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Title: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 02:31:31 PM
Per ABC Radio breaking news.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 02, 2015, 02:35:52 PM
NewsBreaker ?@NewsBreaker 3m3 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a mass shooting, possibly as many as 20, in San Bernardino, CA, 60 miles east of Los Angeles - @Reuters
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Crap. Again?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:39:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPpkrLWoAIsudr.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 02:41:21 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/02/authorities-responding-to-reports-of-mass-shooting-in-san-bernardino-california-nbc-los-angeles.html

Quote
Authorities responded to reports of a mass shooting in San Bernardino, California on Wednesday.

Reports first surfaced around 2:15 p.m. ET of an incident in the area. The official San Bernardino Country Sheriff's Department Twitter account confirmed an active shooter in the area.

    Tweet.

    Tweet.

Despite reports of a Planned Parenthood in the area, a representative for the organization told CNBC that the shooting was not at their facility. Last Friday, a gunman stormed a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, killing three people.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 02:41:55 PM
 
How convenient for Bammy's gun-control agenda that these things keep 'happening all by themselves'...

And all the little people said, "Oh my, we must have gun control..."   

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:41:55 PM
Fox....1 to 3 suspects
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 02:43:10 PM

SB County Sheriff Verified account ?@sbcountysheriff

.@SanBernardinoPD has confirmed an active shooter in the area of Orange Show Rd/ Waterman Ave near Park center. #SBCSD assisting.


San Bernardino Fire ?@SBCityFire

SBFD units responding to reports of 20 victim shooting incident in 1300 block of S. Waterman. SBPD is working to clear the scene.
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Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 02:43:23 PM

I heard up to 20 victims...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:44:08 PM
Breaking News Feed ?@pzf 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: AT LEAST 12 DEAD IN CALIFORNIA ACTIVE SHOOTER.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:45:08 PM
Update: 2:42 PM EST

San Bernardino Fire and Police Departments units are responding to reports of a mass shooting. There are reports of 20 victim shooting in the incident that is still ongoing in 1300 block of S. Waterman.

Fox News reports that a SWAT team is currently engaged with an active shooter.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:46:50 PM
Breaking911 ?@Breaking911 4m4 minutes ago

San Bernardino:
-1-3 Active Shooters
-20+ Victims
-Gunman at Large
-Black GMC SUV Suspect Vehicle
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:47:57 PM
Breaking News ?@NewsOnTheMin 5m5 minutes ago

UPDATE: Police looking for 3 white males dressed in military gear.



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPrXmYW4AIl7_Z.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 02:48:12 PM
Breaking News Feed ?@pzf 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: AT LEAST 12 DEAD IN CALIFORNIA ACTIVE SHOOTER.
OMG..... 8888crybaby
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: massadvj on December 02, 2015, 02:49:31 PM
Crap.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 02, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
Gretchen Carlson ?@GretchenCarlson 5m5 minutes ago

Police now confirm 12 p dead in mass shooting in San Bernadino Ca - our local fox station says 1-3 suspects in military style garb @FoxNews
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:51:01 PM
Gretchen Carlson ?@GretchenCarlson 30s30 seconds ago

Cops in Ca able to respond quickly because they were doing a training exercise nearby -
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 02:51:43 PM
San Bernardino, Calif., reported shooting, Dec. 2, 2015
1m
Editor's note: The building where the shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., was reported provides services for developmentally disabled people, according to its website. - Stephanie
End of note


These pyles of sh6t. A real soft target.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 02:52:06 PM

Police are looking for three men...then, there's a potential of terrorism here, not a lone psychologically disturbed individual.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 02:52:19 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:56:06 PM
Breaking News Feed ?@pzf 1m1 minute ago

3 Shooters Armed with RIFLES are Still on the Loose after Rampage Leaves 12 Confirmed Dead
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Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
Radio traffic just said a witness watched it unfold and there are 3 shooters with rifles
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 02:56:55 PM
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/218/?rl=rr  scanner feed.

Per PD, there is a suspicious item found on the second floor.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 02:57:08 PM
Can I blame democrats hateful rhetoric yet?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 02:57:23 PM
https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web scanner feed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 02:57:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPtPIqWcAAUB85.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 02:58:25 PM
Can I blame democrats hateful rhetoric yet?
;)!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 02, 2015, 03:00:01 PM
Why would anyone shoot up this place?

http://www.dds.ca.gov/RC/RCSvs.cfm

Services Provided By Regional Centers

Regional centers provide diagnosis and assessment of eligibility and help plan, access, coordinate and monitor the services and supports that are needed because of a developmental disability. There is no charge for the diagnosis and eligibility assessment.

Once eligibility is determined, a case manager or service coordinator is assigned to help develop a plan for services, tell you where services are available, and help you get the services. Most services and supports are free regardless of age or income.

There is a requirement for parents to share the cost of 24-hour out-of-home placements for children under age 18. This share depends on the parents' ability to pay. For further information, see Parental Fee Program. There may also be a co-payment requirement for other selected services. For further information, see Family Cost Participation Program.

Some of the services and supports provided by the regional centers include:

    Information and referral
    Assessment and diagnosis
    Counseling
    Lifelong individualized planning and service coordination
    Purchase of necessary services included in the individual program plan
    Resource development
    Outreach
    Assistance in finding and using community and other resources
    Advocacy for the protection of legal, civil and service rights
    Early intervention services for at risk infants and their families
    Genetic counseling
    Family support
    Planning, placement, and monitoring for 24-hour out-of-home care
    Training and educational opportunities for individuals and families
    Community education about developmental disabilities

For additional information about these services and supports, see:


Information about Programs and Services

The Department of Developmental Services is responsible for designing and coordinating a wide array of services for California residents with developmental disabilities. Regional centers help plan, access, coordinate and monitor these services and supports.

A Person-Centered Planning approach is used in making decisions regarding where a person with developmental disabilities will live and the kinds of services and supports that may be needed. In person-centered planning, everyone who uses regional center services has a planning team that includes the person utilizing the services, family members, regional center staff and anyone else who is asked to be there by the individual. The team joins together to make sure that the services that people are getting are supporting their choices in where they want to live, how and with whom they choose to spend the day, and hopes and dreams for the future.

The following is a partial list of living arrangements and supportive services available for persons with developmental disabilities:
Living Arrangements for Persons with Developmental Disabilities

    Affordable Housing
    Community Care Facilities (CCFs)
    Family Home Agency
    Foster Family Agency
    Intermediate Care Facilities (ICFs)
    Supported Living Services

Support Services

    In-Home Supportive Services
    Respite (In-Home) Services
    Transportation Services

    Day Program Services
    Dental Services Utilizing Denti-Cal
    Education Services
    Foster Grandparent and Senior Companion Programs
    Independent Living Program
    Self-Determination Program

    Work Services Program (formerly Habilitation)
    Supported Employment Services
    Work Activity Program Services

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 03:01:13 PM
Can I blame democrats hateful rhetoric yet?
I've already seen some nincompoop on Twitter blame the NRA.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:01:13 PM
I bet the White House is ecstatic right now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:02:07 PM
I bet the White House is ecstatic right now.

without a doubt
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 03:03:38 PM
Too early to know who the "enemy" is in this case, but it is clear we are all living on the front lines now of something truly horrific.    If you don't carry, why?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
Our first isis attack?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:06:49 PM
CBS Evening News ?@CBSEveningNews 2m2 minutes ago

Bomb squad on scene of San Bernardino shooting, trying to immobilize what's believed to be explosive device

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPvbtgXIAEjanz.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 03:07:42 PM
As the family member of a developmentally disabled person, I shudder at the thought that any such helpless individual was a sitting duck for terrorists with rifles. Of course, we don't yet know who the victims are, so I don't mean to speculate.

 NCD is right, in these crazy times those of us who can carry a weapon must carry.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 03:07:52 PM
Too early to know who the "enemy" is in this case, but it is clear we are all living on the front lines now of something truly horrific.    If you don't carry, why?

...I live in New York City. Getting a carry permit is nearly impossible.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:08:15 PM
confirmed...3 shooters and still at large
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 03:10:05 PM
confirmed...3 shooters and still at large

It must be terrorism, then.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 03:11:32 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 03:12:14 PM
Not wanting to jump to conclusions, but it sounded like one of the Officers just mentioned the name of a suspect. Sayood(sp)?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:12:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPrXmYW4AIl7_Z.jpg)




President has been briefed....the countdown begins as to when he holds a presser
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 02, 2015, 03:13:02 PM
Too early to know who the "enemy" is in this case, but it is clear we are all living on the front lines now of something truly horrific.    If you don't carry, why?

Went shopping with my wife and kids on Thursday night after Thanksgiving. Saw dozens of people carrying openly in the stores. Never felt so safe in my life.

Americans will fight back even if our Government will not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:14:33 PM
Why would anyone shoot up this place?

http://www.dds.ca.gov/RC/RCSvs.cfm

Services Provided By Regional Centers

Regional centers provide diagnosis and assessment of eligibility and help plan, access, coordinate and monitor the services and supports that are needed because of a developmental disability. There is no charge for the diagnosis and eligibility assessment.

Once eligibility is determined, a case manager or service coordinator is assigned to help develop a plan for services, tell you where services are available, and help you get the services. Most services and supports are free regardless of age or income.

There is a requirement for parents to share the cost of 24-hour out-of-home placements for children under age 18. This share depends on the parents' ability to pay. For further information, see Parental Fee Program. There may also be a co-payment requirement for other selected services. For further information, see Family Cost Participation Program.

Some of the services and supports provided by the regional centers include:

    Information and referral
    Assessment and diagnosis
    Counseling
    Lifelong individualized planning and service coordination
    Purchase of necessary services included in the individual program plan
    Resource development
    Outreach
    Assistance in finding and using community and other resources
    Advocacy for the protection of legal, civil and service rights
    Early intervention services for at risk infants and their families
    Genetic counseling
    Family support
    Planning, placement, and monitoring for 24-hour out-of-home care
    Training and educational opportunities for individuals and families
    Community education about developmental disabilities

For additional information about these services and supports, see:


Information about Programs and Services

The Department of Developmental Services is responsible for designing and coordinating a wide array of services for California residents with developmental disabilities. Regional centers help plan, access, coordinate and monitor these services and supports.

A Person-Centered Planning approach is used in making decisions regarding where a person with developmental disabilities will live and the kinds of services and supports that may be needed. In person-centered planning, everyone who uses regional center services has a planning team that includes the person utilizing the services, family members, regional center staff and anyone else who is asked to be there by the individual. The team joins together to make sure that the services that people are getting are supporting their choices in where they want to live, how and with whom they choose to spend the day, and hopes and dreams for the future.

The following is a partial list of living arrangements and supportive services available for persons with developmental disabilities:
Living Arrangements for Persons with Developmental Disabilities

    Affordable Housing
    Community Care Facilities (CCFs)
    Family Home Agency
    Foster Family Agency
    Intermediate Care Facilities (ICFs)
    Supported Living Services

Support Services

    In-Home Supportive Services
    Respite (In-Home) Services
    Transportation Services

    Day Program Services
    Dental Services Utilizing Denti-Cal
    Education Services
    Foster Grandparent and Senior Companion Programs
    Independent Living Program
    Self-Determination Program

    Work Services Program (formerly Habilitation)
    Supported Employment Services
    Work Activity Program Services
Soft target and a gov building.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
FOX 11 Los Angeles ?@myfoxla 37s37 seconds ago

JUST IN: Sources say 1 suspect dressed in tactical gear walked into conference room, started shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:17:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPrXmYW4AIl7_Z.jpg)




President has been briefed....the countdown begins as to when he holds a presser
We all better buy as much ammo as we can and buy more guns before he does his EO.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 03:18:58 PM
Greta Van Susteren
?@greta
WH says Pres Obama briefed on situation in California #shooting


AmericaTheBeautiful ?@AmericanLizzy 4m4 minutes ago
@greta Now someone is writing him a speech so he can go out and blab about gun control.  He is so predictable.

Jackson Cymerman ?@jacksoncymerman 3m3 minutes ago
@greta he will no doubtly try to push for more gun control. Oh wait, California already had strict gun control 👎

Lionel Powell ?@Ltrain57 3m3 minutes ago
@greta Get ready for another "I am truly sickened, is it time for new gun laws" speech.

Mika Roberts ?@MikaRoberts7 4m4 minutes ago
@greta he will politicize it
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 03:19:37 PM
It must be terrorism, then.

This is definitely terrorism.

Robot going to detonate suspicious device.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:20:55 PM
from scanner feed. Looking for a person with Saeed name.

3 minutes ago
According to police radio, it sounds like authorities may know the name of one of the gunmen. Officers are digging for information on him now.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:21:38 PM
Need barricades at Waterman and Park Center
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:22:05 PM
Stephen Miller ?@redsteeze 37m37 minutes ago

MSNBC mentions Planned Parenthood in San Bernadino...Over a mile away and issued a statement they're not involved. Amazing irresponsibillity
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 02, 2015, 03:22:45 PM
This is definitely terrorism.

Robot going to detonate suspicious device.

If it is, will we be told the truth?
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 03:23:00 PM
Stephen Miller ?@redsteeze 37m37 minutes ago

MSNBC mentions Planned Parenthood in San Bernadino...Over a mile away and issued a statement they're not involved. Amazing irresponsibillity

MSNBC is the spawn of the ENEMY.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
Greta Van Susteren ?@greta 1m1 minute ago

LA Times says a Christmas Party underway in one of the offices of shoot out
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 03:23:22 PM
If it is, will we be told the truth?

Not a chance.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 03:23:45 PM
I will guar-damn-tee you that none of the perps have blue eyes.    And they all have black hair.  And beards.
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Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 03:24:12 PM
More radio police chatter saying "info on one of Your suspects"   so it does sound like more than one.   "They also said female of unknown race" not sure if they were still talking about the suspects.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:24:41 PM
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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 03:24:59 PM
Gretchen Carlson ?@GretchenCarlson 30s30 seconds ago

Cops in Ca able to respond quickly because they were doing a training exercise nearby -

Another mass shooting as a training exercise occurs nearby?

Perhaps we should eliminate training exercises since they seem to coincide with mass shootings...


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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
a minute ago
Fifteen people who were hiding in an interior office are now being escorted out by police.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 03:26:30 PM
Another mass shooting as a training exercise occurs nearby?

Perhaps we should eliminate training exercises since they seem to coincide with mass shootings...

Dan!  I wouldn't if I were you..... :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:27:38 PM
DanRiehl ?@DanRiehl 54s55 seconds ago

LA Times saying SUV containing 3 ppl fled scene
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:27:51 PM
4 man DOD team in South Bldg.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:30:03 PM
It seems they know the identity of one of the men and may have been looking for him since last week.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:31:09 PM
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Quote
Dana Loesch ?@DLoesch 2m2 minutes ago
I see the mentions and DMs about suspect name but would like to see confirmation first.

So I guess this "Saeed" business is being heard by a lot of people.

Quote
Ben Shapiro ?@benshapiro 5m5 minutes ago
The answer to the San Bernardino shooting is clearly whatever the left wanted to push as policy before the San Bernardino shooting.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 03:32:16 PM
Another mass shooting as a training exercise occurs nearby?

Perhaps we should el22iminate training exercises since they seem to coincide with mass shootings...

Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Dana Loesch ?@DLoesch 2m2 minutes ago
I see the mentions and DMs about suspect name but would like to see confirmation first.
__________________

So I guess this "Saeed" business is being heard by a lot of people.
yes found more than 3 different FReepers who heard it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 03:34:03 PM
Just heard on scanner    "EOD has cleared the building, robot inside addressing IED"     
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:34:27 PM
Four technicians with the police explosive ordnance disposal team are now in the south building trying to address a suspicious device.
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3 minutes ago
According to radio traffic, law enforcement may have sought information on one of the gunmen last week. Officers at the scene have been sharing a possible suspect name.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 03:34:39 PM
cant think of a name ?@chriswhitt83 1m1 minute ago

Over police scanner, one individual detained in San Bernadino
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:35:02 PM
Just heard on scanner    "EOD has cleared the building, robot inside addressing IED"   
Who is EOD?
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 03:35:28 PM
I can't believe (well yes I can) the media is already speculating a Planned Parenthood connection even though the closest is a mile away and they have no clue yet who did it. Multiple shooters on a very soft target sounds more like a Paris style incident. Maybe they'll say Muslims don't like abortion.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 03:36:33 PM
Who is EOD?

Explosive ordnance disposal ie bomb squad.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 02, 2015, 03:36:39 PM
Who is EOD?

Explosive ordinance disposal... they are the guys that take care of bombs and stuff
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:38:03 PM
few seconds ago

What we know so far:

Police responded to reports of an active shooter at a social services center in San Bernardino, Calif., Wednesday afternoon.
There were initial reports of at least 20 victims, officials said.
Eyewitnesses said they saw as many as three gunmen, according to the San Bernardino Police Department.
Witnesses also said the suspects left the scene in a black SUV.
FBI and ATF agents are working to clear the building.
Bomb technicians were called to inspect a suspicious device.

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Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 03:38:14 PM
Homegrown Terrorist?
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:41:44 PM
Thanks for the EOD definition.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 03:44:12 PM
Has anyone asked how this relates to climate change?
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:47:49 PM
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
Los Angeles Times ?@latimes 2m2 minutes ago

At least three suspected #SanBernardino shooters vanished from the building after the gunfire, sources says
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:48:52 PM
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:49:34 PM

Markos Moulitsas Verified account
?@markos

Yo GOP, kinda hard to talk about "keeping people safe" when your peeps are shooting up America.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 03:50:55 PM
Markos Moulitsas Verified account
?@markos

Yo GOP, kinda hard to talk about "keeping people safe" when your peeps are shooting up America.
Yeah, he's getting pounded for that little bit of idiocy.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:51:41 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:52:15 PM
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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 03:52:29 PM
Dan!  I wouldn't if I were you..... :whistle:

Oh yeah... these things just happen... and just happen to support Bammy's gun-control agenda...

Just happens...    :shrug:


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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 03:54:10 PM
Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: Possible shooting at nearby Patton Hospital. #SanBernardino
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:54:31 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:55:31 PM
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H twitter.com/nytimes/status…
3:26 PM - 02 Dec 2015ReplayRetweetFavorite

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
California shooting looks very bad. Good luck to law enforcement and God bless. This is when our police are so appreciated!
3:38 PM - 02 Dec 2015
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:58:00 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 03:59:42 PM
Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: Possible shooting at nearby Patton Hospital. #SanBernardino
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may be a shooter at hospital, reading a post that people are hiding in a closet at hosp
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:00:33 PM
a minute ago
Officers now responding to *possible* shots fired at Patton State Hospital, a psychiatric hospital eight miles from the San Bernardino shooting.
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edited by Dylan Stableford
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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 04:00:54 PM
Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.

Nobody Died at Sandy Hook (http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/10/nobody-died-at-sandy-hook-it-was-fema.html)

It was a FEMA drill to Promote Gun Control



Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 04:02:43 PM
So Hillary thinks this is "gun violence."

And ISIS is the JV...

Well, they got our society to buy man-made global warming so...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 04:03:17 PM
Greta Van Susteren ?@greta 3m3 minutes ago
but the cameras may have caught the license tag #

Greta Van Susteren added,
@greta heard they had masks


Dread Pirate Cates ?@drawandstrike 3m3 minutes ago
I keep hearing mentions of hostages being held vs. claims the shooters have 'fled in a black SUV'.
Total chaos right now. Trust nothing.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:04:00 PM
Confirmed south bldg clear; asking for status on clearing of north building
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:05:01 PM
Watching stream from local Fox11. They can't confirm it was 3 people. Police saying just one now. One witness said 3 fled but not sure if fog of war situation.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:07:02 PM
Still clearing north building

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Community North Hospital in Indianapolis. Active hostage situation.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:07:38 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:08:39 PM
Breaking News ?@NewsOnTheMin 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: A man named Farooq Saeed is a possible suspect (Police Scanner) #SanBernardino
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:09:17 PM
linda alexander @noopdoggy 43s43 seconds ago

@TwitchyTeam POSSIBLE SUSPECT: Farook Syed, acting nervous, left building, 20 minutes later shooting, matches description.From SBPD
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:11:33 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 04:11:34 PM
Farook Syed

...watch out, now the Left is really pissed

That's your JV, Obama.  Better check his carbon footprint.
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Post by: Millee on December 02, 2015, 04:12:03 PM


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Community North Hospital in Indianapolis. Active hostage situation.

Where did you see this???  **nononono*
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
Conn Carroll ?@conncarroll 2m2 minutes ago

Fox now reporting that conference room was rented out to a different group for a Christmas party.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:13:05 PM
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Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 04:13:41 PM
Thanks for the updates all.

Just curious - did Hillary have any lament about "gun violence" when that clown in New Orleans shot up the local park last week and is now facing 17 counts of attempted murder?
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
Thanks for the updates all.

Just curious - did Hillary have any lament about "gun violence" when that clown in New Orleans shot up the local park last week and is now facing 17 counts of attempted murder?
Ssh, you're not supposed to mention that incident.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 04:15:03 PM
Conn Carroll ?@conncarroll 2m2 minutes ago

Fox now reporting that conference room was rented out to a different group for a Christmas party.

No info on the identity of that group?  It might shed light on a motive.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:15:10 PM
4 man DOD team headed into the South Bldg

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what is DOD team, anyone?

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Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 27s28 seconds ago

A few reports of shots fired at other locations. Callers may just be nervous/hyper-aware. Now there's one from a nearby Target. Unconfirmed.
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Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 7m7 minutes ago

Per @FOXNews, shooting started in a conference room, rented by an outside group at the Inland Building. Possibly during a Christmas party.
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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 04:16:52 PM
Watching stream from local Fox11. They can't confirm it was 3 people. Police saying just one now. One witness said 3 fled but not sure if fog of war situation.

What happened to the 2 guys seen removing black clothing at an overpass?  Maybe it was foggy there too.

You guys will believe anything if it comes on 'the news'...

.

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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 04:17:31 PM
No info on the identity of that group?  It might shed light on a motive.
I was going to say maybe a Jewish group would stir the alleged Farook Sayed's ire, but of course they wouldn't be holding a Christmas party.   :pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 04:18:51 PM
You guys will believe anything if it comes on 'the news'...
Speak for yourself. It's been noted repeatedly here that reports are conflicting and unsubstantiated at this point.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:20:03 PM
NBC Nightly News ?@NBCNightlyNews 2m2 minutes ago

JUST IN: Loma Linda Medical Center: 4 patients from Calif. mass shooting have been received; 3 more expected.
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Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 04:20:42 PM
I was going to say maybe a Jewish group would stir the alleged Farook Sayed's ire, but of course they wouldn't be holding a Christmas party.   :pondering:

Hannukah starts Sunday and goes through next week so this seems a little early for a Holiday party as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
Fog of war doesn't mean foggy, it means that a lot of reports come in and It is hard to weed the real reports from the mundane. A guy carrying a camera tripod could be mistaken for a gun. I'm just posting what they are saying. Now the police are saying multiple shooters
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:21:37 PM
Where did you see this???  **nononono*
I forget now been following many links. If I find it I will post it.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:21:40 PM
Mark Knoller ?@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama tells @NorahODonnell there too many shooting incidents that are combinations of guns and mental issues.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
Mark Knoller ?@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama tells @NorahODonnell there too many shooting incidents that are combinations of guns and mental issues.

