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Title: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: mystery-ak on October 04, 2013, 11:36:15 AM
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: sinkspur on October 04, 2013, 11:39:55 AM
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Polls have consistently shown more people blame Republicans than the White House for the shutdown.

And they will continue to, and it will get worse.

Everyone knows what the definition of insanity is, and the Republicans typify insanity by continuing to send spending bills to Harry Reid that he is not going to take up.
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: Bigun on October 04, 2013, 11:44:29 AM
And they will continue to, and it will get worse.

Everyone knows what the definition of insanity is, and the Republicans typify insanity by continuing to send spending bills to Harry Reid that he is not going to take up.

I keep hearing this broken record!  Wonder why that is?
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: sinkspur on October 04, 2013, 11:46:38 AM
I keep hearing this broken record!  Wonder why that is?

What's going to make Reid take them up?  The polls are all against the Republicans. 

We're losing this, Bigun, no matter what kind of fairy dust Ted Cruz blows at you.
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: Bigun on October 04, 2013, 11:48:34 AM
What's going to make Reid take them up?  The polls are all against the Republicans. 

We're losing this, Bigun, no matter what kind of fairy dust Ted Cruz blows at you.

Only in your fevered mind and that of those like you!
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
Polls have consistently shown more people blame Republicans than the White House for the shutdown.

Clintoon was the one who popularized 'government by poll' and 20 years later it is accepted as an authoritative method for determining right and wrong actions...


Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: sinkspur on October 04, 2013, 12:00:19 PM
Clintoon was the one who popularized 'government by poll' and 20 years later it is accepted as an authoritative method for determining right and wrong actions...

Based on the polls from last election cycle, it's pretty clear they accurately reflect the feelings of people in response to the questions asked.

It's not about right and wrong.  It's about who's getting the blame for the shutdown.  Polls before the shutdown indicated the public would blame Republicans and, sure enough, that's exactly what the public is doing.
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: massadvj on October 04, 2013, 12:25:14 PM
It seems to me irrelevant who the public "blames" for the shutdown.  Maybe the public LIKES the shutdown and therefore whoever is to "blame" should be getting credit.  I certainly like the idea that the government has to eliminate all of its "nonessential" personnel.  I only wish it could go on forever, instead of however long this supposed "crisis" lasts.

Some percentage of those who think the GOP is to "blame" for the shutdown, also supports the shutdown.  This is typical of the way the media operates to skew public opinion. 

The phone calls and letters coming into congress are more indicative of what people are really thinking, and those must be favorable else the GOP house members would be looking for a graceful exit about now. 
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: sinkspur on October 04, 2013, 12:34:13 PM
It seems to me irrelevant who the public "blames" for the shutdown.  Maybe the public LIKES the shutdown and therefore whoever is to "blame" should be getting credit.  I certainly like the idea that the government has to eliminate all of its "nonessential" personnel.  I only wish it could go on forever, instead of however long this supposed "crisis" lasts.

Some percentage of those who think the GOP is to "blame" for the shutdown, also supports the shutdown.  This is typical of the way the media operates to skew public opinion. 

The phone calls and letters coming into congress are more indicative of what people are really thinking, and those must be favorable else the GOP house members would be looking for a graceful exit about now.

They ARE looking for a graceful exit.  Don't kid yourself.  Boehner's demands keep getting weaker and weaker.
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: Bigun on October 04, 2013, 12:34:15 PM
It seems to me irrelevant who the public "blames" for the shutdown.  Maybe the public LIKES the shutdown and therefore whoever is to "blame" should be getting credit.  I certainly like the idea that the government has to eliminate all of its "nonessential" personnel.  I only wish it could go on forever, instead of however long this supposed "crisis" lasts.

Some percentage of those who think the GOP is to "blame" for the shutdown, also supports the shutdown.  This is typical of the way the media operates to skew public opinion. 

The phone calls and letters coming into congress are more indicative of what people are really thinking, and those must be favorable else the GOP house members would be looking for a graceful exit about now.

Grassroots republicans and the TEA party (in reality one in the same entidy) are overwhelmingly in support of what the house is doing! I couldn't care less what democrats and the media think about anything!
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: xfreeper on October 04, 2013, 12:53:34 PM
To continue offering bills that fund essential (or popular) parts of the government and have the senate vote them down is the best move at this point. A strategy to demonize Reid and the dims for continuing to fail to move forward as well as criticizing the poser in chief for his failure to lead will coincide.
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: Bigun on October 04, 2013, 12:57:17 PM
To continue offering bills that fund essential (or popular) parts of the government and have the senate vote them down is the best move at this point. A strategy to demonize Reid and the dims for continuing to fail to move forward as well as criticizing the poser in chief for his failure to lead will coincide.

For most of our history this is EXACTLY how budgets were arrived at. Omnibus budget bills are a recent phenomena.
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2013, 12:57:51 PM
To continue offering bills that fund essential (or popular) parts of the government and have the senate vote them down is the best move at this point. A strategy to demonize Reid and the dims for continuing to fail to move forward as well as criticizing the poser in chief for his failure to lead will coincide.

Yeah, I think so too.  It disproves the notion that the GOP is doing nothing and shows who the obstructionists really are.

Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2013, 12:58:39 PM
For most of our history this is EXACTLY how budgets were arrived at. Omnibus budget bills are a recent phenomena.

Yep, that's true.  Now to do otherwise is considered 'politically-motivated'.

Of course, just consider the source on that one...


Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: Bigun on October 04, 2013, 01:28:40 PM
Vladimir Putin was quoted as saying,
 
"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon.
 
The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, poops on the board and
then struts around like it won the game."


I think he's got him figured out!

Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: xfreeper on October 04, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
Vladimir Putin was quoted as saying,
 
"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon.
 
The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, poops on the board and
then struts around like it won the game."


I think he's got him figured out!

OH, that's beautiful
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: Bigun on October 04, 2013, 01:37:34 PM
OH, that's beautiful

OH yeah! A perfect description!
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 04, 2013, 05:59:27 PM
They ARE looking for a graceful exit.  Don't kid yourself.  Boehner's demands keep getting weaker and weaker.

You've apparently thought this through.  What are your recommendations for the GOP?  Please share.
Title: Re: Boehner rallies his troops at closed-door conference
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 04, 2013, 06:01:11 PM
For most of our history this is EXACTLY how budgets were arrived at. Omnibus budget bills are a recent phenomena.

 :thumbsup: