giving my 2 cents on how to win elections and govern.  But, hey, if that isn't what conservatism is about or wants, then the strategy is working.   :shrug:

Too many "conservatives" are useless because they reside in Cloudcuckooland, not the real world.   Pragmatism is what gets legislation passed and change effected.   Of course,  those who champion the art of the possible are derided as "unprincipled" by those who fancy themselves as morally superior.   

Let them bask in their phony moral superiority.   They're a hell of a lot happier when the Dems are in power anyway.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 08:10:20 AM
Too many "conservatives" are useless because they reside in Cloudcuckooland, not the real world.   Pragmatism is what gets legislation passed and change effected.   Of course,  those who champion the art of the possible are derided as "unprincipled" by those who fancy themselves as morally superior.   

Let them bask in their phony moral superiority.   They're a hell of a lot happier when the Dems are in power anyway.  

Amen, brother! 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 09:15:07 AM
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 09:33:18 AM
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 18, 2017, 09:35:17 AM
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 09:40:48 AM
Nonsense.  This has nothing to do with one's soul.   Politics is the art of the possible.   If you think adherence to rigid ideological purity is necessary to preserve your soul, then you're nuttier than a fruitcake.

Art of the Possible? :silly:

Wow that statement perfectly frames the Orange Mindset.    Principles be damned and then....   oh fudge..... the idol is a Trojan horse.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 18, 2017, 09:45:50 AM
Art of the Possible? :silly:

Wow that statement perfectly frames the Orange Mindset.    Principles be damned and then....   oh fudge..... the idol is a Trojan horse.

Stay in your basement.  Exposure to sunlight's bad for ya.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 09:48:10 AM
Stay in your basement.  Exposure to sunlight's bad for ya.

And thinking or trying to sound intelligent is bad for you.  Stay in your echo chamber for everyone's safety.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 09:49:16 AM
But the truth is until conservatives learn that politics and governing require more than a knowledge of preaching and a propensity for judging, conservatives will be stuck a minority within a minority.  People just don't like either.

Rather than taking this personally ... think about it.  It's really good advice.

So your advice is to abandon Conservatism for political expediency.  Got it.

In other words, you oppose Conservatism.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 10:02:21 AM

Quote
Let them bask in their phony moral superiority.   They're a hell of a lot happier when the Dems are in power anyway.   

Amen, brother!

That's just it.  The Democrats effectively are in power, because Conservatism has been abandoned by the very people campaigning on its coattails.  The Dems get to keep Obamacare.  The Dems get to keep exorbitant tax rates.  The Dems get to keep baseline budgeting.  The Dems get to keep annual trillion dollar expansions of the money supply through the printing-of-the-money by the Fed.  And the Dems get to keep control of the narrative.  All because Conservatives were told to get in the back of the bus by people who care more about holding on to political power just like Democrats than they care about actually rolling back the power of Government.

To hell with you all you Democrat-wannabees.  Unless we begin cutting back the encroachment of government in our lives - unless we get the federal government the hell out of health care insurance - unless we bring federal spending below 19% of GDP - unless we implement a flat tax where everyone who holds a job becomes accountable, then we as a nation will cease to exist.  And after 17 months of campaigning, two months of preparation, and four months in office, it is clear that not one of you Trump sycophants gives a damn about any of these things.  All you care about is having power.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 10:02:24 AM
Too many "conservatives" are useless because they reside in Cloudcuckooland, not the real world.   Pragmatism is what gets legislation passed and change effected.   Of course,  those who champion the art of the possible are derided as "unprincipled" by those who fancy themselves as morally superior.   

Let them bask in their phony moral superiority.   They're a hell of a lot happier when the Dems are in power anyway.   
Well, when the Dems are in power, the Republicans aren't so damned obsessed with fighting Conservatives.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: hchutch on May 18, 2017, 10:03:06 AM
Why would any rational human (including Republican) do this @Hoodat ?   The "conservatism" represented by the majority of voices here is, for a myriad of reasons, simply unelectable.   :shrug:

A big part of this is the fact that the Left has the edge in the media, they have academia, and they also have pop culture via domination of Hollywood. Not to mention most of the "civil servants" in government at all levels are left-of-center. The civil servants can always wait out the elected politicians. The media and pop culture will shape how many see things.

Last night's SVU was watched by millions - and more will watch via Hulu/On Demand, etc. It painted Christian conservatives as homophobes who approve of "raping the gay away." Next week's season finale is a two-hour anti-Trump fest over illegal immigration.

This is the reality. A lot of what we will do will have to be marginal gains until we can get a beachhead in the media, academia, and pop culture. That is a generational task - and the Left is already moving in a more totalitarian direction. Remember Ann Revel wanting to regulate conservative media? Did you see that article in the New England Journal of Medicine that all but calls for doctors to swear fealty to Planned Parenthood?

The Left has been playing for keeps since Citizens United. The Right hasn't caught up to this paradigm shift yet. The only people who have are Trump, Bannon, and a few others - and half the Right seems to be willing to ditch them.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: hchutch on May 18, 2017, 10:08:11 AM
So your advice is to abandon Conservatism for political expediency.  Got it.

In other words, you oppose Conservatism.

My top choices for 2016 were Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, and Marco Rubio. Trump was pretty far down my list, but higher than Cruz, who was pretty much a Cuban-American Barry Goldwater.

I support conservatism, but am tired of the tactical and strategic incompetence of its leaders over the past decade-plus.

Do you really believe that conservatism would have survived the army of Lois Lerners and a Merrick Garland Supreme Court that Hillary Clinton would have wrought?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mesaclone on May 18, 2017, 10:09:14 AM
So your advice is to abandon Conservatism for political expediency.  Got it.

In other words, you oppose Conservatism.

No. His advice is to get the most conservative legislation possible enacted into law while appointing conservative justices and Department heads. The advice is NOT to hide in your basement with a shotgun and 6 months supply of dehydrated food while the Far Left assumes control of the House, Senate, Presidency and Judiciary. Reagan had principles, but he also had a brain and knew when he had to compromise and take 80% conservative solutions over nothing.

Here's a secret....we Trump supporters are every bit as committed to conservative principles as you NT'rs, but we are smart enough....like Reagan...to understand we don't get to just dictate 100% of what we want into law. Our government is a Republic, not a theocratic dictatorship...so those who lack the intellect and nobility to compromise when necessary simply become irrelevant...or worse...they become useful idiots who unwittingly facilitate the Far Left.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 18, 2017, 10:10:48 AM
Trump was pretty far down my list, but higher than Cruz, who was pretty much a Cuban-American Barry Goldwater.


LOL

Robinson can't get that rustbucket site taped back together fast enough.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 10:13:07 AM
My top choices for 2016 were Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, and Marco Rubio. Trump was pretty far down my list, but higher than Cruz, who was pretty much a Cuban-American Barry Goldwater.

I support conservatism

You support conservatism, But the most conservative candidate of the entire list was Cruz, and he was the bottom of choices?. Hmmmmm.....
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 10:16:19 AM
A big part of this is the fact that the Left has the edge in the media, they have academia, and they also have pop culture via domination of Hollywood. Not to mention most of the "civil servants" in government at all levels are left-of-center. The civil servants can always wait out the elected politicians. The media and pop culture will shape how many see things.

Not nearly as big of a part as Republicans rejecting Conservatism as soon as they get elected.  Liberals have always had academia.  And Republicans vote year after year in favor of taxpayer subsidies for that same academia.

And the press?  It has been that way since Walter Cronkite.  It didn't stop Reagan from cutting the top tax rate from 70% to 28%.  He didn't whine about how the media was against him.  He just got it done.  Too bad Trump isn't a Conservative.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 10:16:51 AM

LOL

Robinson can't get that rustbucket site taped back together fast enough.

Funny how some our Trumpet hoard calls us haters for our comments, and  not bowing down to the orange idol.  Still the TOS brings their Cruz hate in periodic fashion.  They are really becoming an amusing lot.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 18, 2017, 10:18:47 AM

LOL

Robinson can't get that rustbucket site taped back together fast enough.

LOL I was thinking the same thing.

Help is on the way!

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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 10:19:05 AM
No. His advice is to get the most conservative legislation possible enacted into law

When can we expect that to begin?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
My top choices for 2016 were Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, and Marco Rubio. Trump was pretty far down my list, but higher than Cruz, who was pretty much a Cuban-American Barry Goldwater.

I support conservatism, but am tired of the tactical and strategic incompetence of its leaders over the past decade-plus.

Do you really believe that conservatism would have survived the army of Lois Lerners and a Merrick Garland Supreme Court that Hillary Clinton would have wrought?
Oh well, the more things change the more they remain the same. I liked Goldwater over Johnson, too. I haven't changed, but for all y'all's soul-selling finesse, You have only lost a lot of ground.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cripplecreek on May 18, 2017, 10:25:50 AM
Funny how some our Trumpet hoard calls us haters for our comments, and  not bowing down to the orange idol.  Still the TOS brings their Cruz hate in periodic fashion.  They are really becoming an amusing lot.

I think its probably pretty disheartening for them. Over at Soviet Republic they can convince themselves that they're a vast majority and no one really opposes Trump. Over here they're forced to face reality and it probably scares the hell out of them.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 18, 2017, 10:26:23 AM
Nonsense.  This has nothing to do with one's soul.   Politics is the art of the possible.   If you think adherence to rigid ideological purity is necessary to preserve your soul, then you're nuttier than a fruitcake.
Your lack of true wisdom is extruding.

The pedestal you seat yourself upon has a truly precarious tilt to it.

Humility in the face of God and others is where it all begins.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: hchutch on May 18, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
You support conservatism, But the most conservative candidate of the entire list was Cruz, and he was the bottom of choices?. Hmmmmm.....

Cruz lost me with his tactical and strategic incompetence in the 2013 Obamacare shutdown fight.

It was a fight at the wrong time, on the wrong issue, and with insufficient resources.

How many times did Harry Reid circular-file legislation when Democrats had the Senate majority? Did anyone seriously think he was going to allow a vote to defund Obamacare?

You can talk your principles all you want, but Cruz would have lost in a landslide with his proven tactical and strategic incompetence. The wages of that would have been an army of Lois Lerners suppressing conservative speech while a Merrick Garland Supreme Court invented "constitutional rights" for every left-wing agenda item under the sun. The wages Barry Goldwater's tactical and strategic incompetence was mere bankruptcy from an entitlement state that LBJ had the popular mandate for.

Sorry if I wasn't eager to join your quest to commit suicide.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 18, 2017, 10:32:51 AM
Cruz lost me with his tactical and strategic incompetence in the 2013 Obamacare shutdown fight.

It was a fight at the wrong time, on the wrong issue, and with insufficient resources.

How many times did Harry Reid circular-file legislation when Democrats had the Senate majority? Did anyone seriously think he was going to allow a vote to defund Obamacare?

You can talk your principles all you want, but Cruz would have lost in a landslide with his proven tactical and strategic incompetence. The wages of that would have been an army of Lois Lerners suppressing conservative speech while a Merrick Garland Supreme Court invented "constitutional rights" for every left-wing agenda item under the sun. The wages Barry Goldwater's tactical and strategic incompetence was mere bankruptcy from an entitlement state that LBJ had the popular mandate for.

Sorry if I wasn't eager to join your quest to commit suicide.

Yes Cruz's 'tactical and strategic incompetence' really cost the GOP in the 2014 midterms.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 10:36:48 AM
with his proven tactical and strategic incompetence.

And your POTUS Trump has excelled so well in that area. :silly:

That slow gurgling sound is your credibility circling the drain.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 10:40:44 AM
Your lack of true wisdom is extruding.

The pedestal you seat yourself upon has a truly precarious tilt to it.

Humility in the face of God and others is where it all begins.

Not to mention his TOTAL lack of understanding for U.S. History! 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: hchutch on May 18, 2017, 10:42:03 AM
And your POTUS Trump has excelled so well in that area. :silly:

That slow gurgling sound is your credibility circling the drain.

Let's see... 304 electoral votes in the last Presidential election, despite NeverTrumpers on the right and the media...

Based on those results, I'll take Trump. Voter registration data in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are still showing net gains for Republicans.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 18, 2017, 10:42:41 AM
Let's see... 304 electoral votes in the last Presidential election, despite NeverTrumpers on the right and the media...

Based on those results, I'll take Trump. Voter registration data in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are still showing net gains for Republicans.

GOPers vastly outperformed Rump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 10:44:14 AM
Soul and principles are a concept that's beyond the understanding of the orange crowd.

Hope they are getting more than  30 pieces of silver (check about 10 chapters down).

Here lies @catfish1957 , whose children and grandchildren's freedoms were taken by the American Left.   

But the SOB had 'principles'.

 :whistle:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 10:53:38 AM
Your lack of true wisdom is extruding.

The pedestal you seat yourself upon has a truly precarious tilt to it.

Humility in the face of God and others is where it all begins.

Careful...he'll end up calling you an intolerant religious bigot like he has others here.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 10:54:49 AM
Here lies @catfish1957 , whose children and grandchildren's freedoms were taken by the American Left.   

But the SOB had 'principles'.

 :whistle:
I'd rather be remembered here (and in the hereafter) for having principles than for being a sellout.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 10:55:36 AM
Careful...he'll end up calling you an intolerant religious bigot like he has others here.
Darn...he's on to us!  :silly:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 10:57:02 AM
Here lies @catfish1957 , whose children and grandchildren's freedoms were taken by the American Left.   

But the SOB had 'principles'.

 :whistle:

Here lies DCP who sold his soul and anyone that he cared for down the orange river on the myth of a "wall"

But hey, he believed in "MAGA" till the failed bitter end...and was tossed upon the ash heap of failed Populist regimes for his efforts.

 :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 10:57:45 AM
Let's see... 304 electoral votes in the last Presidential election, despite NeverTrumpers on the right and the media...

Based on those results, I'll take Trump. Voter registration data in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are still showing net gains for Republicans.

Don't be a hypocrite.  You knew I meant post-election in reference to  the "technical and strategic incompetence " issue.

His ruthless cut 'em off at the knees approach won the election while alienating half the country in the process.  Your lot are delusional thinking you that same M.O. will work in governing.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 11:00:45 AM
Here lies DCP who sold his soul and anyone that he cared for down the orange river on the myth of a "wall"

But hey, he believed in "MAGA" till the failed bitter end...and was tossed upon the ash heap of failed Populist regimes for his efforts.

 :shrug:

LOL!   Feel free to link my post(s) supporting Trump, on a promise to build a wall.  Any wall.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 11:02:12 AM
This is what "Conservative" #NT do one their down time. Smoke dope with Chuck Schumer.....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAHbgklUQAAtl-R.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 11:03:07 AM
Here lies @catfish1957 , whose children and grandchildren's freedoms were taken by the American Left.   

But the SOB had 'principles'.

 :whistle:

Trump is part of what you call the "American Left".  What's the difference of him stealing my freedoms or the slimy dim bastards?  They're still both stolen.

I'd rather be William Wallace on the rack, than a sniveling pseudo-conservative  orange sell-out.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 18, 2017, 11:03:20 AM
LOL I was thinking the same thing.

Help is on the way!

(http://i.imgur.com/Yatu9WI.gif)


@Cripplecreek

Lol

Praying John picks the right key...



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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
This is what "Conservative" #NT do one their down time. Smoke dope with Chuck Schumer.....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAHbgklUQAAtl-R.jpg)

Shouldn't that be left to the Trumpbots...I mean Trump does consider Schmucky a good friend...someone that he can work with.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 11:05:45 AM
This is what "Conservative" #NT do one their down time. Smoke dope with Chuck Schumer.....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAHbgklUQAAtl-R.jpg)
That's what we get for not hanging out with the 'cool kids' with the orange crack pipe... :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 18, 2017, 11:05:50 AM
Careful...he'll end up calling you an intolerant religious bigot like he has others here.
A bigot title I can take, but will not take turning my face to the one who created us.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 11:05:57 AM
I'd rather be remembered here (and in the hereafter) for having principles than for being a sellout.

Word.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 11:07:36 AM
A bigot title I can take, but will not take turning my face to the one who created us.

You and me both.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 11:08:29 AM
This is what "Conservative" #NT do one their down time. Smoke dope with Chuck Schumer.....

As opposed to funding Schumer's campaigns to help him get elected?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Polly Ticks on May 18, 2017, 11:08:45 AM

@Cripplecreek

Lol

Praying John picks the right key...

(http://i.imgur.com/DAheL.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ZnJtybZ4It4EE/giphy.gif?response_id=591db8b2577e0ef34da9ce6c)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 11:10:36 AM
That's what we get for not hanging out with the 'cool kids' with the orange crack pipe... :shrug:

Chucky channeling '60's mojo.  Far Out Man!!!!!!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 11:15:43 AM
Shouldn't that be left to the Trumpbots...I mean Trump does consider Schmucky a good friend...someone that he can work with.

You say that but there are your two heroes having a circle jerk yesterday with a corrupt POS.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 11:17:42 AM
I am one and I do know @roamer_1   I'm simply giving my 2 cents on how to win elections and govern.  But, hey, if that isn't what conservatism is about or wants, then the strategy is working.   :shrug:

@Right_in_Virginia
Aw, we all know you think you are, darlin'... That's part of your charm, bless your little heart! :bighug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 11:30:00 AM
You say that but there are your two heroes having a circle jerk yesterday with a corrupt POS.

Not my heroes.  The people I consider heroes have nothing to with the idiots currently infesting Sodom on the Potomac.

I leave the Idol worship to folks like you.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 11:45:14 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ZnJtybZ4It4EE/giphy.gif?response_id=591db8b2577e0ef34da9ce6c)
Reminds me of the old windows message:

If you are having trouble connecting to the internet, check our Online Help...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 18, 2017, 11:46:59 AM
Reminds me of the old windows message:

If you are having trouble connecting to the internet, check our Online Help...

Sort of like accusing the Russians of hacking and interfering with the outcome of the election when none of the voting machines are connected to the internet.

Oh ... did you know that Trump owned all those voting machines?  Just kidding .... but that's exactly how rumors and b.s. get started.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 11:48:22 AM
Not my heroes.  The people I consider heroes have nothing to with the idiots currently infesting Sodom on the Potomac.

I leave the Idol worship to folks like you.

Folks like me azzhole? Who exactly are folks like me you little bleep?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 18, 2017, 11:50:51 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ZnJtybZ4It4EE/giphy.gif?response_id=591db8b2577e0ef34da9ce6c)

@Polly Ticks

Lol..."Internet Logic 101".
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 18, 2017, 11:56:24 AM

LOL

Robinson can't get that rustbucket site taped back together fast enough.

Ain't THAT the truth!!  :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: MOD4 on May 18, 2017, 12:00:03 PM
Lets keep it at Defcon 3 or lower, please.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 12:00:24 PM
Amen, brother!


That's just it.  The Democrats effectively are in power, because Conservatism has been abandoned by the very people campaigning on its coattails.  The Dems get to keep Obamacare.  The Dems get to keep exorbitant tax rates.  The Dems get to keep baseline budgeting.  The Dems get to keep annual trillion dollar expansions of the money supply through the printing-of-the-money by the Fed.  And the Dems get to keep control of the narrative.  All because Conservatives were told to get in the back of the bus by people who care more about holding on to political power just like Democrats than they care about actually rolling back the power of Government.

To hell with you all you Democrat-wannabees.  Unless we begin cutting back the encroachment of government in our lives - unless we get the federal government the hell out of health care insurance - unless we bring federal spending below 19% of GDP - unless we implement a flat tax where everyone who holds a job becomes accountable, then we as a nation will cease to exist.  And after 17 months of campaigning, two months of preparation, and four months in office, it is clear that not one of you Trump sycophants gives a damn about any of these things.  All you care about is having power.

Haven't you heard?  'Pragmatism' is what wins elections and makes change.  Principles are are for those who are 'nuttier than a fruitcake'.  'Principles' are for those who want a theocratic dictatorship.

Just like their Leftist counterparts, the AlwaysTrump Pragmatists are going to ignore facts when it denigrates their political parties and messiahs, even when most of what is promised in terms of shrinking the power of the Beast is reneged by the very peoples and party they put into power.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 12:04:23 PM
Lets keep it at Defcon 3 or lower, please.
But lower numbers are a higher alert state. Jus' saying... :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 12:09:48 PM
Haven't you heard?  'Pragmatism' is what wins elections and makes change.
Oh. Like McDonalds.
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  Principles are are for those who are 'nuttier than a fruitcake'.
Better to have nuts than be nuts.
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'Principles' are for those who want a theocratic dictatorship.
What "theo"? There are a couple out there that don't match my principles.
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Just like their Leftist counterparts, the AlwaysTrump Pragmatists are going to ignore facts when it denigrates their political parties and messiahs, even when most of what is promised in terms of shrinking the power of the Beast is reneged by the very peoples and party they put into power.
Well, they have ever handled defeat badly, especially at their own hands. SSDD, really. I just wonder how all those people they didn't need (or want, even) got to be the bad guys.  :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 18, 2017, 12:11:39 PM
Reminds me of the old windows message:

If you are having trouble connecting to the internet, check our Online Help...

It's not that old.  Dumbest message ever.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 12:16:54 PM
Folks like me azzhole? Who exactly are folks like me you little bleep?

Like you really have to ask.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: anubias on May 18, 2017, 12:36:22 PM
A car ran into pedestrians on a pedestrian-only mall in NYC injuring 13. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 12:39:43 PM
I just wonder how all those people they didn't need (or want, even) got to be the bad guys.  :shrug:

You know the answer to that.  We refused to

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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
Folks like me azzhole? Who exactly are folks like me you little bleep?

Love the understated charm, Frank.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 12:42:21 PM
Cruz lost me with his tactical and strategic incompetence in the 2013 Obamacare shutdown fight.

It was a fight at the wrong time, on the wrong issue, and with insufficient resources.

How many times did Harry Reid circular-file legislation when Democrats had the Senate majority? Did anyone seriously think he was going to allow a vote to defund Obamacare?

You can talk your principles all you want, but Cruz would have lost in a landslide with his proven tactical and strategic incompetence. The wages of that would have been an army of Lois Lerners suppressing conservative speech while a Merrick Garland Supreme Court invented "constitutional rights" for every left-wing agenda item under the sun. The wages Barry Goldwater's tactical and strategic incompetence was mere bankruptcy from an entitlement state that LBJ had the popular mandate for.

Sorry if I wasn't eager to join your quest to commit suicide.

I hope God is running next time because there is no earthly being that suits 'you people.'
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 12:44:49 PM
I hope God is running next time because there is no earthly being that suits 'you people.'

Not to mention his boys premeditated effort to smear Cruz and his family.  Trumpets and their leader deserve each other.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 18, 2017, 12:48:44 PM
Not to mention his boys premeditated effort to smear Cruz and his family.  Trumpets and their leader deserve each other.

The primaries ended months ago. Who is worse those that blindly support Trump (which is bad) or those that complain about it yet still are the only ones pointing back to the primaries they never got over. Hillary supporters are doing the same thing today. Throwing fits because their horse didn't make the podium.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 18, 2017, 12:55:49 PM
The primaries ended months ago. Who is worse those that blindly support Trump (which is bad) or those that complain about it yet still are the only ones pointing back to the primaries they never got over. Hillary supporters are doing the same thing today. Throwing fits because their horse didn't make the podium.
I was a supporter Sen. Cruz and still believe he'd have been a better president than Trump but, I am happy to see that Sen. Cruz is more of an adult and patriot than some of those who supposedly supported him.  If he is able to put aside any feelings of bitterness he has towards Trump, with reason, to do what is best for the country than who am I to do differently. :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 18, 2017, 12:58:40 PM
The primaries ended months ago. Who is worse those that blindly support Trump (which is bad) or those that complain about it yet still are the only ones pointing back to the primaries they never got over.
So just because it was in the past, it's OK now, even though he never actually rectified the damage he caused?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: beandog on May 18, 2017, 01:10:41 PM
So just because it was in the past, it's OK now, even though he never actually rectified the damage he caused?
If Sen. Cruz can move on for the good of the country, so can you. :thud:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 01:16:51 PM
If Sen. Cruz can move on for the good of the country, so can you. :thud:

What does that have to do with anything?
Because Cruz, being a politician, with a far more limited scope in action, must back the Orange Twinkie in order to function, how in the hell does it follow that I must thereby support a buffoon of such caliber as I have seldom seen in my life?

I will not lend credence or support to a man of proven low character. Not because I am holier-than-thou, as some here have opined, but rather, because life has long past taught me the fallacy of doing so.

Whatever Cruz may do or not do has no bearing upon that whatsoever.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 18, 2017, 01:18:49 PM
So just because it was in the past, it's OK now, even though he never actually rectified the damage he caused?

Yeah, Kind of missed that little "apology" thing.  Has the Orange ever apologized for anything?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 01:21:44 PM
The primaries ended months ago. Who is worse those that blindly support Trump (which is bad) or those that complain about it yet still are the only ones pointing back to the primaries they never got over. Hillary supporters are doing the same thing today.

The issue was and still remains, character. 

Trump illustrated in the Primaries (indeed his entire public life), that he was not a man of moral character to entrust the Presidency to in order to further Conservative principles into governance. Trump does not really believe in those principles to begin with.  He believes in self.  Something even the Trump Faithful admit and admire.

Given what we've endured since Clinton and Obama - it has become obvious that character, honesty, integrity and foundational principles are ino longer important to the American people.  We are become as Ancient Israel was under the rule of exponentially wicked and selfish leaders that the people demanded rule them while they practiced those things that destroy a civilization.

It is become obvious that Americans want a Punisher and they want a Provider, not a statesman. Sure they pay lip service to the Constitution - until it is said to be an obstacle towards 'doing what is right' on the avenue of expedience.  I cannot count the number of times I have read from Trump's acolytes that he needs to act as dictator or circumvent Congress to do what needs to be done.  An immoral people who are the most animated will always demand immoral leaders.

Cruz would likely have suffered the same if not worse treatment from the Oligarchy in the Establishment, the Left and the Media that Trump has.  Maybe moreso.  The difference is that Cruz would not be handing them ammunition on a daily basis because he has no self control.  Nor would he be stoking the fires of conflict and war over the divisions now being made irreconcilable.  Publicly flicking the noses of your opposition while giving them the finger via thumbs on Twitter, only exacerbates the divides and engenders the war that has been brewing for decades.

But this is what happens with a man is given Authority and power whom has no core convictions or principles except whatever he can declare a 'win' which often entails humiliation off those who do not adore him, because narcissism demands it.

It is not the fact that the most Conservative candidates lost the primaries to Trump, it is the daily drumbeat we have read since, from Trump's supporters that illustrate they have as much contempt for Conservative principles that the Democrats do when those principles negate total support of their leader.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 01:23:32 PM
Yeah, Kind of missed that little "apology" thing.  Has the Orange ever apologized for anything?

YES. He did angrily apologize for the 'Grab em by the Pu**y' comment, looking like he was dragged to the mike.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 18, 2017, 01:27:24 PM
Yeah, Kind of missed that little "apology" thing.  Has the Orange ever apologized for anything?
Even if he did, would it ever be anything more than lipservice?

There's an old adage: it's easier to apologize than to get permission.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 18, 2017, 01:56:10 PM
So just because it was in the past, it's OK now, even though he never actually rectified the damage he caused?

We're supposed to pretend that he's a decent person now because he got elected.   And if we still think he's an amoral jerk, we wouldn't be satisfied with anyone but "God."

The arguments in defense of Trump, and the accusations of people who still haven't fallen for him, are pretty lame.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 18, 2017, 01:57:59 PM
YES. He did angrily apologize for the 'Grab em by the Pu**y' comment, looking like he was dragged to the mike.

My guess is that he only did that to try to fool the non-thinking "evangelical Christians" who wanted to pretend he wasn't an amoral letch who sexually assaulted women on a regular basis.

Unfortunately, it worked, and for the most part "evangelicals" no longer have any moral authority.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 02:03:46 PM
We're supposed to pretend that he's a decent person now because he got elected.   And if we still think he's an amoral jerk, we wouldn't be satisfied with anyone but "God."

The arguments in defense of Trump, and the accusations of people who still haven't fallen for him, are pretty lame.

@musiclady

Oh, more than that! We're supposed to DEFEND him, and ignore that the blatant fact of his own flawed character allows the attacks upon him, removes erstwhile opponents (and many many others) from coming to his aid, and largely is causal to his own dilemmas and eventual destruction.

We are to see him only in a orange-rosy glow, and dismiss all criticism...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 02:04:58 PM
The issue was and still remains, character. 

Trump illustrated in the Primaries (indeed his entire public life), that he was not a man of moral character to entrust the Presidency to in order to further Conservative principles into governance. Trump does not really believe in those principles to begin with.  He believes in self.  Something even the Trump Faithful admit and admire.

Given what we've endured since Clinton and Obama - it has become obvious that character, honesty, integrity and foundational principles are ino longer important to the American people.  We are become as Ancient Israel was under the rule of exponentially wicked and selfish leaders that the people demanded rule them while they practiced those things that destroy a civilization.

It is become obvious that Americans want a Punisher and they want a Provider, not a statesman. Sure they pay lip service to the Constitution - until it is said to be an obstacle towards 'doing what is right' on the avenue of expedience.  I cannot count the number of times I have read from Trump's acolytes that he needs to act as dictator or circumvent Congress to do what needs to be done.  An immoral people who are the most animated will always demand immoral leaders.

Cruz would likely have suffered the same if not worse treatment from the Oligarchy in the Establishment, the Left and the Media that Trump has.  Maybe moreso.  The difference is that Cruz would not be handing them ammunition on a daily basis because he has no self control.  Nor would he be stoking the fires of conflict and war over the divisions now being made irreconcilable.  Publicly flicking the noses of your opposition while giving them the finger via thumbs on Twitter, only exacerbates the divides and engenders the war that has been brewing for decades.

But this is what happens with a man is given Authority and power whom has no core convictions or principles except whatever he can declare a 'win' which often entails humiliation off those who do not adore him, because narcissism demands it.

It is not the fact that the most Conservative candidates lost the primaries to Trump, it is the daily drumbeat we have read since, from Trump's supporters that illustrate they have as much contempt for Conservative principles that the Democrats do when those principles negate total support of their leader.
Well said! It amazes me that after all the complaints about the ship of state being on a port tack, the solution was to jettison the rudder and berate those who wanted to come about.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 02:05:47 PM
My guess is that he only did that to try to fool the non-thinking "evangelical Christians" who wanted to pretend he wasn't an amoral letch who sexually assaulted women on a regular basis.

He did it, because his internal polls showed he was tanking bad, and that was the medicine.

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Unfortunately, it worked, and for the most part "evangelicals" no longer have any moral authority.

True.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 02:18:48 PM
The issue was and still remains, character. 



It does not remain character.  Not to You People.

You denigrate the two Bush presidents on a regular basis and they were men of exemplary character.

What remains is someone who is perfect; that is someone who does exactly what you would do in every situation.

The fact is that until very recently we did not know that much about the private lives or characters of our presidents.

You continue to mistake Trump for The Enemy because you feed on his past and cringe at his personal habits, such as tweeting. 

Very childish.  You will never have a leader who suits you.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
My guess is that he only did that to try to fool the non-thinking "evangelical Christians" who wanted to pretend he wasn't an amoral letch who sexually assaulted women on a regular basis.

Unfortunately, it worked, and for the most part "evangelicals" no longer have any moral authority.
There was the whole well-timed "Anointed of God" smear campaign that ensured another front runner would not get the Evangelical vote. Someone was made out to be the next Jim Jones.
 No, I can't wholeheartedly support anyone who won with dirty tricks. If he does right, I'll give credit for that, but otherwise, the best it gets is skeptically neutral.

It's up to the do-nothings in Congress, anyway, and they are exposing their inner natures like a flasher convention. Good to finally have 'em come out of the political closet, anyway.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 18, 2017, 02:22:18 PM
"You People?"
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 02:26:39 PM
We're supposed to pretend that he's a decent person now because he got elected.   And if we still think he's an amoral jerk, we wouldn't be satisfied with anyone but "God."

The arguments in defense of Trump, and the accusations of people who still haven't fallen for him, are pretty lame.

No, lady, we are not supposed to pretend that Trump is a decent person.  But, yes, some people will never be satisfied and Trump has given them an opportunity to vent their hate daily.

I'm really tired of having to reiterate that I am fully aware of Trump's character flaws and I don't like them any more than you do.

But I also live in the real world and in that world there are two elements fighting for control of our country.  There is the liberal element that believes in everything we fear and hate and there is the Republican side.

Yes, there are squishes on the Republican side and people who don't meet our hopes but basically they are Our Side.

I cannot be convinced that there's any benefit to continually spend our time bashing Trump.  What benefit is there??  No one can explain it to me, except enjoying proving daily that the bashers are far too good and fine to accept Trump while the scum among us does so.

Trump has done some good things; and he has tried to do more but been deterred by a congress that is a bit divided. 

No one can tell me a really Bad thing he has done AS PRESIDENT except exist.

If people get on the wrong side of this war for America, they will be very sorry when and if the other side wins.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 02:28:30 PM
It does not remain character.  Not to You People.

You denigrate the two Bush presidents on a regular basis and they were men of exemplary character.

What remains is someone who is perfect; that is someone who does exactly what you would do in every situation.

The fact is that until very recently we did not know that much about the private lives or characters of our presidents.

You continue to mistake Trump for The Enemy because you feed on his past and cringe at his personal habits, such as tweeting. 

Very childish.  You will never have a leader who suits you.
"Read my Lips"... It's all about character.
As for mistaking Trump for the enemy, no, I know what he is, and we saw that long ago. He lost my vote in Iowa, in one statement that revealed his opportunistic nature rather than the principles and gumption to do the right thing. I'm only pleasantly surprised when he gets it right, and saying Hillary would have been worse is little consolation.
It's his supporters who are often insufferable boors, insisting they are 'conservative' and that he is, and destroying another fine word.
I'm not even so disappointed that those of us who are Originalist Constitutionalists and Federalists have to find a new name for "Conservative", because we saw this coming, too.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 02:33:07 PM
"Read my Lips"... It's all about character.
As for mistaking Trump for the enemy, no, I know what he is, and we saw that long ago. He lost my vote in Iowa, in one statement that revealed his opportunistic nature rather than the principles and gumption to do the right thing. I'm only pleasantly surprised when he gets it right, and saying Hillary would have been worse is little consolation.
It's his supporters who are often insufferable boors, insisting they are 'conservative' and that he is, and destroying another fine word.
I'm not even so disappointed that those of us who are Originalist Constitutionalists and Federalists have to find a new name for "Conservative", because we saw this coming, too.

Trump is not the enemy! The enemy is the corrupt inside the beltway crowd who will do ANYTHING to preserve their precious swamp no matter what it takes!  The media will aid them all they can in their efforts!

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 02:33:28 PM
"Read my Lips"... It's all about character.
As for mistaking Trump for the enemy, no, I know what he is, and we saw that long ago. He lost my vote in Iowa, in one statement that revealed his opportunistic nature rather than the principles and gumption to do the right thing. I'm only pleasantly surprised when he gets it right, and saying Hillary would have been worse is little consolation.
It's his supporters who are often insufferable boors, insisting they are 'conservative' and that he is, and destroying another fine word.
I'm not even so disappointed that those of us who are Originalist Constitutionalists and Federalists have to find a new name for "Conservative", because we saw this coming, too.
:amen:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 02:34:10 PM
It does not remain character.  Not to You People.

You denigrate the two Bush presidents on a regular basis and they were men of exemplary character.

Show us where I have denigrated either Bush on this board.  Go on.  Show us all the quotes where I have denigrated them.

The fact is that until very recently we did not know that much about the private lives or characters of our presidents.

Your 'fact' is bullish*t.  The Founders themselves warned the people repeatedly NOT to select people of poor character or morals to be their leaders or representatives. 

You continue to mistake Trump for The Enemy because you feed on his past and cringe at his personal habits, such as tweeting. 

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth (and thumbs) speak (Tweet) according to scripture.  His past reflects his lack of character which is translating itself into how he is governing.


Very childish.  You will never have a leader who suits you.

Certainly not among a population of persons such as yourself that is for sure.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 02:34:40 PM
"Read my Lips"... It's all about character.
As for mistaking Trump for the enemy, no, I know what he is, and we saw that long ago. He lost my vote in Iowa, in one statement that revealed his opportunistic nature rather than the principles and gumption to do the right thing. I'm only pleasantly surprised when he gets it right, and saying Hillary would have been worse is little consolation.
It's his supporters who are often insufferable boors, insisting they are 'conservative' and that he is, and destroying another fine word.
I'm not even so disappointed that those of us who are Originalist Constitutionalists and Federalists have to find a new name for "Conservative", because we saw this coming, too.

While you wait for perfection and get some joy about calling people insufferable boors, the rest of us will try to work with what we have and defend against liberalism. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 02:36:17 PM
Show us where I have denigrated either Bush on this board.  Go on.  Show us all the quotes where I have denigrated them.

Certainly not among a population of persons such as yourself that is for sure.

Speaking as a person such as myself, you make no sense whatever.

I wasn't speaking of you personally about the Bushes, I was speaking of persons such as yourself.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 02:39:05 PM
Trump is not the enemy! The enemy is the corrupt inside the beltway crowd who will do ANYTHING to preserve their precious swamp no matter what it takes!  The media will aid them all they can in their efforts!

My dear Friend, according to the rabid Trump supporters, WE are the enemy if we do not fully genuflect, 'get on the Trump train' and defend/support/cheer and toss up accolades for their dear leader.  In fact, in the past two days - the word treason has been directed at those of us critical of Trump.

Trump may not be my enemy.  But his mobs of supporters have declared those of us who dare to be critical, to be the enemy.

So be it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 18, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
Trump is not the enemy! The enemy is the corrupt inside the beltway crowd who will do ANYTHING to preserve their precious swamp no matter what it takes!  The media will aid them all they can in their efforts!

 :amen:  :patriot:  :patriot:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 02:42:29 PM
Speaking as a person such as myself, you make no sense whatever.


I wasn't expecting you to grasp the concepts, but I do thank you for verifying that assumption.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 02:43:19 PM
My dear Friend, according to the rabid Trump supporters, WE are the enemy if we do not fully genuflect, 'get on the Trump train' and defend/support/cheer and toss up accolades for their dear leader.  In fact, in the past two days - the word treason has been directed at those of us critical of Trump.

Trump may not be my enemy.  But his mobs of supporters have declared those of us who dare to be critical, to be the enemy.

So be it.

And they are just as wrong as those who continue to attack Trump at this stage IMHO!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 02:43:32 PM


No one can tell me a really Bad thing he has done AS PRESIDENT except exist.
I shortened all the propaganda, there, because I am one of the "You People", which means I am not one of the other people, with which you identify. Which puts you and the squishes and the rest over on the Liberal side.
Name one bad thing? How about saying he's keeping the ethanol mandate? That qualifies in my book, because it will help wreck the small engines that drive a lot of small business, from air compressors to lawn equipment to generators to welders to outboard motors, the list goes on and on. None of those machines handle ethanol in fuel well, and past 10% even auto warranties will be void. So there is that.

But wait, there's more... While he did appoint an EPA head who decries the idea of Anthropogenic Global Warming, at the same time the Secretary of State is off signing things...
Tillerson signs international declaration recognizing climate change (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,262569.msg1319234.html#msg1319234)
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Noting the entry into force of the Paris Agreement on climate change and its implementation, and reiterating the need for global action to reduce both long-lived greenhouse gases and short-lived climate pollutants, and

Reaffirming the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals and the need for their realization by 2030...
https://www.state.gov/e/oes/rls/other/2017/270802.htm (https://www.state.gov/e/oes/rls/other/2017/270802.htm)

So there is a two-fer. Pay attention to what the other hand(s) are doing, please.
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If people get on the wrong side of this war for America, they will be very sorry when and if the other side wins.
No argument here. The question is who is on what side, and how do you determine if it is the right one?  That, m'am, is a matter of principle.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 02:49:26 PM
Trump is not the enemy! The enemy is the corrupt inside the beltway crowd who will do ANYTHING to preserve their precious swamp no matter what it takes!  The media will aid them all they can in their efforts!
No argument here!
I'm only distressed at the hubris that thought it could strike deals with the 535 in full save their asses mode.
No breach in the swamp will be enough to dump that slime into the Tidal Basin, and there aren't sufficient numbers of vac trucks in the country to draw it off fast enough.

The only good thing is that with a nominal Republican in the White House, the cadre on the Hill are breaking cover to save their phony baloney jobs, and to keep the status quo. It's time to pay particular attention to the Congress, because they will hide behind the present kerfuffle in the media and do dastardly deeds behind that smokescreen.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 18, 2017, 02:53:19 PM
While you wait for perfection and get some joy about calling people insufferable boors, the rest of us will try to work with what we have and defend against liberalism.

I get the strong feeling, with many #nevertrumps the preferred scenario is to lose with Mr. polite, Mr. nice, cherubs like Dole, McCain and Romney.

We lose, but their high morals and principles are secure. Funny thing, though. They bitched about all of those guys, too.

#nevertrump neversatisfied, never, never, never but always right. Right, right, right.

I would rather be happy (winning, holding power) than be right about every signal last detail through long winded repetitive sermons by the hour.



Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 18, 2017, 02:54:02 PM
@musiclady

Oh, more than that! We're supposed to DEFEND him, and ignore that the blatant fact of his own flawed character allows the attacks upon him, removes erstwhile opponents (and many many others) from coming to his aid, and largely is causal to his own dilemmas and eventual destruction.

We are to see him only in a orange-rosy glow, and dismiss all criticism...

All very true.

Donald Trump is his own worst enemy because his lack of character and honor exposes him to legitimate criticisms and attacks from the left.  I saw one Hillary ad against him and mourned the fact that everything in it about Trump was true.

I refuse to defend him, no matter how much pressure is put on me to do so, because, as I have said before, he was not transformed, merely elected.  I have no more obligation to defend his character than I did to defend his soul brother, Bill Clinton.

If he does a thing or two that I agree with, so be it....... but be a cheerleader for him?  Not a chance.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 02:54:57 PM
No argument here!
I'm only distressed at the hubris that thought it could strike deals with the 535 in full save their asses mode.
No breach in the swamp will be enough to dump that slime into the Tidal Basin, and there aren't sufficient numbers of vac trucks in the country to draw it off fast enough.

The only good thing is that with a nominal Republican in the White House, the cadre on the Hill are breaking cover to save their phony baloney jobs, and to keep the status quo. It's time to pay particular attention to the Congress, because they will hide behind the present kerfuffle in the media and do dastardly deeds behind that smokescreen.

EXACTLY right!   Couldn't have said it better myself!   :beer:

But we have to start somewhere!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 18, 2017, 02:57:23 PM
I get the strong feeling, with many #nevertrumps the preferred scenario is to lose with Mr. polite, Mr. nice, cherubs like Dole, McCain and Romney.

We lose, but their high morals and principles are secure. Funny thing, though. They bitched about all of those guys, too.

#nevertrump neversatisfied, never, never, never but always right. Right, right, right.

I would rather be happy (winning, holding power) than be right about every signal last detail through long winded repetitive sermons by the hour.

Dole, McCain and Romney??  Are you freakin' kidding me??

You have been wrong about many, many things because of your unthinking, intransigent support of a liberal letch, but this may be the worst of your misstatements and blunders.

Trump is a WIMP.  He only fights because he is PERSONALLY offended that anyone dare criticize him.

He makes Bob Dole look like Superman by comparison.  (And not one of your #1 Enemy, CONSERVATIVES, would support or defend Dole, McCain OR Romney).

Yikes!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: anubias on May 18, 2017, 02:58:25 PM
My dear Friend, according to the rabid Trump supporters, WE are the enemy if we do not fully genuflect, 'get on the Trump train' and defend/support/cheer and toss up accolades for their dear leader.  In fact, in the past two days - the word treason has been directed at those of us critical of Trump.

Trump may not be my enemy.  But his mobs of supporters have declared those of us who dare to be critical, to be the enemy.

So be it.

Still peddling falsehoods, I see @INVAR .  Nobody has claimed that being critical of Trump is treasonous.  This has been pointed out to you repeatedly, yet you insist upon repeating the lie.  Supporting sedition is treasonous imo.  Supporting those trying to subvert the Constitution is completely different from being critical.  By your lie, I would be claiming to have committed treason myself as I am critical of Trump.  Never have I asked you to support Trump, nor will I.

Principled my ass.   *****rollingeyes*****

I ended the argument as nicely as I could as I mistakenly supposed you to be a gentleman.  I should have bitch-slapped you for the lying turd you are as was my first notion. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 18, 2017, 03:06:22 PM
No, lady, we are not supposed to pretend that Trump is a decent person.  But, yes, some people will never be satisfied and Trump has given them an opportunity to vent their hate daily.

I'm really tired of having to reiterate that I am fully aware of Trump's character flaws and I don't like them any more than you do.

But I also live in the real world and in that world there are two elements fighting for control of our country.  There is the liberal element that believes in everything we fear and hate and there is the Republican side.

Yes, there are squishes on the Republican side and people who don't meet our hopes but basically they are Our Side.

I cannot be convinced that there's any benefit to continually spend our time bashing Trump.  What benefit is there??  No one can explain it to me, except enjoying proving daily that the bashers are far too good and fine to accept Trump while the scum among us does so.

Trump has done some good things; and he has tried to do more but been deterred by a congress that is a bit divided. 

No one can tell me a really Bad thing he has done AS PRESIDENT except exist.

If people get on the wrong side of this war for America, they will be very sorry when and if the other side wins.

My problem is that I realize that Trump, himself, is on the wrong side of this war for America. 

Just because he stuck an R by his name and the Republican establishment decided to ignore who he was and that he didn't believe in anything they were supposed to believe in, doesn't change who he really is.

In my opinion, the war for America was lost when the Republican party opted to choose a populist, unprincipled liberal as their candidate, and give us the rancid choice we had in November.

Now there is no longer a major party that even pretends to stand for American principles.  I'm a little late to understanding that fully, though I've been moving that direction for years, but Trump's nomination proved to me that neither the Democrat party (which, I've known since I was sitting on my Daddy's knee), nor the Republican party represents the values I have always held as a patriotic American citizen.

Sorry if that offends you and that you feel like I should stop telling the truth about Trump, but I'm not going to comply and give up what I think is most important just because people on the internet don't like it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 03:16:12 PM

I would rather be happy (winning, holding power).

Enjoy the winning for winning's sake, and power for power's sake.

That is all you will have, hollow as it is.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 03:18:12 PM
Still peddling falsehoods, I see @INVAR .  Nobody has claimed that being critical of Trump is treasonous. 

Quote from: anubias on May 17, 2017, 06:38:07 PM
One man's principle is another man's treason. 


I think we were discussing principles I'm governed by that you dismissed, including dissing Trump as a first amendment right.

 
I should have bitch-slapped you for the lying turd you are as was my first notion.

Knock your socks off.

I love a good fight.  Bring it.

In fact, take your best shot.  Go ahead.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 18, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
My problem is that I realize that Trump, himself, is on the wrong side of this war for America. 

Just because he stuck an R by his name and the Republican establishment decided to ignore who he was and that he didn't believe in anything they were supposed to believe in, doesn't change who he really is.

In my opinion, the war for America was lost when the Republican party opted to choose a populist, unprincipled liberal as their candidate, and give us the rancid choice we had in November.

Now there is no longer a major party that even pretends to stand for American principles.  I'm a little late to understanding that fully, though I've been moving that direction for years, but Trump's nomination proved to me that neither the Democrat party (which, I've known since I was sitting on my Daddy's knee), nor the Republican party represents the values I have always held as a patriotic American citizen.

Sorry if that offends you and that you feel like I should stop telling the truth about Trump, but I'm not going to comply and give up what I think is most important just because people on the internet don't like it.

@musiclady,  I'm sorry, but you're wrong.  Look what happens when we vote the party line like we should and "our side" has control:


Obamacare has been repealed, and replaced with a free-market, common-sense solution
We have a border wall, or at least a definite, solid beginning of one
Tax cuts
The embassy has been moved to Jerusalem, and the Wailing Wall definitively announced to be part of Israel
Planned Parenthood has been defunded
Chy-na has been pronounced a currency manipulator
Criminal aliens deported
Obama's illegal amnesties reversed
We've left the Iran deal


.......................................Um..................

..............wait..........................................
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 03:27:33 PM
I get the strong feeling, with many #nevertrumps the preferred scenario is to lose with Mr. polite, Mr. nice, cherubs like Dole, McCain and Romney.

We lose, but their high morals and principles are secure. Funny thing, though. They bitched about all of those guys, too.

#nevertrump neversatisfied, never, never, never but always right. Right, right, right.

I would rather be happy (winning, holding power) than be right about every signal last detail through long winded repetitive sermons by the hour.

You betcha.  While they are sulling and whining, while they are waiting for a third or fourth party and a perfect candidate, we will man the barricades with the weapons we actually have.


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 03:28:45 PM
I get the strong feeling, with many #nevertrumps the preferred scenario is to lose with Mr. polite, Mr. nice, cherubs like Dole, McCain and Romney.

We lose, but their high morals and principles are secure. Funny thing, though. They bitched about all of those guys, too.

#nevertrump neversatisfied, never, never, never but always right. Right, right, right.

I would rather be happy (winning, holding power) than be right about every signal [sic] last detail through long winded repetitive sermons by the hour.
If that's the case, then why do you spend your time here endlessly treating us to your erroneous interpretations of what we supposedly think?
The devil's in the details.


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
You betcha.  While they are sulling and whining, while they are waiting for a third or fourth party and a perfect candidate, we will man the barricades with the weapons we actually have.
Just be careful to construct them across the street, and point yourselves in the correct direction, toward the liberals.

Thank you.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 03:32:23 PM
If that's the case, then why do you spend your time here endlessly treating us to your erroneous interpretations of what we supposedly think? 
The devil's in the details.

Stuff a sock in it and STFU.  Very elegant and meaningful.  Is that all you have?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 03:33:25 PM
Just be careful to construct them across the street, and point yourselves in the correct direction, toward the liberals.

Thank you.

If I knew what you heck you meant by that I would either agree or disagree with you, or possibly still be confused.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 03:38:14 PM
Stuff a sock in it and STFU.  Very elegant and meaningful.  Is that all you have?
Nope I found a typo, too. Fun for everyone.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 03:39:32 PM
If I knew what you heck you meant by that I would either agree or disagree with you, or possibly still be confused.
The barricades y'all are going to be manning. Just a tactical tip.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mod2 on May 18, 2017, 03:41:12 PM
Don't make me stop this car and come back there.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 03:41:15 PM
This is a list of stuff that hasn't happened yet.

Some of it has been thwarted by liberal judges; some of it has been slowed by Congress and some of it will happen eventually.... probably a lot.

"Obamacare has been repealed, and replaced with a free-market, common-sense solution
We have a border wall, or at least a definite, solid beginning of one
Tax cuts
The embassy has been moved to Jerusalem, and the Wailing Wall definitively announced to be part of Israel
Planned Parenthood has been defunded
Chy-na has been pronounced a currency manipulator
Criminal aliens deported
Obama's illegal amnesties reversed
We've left the Iran deal"

I know we're not allowed to mention Hillary or Obama here but how many of those items would have even a snowball's chance in the hot place if that person I can't mention had been elected?


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 18, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
You betcha.  While they are sulling and whining, while they are waiting for a third or fourth party and a perfect candidate, we will man the barricades with the weapons we actually have.

Count me in!  @Emjay
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 03:47:15 PM
That's just the short list. On this thread there is a compilation of close to 60 promises made during the campaign.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.0.html)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 03:49:11 PM
You betcha.  While they are sulling and whining, while they are waiting for a third or fourth party and a perfect candidate, we will man the barricades with the weapons we actually have.

Hope those weapons are sharper than your wit.

Just sayin...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 03:52:26 PM
Hope those weapons are sharper than your wit.

Just sayin...
I just want them to point them the right way.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 03:52:49 PM
Count me in!  @Emjay

I will.  They are so busy thinking about what Trump hasn't done... they are making lists and checking them twice just like Santa Claus but not as jolly ... they are doing NOTHING to help matters.

They don't know what they want.  They haven't thought past their glorious standards.

Do they want Trump impeached?  If so, then what? 

Pence is a totally decent man ... I like him a lot on the decency scale.  Pretty soon they'll be making fun of him for being so true to his wife that he won't eat dinner with another woman.

Can't wait for that.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 03:53:28 PM
Stuff a sock in it and STFU.  Very elegant and meaningful.  Is that all you have?

The Trump faithful and supporters have taught us in the last couple of days that this is in fact, the way you persuade others to your POV.

You can talk to DC Patriot about the employment of such manners when engaged in political discourse.  He appears to be an expert on those delicate matters.

Obviously as was demonstrated, you can tell people to STFU and get behind Trump or else.

So Joe is just trying on for size to see how well it works.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 03:53:39 PM
I just want them to point them the right way.

Same here.

Sadly they are either going to be pointed in a generally circular direction...or away from the real enemy completely.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 03:54:07 PM
Hope those weapons are sharper than your wit.

Just sayin...

I'm so witty; I'm so pretty;

You've gotta admit it, Radio Guy, you have met your match in prettiness.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: anubias on May 18, 2017, 03:54:34 PM
You betcha.  While they are sulling and whining, while they are waiting for a third or fourth party and a perfect candidate, we will man the barricades with the weapons we actually have.

 :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 18, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
If I knew what you heck you meant by that I would either agree or disagree with you, or possibly still be confused.

Please keep your fire downrange.  Shoot at the liberals, not us, even if we don't agree all the time.  Something like that, we're trying to prevent casualties from friendly fire.

In fact, this whole thread's been friendly fire, and I'm surprised the Mods haven't locked it yet. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 03:55:09 PM
I'm so witty; I'm so pretty;

You've gotta admit it, Radio Guy, you have met your match in prettiness.

I have a face made for radio...never denied that.

However I also have seen your FB profile pic.

 :whistle:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 03:55:52 PM
They are so busy thinking about what Trump hasn't done...  ... they are doing NOTHING to help matters.

They don't know what they want.  They haven't thought past their glorious standards.

Well what do you intend to do about it except bitch, moan and whine about our principles that you despise and what we have to say that is not complimentary of Trump?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 03:56:01 PM
:beer:

Hey, you've gotta take over.... my son is here from Colorado and we're gonna have fun, fun, fun till Mama takes the T-Bird away.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Emjay on May 18, 2017, 03:56:58 PM
I have a face made for radio...never denied that.

However I also have seen your FB profile pic.

 :whistle:


Ooooh.  That hurts.  Getting mean now, are you?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 03:57:31 PM
Please keep your fire downrange.  Shoot at the liberals, not us, even if we don't agree all the time.  Something like that, we're trying to prevent casualties from friendly fire.

In fact, this whole thread's been friendly fire, and I'm surprised the Mods haven't locked it yet.

Here @Cyber Liberty I can give them a picture illustration to show what we're trying to tell them.

(https://storage.googleapis.com/3d_model_images/406/4069324/claymore-mine-3d-model-um0whiiab_200.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 03:57:42 PM

In fact, this whole thread's been friendly fire, and I'm surprised the Mods haven't locked it yet.

Is that what you call it?

I was under the impression if we are not on Trump's train and defending him, we are to be counted among the enemy.

So I have accepted their designation and no longer consider them friendly.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 03:58:16 PM

Ooooh.  That hurts.  Getting mean now, are you?

Not nearly as mean as your FB comments about this place.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 03:58:42 PM
Same here.

Sadly they are either going to be pointed in a generally circular direction...or away from the real enemy completely.
Yeah, sort of like muscle memory. They've been so busy attacking us that they'd do it out of habit. I wonder if they even attack Democrats any more?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mod2 on May 18, 2017, 04:00:57 PM
Enough.

Thread locked temporarily. If the personal sniping starts up on another thread, timeouts will happen.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 18, 2017, 05:57:52 PM
Enjoy the winning for winning's sake, and power for power's sake.
I will truly do that.

eg, The power to achieve the most conservative outcome, from among no vote, 3rd party vanity weirdo, democrat or Republican.

Votes cast for the first 3 options do not do that, but the 4th does.



Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 06:08:21 PM
I will truly do that.

eg, The power to achieve the most conservative outcome, from among no vote, 3rd party vanity weirdo, democrat or Republican.

Votes cast for the first 3 options do not do that, but the 4th does.


(http://billystrean.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/yoda.jpg)

Rocket science, it's not.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 18, 2017, 06:13:56 PM
Enough.

Thread locked temporarily. If the personal sniping starts up on another thread, timeouts will happen.



I liked it better when it was locked.   As Graham Chapman said.   


(http://s.quickmeme.com/img/4e/4e3e54d8ecb1bedfae8ac2ee454d821bfcd8a3b868904008181afd7ae0af8b99.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 06:17:37 PM
@Mod2  thanks for unlocking the thread.

A friendly reminder that if one types 'DCPatriot', or any variation of same in a post, please ping my ass.  Thank you.

Not all the members who support President Donald Trump are able to access the forum all morning and all afternoon.

Glad the thread was locked, after reading "new" posts when I got home.    Very glad.      ^-^
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 06:18:08 PM
I liked it better when it was locked.

I liked it better when Republicans stood on principle instead of being Democrat-lite.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 06:21:37 PM
I will truly do that.

eg, The power to achieve the most conservative outcome, from among no vote, 3rd party vanity weirdo, democrat or Republican.

Votes cast for the first 3 options do not do that, but the 4th does.

You have your reward. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 06:30:56 PM
I liked it better when Republicans stood on principle instead of being Democrat-lite.

The truth is that seeing what the Democrat Party has become...[full blown anarchists who want to expand socialism and repeal Amendments and tear down statues....complete surrender to the good of the State, screw your Bill of Rights.], the millions upon millions of their blue collar, God-fearing voters will continue to cross over and embrace Donald Trump and maybe put down stakes.

So, the 'Republicans' will be even MORE moderate.   And the strident SOCONS will have to be tied up in the trunk.   

And @Hoodat .....there's no place else for you to go.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 18, 2017, 06:36:00 PM
I liked it better when Republicans stood on principle instead of being Democrat-lite.



I did too,   but now we must endeavor to make silk purse out of a sow's ear for we have no better choice at this point. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 06:52:17 PM
[...] make silk purse out of a sow's ear [...] 

Engaging in the impossible is seldom profitable.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 18, 2017, 06:55:02 PM
I liked it better when Republicans stood on principle instead of being Democrat-lite.
I think by that standard, there has been only Reagan who would pass the test of not being democrat lite.

But we got Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Bush II and Trump. Always better than the alternative.

Perot was the only 3rd party person that came close to having a chance.

Can you name a single election since WWII where the democrat was the conservative, by comparison to the Republican?
 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 06:59:54 PM
Can you name a single election since WWII where the democrat was the conservative, by comparison to the Republican?

It doesn't matter when the distinction is without a difference.
Trump may be nominally better than H. Clinton, but both are way left of center.
Moving 'center' doesn't fix it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 18, 2017, 07:00:19 PM
I think by that standard, there has been only Reagan who would pass the test of not being democrat lite.

But we got Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Bush II and Trump. Always better than the alternative.

Perot was the only 3rd party person that came close to having a chance.

Can you name a single election since WWII where the democrat was the conservative, by comparison to the Republican?

Trump is not remotely close to Reagan.  HOWEVER what specific ACTIONS has Trump taken as President that makes him Democrat lite?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 07:17:05 PM
And the strident SOCONS will have to be tied up in the trunk.   

I invite you to attempt to tie us up and put us in the trunk sir.

You reveal yourself to be no different than those you just railed against.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 07:24:44 PM
Trump is not remotely close to Reagan.  HOWEVER what specific ACTIONS has Trump taken as President that makes him Democrat lite?

You mean besides not revoking Obamacare...trying to force Israel into a two state solution and going soft on curbing illegal immigrants sneaking across our borders?

Not too much I guess.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 18, 2017, 07:33:37 PM
I liked it better when Republicans stood on principle instead of being Democrat-lite.

What "principle" are you referring to @Hoodat
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 07:39:04 PM
What "principle" are you referring to @Hoodat

I'm not Hoodat bu will answer anyway.

Playing by the rules would be a great start.  Unlike what they did at their own convention last summer.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jarhead on May 18, 2017, 07:40:42 PM
You mean besides not revoking Obamacare...trying to force Israel into a two state solution and going soft on curbing illegal immigrants sneaking across our borders?

Not too much I guess.

You mean unilaterally making law to revoke Obamacare? Your anger is 100% misplaced. It should be directed towards spineless repuklicans who have run on for the last 8 years. Now I will say could he have rejected the bill and sent it back? Yes and I question that too however the anger is squarely with our worthless Congress.

Two state solution you and I agree and I am not pleased but to malign him within an undercurrent of a media and Democrat coup I won't do.

Illegal immigration has actually drastically decreased if you haven't been following reports. Additionally yet again Congress must appropriate those funds in the budget which is coming by the way in the next few months. This will be the test.

In short your anger in my view is completely off target and misplaced if that is how you feel.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 07:42:23 PM
What "principle" are you referring to @Hoodat

The unmovable principles of the Social Conservatives, Fiscal Conservatives, Foreign Policy/Defense Conservatives, and the civil libertarians. You can look them up.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 18, 2017, 07:45:50 PM
You mean besides not revoking Obamacare...trying to force Israel into a two state solution and going soft on curbing illegal immigrants sneaking across our borders?

Not too much I guess.

I believe I've heard none other than yourself accuse Trump of having dictatorial proclivities. If he had decreed Obamacare hereby repealed would you have applauded?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 18, 2017, 07:48:13 PM
You mean besides not revoking Obamacare...trying to force Israel into a two state solution and going soft on curbing illegal immigrants sneaking across our borders?

Not too much I guess. 

You want Obamacare repealed?  Do something useful:  Back away from the keyboard and call your Congressman. 

Sorry you missed the President saying directly to PM Netanyahu during his visit to the States that the Israelis and Palestinians will find the solution that works best for them ... and that he didn't care whether it was a one state solution or a two state solution.  Whichever worked.

Soft on curbing illegals?  Are you uninformed or :nometalk:   Here are just two articles you somehow skipped over:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/4/illegal-immigration-down-67-percent-under-trump/
Law and Order: ICE Under Trump Making 400 Arrests a Day  http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/l...0-arrests-day/


For someone who knows so little, you sure do a lot of spewing @txradioguy 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 08:24:49 PM
Engaging in the impossible is seldom profitable.
Just another one-eared pig, smeared with lipstick.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 08:26:10 PM
Just another one-eared pig, smeared with lipstick.

Yep, That'd be it.

 :beer:

And tag-worthy, btw.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 08:27:22 PM
I believe I've heard none other than yourself accuse Trump of having dictatorial proclivities. If he had decreed Obamacare hereby repealed would you have applauded?

You need to check your hearing.

I don't want him to rule by fiat like Obama did.

He should have told Congress to bring him the total repeal they approved 2 years ago so he could sign it.

Hell he could still do that now.

But he won't.

He wants single payer.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 08:27:43 PM
The truth is that seeing what the Democrat Party has become...[full blown anarchists who want to expand socialism and repeal Amendments and tear down statues....complete surrender to the good of the State, screw your Bill of Rights.], the millions upon millions of their blue collar, God-fearing voters will continue to cross over and embrace Donald Trump and maybe put down stakes.

So, the 'Republicans' will be even MORE moderate.   And the strident SOCONS will have to be tied up in the trunk.   

And @Hoodat .....there's no place else for you to go.   
There you go again. Get the "family" in town and trash the place threatening to tie people up. I'd love to see you try. That'd be a hoot.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 18, 2017, 08:30:13 PM
The truth is that seeing what the Democrat Party has become...[full blown anarchists who want to expand socialism and repeal Amendments and tear down statues....complete surrender to the good of the State, screw your Bill of Rights.], the millions upon millions of their blue collar, God-fearing voters will continue to cross over and embrace Donald Trump and maybe put down stakes.

So, the 'Republicans' will be even MORE moderate.   And the strident SOCONS will have to be tied up in the trunk.   

And @Hoodat .....there's no place else for you to go.   

@DCPatriot

I guess there's "no place to go' if politics is your entire life, but if it is, you need a break, anyway.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 18, 2017, 08:32:31 PM

I don't want him to rule by fiat like Obama did.


Thats a relief.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2017, 08:33:39 PM
You mean besides not revoking Obamacare...trying to force Israel into a two state solution and going soft on curbing illegal immigrants sneaking across our borders?

Not too much I guess.
You left out the Secretary of State who signed off on the Global warming thing.

Tillerson signs international declaration recognizing climate change (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,262569.msg1319234.html#msg1319234)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 08:33:39 PM
Thats a relief.

Shouldn't come to any surprise to you. I've been consistently saying that since he took office.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 18, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
I invite you to attempt to tie us up and put us in the trunk sir.

You reveal yourself to be no different than those you just railed against.

@INVAR

Just more keyboard tough-guy gasbaggery from someone who wouldn't budge off his sofa.

Good thing, too.  Anyone who lays a finger on me will draw back a stump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 08:34:11 PM
There you go again. Get the "family" in town and trash the place threatening to tie people up. I'd love to see you try. That'd be a hoot.

You cannot be that obtuse!  Can you @Smokin Joe ?

Both you and @INVAR are unable to grasp hyperbole....., uh-huh.

The smaller percentage of the whole [body] your ideological takes you, the less of a voice you have.

Unless you're the rectum, that is.       *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 18, 2017, 08:35:37 PM
Shouldn't come to any surprise to you. I've been consistently saying that since he took office.

The other poster made a decent point - to date Trump has been no less conservative than, say, GW Bush was.

Not exactly what I wanted out of this election either, but denying that he has done some good since January does no ones credibility any favors.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 08:36:34 PM
@INVAR

Just more keyboard tough-guy gasbaggery from someone who wouldn't budge off his sofa.

Good thing, too.  Anyone who lays a finger on me will draw back a stump.

Et tu, @CatherineofAragon

Why am I not surprised.

Bless your heart, too!

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 08:39:47 PM

The smaller percentage of the whole [body] your ideological takes you, the less of a voice you have.

Unless you're the rectum, that is.   

I know this is over your head, but we really do not care if our voice is drowned out by a mob majority - because we are governed by something you have no use for.

(http://www.smartvalueblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/AlwaysStandOnPrincipleEvenIfYouStandAlone.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DB on May 18, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
The other poster made a decent point - to date Trump has been no less conservative than, say, GW Bush was.

Not exactly what I wanted out of this election either, but denying that he has done some good since January does no ones credibility any favors.

We'll see what the price was of that "some good" in four years. My guess is it will be higher than GW's.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 08:50:38 PM
I know this is over your head, but we really do not care if our voice is drowned out by a mob majority - because we are governed by something you have no use for.

(http://www.smartvalueblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/AlwaysStandOnPrincipleEvenIfYouStandAlone.jpg)

Oh, wait!   

What about your claim that I was coming literally to tie you up and put you in the trunk, pajama man?   

You're so transparent.  Run along. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 08:54:07 PM
Keep editing garbage boy.

LOL!   Then he tries to turn it around on me.

You're the 3rd man in on an ongoing back and forth, and suggests I want to literally come to your houses and tie you up.

How far did you go in your English studies?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 18, 2017, 08:54:57 PM
We'll see what the price was of that "some good" in four years. My guess is it will be higher than GW's.

Higher than Barack Obama? G*d forbid.

The only worse thing I can think of is President Hillary Clinton.

Which BTW explains my vote last November.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 08:55:31 PM
The other poster made a decent point - to date Trump has been no less conservative than, say, GW Bush was.

Not exactly what I wanted out of this election either, but denying that he has done some good since January does no ones credibility any favors.

The little bit of good he has done so far keeps getting overshadowed by the stuff he keeps screwing up.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 08:56:25 PM
LOL!   Then he tries to turn it around on me.

You're the 3rd man in on an ongoing back and forth, and suggests I want to literally come to your houses and tie you up.

How far did you go in your English studies?

Did you draw the short straw tonight or something?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mystery-ak on May 18, 2017, 08:58:14 PM
Let's stop the rectum references... *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 18, 2017, 08:58:31 PM
The little bit of good he has done so far keeps getting overshadowed by the stuff he keeps screwing up.

So I keep reading. Time will tell the truth from fantasy.

Hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 18, 2017, 08:58:58 PM
Oh, wait!   

What about your claim that I was coming literally to tie you up and put you in the trunk, pajama man?   

Thanks for proving @CatherineofAragon  correct about you a few posts up.

I think "keyboard tough-guy gasbaggery from someone who wouldn't budge off his sofa" was how she described you.

Bloviating empty threats do not exactly lend any credence to points you wish to make about anyone.

But if you were stupid enough to put your money where your mouth is, I would happily indulge you without use of my irons.

I'll even put on sparring gear for you.  You can keep your boots and brass knuckles on.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 18, 2017, 09:00:21 PM
You betcha.  While they are sulling and whining, while they are waiting for a third or fourth party and a perfect candidate, we will man the barricades with the weapons we actually have.
And you will be defeated, just as you are being defeated now
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 18, 2017, 09:00:38 PM
So I keep reading. Time will tell the truth from fantasy.

Hope springs eternal.

I hope he rebounds from the first disastrous couple months and does some good things.

We're screwed if he turns out to be what we've predicted he will be as President.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 18, 2017, 09:03:45 PM
Funny, it's the worthless republicans who are in Congress that are to blame for lack of conservative policy.  We had to vote for Trump because he was the republican. By that standard we have to vote for ANY republican because at least he's not a democrat.  And look where that gets us. And we, who decided we had enough of that circle jerk, are mocked because we've left the circle and called it what it is.  Now not just mocked, but threatened. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 09:07:29 PM
Let's stop the rectum references... *****rollingeyes*****

Let's stop the garbage boy references.     *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: MOD8 on May 18, 2017, 09:14:10 PM
I have an idea!  Let's just stop.  Locked.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: flowers on May 18, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
I have an idea!  Let's just stop.  Locked.
Look at that...another thread locked!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 18, 2017, 10:07:19 PM
It's night of the living thread.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 10:13:17 PM
Look at that...another thread locked!

...to hell with it.   

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 10:30:12 PM
What "principle" are you referring to @Hoodat

<sigh>

Again, get the federal government the hell out of the health insurance industry, put an end to baseline budgeting, reduce spending to a level no higher than 19% of GDP, end the Social Security Ponzi scheme by replacing it with real investment, and put a stop to printing up new money to finance federal spending.

It's called 'limited government'.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
<sigh>

Again, get the federal government the hell out of the health insurance industry, put an end to baseline budgeting, reduce spending to a level no higher than 19% of GDP, end the Social Security Ponzi scheme by replacing it with real investment, and put a stop to printing up new money to finance federal spending.

It's called 'limited government'.

 :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 18, 2017, 10:38:20 PM
   Thank you @mystery-ak  for allowing us to play with these disillusioned, homeless Freepers. I may even miss them if John ever finds a new wheel.

(http://sharonoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Hamster-with-sign_XS.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 10:38:32 PM
So, the 'Republicans' will be even MORE moderate.   And the strident SOCONS will have to be tied up in the trunk.   

And @Hoodat .....there's no place else for you to go.   

Ah, the SOCON bogeyman.  How quaint.  Nevermind that I never mentioned a singe social issue.  I simply want the power of government severely curtailed just as our Founding Fathers intended.  Clearly, you believe otherwise, just as your 'tied up in the trunk' phrase indicates.  At least we now know which of us supports liberty and which of us supports tyranny (as long as it's his kind of tyranny).
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 18, 2017, 10:44:28 PM
<sigh>

Again, get the federal government the hell out of the health insurance industry, put an end to baseline budgeting, reduce spending to a level no higher than 19% of GDP, end the Social Security Ponzi scheme by replacing it with real investment, and put a stop to printing up new money to finance federal spending.

It's called 'limited government'.

Hoodat 2020!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 18, 2017, 10:49:54 PM
Let's stop the rectum references... *****rollingeyes*****

@mystery-ak

Lol, post of the night. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: flowers on May 18, 2017, 10:53:32 PM
It's night of the living thread.
   :silly:  @RoosGirl
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: flowers on May 18, 2017, 10:55:23 PM
 Homeless Freepers... now that is funny! @corbe  We are homeless right now.  :laugh:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 11:14:50 PM
Ah, the SOCON bogeyman.  How quaint.  Nevermind that I never mentioned a singe social issue.  I simply want the power of government severely curtailed just as our Founding Fathers intended.  Clearly, you believe otherwise, just as your 'tied up in the trunk' phrase indicates.  At least we now know which of us supports liberty and which of us supports tyranny (as long as it's his kind of tyranny).

Christ, Almighty.   Can ANYBODY read?

I separated you from them.   Go ahead.  Look.






See?      *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 11:21:26 PM
Christ, Almighty.   Can ANYBODY read?

I separated you from them.   Go ahead.  Look.

I did.  You offered a binary choice.  (Sound familiar?)

A.  Join a more moderate Repubican Party
B.  Get locked in the trunk with the SOCONS.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 18, 2017, 11:24:20 PM
Homeless Freepers... now that is funny! @corbe  We are homeless right now.  :laugh:

@flowers, btw...when you go back to TOS and Jim is talking about the new server he needs money for, you might want to ask him what happened to the new server he bought about three years ago.  The site crashed during every one of the 2012 debates, and on election night.  He seemed really excited when he and John bought the thing.

It sure didn't last long....
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 18, 2017, 11:26:09 PM
I did.  You offered a binary choice.  (Sound familiar?)

A.  Join a more moderate Repubican Party
B.  Get locked in the trunk with the SOCONS.

You're a sturdy Conservative who happens to dislike Donald Trump on a personal level.  You're pragmatic.

Are you going to jump in the fire with the nutz?   Or, are you going to be part of a bigger and greater Republican Party.?

If you read that post that upset you again, you'll see it that. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 11:28:16 PM
@flowers, btw...when you go back to TOS and Jim is talking about the new server he needs money for, you might want to ask him what happened to the new server he bought about three years ago.  The site crashed during every one of the 2012 debates, and on election night.  He seemed really excited when he and John bought the thing.

It sure didn't last long....

Yeah, but after the administration fees, transportation fees, salaries and bonuses, this is the "new" server they ended up with....

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/22/e6/4f/22e64ff8063f26ab5094aa8faffdb138.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 18, 2017, 11:29:31 PM
   These FR renegades just don't understand the damage they leave in their wake.
   FR will come back up this Month, I think, and it will take us Briefers weeks to reeducate/subjugate our small Trump Community again!

  (http://cdn.meme.am/instances/58641313.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mom MD on May 18, 2017, 11:36:27 PM
   These FR renegades just don't understand the damage they leave in their wake.
   FR will come back up this Month, I think, and it will take us Briefers weeks to reeducate/subjugate our small Trump Community again!

  (http://cdn.meme.am/instances/58641313.jpg)

Frenegades.  I like the name
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 11:37:09 PM
Quote
Jim Robbingman
8 hrs

Received a two part message from John. The first part went into some of the horror stories of procurement, replacement and recovery but he ended it upbeat. Sounds like he's making great progress. Says he's going to go up to San Jose and purchase some additional equipment then he should be ready to install. And he says installation should be straightforward as the drive is pre-loaded and ready to go. The only thing he left off was the timing and I haven't heard back from him on that yet. Oops, he just responded to my question if we were going to be up today.. Said it depends on how many unexpected problems like he had yesterday pop up. Prayers up!

Hasn't this bullshit song and dance about "John going to somewhere" to fix this or that been the line for decades? Can't he come up with a better lie on why the site is down? 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 18, 2017, 11:40:30 PM
   I sent him my whole Social Security Check just to buy some Peace in here. Those freepers are making such a mess of things.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2017, 11:41:34 PM
You're a sturdy Conservative who happens to dislike Donald Trump on a personal level.  You're pragmatic.

Uh, no.  Nothing personal about it.  If Trump did only one thing - reduce spending to 19% of GDP, I would crawl on my knees through broken glass to vote for him in 2020.  My problem with Trump is that he does not support Conservatism, and that he lacks integrity.  The same goes for many of his supporters.  I can't tell you how many times I heard how he was going to destroy the GOPe.  Yet after the election, he takes the very heart of the GOPe - Reince Priebus - and names him Chief of Staff.

So no, there is no personal level involved here.  The fact that I went to his inauguration proves it.


Are you going to jump in the fire with the nutz?   Or, are you going to be part of a bigger and greater Republican Party.?

Jeopardy Contestant:  What is a False Dichotomy?

Alex Trebek:  Correct.

Jeopardy Contestant:  I'll take Logical Fallacies for $400.


If you read that post that upset you again, you'll see it that.

I did read it again.  You gave two choices.  I reject them both.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 11:41:36 PM
Hasn't this bullshit song and dance about "John going to somewhere" to fix this or that been the line for decades? Can't he come up with a better lie on why the site is down?

If I was running a site like that I wouldn't have to drive anywhere to get to my server(s) and I don't know chit about running a website!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 18, 2017, 11:45:49 PM
If I was running a site like that I wouldn't have to drive anywhere to get to my server(s) and I don't know chit about running a website!


   If you ain't his Brother you'd be Fired @Bigun for incompetence and money laundering, unless you could come up with a 'Certified Letter', of course.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
   I sent him my whole Social Security Check just to buy some Peace in here. Those freepers are making such a mess of things.

For what mental disorder do you get your SS check for?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 18, 2017, 11:47:25 PM
You're a sturdy Conservative.   You're pragmatic.

Dichotomy.
Impossible.

Quote
be part of a bigger and greater Republican Party.?

Again, impossible.
Throwing away the principles which made the Republican Party great (the very few times in my life that it was great) will result in it being a lesser copy of the democrats. It's there already.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 11:47:40 PM
If I was running a site like that I wouldn't have to drive anywhere to get to my server(s) and I don't know chit about running a website!

If you were running a site like that I would call you a crooked son of a bitch and mock you for being a jack ass.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 18, 2017, 11:48:47 PM
LSP-Later Stage Puberty, I thought everybody had that, that's what the Doctors told me.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2017, 11:49:19 PM
If you were running a site like that I would call you a crooked son of a bitch and mock you for being a jack ass.

And you would be FULLY justified in doing so!   888high58888
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 18, 2017, 11:51:00 PM
LSP-Later Stage Puberty, I thought everybody had that, that's what the Doctors told me.

Good for you. They don't hand out checks for alcoholism anymore so I have had to cut back on my trips to Vegas to meet whores. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 18, 2017, 11:57:05 PM
Good for you. They don't hand out checks for alcoholism anymore so I have had to cut back on my trips to Vegas to meet whores. 

   Oh, but they do Frank, they added another letter, it's called LSP/F now, Latter Stage Puberty/Freeper syndrome, not only do you act stupid you actually are stupid.

   Ok I didn't really mean it Freepers I love yall,
   signed
sappy ba$tard
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 19, 2017, 12:03:08 AM
   Oh, but they do Frank, they added another letter, it's called LSP/F now, Latter Stage Puberty/Freeper syndrome, not only do you act stupid you actually are stupid.

   Ok I didn't really mean it Freepers I love yall,
   signed
sappy ba$tard

Notice you got a hard on for the Freepers tonight. One of them take your parking spot today?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 19, 2017, 12:08:45 AM
The unmovable principles of the Social Conservatives, Fiscal Conservatives, Foreign Policy/Defense Conservatives, and the civil libertarians. You can look them up.
Maybe you had the Reagan amnesty in mind too?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 12:09:12 AM
Those freepers are making such a mess of things.

I had the same feeling not too long ago.   888blackhat
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 19, 2017, 12:12:04 AM
You need to check your hearing.

I don't want him to rule by fiat like Obama did.

He should have told Congress to bring him the total repeal they approved 2 years ago so he could sign it.

Hell he could still do that now.

But he won't.

He wants single payer.

Rich. Don't want him to rule by fiat like Obama, yet you want him to tell Congress what to do.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 19, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
@INVAR

Just more keyboard tough-guy gasbaggery from someone who wouldn't budge off his sofa.

Good thing, too.  Anyone who lays a finger on me will draw back a stump.
Rich. You criticize DC Patriot of "keyboard tough-guy gasbaggery" then issue a threat.

 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 19, 2017, 12:16:07 AM
@INVAR

Just more keyboard tough-guy gasbaggery from someone who wouldn't budge off his sofa.

Good thing, too.  Anyone who lays a finger on me will draw back a stump.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 12:17:50 AM
Maybe you had the Reagan amnesty in mind too?

Reagan's amnesty pissed me off. But he stood right there, with Congressional leadership behind him nodding their heads, and told America it was a one-off... One time only.

I didn't like it, but I could take it... The border enforcement would stop it from happening anymore.
And there's the rub.

But the promise was made THEN. That is where it was set in stone.  Every sonofabich since has shorted on that promise. Just like every other promise made to Conservatives by the Republicans.

They lie like rugs and never do the right thing.
Screw em.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 12:18:48 AM
Notice you got a hard on for the Freepers tonight. One of them take your parking spot today?

   I do @Frank Cannon and I know it's obvious, it's just an old animosity showing back up and I wasn't even Zotted, just everything else they that do over there when they don't agree with ya, unlike here, I gotta admit their Server being down has brought some different meat, fresh ideas here to chew on and I've enjoyed it, whether or not I'll miss them when Jim gets his archaic Server System back up is another story, but this too shall pass.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 12:25:56 AM
Maybe you had the Reagan amnesty in mind too?
Actually, that was one of the things he did I did not approve of.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 19, 2017, 12:29:44 AM
   I do @Frank Cannon and I know it's obvious, it's just an old animosity showing back up and I wasn't even Zotted, just everything else they that do over there when they don't agree with ya, unlike here, I gotta admit their Server being down has brought some different meat, fresh ideas here to chew on and I've enjoyed it, whether or not I'll miss them when Jim gets his archaic Server System back up is another story, but this too shall pass.

Don't panic. When all your fair weather friends head back to their psychotic shit hole, I will still be here to knock you down when you are up.

BTW, I wasn't zotted either. My page is still there intact as a creepy reminder like that of being raped in prison. If I could remember all the DOS programming you needed to use to conduct business over there I would get rid of it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 12:41:31 AM
<sigh>

Again, get the federal government the hell out of the health insurance industry, put an end to baseline budgeting, reduce spending to a level no higher than 19% of GDP, end the Social Security Ponzi scheme by replacing it with real investment, and put a stop to printing up new money to finance federal spending.

And I'd like rainbows and lollipops and sunshine and singing and ponies and ice cream and ..... (https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.6SjsMCyFzloT6Jc4ZcTkuwEsEl)


For your sake and the sake of your family, I do hope you have a Plan B at the ready.  @Hoodat  ....  You're going to need it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 12:46:23 AM
They don't hand out checks for alcoholism anymore so I have had to cut back on my trips to Vegas to meet whores.

They still do that there?

I thought everything was online or on Amazon these days.

You know, a virtual drive up to a twosome in furs and high heels and place a bid like on eBay for a potential score?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 19, 2017, 12:54:10 AM
They still do that there?

I thought everything was online or on Amazon these days.

You know, a virtual drive up to a twosome in furs and high heels and place a bid like on eBay for a potential score?

Tried the Amazon thing, but the items were getting damaged on the UPS trucks before delivery.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 12:55:26 AM
Don't panic. When all your fair weather friends head back to their psychotic shit hole, I will still be here to knock you down when you are up.

BTW, I wasn't zotted either. My page is still there intact as a creepy reminder like that of being raped in prison. If I could remember all the DOS programming you needed to use to conduct business over there I would get rid of it.

   That scares the living $hit out of me Frank, I've seen you on your bad days, Jeez, I'd rather have a rectal examination from

(http://pre11.deviantart.net/f0ad/th/pre/f/2015/356/5/4/edward_scissorhands_cosplay_by_alysontabbitha-d9l2gx3.jpg)

* in context this is not the same reference to rectal as before, which has been banned temporarily.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 19, 2017, 12:58:30 AM

* in context this is not the same reference to rectal as before, which has been banned temporarily.

"Rectal" has been banned? One of these days I have to quit my business so I can be here when this crazy stuff goes down.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 12:59:02 AM
Tried the Amazon thing, but the items were getting damaged on the UPS trucks before delivery.

   They don't come pre blowed up Frank, buy an Air Compressor you Cheap Ba$tard.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2565/4001263153_1a141954ed_z.jpg?zz=1)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 01:01:28 AM
The unmovable principles of the Social Conservatives, Fiscal Conservatives, Foreign Policy/Defense Conservatives, and the civil libertarians. You can look them up.

You have no idea what you're talking about do you....you're rather like a mile wide and an inch deep.  And yet you still wonder why your version of conservatism cannot gain political traction...even though it's "unmovable".

@roamer_1
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 01:03:45 AM
You have no idea what you're talking about do you....you're rather like a mile wide and an inch deep.  And yet you still wonder why your version of conservatism cannot gain political traction...even though it's "unmovable".

@roamer_1
Apparently you didn't look them up.  **nononono*
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 01:04:40 AM
@DCPatriot

I guess there's "no place to go' if politics is your entire life, but if it is, you need a break, anyway.

No worries @CatherineofAragon ... @DCPatriot has a rather full life.   ^-^
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 01:06:31 AM
No worries @CatherineofAragon ... @DCPatriot has a rather full life.   ^-^

  I'm curious as to how you know this @Right_in_Virginia care to elaborate?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 01:07:02 AM
Apparently you didn't look them up.  **nononono*

Well, you beat me to that one. Nuff said.

 888high58888
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 01:08:26 AM
  Does it come in Crayon?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 01:14:28 AM
Apparently you didn't look them up. 

Why?  Based on everything the conservative geniuses here write there are 720 versions of everything "immovable" . . . from fornication to immigration to taxation.  I wanted your version ... but apparently you don't have one.

And somehow you blame me for this.  @Smokin Joe    :shrug:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: rodamala on May 19, 2017, 01:16:34 AM
@Freya

Because this thread needs more kitties...

(http://s12.postimg.org/o86wpxsbx/20170515_150734.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 01:19:21 AM
Why?  Based on everything the conservative geniuses here write there are 720 versions of everything "immovable" . . . from fornication to immigration to taxation.  I wanted your version ... but apparently you don't have one.

And somehow you blame me for this.  @Smokin Joe    :shrug:
I am no clairvoyant. You never said you wanted my version. And somehow you blame me for that?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 01:20:07 AM
Tried the Amazon thing, but the items were getting damaged on the UPS trucks before delivery.

I bet.  I've seen documentaries on mishandling of packages:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q6_9A90cUk

I mean, when you order this:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/02/article-2211747-154FDB9C000005DC-592_634x588.jpg)

and your item arrives looking like this:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/09/article-2230601-15EFB270000005DC-321_964x639.jpg)

I hope you contacted Amazon customer service to make sure you filed a claim and were able to return the item and get your money back. 

Feel for you bro. 

Did you try the local mall?



Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 01:20:16 AM
Well, you beat me to that one. Nuff said.

 888high58888

Well ., I'll give you the same reply:  What's your version of the conservative "immovables"  Based on everything written by conservatives here, there's a hell of a lot of confusion about this.

So, now's your chance .... Enlighten me @roamer_1   Consider it doing God's work.

Come on... give it your best damn shot. (And don't forget to ping me .... I'll look forward to your answer tomorrow)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 01:21:50 AM
Well ., I'll give you the same reply:  What's your version of the conservative "immovables"  Based on everything written by conservatives here, there's a hell of a lot of confusion about this.

So, now's your chance .... Enlighten me @roamer_1   Consider it doing God's work.

Come on... give it your best damn shot. (And don't forget to ping me .... I'll look forward to your answer tomorrow)
For starters, part of it is in cursive. Are you up for that?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 01:24:33 AM
@Freya

Because this thread needs more kitties...

(http://s12.postimg.org/o86wpxsbx/20170515_150734.jpg)

   I see how You are trying to hijack this Thread @rodamala and everyone already knows Trump does not like Cats or Dogs or Republicans.
 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Sighlass on May 19, 2017, 01:48:31 AM
My guess is that he only did that to try to fool the non-thinking "evangelical Christians" who wanted to pretend he wasn't an amoral letch who sexually assaulted women on a regular basis.

Unfortunately, it worked, and for the most part "evangelicals" no longer have any moral authority.


@musiclady

Bingo

And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. - Romans 3:8
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: rodamala on May 19, 2017, 01:52:16 AM
   I see how You are trying to hijack this Thread @rodamala and everyone already knows Trump does not like Cats or Dogs or Republicans.

Just taking advantage of an unlocked "locked" thread that may as well be TBR's version of the TOS Undead Thread.

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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 19, 2017, 01:56:54 AM

Did you try the local mall?

That's a sad subject in my area. Our anchor store for the mall was a Montgomery Ward. A local Indian tribe claimed the housewares section was on sacred land and took it over. The store went out of business because 78% of their profits were from spatula sales. Now all we have for shopping is an old guy in a beat up Econoline van who moves hot merchandise every Tuesday morning. By the time I get there all the good stuff is usually gone.

Damn Indians.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/2854653995_b91de0927e.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 02:01:38 AM
That's a sad subject in my area. Our anchor store for the mall was a Montgomery Ward. A local Indian tribe claimed the housewares section was on sacred land and took it over. The store went out of business because 78% of their profits were from spatula sales. Now all we have for shopping is an old guy in a beat up Econoline van who moves hot merchandise every Tuesday morning. By the time I get there all the good stuff is usually gone.

Damn Indians.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/2854653995_b91de0927e.jpg?v=0)
Careful, paleface! You didn't check out the goods inside? You can tell they are genuine.  Carefully Handcrafted In Native America? Jugs And Pottery American Navajo?

Says so, right on the label.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 02:01:46 AM
Well ., I'll give you the same reply:  What's your version of the conservative "immovables"  Based on everything written by conservatives here, there's a hell of a lot of confusion about this.

So, now's your chance .... Enlighten me @roamer_1   Consider it doing God's work.

Come on... give it your best damn shot. (And don't forget to ping me .... I'll look forward to your answer tomorrow)

@Right_in_Virginia

Like I said, go look it up. Social Conservatism and Fiscal Conservatism are easily found, and listing their basic principles.
Defense Conservatism is a little tougher, and civil libertarianism (Goldwater) has to be strained away from Big 'L' Libertarianism, But it's doable.

Those are the factions.
You have no right to call yourself conservative if you do not support the principles of at least one of those factions. Reaganism supports all factions.
The only other legitimate Conservatives are what is now dubbed 'paleoconservatives', who are in short, the very same factions, omitting social conservatism

Neoconservatism plays lip service and doesn't even know what Conservatism is. You know... 'Moderates'... Pragmatists. Since they come from the moderate wing, and eschew the principles, they are not conservatives.

If you want my help with it, you can look me up on the subject on FR, Otherwise, go find it yourself. Maybe when you're done, you can surprise me by actually listing the principles of the factions, along with an indication as to which you adhere.

I won't be waiting. If you don't know by now...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 02:04:32 AM
For starters, part of it is in cursive. Are you up for that?

LOL!  :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 02:05:45 AM
                    I remember that show, I saw the rerun last fall.

(https://dakiniland.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/cruz-as-mr-haney1.png?w=590)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 02:07:28 AM
                    I remember that show, I saw the rerun last fall.

(https://dakiniland.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/cruz-as-mr-haney1.png?w=590)
Mr Haney did all right. He came out on every deal.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 02:08:29 AM
That's a sad subject in my area. Our anchor store for the mall was a Montgomery Ward. A local Indian tribe claimed the housewares section was on sacred land and took it over. The store went out of business because 78% of their profits were from spatula sales. Now all we have for shopping is an old guy in a beat up Econoline van who moves hot merchandise every Tuesday morning. By the time I get there all the good stuff is usually gone.

Damn Indians.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/2854653995_b91de0927e.jpg?v=0)

Oh I concur.  After all, the Injuns gave us Fauxahontas Warren after all.

Of greater concern is that white Econoline van sitting outside a kids store on Tuesday mornings.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/51/f9/d2/51f9d2b913e1b684e6761f73e6f13e1c.jpg)



Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 02:19:00 AM
  Not even Orange Kyptonite would have saved Sen. Cruz against the Trump onslaught, America was angry, and rightfully so but I'm gonna send him some of this, just in case, Belated Birthday (46):

(http://geekandsundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/orange-kryptonite.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 19, 2017, 02:24:13 AM
  Not even Orange Kyptonite would have saved Sen. Cruz against the Trump onslaught, America was angry, and rightfully so but I'm gonna send him some of this, just in case, Belated Birthday (46):

How do you know it is his birthday? First off, he is Lyin' Ted so whatever he says it is, he is lying. Secondly the Canadian calendar is in metric, so whatever date he give you, you have to divide it by 64. Lastly I refer to the fact that he is called Lyin' Ted again.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 02:32:43 AM
   He was born in the house of Sagittarius Frank (12/22), his last birthday he pondered how he, the product of an American Citizen, formally holding Canadian Residency and a Cuban who tried to kill a President, 'How could I possibly lose to that Moron', I'm sure it was quite depressing.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Sighlass on May 19, 2017, 02:33:38 AM
Quote from: Txradioguy
He wants single payer.

Yep. Remember Trump telling us in the primaries that we weren't compassionate (have a heart) if we didn't support healthcare for everyone. Just a week or so didn't he comment how Australia (I think it was there) had better healthcare than us lowly Americans. He gloated over the Canadian healthcare in his book. How people missed this during the primaries is beyond me.

It wasn't rocket science, Trump is a big government liberal and always was.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 02:47:27 AM
How do you know it is his birthday? First off, he is Lyin' Ted so whatever he says it is, he is lying. Secondly the Canadian calendar is in metric, so whatever date he give you, you have to divide it by 64. Lastly I refer to the fact that he is called Lyin' Ted again.

I'm pretty sure we can blame the Canadian Metric Calendar on the Indians.

In fact, let's just blame Canada for everything and I think we can solve all our problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBpgcZ1zYJs
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 07:54:25 AM
Yep. Remember Trump telling us in the primaries that we weren't compassionate (have a heart) if we didn't support healthcare for everyone. Just a week or so didn't he comment how Australia (I think it was there) had better healthcare than us lowly Americans. He gloated over the Canadian healthcare in his book. How people missed this during the primaries is beyond me.

It wasn't rocket science, Trump is a big government liberal and always was.
People didn't 'miss' that, they forcibly ignored it, especially if someone pointed it out. Besides, if anyone mentioned Canada, the same people who poo-poohed "birthers" with the Kenyan went all Orly Taitz on Cruz.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 08:28:02 AM
@Right_in_Virginia



Okay.  You're starting to think it through.  @roamer_1

Thanks.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 08:31:35 AM
People didn't 'miss' that, they forcibly ignored it, especially if someone pointed it out.

Pointing that out on TOS resulted in that person getting banned.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 08:34:14 AM
   That scares the living $hit out of me Frank, I've seen you on your bad days, Jeez, I'd rather have a rectal examination from  .   .   .   .

YIKES!  Edward Scissorhands became a proctologist?

(https://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/6a160996-da13-43d9-8c43-f305e8a8349d/490cd1bc-d402-46f7-813a-020a60d98292.jpg)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 19, 2017, 09:15:11 AM


@musiclady

Bingo

And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. - Romans 3:8

That is EXACTLY what "evangelical Christian leaders" were saying.  Evil doesn't matter because good will come of it.

 A dangerous, and decidedly unbiblical decision, and I don't believe it is without consequence.....

@Sighlass
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: skeeter on May 19, 2017, 09:25:43 AM
YIKES!  Edward Scissorhands became a proctologist?

(https://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/6a160996-da13-43d9-8c43-f305e8a8349d/490cd1bc-d402-46f7-813a-020a60d98292.jpg)

Not Edward Scissorhands, Johnny Depp. He needs the money.

http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2017/02/johnny-depp-parts-ways-uta-agent
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 09:41:51 AM
And I'd like rainbows and lollipops and sunshine and singing and ponies and ice cream and ..... (https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.6SjsMCyFzloT6Jc4ZcTkuwEsEl)


For your sake and the sake of your family, I do hope you have a Plan B at the ready.  @Hoodat  ....  You're going to need it.

@Right_in_Virginia

For you alone my dear!

"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

Frederick Douglass August 4, 1857

Still as true as the day he said it!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 09:42:44 AM

"Rectal" has been banned? One of these days I have to quit my business so I can be here when this crazy stuff goes down.


to set the record straight..... *****rollingeyes*****

Yesterday, I was making a point that the NT-SOCONS would be an even SMALLER percentage of the Body Politic-Republican Party, and therefore would lose MORE of their power/voice.

....unless they were the "rectum"....a tiny part of the body that has an awful lot to say about how things will run.

And the ONLY reason I made that post was because he called me "garbage boy"



Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 09:45:30 AM
  I'm curious as to how you know this @Right_in_Virginia care to elaborate?

 :smokin:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 09:46:51 AM
to set the record straight..... *****rollingeyes*****

Yesterday, I was making a point that the NT-SOCONS would be an even SMALLER percentage of the Body Politic-Republican Party, and therefore would lose MORE of their power/voice.

....unless they were the "rectum"....a tiny part of the body that has an awful lot to say about how things will run.

And the ONLY reason I made that post was because he called me "garbage boy"
How prescient of you.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 19, 2017, 09:48:19 AM
Just taking advantage of an unlocked "locked" thread that may as well be TBR's version of the TOS Undead Thread.

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/102/691/1298787074140.png)

 :hijack: :hijack: :hijack: :hijack: :dontfeed: :dontfeed:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 09:50:35 AM
How prescient of you.

Thanks for the acknowledgement. 

Stick around....you may actually learn something. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 09:55:15 AM
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: flowers on May 19, 2017, 09:58:13 AM
@flowers, btw...when you go back to TOS and Jim is talking about the new server he needs money for, you might want to ask him what happened to the new server he bought about three years ago.  The site crashed during every one of the 2012 debates, and on election night.  He seemed really excited when he and John bought the thing.

It sure didn't last long....
@CatherineofAragon I have wondered for YEARS where that money goes. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 10:00:33 AM
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 10:01:14 AM
@CatherineofAragon I have wondered for YEARS where that money goes.

@flowers

Well let me end the mystery for you. Much of it goes in Jim's pocket, some goes in John's pocket, and the change that's left over goes to purchase bandwidth and for equipment maintenance/replacement.

Hope that clears things up for you.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 19, 2017, 10:18:31 AM


Quote
Note the time stamps. My remark came after yours.

I get that people will believe their own lies so that they feel better about themselves and why they believe and do certain things.  But when they expect us to believe their lies it's just perplexing and sad and a hassle.  But, good for you for being willing to call them to task.  It takes effort, but is worth it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 19, 2017, 10:21:14 AM
to set the record straight..... *****rollingeyes*****

Yesterday, I was making a point that the NT-SOCONS would be an even SMALLER percentage of the Body Politic-Republican Party, and therefore would lose MORE of their power/voice.

....unless they were the "rectum"....a tiny part of the body that has an awful lot to say about how things will run.

And the ONLY reason I made that post was because he called me "garbage boy"

Was that before or after you advocated emulating Jihadists?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 10:24:14 AM
Was that before or after you advocated emulating Jihadists?

After.

Much after.

Bigly.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 10:26:49 AM

I get that people will believe their own lies so that they feel better about themselves and why they believe and do certain things.  But when they expect us to believe their lies it's just perplexing and sad and a hassle.  But, good for you for being willing to call them to task.  It takes effort, but is worth it.
Thanks, @RoosGirl !  It's human nature to want to remember the other person as at fault, whether they were or not. I had deleted my comment, but it had been snagged for posterity. Even so, it was a response, not a provocation. The time stamps set the record straight.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 10:28:50 AM
@flowers

Well let me end the mystery for you. Much of it goes in Jim's pocket, some goes in John's pocket, and the change that's left over goes to purchase bandwidth and for equipment maintenance/replacement.

Hope that clears things up for you.
You mean they don't even send out for pizza or chinese or something? Cheapskates.  Wow, such austerity!  :silly:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 10:36:04 AM
Was that before or after you advocated emulating Jihadists?

 :whistle:

....against the corporate media.

Not "....beheading women and children".  Not literally tying anyone up and locking them in a trunk.

Growing weary of your shtick.

You should 'see' yourself.

Today, you're tossing the Noob remark around.   But you were the one squealing like a stuck pig, when I used in on your when you first arrived all full of piss and vinegar.   ...telling me the number of posts you have mean nothing.

Then, the other day, who else but @mystery-ak herself, had to tell you to lay off the newcomers and make them feel welcome.

Again, it was you who ran to get in anyone's face who.....

....treated you exactly the way you were treating them.

Look up 'irony'.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 19, 2017, 10:37:59 AM
:whistle:

....against the corporate media.

Not "....beheading women and children".  Not literally tying anyone up and locking them in a trunk.

Growing weary of your shtick.

You should 'see' yourself.

Today, you're tossing the Noob remark around.   But you were the one squealing like a stuck pig, when I used in on your when you first arrived all full of piss and vinegar.   ...telling me the number of posts you have mean nothing.

Then, the other day, who else but @mystery-ak herself, had to tell you to lay off the newcomers and make them feel welcome.

Again, it was you who ran to get in anyone's face who.....

....treated you exactly the way you were treating them.

Look up 'irony'.

And that makes a call for Jihadist style violence different how exactly?

I'd like to see exactly these posts where you allegedly called me a " nOOb".

I had no real interactions with you until I started disagreeing with your cult like fealty to Trump and the nasty things you were saying and continue to say about people that don't worship Trump like you.

"nOOb" never came up in those conversations that I recall.

But hey who am I to burst the bubble on that particular fantasy of yours.

And speaking of fantasy...myst did no such thing  where I'm concerned.

Looks like your imagination is working overtime...yet again.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 10:38:51 AM
:whistle:

....against the corporate media.

Not "....beheading women and children".  Not literally tying anyone up and locking them in a trunk.

Growing weary of your shtick.

You should 'see' yourself.

Today, you're tossing the Noob remark around.   But you were the one squealing like a stuck pig, when I used in on your when you first arrived all full of piss and vinegar.   ...telling me the number of posts you have mean nothing.

Then, the other day, who else but @mystery-ak herself, had to tell you to lay off the newcomers and make them feel welcome.

Again, it was you who ran to get in anyone's face who.....

....treated you exactly the way you were treating them.

Look up 'irony'.
DC, you're a good enough writer that you shouldn't have to be trumpsplaining yourself all over the place. Just tighten up the rhetoric, willya?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 10:39:45 AM
After.

Much after.

Bigly.

    888what
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 10:44:14 AM
DC, you're a good enough writer that you shouldn't have to be trumpsplaining yourself all over the place. Just tighten up the rhetoric, willya?

I write 'on the go'.

I communicate on the forum in a conversational style. Too old to change.

Only even here because I'm sick and tired of all you very intelligent people seemingly unable to grasp hyperbole and nuance, and instead, grab one word, and make a backyard squirrel out it.

Don't much like being the 'prey' around here anymore than you would.

You're all FOS.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 19, 2017, 10:55:38 AM
No worries @CatherineofAragon ... @DCPatriot has a rather full life.   ^-^

@Right_in_Virginia

That wasn't for him, but for anyone he thinks might feel they have "no place to go".
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: XenaLee on May 19, 2017, 11:05:09 AM
You mean they don't even send out for pizza or chinese or something? Cheapskates.  Wow, such austerity!  :silly:

Lol!!!

But.... in their defense... do you have any idea how expensive ordering pizza in California is these days?  And with donations down.....
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Night Hides Not on May 19, 2017, 11:07:40 AM
Lol!!!

But.... in their defense... do you have any idea how expensive ordering pizza in California is these days?  And with donations down.....

There's still two month's worth of accruals to post. Have no fear, they'll be over the top between June 10-15.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 11:13:48 AM
@Right_in_Virginia

That wasn't for him, but for anyone he thinks might feel they have "no place to go".

I don't see how that applies in the context it was used.

My future has an expanded Republican Party, due to the Democratic Party's shift to the Left, fostering division and class identity politics.

It's a gift from God.   And Donald Trump will be the beneficiary.  The shrill SOCON/NT will not be in any position to dictate the platform/agenda.

They can add their two cents just like everybody else.

Where else are they going to go with their vote?   The moderate DEM came running to Donald Trump.   And will continue to do so.

That's what I meant, @CatherineofAragon  ^-^
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 11:19:44 AM
I don't see how that applies in the context it was used.

My future has an expanded Republican Party, due to the Democratic Party's shift to the Left, fostering division and class identity politics.

It's a gift for God.   And Donald Trump will be the beneficiary.  The shrill SOCON/NT will not be in any position to dictate the platform/agenda.

They can add their two cents just like everybody else.

Where else are they going to go with their vote?   The moderate DEM came running to Donald Trump.   And will continue to do so.


And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the recipe of how the GOP was taken over by the Democrat Party and their entire Big Government Agenda accepted as platform policy.

Congratulations.  You have stumbled onto the why of how we arrived at a Uniparty Oligarchy.

Enjoy your swim in Socialism with a bunch of 'R's floating around the pool.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: CatherineofAragon on May 19, 2017, 11:23:11 AM
I don't see how that applies in the context it was used.

My future has an expanded Republican Party, due to the Democratic Party's shift to the Left, fostering division and class identity politics.

It's a gift for God.   And Donald Trump will be the beneficiary.  The shrill SOCON/NT will not be in any position to dictate the platform/agenda.

They can add their two cents just like everybody else.

Where else are they going to go with their vote?   The moderate DEM came running to Donald Trump.   And will continue to do so.

That's what I meant, @CatherineofAragon  ^-^

@DCPatriot

Okay, I see what you meant.   My mistake.   888oops888
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 19, 2017, 11:24:08 AM
And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the recipe of how the GOP was taken over by the Democrat Party and their entire Big Government Agenda accepted as platform policy.

Congratulations.  You have stumbled onto the why of how we arrived at a Uniparty Oligarchy.

Enjoy your swim in Socialism with a bunch of 'R's floating around the pool.

Hey, it's all good as long as we have the illusion of being the ones in power, right?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 11:25:44 AM
I write 'on the go'.

I communicate on the forum in a conversational style. Too old to change.

Only even here because I'm sick and tired of all you very intelligent people seemingly unable to grasp hyperbole and nuance, and instead, grab one word, and make a backyard squirrel out it.

Don't much like being the 'prey' around here anymore than you would.

You're all FOS.
You have a nice day, there, too, peaches. Bless your heart!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 11:29:12 AM
I don't see how that applies in the context it was used.

My future has an expanded Republican Party, due to the Democratic Party's shift to the Left, fostering division and class identity politics.

It's a gift for God.   And Donald Trump will be the beneficiary.  The shrill SOCON/NT will not be in any position to dictate the platform/agenda.

They can add their two cents just like everybody else.

Where else are they going to go with their vote?   The moderate DEM came running to Donald Trump.   And will continue to do so.

That's what I meant, @CatherineofAragon  ^-^

Good post there.  I would only add that the Party needs to make sure they aren't losing people out the back flap of the tent as they bring new ones in.  A classic conundrum, and the danger posed when one starts saying STFU to people who have been loyal to the Party their whole lives (and I'm NOT saying you're doing that...pretty much to the contrary).
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
Good post there.  I would only add that the Party needs to make sure they aren't losing people out the back flap of the tent as they bring new ones in.  A classic conundrum, and the danger posed when one starts saying STFU to people who have been loyal to the Party their whole lives (and I'm NOT saying you're doing that...pretty much to the contrary).

@Cyber Liberty

Far too late for at least one of those! He's gone already and won't be back!

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 11:38:42 AM
And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the recipe of how the GOP was taken over by the Democrat Party and their entire Big Government Agenda accepted as platform policy.

Congratulations.  You have stumbled onto the why of how we arrived at a Uniparty Oligarchy.

Enjoy your swim in Socialism with a bunch of 'R's floating around the pool.

Nonsense, @INVAR

While the Republican Party will get bloated with Blue Dogs, their grown children will witness the economic and defensive improvements as they get ready to vote for the 1st time.

True...the coming amnesty of sorts...whatever...eventually, those 30 million in the shadows will be voting.

They are the new  elusive 'independent" vote....that 20% that could go supposedly either way.

Again, I say, they've been working and living in the shadows but they're not blind either.

My money is on the Republican Party.

A compassionate conservative party when compared to the Communists on the Left.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 11:41:11 AM

Good post there.  I would only add that the Party needs to make sure they aren't losing people out the back flap of the tent as they bring new ones in.  A classic conundrum, and the danger posed when one starts saying STFU to people who have been loyal to the Party their whole lives (and I'm NOT saying you're doing that...pretty much to the contrary).


Thank you.   ^-^
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 11:43:39 AM
And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the recipe of how the GOP was taken over by the Democrat Party and their entire Big Government Agenda accepted as platform policy.

Congratulations.  You have stumbled onto the why of how we arrived at a Uniparty Oligarchy.

Enjoy your swim in Socialism with a bunch of 'R's floating around the pool.
@INVAR  @Bigun But... didn't you see, we're the ones "FOS" (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=post;quote=1328373;topic=263143.650;last_msg=1328463). You are entirely right, that's how we got here, and there are those good with that. No wonder they 'don't need our support or want our support'. They're democrats, they just don't know it yet.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
@INVAR  @Bigun But... didn't you see, we're the ones "FOS" (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=post;quote=1328373;topic=263143.650;last_msg=1328463). You are entirely right, that's how we got here, and there are those good with that. No wonder they 'don't need our support or want our support'. They're democrats, they just don't know it yet.

{{{{{{{{{Sigh!!!}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 11:57:03 AM
{{{{{{{{{Sigh!!!}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
I'm fresh out of olive branches. Time to cut down the trunk and start swinging it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 11:58:26 AM
I'm fresh out of olive branches. Time to cut down the trunk and start swinging it.
:amen: :amen: and  :amen:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 12:23:35 PM
@Right_in_Virginia

That wasn't for him, but for anyone he thinks might feel they have "no place to go".

Thanks @CatherineofAragon
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 12:45:00 PM
Nonsense, @INVAR

While the Republican Party will get bloated with Blue Dogs, their grown children will witness the economic and defensive improvements as they get ready to vote for the 1st time.

True...the coming amnesty of sorts...whatever...eventually, those 30 million in the shadows will be voting.

They are the new  elusive 'independent" vote....that 20% that could go supposedly either way.

Again, I say, they've been working and living in the shadows but they're not blind either.

My money is on the Republican Party.

A compassionate conservative party when compared to the Communists on the Left.

Proof that dreams of utopia don't just live within the Democrat party.

Good luck with all that, considering the principles you and your pro-Trump compatriots have sh*t on have no place in your party.

Oh.... you added the 'Compassionate Conservative' to the recipe. 

We saw what that really meant with Bush.

Enjoy your new "moderate" Democrat Party.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 12:54:16 PM
Proof that dreams of utopia don't just live within the Democrat party.

Good luck with all that, considering the principles you and your pro-Trump compatriots have sh*t on have no place in your party.

Oh.... you added the 'Compassionate Conservative' to the recipe. 

We saw what that really meant with Bush.

Enjoy your new "moderate" Democrat Party.

If the alternative Party is a National Worker's Socialist....I certainly will.   

I live in 'Realville'.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 19, 2017, 12:55:40 PM
@DCPatriot

Okay, I see what you meant.   My mistake.   888oops888

 :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 01:04:29 PM
If the alternative Party is a National Worker's Socialist....I certainly will.   

I live in 'Realville'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9alville (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9alville)

Well, that explains a lot.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 01:05:55 PM
If the alternative Party is a National Worker's Socialist....I certainly will.   

I live in 'Realville'.

And in five years you will get the pleasure of making a binary choice between either Mao's Party or Mussolini's Party.

Have fun... in "Realville".
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 01:53:31 PM
@Right_in_Virginia

For you alone my dear!


I'll say again ... I agree with the basic conservative principles:  minimal government interference, a return to Federalism, a strong national and global defense, including law and order at home and defined, protected borders.  I am for freedom of speech, for all opinions, the elimination of protected classes of citizenship, and a slaying of the victim mentality and a return to personal responsibility (although I don't know how we legislate this).  On social issues, I stand firmly behind the rights of the unborn. 

The other social issues ... I am not inclined to fight.  Fighting gives them a spotlight and prestige they do not deserve. These other social issues are not a political battle worth more blood and deeper isolation.  We should teach our children, set an example-- but not demand a candidate support part of the government's role is to enforce our personal beliefs--as deeply held at they may be.   

I think everything that was listed in the post I responded to is the endgame---hence my rainbows and lollipops reply.  There is no magic wand or magic candidate to bring all that about. 

But it was Donald Trump, not Ted Cruz, not Jeb Bush, not Rand Paul, not Marco Rubio, not Ben Carson, not Chris Christie, not John Kasich, not Carly Fiorina, not Scott Walker, not Lindsey Graham, not Bobby Jindal, not Rick Santorum, not Mike Huckabee, not George Pataki and not Jim Gilmore - - -  who figured out a way to get us back on the field and in the game

"Conservatives" can hate the coach, even hate the ones who support him, but that's not a good enough reason not to pull with the team and help the President win as many games as we can.

So, please, enough with the demands for conservative purity and immediate results.  Enough with holding on to a hurt from nearly a year ago.  It was politics.  If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 02:00:05 PM
I'll say again ... I agree with the basic conservative principles:  minimal government interference, a return to Federalism, a strong national and global defense, including law and order at home and defined, protected borders.  I am for freedom of speech, for all opinions, the elimination of protected classes of citizenship, and a slaying of the victim mentality and a return to personal responsibility (although I don't know how we legislate this).  On social issues, I stand firmly behind the rights of the unborn. 

The other social issues ... I am not inclined to fight.  Fighting gives them a spotlight and prestige they do not deserve. These other social issues are not a political battle worth more blood and deeper isolation.  We should teach our children, set an example-- but not demand a candidate support part of the government's role is to enforce our personal beliefs--as deeply held at they may be.   

I think everything that was listed in the post I responded to is the endgame---hence my rainbows and lollipops reply.  There is no magic wand or magic candidate to bring all that about. 

But it was Donald Trump, not Ted Cruz, not Jeb Bush, not Rand Paul, not Marco Rubio, not Ben Carson, not Chris Christie, not John Kasich, not Carly Fiorina, not Scott Walker, not Lindsey Graham, not Bobby Jindal, not Rick Santorum, not Mike Huckabee, not George Pataki and not Jim Gilmore - - -  who figured out a way to get us back on the field and in the game

"Conservatives" can hate the coach, even hate the ones who support him, but that's not a good enough reason not to pull with the team and help the President win as many games as we can.

So, please, enough with the demands for conservative purity and immediate results.  Enough with holding on to a hurt from nearly a year ago.  It was politics.  If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.

@Right_in_Virginia

For as long as Trump continues to move the ball toward those conservative ideals I'm all in!  The instant he signs on to something like single payer health insurance I run like hell for the exit!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 19, 2017, 02:15:21 PM

@Right_in_Virginia

It was politics.  If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. 

Two way street there RIV!!!!    Who is the one whining about witch hunts?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 19, 2017, 02:29:30 PM
Two way street there RIV!!!!    Who is the one whining about witch hunts?

What the hell is wrong with calling a witch hunt a witch hunt?  Do you deny that Trump is the subject of a witch hunt - deliberate action to try to force him from the Presidency?   That's sure as hell what it looks like to me.

What you espouse is the classic tactic of a bully -  harass your victim and then,  when the victim complains, attack the victim as a whiner.   

It is not whining to point out that one is being bullied.   The left and far too many conservatives are trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election.  Kudos to the President for calling it by its rightful name.  And shame on you for coming on like a moral pygmy.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 02:35:50 PM
@Right_in_Virginia

For as long as Trump continues to move the ball toward those conservative ideals I'm all in!  The instant he signs on to something like single payer health insurance I run like hell for the exit!

Fair enough!   :beer:

@Bigun
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 02:37:11 PM
Two way street there RIV!!!!    Who is the one whining about witch hunts?

Your question has nothing to do with my post.  :seeya:

@catfish1957
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: catfish1957 on May 19, 2017, 02:51:30 PM
Your question has nothing to do with my post.  :seeya:

@catfish1957

@Right_in_Virginia

Keep telling your self that.   When it is someone else suffers arrows in the political realm besides the Orange leader, it is kitchen heat or  butt hurt.   Turn it back around on his orangeness, who has gone into full "whine" mode.....well   all the sudden it doesn't become releavant.   You're pretty funny lady.   :silly:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
"Conservatives" can hate the coach, even hate the ones who support him, but that's not a good enough reason not to pull with the team and help the President win as many games as we can.

So, please, enough with the demands for conservative purity and immediate results.  Enough with holding on to a hurt from nearly a year ago.  It was politics.  If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.

mere Republcan-ism
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 19, 2017, 03:12:38 PM
And in five years you will get the pleasure of making a binary choice between either Mao's Party or Mussolini's Party.

Have fun... in "Realville".
Another 'over-the-top' generalization.

You never hit the nail squarely.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: INVAR on May 19, 2017, 03:16:36 PM

"Conservatives" can hate the coach, even hate the ones who support him, but that's not a good enough reason not to pull with the team and help the President win as many games as we can.

Just more proof that to you people, this is all just another sporting event to rah-rah and cheer for and get blood pressure invested.

Your team sucks, and we're done following it.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 19, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
I'll say again ... I agree with the basic conservative principles:  minimal government interference, a return to Federalism, a strong national and global defense, including law and order at home and defined, protected borders.  I am for freedom of speech, for all opinions, the elimination of protected classes of citizenship, and a slaying of the victim mentality and a return to personal responsibility (although I don't know how we legislate this).  On social issues, I stand firmly behind the rights of the unborn. 

The other social issues ... I am not inclined to fight.  Fighting gives them a spotlight and prestige they do not deserve. These other social issues are not a political battle worth more blood and deeper isolation.  We should teach our children, set an example-- but not demand a candidate support part of the government's role is to enforce our personal beliefs--as deeply held at they may be.   

I think everything that was listed in the post I responded to is the endgame---hence my rainbows and lollipops reply.  There is no magic wand or magic candidate to bring all that about. 

But it was Donald Trump, not Ted Cruz, not Jeb Bush, not Rand Paul, not Marco Rubio, not Ben Carson, not Chris Christie, not John Kasich, not Carly Fiorina, not Scott Walker, not Lindsey Graham, not Bobby Jindal, not Rick Santorum, not Mike Huckabee, not George Pataki and not Jim Gilmore - - -  who figured out a way to get us back on the field and in the game

"Conservatives" can hate the coach, even hate the ones who support him, but that's not a good enough reason not to pull with the team and help the President win as many games as we can.