So if it is determined it Is a jihadi, is O admitting that is a mental issue?
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:24:27 PM
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Post by: Millee on December 02, 2015, 04:25:56 PM
I forget now been following many links. If I find it I will post it.

Was on lock down, no active shooter.  Whew!  :thud:

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/community-north-hospital-on-lockdown-no-active-shooter
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:26:22 PM
Mark Knoller ?@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:26:35 PM
Oh good grief, hospital director implying it is due to lack of funding for the center.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:26:42 PM
black Yukon found abandoned
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:27:17 PM
All county buildings on lockdown.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:28:34 PM
Mark Knoller ?@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.
That is a law the dems knew about in 2011 and did nothing to change it.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:29:03 PM
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:29:41 PM
Police official officially confirming 3 shooters in military style clothing and masks.
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Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 04:30:10 PM
Oh good grief, hospital director implying it is due to lack of funding for the center.

Isn't that the liberal's ultimate catch-all?   It's not as if these county bureaucrats would invest in armed security with additional funding.  Liberal county pols are defunding their LEO institutions across the country.

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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:30:11 PM
CBS47 ?@CBS47 4m4 minutes ago

SWAT operation right now in Pasadena may be related to San Bernardino mass shooting.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:31:50 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 04:33:24 PM
Fog of war doesn't mean foggy, it means that a lot of reports come in and It is hard to weed the real reports from the mundane. A guy carrying a camera tripod could be mistaken for a gun. I'm just posting what they are saying. Now the police are saying multiple shooters

 :silly:

Don worry... the media and the government will tell you what truth to believe...


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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
:silly:

Don worry... the media and the government will tell you what truth to believe...

Just .0001% more accurate than Alex Jones type blogs.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:35:46 PM
Scanner feed description of men middle eastern
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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 04:36:07 PM
Speak for yourself. It's been noted repeatedly here that reports are conflicting and unsubstantiated at this point.

John Does #2, 3 & 4 have been disappearing at least since OKC in 1995...


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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 04:36:34 PM
Scanner feed description of men middle eastern

Reminds me of OKC 1995 there too...


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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 04:37:39 PM
Just .0001% more accurate than Alex Jones type blogs.

Of course they are... they tell you that they are...

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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:38:31 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 04:40:57 PM
Mark Knoller ?@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.

Yeah, lets bring in 10,000 more from Syria!
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Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 04:43:09 PM
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H twitter.com/nytimes/status…
3:26 PM - 02 Dec 2015ReplayRetweetFavorite

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
California shooting looks very bad. Good luck to law enforcement and God bless. This is when our police are so appreciated!
3:38 PM - 02 Dec 2015

 The contrast could not be any clearer
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:43:58 PM
Description Middle Eastern looking men, bearded, military or cameo clothing.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:44:27 PM
Yeah, lets bring in 10,000 more from Syria!
that is why he is bringing them in.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:44:49 PM
12 confirmed dead. Explosive devices located
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Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
Greta Van Susteren ?@greta 3m3 minutes ago
but the cameras may have caught the license tag #

Greta Van Susteren added,
@greta heard they had masks


Dread Pirate Cates ?@drawandstrike 3m3 minutes ago
I keep hearing mentions of hostages being held vs. claims the shooters have 'fled in a black SUV'.
Total chaos right now. Trust nothing.

I trust flower's reporting
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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 04:49:12 PM
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H twitter.com/nytimes/status…
3:26 PM - 02 Dec 2015ReplayRetweetFavorite

 :silly:

IOW... elect Her Heinous or this kind of stuff will continue... and that's a promise...

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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:50:08 PM

WCBM 680
?@WCBM680

There are unconfirmed reports that one of shooters is reportedly named as Farooq Saeed. Again UNCONFIRMED.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:50:22 PM
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Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 04:57:03 PM
Police source says Christmas party in the rented conference room by an outside group may have been the target, and not the center itself.
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Post by: Millee on December 02, 2015, 04:57:24 PM
Thanks for all the updates Myst & Flowers!  :beer:
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:57:39 PM
Police presser.
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Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 04:57:42 PM
Police source says Christmas party in the rented conference room by an outside group may have been the target, and not the center itself.

Workplace violence
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 04:58:39 PM
14 dead, 14 plus injured.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 04:59:08 PM
Geraldo Rivera ?@GeraldoRivera 6s6 seconds ago

14 Dead!! Terror in America. This is our future if we don't act. Determine motive. Why attack innocents? Who are the perps?
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 05:00:03 PM

BREAKING:

UP TO 3 SUSPECTS

UP TO 14 DEAD

UP TO 14 INJURED

NO IDEA WHERE SHOOTERS ARE
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 05:00:20 PM
Geraldo Rivera ?@GeraldoRivera 6s6 seconds ago

14 Dead!! Terror in America. This is our future if we don't act. Determine motive. Why attack innocents? Who are the perps?

He sure has changed his tune since his daughter was close to the Paris attacks.
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Post by: raml on December 02, 2015, 05:01:30 PM
I use to work at Aetna on Waterman in San Bernardino before it moved to Loma Linda across the freeway. The social services bldgs were just down the street. This is a high traffic area both day and night there should be many witnesses. There are many restaurants on Waterman and quite a few businesses. This is right next to the 10 freeway too so they can escape easily and the 91 isn't to far away either.
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Post by: Millee on December 02, 2015, 05:01:59 PM
This is our future if we don't stop the Syrian invasion.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 05:02:12 PM
I use to work at Aetna on Waterman in San Bernardino before it moved to Loma Linda across the freeway. The social services bldgs were just down the street. This is a high traffic area both day and night there should be many witnesses. There are many restaurants on Waterman and quite a few businesses. This is right next to the 10 freeway too so they can escape easily and the 91 isn't to far away either.

Probably a lot of security cameras.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 05:04:14 PM
Geraldo Rivera ?@GeraldoRivera 4s4 seconds ago

"find locate and apprehend the suspects" then tear out their eyeballs and take their long guns and shove them up their asses
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
Christopher Hayes ?@chrislhayes 50s51 seconds ago Manhattan, NY

What we know so far makes it impossible to make any kind of sense of this at all: Multiple gunmen shoot up a gathering of county employees?
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:04:57 PM
This is our future if we don't stop the Syrian invasion.
to late. They are here. obama needs them so he can take out our guns. then us
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:05:22 PM
He sure has changed his tune since his daughter was close to the Paris attacks.
He sure has.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:06:29 PM
Geraldo Rivera ?@GeraldoRivera 4s4 seconds ago

"find locate and apprehend the suspects" then tear out their eyeballs and take their long guns and shove them up their asses
long guns................well he hasn't change that much it looks like. GUNS AREN'T THE PROBLEM
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Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
California has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, especially for long guns.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:09:41 PM
CNN comes out and blames the militia

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Someone is being held at gunpoint at a golf course. Multiple weapons in the car.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:13:18 PM
#SanBernadinoShooting Vehicle located on Golf Course loaded with weapons. Also SWAT making request for floor-plans of another building
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 05:14:05 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:15:09 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:15:55 PM
Fox reported earlier that they found the black Yukon abandoned
Yep that is what I thought too. Yet this is on the scanner feed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 05:15:55 PM
Fox 11 expert said it sounded like some sort of a professional hit if it wasn't terrorism due to hitting specific room then left quickly.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:16:43 PM
 Sunshinefox7 ?@stevenala 50m50 minutes ago Westfield, MA

If shooters are: White - "we need more gun control" Black - "they were good boys" Muslim - "not all Muslims are terrorists" #SanBernadino
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
On the radio they just called the license plate:

SKIPPER

(Sam King Ida Paul Paul Edward Robert)
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:25:14 PM
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 05:25:38 PM
On the radio they just called the license plate:

SKIPPER

(Sam King Ida Paul Paul Edward Robert)

Anyone here have Web Access to CA plate records.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:31:33 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:37:43 PM
(Checking videos of local businesses)

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:40:24 PM

San Bernardino, Calif., police say they will provide hourly updates on the shooting
End of alert
San Bernardino, Calif., shooting, Dec. 2, 2015
30m
San Bernardino, Calif., police say they do not know if suspect or suspects were on scene when officers arrived
End of alert
San Bernardino, Calif., shooting, Dec. 2, 2015
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Police: All of the information on San Bernardino shooting 'is preliminary and may change throughout the course of the investigation. We are all on heighten alert' - @sbcountysheriff
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Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 05:40:34 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:47:47 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:48:17 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:48:49 PM
scanner
-30th & E Waterman - south of 30th
then another
-ditched 22 long rifle
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:50:40 PM
Farooq Saeed has been identified as the possible San Bernardino shooting suspect, who reports indicate walked into a medical facility for people with developmental disabilities and opened fire.

The shooting took place at close to 11 a.m. in the 1300 block of South Waterman Avenue in the California city, taking place at a building identified as the Inland Regional Center. The facility is a state-run medical center that serves people with developmental disabilities, said Nancy Lungren, spokeswoman for the California Department of Developmental Services.

Unconfirmed reports identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed, a name repeated on police scanners and reported from some American news outlets.

There are unconfirmed reports that one of shooters is reportedly named as Farooq Saeed. Again UNCONFIRMED. pic.twitter.com/vnI8Isqgts

— WCBM 680 (@WCBM680) December 2, 2015

International news outlets also identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed.

#SanBernardino : Le nom d’un suspect serait apparemment Farooq Saeed https://t.co/kEImDgf1bA pic.twitter.com/r09Aq2wkvy

— RT France (@RTenfrancais) December 2, 2015

Reports indicated that the suspect may have been an employee of the medical facility, and is believed to have fled the scene in an SUV.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2605302/farooq-saeed-possible-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-identified-by-news-outlets-police-manhunt-continues/
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:54:35 PM
Cnn reported this even all started with a fire alarm being pulled.
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Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 05:55:07 PM
Farooq Saeed has been identified as the possible San Bernardino shooting suspect, who reports indicate walked into a medical facility for people with developmental disabilities and opened fire.

The shooting took place at close to 11 a.m. in the 1300 block of South Waterman Avenue in the California city, taking place at a building identified as the Inland Regional Center. The facility is a state-run medical center that serves people with developmental disabilities, said Nancy Lungren, spokeswoman for the California Department of Developmental Services.

Unconfirmed reports identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed, a name repeated on police scanners and reported from some American news outlets.

There are unconfirmed reports that one of shooters is reportedly named as Farooq Saeed. Again UNCONFIRMED. pic.twitter.com/vnI8Isqgts

— WCBM 680 (@WCBM680) December 2, 2015

International news outlets also identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed.

#SanBernardino : Le nom d’un suspect serait apparemment Farooq Saeed https://t.co/kEImDgf1bA pic.twitter.com/r09Aq2wkvy

— RT France (@RTenfrancais) December 2, 2015

Reports indicated that the suspect may have been an employee of the medical facility, and is believed to have fled the scene in an SUV.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2605302/farooq-saeed-possible-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-identified-by-news-outlets-police-manhunt-continues/

I thought it was multiple gunmen?   Does anyone on the ground have the first clue as to what happened?   There were dozens and dozens of witnesses.  They can't determine if there were more than one assailant?
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Post by: evadR on December 02, 2015, 05:57:14 PM
And the FBI guy doesn't know if it's terrorism or not.

My God, what does it take !!!
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:58:59 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 05:59:39 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:00:17 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:01:47 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/san-bernadino-mass-shooting/
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:02:33 PM
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Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 06:05:03 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:06:03 PM
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:06:36 PM
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Post by: Relic on December 02, 2015, 06:08:21 PM
Every single person in the US knows that this is terrorism.

Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:09:08 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:10:31 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:11:34 PM
Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 3m3 minutes ago

In pursuit of a vehicle. High rate of speed. Unknown if related. Dark Chevy. #SanBernadino
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:11:48 PM
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.

Barack and Hillary live in a world of delusion and deceit that they have created.   Hopefully they have fewer and fewer followers as more and more of these incidents occur.
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Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 06:11:54 PM
They're chasing an SUV traveling at a high rate of speed right now. Four Officers are chasing one on foot through a Parking Lot. One in. custody. Shots being fired from the rear window of the SUV
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:12:31 PM
Guy on foot running!

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:12:47 PM
They're chasing an SUV traveling at a high rate of speed right now. Four Officers are chasing one on foot through a Parking Lot. One in. custody. Shots being fired from the rear window of the SUV

Police and SWAT teams in pursuit.
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:14:18 PM
Aerials on Fox showing dark SUV and lots of people running
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:14:56 PM
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
They're going toward a house in the neighborhood.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 06:16:15 PM
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:17:02 PM
Gun riddled SUV
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Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 06:21:02 PM
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.

Yep. Three long guns walked in and started firing. I hope they find and arrest those guns. Damn inanimate objects!
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:32:19 PM
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Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 06:34:13 PM
The gunman shot in the backseat of the SUV has an AR strapped to his chest. Theres a pipe bomb at one of the locations, via scanner. SWAT is on scene with that perimeter locked down, with another team in route to another location. The golf course is back in play. Lets see how it develops.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 3m3 minutes ago

"There's one dude down in the back, still breathing, AR strapped to his chest" #SanBernadino

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Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 3m3 minutes ago

"There's one dude down in the back, still breathing, AR strapped to his chest" #SanBernadino
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:35:35 PM
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:36:31 PM
Two dead in the SUV, one on the street??  Police officer not badly hurt, hit by ricochet bullet.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:37:13 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:37:59 PM
SUV pursuit may not be connected to shooting this morning?
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:39:39 PM
SUV pursuit may not be connected to shooting this morning?

One report said the one on foot was taking off his camo as he ran.   If that's true, these are probably the guys.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 06:41:12 PM
These guys had hours to escape and be long gone..why still in the neighborhood..just doesn't make sense
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:42:41 PM
These guys had hours to escape and be long gone..why still in the neighborhood..just doesn't make sense

One commentator said they may have intended to go farther, but just hid out until the scene was cleared.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:45:05 PM
Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 1m1 minute ago

Pipebomb found near the area of detained suspect. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this might be terrorism. #SanBernardino
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:46:02 PM
NBC reporting one in custody

per cnn they are going into a house.
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Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 02, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
One commentator said they may have intended to go farther, but just hid out until the scene was cleared.

Hide in plain sight effort.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:48:31 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:50:11 PM
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Post by: EdinVA on December 02, 2015, 06:51:58 PM
I hope they have ugly virgins...
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
Body just pulled from back seat of suv
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:54:32 PM
NBC BREAKING

Per Mark Levin

1 perp in custody being questioned. 1 or 2 other perps dead or injured.

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NBC

Helo reporter

1 may have escaped into neighborhood.

1 not moving, holding weapon, inside vehicle.

1 dead on roadway.

==

Perp who fled may be in an apartment complex that police have on lockdown.

=================

NBC BREAKING

1 perp may have escaped into the neighborhood. Active search going on. [Look for boats and check thoroughly under canvas coverings.]

1 perp not moving, holding weapon, in vehicle.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:55:07 PM
NBC BREAKING

Per Mark Levin

1 perp in custody being questioned. 1 or 2 other perps dead or injured.

---------------
NBC

Helo reporter

1 may have escaped into neighborhood.

1 not moving, holding weapon, inside vehicle.

1 dead on roadway.

==

Perp who fled may be in an apartment complex that police have on lockdown.

=================

NBC BREAKING

1 perp may have escaped into the neighborhood. Active search going on. [Look for boats and check thoroughly under canvas coverings.]

1 perp not moving, holding weapon, in vehicle.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:55:40 PM
Surrounding build where suspect is on 2nd level.

Wells Fargo 1003 East Briar
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 06:55:57 PM

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

I've been following your posts (and others) all afternoon from the office.

Thank you for doing such a terrific job!
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Man barricaded in house nearby.  3rd suspect
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:56:56 PM
Fox News just reported that the LA Times just reported that one of the shooters had been in a meeting with the victims. Got in a heated argument, left, came back with the other two.
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:57:20 PM
I've been following your posts (and others) all afternoon from the office.

Thank you for doing such a terrific job!

I'll second that!

Thanks flowers!
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:57:51 PM
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 06:59:10 PM
Area residents ordered to shelter in place.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 06:59:47 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:02:29 PM
Residences are Code 4 (clear) no other explosives found
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:02:43 PM
Someone detained "he's on his knees"  (scanner chatter)

Curiously, a voice that didn't sound like any of the other cops/dispatchers broke in to say that we can confirm that everyone is accounted for. No one said "copy" after that.   :pondering:
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:03:51 PM
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:04:32 PM
Suspect believed to be barricaded in nearby church.  Police surrounding it.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:06:12 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
Fox news just said:

Two suspects dead in the street, at the dark SUV. The two dead WERE in the shooting situation.

One barricaded in a house/church... surrounded by tactical teams.

One in custody. No mention of a Farooq Aseed yet.
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Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 07:09:26 PM

These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?
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Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 07:10:31 PM
I'm quite confused at this point..
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:11:27 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:12:15 PM
These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?
I do not know. It sounds like yes, cannot confirm.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:12:39 PM
Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 8m8 minutes ago

All suspects who were in the SUV are accounted for. Still one suspect holed up. Others unknown. #SanBernardino
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:14:22 PM
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.
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Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 07:15:41 PM
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.

The media maybe trying to cover for Islam
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:16:20 PM
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:17:17 PM
The media maybe trying to cover for Islam
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
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Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 07:17:45 PM
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:19:10 PM
Alan Colmes @AlanColmes
   Planned Parenthood Clinic Across Street From San Bernardino Shooting http://colm.es/1Tw8tpd  #p2

The 57th State ?@EF517_V2 
As usual, you're full of shit. It's 2 miles away you dumb crossdresser


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Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 07:19:22 PM
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.

That is nonsensical, many of the Paris attackers took off as well...those with vehicles.
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Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 07:19:26 PM
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.

Reading my mind.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:20:27 PM
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
American Muslims might not have the same training or temperament as the suicide ISIS Muzzies who do stuff like the Paris attacks.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:22:00 PM
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 07:22:16 PM
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.

Last time I checked, Isis wasn't big on suicide missions, they prefer to kill another day. Several of the Paris attackers ran and one lady they thought was one of the terrorists seemed to have been forced to wear the suicide vests.
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Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:23:02 PM
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.

This is not ISIS.  Not enough dead.  They would have shot as many people in that building as they could have.  No, this was somebody pissed off at somebody or at the group which was in that conference room
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 07:23:07 PM
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.

if it takes a long time to release the identities, that is a good indication it is exactly what it was.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:23:52 PM
That is nonsensical, many of the Paris attackers took off as well...those with vehicles.
i know. Cnn trying to not tie it to isis.

=======================

4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
Cop talk:  Suspicious vehicle went by us, black Honda Civic, partial license #5YZ_82.  One occupant has beard.

Church at Gould and Richardson being mentioned. Not sure whether this is shooting-related.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:26:14 PM
4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.
Well, it did happen in a workplace. So did the Paris attacks - in several workplaces, including a cafe, a concert hall ...
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Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:26:33 PM
4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.

Exactly.  This is not random terror, which is ISIS' specialty.  Somebody was pissed and had accomplices (and why these other two would go down for this other clown is a mystery).
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Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:27:45 PM
Well, it did happen in a workplace. So did the Paris attacks - in several workplaces, including a cafe, a concert hall ...

But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY.  ISIS is random terror.  This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:28:21 PM
if it takes a long time to release the identities, that is a good indication it is exactly what it was.
Exactly
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 07:28:35 PM
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.

Not all ISIS killers are on a suicide mission.  Remember Paris?  There was a manhunt there, too.  For days.
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Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:28:45 PM
This is not ISIS.  Not enough dead.  They would have shot as many people in that building as they could have.  No, this was somebody pissed off at somebody or at the group which was in that conference room

So you're saying it's "workplace violence."  I'm sure Obama will say the same thing once it's confirmed that the shooters had Arabic ties.  You and Obama have very similar talking points these days.

  :whistle:
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:28:53 PM
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.

Sounds like it to me too.
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Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 07:29:31 PM
American Muslims might not have the same training or temperament as the suicide ISIS Muzzies who do stuff like the Paris attacks.

Also, I heard an expert say ISIS is learning. Their human assets (jihadists) in the United States are limited and so they'd rather they not off themselves, try to live another day to conduct more attacks.
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Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:29:51 PM
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY.  ISIS is random terror.  This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.

Hassan/Ft. Hood was workplace violence, too. 
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:30:31 PM
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY.  ISIS is random terror.  This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.

Just like Ft. Hood, eh??  **nononono*
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Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 07:30:40 PM
Have the authorities definitively identified the two dead as being suspects in the shooting this morning?

I would imagine there are a number of gang bangers with felony warrants in San Bernadino who might try to shoot their way out of an unforseen police engagement.
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:31:45 PM
Have the authorities definitively identified the two dead as being suspects in the shooting this morning?

I would imagine there are a number of gang bangers with felony warrants in San Bernadino who might try to shoot their way out of an unforseen police engagement.

I believe the authorities have said that they were the shooters with certainty.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:31:55 PM
Have the authorities definitively identified the two dead as being suspects in the shooting this morning?

I would imagine there are a number of gang bangers with felony warrants in San Bernadino who might try to shoot their way out of an unforseen police engagement.
While this shooting business was going on in San Bernardino, the other criminals in town probably weren't taking a break from their regular activities!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:33:29 PM
One suspect was at meeting targeting the event to make sure targets were on sight.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:33:32 PM
The authorities obviously know the names of the perps.  I imagine there is a massive data scrubbing operation going on at the NSA right now of those perps' footprints, except those that may tie them to the right, of course.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 07:33:39 PM
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY.  ISIS is random terror.  This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.

It seems this private party was for County employees but one would expect this kind of action to be undertaken by a lone kook if it was workplace related.   How did he get a couple others involved in his grievance to the extent they'd massacre innocents?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:34:37 PM
NBC Newschopper feed:

SWAT has moved down street to a new residence.

============

Cnn says they must know the dead shooters name. Took fingerprints off dead bo=========

=============

roh ruh a talker on Cnn just told erin this was a isis attack style
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:35:30 PM
  How did he get a couple others involved in his grievance to the extent they'd massacre innocents?
Yes pals who had full on body armor.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:36:19 PM
I have to comment on how freaking stupid it is to call a coordinated attack by three heavily-armed suspects, who obviously had planned this out in advance, as being "workplace violence."

I've never heard of three armored, uniformed, and obviously coordinated killers as being involved in a "workplace violence" massacre. 

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:36:22 PM
The Scandalous DJT ?@AceofSpadesHQ  45m45 minutes ago
i can sense a massive shift in the left from "this incident proves all of our political desiderata" to "Let's not make too much of this"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:36:37 PM
So you're saying it's "workplace violence."  I'm sure Obama will say the same thing once it's confirmed that the shooters had Arabic ties.  You and Obama have very similar talking points these days.

  :whistle:

Do you know the shooters had Arabic ties?  The theory being advanced on FOXNEWS on background by LEOs is that the main shooter went to the meeting to make sure the target or targets are there, then leave in a feigned huff, grab two accomplices who were already dressed out, and came in and shot JUST THE PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING OR PARTY. 

I don't know why you're attacking me.  I know I'm a jerk on Trump, but you're a jerk ON EVERY SINGLE THREAD. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:37:13 PM
NBC Newschopper feed:


roh ruh a talker on Cnn just told erin this was a isis attack style

It can't be.  They don't attack during work hours!!   **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 07:37:28 PM
It seems this Private Party was for County Employees but one would expect this kind of action to be undertaken by a lone kook if it was workplace related.   How did he get a couple others involved in his grievance to the extent they'd massacre innocents?

And get two others to go on a suicide mission?  That doesn't add up.  They would either have had their own grievance as well or be part of a larger cause in order to go on a mission that would almost certainly end in their deaths.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:38:29 PM


I don't know why you're attacking me.  I know I'm a jerk on Trump, but you're a jerk ON EVERY SINGLE THREAD.

I'm not attacking you.  I think you adamantly calling it "workplace violence" is dumb without knowing the entire facts of the shooting.  All signs now point to something other than every other "workplace violence" shooting in US history.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:39:11 PM
Just like Ft. Hood, eh??  **nononono*

Ft. Hood was random.  This appears to be targeted at certain individuals or a whole group.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:40:20 PM
Ft. Hood was random. This appears to be targeted at certain individuals or a whole group.


Wow

So Hassan's communications with terror groups were just a coincidence? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:40:37 PM
Cnn must be upset. Their talking heads keep on saying this was to well planned.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
Not all ISIS killers are on a suicide mission.  Remember Paris?  There was a manhunt there, too.  For days.

One thing about Isis I think everyone has noticed is they aren't operating like typical jihadi terrorists. They are acting more like a parasitic invader invading and staying to control, not just blow themselves up for the 72 Helen Thomases.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 07:41:35 PM
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.

Just to speculate, perhaps he/she entered the meeting knowing he/she wasn't going to be welcomed.  Maybe his/her intention ultimately was to see exactly WHO was at the meeting, and who sided against her/him.

Reports are that one perp was an Arabic woman.  Maybe SHE was the employee who had been fired or something.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:41:44 PM
John Nolte ?@NolteNC  5m5 minutes ago North Carolina, USA
I'm hearing reports of a car accident in Charlotte less than 22 miles from a Planned Parenthood.

Stephen Miller ?@redsteeze  5m5 minutes ago
My God... This shooting happened only 2,750 miles from Planned Parenthood's corporate offices. Are they on lockdown?

Donny Ferguson ?@DonnyFerguson  32m32 minutes ago
I just got email from the Democrat group "Democracy for America" fundraising off the San Bernadino deaths. Claims Paul Ryan is responsible.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:41:44 PM
I'm not attacking you.  I think you adamantly calling it "workplace violence" is dumb without knowing the entire facts of the shooting.  All signs now point to something other than every other "workplace violence" shooting in US history.

Well,I'm just advancing a theory.  I don't know, and you damned sure don't effing know.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:42:15 PM
Cnn must be upset. Their talking heads keep on saying this was to well planned.

That and the fact we didn't have some crazy-looking white guy on the TV as a suspect within an hour, too.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:42:31 PM
The authorities obviously know the names of the perps.  I imagine there is a massive data scrubbing operation going on at the NSA right now of those perps' footprints, except those that may tie them to the right, of course.
yep....notice that if the perp is white it sure doesn't take them long to release name.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:42:49 PM
Ft. Hood was random.  This appears to be targeted at certain individuals or a whole group.

You seriously think Ft. Hood was 'random??'

Never mind, I'm here to get information, not to engage in arguments......
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:42:56 PM
Well,I'm just advancing a theory.  I don't know, and you damned sure don't effing know.

No, your posts indicate that you do know, or do you not mean to post the words that you post?

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 07:43:14 PM
Fox has mentioned a few times this was possibly a 'dispute at a party'???????
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 07:43:38 PM
Just to speculate, perhaps he entered the meeting knowing he wasn't going to be welcomed.  Maybe his intention ultimately was to see exactly WHO was at the meeting, and who sided against him.

Then he leaves and returns with his accomplices.

Do we know the group holding the meeting?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:44:00 PM

Wow

So Hassan's communications with terror groups were just a coincidence?

The victims were random.

The victims here seem to have been targeted.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:44:38 PM
Just to speculate, perhaps he entered the meeting knowing he wasn't going to be welcomed.  Maybe his intention ultimately was to see exactly WHO was at the meeting, and who sided against him.

Then he leaves and returns with his accomplices.

That was the speculation on Fox.  He was scoping out the place, seeing who was there, and feigning anger.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
No, your posts indicate that you do know, or do you not mean to post the words that you post?

I'm putting you on ignore.  You're just trying to be provocative and I'm sick of it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 07:45:06 PM
This is not ISIS.  Not enough dead.  They would have shot as many people in that building as they could have.  No, this was somebody pissed off at somebody or at the group which was in that conference room

Whew....glad to be in agreement with you on this.   :laugh:

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:45:19 PM
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.

The house they are searching is a perps
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:45:32 PM
The victims were random.

The victims here seem to have been targeted.

The victims were all at Ft. Hood.

The victims here were all in a meeting.  Or did these three have a beef with every one of the 28 specific people that they shot?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:45:47 PM
Do we know the group holding the meeting?
I heard on FOX News it was a Christmas - er, Holiday - party for folks from the county health department. Do not know for sure.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:45:48 PM
Thanks for all the coverage flowers and everyone else...I don't feel good tonight....so just kind of watching...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:46:31 PM
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.

The house they are searching is a perps

Most workplace violent incidents involve pipe bombs being thrown out of cars, right?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:47:12 PM
I'm not making heads nor tails from these San Bernardino police/sheriff radio feeds. Half the time I think they're talking about other everyday police stuff, not this shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:47:30 PM
The victims were all at Ft. Hood.

The victims here were all in a meeting.  Or did these three have a beef with every one of the 28 specific people that they shot?

Bye.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 07:47:47 PM
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.

The house they are searching is a perps

Pipe bombs indicate much more planning than even a group of friends pissed off about a party deciding to go shoot someone. Not only do you have to build them, you have to learn how to build them (not hard on the internet but does indicate longer term premeditation).
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.

The house they are searching is a perps

Pipe bombs?  It's gonna be tough to beat the premeditated rap.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 07:48:33 PM

Cop talk:  Suspicious vehicle went by us, black Honda Civic, partial license #5YZ_82.  One occupant has beard.



That settles it!    :whistle:      **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:48:59 PM
Most workplace violent incidents involve pipe bombs being thrown out of cars, right?

And a possible IED on the scene.....

Not a chance this was "workplace violence."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
CNN "guy":  Pipe bombs and rifles may well point to them moving to another location.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 07:50:05 PM

Flowers has been awesome.

I was learning events here before radio and TV had it!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 07:50:57 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 07:51:04 PM
The authorities obviously know the names of the perps.  I imagine there is a massive data scrubbing operation going on at the NSA right now of those perps' footprints, except those that may tie them to the right, of course.

That's probably exactly what's going on.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 07:51:14 PM
Unless a lot of what is being chattered on reports is dead wrong (always a possibility), these aren't your typical Postal-variety crazies.  There was a bigger statement being made here and a lot more planning than an angry worker and a couple of buds drinking beer saying: "Yeah, let's go teach 'em a lesson!"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:51:25 PM
That settles it!    :whistle:      **nononono*


The leftist media will start reporting that it's Willie Robertson cause he's pro-life.......    :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:51:30 PM
Bye.

Code for "I give up, because I can't respond to your point."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 07:51:35 PM
Most workplace violent incidents involve pipe bombs being thrown out of cars, right?

Sure! They make them on the spot!

How freekin  goofy can some people get?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:52:01 PM
I'm not making heads nor tails from these San Bernardino police/sheriff radio feeds. Half the time I think they're talking about other everyday police stuff, not this shooting.
They switched channels it seems.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mrclose on December 02, 2015, 07:53:27 PM
This going around now! :shrug:

On Twitter: one suspect in custody an ARABIC FEMALE.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 07:53:30 PM
One suspect was at meeting targeting the event to make sure targets were on sight.

That's what I was thinking.   He/She wanted to make sure somebody was in there.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 07:54:08 PM
Code for "I give up, because I can't respond to your point."

No code. Just sick of your aggravation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
Isis on twitter cheering the attack. Called the attackers the 'three lions'.

http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/

Am I allowed to say Muslims are cheering? You won't get any speculation from me on the number of celebrants, though.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 07:54:52 PM
This going around now! :shrug:

On Twitter: one suspect in custody an ARABIC FEMALE.

"The Republicans are now afraid of widows and orphans"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 07:54:56 PM
NBC Newschopper feed:

SWAT has moved down street to a new residence.

============

Cnn says they must know the dead shooters name. Took fingerprints off dead bo=========

=============

roh ruh a talker on Cnn just told erin this was a isis attack style

They took fingerprints off the dead bodies because they either carried no identification...OR...the bodies were unidentifiable.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 07:55:01 PM
Isis on twitter cheering the attack. Called the attackers the 'three lions'.

http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/

Whoa!  That's telling.........
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:56:12 PM
2 suspects in vehicle are deceased. One is female, apparently.

===============

Listening to ABC-7, the reporter at the SUV scene said he thought he saw a red bra and that the suspect looked like a female.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 07:56:16 PM
That's what I was thinking.   He/She wanted to make sure somebody was in there.

The FBI guy on CNN says these tactics are more "Middle Eastern" than "criminal".  Throwing pipe bombs out of a get away car is used frequently in the Middle East to stop the police chasing them.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:57:14 PM
That settles it!    :whistle:      **nononono*
I know!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 07:57:39 PM

Wow

So Hassan's communications with terror groups were just a coincidence?

I believe Sink is saying that the victims Hasan targeted were random.  Not the location.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 02, 2015, 07:59:22 PM
When something awful like this happens, we all as human beings try to use our life experience, as well as our conscious and subconscious preferences to try to make sense of it. Speculation inevitably follows.

Please bear in mind that we can only know what we have been told, by people who themselves have access to limited and imperfect information. 

In time, the truth will be known. For now, my prayers for those who have been hurt or killed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 07:59:48 PM
And John Kerry today says he wants more refugees from Syria...85,000 next year, 100,000 the year after.

Dude just has the best sense of timing I've ever seen.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 08:00:01 PM
The FBI guy on CNN says these tactics are more "Middle Eastern" than "criminal".  Throwing pipe bombs out of a get away car is used frequently in the Middle East to stop the police chasing them.   :shrug:

Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.

These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 02, 2015, 08:00:28 PM
No code. Just sick of your aggravation.

It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.


And that means what?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 08:02:14 PM
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.

I'm done. I've been done for several posts. Talk to the other party.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 08:02:26 PM
And John Kerry today says he wants more refugees from Syria...85,000 next year, 100,000 the year after.

Dude just has the best sense of timing I've ever seen.

So true.   88devil
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 08:03:02 PM
And that means what?

They were incompetent or they were never intended to go off.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 08:03:19 PM
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 08:04:00 PM
They were incompetent or they were never intended to go off.

Why throw them if they're never intended to go off?  I think incompetent is the only correct answer here. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 08:04:45 PM
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?

They're now going door to door in a residential area.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 08:06:40 PM
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?

There may not be a third suspect.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:11:39 PM
Cnn.....manhunt on the way.

==============

Re: Eyewitness saying on Fox News perps had black beards.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:13:25 PM
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?
They are going door to door. Cnn just had a guy call in and tell them they knocked on his door.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQzf7nVAAA9Z4G.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQ0C_eWsAAGqqD.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:14:10 PM
 Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

Another IED has been found. #sanbernardino
1 retweet 0 likes
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 08:14:29 PM
Cnn.....manhunt on the way.

==============

Re: Eyewitness saying on Fox News perps had black beards.

One of the suspects was reported to be  a female.  So, she had a beard?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 08:14:33 PM
There must be damned good reason they think there are more out there.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
Cnn.....manhunt on the way.

==============

Re: Eyewitness saying on Fox News perps had black beards.

Disgruntled employees upset their employers didn't provide shaving kits...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:16:52 PM
Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

Another IED has been found. #sanbernardino
1 retweet 0 likes
OK so lets get this straight. Workplace violence. Handy guy gets pissed off gets his buddies who just happen to have full body armor and pipe bombs. Oh IEDs too. Yeah not terrorism.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:18:11 PM
Disgruntled employees upset their employers didn't provide shaving kits...
Yeah disgruntled employees always have full body armor, IEDs ,pipe bombs.  :smokin: 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 08:18:26 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:19:59 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/san-bernadino-mass-shooting/

4:55 p.m.: CNN reports that a home in Redlands, CA is being searched and that one of the suspects apparently lives there. The reports of pipe bombs have been confirmed. The suspects apparently threw them from the SUV to distract police during the chase
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:20:25 PM
AP:

5:05 p.m.

Police are serving a search warrant on a home in Redlands, California, in connection with the deadly shooting at a social services facility in neighboring San Bernardino.

City spokesman Carl Baker says Redlands police are assisting San Bernardino police in the search connected to the Wednesday morning shooting that killed at least 14 people and wounded more than a dozen others.

An Associated Press reporter watched as a half-dozen vehicles carrying helmeted police drove into the area. One officer carrying an assault rifle ordered reporters to clear the area, and an armored vehicle parked outside a row of homes.

The action followed a gunbattle between occupants of an SUV and San Bernardino police not far from the original shooting scene.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 08:24:25 PM
Perp walks into the part knowing she is not welcomed, but she needs to find out if the person(s) she going to shoot are there.

After they yell at her to leave, she "feigns anger"....goes out to the vehicle.

"...Now you know the Rest of the Story"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:24:52 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 02, 2015, 08:25:49 PM
OK so lets get this straight. Workplace violence. Handy guy gets pissed off gets his buddies who just happen to have full body armor and pipe bombs. Oh IEDs too. Yeah not terrorism.

Yes, that would seem highly unlikely. At least some degree of planning appears to be involved. That would not rule out a workplace dispute, but the involvement of other parties tends to indicate shared motivation. The FBI is busy tonight.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:26:15 PM
I believe Sink is saying that the victims Hasan targeted were random.  Not the location.

How does the LA Times know that one of the perps was in the conference room prior to the shooting when the names of the shooters hasn't even been released yet?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:26:28 PM
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:27:05 PM

In time, the truth will be known.

I doubt it.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 08:27:57 PM
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

And they are right!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:28:04 PM
How does the LA Times know that one of the perps was in the conference room prior to the shooting when the names of the shooters hasn't even been released yet?

An eyewitness in the room said that a man came into the meeting, got angry, left and came back with the other two.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:28:19 PM
5:15 p.m.: CNN reports that the conference center at the Inland Regional Center, which is where the shooting took place, had been rented by San Bernadino County personnel for the purpose of holding an annual holiday party.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:29:13 PM
These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.

Is this you still speculating on a "theory?" 

The Paris attacks weren't "random," either, in that specific locations were targeted.

Again, how does the LA Times know that one of the shooters had been in the room before the IDs of the shooters were even known?   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 08:29:29 PM
5:15 p.m.: CNN reports that the conference center at the Inland Regional Center, which is where the shooting took place, had been rented by San Bernadino County personnel for the purpose of holding an annual holiday party.

Geez....I heard that about 4 hours ago.   :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:29:47 PM
And they are right!

I know we're not supposed to speculate this early on......... BUT........................
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

So ISIS terrorists are now targeting the Health Department of San Bernardino county?  What sense does that make?  Why not shoot up the entire building if this is ISIS-style terrorism?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 08:31:00 PM
I think this attack was carried out by space aliens.

Well, if we're all just speculating......
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:31:32 PM
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.

These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.

Another option is they were looking for a soft target that would be terrifying to people, a hospital. They may not have known the details about what type or who was in the meeting room. What they did was see a hospital and quickly scope out the easiest in and out with the most number of people. From observations, they saw that room had the most people in a small space. The news is saying this was also the only part of the building that was not secure (controlled access). It may not have been completely random but not personal motive with the group either but calculated to be the easiest access with the largest number of people in the smallest space.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 02, 2015, 08:32:19 PM
Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.
I have been working on a real estate deal yesterday and today with a Los Angeles Fire Dept./EMT friend and client. All this afternoon he has not responded to my text, which is how we communicate when he is working. My guess is that his unit may have rotated into a support role because of this emergency.

Guys like him are the very best. He served in the military as a medic. He lost friends trapped in a fire in Arizona; those guys that jump in behind the lines.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:32:43 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:33:20 PM
Why throw them if they're never intended to go off?  I think incompetent is the only correct answer here.

Pipe bombs aren't meant to be thrown out of car windows.

My guess is they were heading to another location for another attack, and thankfully LE caught them before they arrived there.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:34:33 PM
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.

Yes, I'll stop.  I apologize for letting my personal animosity toward a poster sidetrack this thread about a horrific day in CA.   :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:36:19 PM
Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.

Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:36:44 PM
Perp walks into the part knowing she is not welcomed, but she needs to find out if the person(s) she going to shoot are there.

After they yell at her to leave, she "feigns anger"....goes out to the vehicle.

"...Now you know the Rest of the Story"

I'm guessing if this is true, she was just confirming that the Christmas party was actually happening, and every Christian in it was a "target."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:38:03 PM
Presser asalt type clothing, hand guns one male one female.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 08:38:16 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:38:19 PM
Yes, that would seem highly unlikely. At least some degree of planning appears to be involved. That would not rule out a workplace dispute, but the involvement of other parties tends to indicate shared motivation. The FBI is busy tonight.

If the FBI spends more than 10 minutes before figuring out this isn't "workplace violence," Director Comey should step down at the end of the week.

"some degree of planning"

"tends to indicate"

What's happened to my country?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 02, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:38:58 PM
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

btw, they named Farooq Saaed, and said his name had come over their scanners.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:39:03 PM
An eyewitness in the room said that a man came into the meeting, got angry, left and came back with the other two.

Other reports say the female went into the room.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 08:39:19 PM
Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark

I never did trust folks in Irvine.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:39:40 PM
Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark
Nah Century City suburb.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:40:45 PM
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:41:52 PM
Other reports say the female went into the room.   :shrug:

Information is always confused early on.  We'll find out eventually.....

(I think it now sounds like it was the woman).
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 08:42:09 PM
I don't think a citizen of Qatar is going to be working at the San Bernardino Inland Regional Center.

The other suspect, whose name has been advanced as Farooq Saeed, did work at the San Bernardino Health Department, which was the target of the attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 02, 2015, 08:43:04 PM
If the FBI spends more than 10 minutes before figuring out this isn't "workplace violence," Director Comey should step down at the end of the week.

"some degree of planning"

"tends to indicate"

What's happened to my country?

A lot, and little of it good. But that does not mean that we abandon caution in the absence of reliable information. But when I hear that at least one of those involved was from Qatar, a major state sponsor of terrorism... that starts to change, and quickly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:43:19 PM
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!

They know that everyone knows........

Neighborhood is clear now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 08:43:22 PM
Information is always confused early on.  We'll find out eventually.....

(I think it now sounds like it was the woman).

Maybe she was fighting the war on women

/snark
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:43:35 PM
presser...person running from vehicle detained.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:43:46 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:44:42 PM
btw, they named Farooq Saaed, and said his name had come over their scanners.

Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:45:12 PM
Maybe she was fighting the war on women

/snark


hehe............ 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:45:28 PM
they came dressed and equipped gear. Tactical gear. from presser
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:45:46 PM
I'm sure we'll be hearing soon that he recently converted to Christianity.

Pro-life Rush listener who was angry over the fake Planned Parenthood videos... oh yea, and ate GMOs, liked Chick-fil-a and was a climate change denier.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:46:09 PM
Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.

LOTS better.

And better than what the chief of police knows too.......
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 08:46:57 PM
The other suspect, whose name has been advanced as Farooq Saeed, did work at the San Bernardino Health Department, which was the target of the attack.

And Farooq just happened to have a Qatari citizen and an unknown woman willing to go to their deaths to right a workplace wrong of some kind?  Three from an Islamic background just happen to engage in an act of workplace violence?  And all we have been hearing for weeks is that attacks in America are imminent?

Methinks that is a stretch a bit too far in these days.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.

The media had the same access to scanners as flowers and others did.  flowers is interested in the truth.  Watch the MSM cover-up of this begin, just like the Roseburg shooting did when it came out that the shooter specifically targeted Christians.

We have a Muslim terrorist in the White House.  I'm convinced of it at this point.  What did he do in Pakistan in the early 1980s with his Pakistani roommate?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
BORe said in his experience, when the FBI guy said they won't rule out terrorism (versus immediately saying it wasn't or ascribing another motive), it most likely is the motive but they won't say for sure until they have absolute proof .
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:49:17 PM
Pro-life Rush listener who was angry over the fake Planned Parenthood videos... oh yea, and ate GMOs, liked Chick-fil-a and was a climate change denier.

Those mean and hateful people at the Christmas party wouldn't let the Arab person who had recently converted into their party.  Poor person had no choice but to murder them!

I can write the liberal narrative for them if they want me to do so.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
San Bernardino: Shot three times, man calls father and wife to say 'I love you... Don't worry'

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shot-three-times-man-calls-father-wife-to-say-i-love-you-20151202-story.html

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
Those mean and hateful people at the Christmas party wouldn't let the Arab person who had recently converted into their party.  Poor person had no choice but to murder them!

I can write the liberal narrative for them if they want me to do so.

I expect we'll be hearing something like this from an 'expert' on MSNBC tomorrow.......... 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 08:52:34 PM
And Farooq just happened to have a Qatari citizen and an unknown woman willing to go to their deaths to right a workplace wrong of some kind?  Three from an Islamic background just happen to engage in an act of workplace violence?  And all we have been hearing for weeks is that attacks in America are imminent?

Methinks that is a stretch a bit too far in these days.

Really?  Damn!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 08:52:59 PM
Those mean and hateful people at the Christmas party wouldn't let the Arab person who had recently converted into their party.  Poor person had no choice but to murder them!

I can write the liberal narrative for them if they want me to do so.

Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:53:31 PM
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook

If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker (says Environmental Health Specialist which could mean he cleans air vents). If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 08:55:35 PM
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook

If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker. If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.

You and I are thinking the same thing...see just above your post.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:56:15 PM
Cnn trying to say person upset came back and did this. Also cannot understand why they picked this event. soft target you idiots. Cnn how did this guy who was upset come back so quickly with EIDs pipe bombs and full on tack gear.? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:57:26 PM
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook

If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker (says Environmental Health Specialist which could mean he cleans air vents). If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.

Environmental Health Specialist???   A friend of the Obama administration??   :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 08:57:30 PM
Lead shooter was US citizen . ..per Fox News . .
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:59:07 PM
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.

With that new SUV, the expensive weaponry, and apparently a house, it's obvious that minimum-wage Farooq was getting financial help from somewhere else to plot this elaborate "workplace violence" incident.

It appears to be the very definition of a sleeper cell as we've been warned about.  Assimilating so not to raise flags, yet being funded by others to carry out violence.  Same thing as the Paris cell, by the way. 

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:59:25 PM
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.
yep....... they have had 7 years to infiltrate our system.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
Cnn trying to say person upset came back and did this. Also cannot understand why they picked this event. soft target you idiots. Cnn how did this guy who was upset come back so quickly with EIDs pipe bombs and full on tack gear.?

They have no frigin idea as to whether or not the person who allegedly left that party is one of the participants in the shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 08:59:52 PM
Lead shooter was US citizen . ..per Fox News . .

What is a "lead shooter?"  The one who said "come on guys!!!"?

They are all murderers, and possibly at this point all Muslim terrorists.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:01:02 PM
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!

They're handling the media aspect of this with kid gloves. 

We all know what that implies: Politically inexpedient perpetrators.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
The person had already been fired and they told them to haul a$$.

They just wanted to be sure the party had started and that their supervisor was there.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook

If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker (says Environmental Health Specialist which could mean he cleans air vents). If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.
Just like the 9/11 attackers. They went to flight schools and wanted only to learn how to take off not land. They are all over in this country now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 02, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.


That is my thinking as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:05:27 PM
They have no frigin idea as to whether or not the person who allegedly left that party is one of the participants in the shooting.
That is what they want to run with. It will be the story. Even though pipe bombs, IEDs and tac gear takes time to make and get.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 09:05:41 PM
Just like the 9/11 attackers. They went to flight schools and wanted only to learn how to take off not land. They are all over in this country now.

Unfortunately true! And many more in the pipeline!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 09:06:48 PM
If Farooq had nothing to do with this, and was just caught up in a badly timed office party argument, you think he could not get to the media fast enough, to say "I'm innocent", or even a family member or attorney to speak for him. but it seems he disappeared from the planet.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:06:54 PM
The person had already been fired and they told them to haul :nono:.

They just wanted to be sure the party had started and that their supervisor was there.   :shrug:

This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 09:07:15 PM
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

Exactly.  Minor league copy cat attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 09:08:43 PM
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 09:09:30 PM
This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.

I think you nailed it!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:10:44 PM
Roh ruh the guy on Cnn Bear I think is his last name he always goes against the terrorism theme. Call it terrorism
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:11:07 PM
Exactly.  Minor league copy cat attack.

Minor league?  Tell that to the families of the dead.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:12:10 PM
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

Is Roseburg, OR a major city, where the shooter was asking his victims their religion, and was shooting Christians?   Notice how that story went away quickly?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
Minor league?  Tell that to the families of the dead.

Minor league in terms of the number of dead.  No disrespect meant to the dead at all.

Sheesh.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.
yep......that is the MO of all of the events. If a white guy, right away. Not helping the agenda.....trying to find a way to make it so.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:13:47 PM
Minor league in terms of the number of dead.  No disrespect meant to the dead at all.

Thanks for clarifying, and good to hear.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Exactly.  Minor league copy cat attack.

What an absolutely disgusting thing to say.  You should be ashamed of yourself, except for you clearly lack any sense of shame.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 09:14:02 PM
Exactly.  Minor league copy cat attack.


Home grown Islamic Terrorism.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
Minor league?  Tell that to the families of the dead.

Some people REFUSE to pull their heads out of the sand regardless of the evidence all around them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 02, 2015, 09:14:14 PM
Is Roseburg, OR a major city, where the shooter was asking his victims their religion, and was shooting Christians?   Notice how that story went away quickly?
Wasn't the perpetrator of that massacre an agnostic, or something like that? Again, not Islamic.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 09:14:22 PM
This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.

I like that take, ArneFufkin!   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 09:14:33 PM
Minor league?  Tell that to the families of the dead.

"Minor league" sounds a lot like "JV team" and minimizes the terror and horror of what happened today.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:14:43 PM
I think you nailed it!

Especially two days after the idiot in the White House informed Americans and the World that Global Warming was a bigger threat to our lives and futures than Islamist Terror.   Did global warming kill 14 innocent souls in San Bernadino today?   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.

Good insight. That thought passed my mind. It just didn't stop there....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
Thanks for clarifying, and good to hear.

It was a stupid thing to post in the first place.  14 dead is not "minor league" anything, regardless.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:16:19 PM
NBC Nightly NewsVerified account @NBCNightlyNews 3m3 minutes ago DEVELOPING: SWAT vehicle ramming home in Redlands, Calif., near San Bernardino.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQ_YTmUEAAMaQh.png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQ__mDUEAAhpZO.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Fishrrman on December 02, 2015, 09:16:22 PM
jmyrle wrote above:
"These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror."

Why smaller cities?
Softer, easier targets.
There are hundreds of them and thousands of locations like this one from which to choose.

The "uncertainty" of where you can strike next increases the level of anxiety EVERYwhere.

As we see places like New York and D.C. "toughened", the logical choice is to target "nowheresville", because you can't protect these places.

From the terrorist perspective, this will be critiqued as a highly successful operation.

We're going to see more like it.
Perhaps many more.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:16:50 PM
Wasn't the perpetrator of that massacre an agnostic, or something like that? Again, not Islamic.

No, the shooter there had ISIS links on his Facebook page, and one of his few "friends" was an overseas Muslim.

Why are some of you so quick to defend the Death Cult known as Islam?  I don't get it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 09:18:09 PM
No, the shooter there had ISIS links on his Facebook page, and one of his few "friends" was an overseas Muslim.

Why are some of you so quick to defend the Death Cult known as Islam?  I don't get it.


I don't defend Islam, I have worked with Muslims here in America and it didn't bother me.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 02, 2015, 09:18:20 PM
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.
But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.

This has all the hallmarks of an act of retaliation. Islamic terrorists have been known to do that; see, for example, Charlie Hebdo. The question is, what triggered this (not to say that it is justified by any means, because it is certainly not)?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 09:18:32 PM
"Minor league" sounds a lot like "JV team" and minimizes the terror and horror of what happened today.

 

Minor leaguers are still professionals.  This is not a major terrorist attack. It was targeted at a small group of people for, likely a very specific reason.

It may be a terrorist attack.  We just don't know yet until we know if Farooq Saeed had threatened to get back at his employers or had been fired or something else.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Charlespg on December 02, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
prerecorded


http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt


peaceful muslims my ass :facepalm2:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 09:19:35 PM
jmyrle wrote above:
"These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror."

Why smaller cities?
Softer, easier targets.
There are hundreds of them and thousands of locations like this one from which to choose.

The "uncertainty" of where you can strike next increases the level of anxiety EVERYwhere.

As we see places like New York and D.C. "toughened", the logical choice is to target "nowheresville", because you can't protect these places.

From the terrorist perspective, this will be critiqued as a highly successful operation.

We're going to see more like it.
Perhaps many more.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:21:03 PM
This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.

I'm in Portland, OR, so it's early here, but it's getting late on the east coast, and I'm sure the White House will be pulling an all-nighter, minus their lazy and stupid president, to try and spin this as anything other than a terror attack on a Christmas party.   They have about 8 hours to come out with talking points before the morning news programs begin.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 09:21:32 PM
Is Roseburg, OR a major city, where the shooter was asking his victims their religion, and was shooting Christians?   Notice how that story went away quickly?

Good point.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:21:46 PM
It was a stupid thing to post in the first place.  14 dead is not "minor league" anything, regardless.

Sometimes Sink gets ahead of himself.  He clarified.  Good enough.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 09:21:58 PM


Minor leaguers are still professionals.  This is not a major terrorist attack. It was targeted at a small group of people for, likely a very specific reason.

It may be a terrorist attack.  We just don't know yet until we know if Farooq Saeed had threatened to get back at his employers or had been fired or something else.


You don't compile pipe bombs for a getaway.   And you sure as hell don't sit in the back seat with an AR-15 strapped to your chest...unless you're planning on hitting another site.

Just something to consider.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 09:22:04 PM
prerecorded


http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt (http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt)


peaceful muslims my ass :facepalm2:


So what is your solution? Kick all of the Muslims out?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 09:23:11 PM

You don't compile pipe bombs for a getaway.   And you sure as hell don't sit in the back seat with an AR-15 strapped to your chest...unless you're planning on hitting another site.

Just something to consider.

The police chief clarified in the last news conference that the pipe "bombs" had no explosives in them.  So they were decoys.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 09:23:58 PM
prerecorded


http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt


peaceful muslims my ass :facepalm2:

Have just one question....please indulge me.

Howza come your post spells out the "a" word, but I get  :nono:  ?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 09:24:34 PM
The police chief clarified in the last news conference that the pipe "bombs" had no explosives in them.  So they were decoys.

Thanks, Sink!   :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:24:57 PM
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.

In this day of social media and 24 hour news cycles, any city can play a story like a major big city. Drive from LA to San Bernardino and you wouldn't know you left one town and entered another except the signs and the time it takes, it is all just one big sprawl. So it is a major media hub.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:25:02 PM
The police chief clarified in the last news conference that the pipe "bombs" had no explosives in them.  So they were decoys.

Still, earlier the FBI rep was discussing how using pipe bombs during a get away is a tactic from the Middle East.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 09:26:04 PM
But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.

This has all the hallmarks of an act of retaliation. Islamic terrorists have been known to do that; see, for example, Charlie Hebdo. The question is, what triggered this (not to say that it is justified by any means, because it is certainly not)?

It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 09:28:23 PM
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.


To be more honest I'm afraid of ISIS supporters who are American citizens. Mainly the home grown variety.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
Name of the prime shooter was Sayeed Faroouk.  An American citizen.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:29:51 PM
But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.

This has all the hallmarks of an act of retaliation. Islamic terrorists have been known to do that; see, for example, Charlie Hebdo. The question is, what triggered this (not to say that it is justified by any means, because it is certainly not)?

It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:30:40 PM
Recorded link of the SUV shoot-out, police scanner audio
http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt

===========================

 Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 9m9 minutes ago

Police are about to detonate one of the explosive devices. Advising officers to back up/ take cover behind a vehicle. #SanBernardino
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:30:43 PM
Name of the prime shooter was Sayeed Faroouk.  An American citizen.

Does that rule out Islamic terror?  (Who deemed him the "prime shooter"?)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 09:31:00 PM
In this day of social media and 24 hour news cycles, any city can play a story like a major big city. Drive from LA to San Bernardino and you wouldn't know you left one town and entered another except the signs and the time it takes, it is all just one big sprawl. So it is a major media hub.

Right. 

Similar to the threat at Polaris Mall I mentioned above right after 9/11.   I shop in that Mall, and it certainly scared the wits out of me sitting in the middle of Ohio....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:31:37 PM

I don't defend Islam, I have worked with Muslims here in America and it didn't bother me.

I have Muslim friends.  They don't take their faith literally, though.  The one that did refused to let his white American wife who was our college friend associate with us "infidels" after about a year of their marriage, and ended up moving them to Saudi Arabia about 6 years ago after years of them disappearing from everybody's social life, along with their kids.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:31:50 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:32:07 PM
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty. 

 goopo
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 09:32:11 PM
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.

Arne.....you should spend more time with us.

Really like your POV and the way you express it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:32:40 PM

To be more honest I'm afraid of ISIS supporters who are American citizens. Mainly the home grown variety.

I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 09:32:50 PM
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.

You are on a roll tonight!    :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:33:11 PM
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.

Also remember that Isis is not Al Qaeda, they operate very differently. They don't go for one big publicity attack but a lot of, what I referred to earlier, as parasitic attacks. They also don't seem to be that fond of killing themselves up for the sake of jihad but living to fight another day or at least to the next target. They seem to be a lot more political in wanting to establish a caliphate as they've declared, and part of that is possible extending influence so they will want as many attacks, no matter the size, in as many diverse locations as possible. They seem to want to weaken political resolve of opponents so they are left to grow their caliphate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:33:55 PM
Arne.....you should spend more time with us.

Really like your POV and the way you express it.

Thanks DC, that's nice.

I'll be by here often as we wind into Election season.  This is a great place!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 09:34:03 PM
Does that rule out Islamic terror?  (Who deemed him the "prime shooter"?)

Are you on some kind of hair-trigger toward me?

No. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.  And I'm just repeating "prime shooter" because he was the guy who was employed by the Health Department that he and an accomplice shot up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:35:20 PM
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

Is it still the NOI primarily recruiting and evangelizing in prisons?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Charlespg on December 02, 2015, 09:36:13 PM

So what is your solution? Kick all of the Muslims out?
If necessary H*** yes

I have read their koran

they have the world divided

D?r al-?arb ...house of war

thats us and the rest of the kufars (the civilized world )

dar al islam ...any country under Islamic rule

read the koran  its very plain about violence and death regarding non muslims
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.


Exactly..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 09:37:25 PM
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

Like the ones Obama will likely pardon before he leaves office?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:37:36 PM
Are you on some kind of hair-trigger toward me?

No.  In fact, I defended you a few posts up.

Quote
No. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.  And I'm just repeating "prime shooter" because he was the guy who was employed by the Health Department that he and an accomplice shot up. 

In all candor, Sink, there are many times when you post one sentence, without context or a point.  The post I asked about was one of those.

Thanks again for clarifying.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:37:46 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 09:38:18 PM
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.

Terrorists are independent contractors essentially. Some are more proficient than others.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 09:38:18 PM
If necessary H*** yes

I have read their koran

they have the world divided

D?r al-?arb ...house of war

thats us and the rest of the kufars (the civilized world )

dar al islam ...any country under Islamic rule

read the koran  its very plain about violence and death regarding non muslims


So we should also kick out American citizens who are Muslim?? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:38:59 PM
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.

Maybe they'll blame it on a video, perhaps some NRA promo on the internet.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:39:16 PM

So we should also kick out American citizens who are Muslim??

Let's stay on topic tonight.  We'll have this debate soon enough.

Thanks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 02, 2015, 09:39:39 PM
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.
Totally agree with that.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
Maybe they'll blame it on a video, perhaps some NRA promo on the internet.

A friend came up with a good term tonight for them, #TragedyVultures, I think that's a perfect description and I'm about to start hitting Hill and other's twitter with it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:43:21 PM
These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?

They probably had a driver waiting with the SUV, which would make four total.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:44:02 PM
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.

Exactly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:44:06 PM
God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 02, 2015, 09:44:24 PM
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.

Yes. Possibly change of tactics to make it more difficult to profile, plan and deter
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 09:44:35 PM
Let's stay on topic tonight.  We'll have this debate soon enough.

Thanks.

No we won't have that debate.  We do not discriminate on the basis of religion in this country.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!

....and as the person she was talking to not 20 minutes ago pointed out, that was the only part of the building that wasn't secured with controlled access.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 09:45:35 PM
God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!

A point which most of us picked up on.......
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:45:38 PM
No we won't have that debate.  We do not discriminate on the basis of religion in this country.

Okay.  Then we're good for staying on topic?   ^-^
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:46:51 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.

That they didn't commit suicide is not determinative.  It sounds like a local cell was activated; they would most likely be Americans who were recruited, with possibly a foreign handler/manager, and those people - the American recruits - would probably not be able to carry out the final act, the suicide, because not as fully vested as a foreign cadre would be.  I've heard of this happening here and there overseas.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 02, 2015, 09:47:33 PM


Minor leaguers are still professionals.  This is not a major terrorist attack. It was targeted at a small group of people for, likely a very specific reason.

It may be a terrorist attack.  We just don't know yet until we know if Farooq Saeed had threatened to get back at his employers or had been fired or something else.

I clearly understand your point, sink.
Horrific? Certainly.
Terrorism? Almost certainly.
Jihad sympathizers? Likely.
A formal cell of ISIS or similar? Maybe not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:48:30 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:48:48 PM
Exactly.  This is not random terror, which is ISIS' specialty.  Somebody was pissed and had accomplices (and why these other two would go down for this other clown is a mystery).

And they just happened to have body armor and etc?  How convenient.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:49:42 PM
....and as the person she was talking to not 20 minutes ago pointed out, that was the only part of the building that wasn't secured with controlled access.
Cnn  upset with that as well. why target that area.   Duh!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:50:00 PM
. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.

So now that's back into play?  Have your read your posts in this thread, when you were adamant it was "workplace violence," and lashed out at those who offered alternate reasons for these shootings?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
And they just happened to have body armor and etc?  How convenient.
Yes really convenient.  :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 09:51:29 PM
And they just happened to have body armor and etc? 

Doesn't everyone?   :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:54:14 PM
Code for "I give up, because I can't respond to your point."

drop it
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:54:52 PM
No code. Just sick of your aggravation.

how 'bout dropping it
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:55:14 PM
That they didn't commit suicide is not determinative.  It sounds like a local cell was activated; they would most likely be Americans who were recruited, with possibly a foreign handler/manager, and those people - the American recruits - would probably not be able to carry out the final act, the suicide, because not as fully vested as a foreign cadre would be.  I've heard of this happening here and there overseas.

The Paris shooters didn't commit suicide.  Why is the far left so intent on importing terrorists into the USA?  Why does the media excuse Islamic terrorism?   Do they really think that Obama doesn't want Islam to have a stronger foothold in the USA?  Are they all mentally ill, or masochistic, or just so blinded by loyalty to liberalism they can't see what is right in front of their face?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 09:55:23 PM
Terrorists are independent contractors essentially. Some are more proficient than others.

This got me thinking. What are qualifications to be a terrorist? I mean, is there a screening process? Do you get an interview? Does senior management take you to lunch, check you out?

You know when the ad reads "...experience with self detonation required," they're not getting the cream of the crop.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 02, 2015, 09:55:23 PM
I commend the law enforcement guys for their response, they did well.
As confusing as all of this was... at least from my view...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:55:26 PM
Am I allowed to say Muslims are cheering? You won't get any speculation from me on the number of celebrants, though.

Of course you are, because they are.  Let's just be careful about saying they're in Jersey City.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:56:43 PM
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.

These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.

So they didn't get the bombs built correctly.  That doesn't vitiate the basic point.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:57:35 PM
Workplace violence and Islamic terrorism aren't necessarily isolated from each other. It isn't exactly like there is a membership card and secret decoder ring you carry if you are part of Isis. They use the internet and social media in particular to spread their message and influence people to their cause. Their websites and magazines are slick propaganda machines. They easily can target those who are disaffected or mentally unstable and provide the nudges and the information they need to act in a way that is conducive to their cause without actually sending them to training camps.

Politicians don't want to address this (but Anonymous is all over it) because it means that anyone can be currently influenced to act in a way that is beneficial to them.

This isn't clear like the guys with the white hats against the guys in the black hats.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 09:57:52 PM
Disgruntled employees upset their employers didn't provide shaving kits...


:silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:59:42 PM
or just so blinded by loyalty to liberalism they can't see what is right in front of their face?
that is the answer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 10:00:08 PM
So they didn't get the bombs built correctly.  That doesn't vitiate the basic point.

I may dig into some Anonymous pages where they are going after their guides and magazines and see what they say about building these things and strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if they encourage fake bombs for diversion and deflection.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:00:29 PM
So ISIS terrorists are now targeting the Health Department of San Bernardino county?  What sense does that make?  Why not shoot up the entire building if this is ISIS-style terrorism?

soft target of opportunity.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 10:01:15 PM
So they didn't get the bombs built correctly.  That doesn't vitiate the basic point.

They didn't just "not build them correctly."  They forgot to put explosives in the pipes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:02:00 PM
Goodnight you all!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 10:03:31 PM
They didn't just "not build them correctly."  They forgot to put explosives in the pipes.

Did those people chasing them have any way of knowing that?

GEEEZ you are tiresome!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 10:04:30 PM
This got me thinking. What are qualifications to be a terrorist? I mean, is there a screening process? Do you get an interview? Does senior management take you to lunch, check you out?

You know when the ad reads "...experience with self detonation required," they're not getting the cream of the crop.

Kind of my point too.

Isis blankets Facebook pages with messages looking for people not happy with their employers, teachers, or family. they start to influence.  They start prodding and leading them to do their bidding.

The target of opportunity is not the location they attack, but the opportunity to have an attacker.

In other words, their victory isn't hitting specific targets. Their victory is recruiting people to take action, no matter what the target.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 10:05:02 PM
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

There is also a tremendous number of active-duty US Army who practice Islam.  Of course the vast majority are black.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:07:03 PM
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

True.  But it is more consistent with a locally-recruited sleeper cell; individuals who have never received hard-core training overseas and instead have been instructed to hit targets of opportunity that they find.  I believe I recall reading a little news item some time ago that there was a fear that the Americans and Europeans who made their way to Syria and etc were basically being given some rudimentary training and told to go back home and then pick a target and go for it.  Nothing major, just a soft target that the recruits could manage.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 02, 2015, 10:10:18 PM
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
I notice this big time, for there hasn't been very much focus on Lost Angeles, our 2nd largest city. I think the terrorists' point is yes, we can do it there too.

And they certainly have a diverse population within which to mingle. LA is for instance the largest place for Iranians, out side Iran. Not saying this is Iranian, BTW--just portraying the multi-cultural aspect of this huge metro area.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 10:10:43 PM
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

You are thinking too small...too limited a pattern. It leaves no room for a new thing.  It's like expecting military tactics to never change, that's how societies lose wars - by fighting the last one.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 10:13:30 PM
They probably had a driver waiting with the SUV, which would make four total.

The 3rd person who is in custody was the driver.  Reported that he was seen going over fences yard to yard.   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
Doesn't everyone?   :smokin:

I'm beginning to think that maybe we all should.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 02, 2015, 10:14:49 PM
Especially two days after the idiot in the White House informed Americans and the World that Global Warming was a bigger threat to our lives and futures than Islamist Terror.   Did global warming kill 14 innocent souls in San Bernadino today?
How exactly will he explain this episode and glubull warming together?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 10:14:51 PM
soft target of opportunity.

Open post.

