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McConnell details $500 billion COVID bill set for Wednesday vote
By Jordain Carney - 10/17/20 05:05 PM EDT
The Senate will vote on a $500 billion GOP coronavirus relief bill on Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) announced on Saturday.
The bill — which is less than a third of the size of the $1.8 trillion offer from the White House — will include a federal unemployment benefit and another round of small business assistance under the Paycheck Protection Program.
The bill, according to McConnell, will also include more than $100 billion for schools, as well as money for testing, contact tracing and vaccine development and distribution.
McConnell will require Democratic help to get the 60 votes needed to pass the bill in the Senate. Democrats previously blocked a similar bill and are expected to do the same to the new GOP proposal.
“Nobody thinks this $500B+ proposal would resolve every problem forever. It would deliver huge amounts of additional help to workers and families right now while Washington keeps arguing over the rest,†McConnell said.
In addition to the $500 billion package, McConnell said the Senate will vote on Tuesday on a stand-alone PPP proposal. It would also need 60 votes to ultimately pass the Senate. Republicans had previously planned to hold a stand-alone PPP vote in August but scrapped it because of caucus infighting.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/521555-mcconnell-details-500-billion-covid-bill-set-for-wednesday-vote
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I can't see crazy nancy acceptin' this.
Unless... the internal polls she has show things aren't as rosy for the democrat-communists as is claimed...
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Our socialist democrats want to collapse our economy, just like they did in Germany last century, or more recently Venezuela. President Trump wants sensible spending and therefore sensible taxes, not economy breaking taxes.
Soros Nazi gold wants Nazi Germany II America, namely history repeating itself. Open your eyes, the information is before you, just look. :yowsa: 999yawn :yowsa:
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Our socialist democrats want to collapse our economy, just like they did in Germany last century, or more recently Venezuela. President Trump wants sensible spending and therefore sensible taxes, not economy breaking taxes.
Soros Nazi gold wants Nazi Germany II America, namely history repeating itself. Open your eyes, the information is before you, just look. :yowsa: 999yawn :yowsa:
It is a two-thirds REPUBLICAN government that has spent 15 TRILLION dollars - More money... nearly doubling the Obama administration... More money spent, more paper printed than any time in history.
The very same can be said of Dubya's government - writing more money than all the money COMBINED in the history of the country previous to his administration.
Your claims fall on deaf ears.
Republicans are not going to save us from financial collapse. They are part and parcel with it, and you are voting them in.
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Pelosi and democrat company still keep demanding they won't pass President Trumps bills because they don't spend enough. Your lockstep has made your eyes glaze over.
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Pelosi and democrat company still keep demanding they won't pass President Trumps bills because they don't spend enough. Your lockstep has made your eyes glaze over.
Don't care about Pelousy and the left. They only succeed because they face no opposition... As 15 TRILLION dollars passed by a Republican senate and signed by a Republican president amply proves.
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Republicans spent all dah money! ALL DAH MONEY! THE HOUSE SPENDS THE MONEY AND IS CONTROLLED BY THE DEMOCRATS, SO ONCE AGAIN, BLAME TRUMP. That's the playbook stoogery, now get inline and do the mindless lock-step!
22222frying pan :smokin:
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Republicans spent all dah money! ALL DAH MONEY! THE HOUSE SPENDS THE MONEY AND IS CONTROLLED BY THE DEMOCRATS, SO ONCE AGAIN, BLAME TRUMP. That's the playbook stoogery, now get inline and do the mindless lock-step!
22222frying pan :smokin:
Signed by a Republican senate and a Republican president.
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The democrat controlled House controls the Treasury purse strings. that's the basics, brush up!
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The democrat controlled House controls the Treasury purse strings. that's the basics, brush up!
With all due Respect @christian Trump has always had a VETO PEN which he has rarely used, if ever.
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The democrat controlled House controls the Treasury purse strings. that's the basics, brush up!
Signed by a Republican senate and a Republican president...
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The democrat controlled House controls the Treasury purse strings. that's the basics, brush up!
Both the Senate and the President can say "no". My brush is just fine, thank you!
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The democrats get their way aND GOLLY GEE, NO BLAME, EXCEPT REPUBLICANS SHARE THE BLAME. Yet when Republicans get their way, and not hardly in the last FOUR YEARS, you blamers can't find a voice to share blame, with democrats, eh? You really must think people are stupid to not see through that.
:2popcorn:
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The democrats get their way aND GOLLY GEE, NO BLAME, EXCEPT REPUBLICANS SHARE THE BLAME. Yet when Republicans get their way, and not hardly in the last FOUR YEARS, you blamers can't find a voice to share blame, with democrats, eh? You really must think people are stupid to not see through that.
:2popcorn:
When the Republicns had two years to reverse Obama administration policies (some of which hadn't even fully kicked in yet) they FAILED. IF you want something to 'shout' about, try shouting about that.
They failed to seize the moment. In doing so they continued to act as if the Democrats were running the show. Someone would have to be pretty uninformed to not see that.
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When the Republicns had two years to reverse Obama administration policies (some of which hadn't even fully kicked in yet) they FAILED. IF you want something to 'shout' about, try shouting about that.
They failed to seize the moment. In doing so they continued to act as if the Democrats were running the show. Someone would have to be pretty uninformed to not see that.
And not a one of them is going to pay for it. So much for holding their feet to the fire.
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and neither party is serious about passing the stimulus bill before the election because it would benefit the President. How rare democrats don't want wild reckless spending. Well blame Trump anyway,right ?
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and neither party is serious about passing the stimulus bill before the election because it would benefit the President. How rare democrats don't want wild reckless spending. Well blame Trump anyway,right ?
Right. The buck always stops at the top.
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Our socialist democrats want to collapse our economy, just like they did in Germany last century, or more recently Venezuela. President Trump wants sensible spending and therefore sensible taxes, not economy breaking taxes.
Soros Nazi gold wants Nazi Germany II America, namely history repeating itself. Open your eyes, the information is before you, just look. :yowsa: 999yawn :yowsa:
Correct. I agree with you. No one talks about the BILLIONS coming in from China. Or a trillion dollars, that came into Treasury. I can't recall where I read that. All media wants us to know is, what is spent and blame POTUS. Our deficit. I read that is bogus anyway. Can't remember but it ties into FEDERAL RESERVE and China devaluing their money. Maybe someone, totally informed, can explain it in detail. DC PATRIOT? YOU?
The premise is, we don't have a deficit.
P.S. This is as far as I got, pointing-up in reading posts on here. Now, I see others are talking about the deficit too. This is my ESP. lol. I will read them now.
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Right. The buck always stops at the top.
So, you voting for Biden? That is good cause? 4 TRILLION NEW DEAL? you just have POTUS ENVY.
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Our socialist democrats want to collapse our economy, just like they did in Germany last century, or more recently Venezuela. President Trump wants sensible spending and therefore sensible taxes, not economy breaking taxes. Soros Nazi gold wants Nazi Germany II America, namely history repeating itself. Open your eyes, the information is before you, just look.
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So socialist democrats collapsed the economy of Germany in the last century, did they?
What the hell are you talking about?????
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christian:
and neither party is serious about passing the stimulus bill before the election because it would benefit the President. How rare democrats don't want wild reckless spending. Well blame Trump anyway,right ?
romer1:
Right. The buck always stops at the top.
christian:
Really? What bunker of isolation have you been in? slick willy and geo Stephanopolis laughed about all the lies and deceit they got away with when slick was in the oval office. Hitlery made a clean get away running the state dept. Obama well known for having the most corrupt terms in American history. Roamer, where did that buck stop at the top, or does that only apply to Republicans ? ? ?Where you been? Gimme some of the stuff your on.
Absalom:
So socialist democrats collapsed the economy of Germany in the last century, did they?
What the hell are you talking about?????
christian:
The nazis, NATIONAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC PARTY NSDAP AND communists of last centuries Germany forced Kaiser Whilhelm out and took over. The Nazis and Communists rebellions and warring factions brought Germany down with the addition of the Great Depression. It was a free for all for a while. Much like todays lock-steppers are doing in American cities with brownshirt tactics of so long ago.
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So, you voting for Biden? That is good cause?
Of course not. If Tumpy is too liberal for me, what would possibly lead you to believe I would vote for Biden?
4 TRILLION NEW DEAL?
A mere 4T?? A pittance compared to what Republicans have spent under Tumpy in the last 4 years.
you just have POTUS ENVY.
That is called mind-reading - Accusing other members of motives you cannot possibly know.
And I have already answered your shallow accusations. So why continue them other than poo-throwing?
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Really? What bunker of isolation have you been in?
Yes, really. The guy at the top takes the credit and the blame. That is the case in any hierarchical structure.
slick willy and geo Stephanopolis laughed about all the lies and deceit they got away with when slick was in the oval office. Hitlery made a clean get away running the state dept. Obama well known for having the most corrupt terms in American history. Roamer, where did that buck stop at the top, or does that only apply to Republicans ? ? ?Where you been? Gimme some of the stuff your on.
I didn't say it only applies to Republicans... More that you only seem to apply it to Democrats, when Republicans are just as greasy... Look into the Bushes... McCains.... the Romneys.
Glass houses and throwing stones.
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Constantly insisting democrats and Republicans are equal, except when the President is a Republican the blame then shift unequally to be the Presidents blame alone shows outrageous and uneven blaming gaming. Its not a clever getaway with it game, its clear how your game is played, roamer1.
The buck always stops at the top, we already exposed that farce. Democrats rarely are held accountable and many complain about it here and often.
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Constantly insisting democrats and Republicans are equal, except when the President is a Republican the blame then shift unequally to be the Presidents blame alone shows outrageous and uneven blaming gaming. Its not a clever getaway with it game, its clear how your game is played, roamer1.
The buck always stops at the top, we already exposed that farce. Democrats rarely are held accountable and many complain about it here and often.
And why are the Democrats not held accountable? Ever ask that question?
It just might be because there are Republicans in the same schemes who would be exposed.
In all too many instances, the Swamp is a non- or bi-partisan effort. It is independent of Party lines.
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Constantly insisting democrats and Republicans are equal, except when the President is a Republican the blame then shift unequally to be the Presidents blame alone shows outrageous and uneven blaming gaming. Its not a clever getaway with it game, its clear how your game is played, roamer1.
The buck always stops at the top, we already exposed that farce. Democrats rarely are held accountable and many complain about it here and often.
They seriously ARE equal. Republicans, by their promise, should be slashing at the federal behemoth, chopping away whole unconstitutional departments, substantially reducing regulations and costs, putting the fed back in its Constitutional box. That has never happened in my lifetime. Never.
And when costs DOUBLE under a Republican administration, Nearly doubling the costs incurred by the swingingly liberal Obummer administration... Doubling over even ObummerCare... Well how the hell is that justified?
If it were a few hundred billion or trillion more... you might be right... I might just be chewing sour grapes... I might could be convinced of it as a temporary measure. But this is 15 trillion ... sure to go to 20 trillion this year... That's drive us into the ground money.
And y'all try to justify it. There is no justifying it. NO EXCUSE even possible. I cannot vote for that and I will not throw fiscal conservatives under the bus. I made that vow under Reagan's watch and I sure as hell won't break it now, just because the circus is in town.
None of the Democrats wet dreams matter if the Republicans turn us into Venezuela. And they are.
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And why are the Democrats not held accountable? Ever ask that question?
It just might be because there are Republicans in the same schemes who would be exposed.
In all too many instances, the Swamp is a non- or bi-partisan effort. It is independent of Party lines.
That's right. And there is no opposition. Including Tumpy and this clown-car administration... If it were true that he is standing in the breach, the first thing to do is choke the dragon... cut off it's air... Its air is money, and the money is going UP.. I mean SKYROCKETING... Not going down.