So, please, enough with the demands for conservative purity and immediate results.  Enough with holding on to a hurt from nearly a year ago.  It was politics.  If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.

You "legislate" personal responsibilty by ending gov't incentive for being irresponsible.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 19, 2017, 03:23:52 PM
You "legislate" personal responsibilty by ending gov't incentive for being irresponsible.

YES!!!!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 19, 2017, 03:29:50 PM
YES!!!!

But neither the dems nor repubs are interested in doing that because then people will think they're just a bunch of meanies and won't vote for them.  And the false conservatives here will never stand for that because then their guy won't be "in power".  No matter if he really is interested in forwarding conservative principles or not.  This is Republicanism, not conservatism.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 03:52:12 PM
You "legislate" personal responsibilty by ending gov't incentive for being irresponsible.

Sounds simple.   Which incentive would you start with?  @RoosGirl   And then what should be next?

Thanks.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 03:53:00 PM
You "legislate" personal responsibilty by ending gov't incentive for being irresponsible.

CORRECTAMUNDO!

The fact that their side is ignorant of this basic truth illustrates clearly that they are enemies of Conservatism.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 03:55:02 PM
Sounds simple.   Which incentive would you start with?  @RoosGirl   And then what should be next?

Thanks.

First thing, stop giving food stamps to fat people.  Duh.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 03:56:48 PM
You "legislate" personal responsibilty by ending gov't incentive for being irresponsible.



Most intelligent statement I have read on this website today.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 04:02:05 PM
mere Republcan-ism

So what? @roamer_1 ... Are you going to let "Republican" prevent you from being heard?  Having a chance at governing?  Maybe even winning the big prize some day?

You're not big enough for a team in the majors ... you've got to join one. 

Or maybe not.  Maybe all this whining and bit*^hing and lashing out in fear and anger works for you and is enough for you.   

Whatever  :shrug:   

It's your choice.  Live long and prosper.   
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 04:03:10 PM


Most intelligent statement I have read on this website today.   

Where do you start @DiogenesLamp ?  Where do you stop?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
But neither the dems nor repubs are interested in doing that because then people will think they're just a bunch of meanies and won't vote for them. 



And why would the American Public think they are a bunch of meanies?    Could it have to do with the Histrionic repetitious propaganda which the New York Liberal Democrat Controlled Broadcasting systems would start cranking out at volume level 11?   


Could it be that public opinion is being driven by a Trillion dollar broadcasting system in the hands of Wealthy Liberals in New York and Los Angeles?   


It's a machine,  and if you aren't afraid of it,  you simply don't understand what it has the power to do.


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 04:03:25 PM


Most intelligent statement I have read on this website today.   

It's been said a multitude of times previously!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 04:04:14 PM
CORRECTAMUNDO!

The fact that their side is ignorant of this basic truth illustrates clearly that they are enemies of Conservatism.

Who are the enemies of Conservatism @Hoodat ?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 04:10:07 PM
Sounds simple.   Which incentive would you start with?  @RoosGirl   And then what should be next?

Thanks.


You are asking how we get back to where we ought to be from here?    That's a good question.   Most of my understanding of the situation tells me it ain't gonna happen; that it isn't even possible; That we are doomed to economic and social collapse.   



But if I was to take a stab at how it might be possible to get back to where we should be,  the first thing I would say we need to do is to go to war with the existing media/propaganda system. 



We aren't ever going to fix anything so long as we have no voice which reaches the public. 

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 04:11:34 PM
First thing, stop giving food stamps to fat people.  Duh.


Non starter.   The people who get the incentives will vote against you,  so this approach is stymied. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 04:13:53 PM
Who are the enemies of Conservatism @Hoodat ?

Well, you have your usual suspects, hardline communist and other assorted Democrats.  But ghat is expected.  Far worse though are the Bill Bolling types who claim themselves to be Conservatives while at the same time demanding that real Conservatives abandon their Conservative values for political expediency - people such as yourself.  Because if you can't  even get on board with getting government the hell out of the health insurance industry, then that makes you an enemy of Conservatism.  Capisce?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 04:15:03 PM

Non starter.   The people who get the incentives will vote against you,  so this approach is stymied.

Yup.  There's a famous quote about what happens to a Democracy when people figure out they can vote themselves largess out of the Treasury.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 04:15:30 PM

Non starter.   The people who get the incentives will vote against you,  so this approach is stymied.


Of course there is the alternative approach - go full Democrat.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 04:16:28 PM
Where do you start @DiogenesLamp ?  Where do you stop?


Both good questions.   If we somehow manage to steamroller over the entrenched powers that created this existing system,   how will we have sufficient self control to stop this thing from going too far?   


But obviously the first problem is how do we roll over the entrenched powers that built this and like it the way it is now?   


Media.   We take over the Media.   We destroy their media,  and replace it with our media,  and we keep hammering at them and discrediting them until we win the propaganda war.   


The Media system is the lynchpin of Federal elections in this nation,  and there is a very good reason why it is headquartered in New York.   


It serves the interests of the people who control it,  and most of them live in the North East.




Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 04:18:09 PM
Yup.  There's a famous quote about what happens to a Democracy when people figure out they can vote themselves largess out of the Treasury.


And this is exactly what killed the original Greek "Democracy." 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2017, 04:19:06 PM
It's been said a multitude of times previously!

Then, maybe you can tell me @Bigun the government incentive you remove first ... and when you know you've removed enough.

These are serious questions.  I've heard this talking point for years, Bigun. It's been throw out by anyone trying to claim the Reagan mantle to a near orgasmic reception by SOME conservatives.   It's not new.  And since it's always DOA, it's really not intelligent to keep pushing for the same failed approach.

No one else is even listening.  Maybe explaining what you would remove and when you would stop would go a long way to changing this.

If this matters to you.   :shrug:

Thanks.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 04:19:53 PM

Of course there is the alternative approach - go full Democrat.


You are going to have to explain further what you mean by this.    Are you saying "Give up and join the inevitable team."   Or something?  "Get what you can while there is still blood to be sucked out of this America?"   


Not sure what you are trying to say here.





Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 04:20:26 PM
So what? @roamer_1 ... Are you going to let "Republican" prevent you from being heard?  Having a chance at governing?  Maybe even winning the big prize some day?

@Right_in_Virginia
No, after 27 years as a staunch Republican, and ten years since I have removed myself from them... Having in all that time seen *BUPKIS* in the way of advancement of the Conservative cause, in spite of lip service given over and over as some sort of inane guarantee, I have become well inured to faithless promises and the stench of Republican cheer leading.

Fecklessness and betrayal. *SPIT*

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You're not big enough for a team in the majors ... you've got to join one. 

Then all is already lost, and there is no point in joining, or otherwise, see above.

However, I do not believe you. Not that it matters, as if I were but a team of one, it would not change my position at all.

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Or maybe not.  Maybe all this whining and bit*^hing and lashing out in fear and anger works for you and is enough for you.   

There is no fear in me. Or even anger. Only deadly purpose.
The truth will out.
And when it does, there will be no excuse, as those who witness to the truth have declared it all along.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 19, 2017, 04:23:06 PM
Sounds simple.   Which incentive would you start with?  @RoosGirl   And then what should be next?

Thanks.

No idea what order things should be in, but I'm sure some smart economists could figure out the path of least misery.  I don't say it's simple and I don't say it's easy.  I imagine a weaning off period would be needed; food stamps, cell phones, social security, unemployment, etc. 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 04:26:11 PM
1.  End all tax credits.  If you don't pay the tax you don't get jack.

2.  Place a 5-year limit on welfare.  If you get off welfare, then you can start paying the government back to build your limit back up.

3.  Stop rewarding single mothers for being single mothers.

4.  End the SS ponzi scheme and replace it with actual investment.

5.  End the government student loan monopoly.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
Then, maybe you can tell me @Bigun the government incentive you remove first ... and when you know you've removed enough.

These are serious questions.  I've heard this talking point for years, Bigun. It's been throw out by anyone trying to claim the Reagan mantle to a near orgasmic reception by SOME conservatives.   It's not new.  And since it's always DOA, it's really not intelligent to keep pushing for the same failed approach.

No one else is even listening.  Maybe explaining what you would remove and when you would stop would go a long way to changing this.

If this matters to you.   :shrug:

Thanks.

@Right_in_Virginia @RoosGirl

Of course! We actually made a very good start on it under Clinton when he was dragged kicking and screaming to genuine welfare reform and you will note that the FIRST thing the left did when they got back in power was to reverse those reforms!  Hell the entire Obama agenda was about reversing those reforms!

We have now three generations of people who have become totally dependent on uncle sugar for their daily bread and reversing that will not be easy. No one has ever heard me say otherwise but there are MANY things that can and should be done. #1 on my list would be to stop the practice of having more illegitimate babies simply in order to get a bigger check from uncle sugar!  #2 would be to tighten WAY up on what you can and cannot buy with food stamps...

The list is LONG! Too long for me to pound out here!
 
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: RoosGirl on May 19, 2017, 04:31:22 PM
It's not new.  And since it's always DOA, it's really not intelligent to keep pushing for the same failed approach.


To me, this attitude is just handwringing and whining by people who are too lazy or don't have the backbone to stand up and do the right thing; the same people who are afraid of being called meanies for laying some tough love out.  They're cowards for being willing to allow the can to be kicked down the road and letting someone else reap the consequences when the bottom finally does fall out.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 04:36:08 PM
To me, this attitude is just handwringing and whining by people who are too lazy or don't have the backbone to stand up and do the right thing; the same people who are afraid of being called meanies for laying some tough love out.  They're cowards for being willing to allow the can to be kicked down the road and letting someone else reap the consequences when the bottom finally does fall out.

Amen to that!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 04:38:24 PM
#1 on my list would be to stop the practice of having more illegitimate babies simply in order to get a bigger check from uncle sugar! 

 :thumbsup3:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mom MD on May 19, 2017, 04:43:13 PM

And I would throw out citizenship for anchor babies   That would stop the one infant born here from    becoming a free ticket for 3 generations of relatives getting to stay in the US and hop on the taxpayer gravy train
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 04:47:36 PM
And I would throw out citizenship for anchor babies   That would stop the one infant born here from    becoming a free ticket for 3 generations of relatives getting to stay in the US and hop on the taxpayer gravy train

That is an issue that needs fighting out in court.  I firmly believe that the children of non citizens who happen to be born on our soil are not automatically citizens today.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 04:50:29 PM
And I would throw out citizenship for anchor babies   That would stop the one infant born here from    becoming a free ticket for 3 generations of relatives getting to stay in the US and hop on the taxpayer gravy train

right.

But it boils down, and always will boil down, to repenting of this absurd and unsustainable lifestyle.
Laws are made for the lawless. laws are always control. the more laws, the more control. That is why decadence leads invariably to tyranny.


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 19, 2017, 04:52:39 PM
right.

But it boils down, and always will boil down, to repenting of this absurd and unsustainable lifestyle.
Laws are made for the lawless. laws are always control. the more laws, the more control. That is why decadence leads invariably to tyranny.

The more laws, the more loopholes. The more loopholes, the more lawyers. The more lawyers, the less personal responsibility.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
1.  End all tax credits.  If you don't pay the tax you don't get jack.

2.  Place a 5-year limit on welfare.  If you get off welfare, then you can start paying the government back to build your limit back up.

3.  Stop rewarding single mothers for being single mothers.

4.  End the SS ponzi scheme and replace it with actual investment.

5.  End the government student loan monopoly.


And which one of these are you going to be able to get through the Congress and get the President to sign? 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 04:58:10 PM

You are going to have to explain further what you mean by this.    Are you saying "Give up and join the inevitable team."

Uh, no.  That's what you are saying.  I'll stick to what I believe in instead of embracing Democrat values because it gets me elected.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 04:59:09 PM

And which one of these are you going to be able to get through the Congress and get the President to sign?

With Trump, none.  But then Trump isn't a Conservative.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 04:59:29 PM
That is an issue that needs fighting out in court.  I firmly believe that the children of non citizens who happen to be born on our soil are not automatically citizens today.

You make an interesting point there, @Bigun.  Much of the trouble we have today with policy is a result of court decisions.  Many attempts to remedy the problems have been thwarted by other court decisions.  President Trump can't turn around without having his decisions set aside by courts, on legal grounds that should never have been even considered ("Well, he said such-and-such in the campaign, so obviously the policy is racist!").

Until the courts are placed back in their proper place in the system, and no longer be considered a super legislature, we will never get things fixed.  It's too easy for a guy in a robe on a bench to become a petty tyrant.  He has every incentive to go wild.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 04:59:45 PM
The more laws, the more loopholes. The more loopholes, the more lawyers. The more lawyers, the less personal responsibility.

Also true.
The only way forward is to return to what works... here, for 200 years, and over by you, for far, far longer than that.
All the spun up sophistry in the world will not change the fact.

"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it" -Santayana
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:00:15 PM

And which one of these are you going to be able to get through the Congress and get the President to sign?

It doesn't matter.  The courts will simply overturn any law we care to pass.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 05:00:23 PM
Uh, no.  That's what you are saying.  I'll stick to what I believe in instead of embracing Democrat values because it gets me elected.


You didn't explain further what you meant by your comment,   you simply took a potshot at me.   


I didn't embrace Democrat values,  (They have values?)  I simply did everything I could to make sure the evil Hillary cup passed before me.   


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 05:01:20 PM
With Trump, none.  But then Trump isn't a Conservative.


Neither is congress,  so whence your ideas?   


Could we perhaps ask that you suggest ideas which are possible? 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 05:01:33 PM
You make an interesting point there, @Bigun.  Much of the trouble we have today with policy is a result of court decisions.  Many attempts to remedy the problems have been thwarted by other court decisions.  President Trump can't turn around without having his decisions set aside by courts, on legal grounds that should never have been even considered ("Well, he said such-and-such in the campaign, so obviously the policy is racist!").

Until the courts are placed back in their proper place in the system, and no longer be considered a super legislature, we will never get things fixed.  It's too easy for a guy in a robe on a bench to become a petty tyrant.  He has every incentive to go wild.
:amen:  :beer:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 05:03:35 PM
You make an interesting point there, @Bigun.  Much of the trouble we have today with policy is a result of court decisions.  Many attempts to remedy the problems have been thwarted by other court decisions.  President Trump can't turn around without having his decisions set aside by courts, on legal grounds that should never have been even considered ("Well, he said such-and-such in the campaign, so obviously the policy is racist!").

Until the courts are placed back in their proper place in the system, and no longer be considered a super legislature, we will never get things fixed.  It's too easy for a guy in a robe on a bench to become a petty tyrant.  He has every incentive to go wild.


And how do you fix this?   You appoint non-kook judges.    You have to have a President willing to appoint Non-Kook Judges,   and in the case between Trump and Hillary,  it is clear which one was more likely to appoint non-kook judges. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 05:04:25 PM
It doesn't matter.  The courts will simply overturn any law we care to pass.


It wouldn't even get that far.   You couldn't have gotten the congress to pass any of those submitted ideas. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 05:05:01 PM

Neither is congress,  so whence your ideas?   


Could we perhaps ask that you suggest ideas which are possible?

All are possible when we elect Conservatives.  Unfortunately, that didn't happen this last Presidential election.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 19, 2017, 05:06:53 PM

Neither is congress,  so whence your ideas?   


Could we perhaps ask that you suggest ideas which are possible?

Better yet start with the measures that Trump campaigned for. Get as much of that done as possible.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:11:15 PM

And how do you fix this?   You appoint non-kook judges.    You have to have a President willing to appoint Non-Kook Judges,   and in the case between Trump and Hillary,  it is clear which one was more likely to appoint non-kook judges.

Every man who gets on a court can become a kook Judge.  Lord Acton's rule applies.  The power of the courts must be curtailed, because no matter what person you put in the robe, eventually he will expand his tyranny to fit the available power.

Congress is the only body that can put limits on the courts by limiting their jurisdiction, and Congress isn't willing to do that for the same reason they won't rein in zealous bureaucrats:  They rely on the courts and bureaucrats to do the things Congress wants without Congress taking any of the blame.  Long story short, Congressmen are incentivized to be chickens.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 05:12:05 PM
All are possible when we elect Conservatives.  Unfortunately, that didn't happen this last Presidential election.

@Hoodat my friend it matters who we elect but until we deal with the problem spoken of in the article linked below it won't matter much.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/21955000-12329000-government-employees-outnumber-manufacturing
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:12:31 PM

It wouldn't even get that far.   You couldn't have gotten the congress to pass any of those submitted ideas.

I'm not about to disagree with you on that, because I'm your fellow traveler in that.  See my post above.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 05:13:48 PM

And which one of these are you going to be able to get through the Congress and get the President to sign?
Two and five. The idea of 'workfare' has been breached before to reduce endless dependency and return welfare to a safety net and not a vocation. Five years gets the one in the crib to preschool or Kindergarten. Then its time for mom to get (back?) to work. If she needs to update/improve her skill set, there are five years to do that through adult ed/GED and community college programs.

Student loans: get the government out. The bankers would love a source of income, open it up to private investment and you'll do away with six year four year degrees in 'studies' programs that have very limited employment potential. I'm not saying to let the banks choose majors, but let them set interest rates and let loans based on the probability of repayment, much like the sort of risk assessment insurance companies. Engineering? High GPA? lower rates. Grievance studies? Low GPA? higher rates. This would encourage STEM studies, and better scholarship, which lead to better jobs and salaries more likely for the bank to get paid back.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 05:15:13 PM
All are possible when we elect Conservatives.



That is not happening,  and has not been happening for quite some time.   What do you propose to do to make such a thing happen?   Remember,  you can't enact any of your suggestions till *AFTER*   you get the election of Conservatives to happen.   


Do you not see the systemic flaws in your approach? 








 Unfortunately, that didn't happen this last Presidential election.


And of course your message would not be complete without some form of a backhanded slap at the people with whom you disagree on the sensibility of voting for Trump over Hillary.   


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 05:16:46 PM
Better yet start with the measures that Trump campaigned for. Get as much of that done as possible.



Yes.   If you can't make big sweeping bites into the problem,   make whatever bites you can. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 05:18:21 PM
Every man who gets on a court can become a kook Judge.  Lord Acton's rule applies.  The power of the courts must be curtailed, because no matter what person you put in the robe, eventually he will expand his tyranny to fit the available power.

Congress is the only body that can put limits on the courts by limiting their jurisdiction, and Congress isn't willing to do that for the same reason they won't rein in zealous bureaucrats:  They rely on the courts and bureaucrats to do the things Congress wants without Congress taking any of the blame.  Long story short, Congressmen are incentivized to be chickens.



Media.   It is a constant left wing wind blowing against the politics of the nation,   and till it is addressed,  we will continue to blow in that direction. 

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:20:29 PM


Media.   It is a constant left wing wind blowing against the politics of the nation,   and till it is addressed,  we will continue to blow in that direction.

Not gonna argue with that, either.   :amen:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 05:24:54 PM
Two and five. The idea of 'workfare' has been breached before to reduce endless dependency and return welfare to a safety net and not a vocation. Five years gets the one in the crib to preschool or Kindergarten. Then its time for mom to get (back?) to work. If she needs to update/improve her skill set, there are five years to do that through adult ed/GED and community college programs.


The time when that approach would have worked I think is now past.   We have a different set of demographics than we did in 1995,   and so I don't think you could get work fare through congress today.





Student loans: get the government out. The bankers would love a source of income, open it up to private investment and you'll do away with six year four year degrees in 'studies' programs that have very limited employment potential. I'm not saying to let the banks choose majors, but let them set interest rates and let loans based on the probability of repayment, much like the sort of risk assessment insurance companies. Engineering? High GPA? lower rates. Grievance studies? Low GPA? higher rates. This would encourage STEM studies, and better scholarship, which lead to better jobs and salaries more likely for the bank to get paid back.


This is a more plausible idea.   Of all the ones mentioned,  this is the closest to possible,   but I still think the current congress wouldn't do it,  and would claim to not even see the need to do it. 


But we can nibble at this apple several different ways,   and I think we need to do some of that. 


Texas' efforts to create a $10,000.00 degree program is exactly the sort of thing we need to be doing.   Also credentializing the Khan Academy and others like it would take some of the money out of "Higher"  education.


The Selling of credentials at exorbitant prices is a long ongoing scam in this nation,  and we need to be draining the profit out of it. 

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 05:25:17 PM
It took more than a half century for LBJ'S "great society" to bring us to this point and will take at least half that long to correct even if a concerted effort is undertaken to do it.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 05:26:22 PM
That is not happening,  and has not been happening for quite some time.   What do you propose to do to make such a thing happen?   Remember,  you can't enact any of your suggestions till *AFTER*   you get the election of Conservatives to happen.

Uh, no, I'm not falling for that non-rational BS.  The question was in regarding the Conservative approach to dissuading irresponsible behavior.  It is disingenuous to support liberal Republicans at the expense of Conservative ones, and then criticize Conservative Republicans for not being in position to enact Conservative legislation.

You supported Trump.  You got what you paid for.  You told Conservatives you didn't need us.  So live with it.  I've told you what Conservatives should do.  You clearly reject it.  So enjoy your future as Democrat-lite.  By next election, the voters will figure it out and go for the real thing instead of the imitation.  And you will again be blaming Conservatives because they didn't want to sell their souls for short-lived political expediency.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 05:27:55 PM

Do you not see the systemic flaws in your approach? 


Yes, the systemic flaw is in repeatedly doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

Republicans.

Better to begin again elsewhere, with those who would actually fulfill their promises.
Where the party platform actually means something.
And where candidates actually believe in their causes.

In my vast experience, you will get *nothing* from the GOP.
And you will get nothing from Trump.

Relying upon people absent of character will never yield results
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 19, 2017, 05:29:23 PM
It took more than a half century for LBJ'S "great society" to bring us to this point and will take at least half that long to correct even if a concerted effort is undertaken to do it.

The problem is that Trump's popularity and successful election proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that not even Republicans want to correct the vile actions and consequences of LBJ's "great society."

We are in a tiny minority here, and the majority of Republicans are scoffing at us because we still believe what we believed 50 years ago.

I don't know how we right this ship with the mentality we see in Trump's supporters.....
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 05:29:44 PM

And how do you fix this?   You appoint non-kook judges.    You have to have a President willing to appoint Non-Kook Judges,   and in the case between Trump and Hillary,  it is clear which one was more likely to appoint non-kook judges.
There is an alternative, but it requires catching federal judges performing acts which can lead to their impeachment. I would guess that the Judges who rendeer the most liberal decisions may do so because of their sympathy with those committing the acts against the laws they place a stay upon.
 
Whether that sympathy crosses the line into actual illegal behaviour on their part is the question, and if it does, that may be cause for impeachment, especially if proven behaviour prior to placing a stay on any given law or executive order antedates the stay, and occurs within the time the law is in effect.

For all practical purposes, stopping a law from being enforced because they (or someone who is related, or with whom there is a fiscal or other connection) have broken the law could be an avenue of approach.  It is difficult, however to prove that situation, but if so, that may be a battle plan.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: truth_seeker on May 19, 2017, 05:32:07 PM


Yes.   If you can't make big sweeping bites into the problem,   make whatever bites you can.
That is what voters in effect, authorized. Do that, they see results, then move to other items.

Customer walks in, says I want a car. You don't veer off and try to sell them a hot air balloon, pumped full of rhetoric and philosophy.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 05:33:19 PM

And how do you fix this?   You appoint non-kook judges.    You have to have a President willing to appoint Non-Kook Judges,   and in the case between Trump and Hillary,  it is clear which one was more likely to appoint non-kook judges.

There are currently 120 vacancies on the Federal Bench.  How many has Trump filled?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:36:45 PM
It took more than a half century for LBJ'S "great society" to bring us to this point and will take at least half that long to correct even if a concerted effort is undertaken to do it.

I don't know if it's possible, given an infinite amount of time and effort.