Sorry Islam, you can't have America. Tone down the ordinance and come up with better ideas than the west, maybe then we'll talk.

P.S. When did you stop beating your wives?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:15:27 PM
This got me thinking. What are qualifications to be a terrorist? I mean, is there a screening process? Do you get an interview? Does senior management take you to lunch, check you out?

You know when the ad reads "...experience with self detonation required," they're not getting the cream of the crop.


Are you thinking of applying?  :silly:

/jk
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 10:16:47 PM
I notice this big time, for there hasn't been very much focus on Lost Angeles, our 2nd largest city. I think the terrorists' point is yes, we can do it there too.

And they certainly have a diverse population within which to mingle. LA is for instance the largest place for Iranians, out side Iran. Not saying this is Iranian, BTW--just portraying the multi-cultural aspect of this huge metro area.


Hell it could happen in Peoria Illinois..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:16:52 PM
They didn't just "not build them correctly."  They forgot to put explosives in the pipes.

And, as someone else pointed out, dummy bombs still make for good diversions, and have the added benefit of not accidentally blowing up in your own face.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 02, 2015, 10:19:44 PM
In this day of social media and 24 hour news cycles, any city can play a story like a major big city. Drive from LA to San Bernardino and you wouldn't know you left one town and entered another except the signs and the time it takes, it is all just one big sprawl. So it is a major media hub.
Second largest metro area in the nation; they had reporters on scene in helicopters in a few minutes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 10:21:39 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 10:22:37 PM
I clearly understand your point, sink.
Horrific? Certainly.
Terrorism? Almost certainly.
Jihad sympathizers? Likely.
A formal cell of ISIS or similar? Maybe not.

Perhaps the "trigger" was the fact that the Department offended and insulted Sayd's religion by sponsoring a Christmas celebration and he recruited two other ghouls to avenge that insult to Allah.   He went in to denounce the managers and co-workers for not acceding to his demands.

Who knows?  It could be workplace AND religion related.   14 people are dead because of these assholes and their corrupt religion doubtless DID play a role regardless if they were part of a larger network or not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Fishrrman on December 02, 2015, 10:23:03 PM
kevindavis asks above:
"So what is your solution? Kick all of the muslims out?"

In a word.... yes.

Return them to dar al-islam.

Do you understand what that term describes?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 10:23:23 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 02, 2015, 10:23:55 PM
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.
That was my first reaction. The idea of multiple attacks on our nation here at home, after this many years of Obama drives the point across, that his policies for national security simply have failed.

A seagoing folks might say, we had better batten down the hatches.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:24:24 PM
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48303725.cached.jpg)

Syed Farook

Taking a selfie in the mirror.  Doesn't he know how to take a selfie directly with the phone?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis on December 02, 2015, 10:25:42 PM
kevindavis asks above:
"So what is your solution? Kick all of the muslims out?"

In a word.... yes.

Return them to dar al-islam.

Do you understand what that term describes?


Even American Citizens who are Muslim??
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 10:26:27 PM
Second largest metro area in the nation; they had reporters on scene in helicopters in a few minutes.

I wonder how long before news organizations give up helicopters for drones? Drones get excellent aerial photography.

The only helicopters I see any more in the sky above New York City are police copters.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: alicewonders on December 02, 2015, 10:26:59 PM
Goodnight you all!

Thank you flowers, I've been reading through it all to catch up and you have done a great job of updating us!  I appreciate the effort! 

 :beer:



Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:27:13 PM
I wonder how long before news organizations give up helicopters for drones? Drones get excellent aerial photography.

The only helicopters I see any more in the sky above New York City are police copters.

That'll probably take several years of wooing the FAA.  Right now drones give the FAA the vapors.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 02, 2015, 10:27:37 PM
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.
We will be letting them out into our civilian populations, since we lack resources and sense to keep them behind bars.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 02, 2015, 10:27:45 PM
Perhaps the "trigger" was the fact that the Department offended and insulted Sayd's religion by sponsoring a Christmas celebration and he recruited two other ghouls to avenge that insult to Allah.   He went in to denounce the managers and co-workers for not acceding to his demands.

Who knows?  It could be workplace AND religion related.   14 people are dead because of these assholes and their corrupt religion doubtless DID play a role regardless if they were part of a larger network or not.

Agreed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 10:30:42 PM
Thank you flowers, I've been reading through it all to catch up and you have done a great job of updating us!  I appreciate the effort! 

 :beer:

God bless you, flowers. You did a fantastic job!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
God bless you, flowers. You did a fantastic job!

Agreed!

:beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 10:32:54 PM
That'll probably take several years of wooing the FAA.  Right now drones give the FAA the vapors.

To use drones for any commercial endeavor right now requires an FAA rule 333 exception which is a major PITA to get. (example, you have to be a licensed pilot with a certain number of flight hours). This impacts the media too. The FAA has been in limbo in standardizing the rules and until then, they are starting to fine anyone who uses drones commercially without that exception, (10K fines to start plus loosing the opportunity to file for the 333 exemption).  Right now, real estate photographers have been the big ones hit as they are the biggest commercial users, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some fights between the media and fedgov over this in the next year.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 10:33:14 PM
It's like these news reporters are stumbling over themselves to say we don't know if it is terrorism...sigh...do they not remember their own stories from two weeks ago about ISIS recruiting over the Internet and telling the "believers" to launch exactly this type of attack.

They are saying "because he's Muslim doesn't mean this is terrorism".  They are just simply idiots and it is this kind of idiocy that has crippled this country in so many ways. We can't make judgements and we must put our brains on the shelf and lap the politically correct crap up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 10:34:04 PM
To use drones for any commercial endeavor right now requires an FAA rule 333 exception which is a major PITA to get. (example, you have to be a licensed pilot with a certain number of flight hours). This impacts the media too. The FAA has been in limbo in standardizing the rules and until then, they are starting to fine anyone who uses drones commercially without that exception, (10K fines to start plus loosing the opportunity to file for the 333 exemption).  Right now, real estate photographers have been the big ones hit as they are the biggest commercial users, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some fights between the media and fedgov over this in the next year.

Precisely.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 10:37:08 PM
Neighbor said she had been alarmed the past few weeks, the shooter had been receiving a lot of packages and working late in his garage with others and acting strange.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 02, 2015, 10:43:05 PM
To use drones for any commercial endeavor right now requires an FAA rule 333 exception which is a major PITA to get. (example, you have to be a licensed pilot with a certain number of flight hours). This impacts the media too. The FAA has been in limbo in standardizing the rules and until then, they are starting to fine anyone who uses drones commercially without that exception, (10K fines to start plus loosing the opportunity to file for the 333 exemption).  Right now, real estate photographers have been the big ones hit as they are the biggest commercial users, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some fights between the media and fedgov over this in the next year.
However right now Amazon is talking about delivering packages by drones, which fly below 400 ft. altitude.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 10:50:13 PM
It's like these news reporters are stumbling over themselves to say we don't know if it is terrorism...sigh...do they not remember their own stories from two weeks ago about ISIS recruiting over the Internet and telling the "believers" to launch exactly this type of attack.

They are saying "because he's Muslim doesn't mean this is terrorism".  They are just simply idiots and it is this kind of idiocy that has crippled this country in so many ways. We can't make judgements and we must put our brains on the shelf and lap the politically correct crap up.

This PC crap is going to kill us all!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:01:09 PM
Neighbor said she had been alarmed the past few weeks, the shooter had been receiving a lot of packages and working late in his garage with others and acting strange.
Neighbors of Farooq also said that 4-5 middle eastern men would come to that apartment at all hours of the night and in the past week started receiving large amounts of packages, not your normal package deliveries, but A LOT of them which seemed odd
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:01:39 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 11:05:11 PM
CAIR's trying to get out ahead of an inevitable backlash. 

I don't think it will work.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 02, 2015, 11:06:26 PM
Tomorrow's New York Daily News goes full-on atheist in its myopic gun-control crusade:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVRBkkRWUAAcuHJ.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 11:09:00 PM
Tomorrow's New York Daily News goes full-on atheist in its myopic gun-control crusade:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVRBkkRWUAAcuHJ.jpg)

God but I hate that paper.  It's as yellow a rag as the NYT is.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 11:09:10 PM
The Daily News is desperately trying to help Hillary...who had a VERY bad day today.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 11:09:34 PM
CAIR's trying to get out ahead of an inevitable backlash. 

I don't think it will work.

Hope it doesn't.  'Course they'll have the full weight of the White House and the DNC behind them.
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Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 11:13:39 PM
Hope it doesn't.  'Course they'll have the full weight of the White House and the DNC behind them.

What's the White House going to say?  This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 11:15:39 PM
Neighbors of Farooq also said that 4-5 middle eastern men would come to that apartment at all hours of the night and in the past week started receiving large amounts of packages, not your normal package deliveries, but A LOT of them which seemed odd

Which makes one wonder if there are still more out there with more plans. What they were carrying and even the dummy pipe bombs don't constitute an alarming amount of deliveries or need to spend a lot of time in a garage. A few trips to Bass Pro Shops for some firearms and civilian tac gear, to the nearest plumbing supply store for pipe fittings. Even if they wanted to make a few pipe bombs live, they don't need the amount of shipments and time it seems the neighbor is implying (an Acetone peroxide bomb for example, can be made with a couple of ingredients one finds at any drug store and wouldn't draw suspicion buying).
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Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 11:15:44 PM
What's the White House going to say?  This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.

What do you think?  They are going to play it down, try the "don't look at the man behind the curtain" tactic and blame it on the NRA and the lack of gun control - look at the cover of the Daily News that just got posted and you'll see part of their playbook - and they'll play up the workplace violence issue and somehow fit in that the guy was mentally unstable.

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Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
Which makes one wonder if there are still more out there with more plans. What they were carrying and even the dummy pipe bombs don't constitute an alarming amount of deliveries or need to spend a lot of time in a garage. A few trips to Bass Pro Shops for some firearms and civilian tac gear, to the nearest plumbing supply store for pipe fittings. Even if they wanted to make a few pipe bombs live, they don't need the amount of shipments and time it seems the neighbor is implying (an Acetone peroxide bomb for example, can be made with a couple of ingredients one finds at any drug store and wouldn't draw suspicion buying).

There are almost certainly some more out there.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 11:18:05 PM
Neighbor was a good liberal. She was alarmed by the shipments and activity but didn't want to report it because they were middle eastern and she didn't want to come across as bigoted against them.

Fox just about to show footage inside the center during the shooting.
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Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 11:20:04 PM
Neighbor was a good liberal. She was alarmed by the shipments and activity but didn't want to report it because they were middle eastern and she didn't want to come across as bigoted against them.

Fox just about to show footage inside the center during the shooting.

Sounds like the cops and social workers in the UK who downplayed the child rape rings composed of muslims/middle easterners because they didn't want to be accused of being racist.
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Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 11:20:48 PM
What do you think?  They are going to play it down, try the "don't look at the man behind the curtain" tactic and blame it on the NRA and the lack of gun control - look at the cover of the Daily News that just got posted and you'll see part of their playbook - and they'll play up the workplace violence issue and somehow fit in that the guy was mentally unstable.

Won't work...too close to Paris, no time for people to forget.  You may actually hear "hawk" talk from them, backed up by nothing.
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Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 11:22:02 PM
Won't work...too close to Paris, no time for people to forget.  You may actually hear "hawk" talk from them, backed up by nothing.

But we're dealing with liberals who are particularly disconnected from reality and who have a very long track record of doing precisely this sort of thing.

I'm not saying it's going to work this time, but I'm still pretty sure that's what we're going to hear from them.
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Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 11:23:55 PM
But we're dealing with liberals who are particularly disconnected from reality and who have a very long track record of doing precisely this sort of thing.

I'm not saying it's going to work this time, but I'm still pretty sure that's what we're going to hear from them.

It would be amazing tone-deafness on their part and it might put them in a big hole...but I sure can't say you are wrong.
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Post by: Oceander on December 02, 2015, 11:24:56 PM
It would be amazing tone-deafness on their part and it might put them in a big hole...but I sure can't say you are wrong.

In a way I hope that they do pull that sort of brazen lie - Hitler's "Big Lie" - because I tend to agree with you that I don't think it will work, at least not nearly as well as it's worked in the past.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 11:54:25 PM
CAIR presser now.
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Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 11:59:58 PM
CAIR spokesman keeps trying to speak for the shooter's BIL, seems he wants to say more.
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Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 12:00:54 AM
Fox dropped the CAIR presser for an upcoming police presser.
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Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 12:01:58 AM
God but I hate that paper.  It's as yellow a rag as the NYT is.

Zuckerman couldn't unload this p.o.s. property for most any price earlier this year.   The paper was okay under Myler but since he left it's really become odious.

What made anyone in that editor meeting think that leading with a ridicule of people sending prayers for the victims of a mass murder was a good idea?   These leftists are dead in their very souls.   It was the most important topic of convo at cesspools like DailyKos and DU as well today.   Not the murder - but the reaction by well meaning folks to offer prayers for the victims, survivors and their families.   

How are we supposed to live in a community with people of such bankrupt morals?
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Post by: xfreeper on December 03, 2015, 12:12:12 AM
God bless you, flowers. You did a fantastic job!

indeed. thank you
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Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 12:48:37 AM
What's the White House going to say?  This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.
Man O Man, they had those two guys on a CAIR press conference in Anaheim, in record time.

I told my wife my sense is the peaceful muslims must be getting worried, justifiably, that they are going to get some retribution.

A couple of fair questions for a press conference

--Aren't the shooters merely following the Koran, and killing non-believers as directed by the prophet?

--Aren't your comments here tonight merely Taqiyya, which is lying to protect and advance islam?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 01:17:34 AM
What I'm taking away from the evening press conference: Americans, the only people on earth incapable of seeing the truth as it sits in plain sight in front of their faces, and the people who are the least capable of facing reality.
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Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 02:00:20 AM
If Pearl Harbor happened today, it would take us six months to figure out that it was the Japanese...and we'd still be quick to say that the whole country didn't do it and really it's the fault of racist white people. /rant
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Post by: raml on December 03, 2015, 02:05:13 AM
It was terrorism by Muslims and yes the united states is getting dumber and dumber. I really can't believe how stupid most are.
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Post by: Paladin on December 03, 2015, 02:18:46 AM
If Pearl Harbor happened today, it would take us six months to figure out that it was the Japanese...and we'd still be quick to say that the whole country didn't do it and really it's the fault of racist white people. /rant

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:39:10 AM
What's the White House going to say?  This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.

I thought it was obviously "workplace violence" with IEDs, pipe bombs, and targeted victims behind it?   Terrorists don't attack during the day!!

You're a joke at this point.  If that bans me, so be it.  I consider you my enemy in terms of saving this country.  Your hysteria over Trump's words (I'm a Cruz supporter if it matters) versus you never calling out Obama nor Hillary makes me wonder about your intentions for posting here. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 05:11:33 AM
Neighbor said she had been alarmed the past few weeks, the shooter had been receiving a lot of packages and working late in his garage with others and acting strange.

So much for "If you see something, say something"... :shrug:
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 05:39:46 AM
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 05:48:49 AM
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 06:00:51 AM
I thought it was obviously "workplace violence" with IEDs, pipe bombs, and targeted victims behind it?   Terrorists don't attack during the day!!

You're a joke at this point.  If that bans me, so be it.  I consider you my enemy in terms of saving this country.  Your hysteria over Trump's words (I'm a Cruz supporter if it matters) versus you never calling out Obama nor Hillary makes me wonder about your intentions for posting here.

Carling....please think about it.

It was BOTH work place violence, and Muslim terrorism.

If it was solely terrorism, then the killings wouldn't have been limited to only those inside that conference room.  Syed Farood was employed by the company holding the luncheon.

Nothing so different than a postal worker back in the 70s and 80s, "going postal".

Syed Farood went postal.

That said, should it be divulged that they screamed Allahu Akbar, like Major Nasan during his crimes....I'll reconsider my position.
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 06:36:39 AM
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 06:44:52 AM
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 06:46:39 AM
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Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 03, 2015, 07:13:03 AM

You're a joke at this point.  If that bans me, so be it.  I consider you my enemy in terms of saving this country.  Your hysteria over Trump's words (I'm a Cruz supporter if it matters) versus you never calling out Obama nor Hillary makes me wonder about your intentions for posting here.

I am asking you to please stop this, Carling.  Please.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 07:17:19 AM
The Daily News is desperately trying to help Hillary...who had a VERY bad day today.

They're also bleeding readership. If this trend continues it won't be long before that paper is defunct.
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Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 03, 2015, 07:26:37 AM
They're also bleeding readership. If this trend continues it won't be long before that paper is defunct.

Hillary, the quintessential political opportunist, jumped in front of this with her gun control tripe.  Yet, the Daily News does her bidding despite existential threats slapping us in the face.  And, large portions of the left lap it up willingly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 07:32:43 AM
I am asking you to please stop this, Carling.  Please.

Why should he stop this? I'm totally enjoying it. The poster addressed by Carling has been trash talking members for weeks, if not months. He has it coming if you ask me. Maybe this will shock him into simply addressing his own position, rather than insulting other members for their positions.

This is an open forum. People can see for themselves who's being a jerk and who's not being a jerk.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 03, 2015, 07:35:15 AM
Just an additional comment now I've caught up:

Terrorists are still people (hard to believe). They still have personal animosities and personal likes - was a suicide bomber in Afghanistan that refused to go through with it (and was caught) because someone he knew and liked from childhood was in the market he was to target, for example.

So there is absolutely no conflict between it being an activated terrorist cell AND a disgruntled employee. It can quite easily be both - cell is activated and the PO'd employee sets the target to clear some personal scores at the same time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 08:13:08 AM

Do Body Armored People Wearing Masks with AK-47s Who Shoot & Kill 14 People at an Office Christmas Party Give a Damn About Common Sense Gun Laws? UPDATE

By Aaron Goldstein on 12.2.15 | 8:19PM

Within minutes of being informed of the shooting during an office Christmas party in San Bernardino, California which has claimed 14 lives, President Obama called for "common sense gun safety laws"?

Never mind that we don't know who the assailants are. Never mind that at least one of them might be still at large. Never mind that we don't know if the weapons in question were legally obtained. Does anyone honestly believe that men who are prepared to don masks, body armor storm an office Christmas party kill innocent people in cold blood give a damn about "common sense gun safety laws"? Such men are not in possession of common sense, much less decency.

President Obama can believe "this just doesn't happen" in other countries all he wants even as he said those words in Paris. Last I checked, France has more stringent gun control laws than we do. It didn't do very much for the concertgoers at the Bataclan or the staff at Charlie Hebdo. Whether it be in San Bernardino or Paris, evil respects no law.

UPDATE: Following a press conference, it has been revealed two assailants were killed following a confrontation with local police. One of those assailants was a women. A third suspect is in custody. Their identities have not been released.

 

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 03, 2015, 08:18:21 AM
Why should he stop this? I'm totally enjoying it. The poster addressed by Carling has been trash talking members for weeks, if not months. He has it coming if you ask me. Maybe this will shock him into simply addressing his own position, rather than insulting other members for their positions.

This is an open forum. People can see for themselves who's being a jerk and who's not being a jerk.

This is a **Breaking News** thread which has been very informative with up-to-date developments.  I respectfully and politely asked a fellow member to not pollute it or distract from it in a certain manner.  I guess I must have been wrong.  Maybe we can find a way to make it about a certain Presidential candidate.

For now, I will seek my information elsewhere.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 03, 2015, 08:30:53 AM

Nothing so different than a postal worker back in the 70s and 80s, "going postal".

Syed Farood went postal.

That said, should it be divulged that they screamed Allahu Akbar, like Major Nasan during his crimes....I'll reconsider my position.

Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   :thud:

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: HAPPY2BME on December 03, 2015, 08:35:36 AM
Satan is 'very religious' also, and he knows more about both the Bible and Koran than man, since he is about to spend eternity in hell.

It was 'religion' that crucified 'Christ.'

Thank God it didn't keep Him in the grave.

All hell is about to break loose.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 08:43:21 AM
Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   :thud:

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?

You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   :thud:

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?

I'm not disputing it wasn't Islamic Terrorism.  Of course it was.   

I'm saying that his targets were HIS Christian co-workers and the horrific deeds were limited to them.

As EC has pointed out elsewhere, it can definitely be both terrorism and workplace violence.

Seems to me that the Christmas Tree/Party pushed him over the edge.   :shrug:

I DON'T KNOW!    (Three words that are most difficult for some people) 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 08:49:42 AM
So who are the Tragedy Vultures trying to blame this morning? The NRA, Climate Change, Ted Cruz?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 08:54:46 AM
You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?

The motivation is going to determine how many of BO's Executive orders get shoved down our throats.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 09:02:53 AM
It also matters is that it is a reminder the bigger war has been brought to our soil. If it is dismissed as a disgruntled worker, they can gloss over what's really going on in the world and people go back to eating their chicken nuggets and watching Dances With Honey Boo Boo in a Shark Tank
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 09:14:00 AM
It also matters is that it is a reminder the bigger war has been brought to our soil. If it is dismissed as a disgruntled worker, they can gloss over what's really going on in the world and people go back to eating their chicken nuggets and watching Dances With Honey Boo Boo in a Shark Tank

...disgruntled Islamic worker, with ties to Middle East terrorists.

With Paris fresh in our minds, Americans won't be so easily misdirected this time.
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 09:16:16 AM
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 09:20:36 AM
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 09:22:20 AM
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Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 09:28:39 AM
...disgruntled Islamic worker, with ties to Middle East terrorists.

With Paris fresh in our minds, Americans won't be so easily misdirected this time.

Who was from Qatar and traveled to Saudi Arabia recently. This takes it even outside domestic terrorism to international.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 09:30:00 AM
You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?

Quote of the day!  Spot on!  :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 09:37:45 AM
To contradict some of the points here (the article jumps back and forth between the initial comment and the commentary on it so I'm going to contradict both):

AK-47s are not difficult to get a hold of, even in California. they are actually easier to acquire than AR platform guns because they are cheaper. You can even get parts kids and build one up easily.

5.56 is primarily used by law enforcement but it is also just as (if not more) common among civilians. All my AR platform guns are rated for 5.56 as are most higher quality ARs. The 5.56 is almost identical to the .223 and a 5.56 rated AR will shoot .223 (but one rated .223 only will not shoot 5.56 due to an ever slight difference in the casing). This doesn't imply anything really, both can be picked up off the shelf at any Academy or Bass Pro Shop (albeit they may have needed to travel to Nevada or Arizona).

Nothing ascribes to motives what type of platform they used, AR, AK or other variant, only accessibility.

Nothing says only one type of gun was used in the act, different shooters could have different guns.

