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General Category => World News => Topic started by: rangerrebew on October 22, 2013, 01:51:08 PM

Title: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: rangerrebew on October 22, 2013, 01:51:08 PM
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: Atomic Cow on October 22, 2013, 06:52:32 PM
Oh good grief.  This is nothing but a bunch of scare tactics by some anti-nuclear sissy.

They've already had at least one fairly strong typhoon pass over the area and it caused no problems.
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: Liberal_Spy on October 22, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
Oh good grief.  This is nothing but a bunch of scare tactics by some anti-nuclear sissy.

They've already had at least one fairly strong typhoon pass over the area and it caused no problems.

The initial damage was caused by a really unlucky earthquake, unless I am mistaken. Those facilities are built to last, and withstand a LOT. I highly doubt the typhoons will do more damage.
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: Oceander on October 22, 2013, 11:14:00 PM
The initial damage was caused by a really unlucky earthquake, unless I am mistaken. Those facilities are built to last, and withstand a LOT. I highly doubt the typhoons will do more damage.

Precisely.
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: rangerrebew on October 23, 2013, 06:55:04 AM
The initial damage was caused by a really unlucky earthquake, unless I am mistaken. Those facilities are built to last, and withstand a LOT. I highly doubt the typhoons will do more damage.

The problem is they were built too close to the ocean and a hefty storm surge could cause more damage.  What more damage that might be, I'm not sure - but it could. :th_10444:
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: EC on October 23, 2013, 08:25:58 AM
Assuming the plant was built to code (there have been conflicting reports of skimped materials and shoddy construction), a storm surge, no matter how powerful, wouldn't even make anyone on duty inside blink.

Built to last is an understatement. Chernobyl happened 30 years ago and the original containment dome is still mostly intact under the outer coffer cover. There is a fascinating picture out there of part of the core melted and still slowly fissioning. It isn't going anywhere, despite being both hot and totally lethal to approach. IIRC, they got the picture using a robot, since simply standing at the end of the corridor where it is is enough to kill you within hours. It took them two tries. The first robot was fried before it could get a picture. The second got one picture before it was fried.
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: rangerrebew on October 23, 2013, 09:14:16 AM
a storm surge, no matter how powerful, wouldn't even make anyone on duty inside blink.


And the Titanic was unsinkable. 00000swimming
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: EC on October 23, 2013, 09:27:28 AM
And the Titanic was unsinkable. 00000swimming

Actually - it was. If the crew followed procedures correctly.

Dad did his thesis on the design of the Titanic (used me as a sounding board, not that I was interested, but we did our homework together on the kitchen table). In theory it was unsinkable. More bulkheads and watertight compartments than the Bismark. Double hull both riveted and welded for the maximum combination of strength and flexibility. Two completely separate engine rooms and 17 pump rooms.

All negated by a sloppy crew not just leaving doors open that should have always been dogged closed, but lashing them open. Dad eventually concluded it was down to bad ventilation in the crew areas.

Thanks - not thought of that for years, but I was back at the table doing my biology homework for a few minutes. :laugh:
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 23, 2013, 12:25:25 PM
The other thing at play here is this: when two cyclones collide, it usually destroys, or at least significantly harms, both. That's because each cyclone ends up interfering with the circulation of the other, weakening the storms.
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: EC on October 23, 2013, 12:47:13 PM
It's my understanding that it takes a very specific set of conditions regarding air pressure, wind speed, land speed, cloud load and direction - different each time - for two cyclones to be additive.
Title: Re: 2 typhoons set to collide over Fukushima around Thursday
Post by: Atomic Cow on October 23, 2013, 06:46:24 PM
And the Titanic was unsinkable. 00000swimming

The designers never claimed it was.  A trade publication called the Olympic class "practically unsinkable" or something along those lines.

What killed the Titanic were design flaws such as an undersized rudder and watertight bulkheads which did not go all the way up to the main deck, bad steel and rivets, and for the passengers, not enough lifeboats.  Had they followed the original plan, Titanic would have had 64 lifeboats, one more than would have been needed on that night.