We've reached a point where the Gibsmedat crowd can outvote the producers at will.  That's why I felt physically ill after the 2012 election, because I knew that we'd passed the tipping point where the people figured out they could just vote themselves cash from the government pot.

It's why this form of government is only workable with a moral population.  People will resist looting the treasury only if their morals prohibit theft, and there are far too many people now perfectly happy to live off the earnings of others by stealing it, using government as the agent of force.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
There is an alternative, but it requires catching federal judges performing acts which can lead to their impeachment. I would guess that the Judges who rendeer the most liberal decisions may do so because of their sympathy with those committing the acts against the laws they place a stay upon.
 
Whether that sympathy crosses the line into actual illegal behaviour on their part is the question, and if it does, that may be cause for impeachment, especially if proven behaviour prior to placing a stay on any given law or executive order antedates the stay, and occurs within the time the law is in effect.

For all practical purposes, stopping a law from being enforced because they (or someone who is related, or with whom there is a fiscal or other connection) have broken the law could be an avenue of approach.  It is difficult, however to prove that situation, but if so, that may be a battle plan.

At base it is the responsibility of congress and just as @Cyber Liberty has already stated, until they decide to exercise the powers granted them by the Constitution  there is little that can be done outside of continuing to elect presidents who will appoint good judges,

The reason congress is unwilling to do their jobs is that most of them are lawyers first and would love to become either a K street lobbyist or a judge upon their retirment from congres.
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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 05:42:11 PM


Yes.   If you can't make big sweeping bites into the problem,   make whatever bites you can.
Those bites are listed elsewhere on this forum. There were roughly 80 promises, some of which are a good idea, some of which are not. Unfortunately, in the midst of all the Russian kerfuffle Tillerson signed onto what amounts to a committment to the Paris Accords, and the ethanol mandate will be kept. Despite appointing an EPA chief who doesn't believe in AGW, Tillerson's actions effectively negate much of the potential progress that can be made.

Ethanol will continue destroying small engines where people haven't figured out how to get it out of the fuel and can't get ethanol free fuel. Some form of cap and trade remains a possibility. There is little advantage to building oil pipelines when the very market comes under attack by the same administration's actions.
As far as I am concerned, Gorsuch is the salient accomplishment, and the jury is still out on how he will rule.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
I don't know if it's possible, given an infinite amount of time and effort.

We've reached a point where the Gibsmedat crowd can outvote the producers at will.  That's why I felt physically ill after the 2012 election, because I knew that we'd passed the tipping point where the people figured out they could just vote themselves cash from the government pot.

It's why this form of government is only workable with a moral population.  People will resist looting the treasury only if their morals prohibit theft, and there are far too many people now perfectly happy to live off the earnings of others by stealing it, using government as the agent of force.

You may well be right but I believe the effort must be made never - the - less.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 05:45:42 PM
The reason congress is unwilling to do their jobs is that most of them are lawyers first and would love to become either a K street lobbyist or a judge upon their retirement from congress.

We need to close down the Congressional office buildings and allow for Congressional offices to be placed inside each Congressman' Congressional district, and Senate offices in their corresponding State capital.  They can use Webex to cast votes.  No more K-street.  No more influence.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: corbe on May 19, 2017, 05:46:09 PM
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 05:46:43 PM

The time when that approach would have worked I think is now past.   We have a different set of demographics than we did in 1995,   and so I don't think you could get work fare through congress today.
I think it could still fly, but it has to be packaged right. It has to be sold as benefiting the minority and other communities which are the recipients, and cannot ever be allowed to be portrayed as a racial issue, because the fiscal solvency of the nation isn't a racial issue.
It doesn't matter how big the check is if the dollars aren't worth anything, and that's where we are headed if we keep printing them.



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This is a more plausible idea.   Of all the ones mentioned,  this is the closest to possible,   but I still think the current congress wouldn't do it,  and would claim to not even see the need to do it. 


But we can nibble at this apple several different ways,   and I think we need to do some of that. 


Texas' efforts to create a $10,000.00 degree program is exactly the sort of thing we need to be doing.   Also credentializing the Khan Academy and others like it would take some of the money out of "Higher"  education.


The Selling of credentials at exorbitant prices is a long ongoing scam in this nation,  and we need to be draining the profit out of it.
It is what makes liberal professors 'elites', there is no way universities could afford their crap otherwise. Especially by pushing the STEM aspect, an "Invest in America" campaign could take root.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 05:50:33 PM
Yes, the systemic flaw is in repeatedly doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

Republicans.

Better to begin again elsewhere, with those who would actually fulfill their promises.
Where the party platform actually means something.
And where candidates actually believe in their causes.

In my vast experience, you will get *nothing* from the GOP.
And you will get nothing from Trump.

Relying upon people absent of character will never yield results
888high58888  I have been saying for years that that 'R' does not mean they are conservative. Chris Christie proved that a long time ago.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:52:26 PM
Ethanol will continue destroying small engines where people haven't figured out how to get it out of the fuel and can't get ethanol free fuel. Some form of cap and trade remains a possibility. There is little advantage to building oil pipelines when the very market comes under attack by the same administration's actions.

I don't know why it's impossible to get people to understand Ethanol simply doesn't carry enough BTUs of energy to be a replacement for Gasoline.  When the point of persuasion was "Better smog control," it made more sense than this business of "Eliminate oil."  I don't know how many times I pointed out there isn't enough biomass in the world to replace Oil for fuel, nobody seems to get the point.

Had a liberal friend on the phone one day and he asked me about energy, and I said, "It's stupid to burn our food, and moving the tailpipe from our car to a power plant somewhere by driving an electric car is equally stupid."  It's racist to boot, because they don't put power plants in the backyards of people with money and political power.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
888high58888  I have been saying for years that that 'R' does not mean they are conservative. Chris Christie proved that a long time ago.

It was proven long before that.  Hoover could hardly be called anything close to "conservative."
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: goodwithagun on May 19, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
We need to close down the Congressional office buildings and allow for Congressional offices to be placed inside each Congressman' Congressional district, and Senate offices in their corresponding State capital.  They can use Webex to cast votes.  No more K-street.  No more influence.

Yep. All debate and voting can be live streamed. With today's technology they can stay in district 100% of the time. K-Street would still be in the mix, but it would make it a bit more difficult. Congressional offices can be sold to universities for offices, classrooms, dorms, etc. the Capitol building can be taken over by parks and some money could be made on tourism. Also, we need to drastically curb office expenses. One secretary per Congress person. Okay, maybe two per senator. That's it. All other personnel must be paid for by the Congress person. Hell, let's go ahead and ration office supplies while we're at it. They need to operate on shoe strings.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
The problem is that Trump's popularity and successful election proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that not even Republicans want to correct the vile actions and consequences of LBJ's "great society."

We are in a tiny minority here, and the majority of Republicans are scoffing at us because we still believe what we believed 50 years ago.

I don't know how we right this ship with the mentality we see in Trump's supporters.....
What gets me is that we rejected the idea of an autocratic fellow from New York when Giuliani didn't get the nomination. Chief points of opposition were that he'd want to govern by decree, and now we have what we have. Maybe Rudy just didn't have a pretty enough wife, or enough gold trim...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: goodwithagun on May 19, 2017, 05:54:56 PM
I don't know why it's impossible to get people to understand Ethanol simply doesn't carry enough BTUs of energy to be a replacement for Gasoline.  When the point of persuasion was "Better smog control," it made more sense than this business of "Eliminate oil."  I don't know how many times I pointed out there isn't enough biomass in the world to replace Oil for fuel, nobody seems to get the point.

Had a liberal friend on the phone one day and he asked me about energy, and I said, "It's stupid to burn our food, and moving the tailpipe from our car to a power plant somewhere by driving an electric car is equally stupid."  It's racist to boot, because they don't put power plants in the backyards of people with money and political power.

I like asking libs why they would want a coal powered car.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
Yep. All debate and voting can be live streamed. With today's technology they can stay in district 100% of the time. K-Street would still be in the mix, but it would make it a bit more difficult. Congressional offices can be sold to universities for offices, classrooms, dorms, etc. the Capitol building can be taken over by parks and some money could be made on tourism. Also, we need to drastically curb office expenses. One secretary per Congress person. Okay, maybe two per senator. That's it. All other personnel must be paid for by the Congress person. Hell, let's go ahead and ration office supplies while we're at it. They need to operate on shoe strings.

I like that.  "You want a new pencil?  Sure!  Bring me your old one and I'll trade."  Same for Gucci loafers.  I really hate the ones with the little tassels on them.  Who needs shoestrings, anyway?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
I don't know why it's impossible to get people to understand Ethanol simply doesn't carry enough BTUs of energy to be a replacement for Gasoline.  When the point of persuasion was "Better smog control," it made more sense than this business of "Eliminate oil."  I don't know how many times I pointed out there isn't enough biomass in the world to replace Oil for fuel, nobody seems to get the point.

Had a liberal friend on the phone one day and he asked me about energy, and I said, "It's stupid to burn our food, and moving the tailpipe from our car to a power plant somewhere by driving an electric car is equally stupid."  It's racist to boot, because they don't put power plants in the backyards of people with money and political power.
Agreed. Unfortunately, the antidote for ethanol in fuel is water. Mix enough in the gas to absorb the alcohol, then let the water settle and decant the gasoline with a lot less alcohol. Which will mean people dumping contaminated water down drains, in sewers, on the ground...
unintended consequences and all that.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 05:59:25 PM
I like asking libs why they would want a coal powered car.

They'll just tell you they don't want coal generating electricity, they want wind farms to chew up endangered birds instead.

Check this out:

(https://www.fws.gov/cno/es/calcondor/condor-2010-2014-640px.jpg)

The population of California Condors in the wild was on the rise until 2012, and is now collapsing.  Why?  Wind farms.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 06:00:45 PM
They'll just tell you they don't want coal generating electricity, they want wind farms to chew up endangered birds instead.

Check this out:

(https://www.fws.gov/cno/es/calcondor/condor-2010-2014-640px.jpg)

The population of California Condors in the wild was on the rise until 2012, and is now collapsing.  Why?  Wind farms.
Are there any stats on how the solar cookers are doing?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 06:01:21 PM
Agreed. Unfortunately, the antidote for ethanol in fuel is water. Mix enough in the gas to absorb the alcohol, then let the water settle and decant the gasoline with a lot less alcohol. Which will mean people dumping contaminated water down drains, in sewers, on the ground...
unintended consequences and all that.

What would that do to the detergents and no-knock additives?
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 06:03:52 PM
Are there any stats on how the solar cookers are doing?

I don't think so.  There are not enough of those steam-driven solar farms to get a feel for how many birds are being killed, we only have anecdotal information.  BTW, the techs who operate the plants have a name for the birds that get killed:  "Streamers."  When a bird gets close to the concentration point of the arrayed solar mirrors they burst into flames.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: goodwithagun on May 19, 2017, 06:09:08 PM
I like that.  "You want a new pencil?  Sure!  Bring me your old one and I'll trade."  Same for Gucci loafers.  I really hate the ones with the little tassels on them.  Who needs shoestrings, anyway?

Yep. Travel accounts can be cut drastically since they can communicate electronically with their constituents. No more hopping back and forth across the country for "official business."
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 06:10:48 PM
I like that.  "You want a new pencil?  Sure!  Bring me your old one and I'll trade."  Same for Gucci loafers.  I really hate the ones with the little tassels on them.  Who needs shoestrings, anyway?

This is as close as I will ever get to Gucci loafers, and I thank God often for that.

(http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/spin/image/spin_prod_965227912)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 19, 2017, 06:24:44 PM
I don't know why it's impossible to get people to understand Ethanol simply doesn't carry enough BTUs of energy to be a replacement for Gasoline.  When the point of persuasion was "Better smog control," it made more sense than this business of "Eliminate oil."  I don't know how many times I pointed out there isn't enough biomass in the world to replace Oil for fuel, nobody seems to get the point.

Had a liberal friend on the phone one day and he asked me about energy, and I said, "It's stupid to burn our food, and moving the tailpipe from our car to a power plant somewhere by driving an electric car is equally stupid."  It's racist to boot, because they don't put power plants in the backyards of people with money and political power.

Screw burning our food, we're burning our alcohol!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 06:34:07 PM
Uh, no, I'm not falling for that non-rational BS.  The question was in regarding the Conservative approach to dissuading irresponsible behavior.  It is disingenuous to support liberal Republicans at the expense of Conservative ones, and then criticize Conservative Republicans for not being in position to enact Conservative legislation.

You supported Trump.  You got what you paid for.  You told Conservatives you didn't need us.  So live with it.  I've told you what Conservatives should do.  You clearly reject it.  So enjoy your future as Democrat-lite.  By next election, the voters will figure it out and go for the real thing instead of the imitation.  And you will again be blaming Conservatives because they didn't want to sell their souls for short-lived political expediency.



The "gist"  of your message has a "Puritan Witch Hunter"  vibe  to it.



"Witch!"

(https://mholloway63.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/salem631.jpg?w=560)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 19, 2017, 06:45:28 PM
I don't know if it's possible, given an infinite amount of time and effort.

We've reached a point where the Gibsmedat crowd can outvote the producers at will.  That's why I felt physically ill after the 2012 election, because I knew that we'd passed the tipping point where the people figured out they could just vote themselves cash from the government pot.

It's why this form of government is only workable with a moral population.  People will resist looting the treasury only if their morals prohibit theft, and there are far too many people now perfectly happy to live off the earnings of others by stealing it, using government as the agent of force.

I have an idea.  Conservatives need to step up and start running for the local school boards, or at least pay attention to who is running.

Ensure that the next generations are taught about American history (warts and all), our Constitution and why it was written as it is and the difference between what was intended and how it is being interpreted.  Teach them the scientific method, logic, and to question and think for themselves.  Teach them truth. and fire any teachers who put politics before knowledge.  Teach them to be skeptical of the textbook/media/faceplant/etc, and look to the primary sources.  Teach them about Ponzi schemes and the history of successful government interventions into markets.

Maybe we can't elect enough Conservatives to fix this mess.  I certainly don't think we can.  But since we're living large on their money, it seems to me we owe the future generations the opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 06:47:02 PM
The problem is that Trump's popularity and successful election proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that not even Republicans want to correct the vile actions and consequences of LBJ's "great society."


In fact it was Liberal Republicans from the North East that caused it.    LBJ just outsmarted them.






We are in a tiny minority here, and the majority of Republicans are scoffing at us because we still believe what we believed 50 years ago.


Not the majority,  just a very powerful minority of them. 



I don't know how we right this ship with the mentality we see in Trump's supporters.....


You are worrying about Trump supporters when you should be far  more worried about Hillary supporters.    They won't go away if you manage to help them defeat Trump,   they will only get stronger. 


And they really are mentally ill. 

Liberals Are An Inferno Of Flaming Crazy And We Should Pour Gasoline On The Fire (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/05/15/liberals-are-an-inferno-of-flaming-crazy-and-we-should-pour-gasoline-on-the-fire-n2326754)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 06:48:41 PM
That is what voters in effect, authorized. Do that, they see results, then move to other items.

Customer walks in, says I want a car. You don't veer off and try to sell them a hot air balloon, pumped full of rhetoric and philosophy.


Very aptly put.   If Trump makes some changes and people like them,  then we move in that direction.   


One of those changes better be a wall. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 06:52:40 PM
I don't know if it's possible, given an infinite amount of time and effort.

We've reached a point where the Gibsmedat crowd can outvote the producers at will.  That's why I felt physically ill after the 2012 election, because I knew that we'd passed the tipping point where the people figured out they could just vote themselves cash from the government pot.

It's why this form of government is only workable with a moral population.  People will resist looting the treasury only if their morals prohibit theft, and there are far too many people now perfectly happy to live off the earnings of others by stealing it, using government as the agent of force.


And therein is the crux of the problem of which I don't think all of us here are aware. 


The voting system has become a tool whereby the productive are put at the mercy of the  parasite component of society,   and I think it is very unlikely that a parasite will ever consent to being removed from it's host. 


If we are to take back that which has been given to the parasites,  it will have to be done slowly and likely with as much stealth as possible. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: musiclady on May 19, 2017, 06:56:29 PM

In fact it was Liberal Republicans from the North East that caused it.    LBJ just outsmarted them.

Not the majority,  just a very powerful minority of them. 

You are worrying about Trump supporters when you should be far  more worried about Hillary supporters.    They won't go away if you manage to help them defeat Trump,   they will only get stronger. 

And they really are mentally ill. 

Liberals Are An Inferno Of Flaming Crazy And We Should Pour Gasoline On The Fire (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/05/15/liberals-are-an-inferno-of-flaming-crazy-and-we-should-pour-gasoline-on-the-fire-n2326754)

I'm talking about the Republican party, and how it no longer even pretends to be fighting gargantuan government.  I'm talking about how the Republican party establishment in solidarity with liberal Trump has stopped even trying to slow down the growth of government with its waste and corruption.

What we have now is Trump's Great Society........... and that has nothing to do with Hillary supporters.

Leftist voters have been mentally ill for a long time.

It's only recently that the same is true for a number of "Republican" voters.  And since, until a year ago, I WAS a Republican, that matters greatly to me.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 06:56:32 PM
What would that do to the detergents and no-knock additives?
I don't know, frankly. It might remove some of them, too. Maybe @thackney knows.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mom MD on May 19, 2017, 06:56:51 PM

And therein is the crux of the problem of which I don't think all of us here are aware. 


The voting system has become a tool whereby the productive are put at the mercy of the  parasite component of society,   and I think it is very unlikely that a parasite will ever consent to being removed from it's host. 


If we are to take back that which has been given to the parasites,  it will have to be done slowly and likely with as much stealth as possible.

The real problem is the goodies they vote themselves from the government comes out of the pockets of the ever dwindling producers   At some point atlas will shrug.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 06:57:59 PM
This is as close as I will ever get to Gucci loafers, and I thank God often for that.

(http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/spin/image/spin_prod_965227912)
Nice looking boot! (Loafers? LOL!)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 06:58:55 PM
Those bites are listed elsewhere on this forum. There were roughly 80 promises, some of which are a good idea, some of which are not. Unfortunately, in the midst of all the Russian kerfuffle Tillerson signed onto what amounts to a committment to the Paris Accords, and the ethanol mandate will be kept. Despite appointing an EPA chief who doesn't believe in AGW, Tillerson's actions effectively negate much of the potential progress that can be made.



I think it's too early to say this area of advancement has been lost,  but it certainly worries me that this is exactly what is the result. 





Ethanol will continue destroying small engines where people haven't figured out how to get it out of the fuel and can't get ethanol free fuel. Some form of cap and trade remains a possibility. There is little advantage to building oil pipelines when the very market comes under attack by the same administration's actions.
As far as I am concerned, Gorsuch is the salient accomplishment, and the jury is still out on how he will rule.


Ethanol is a subsidy for that  Iowa (and others) voting block.   This is another example of people voting themselves goodies.   

As for Gorsuch,  he appears to be good,   but I've been badly disappointed by Supreme Court judges before whom I thought knew better. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 06:59:11 PM
Screw burning our food, we're burning our alcohol!
I never drank any corn liquor smoother than a drywall rasp.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 06:59:25 PM
I have an idea.  Conservatives need to step up and start running for the local school boards, or at least pay attention to who is running.

Ensure that the next generations are taught about American history (warts and all), our Constitution and why it was written as it is and the difference between what was intended and how it is being interpreted.  Teach them the scientific method, logic, and to question and think for themselves.  Teach them truth. and fire any teachers who put politics before knowledge.  Teach them to be skeptical of the textbook/media/faceplant/etc, and look to the primary sources.  Teach them about Ponzi schemes and the history of successful government interventions into markets.

Maybe we can't elect enough Conservatives to fix this mess.  I certainly don't think we can.  But since we're living large on their money, it seems to me we owe the future generations the opportunity to do so.

 :amen:  An excellent suggestion indeed!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 07:00:44 PM
We need to close down the Congressional office buildings and allow for Congressional offices to be placed inside each Congressman' Congressional district, and Senate offices in their corresponding State capital.  They can use Webex to cast votes.  No more K-street.  No more influence.


Now you have mentioned an Idea I dearly love,   but I very much doubt this can be made to happen short of an Article V convention.   


Yes,  break them all up and make them stay near their constituency.   Make it far harder for people to lobby the congress and therefore game the system. 


Also we can keep a better watch on what they are doing.


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 07:02:36 PM

Very aptly put.   If Trump makes some changes and people like them,  then we move in that direction.   


One of those changes better be a wall.
Congress has to authorize the funding. If they did that who would watch their kids, scrub their floors and mow their lawns, make their beds? They have skin in the game.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 07:06:48 PM
I think it could still fly, but it has to be packaged right. It has to be sold as benefiting the minority and other communities which are the recipients, and cannot ever be allowed to be portrayed as a racial issue, because the fiscal solvency of the nation isn't a racial issue.
It doesn't matter how big the check is if the dollars aren't worth anything, and that's where we are headed if we keep printing them.


I think this is wishful thinking for two reasons;  That you think you can keep "racial"  out of it by emphasizing it isn't racial but is instead "fiscal"  and that you could even get this debate started in congress.    Any attempt to cut benefits will be accused of being "racial"  and Congress doesn't see the status quo as a problem. 




It is what makes liberal professors 'elites', there is no way universities could afford their crap otherwise. Especially by pushing the STEM aspect, an "Invest in America" campaign could take root.


Exactly the point.  We ought to be breaking up this monopoly of control on Credentials.   We should "Socialize"  (Make them live under the socialism rules they try to force on others)   the Socialists in the Universities who live like Tsars and preach to us "Peasants."   


Make them poor,  and they will acquire wisdom. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 07:07:03 PM
I have an idea.  Conservatives need to step up and start running for the local school boards, or at least pay attention to who is running.

Ensure that the next generations are taught about American history (warts and all), our Constitution and why it was written as it is and the difference between what was intended and how it is being interpreted.  Teach them the scientific method, logic, and to question and think for themselves.  Teach them truth. and fire any teachers who put politics before knowledge.  Teach them to be skeptical of the textbook/media/faceplant/etc, and look to the primary sources.  Teach them about Ponzi schemes and the history of successful government interventions into markets.

Maybe we can't elect enough Conservatives to fix this mess.  I certainly don't think we can.  But since we're living large on their money, it seems to me we owe the future generations the opportunity to do so.
So true. I wonder how many on school boards and such are even aware of what is in the current crop of textbooks.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 07:09:57 PM

I think this is wishful thinking for two reasons;  That you think you can keep "racial"  out of it by emphasizing it isn't racial but is instead "fiscal"  and that you could even get this debate started in congress.    Any attempt to cut benefits will be accused of being "racial"  and Congress doesn't see the status quo as a problem. 
That's why you have to repackage the whole thing as a 'benefit', not as a cut. Then, suddenly the whole racial component goes out the window. You could even have people on racially oriented websites complaining about another program to benefit a different demographic to help sell the idea.



Quote
Exactly the point.  We ought to be breaking up this monopoly of control on Credentials.   We should "Socialize"  (Make them live under the socialism rules they try to force on others)   the Socialists in the Universities who live like Tsars and preach to us "Peasants."   


Make them poor,  and they will acquire wisdom.
Yep.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 07:11:13 PM
The real problem is the goodies they vote themselves from the government comes out of the pockets of the ever dwindling producers   At some point atlas will shrug.


And what do you suppose happens at that point?   Call me paranoid,  but I believe it will be much bloodshed.


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
So true. I wonder how many on school boards and such are even aware of what is in the current crop of textbooks.

In Texas it wouldn't matter much because they would have no control over them at all!  That is controlled by The Texas State Board of Education with one member being elected from each of our 31 senatorial districts 1/3 of which come up for election every two years.  THOSE elections are ones I personally pay a LOT of attention to!