Basically it seems this article and the back and forth commentators are trying to read too much into the minutia. Not seeing the forest by worrying about the blades of grass.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 09:39:33 AM
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 09:41:57 AM
And another rant: this isn't about finding evidence, this isn't about gathering data, this is about Gathering Excuses.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 09:42:52 AM
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

WORD..on both your posts...
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Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 09:49:59 AM
WORD..on both your posts...

Indeed! And how sad that is!
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Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 09:50:26 AM
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Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

And we are giving them exactly what they want. We are showing ourselves weak and depraved. We are essentially helping them clear anyone who doesn't fall in line with them out of their ever growing caliphate territory (about the size of Great Britain now). We are tearing down our own civil liberties and freedoms more than going after them. And we are providing an inconsistent voice in the world stage against them.
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 10:02:46 AM
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 10:05:00 AM
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Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 10:06:56 AM
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

We were once a great people...cue commercial: Crying American Indian.

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Post by: EC on December 03, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
We were once a great people...cue commercial: Crying American Indian.

Enough of that - you still are. Least the Americans I have the pleasure to know.  :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 03, 2015, 10:15:33 AM
To contradict some of the points here (the article jumps back and forth between the initial comment and the commentary on it so I'm going to contradict both):

AK-47s are not difficult to get a hold of, even in California. they are actually easier to acquire than AR platform guns because they are cheaper. You can even get parts kids and build one up easily.

5.56 is primarily used by law enforcement but it is also just as (if not more) common among civilians. All my AR platform guns are rated for 5.56 as are most higher quality ARs. The 5.56 is almost identical to the .223 and a 5.56 rated AR will shoot .223 (but one rated .223 only will not shoot 5.56 due to an ever slight difference in the casing). This doesn't imply anything really, both can be picked up off the shelf at any Academy or Bass Pro Shop (albeit they may have needed to travel to Nevada or Arizona).

Nothing ascribes to motives what type of platform they used, AR, AK or other variant, only accessibility.

Nothing says only one type of gun was used in the act, different shooters could have different guns.

Basically it seems this article and the back and forth commentators are trying to read too much into the minutia. Not seeing the forest by worrying about the blades of grass.

The AK-74 uses a smaller (21.4 caliber), lighter round that has a very flat trajectory and produces low recoil from the weapon, allowing for more accurate shot placement. Although the round is far smaller than the AK-47's heavy 7.62 (30mm) standard, it does have a rather nasty feature that Afghans discovered while fighting the Russian army: the 5.45 tends to collapse on its hollow core, mushrooming outward, yawing and flattening upon impact with tissue and bone, causing terrible wound channels.

So, although its diameter is technically smaller than that of a .22LR (which causes far less severe wounds, in most cases), the AK-74 round can be pretty lethal, as we've seen, sadly. A firearms dealer once told me that it was among the best "zombie killers" he could think of, in spite of its size. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 10:17:47 AM
http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/muslim-newlyweds-slaughter-coworkers-who-threw-them-a-baby-shower/

Muslim newlyweds slaughter co-workers who threw them a baby shower
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 10:25:43 AM
http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/muslim-newlyweds-slaughter-coworkers-who-threw-them-a-baby-shower/

Muslim newlyweds slaughter co-workers who threw them a baby shower

Religion of peace my behind.

A radical muslim wants to kill you. A moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to kill you.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 10:26:19 AM
Gawd..Obama about to speak....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 03, 2015, 10:31:40 AM
The AK-74 uses a smaller (21.4 caliber), lighter round that has a very flat trajectory and produces low recoil from the weapon, allowing for more accurate shot placement. Although the round is far smaller than the AK-47's heavy 7.62 (30mm) standard, it does have a rather nasty feature that Afghans discovered while fighting the Russian army: the 5.45 tends to collapse on its hollow core, mushrooming outward, yawing and flattening upon impact with tissue and bone, causing terrible wound channels.

So, although its diameter is technically smaller than that of a .22LR (which causes far less severe wounds, in most cases), the AK-74 round can be pretty lethal, as we've seen, sadly. A firearms dealer once told me that it was among the best "zombie killers" he could think of, in spite of its size.

Not sure yet if it was AKs or ARs - but I would bet the magazines used were NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, being more than 10 rounds. Shows you how more restrictive gun laws solve nothing.   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 03, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
Not sure yet if it was AKs or ARs - but I would bet the magazines used were NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, being more than 10 rounds. Shows you how more restrictive gun laws solve nothing.

Absolutely logical, correct, and historically demonstrable. But it won't stop the gun grabbers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 10:43:37 AM
Not sure yet if it was AKs or ARs - but I would bet the magazines used were NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, being more than 10 rounds. Shows you how more restrictive gun laws solve nothing.

The part that fascinates me is aside from all the other points, it is illegal to attack/stab/hit/shoot someone already and that does not seem to stop this stuff.
So we are going to restrict the number of times you can shoot and that will stop this?

I dunno, maybe it is my lack of education but I don't get it... :)

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 03, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
<B>But skinheads and neo-Nazis have shown pronounced influence in the area east of Los Angeles known as the Inland Empire.<P>

An once again the politically bigoted hysterics pretending to be "Journalists" are discredited by their own arrogant refusal to learn a single fact that challenges their ideological bubble world dogmas.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 11:09:32 AM

But skinheads and neo-Nazis have shown pronounced influence in the area east of Los Angeles known as the Inland Empire.

Allow me to translate the liberal gobbledygook spewing from the daily news: Regular America-loving citizens who had had enough of multiculturalism and in reaction decided to push back against politically correct pipsqueaks.

Scratch a "skinhead" and find a patriot.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 11:15:49 AM
Listening to Obama mumbling his message...could be work place or terrorism..... :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
I DON'T KNOW!    (Three words that are most difficult for some people)

That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 11:27:18 AM
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

Interesting. If you find other posters to be of such low quality, (obviously you see yourself as informed and brilliant), why lower yourself to the depths of posting here?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 11:28:55 AM
Listening to Obama mumbling his message...could be work place or terrorism..... :whistle:
What is he calling it? Is he saying he will act if congress doesn't on guns? No way I am listening to him
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 11:30:58 AM
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

The only poster in this thread claiming to know the facts was sinkspur, and he then changed his tune once facts were revealed.  Why don't you admonish him?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 03, 2015, 11:32:20 AM
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

Actually the people who shot from the hip here without bothering to learn the most basic of facts 1st are pretty much every political Leftist and Democrat politician.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 11:32:57 AM
Some people like to insult posters one at a time (I won't mention names).

Others like to insult entire categories of posters (again, I won't mention names).

 :smokin:

I'm such a bad boy. (Sometimes I like to stir the pot.)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 11:36:26 AM
Some people like to insult posters one at a time (I won't mention names).

Others like to insult entire categories of posters (again, I won't mention names).

 :smokin:

I'm such a bad boy. (Sometimes I like to stir the pot.)

I prefer those that insult one at a time. I like to be addressed directly when I'm being insulted. At least it shows some sort of character to insult a person directly.

Those mealy mouthed vague shots at entire groups are done by people with very low character.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 11:38:17 AM
The only poster in this thread claimming to know the facts was sinkspur, and he then changed his tune once facts were revealed.  Why don't you admonish him?

Back off. I never claimed to have definitive knowledge.  I was positing a theory just like others. 

What  is the matter with you? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 11:40:43 AM
Some people like to insult posters one at a time (I won't mention names).

Others like to insult entire categories of posters (again, I won't mention names).

 :smokin:

I'm such a bad boy. (Sometimes I like to stir the pot.)

Come on ac...stop stirring the pot
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 11:41:42 AM
Any word on the type of explosives they had?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 11:45:47 AM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 11:49:26 AM
Interesting. If you find other posters to be of such low quality, (obviously you see yourself as informed and brilliant), why lower yourself to the depths of posting here?
That is a very big stretch to twist what I said, into what  you said.

If you want to pick a personal fight with me, you'll need to do much better than that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 11:53:22 AM
Any word on the type of explosives they had?
I see it may have been black power for some of them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 11:56:57 AM
That is a very big stretch to twist what I said, into what  you said.

If you want to pick a personal fight with me, you'll need to do much better than that.

That's hilarious. Just to let Myst know, and keep her from pulling her hair out, this will be my last post addressing this. Your reply is just so nonsensical, I couldn't let it go, (sorry Myst).

Quote from: truth?_seeker
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 12:04:21 PM
Geeez..what has gotten into people around here....and yes I am
 
(http://cliparts.co/cliparts/rTj/Kb6/rTjKb6nGc.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:04:42 PM
Back off. I never claimed to have definitive knowledge.  I was positing a theory just like others. 

What  is the matter with you?

Bullbleep

You weren't posting a "theory."  Read your posts in this thread again.  Perhaps you have some sort of condition where you post one thing, but think you're communicating something different?

Anyhow, I've wasted enough time on you in this thread.  Go to the Politics forum and answer a question I've posed to you multiple times about tax credits.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 12:09:37 PM
Geeez..what has gotten into people around here....and yes I am
 
(http://cliparts.co/cliparts/rTj/Kb6/rTjKb6nGc.jpg)

Well, I can't do that anymore... had to take up drinking... :)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 12:10:07 PM
Geeez..what has gotten into people around here....and yes I am

Just a guess on my part, but the daily onslaught is getting to us. My neighbor, a very moderate, and if anything slightly left of center guy who I completely respect said to me the other day: "I've never seen this country so 'effed up".

The left is relentless. Obama is a disaster. The media is corrupt. Our populace is uninterested and uninformed. I think most of us believe we're watching this country come apart, and we're filled with angst.

This is where we vent, and "fight" amongst ourselves.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:10:23 PM
I had to share this rant from a friend of mine, a former state legislator:
Quote
Warning: The following contains politically incorrect comments and logic...two things a large portion of our society are afraid of. I've been trying to take a break from ranting, but I can't
 ^-^

Soooooo, I am not "shocked" at the San Bernardino shooting like everyone else. I am not "shocked" that gun violence continues to happen in places with the strictest gun laws. I am not "shocked" that the killers were Muslim. I am not "shocked" that our media, politicians, and Liberals are blaming the gun instead of the individual or the ideology of the individual. I am not "shocked" that the media is attacking those who prayed for the victims and their families, nor am I "shocked" that they also mocked God saying He can't fix this. Let me explain further....

1. In America, the places with the strictest gun control are also the places with the most gun violence. States like California, Illinois, Maryland, and New York lead the way in gun violence and in direct correlation....Gun control. Cities like Chicago, Washington DC, Detroit, Baltimore, and Memphis are Liberal Meccas (ironic use of the term Mecca as well) with the same correlation between gun control and gun violence. Nowhere in the history of man has gun control, government control, or any other "progressive" policy lead to safety or freedom....usually quite the opposite.

2. Have you ever researched Sharia Law? Have you ever researched how many Muslim Nations follow it or how many Muslims support it? Have you ever asked a Muslim about why they can follow a religion that calls for the murder of non-believers, jihad, and numerous other acts of violence? (Before you go trying to misquote the Bible, nowhere does it say for future generations to kill anyone, and the Old Testament laws only refer to those living within the Jewish community.....read Acts please)

Islam is not a religion of Peace. Mohamed was a warlord. Islam has been violently expanding its presence since its inception. The beloved Liberal response is always the Crusades....which were in response from hundreds of years of Muslim attacks from Jerusalem to Spain.

Ohhhhhh.....and to the Liberals who attack Christians for "judging" others....go say you're openly gay in the Middle East where they will kill you instead of judge you. Go be a feminist in the Middle East and see if they "oppress" you less than Christians. See what you think about multiple wives, genital mutilation, and all their other wonderful laws and traditions.....then come back and complain to a Christian about their "judging".

3. Why would God want to help us as a Nation? Since 1947, we've allowed a non-law making body to become a super-legislative branch of the government. We've allowed that same non-elected, super-legislative body to remove God from the schools, from government, and from society. We've allowed our media to bash Christians and put negative stigmas on them such as judgmental, racist, bigots, sexists, phobic of everything, etc.. We've become the silent, apathetic majority. We've become scared to speak the truth. We've denied God by not fighting for the Nation and freedoms He gave us. So.....why would He help the United States? He even turned His back on His chosen people when they betrayed Him....so how could we possibly expect to be treated any better? Just like any good father, God must punish His children when they misbehave, become prideful, become lovers of themselves, and go against His rules.

The media, government, and Liberals want God out so they can become gods....and the results will be more violence, more control, less freedom, less prosperity, and all around more evil. If you are a Christian, do not blindly or apathetically hand our Nation over into darkness.

Thank you for your time, Merry Christmas, and God bless.
I love it when he gets peeved.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:11:18 PM
Come on ac...stop stirring the pot

You got it. I see the pot doesn't need stirring. TBR has a self stirring pot.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 12:11:31 PM
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

There are some things so blatantly obvious that once certain basic facts are known - and we knew them within a couple of hours - you don't need to play the game of political correctness to show how broad minded you are. At that point you are either playing politics or being willfully stupid (I do not mean you, I mean our elected officials and those they hire).  You don't have to know everything to know enough, this splitting of hairs is destructive insanity and will cause more deaths, many more.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:11:56 PM
Bullbleep

You weren't posting a "theory."  Read your posts in this thread again.  Perhaps you have some sort of condition where you post one thing, but think you're communicating something different?

Anyhow, I've wasted enough time on you in this thread.  Go to the Politics forum and answer a question I've posed to you multiple times about tax credits.
LOL.............he still hasn't answered that one yet? Sinkspur to the white courtesy phone please. Come on sink answer that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:14:50 PM
Just a guess on my part, but the daily onslaught is getting to us. My neighbor, a very moderate, and if anything slightly left of center guy who I completely respect said to me the other day: "I've never seen this country so 'effed up".

The left is relentless. Obama is a disaster. The media is corrupt. Our populace is uninterested and uninformed. I think most of us believe we're watching this country come apart, and we're filled with angst.

This is where we vent, and "fight" amongst ourselves.
Spot on!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:20:52 PM
Quote
The left is relentless. Obama is a disaster. The media is corrupt. Our populace is uninterested and uninformed. I think most of us believe we're watching this country come apart, and we're filled with angst.

This is where we vent, and "fight" amongst ourselves.
True. But let's still try to rise above it. We have to hang together, folks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:21:41 PM
San Bernardino shooting "possibly" terrorist related, Obama says

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-bernardino-shooting-possibly-terrorist-related-obama-says/

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Yeah he doesn't know yet.  Riiiiiight.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:25:20 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 12:27:22 PM
True. But let's still try to rise above it. We have to hang together, folks.

The problem is, we all have our ideas on what is our only chance. Whether it be Cruz, Trump, Rubio or whomever. The situation we're in as a nation, makes the choice seem dire.

In reality, I don't think we have much voice. That card has already been played.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6d4ecfdc30894249bc417bfa998889da/latest-guns-used-california-shooting-bought-legally

The Latest: Obama orders flags at half-staff after shooting
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:32:04 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 12:35:17 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:45:44 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 12:50:35 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6d4ecfdc30894249bc417bfa998889da/latest-guns-used-california-shooting-bought-legally

The Latest: Obama orders flags at half-staff after shooting

So very kind of him!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 03, 2015, 12:51:17 PM
News brief just ended. 12 pipe bombs in the couples homes. They had thousands of rounds of ammo in the car. It is possible they were headed out for another attack when they were intercepted and killed
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:59:57 PM
News brief just ended. 12 pipe bombs in the couples homes. They had thousands of rounds of ammo in the car. It is possible they were headed out for another attack when they were intercepted and killed
Maybe the wife had her own workplace at which she wanted to commit some violence.  :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:03:07 PM
News brief just ended. 12 pipe bombs in the couples homes. They had thousands of rounds of ammo in the car. It is possible they were headed out for another attack when they were intercepted and killed
Yeah bammy.....we don't know if it was a terrorist attack.  :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:07:22 PM
Thank goodness they we not able to activate those pipe bombs.  this couple had Utah plates on that Ford SUV. You would think they would have changed those before hand? I guess they went to his work then went home then left to go continue the spree? I bet they didn't figure out police would show up so fast because they were right next to the site with training exercises that day.

Cnn kept on saying last night they were not smart because they didn't leave the area right away. Clueless....they didn't want to leave you smucks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:11:38 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 01:14:47 PM
Yeah bammy.....we don't know if it was a terrorist attack.  :smokin:

And we have absolutely NO reason to profile young Middle Eastern males! /s
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:16:41 PM
Wait a minute.....what if those two other guns are linked to Fast n Furious?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 01:39:27 PM
Maybe the wife had her own workplace at which she wanted to commit some violence.  :thud:

What do you think the wife will say when they are in paradise and her husband is fooling around with 72 virgins?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 01:41:28 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/
CNN Sources: California Gunman Was Radicalized, Contacted Terror Suspects

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/#ixzz3tHhvE6Jh

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:47:12 PM
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/Coggeshall1955/DAC-2015-12-03_zpsus2ookpw.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:53:04 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/
CNN Sources: California Gunman Was Radicalized, Contacted Terror Suspects

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/#ixzz3tHhvE6Jh
Of course this was a ISis attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Sanguine on December 03, 2015, 02:08:21 PM
Quote
....Farook described himself as being from Karachi, Pakistan, but was born in Chicago and was residing in Los Angles as an American citizen....

Pretty interesting wording.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
did anyone here watch the presser? Did the police chief say they didn't have GoPro cameras?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 02:57:58 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

excerpt:

CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/11/M%26P_0.png)

Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 03:04:10 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 03:06:53 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 03:08:08 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

excerpt:

CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/11/M%26P_0.png)

Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."

That settles it. Just another case of workplace violence.
Can we get some more gun laws?!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:15:56 PM
Wait a minute.....what if those two other guns are linked to Fast n Furious?

Bingo!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:17:19 PM
Pretty interesting wording.

You beat me to it.  It is "interesting"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 03:27:55 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

excerpt:

CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/11/M%26P_0.png)

Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."

Can anyone here tell me how much it would cost to buy all that ammo. 6000 rounds?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 03:29:37 PM
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
good theory.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 03:31:05 PM
Can anyone here tell me how much it would cost to buy all that ammo. 6000 rounds?

About $100 for 500 rds
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 03:36:03 PM
About $100 for 500 rds
So about 1200 dollars. Thanks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
About $100 for 500 rds

A rough guess around $3000.00 for all the .223 and 9mm.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 03:41:26 PM
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.

Agreed, that is a likely scenario. The grunts may be stupid religious fanatics but senior management is anything but. Those are ruthless political insurgents on a career path to power in their new caliphate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
A rough guess around $3000.00 for all the .223 and 9mm.
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k?  so about 6k for the weapons?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: massadvj on December 03, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.

If so, why hit a target where they would so easily be able to identify the perp?  Wouldn't it make more sense to hit a random target on a "hit and run" basis?  On the other hand, the fact that they had so many weapons in reserve does suggest they were planning more than this one hit. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:12:19 PM
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Farook lived in a Redlands, California apartment with his mother, Malik, and their 6-month-old daughter, who was left in the grandmother's care before the attack.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters

So they lived at grandmas house. So the story of them dropping of the baby at her place isn't true. So where is grandma now? All those pipe bombs and everything else needed for this attack had to be seen by her.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 04:14:41 PM
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters)

So they lived at grandmas house. So the story of them dropping of the baby at her place isn't true. So where is grandma now? All those pipe bombs and everything else needed for this attack had to be seen by her.

Sooo, the family knew about and most likely supported the attack..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
Sooo, the family knew about and most likely supported the attack..
Yep.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 03, 2015, 04:28:17 PM
Enough of that - you still are. Least the Americans I have the pleasure to know.  :patriot:
You haven't met the civilians of my generation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:33:00 PM
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The pair seemed to be using blueprints found in many issues of Inspire, Al Qaeda's extremist online publication in the Arabian Peninsula.

The magazine in the past has outlined how to make the bomb from household goods and without using metal components. Articles have also encouraged lone-wolf attacks on the American 'super-rich' and published a 'kill list' of potential targets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345021/Twelve-pipe-bombs-4-500-bullets-tools-making-explosives-police-home-San-Bernardino-suspects-design-bomb-used-Boston-bombers.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Paladin on December 03, 2015, 04:35:09 PM
If you leave this thread for such mundane activities as eating and sleeping, it takes a while to catch up. That said I want to thank everyone on here who has contributed to this discussion with facts, news stories, and even speculations. It has proved most informative and thought provoking.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 03, 2015, 04:37:59 PM
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k?  so about 6k for the weapons?

Depending on when and where it was purchased 6K should easily cover it. The ammo is common and there is nothing high end about the firearms
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:43:09 PM
Depending on when and where it was purchased 6K should easily cover it. The ammo is common and there is nothing high end about the firearms
Thanks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 03, 2015, 04:44:13 PM
out of curiosity I checked some prices real quick. 4K for the ammo and firearms would cover it today but the ar prices have fallen significantly lately so if they were purchased a couple years ago  could be another 1K or so
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 04:45:18 PM
If you leave this thread for such mundane activities as eating and sleeping, it takes a while to catch up. That said I want to thank everyone on here who has contributed to this discussion with facts, news stories, and even speculations. It has proved most informative and thought provoking.

Wait till you see the gerbil races coming up. Whoopee, we're talking fun.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 04:53:16 PM
Wait till you see the gerbil races coming up. Whoopee, we're talking fun.

AC, I don't remember seeing Mistery give Paladin permission to eat or sleep, do you?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 04:59:43 PM
AC, I don't remember seeing Mistery give Paladin permission to eat or sleep, do you?

myst is a tough task master but even she eats and sleeps (at least I think she does?)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 04:59:55 PM
did anyone here watch the presser? Did the police chief say they didn't have GoPro cameras?
Yes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 05:07:10 PM
White House: Obama Thinks Gun Control Will Deter Terrorists

02:26 PM, Dec 03, 2015 | By Daniel Halper

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that President Obama thinks that gun control would help deter terrorists. Earnest made the comments today at the White House's daily press briefing.

Peter Doocy: "President Obama yesterday jumped to say that this mass shooting means it's time for commonsense gun laws. Does the President really think that common sense gun laws would deter terrorists now that he has admitted that these two may have been terrorists?"
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White House press secretary Josh Earnest: "Yes. The president believes that passing common sense gun laws that makes it harder for people with bad intentions to get guns, makes the country safer."

Peter Doocy: "But so the president thinks that when there are potentially two terrorists sitting around planning a mass murder they may call it off because President Obama has put in place common sense gun laws?"

Earnest: "Well Peter, we're still learning of the precise motives of the individuals who carried out this heinous act of violence yesterday. One thing we do know, is the four fire arms they were wielding we're legally purchased under the laws in place now. That's a fact. So, that might lead some to conclude that we should have made it a little harder for them. Would that have changed the entire outcome? We're still investigating the situation but I guess the question is, why wouldn't we? Why wouldn't we make it harder for them? What's the explanation for that?"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/white-house-obama-thinks-gun-control-will-deter-terrorists/article/2000061
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 05:08:40 PM
Just a couple simple questions.  Does Obama also think gun control would deter the mafia? :whistle:  How about black panthers? :whistle: How about drug cabals from Mexico? :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 05:09:44 PM
I wish just one of those reporters would ask Earnest why Obama approved giving guns to Mexican drug cartels, yet is so vehement about making it more difficult for American citizens to get guns.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 05:11:29 PM
You haven't met the civilians of my generation.
Most of our fine service people risking their lives and limbs for this country, are your generation.