Everyone here was moaning under ObummerCare, how we couldn't afford it... How it was going to drive us all into the poorhouse...
Now Republicans are spending near TWICE that, and nobody is even flinching...
Don't even criticize Democrats ever again for their big government spending... Because all y'all are voting for more than they have ever done. Fiscal conservatism is now officially off the table.
But that is what I am here for. That is one aspect of those principles of conservatism that we are all supposed to stand upon. Principles... Truths... Unchanging Truths. First things.
So much for all that. *****rollingeyes*****
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The democrats get their way aND GOLLY GEE, NO BLAME, EXCEPT REPUBLICANS SHARE THE BLAME. Yet when Republicans get their way, and not hardly in the last FOUR YEARS, you blamers can't find a voice to share blame, with democrats, eh? You really must think people are stupid to not see through that.
:2popcorn:
I support you. 888high58888 :seeya: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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When the Republicns had two years to reverse Obama administration policies (some of which hadn't even fully kicked in yet) they FAILED. IF you want something to 'shout' about, try shouting about that.
They failed to seize the moment. In doing so they continued to act as if the Democrats were running the show. Someone would have to be pretty uninformed to not see that.
Sorry, I like 99% of your posts, but going back in time, is not valid for me. I would have to remember EVERYTHING..that went on in that time! LIKE DEMON-RATS saying they will OBSTRUCT and resist everything POTUS try's to do, good for America. Like going on VACATIONS, for a month to Puerto Rico. NOT BEING IN SENATE, HOUSE, to vote on a bill. POTUS sat all my himself, waiting for them to come back to work! Then, POTUS learned about E.O.'S. He was trying, FIRST, to get demon-rats to work with him. An E.O. can be removed by next president, unless it was, AN E.O. BY DEMON-RAT OBAMA. What moment was to be seized? New cabinet, trying to follow our rules & constitution. I DON'T CARE FOR going back in time, when one needs to have all sorts of facts to EXPLAIN why things weren't done, at a time. There WAS A REASON. The above is by memory.
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GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTlP35Nn8ho#)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE4A5lZoaus#)
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christian:
The nazis, NATIONAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC PARTY NSDAP AND communists of last centuries Germany forced Kaiser Whilhelm out and took over. The Nazis and Communists rebellions and warring factions brought Germany down with the addition of the Great Depression. It was a free for all for a while. Much like todays lock-steppers are doing in American cities with brownshirt tactics of so long ago.
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The Kaiser abdicated 48 hours before the Great War Armistice, from pressure
exerted by the Prussians, and went into exile in Holland. Books are in the Library.
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That's right. And there is no opposition. Including Tumpy and this clown-car administration... If it were true that he is standing in the breach, the first thing to do is choke the dragon... cut off it's air... Its air is money, and the money is going UP.. I mean SKYROCKETING... Not going down.
Everyone here was moaning under ObummerCare, how we couldn't afford it... How it was going to drive us all into the poorhouse...
Now Republicans are spending near TWICE that, and nobody is even flinching...
Don't even criticize Democrats ever again for their big government spending... Because all y'all are voting for more than they have ever done. Fiscal conservatism is now officially off the table.
But that is what I am here for. That is one aspect of those principles of conservatism that we are all supposed to stand upon. Principles... Truths... Unchanging Truths. First things.
So much for all that. *****rollingeyes*****
SINCE obama and all demon-rats GUTTED OUR MILITARY and medical supplies and anything else that would help Americans, I have no problem with spending money on military and fixing Obamacare, for THOSE STILL ON IT, till it can be totally removed. Not all 'deficit' is on POTUS TRUMP. He is not taking his $450,000.00 yearly salary. POTUS returned 20% of the money allotted him, to set up his cabinet. POTUS is very thrifty. POTUS is having NATO pay, their delinquent accounts. OBAMA did not do that. CHINA is sending us BILLIONS IN TARIFFS. ONE TRILLION WAS PUT INTO TREASURY. Do I have to remember everything? All you focus on is the "deficit." NOT WHAT IS COMING INTO AMERICAN COFFERS and that it takes time, to turn things around. I am not worried.
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SINCE obama and all demon-rats GUTTED OUR MILITARY and medical supplies and anything else that would help Americans, I have no problem with spending money on military and fixing Obamacare, for THOSE STILL ON IT, till it can be totally removed. Not all 'deficit' is on POTUS TRUMP. He is not taking his $450,000.00 yearly salary. POTUS returned 20% of the money allotted him, to set up his cabinet. POTUS is very thrifty. POTUS is having NATO pay, their delinquent accounts. OBAMA did not do that. CHINA is sending us BILLIONS IN TARIFFS. ONE TRILLION WAS PUT INTO TREASURY. Do I have to remember everything? All you focus on is the "deficit." NOT WHAT IS COMING INTO AMERICAN COFFERS and that it takes time, to turn things around. I am not worried.
Smoke and mirrors. Military and 'fixing' obummercare is a PITTANCE against 15T (soon to be 20T) dollars in four years.
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The Kaiser abdicated 48 hours before the Great War Armistice, from pressure
exerted by the Prussians, and went into exile in Holland. Books are in the Library.
Same difference. You are making some 'point"? HE WAS FORCED OUT. No reason to go to any Library. People don't have every fact memorized in their heads or ALL THE DETAILS. :silly:
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Smoke and mirrors. Military and 'fixing' obummercare is a PITTANCE against 15T (soon to be 20T) dollars in four years.
Yes, you are using smoke & mirrors. Did it ever occur to you, that YOU are not getting all the information about our 'deficit"? That is the only drum you keep hitting. Obama was, who started us down that road. NO BUDGET FOR 8 YEARS. Sending pallets of green cash to IRAN. You are not looking at the total picture. You support BIDEN/KAMALA?
THEIR PLAN IS TO SPEND 4 TRILLION DOLLARS ON THE NEW DEAL, ALONE. NO STEAKS TO EAT. NO AIRPLANE TRAVEL.
I still say TRUMP ENVY. How about you beat up BIDEN/KAMALA? THE COMMUNIST who will take ALL YOUR ASSETS AWAY FROM YOU. I forgot, they want to destroy all our buildings, start from SCRATCH. Time for reality. FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUES AND THREAT TO OUR REPUBLIC. THANK YOU.
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Yes, you are using smoke & mirrors. Did it ever occur to you, that YOU are not getting all the information about our 'deficit"? That is the only drum you keep hitting. Obama was, who started us down that road. NO BUDGET FOR 8 YEARS. Sending pallets of green cash to IRAN. You are not looking at the total picture. You support BIDEN/KAMALA?
THEIR PLAN IS TO SPEND 4 TRILLION DOLLARS ON THE NEW DEAL, ALONE. NO STEAKS TO EAT. NO AIRPLANE TRAVEL.
I still say TRUMP ENVY. How about you beat up BIDEN/KAMALA? THE COMMUNIST who will take ALL YOUR ASSETS AWAY FROM YOU. I forgot, they want to destroy all our buildings, start from SCRATCH. Time for reality. FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUES AND THREAT TO OUR REPUBLIC. THANK YOU.
DEMOCRATS!!! BOO!
And in the mean-time justifying the biggest spending boondoggle in the history of man.
It seems you've got your koolaid by the gallon. Keep on chuggin.
There hasn't been a balanced budget since Clinton, and that only because the 94 Congress was Conservative and forced it on him. But no budget under Bush, even with Republican held houses. and no balanced budget under Tumpy either. Don't be ridiculous throwing dirt in the air about Obama, when your boy is twice as bad.
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DEMOCRATS!!! BOO!
And in the mean-time justifying the biggest spending boondoggle in the history of man.
It seems you've got your koolaid by the gallon. Keep on chuggin.
There hasn't been a balanced budget since Clinton, and that only because the 94 Congress was Conservative and forced it on him. But no budget under Bush, even with Republican held houses. and no balanced budget under Tumpy either. Don't be ridiculous throwing dirt in the air about Obama, when your boy is twice as bad.
You are absolutely correct; there hasn't been a balanced budget since Clinton and Trump IS responsible for the current deficit.
I highly doubt we'll see a balanced budget if Trump is re-elected (too far down that rabbit hole). Nothing that he has done during his administration indicates that he'll even try.
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You are absolutely correct; there hasn't been a balanced budget since Clinton and Trump IS responsible for the current deficit.
I highly doubt we'll see a balanced budget if Trump is re-elected (too far down that rabbit hole). Nothing that he has done during his administration indicates that he'll even try.
Nope. I expect he'll double down.
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Nope. I expect he'll double down.
If the GOP doesn't maintain the Senate, I think you're absolutely correct.
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The Kaiser abdicated 48 hours before the Great War Armistice, from pressure
exerted by the Prussians, and went into exile in Holland. ...
In 1918 the Nazi Party (under its earlier name) was a minor regional rabble-curiosity and Hitler was not a member until the latter half of 1919.
Losing condescending snarks like the one I edited out might be wise.
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Cool pic of (I think) B-25s. Vintage pic? Photoshopped? I don't think there are that many airworthy B-25s these days (wouldn't mind being wrong).
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If the GOP doesn't maintain the Senate, I think you're absolutely correct.
I think I am correct regardless... The senate has never had an inclination toward turning off, or even turning down the spigot... Until a month before the election, that is. And that is no 'come to Jesus' moment... Just making sure the voters think they are being thrifty... I fully expect them to knock the chocks out again in early november.
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I'm sure it's shopped @PeteS in CA it's attributed to this book.
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Same difference. You are making some 'point"? HE WAS FORCED OUT. No reason to go to any Library. People don't have every fact memorized in their heads or ALL THE DETAILS. :silly:
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The original point argued was that socialists destroyed the German economy during the last century, which is utter nonsense!
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Trashing Republicans and Trump, with full exoneration of democrats, by a FAIR AND EQUAL TREATMENT OF TRASHING ONE SIDE AND BLANKET EXONERATING THE DEMOCRATS.
whitehouse pushing for stimulus...48hrs
roamer1{ It grieves me to understand the Conservative Coalition is dead and gone.
Bread and circuses.
Christian:
So fair, equal treatment of both sides, eh ?
McConnell reveals 500 billion co-vid
roamer1;
DEMOCRATS!!! BOO!
And in the mean-time justifying the biggest spending boondoggle in the history of man.
It seems you've got your koolaid by the gallon. Keep on chuggin.
There hasn't been a balanced budget since Clinton, and that only because the 94 Congress was Conservative and forced it on him. But no budget under Bush, even with Republican held houses. and no balanced budget under Tumpy either. Don't be ridiculous throwing dirt in the air about Obama, when your boy is twice as bad.
(christian:
Wow, Obama good, Trump bad. Talk about your equal and fair treatment and from such a Conservative?)
roamer1:
Smoke and mirrors. Military and 'fixing' obummercare is a PITTANCE against 15T (soon to be 20T) dollars in four years.
(christian:
Wow, Talk about your equal and fair treatment and from such a Conservative?)
Members only area, Authoritarians/Trump
roamer1:
I won't be voting for any Republicans this year but one... The only one not guilty of signing those spending bills. I have not yet completed my research into him, so I won't say he has won my endorsement... but the rest are a non-starter right off the bat. There are particularly two marijuana referendums that I am driven to vote against... so yeah, I will be voting... Just not for your boy.
And all I have ever done here is stand upon Conservatism, just like I always have. I would have thought that a no-brainer in a conservative forum. Obviously not. Timeless Truth is obviously less important that getting Trumpy's fat ass past the finish line.
(christian:
Wow, Democrats good, Trump Republicans bad. Talk about your equal and fair treatment and from such a Conservative?)
