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General Category => World News => Topic started by: flowers on March 05, 2014, 02:46:22 PM

Title: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: flowers on March 05, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: musiclady on March 05, 2014, 02:52:00 PM
What is going on? The admin is doing the right thing here.

Maybe this partially makes up for the fact that they put Poland and the Baltic in peril by taking away the missile shield.   **nononono*
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: flowers on March 05, 2014, 03:10:35 PM
What is going on? The admin is doing the right thing here.

Maybe this partially makes up for the fact that they put Poland and the Baltic in peril by taking away the missile shield.   **nononono*
Nah......internal pols must be horrible on this event. Obama NEVER does anything for the right reason. Always a political move by them.
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: musiclady on March 05, 2014, 03:40:49 PM
Nah......internal pols must be horrible on this event. Obama NEVER does anything for the right reason. Always a political move by them.

Yeah.............I'm afraid you're right about that............   :shrug:
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: Oceander on March 05, 2014, 09:38:43 PM
Still begs the question of whether, if push came to shove, would the US and NATO get into a shooting war with Russia if Russia entered one of the baltic states to "protect" ethnic Russians?
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: Atomic Cow on March 05, 2014, 10:09:34 PM
Still begs the question of whether, if push came to shove, would the US and NATO get into a shooting war with Russia if Russia entered one of the baltic states to "protect" ethnic Russians?

There was a study by Jane's about 20 years ago which said that Russia will eventually attempt to recreate its empire by absorbing the former Soviet republics one by one, but it would not touch the Baltic states until last.  By that time the West would be powerless to stop them and will not risk nuclear escalation which the Russians would threaten in an instant.

The only wild card would be the Chinese.  There is a huge region that both the Russians and Chinese claim, the Maritime Region which is the are surrounding Vladivostok.  If Russia had nothing else to do and the West wasn't a threat, their next objective would be to take the Chinese areas back by force.
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: Oceander on March 05, 2014, 10:27:32 PM
There was a study by Jane's about 20 years ago which said that Russia will eventually attempt to recreate its empire by absorbing the former Soviet republics one by one, but it would not touch the Baltic states until last.  By that time the West would be powerless to stop them and will not risk nuclear escalation which the Russians would threaten in an instant.

The only wild card would be the Chinese.  There is a huge region that both the Russians and Chinese claim, the Maritime Region which is the are surrounding Vladivostok.  If Russia had nothing else to do and the West wasn't a threat, their next objective would be to take the Chinese areas back by force.

I dunno.  Russia is going to have to start going after former SSRs that are now NATO members, and one of the little baltics might be a good first test case to see exactly how NATO is going to react.

The point about China is interesting.  If the US & EU can muster up the will to put a serious hurtin' on Putin via real economic measures, that might weaken & distract Russia to the point where the Chinese decide that there are ethnic Chinese in Russian territory who now need "protecting."  At that juncture, China could probably get away with it, too.  Putin has made a very, very big bet on the weakness of the US and EU political will.
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: Rapunzel on March 05, 2014, 10:39:15 PM
Rudy told Sean Hannity at the top of the hour that we could put the world of hurt on easily if we'd export out excess gas to Europe and free them of depending on Russia for energy.  He said right now in North Dakota we are burning off gas because we have such an excess.
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: Oceander on March 05, 2014, 10:42:12 PM
Rudy told Sean Hannity at the top of the hour that we could put the world of hurt on easily if we'd export out excess gas to Europe and free them of depending on Russia for energy.  He said right now in North Dakota we are burning off gas because we have such an excess.

exactly.  Russia has some very serious vulnerabilities on the economic front, but it will take some wits and some will from the US & EU to exploit those vulnerabilities to push Russia out of the Ukraine.  Putin has simply made an informed wager that the will simply isn't there.
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: Rapunzel on March 05, 2014, 10:48:15 PM
exactly.  Russia has some very serious vulnerabilities on the economic front, but it will take some wits and some will from the US & EU to exploit those vulnerabilities to push Russia out of the Ukraine.  Putin has simply made an informed wager that the will simply isn't there.


and - so far - he would be right.
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: EC on March 05, 2014, 10:52:49 PM

and - so far - he would be right.

Sadly - yes.
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: Oceander on March 05, 2014, 10:55:23 PM

and - so far - he would be right.

more likely than not
Title: Re: US to bolster military support to Poland, Baltic
Post by: Rapunzel on March 05, 2014, 11:09:59 PM
six planes and a tanker isn't a lot of support.

BTW we could return to saying we'll put missile defense shields in Poland, etc... aka the shield Bush approved and Bush killed...