Close to home for my family are a niece and her husband, who both served multiple deployments overseas.

A real estate client of mine served as an Army medic, and now serves as a combined firefighter/EMT.

All three are now civilians. And so forth.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 05:13:40 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 03, 2015, 05:24:30 PM
You haven't met the civilians of my generation.

Got two working not 25 feet from me right now. Oddly, one is in your line of work.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 05:24:58 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 03, 2015, 05:32:18 PM
Judging by what I was reading here last night one or two of our own here on TBR needed a cattle prod to convince them it was a terrorist act, and not workplace violence. The evidence is overwhelming that it was a planned terrorist attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 05:35:50 PM
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k?  so about 6k for the weapons?

I was talking about the ammo but the four guns they had with them could be worth something like that number as well. probably somewhat less than that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Puss-N-Boots on December 03, 2015, 05:44:16 PM
It was a terrorist act that just happened to occur at the perp's workplace.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 06:28:48 PM
It was a terrorist act that just happened to occur at the perp's workplace.

It actually wasn't at the workplace, though.  It was off-site in a rented conference room.  At least that's the last I heard about the location.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Puss-N-Boots on December 03, 2015, 06:37:27 PM
Technically.  Since it was a workplace function, the workplace traveled with them to the conference room.  That's what I meant.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 06:50:34 PM
Technically.  Since it was a workplace function, the workplace traveled with them to the conference room.  That's what I meant.

Got it.  My guess is he knew he'd have some sitting Ducks and he probably scouted out the security of the building after the site was announced as he was planning the attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
I wish just one of those reporters would ask Earnest why Obama approved giving guns to Mexican drug cartels, yet is so vehement about making it more difficult for American citizens to get guns.

I think I finally settled on a position regarding Obama. All three apply. Choose any order, any combination (whatever makes sense to you): Obama is rigidly ideological, actively working against America and incompetent on top of all that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 07:18:25 PM

...oh, oh, one more: party animal.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 07:22:16 PM
I think I finally settled on a position regarding Obama. All three apply. Choose any order, any combination (whatever makes sense to you): Obama is rigidly ideological, actively working against America and incompetent on top of all that.

I agree with the first two but not the last. He has been more successful in undermining America than even he would have dared imagine in 2008.
 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: 240B on December 03, 2015, 07:35:11 PM
Two things, have to  go. I'm still at work.

This blows up the whole nice Muslims meme. As in,  I know a Muslim and he's really nice. All accounts are that this guy was a nice guy, until the day he decided to kill everyone.

And, if this is workplace violence, then why was his home a bomb making factory?  Gatta go
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Charlespg on December 03, 2015, 08:07:35 PM
Just a couple simple questions.  Does Obama also think gun control would deter the mafia? :whistle:  How about black panthers? :whistle: How about drug cabals from Mexico? :thud:
  as I commented on the Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

Mortars .full auto AK's semtex ,ect  its  here squirreled  away in the local mosque someplace  ...we have had wide open borders for decades
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 08:32:25 PM
How about drug cabals from Mexico? :thud:

He and Holder literally gave guns to the Mexican drug cartels.  I've emailed conservative media voices to use this line, but I haven't heard it yet.

"Obama's ATF gave guns to Mexican drug cartels, one of which ended up murdering border agent Brian Terry, yet he's trying to take them away from American citizens.  It's time we ask whose side Obama is on, because this goes far beyond incompetency."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 04, 2015, 07:11:17 AM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 04, 2015, 07:47:28 AM
Quote
While the exact motive for the massacre remains unclear

Unclear?  They were terrorists, that is what terrorists do.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 07:57:32 AM
Unclear?  They were terrorists, that is what terrorists do.

(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12341022_10205106358169704_9004444912230054623_n.jpg?oh=1f122fb9bc82f907eaa155c270390590&oe=56F1694A)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 04, 2015, 08:17:29 AM
Liberals keep trying to apply rational thinking to irrational people so we can someone justify these events.
People made fun of his beard, a Jewish guy yelled at him, he was against Christmas, as tho somehow NORMAL Americans are at fault and caused this to happen... we must change our ways... be more sensitive..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 04, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 04, 2015, 09:59:05 AM
You can begin to see the outlines of the "workplace violence"/went postal lies the White House and the MSM are going to start constructing as the "narrative" for what happened.

I actually thought of this before I heard it on Rush Limbaugh. The other angle is that the muslim was somehow "offended". We all know that in America there are few things worse than offending someone. So, the muslim was offended, the details unavailable about the nature of the offense, but it surely had something to do with the Christmas party! Good gosh, he was pushed over the edge by a workplace Christmas party.

Time to ban all workplace Christmas / Holiday parties.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 03:15:52 PM
Wondering just why not one of the wounded...or their respective family hasn't been heard from.

Why aren't the networks/media tripping over themselves to interview them?

Did they pay-off the wounded in exchange for their promised silence on what transpired?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 03:32:33 PM
Wondering just why not one of the wounded...or their respective family hasn't been heard from.

Why aren't the networks/media tripping over themselves to interview them?

Did they pay-off the wounded in exchange for their promised silence on what transpired?
I noticed they haven't interviewed many bystanders? Or have they? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 03:45:48 PM
I noticed they haven't interviewed many bystanders? Or have they?
Look at the 2 pictures on the left from Sandy Hook.  One shows the line of kids being 'evacuated' from the school... we all know that one.  It's a media fave.  Now look at the one next to it from behind a line of parents...  Can you say staged?

You really have no idea what the truth is these days... absolutely everything on the msm is managed...


               (http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/GourmetDan/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook_cover_email_zps7yqxnrvp.jpg)

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 03:55:26 PM
Look at the 2 pictures on the left from Sandy Hook.  One shows the line of kids being 'evacuated' from the school... we all know that one.  It's a media fave.  Now look at the one next to it from behind a line of parents...  Can you say staged?

You really have no idea what the truth is these days... absolutely everything on the msm is managed...


               (http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/GourmetDan/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook_cover_email_zps7yqxnrvp.jpg)
Where are the alleged dead kids now and their families? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 03:56:40 PM
Where are the alleged dead kids now and their families?

I guess you'll have to download the book and read it.  It's free...


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 04:03:51 PM
I guess you'll have to download the book and read it.  It's free...
:laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 04:10:52 PM
:laugh:

Nobody Died at Sandy Hook (http://www.rense.com/general96/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf) is linked at Rense.  It takes a while to download since it is > 400 pages plus the first 2 pages in the pdf are blank so you have to go down to pg 3.




Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 04:13:22 PM
Nobody Died at Sandy Hook (http://www.rense.com/general96/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf) is linked at Rense.  It takes a while to download since it is > 400 pages plus the first 2 pages in the pdf are blank so you have to go down to pg 3.
I won' t be downloading any time soon my computer old and not much bandwidth.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 04:15:01 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 04, 2015, 04:18:23 PM
That further makes it sound ISIS related.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 04:33:41 PM
That further makes it sound ISIS related.
No....not on Cnn. just one instance of terror. They had nothing to do with Isis or AQ as a group.  :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 04, 2015, 04:54:52 PM
No....not on Cnn. just one instance of terror. They had nothing to do with Isis or AQ as a group.  :thud:

Erin Burnett on CNN said it may be due to postpartum depression (not kidding). Obviously if the republicans didn't go after Planned Parenthood, she could have had an abortion and not carried it to term so she wouldn't be depressed and they would still be a happy, well adjusted Southern California family. Therefore, Republican's war on PP and women caused it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: massadvj on December 04, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
Erin Burnett on CNN said it may be due to postpartum depression (not kidding). Obviously if the republicans didn't go after Planned Parenthood, she could have had an abortion and not carried it to term so she wouldn't be depressed and they would still be a happy, well adjusted Southern California family. Therefore, Republican's war on PP and women caused it.

I was listening to a panel discussion on NPR this morning and all four panelists were struggling like hell to come up with some explanation as to why this seemingly normal couple with a small baby would do such a thing.  I literally laughed out loud in my car because that seemed like a better solution than putting my foot through the dashboard.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:22:55 PM
Farook family lawyers giving a presser now....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:24:38 PM
Family knew nothing...Syaed was a good boy and not violent...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:26:45 PM
Tasheen was a typical housewife and mother
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:27:50 PM
RedNationRising ?@RedNationRising 54m54 minutes ago

Somebody at the FBI's getting fired after calling #SanBernadino an act of terrorism. It wasn't approved by Obama.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:28:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVajUhuUsAAZXqN.png)
ABC News ?@ABC 2m2 minutes ago

"It's not at all uncommon to own 4000 rounds" of ammo, Farook family attorney says.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 05:29:09 PM
Tasheen was a typical housewife and mother

No photos of her...because all they have are ones of her wearing the hajib/veil.

And folks....a picture like that is not going to help the Democrats.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:29:52 PM

FOX Business Verified account
?@FoxBusiness

Farook Family Attorney: "Just because he had a religion... it had nothing to do with these acts."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaf46vUYAE1VVM.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 04, 2015, 05:30:17 PM
These family lawyers are a$$wipes. Make me want vomit with their Muslim whitewashing - how many times did they mention Christians and Catholics shooting up planned parenthood clinics. I'd like to wring their necks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:30:18 PM
Family attorneys:Malik always wore a burqa...brothers never saw her face...men sat w/men women w/women...his garage was his "man cave" #tcot
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:30:46 PM
John Podhoretz ?@jpodhoretz 49s50 seconds ago

14 people died and many are horrifyingly injured in a terrorist attack and in 48 hours it's become an ignoble farce.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:31:07 PM
"Syed Farook's garage was his man cave" - Family Attorney -
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
Somebody posted this in another thread but I thought I'd put this video here.  I'm still stunned at this video.  Why isn't that apartment sealed, guarded, and the evidence tagged and bagged?  I even shared it on Facebook, and I rarely post on Facebook.

https://grabien.com/file.php?id=67477&searchorder=date
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:31:45 PM
The Anti-Feminist ?@FemsHaveBallz 7m7 minutes ago

Not all lawyers are scumbags. But all of the lawyers for Syed's family are scumbags
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
el Sooper ? ?@SooperMexican 14s15 seconds ago

Farook family lawyer just called making fun of the terrorist's beard "intolerance"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:33:24 PM
Heather Childers ?@HeatherChilders 2m2 minutes ago

Summary fam. Attorney- Coworkers made fun of beard so they stashed 1000's of ammo rounds,bombs,assault weapons,tactical gear
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:34:06 PM
Patrick Henrys Ghost ?@Pissed_Pat 42s42 seconds ago

Farook lawyer: "Tashfeen is easy to stigmatize b/c there is no picture of her." That. And her stack of victims. But, mostly the photo thing.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 04, 2015, 05:34:06 PM

Liar for hire.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 05:34:34 PM
No photos of her...because all they have are ones of her wearing the hajib/veil.

And folks....a picture like that is not going to help the Democrats.

You can see her photo and drivers' license in this video.

https://grabien.com/file.php?id=67477&searchorder=date
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:34:37 PM
Fox News ?@FoxNews 5m5 minutes ago

Attorney: "The brothers did not actually ever see [Malik's] face... She did wear a burqa."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaj9rnU8AEh8nJ.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 05:34:52 PM
Patrick Henrys Ghost ?@Pissed_Pat 42s42 seconds ago

Farook lawyer: "Tashfeen is easy to stigmatize b/c there is no picture of her." That. And her stack of victims. But, mostly the photo thing.

https://grabien.com/file.php?id=67477&searchorder=date
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:35:18 PM
L.A Bowden ?@bowden2you 6m6 minutes ago

@RaymondChickguy @cnnbrk I find this absolutely obscene! The Farook family has no reason to be hiring lawyers and citing discrimination.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:36:04 PM
Mother lived with them..stayed upstairs and didn't know what was happening downstairs......yeah right
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:37:57 PM
Scott Allan ?@commonguy123 7s7 seconds ago

Scott Allan Retweeted Popehat

Gets his wife killed, himself killed and made his young child a orphan of sorts because of beard?  Hair hate crime.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:38:32 PM
@jaketapper ROFL Now mendacious Farook family lawyers saying Syed was made fun of bc of beard. Well, there's a reason to slaughter 14 ppl.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:38:59 PM
Fox News ?@FoxNews 4m4 minutes ago

Attorney: "The mother lived with Syed and his wife."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:39:35 PM
I'M JUST SHOCKED. THEY WERE JUST SO NICE & KIND....UNTIL THEY SHOT UP A ROOM OF INNOCENTS.... #UNFRICKIN' BELIEVABLE
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 05:39:58 PM
@jaketapper ROFL Now mendacious Farook family lawyers saying Syed was made fun of bc of beard. Well, there's a reason to slaughter 14 ppl.

Bald-faced lying has become a national obsession...

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:40:07 PM
.@TheFive who is this seditious attorney, telling us that there's no terrorist connection? He must think we're gullible beyond belief.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:40:47 PM
Eye on Politics ?@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

Oh. My. God. This is worse than anything I could've imagined. Making the terrorists' family the victim here? Sick.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 05:41:12 PM
FOX Business Verified account
?@FoxBusiness

Farook Family Attorney: "Just because he had a religion... it had nothing to do with these acts."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaf46vUYAE1VVM.jpg)

Please answer as to why there have been no photograph of 'Mrs. Islamic Terrorist' provided to the police?

Is it because they're all of her in a burka, hijab/veil?

Guess that would stir a little backlash too, wouldn't it?   :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:41:31 PM
I can't believe that they think this presser is helping their cause....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:42:46 PM
John Nolte ?@NolteNC 3s3 seconds ago North Carolina, USA

Terrorists' attorneys putting on a sh*t show.

Smearing victims as racists.

These guys will be hired by CNN within the week.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:43:16 PM
Andrea Tantaros ?@AndreaTantaros 51s52 seconds ago

American lawyers defending terrorists is sickening. Radical Islam uses our system & rights to undermine us & liberals & media take the bait.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:44:27 PM

ABC7 Eyewitness News Verified account
?@ABC7

"He was a very isolated, introverted individual with really no friends that we could ID,"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVagSvcWsAANptG.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:45:34 PM
Jack Welch ?@jack_welch 54s55 seconds ago

Only in America.  Farouk "lawyers" an hour of nonsense
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John Nolte ?@NolteNC 56s57 seconds ago North Carolina, USA

After the terrorist attorney sh*t show The Five panel broke out laughing.
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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:47:10 PM
She only weighed 90lbs and wouldn't be able to hold up a gun...per lawyers
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:48:30 PM
Andrea Tantaros ?@AndreaTantaros
Why was the suspect's brother at a CAIR press conference following the attacks? Shouldn't he have been in FBI custody getting questioned?
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Richard J Dadamo ?@DickDadamo 10m10 minutes ago

@mooshakins Mom stayed upstairs and didn't see anything. Guess I missed when they announced this was a 10,000 sq foot home.





Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 05:50:36 PM
Andrea Tantaros ?@AndreaTantaros
Why was the suspect's brother at a CAIR press conference following the attacks?

Leading Allahu Akbar chants?


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 05:51:28 PM

Jake Tapper Verified account
?@jaketapper

Fmr. FBI Profiler: Baby may have been 'prop' for terrorists
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 07:09:03 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaosjnU8AATqLN.jpg:large)

First released photo of "Bonnie".   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 04, 2015, 07:27:06 PM
We are in a war and our commander in chief is on our enemy's side.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 04, 2015, 07:39:22 PM
We are in a war and our commander in chief is on our enemy's side.

We're living in a novel, without a clue as to how it ends.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 04, 2015, 07:56:20 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVajUhuUsAAZXqN.png)
ABC News ?@ABC 2m2 minutes ago

"It's not at all uncommon to own 4000 rounds" of ammo, Farook family attorney says.

Anyone that owns firearms and practices regularly would agree
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 08:03:11 PM
We are in a war and our commander in chief is on our enemy's side.

I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.

Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."

I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists!   :pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 08:05:08 PM
We're living in a novel, without a clue as to how it ends.

There will be many more deaths in this country.  I hope others realize that hardcore Democrats such as Obama are just as much an enemy in this war as are the Islamic terrorists they support and arm.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 04, 2015, 08:11:04 PM
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.

Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."

I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists!   :pondering:

Don't forget this all started when he tried to foist the Muslim Brotherhood on Egypt and then turned to his little dalliance in Libya.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
Don't forget this all started when he tried to foist the Muslim Brotherhood on Egypt and then turned to his little dalliance in Libya.

He also stayed silent when Iran's secular side had an uprising during the "Arab Spring" and he sided with the mullahs.

Wake the hell up, America.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 04, 2015, 08:19:26 PM
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.

Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."

I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists!   :pondering:

Welcome aboard!

I've been convinced for a very long time now!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 08:23:46 PM
Welcome aboard!

I've been convinced for a very long time now!

I've been 90-99% convinced for his entire presidency as its progressed.  I held out hope that he was just an incompetent moron, but obviously this is all by plan and he is an enemy to the USA.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 04, 2015, 08:42:02 PM
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.

Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."

I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists!   :pondering:

I honestly believe the administration wants to see a Middle East caliphate established, a new Ottoman Empire bringing order to the area. I believe they believe it will bring 'peace in our time'. They want a Middle Eastern EU, and who better to pull that off than the heirs of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party, Isis. This group has been fighting for a caliphate since 1947. They were trained by the Nazis during WWII as a plan to have a Middle Eastern ally and at the end of WWII, they lost power but continued to fight for the goals, and never stopped.

Up until now, our national policy has been to keep these nations not unified as another Ottoman Empire, but more radical in religious beliefs, would be a far more dangerous prospect for us.

The current administration thinks otherwise.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Fishrrman on December 04, 2015, 09:12:27 PM
mystery wrote above:
"American lawyers defending terrorists is sickening. Radical Islam uses our system & rights to undermine us & liberals & media take the bait."

Very cogent observation.

And that's why, once again, it illustrates why this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Must be changed to this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed."

... if we are to survive islam's onslaught.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 04, 2015, 09:15:03 PM
She only weighed 90lbs and wouldn't be able to hold up a gun...per lawyers


Yeah, right.  If they used the AK-74, it was about 61/2 to 8 pounds loaded.  The AR-15 is about the same.  For comparison, that's about the same as a gallon of milk.

Basically, if she could carry this:
(http://cdn2.moneysavingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/gallon-of-milk.png)


she could carry this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Ak74l.jpg)

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 04, 2015, 09:17:08 PM
Andrea Tantaros ?@AndreaTantaros 51s52 seconds ago

American lawyers defending terrorists is sickening. Radical Islam uses our system & rights to undermine us & liberals & media take the bait.


I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that.  Everyone is entitled to a lawyer, period.  And why should having a lawyer make anything any better?  The truth is the truth, and that doesn't change just because one has a lawyer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 04, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
She only weighed 90lbs and wouldn't be able to hold up a gun...per lawyers

My wife is a skinny super model looking woman and she can handle a Steyr .50 with no problem, that makes an AK look like a toothpick. I know many a 90lb woman who can and do shoot ARs and AKs most weekends. Professoinal shooter Gabby Franco is probably no more than 95lbs wet. 

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11856465_810347562413396_8397327488784814214_o.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 05, 2015, 12:08:32 AM
So I'm spamming this on a few different threads.  Like I said elsewhere, if'n you like it, please feel free to take it and put it wherever else you'd like.

(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82017.0;attach=1209;image)

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 05, 2015, 12:13:50 AM
Can you please translate the arabic?  Thanks. 

is it the ISIS logo?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 05, 2015, 12:14:20 AM
Can you please translate the arabic?  Thanks. 

As I understand it, that's Arabic for Allah
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:17:30 AM

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that.  Everyone is entitled to a lawyer, period.  And why should having a lawyer make anything any better?  The truth is the truth, and that doesn't change just because one has a lawyer.

Why does a dead terrorist need an Islamist lawyer defending a dead ID'd suspect who literally was shooting at the police after she murdered innocent people at a meeting.

Why does a dead person who literally murdered innocent people need a lawyer, Oceander?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 05, 2015, 12:19:33 AM
Why does a dead terrorist need an Islamist lawyer defending a dead ID'd suspect who literally was shooting at the police after she murdered innocent people at a meeting.

Why does a dead person who literally murdered innocent people need a lawyer, Oceander?

Who knows?  Why shouldn't the family have one if they want to spend the money?  Does it make any difference?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 11:23:43 AM

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that.  Everyone is entitled to a lawyer, period.  And why should having a lawyer make anything any better?  The truth is the truth, and that doesn't change just because one has a lawyer.

Personally, I preferred the Bush policy of treating terrorists as enemy combatants. Now those terrorists have come to our country in great numbers. I would like to see that policy of treating these people as enemy combatants restored.  This show of families of terrorists lawyering up for propaganda press conferences is destructive, and as more of it happens we are going to see more and more of it. It will do two things: demoralize a nation at war and drive a wedge between people of different beliefs and philosophies in this country, which will hurt the war effort.  Congress should declare war on ISIS, al-Qaeda and all of their off-shoots. And we should treat family members of terrorists as potential enemy combatants until they can be cleared by military intelligence.  Once cleared, they can then avail themselves of whatever legal counsel they might wish.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 11:40:58 AM
Personally, I preferred the Bush policy of treating terrorists as enemy combatants. Now those terrorists have come to our country in great numbers. I would like to see that policy of treating these people as enemy combatants restored.  This show of families of terrorists lawyering up for propaganda press conferences is destructive, and as more of it happens we are going to see more and more of it. It will do two things: demoralize a nation at war and drive a wedge between people of different beliefs and philosophies in this country, which will hurt the war effort.  Congress should declare war on ISIS, al-Qaeda and all of their off-shoots. And we should treat family members of terrorists as potential enemy combatants until they can be cleared by military intelligence.  Once cleared, they can then avail themselves of whatever legal counsel they might wish.

Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens.  There's that pesky Constitution again.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 11:45:41 AM
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens.  There's that pesky Constitution again.

American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history - tens of thousands of them in fact, beginning in 1860. Extreme times call for strong measures. The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 11:46:01 AM
Who knows?  Why shouldn't the family have one if they want to spend the money?  Does it make any difference?

You think the family are the people paying for two lawyers to defend two dead terrorists?  That's cute.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens.  There's that pesky Constitution again.

Uh, the burqa-wearing wife was here on a green card and wasn't an Anerican citizen.