BTW: Because Texas is the size it is that board actually has great influence on the content of textbooks for all other states as well.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2017, 07:13:38 PM
That's why you have to repackage the whole thing as a 'benefit', not as a cut. Then, suddenly the whole racial component goes out the window. You could even have people on racially oriented websites complaining about another program to benefit a different demographic to help sell the idea.



You better be able to sell freezers to Eskimos,  cause that's the sort of salesmanship this is going to take. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mom MD on May 19, 2017, 07:16:06 PM

And what do you suppose happens at that point?   Call me paranoid,  but I believe it will be much bloodshed.

Likely so.  When we can no longer produce at a rate to keep them happy things will get dicey...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 19, 2017, 07:20:37 PM
So true. I wonder how many on school boards and such are even aware of what is in the current crop of textbooks.
I wonder how many of us even here, who really care about and follow politics, even remember who they voted for in the last school board election.

I sort of do.  When I don't know anything about the candidates I just leave that section blank.  I need to fix that.  If I spent half the time working locally that I do complaining about national politics, I just might, might, make a little, little, bit of change where I actually can.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
Likely so.  When we can no longer produce at a rate to keep them happy things will get dicey...

I don't think it will be a matter of can't produce but rather a refusal to produce. When there is no longer any incentive to produce why would anyone produce anything outside of for their own personal consumption.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 07:24:48 PM

You better be able to sell freezers to Eskimos,  cause that's the sort of salesmanship this is going to take.
Lots of Innuit have freezers, so obviously there is a market. "And you only have to plug it in 6 months out of the year if you set it on the porch...."

What really needs to be reformed is the way people qualify for benefits, and how that changes. As is, if you make a dollar over your Medicaid cutoff, you're on your own. If you make too much, the SNAP goes away. There is a point where the benefits are not able to be replaced by minor increases in income, but those minor increases will cost all the benefits. That needs to be tapered to a more graduated transition, or it provides a disincentive to work harder. It was like working overtime (when a guy could get in overtime) and seeing it go to taxes after just a couple of hours. So, if the option was there, you only worked enough overtime to maximize the take-home, and not so much it cost you.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 07:29:23 PM

And what do you suppose happens at that point?   Call me paranoid,  but I believe it will be much bloodshed.

YEP. That's how this story goes.
That's why voting for a liberal New Yorker ain't gonna fix a thing too.
That's why supporting half-fast health care reform won't fix it either.
There's a reason why they're called principles.
Anything but just adds more kindling to the fire.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 19, 2017, 07:33:53 PM
Screw burning our food, we're burning our alcohol!

 :silly:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: XenaLee on May 19, 2017, 07:50:52 PM

Very aptly put.   If Trump makes some changes and people like them,  then we move in that direction.   


One of those changes better be a wall.

Why?   Enforcing illegal immigration laws already on the books will work just as well in the interim.  The wall is an excuse for more funding, IMO.  We don't really need it right now.  Hell, what we need is to keep the Muslim extremists from entering our country via that Obama "refugee" program.  If only...
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 19, 2017, 08:02:09 PM
Lots of Innuit have freezers, so obviously there is a market. "And you only have to plug it in 6 months out of the year if you set it on the porch...."

What really needs to be reformed is the way people qualify for benefits, and how that changes. As is, if you make a dollar over your Medicaid cutoff, you're on your own. If you make too much, the SNAP goes away. There is a point where the benefits are not able to be replaced by minor increases in income, but those minor increases will cost all the benefits. That needs to be tapered to a more graduated transition, or it provides a disincentive to work harder. It was like working overtime (when a guy could get in overtime) and seeing it go to taxes after just a couple of hours. So, if the option was there, you only worked enough overtime to maximize the take-home, and not so much it cost you.

30 years ago (it hurts to be able to say that, I'm not THAT old am I???), I knew women who intentionally got pregnant at regular intervals.  As long as they had a child under X years old, they got the free apartment and benefits for the whole clan.  They discussed this quite openly.

I have to say I never have understood the idea that overtime "costs you" at some point.  At the end of the year, your taxes are based on AGI.  The overtime bonus is taxed at exactly the same rate as your base income.  My guess is that for some the additional income caused their employer to withhold more (I don't know how withholding works), but at the end of the year you made X and the feds want Y.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 19, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
30 years ago (it hurts to be able to say that, I'm not THAT old am I???), I knew women who intentionally got pregnant at regular intervals.  As long as they had a child under X years old, they got the free apartment and benefits for the whole clan.  They discussed this quite openly.

I have to say I never have understood the idea that overtime "costs you" at some point.  At the end of the year, your taxes are based on AGI.  The overtime bonus is taxed at exactly the same rate as your base income.  My guess is that for some the additional income caused their employer to withhold more (I don't know how withholding works), but at the end of the year you made X and the feds want Y.
Living hand to mouth all the annualization in the world doesn't change the dip in cash flow. Making too much put a guy into the next bracket, which meant higher withholding rates and if you just crossed the threshhold, your take home pay actually got a little smaller than 40 hours worth. IIRC, and this was the '70s, the crossover point for me was 46 hours a week where the time and a half came in at less than regular pay by the time the taxes were taken out.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
30 years ago (it hurts to be able to say that, I'm not THAT old am I???), I knew women who intentionally got pregnant at regular intervals.  As long as they had a child under X years old, they got the free apartment and benefits for the whole clan.  They discussed this quite openly.

I have to say I never have understood the idea that overtime "costs you" at some point.  At the end of the year, your taxes are based on AGI.  The overtime bonus is taxed at exactly the same rate as your base income.  My guess is that for some the additional income caused their employer to withhold more (I don't know how withholding works), but at the end of the year you made X and the feds want Y.

Which is one of the many reasons taxing income is so antiethical for supposed free people.  We should be taxing our consumption instead of our efforts!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 19, 2017, 09:48:15 PM
Which is one of the many reasons taxing income is so antiethical for supposed free people.  We should be taxing our consumption instead of our efforts!

?? Consumption of energy and goods?  That would give Big Brother tremendous control over our lives.  No tax or flat tax, period.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 09:51:23 PM
?? Consumption of energy and goods?  That would give Big Brother tremendous control over our lives.  No tax or flat tax, period.

Agreed.  Flat tax.  If it's good enough for God, it should be good enough for the US Treasury.

Besides, why expand the ATF to the ATF-and everything else sold under the sun.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 09:57:25 PM
?? Consumption of energy and goods?  That would give Big Brother tremendous control over our lives.  No tax or flat tax, period.

Absolutely the opposite!  You are entirely in control of what you buy.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 09:59:25 PM
Agreed.  Flat tax.  If it's good enough for God, it should be good enough for the US Treasury.

Besides, why expand the ATF to the ATF-and everything else sold under the sun.

If you are talking about  a flat rate income tax it's no sale with me.  No income tax period!  Read the link in my tag line.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 10:05:10 PM
If you are talking about  a flat rate income tax it's no sale with me.  No income tax period!  Read the link in my tag line.

Then we will agree to disagree.  I would rather have an employer with an incentive to account for taxes deducted from my income than to expand the power of government to provide incentive at the point of a gun to both buyer and seller.

I understand your point, really I do.  I just prefer a flat tax on income over a national sales tax that invites a black market economy.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 10:11:59 PM
Then we will agree to disagree.  I would rather have an employer with an incentive to account for taxes deducted from my income than to expand the power of government to provide incentive at the point of a gun to both buyer and seller.

I understand your point, really I do.  I just prefer a flat tax on income over a national sales tax that invites a black market economy.

Texas has a very large economy and relies on a sales tax without any problems.

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: libertybele on May 19, 2017, 10:40:30 PM
Texas has a very large economy and relies on a sales tax without any problems.

To tax consumable; we will be taxed to death. We already pay for electricity, water and food, etc. I don't want the government taxing me for using electricity and then taxing me again if I use too much.  Same with water. Same with food, etc.  I don't want to go to the grocery store and the government telling me I am only allotted 2 apples, 2 bananas, a gallon of milk a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter and jelly and anything over that not only will I have to pay the taxes on but have to pay additional taxes for going over my allotment.  I could go on, but point made.

Right now there are chip readers on credit and debit cards ... they already know what you are purchasing, where you are purchasing, how much you are purchasing and the frequency of those purchases.   Throw in a national ID card at the situation that you will have to use to be able to make everything you purchase and Big Brother will completely control your life.  As an example, you won't be able to use more the 3 gallons of water a day without paying a penalty tax .... the list goes on, but I'm sure you get the point.

Flat tax of 10%.  No state, federal, income or sales tax.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2017, 10:48:26 PM
Texas has a very large economy and relies on a sales tax without any problems.

I have full confidence in the State of Texas collecting a sales tax without imposing undue tyranny upon its citizenry.  I have zero confidence in a central government based in Maryland collecting a much greater portion of sales tax in Texas.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 19, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
Honestly the Fed needs to set up a flat tax 10% for everyone.

Then leave it up to the states to determine tax rates...sales or income based to make up the difference based on their own budgetary needs. That way they have the money they need to spend.

This whole give everything to the Fed then wait like a bunch of baby birds with your mouth open waiting to get your share is stupid.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 11:09:32 PM
To tax consumable; we will be taxed to death. We already pay for electricity, water and food, etc. I don't want the government taxing me for using electricity and then taxing me again if I use too much.  Same with water. Same with food, etc.  I don't want to go to the grocery store and the government telling me I am only allotted 2 apples, 2 bananas, a gallon of milk a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter and jelly and anything over that not only will I have to pay the taxes on but have to pay additional taxes for going over my allotment.  I could go on, but point made.


@libertybele

I will agree with @Bigun .
The salient difference is in this: A flat RETAIL ONLY tax ties the goverment to the market. if things are going badly, it is suddenly in the interest pf the government to keep the economy going - without happy campers spending their money on consumables, the government gets nothing.

In the case of withholdings from your employer, the government couldn't give a rusty crap as to whether you have money to spend at the end or not. They get their rake right off the top, instead of getting their cut at the end.

Now, I am for no tax on food items or medical items, making them basically write-off. I dont know if land and first homes should be exempt... But you get the basic idea.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 19, 2017, 11:17:02 PM
When will Republicans Dump Trump?


3:24 pm, August 14th, 2019

(You heard it here 1st)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 11:30:34 PM
To tax consumable; we will be taxed to death. We already pay for electricity, water and food, etc. I don't want the government taxing me for using electricity and then taxing me again if I use too much.  Same with water. Same with food, etc.  I don't want to go to the grocery store and the government telling me I am only allotted 2 apples, 2 bananas, a gallon of milk a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter and jelly and anything over that not only will I have to pay the taxes on but have to pay additional taxes for going over my allotment.  I could go on, but point made.

Right now there are chip readers on credit and debit cards ... they already know what you are purchasing, where you are purchasing, how much you are purchasing and the frequency of those purchases.   Throw in a national ID card at the situation that you will have to use to be able to make everything you purchase and Big Brother will completely control your life.  As an example, you won't be able to use more the 3 gallons of water a day without paying a penalty tax .... the list goes on, but I'm sure you get the point.

Flat tax of 10%.  No state, federal, income or sales tax.

Belle I'm sorry to inform you that you are very badly misinformed on this issue and I BEG you to follow the link below and educate yourself!

https://fairtax.org/about/how-fairtax-works

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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 19, 2017, 11:37:01 PM
I have full confidence in the State of Texas collecting a sales tax without imposing undue tyranny upon its citizenry.  I have zero confidence in a central government based in Maryland collecting a much greater portion of sales tax in Texas.

That's one of the beauties of the Fairtax @Hoodat!

Under that system the federal government would no longer collect taxes from individuals or retailers at all!  45 of the 50 states already have sales taxes in place and under the fairtax retailers would be compensated for adding two or three lines of code to their cash register programs and the states would be compensated for remitting the appropriate amount to the federal treasury!

https://fairtax.org/about/how-fairtax-works

Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 19, 2017, 11:45:31 PM
Tax consumption, not incomes. Don't punish savers.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2017, 11:48:27 PM
Tax consumption, not incomes. Don't punish savers.

VERY important.

Doesn't tax inheritance either
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Mom MD on May 20, 2017, 12:13:48 AM
Tax consumption, not incomes. Don't punish savers.

 :amen:      :amen:       :amen:      :amen:      :amen:      :amen:      :amen:      :amen:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: EC on May 20, 2017, 01:47:48 AM
To tax consumable; we will be taxed to death. We already pay for electricity, water and food, etc. I don't want the government taxing me for using electricity and then taxing me again if I use too much.  Same with water. Same with food, etc.  I don't want to go to the grocery store and the government telling me I am only allotted 2 apples, 2 bananas, a gallon of milk a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter and jelly and anything over that not only will I have to pay the taxes on but have to pay additional taxes for going over my allotment.  I could go on, but point made.

Right now there are chip readers on credit and debit cards ... they already know what you are purchasing, where you are purchasing, how much you are purchasing and the frequency of those purchases.   Throw in a national ID card at the situation that you will have to use to be able to make everything you purchase and Big Brother will completely control your life.  As an example, you won't be able to use more the 3 gallons of water a day without paying a penalty tax .... the list goes on, but I'm sure you get the point.

Pay cash. Simple solution, 100% legal, and 100% untraceable.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 20, 2017, 02:00:19 AM
Pay cash. Simple solution, 100% legal, and 100% untraceable.

Another decade and cash will be gone... My brother says that back east, folks are already more far likely to have credit or debit cards than cash... Not so much here yet, but it is inexorably coming.

and then EVERY transaction will be tracked and analyzed.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 20, 2017, 05:43:19 AM
@libertybele

I will agree with @Bigun .
The salient difference is in this: A flat RETAIL ONLY tax ties the goverment to the market. if things are going badly, it is suddenly in the interest pf the government to keep the economy going - without happy campers spending their money on consumables, the government gets nothing.
The problem I see with that is the government then stepping in, decrying 'hoarders', and making more laws. They're pushing us to go cashless, and some people are buying in. Not me, I like cash. It works, almost everyone will take it, no record of the transaction. But with tracking goods entirely possible, it could become illegal to stock up on a loss leader on sale at a store, which is how we buy things. It goes on sale, we know we'll use it, we hit it hard, and coupon it too, if we can while it is on sale. My wife shakes her head when I walk out of a store having bought $280 worth of groceries (normal prices) for $120, but she loves it and none of the stores around these parts have double coupon days or I'd really get out cheap.
The problem with a consumption tax, is that energy, for instance, could be taxed on a "average consumption " basis, with increases in rates above those average levels. At this latitude, 'average' climates are significantly warmer, and heat is not an option in winter. THe ability to gimmick with a consumption tax like has been done with the income tas could be even more onerous and eventually totalitarian.

Ten percent for the Church (charity, actually, of all sorts) , ten percent for Ceasar, and the rest for me.
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In the case of withholdings from your employer, the government couldn't give a rusty crap as to whether you have money to spend at the end or not. They get their rake right off the top, instead of getting their cut at the end.

Now, I am for no tax on food items or medical items, making them basically write-off. I don't know if land and first homes should be exempt... But you get the basic idea.
I agree, in that if there was a Federal Sales tax, Food, Water, medical care, primary housing, and energy for the home should be untaxed. No surtax on fuel, there is already a fuel tax. Taxes on new items only, and land is 'used', so no tax on land sales or existing homes. Tax building materials or new items constructed from recycled/repurposed materials, because the end product is 'new'. There are those who like 'prebate' schemes, but anytime the government issues a check there will be fraud. Just don't tax the essentials, and that whole bureaucracy is eliminated along with the potential for someone getting extra checks or stealing someone else's.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 20, 2017, 06:25:59 AM

And what do you suppose happens at that point?   Call me paranoid,  but I believe it will be much bloodshed.
No, I won't call you paranoid. Food riots and the like become a very real possibility. At that point, if a person hasn't already, there's a decision to make about just what lengths a person is willing to go to to protect their family, themselves, their stuff. It's pretty much a given the first ones up the walk will be unarmed women and/or hungry little children. Do you feed the kids who are likely scouts for adults, even larger groups? Or turn them all away proclaiming you don't have anything?

Selco is a good one to read on that sort of thing.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: thackney on May 22, 2017, 07:52:44 AM
I don't know, frankly. It might remove some of them, too. Maybe @thackney knows.

@Cyber Liberty  @Smokin Joe

I'm going to say don't add water to your gasoline and leave it at that.  I know I'll never do that to gasoline I run in my vehicles.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2017, 12:07:47 PM
@Cyber Liberty  @Smokin Joe

I'm going to say don't add water to your gasoline and leave it at that.  I know I'll never do that to gasoline I run in my vehicles.
Well, this was for small engines (I really can't imagine doing it 35 gallons at a time). The ethanol will kill them anyway, I'd be willing to try it if I had to. The idea is that the water will settle out, and to separate the two before you use the fuel.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 22, 2017, 12:13:46 PM
Honestly the Fed needs to set up a flat tax 10% for everyone.

Then leave it up to the states to determine tax rates...sales or income based to make up the difference based on their own budgetary needs. That way they have the money they need to spend.

This whole give everything to the Fed then wait like a bunch of baby birds with your mouth open waiting to get your share is stupid.


Once in awhile you say something which I regard as sensible. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 22, 2017, 12:24:58 PM
When will Republicans Dump Trump?


3:24 pm, August 14th, 2019

(You heard it here 1st)


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Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 22, 2017, 12:25:36 PM
Well, this was for small engines (I really can't imagine doing it 35 gallons at a time). The ethanol will kill them anyway, I'd be willing to try it if I had to. The idea is that the water will settle out, and to separate the two before you use the fuel.

I saw Ethanol absolutely destroy a two-stroke engine once.  Outboard motor.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: rodamala on May 22, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
Why?   Enforcing illegal immigration laws already on the books will work just as well in the interim.  The wall is an excuse for more funding, IMO.  We don't really need it right now.  Hell, what we need is to keep the Muslim extremists from entering our country via that Obama "refugee" program.  If only...

@XenaLee

Every time I hear foamers going on about "The Wall" all I can think is how Brawndo has electrolytes.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: txradioguy on May 22, 2017, 12:58:03 PM

Once in awhile you say something which I regard as sensible.

I appreciate that.

You know in the grand scheme of things there's probably only a couple of things we actually disagree on.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: thackney on May 22, 2017, 01:08:39 PM
Well, this was for small engines (I really can't imagine doing it 35 gallons at a time). The ethanol will kill them anyway, I'd be willing to try it if I had to. The idea is that the water will settle out, and to separate the two before you use the fuel.

For me:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/aplusautomation/vendorimages/f3a8535d-6898-4566-ae5b-de22a2f056a3.jpg._CB291181255_.jpg)

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/sta-bil-marine-formula-ethanol-treatment-8-oz.-22239/7630013-P?searchTerm=sta-bil+marine+formula+ethanol+treatment+%288+oz.%29


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
I saw Ethanol absolutely destroy a two-stroke engine once.  Outboard motor.
It did that for my father--a mile offshore. He's in his eighties and had to row in.

He cannot get no ethanol gas, even at the local marinas. Closest is about an hour and a half drive away.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 22, 2017, 01:14:41 PM
I appreciate that.

You know in the grand scheme of things there's probably only a couple of things we actually disagree on.

Like a rough spot on a tooth, your tongue will go there all day long....
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
For me:

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https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/sta-bil-marine-formula-ethanol-treatment-8-oz.-22239/7630013-P?searchTerm=sta-bil+marine+formula+ethanol+treatment+%288+oz.%29
I'll let my dad know. I'm in a market where I can readily get no ethanol fuel, but I'm 2K miles away.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: mrpotatohead on May 22, 2017, 01:22:10 PM
For me:

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https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/sta-bil-marine-formula-ethanol-treatment-8-oz.-22239/7630013-P?searchTerm=sta-bil+marine+formula+ethanol+treatment+%288+oz.%29

I've been using that similar product in my lawnmower over the winter and she fires right back up in the spring.  Good product.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 22, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
I appreciate that.

You know in the grand scheme of things there's probably only a couple of things we actually disagree on.


I bet we do.   I expect most of our disagreement are in the methods we see for accomplishing the grander scheme. 


Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 22, 2017, 01:34:47 PM

I bet we do.   I expect most of our disagreement are in the methods we see for accomplishing the grander scheme.

And that is the standard state of affairs on our side!  We all want to get to the same place but spend all of our time arguing about which vehicle to ride in to get there!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 22, 2017, 01:42:32 PM
And that is the standard state of affairs on our side!  We all want to get to the same place but spend all of our time arguing about which vehicle to ride in to get there!

That's because I know MINE is the only one that will work!  Now get in the back!   :chairbang:
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: thackney on May 22, 2017, 01:50:28 PM
I'll let my dad know. I'm in a market where I can readily get no ethanol fuel, but I'm 2K miles away.

Living in a high humidity environment, I also use:

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https://www.ruralking.com/justrite-5-gallon-safety-can.html

It is better to have something that will maintain a bit of vapor pressure inside the can and less exchange of humid air with day/night temperature changes.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Bigun on May 22, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
That's because I know MINE is the only one that will work!  Now get in the back!   :chairbang:

 ****slapping
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: rodamala on May 22, 2017, 09:47:57 PM
Living in a high humidity environment, I also use:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/511IyYHDS7L._SX385_.jpg)

https://www.ruralking.com/justrite-5-gallon-safety-can.html

It is better to have something that will maintain a bit of vapor pressure inside the can and less exchange of humid air with day/night temperature changes.

@thackney

For my money, I am an Eagle man. 

Eagle 5 gallon safety cans are in stock at my local mom & pop type, farm/hardware store, and amazingly... still made in the USA...

...and have not been sued out of existence by lawyers representing those that are left with sour grapes for not receiving the Darwin Award they intended to get.

I think Blitz is out of business because of that... and all plastic gas cans are now functionally impossible to use and frankly, more dangerous to use for people that don't go pouring gasoline on campfires.

http://www.safety1industries.com/product-reviews-blog/eagle-vs-justrite-gas-cans (http://www.safety1industries.com/product-reviews-blog/eagle-vs-justrite-gas-cans)
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: thackney on May 22, 2017, 09:56:43 PM
@thackney

For my money, I am an Eagle man. 

Eagle 5 gallon safety cans are in stock at my local mom & pop type, farm/hardware store, and amazingly... still made in the USA...

...and have not been sued out of existence by lawyers representing those that are left with sour grapes for not receiving the Darwin Award they intended to get.

I think Blitz is out of business because of that... and all plastic gas cans are now functionally impossible to use and frankly, more dangerous to use for people that don't go pouring gasoline on campfires.

http://www.safety1industries.com/product-reviews-blog/eagle-vs-justrite-gas-cans (http://www.safety1industries.com/product-reviews-blog/eagle-vs-justrite-gas-cans)

Interesting.  I posted an Eagle can picture, like I have, and a link to a justrite.

Cheers!
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 22, 2017, 10:55:39 PM
[...] all plastic gas cans are now functionally impossible to use and frankly, more dangerous to use for people that don't go pouring gasoline on campfires.

As an aside, if you have a local farm store, they sell  an aftermarket retrofit kit that turns those plastic cans old-school again, vent and all... For around 10 bucks and a 5 minute mod, all is made well. Jussayin.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 22, 2017, 10:59:51 PM
As an aside, if you have a local farm store, they sell  an aftermarket retrofit kit that turns those plastic cans old-school again, vent and all... For around 10 bucks and a 5 minute mod, all is made well. Jussayin.
All of mine are old school. Kept out of sunlight to cut UV degradation, and still work fine. The new ones are a mess, though.
Title: Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
Post by: roamer_1 on May 23, 2017, 12:45:34 AM
All of mine are old school. Kept out of sunlight to cut UV degradation, and still work fine. The new ones are a mess, though.

Well of course they are. without a vent they're heaving with the heat and cold all the time.

I still have my trailer from the lawn service days, but the 25 gallon steel gas tank is gone... the one with the DC pump with a 3/8 line for filling all the small equipment... that was the way to go. a nice gas handle at the end with a lever... I want it back I might just have to make me another one.