Now you're deliberately lying in order to defend these terrorists.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 11:49:48 AM
American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history - tens of thousands of them in fact, beginning in 1860. Extreme times call for strong measures. The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.

American citizens have a right to due process.  No court is going to let you confine them  without a lawyer.  Even the military requires legal representation for its members.

If you don't like due process, then change it.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 11:51:26 AM
Uh, the burqa-wearing wife was here on a green card and wasn't an Anerican citizen.

Now you're deliberately lying in order to protect these terrorists.

Uh, read the thread.  We are talking about Farouk Sayeed's family, all of whom are American citizens.  The burqa wearing wife is dead, so she doesn't need representation anyway.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 11:51:39 AM
Uh, the burqa-wearing wife was here on a green card and wasn't an Anerican citizen.

Now you're deliberately lying in order to protect these terrorists.

What sink said is irrelevant anyway, American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history...and will be again.  His position here is simply non-sensical.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 11:52:06 AM
You think the family are the people paying for two lawyers to defend two dead terrorists?  That's cute.

No.  These guys are representing the family and are likely working pro bono.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
Uh, read the thread.  We are talking about Farouk Sayeed's family, all of whom are American citizens.  The burqa wearing wife is dead, so she doesn't need representation anyway.

Sayeed is dead, too, and the attorneys were defending him along with his Arab wife in their press conference.

Did you watch it?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 11:53:39 AM
What sink said is irrelevant anyway, American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history...and will be again.  His position here is simply non-sensical.

Talk about irrelevant.  You bring up a 150 year old example to bolster your point. Why not insist we use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to pursue terrorists?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 11:54:09 AM
No.  These guys are representing the family and are likely working pro bono.

Pro bono?!

Haha!

I'll bet you $1000 that they are on CAIR's payroll.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 11:54:22 AM
Sayeed is dead, too, and the attorneys were defending him along with his Arab wife in their press conference.

Did you watch it?

Yes. So? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 11:56:25 AM
Talk about irrelevant.  You bring up a 150 year old example to bolster your point. Why not insist we use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to pursue terrorists?

Jose' Padilla was 150 years ago?  Huh, I learn something new from sinkspur every day.   :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2015, 11:57:05 AM
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens.  There's that pesky Constitution again.

Maybe Sayeed's family should read the part of the Constitution where it talks about treason...I believe terrorism on your own country applies.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 11:57:29 AM
Jose' Padilla was 150 years ago?  Huh, I learn something new from sinkspur every day.   :silly:

Padilla had a lawyer from day one.  Every American citizen is entitled to legal representation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 11:57:52 AM
Yes. So?

So you said the wife is dead and doesn't need representation.   If so, why were the attorneys also defending her dead husband?  Do you understand basic logic?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 11:58:13 AM
Maybe Sayeed's family should read the part of the Constitution where it talks about treason...I believe terrorism on your own country applies.

Where is the evidence that the family is guilty of treason? That's a real stretch, Myst.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2015, 11:59:16 AM
Where is the evidence that the family is guilty of treason? That's a real stretch, Myst.

I am talking about Sayeed and maybe his mother....no evidence on the rest of the family....yet
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 11:59:49 AM
Talk about irrelevant.  You bring up a 150 year old example to bolster your point. Why not insist we use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to pursue terrorists?

Gee, sink, here is a discussion of that very issue, with an example from 2012:

http://www.aei.org/publication/yes-u-s-citizens-can-be-held-as-enemy-combatants/

Where have you been the last 14 years when the courts have dealt with exactly this issue related to American citizens in al-Qaeda? The left, who you seem to be very close to lately, practically had apoplexy over Rumsfeld over this.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:00:46 PM
Padilla had a lawyer from day one.  Every American citizen is entitled to legal representation.

That's irrelevant to Padilla being an enemy combatant.  Stay on the topic terrorist defender.

You said the wife is dead and doesn't need an attorney.  If so, why were the two "pro bono" (LOL at that one) attorneys defending both her and her dead husband?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
I am talking about Sayeed and maybe his mother....no evidence on the rest of the family....yet

Any evidence against the mother is now worthless since the entire crime scene was compromised and contaminated.

sinkspur defended that obvious case of criminal trespass as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2015, 12:04:19 PM
Any evidence against the mother is now worthless since the entire crime scene was compromised and contaminated.

sinkspur defended that obvious case of criminal trespass as well.

True...but the FBI questioned her for 7hrs and are not through...maybe she will slip up....but now they have lawyer'ed up
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 12:04:27 PM
I am talking about Sayeed and maybe his mother....no evidence on the rest of the family....yet

If we deem the families as enemy combatants we can hold them until the evidence can be analyzed.  I suggest we should do that but do it properly, with a declaration of war.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:05:28 PM
Where is the evidence that the family is guilty of treason? That's a real stretch, Myst.

Gee sinkspur, maybe some of it was shredded in the garbage can that the FBI apparently didn't think was worth taking as evidence?  Of course now whatever was shredded is worthless and will be thrown out of court.  Not that Obama seems to care, anyhow.

Nor you, either.  Funny how that is, huh?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:10:10 PM
True...but the FBI questioned her for 7hrs and are not through...maybe she will slip up....but now they have lawyer'ed up

Even more egregious that the house she lived in wasn't sealed and everything in it taken into evidence.  You have posters here defending this baffling decision by the FBI.  Why are they defending it?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:12:37 PM
If we deem the families as enemy combatants we can hold them until the evidence can be analyzed.  I suggest we should do that but do it properly, with a declaration of war.

It was just workplace violence along with postpartum depression.  CNN says it so it must be true!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2015, 12:15:15 PM
Even more egregious that the house she lived in wasn't sealed and everything in it taken into evidence.  You have posters here defending this baffling decision by the FBI.  Why are they defending it?

I think they are defending it because they trust Comey.

Comey is a good man but I am always suspicious of anyone who works for this admin..especially a Repub.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:20:08 PM
I think they are defending it because they trust Comey.

Comey is a good man but I am always suspicious of anyone who works for this admin..especially a Repub.

Comey didn't make the call on leaving obvious evidence to be contaminated.  If he did Lynch would have fired him on the spot had she and her boss not approved of it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 12:23:04 PM
The fact that they spent so little time in that house once again tells us that the regime cares not about terror attacks here.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
That's irrelevant to Padilla being an enemy combatant.  Stay on the topic terrorist defender.

You said the wife is dead and doesn't need an attorney.  If so, why were the two "pro bono" (LOL at that one) attorneys defending both her and her dead husband?

Enemy combatants aren't allowed attorneys unless they're charged.  Padilla had an attorney from the first day.

Don't know why they're defending two dead people.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
The fact that they spent so little time in that house once again tells us that the regime cares not about terror attacks here.

As I've said, it's right in front of our face, yet even some who are supposedly on the right continue to make excuses for it and lash out at posters for simply calling a terrorist for what they are.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 12:44:08 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 05, 2015, 12:45:00 PM
I wish next time a couple of you could have your own thread to crap on each other. What a pain in the ass it is to have to sift through it
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 05, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
What happened to the third alleged shooter?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 12:47:15 PM
What happened to the third alleged shooter?

There wasn't one. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 12:50:31 PM
Sticker found in home of San Bernardino terror couple reveals link to controversial New York mosque

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347078/Sticker-home-San-Bernardino-terror-couple-reveals-link-controversial-New-York-mosque.html


REVEALED: San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook 'had contact with Syrian al Qaeda-affiliated group AND al Shabaab in Somalia' before planting bombs and gunning down 14 people with his marriage website Pakistani bride

    WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGE


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346500/Pictured-handcuffed-body-San-Bernardino-terrorist-Pakistani-wife-pledged-allegiance-ISIS-Facebook-slaughter-14.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 12:51:25 PM
What happened to the third alleged shooter?
Haven't heard.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 05, 2015, 12:53:55 PM
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
What happened to the third alleged shooter?

If there was an accomplice or accomplices, we'll never know since the entire home where the attack was planned is contaminated as a crime scene.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 01:01:06 PM
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?
No, I heard the police chief say they had someone in custody that was running from the scene.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 05, 2015, 01:02:45 PM
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?
That is my understanding. However I saw a post on Facebook of an individual claiming he had friend/friends on San Bernardino area law enforcement, that they were searching for other known associates, of the dead couple.

The post said LE was not making this public because they don't want to scare the public.

My guess is that while various laypersons with no training or experience in LE, ramble on endlessly on sites like this, the skilled people are out there trying to do their jobs.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 01:03:43 PM
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?


He was released when it was determined he had nothing to do with the shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 05, 2015, 01:07:24 PM

He was released when it was determined he had nothing to do with the shooting.

That is my understanding also.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 05, 2015, 01:09:37 PM
My guess is that while various laypersons with no training or experience in LE, ramble on endlessly on sites like this, the skilled people are out there trying to do their jobs.

But some of 'em say it so authoritatively.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 05, 2015, 02:59:10 PM

He was released when it was determined he had nothing to do with the shooting.
Thanks. I'd been too busy to track down any info.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 03:13:48 PM
Now I know the real reason that appt was open to media. Cnn asked a reporter who was in appt this question. Did anything in that place look like they were terrorist? No was the answer, toys just like anyone else s apt. Did the powers that be plant things in that place to make it look more American?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 03:17:56 PM
Now I know the real reason that appt was open to media. Cnn asked a reporter who was in appt this question. Did anything in that place look like they were terrorist? No was the answer, toys just like anyone else s apt. Did the powers that be plant things in that place to make it look more American?

How strange is it in America today...that we can think such a thing about our government and you sit back and realize that with this corrupt bunch it is a very reasonable supposition.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 03:36:16 PM
How strange is it in America today...that we can think such a thing about our government and you sit back and realize that with this corrupt bunch it is a very reasonable supposition.
We know it was a 2 story apt. In photos only saw one bathroom, kitchen, living room any of garage? The couples bed room? edit to add....remember the authorities said it was  EID factory, no sign of anything close to that in those photos was there?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: alicewonders on December 05, 2015, 03:42:25 PM
We know it was a 2 story apt. In photos only saw one bathroom, kitchen, living room any of garage? The couples bed room? edit to add....remember the authorities said it was  EID factory, no sign of anything close to that in those photos was there?

Yeah.  Things are being covered up.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 03:50:04 PM
The question still is "why".  The only good answer is that this is indeed a cell and they are attempting to apprehend the rest of it.  All the other answers point to treason on the part of the highest officials in the government.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 05, 2015, 03:54:54 PM
The question still is "why".  The only good answer is that this is indeed a cell and they are attempting to apprehend the rest of it.  All the other answers point to treason on the part of the highest officials in the government.

They are terrorists and that is what terrorists do.... there is no why...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 03:57:01 PM
They are terrorists and that is what terrorists do.... there is no why...

No, that's not the "why" I am writing of...it is the cover up of actions related to opening the house, or part of it, to the media.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:08:22 PM
No, that's not the "why" I am writing of...it is the cover up of actions related to opening the house, or part of it, to the media.

That video is still surreal to me, but nobody really seems to care, and many seem to think it's SOP.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:12:11 PM
The question still is "why".  The only good answer is that this is indeed a cell and they are attempting to apprehend the rest of it.  All the other answers point to treason on the part of the highest officials in the government.

Wouldn't it be easier to scour everything in that home for prints and any other DNA evidence of other cell members and bring it all into a controlled laboratory environment?

I've yet to hear a good reason why that hadn't been done before the "investigation" was over.

Facebook scrubbed my sharing of that video, too.  This is a cover-up in the wide open.  That's how brazen the terrorists, including our president, are at this point in America.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 04:26:37 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to scour everything in that home for prints and any other DNA evidence of other cell members?

I've yet to hear a good reason why that hadn't been done before the "investigation" was over.

Facebook scrubbed my sharing of that video, too.

I don't know - I can hope for the best, that they have some very hot leads and they are pursuing those with vigor, while throwing out all sort of disinformation out to lower the guard of the fugitives...or I can see an effort to disrupt the investigation to assist those the administration favors while keeping the focus on "peaceful, law abiding muslims" and promoting the idea that Americans are bigots.  And waiting for everyone to be distracted by football this weekend.  That would be treason...and I am at a loss trying to convince myself that Obama would not go there.  And then there is Congress...which has become the most useless institution in history.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:51:59 PM
I don't know - I can hope for the best, that they have some very hot leads and they are pursuing those with vigor, while throwing out all sort of disinformation out to lower the guard of the fugitives...or I can see an effort to disrupt the investigation to assist those the administration favors while keeping the focus on "peaceful, law abiding muslims" and promoting the idea that Americans are bigots.  And waiting for everyone to be distracted by football this weekend.  That would be treason...and I am at a loss trying to convince myself that Obama would not go there.  And then there is Congress...which has become the most useless institution in history.

Yeah, it's a great thing we worked so hard to gain control back from the Dems, huh?  Frightened to the point they won't shut down the government by adding an anti-refugee amendment to the funding bill they just passed, even with 65% of Americans opposed to bringing in these unvetted terrorists.

I feel like such a sucker for standing by the establishment GOP for as long as I did.  It's all just one big elitist party in DC as they thumb their noses at us peons.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 06, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 06, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 06, 2015, 12:33:31 PM
On the one hand the father was brutally honest about his son...on the other he has the perverted Islamic mindset himself. Don't tell me Islam is not the problem...they are a religion FULL of rabid animals.
Yes it is. Name one good thing islam has done for anything? One.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 06, 2015, 12:52:57 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 07, 2015, 01:58:16 PM
Now I know the real reason that appt was open to media. Cnn asked a reporter who was in appt this question. Did anything in that place look like they were terrorist? No was the answer, toys just like anyone else s apt. Did the powers that be plant things in that place to make it look more American?

No one had any need to plant things. It probaly IS just like anyone else's apartment. That's the whole point of a sleeper.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 08, 2015, 12:31:29 PM
No one had any need to plant things. It probaly IS just like anyone else's apartment. That's the whole point of a sleeper.
I don't trust any off them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 08, 2015, 03:06:09 PM
Terror couple's bombs were set to kill first responders

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/07/terror-couple-bombs-were-set-to-kill-first-repsonders/?intcmp=hpbt3

California terrorists got a $28k payment two weeks before attack - suspicious transfer revealed as FBI says couple had been radicalized for 'some time' and had rigged building to blow after massacre

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3350320/San-Bernardino-gunmen-rigged-conference-center-blow-responders-arrived-months-practice-radicalized-time.html#

EXCLUSIVE: Shooting targets, GoPro packaging, hammer and 'vise grips' found by FBI in car belonging to San Bernardino shooter's MOTHER

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3350280/Shooting-targets-GoPro-packaging-hammer-Syed-Farook-s-mother-s-car.html

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I cannot read the comments at DM is it only me?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 08, 2015, 03:14:17 PM
I cannot read the comments at DM is it only me?

I can see them...


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 08, 2015, 03:32:41 PM
I can see them...
Thanks. I thought it was just for Trump and Mr&Mrs workplace violence. Yet now I see it is all of them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 08, 2015, 03:33:43 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 11, 2015, 06:07:44 AM
 San Bernardino shooters planned bigger attack, investigators believe
FBI dive teams searches for digital footprint of San Bernardino shooters

An FBI dive team on Thursday searches for electronic devices or other evidence possibly left in Seccombe Lake, about two miles north of the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. (Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times)
Richard A. Serrano, Richard Winton, Sarah Parvini and James QueallyContact Reporters

An examination of digital equipment recovered from the home of the couple who killed 14 people in San Bernardino last week has led FBI investigators to believe the shooters were planning an even larger assault, according to federal government sources.

Investigators on Thursday continued to search for digital footprints left by Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, scouring a downtown San Bernardino lake for electronic items, including a hard drive that the couple was hoping to destroy, sources told The Times.

FBI agents will probably spend days searching Seccombe Lake and canvassing the neighborhood for clues after receiving a tip that the couple may have visited the area on the day of the attack, according to David Bowdich, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI's Los Angeles field office.

Farook and Malik were in the final planning stages of an assault on a location or building that housed a lot more people than the Inland Regional Center, possibly a nearby school or college, according to federal sources familiar with the widening investigation.

A memorial to victims of the terrorist attack in San Bernardino continues to grow near the Inland Regional Center. (Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times)

Investigators have based that conclusion on evidence left behind on Farook and Malik's computers and digital devices, not all of which the couple were able to destroy before they were killed in a firefight with police, the sources said.

Images of San Bernardino-area schools were found on a cellphone belonging to Farook, according to a law enforcement source. But the source cautioned that Farook may have had a legitimate reason to have the images because his work as a county health inspector involved checking on school dining facilities.

On Thursday, one of the federal government sources told The Times that Farook asked his friend and neighbor, Enrique Marquez, to buy two military-style rifles used in the attacks because he feared he "wouldn't pass a background check" if he attempted to acquire the weapons on his own. The rifles were bought at a local gun store, the source said.

The timing of the rifle purchases is significant to FBI investigators. Another federal government source previously told The Times that Farook may have been considering a separate terror plot in 2011 or 2012.


Farook was self-radicalizing around that time, FBI Director James Comey said, and met Malik soon after, eventually escorting her to the United States. Farook was a practicing Muslim. Marquez converted to Islam around the time he purchased the weapons, sources have told The Times.

FBI agents believe Farook abandoned his plans to launch the earlier attack after a law enforcement task force arrested three men in Chino in November 2012. The men were later convicted of charges related to providing material support to terrorists and plotting to kill Americans in Afghanistan. A fourth man arrested in Afghanistan also was convicted in the scheme.

Bowdich said federal agents are investigating whether the men had ties to Farook.

Marquez has emerged as a central figure in the investigation. The FBI had been conducting interviews with 24-year-old, who checked himself into a mental health facility after the attacks.

The former Wal-Mart security guard has waived his Miranda rights and cooperated with the inquiry, and it was Marquez who told FBI agents about Farook's earlier plans, according to one of the government sources, who also requested anonymity.


Officials continue to scour the backgrounds of the shooters who killed 14 people and injured 21 in San Bernardino.

"They were talking generally about something, but I don't think it made it to anything specific," one of the sources said of the earlier plot. "I don't think it got to a time or a place."

The source said it remains unclear whether Marquez had any involvement in the planning of the shooting or had any prior knowledge that an attack was pending.

Marquez, a cycling enthusiast who wanted to join the U.S. Navy, was a longtime friend and neighbor of Farook. He also married the sister of Farook's sister-in-law last year, although the circumstances of the union are now under investigation, a government official previously told The Times.

There was no paperwork transferring ownership of the assault rifles from Marquez to Farook, as required by California law, government officials told The Times.

Hours after the shooting, Marquez posted a cryptic message on his Facebook page.

"I'm. Very sorry sguys," the message read. "It was a pleasure."

Bowdich on Thursday declined to answer questions about Marquez, who has not been charged with a crime.


Marquez told FBI agents that the Facebook post has been "misunderstood," according to one of the government sources. Agents are concerned that Marquez's mental and emotional state may affect what he has been telling interrogators, the source said.

While Marquez has spoken to agents about his ties to Farook, federal officials are still working to verify the information he has provided, the source said.

Marquez's mother, Armida Chacon, addressed reporters on Thursday from her Tomlinson Avenue home in Riverside, sobbing as she said she hadn't been in contact with her son since the day of the massacre.

"I don't know how this happened.... My world is upside-down," she said. "My life changed Wednesday."

Chacon was outside with one of her sons, cleaning up the broken glass and twisted panels of their garage door. The damage occurred when federal agents raided the stucco home over the weekend.

As she combed through the wreckage of the garage door, Chacon eventually turned to the reporters camped out on the street and agreed to an off-camera interview.

Marquez was his mother's "right hand at home," helping take care of his brothers, she said.

She said her son loved to hang out with friends and go to parties.

"My son is a good person," she said.

When asked about Farook, Chacon said her son was friends with him and "nothing more."

Chacon said she was overwhelmed by news of the shooting and had spent the last several days crying inside her home.
See the most-read stories this hour >>

"I want this to stop," she said.

After speaking to reporters for about 10 minutes, Chacon turned and walked back inside the house.

She was still crying.

http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-sb-shooting-20151211-story.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 11, 2015, 06:09:45 AM
Don't they mean they were planning bigger "workplace violence?" :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 11, 2015, 12:46:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bClwr4osp50&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 11, 2015, 12:55:52 PM
Why the Hell do we treat (in the media) people like this Chacon woman like a victim? Her "good person" got weapons for jihadi mass murderers. I'll save my sympathy for real victims.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 11, 2015, 03:03:02 PM
I was listening to a podcast I had downloaded from KFI640am.  Gary and Shannon show. They mentioned the Quatar link.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 11, 2015, 05:01:20 PM
San Bernardino divers reportedly pull object from water in evidence search

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/11/san-bernardino-divers-return-to-lake-seeking-electronic-evidence/?intcmp=hpbt2

Quote
An FBI dive team reportedly pulled an object from a San Bernardino lake Friday, seeking evidence pinpointing the motive and history of the attackers who killed more than a dozen people during a holiday party.

One diver handed the unknown item to an official wearing gloves, who put the object in a plastic bag, the Press-Enterprise reports.

Investigators are looking for a hard drive that may have been dumped in the lake, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press. David Bowdich, chief of the FBI's Los Angeles office, said investigative leads indicated the shooters had been in the area the day of the massacre and said the search of the lake could take days.

Fox News has learned that in 2012, one of the gunmen, Syed Farook, conspired with former neighbor Enrique Marquez, the man who purchased the rifles used in the deadly attack in San Bernardino on Dec. 2. The plot would have targeted the Los Angeles area.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 11, 2015, 05:02:26 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 11, 2015, 05:03:13 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 11, 2015, 05:08:37 PM
Good. Sprinkle her corpse with pig blood before lighting the fire.
Yep.....you know she thought for sure she would have a honorable funeral by her sharia types.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 12, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 13, 2015, 05:39:26 AM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Sanguine on December 13, 2015, 12:50:42 PM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 13, 2015, 12:52:53 PM
Radioactive radical: Body of San Bernardino jihadist bride unclaimed

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/11/martyr-scorned-body-san-bernardino-jihadist-bride-unclaimed/?intcmp=hpbt3

Someone from CAIR will quietly claim the body and we'll never know about it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 13, 2015, 01:07:47 PM
Much evidence of incompetence, careless disregard of Americans safety by the Obama-Hillary Clinton administration.

Democrats cannot be trusted with national or domestic security. A fruitful campaign theme, for the GOP next November.

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Post by: Carling on December 13, 2015, 01:50:15 PM
Much evidence of incompetence, careless disregard of Americans safety by the Obama-Hillary Clinton administration.

Democrats cannot be trusted with national or domestic security. A fruitful campaign theme, for the GOP next November.

Trump and Cruz are already running on it, yet the GOPe-ers are mocking them for trying to do something as obvious as restrict immigration until the vetting process improves.