Politics McConnell details 500 billion OO_VID
roamer1:
That's right. And there is no opposition. Including Tumpy and this clown-car administration... If it were true that he is standing in the breach, the first thing to do is choke the dragon... cut off it's air... Its air is money, and the money is going UP.. I mean SKYROCKETING... Not going down.
Everyone here was moaning under ObummerCare, how we couldn't afford it... How it was going to drive us all into the poorhouse...
Now Republicans are spending near TWICE that, and nobody is even flinching...
Don't even criticize Democrats ever again for their big government spending... Because all y'all are voting for more than they have ever done. Fiscal conservatism is now officially off the table.
But that is what I am here for. That is one aspect of those principles of conservatism that we are all supposed to stand upon. Principles... Truths... Unchanging Truths. First things
None of the Democrats wet dreams matter if the Republicans turn us into Venezuela. And they are.
(christian:
Wow, Obama good, Trump/democrats bad. Talk about your equal and fair treatment and from such a Conservative?) aND SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT, DON'T BLAME SOCIALIST OR DEMOCRATS, or anarchy in Venezuela BLAME TRUMP/Republicans
With friends like you, who needs enemies. Wolf in sheep's clothing, and not about to admit it Pages more can easily be obtsained of yu Republican bashing, democrat justifying/exonerating. Want more ?
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POTUS SAVED US 770 BILLION! Just one event.
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Trashing Republicans and Trump, with full exoneration of democrats, by a FAIR AND EQUAL TREATMENT OF TRASHING ONE SIDE AND BLANKET EXONERATING THE DEMOCRATS.
whitehouse pushing for stimulus...48hrs
Christian:
So fair, equal treatment of both sides, eh ?
McConnell reveals 500 billion co-vid
(christian:
Wow, Obama good, Trump bad. Talk about your equal and fair treatment and from such a Conservative?)
(christian:
Wow, Talk about your equal and fair treatment and from such a Conservative?)
Members only area, Authoritarians/Trump
(christian:
Wow, Democrats good, Trump Republicans bad. Talk about your equal and fair treatment and from such a Conservative?)
Politics McConnell details 500 billion OO_VID
(christian:
Wow, Obama good, Trump/democrats bad. Talk about your equal and fair treatment and from such a Conservative?) aND SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT, DON'T BLAME SOCIALIST OR DEMOCRATS, or anarchy in Venezuela BLAME TRUMP/Republicans
With friends like you, who needs enemies. Wolf in sheep's clothing, and not about to admit it Pages more can easily be obtsained of yu Republican bashing, democrat justifying/exonerating. Want more ?
I have never exonerated a Democrat. I have never said Obummer is good. I have never justified a damn thing coming from the left. I expect the left to be LEFT.
I don't expect it of the right. Like I said, I don't give a crap about the left. The problem is that the right is nor acting as the right. They are offering *no* opposition... And there is no consequence for it. None whatsoever.
And I am not your friend. And I care not a whit if you think me an enemy - Your shallow accusations mean nothing. ALL I care about, and all I am here to defend, are the Principles of Conservatism. Principles that are otherwise not being defended in the least.
So don't expect me to join the fetid rah rah Republican thing, nor this insipid administration. What they need is a good ass-whoopin, not praises... And certainly not endorsement.
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PUBLISHED: 1:20 PM 7 OCT 2020 UPDATED: 5:25 PM 7 OCT 2020
Stocks Roar After Trump Offers To Sign “Stand Alone†Stimulus For Americans Only
Democrats are furious because they want these trillions for their failing state governments and are using the American people as hostages.
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Sorry, I like 99% of your posts, but going back in time, is not valid for me. I would have to remember EVERYTHING..that went on in that time! LIKE DEMON-RATS saying they will OBSTRUCT and resist everything POTUS try's to do, good for America. Like going on VACATIONS, for a month to Puerto Rico. NOT BEING IN SENATE, HOUSE, to vote on a bill. POTUS sat all my himself, waiting for them to come back to work! Then, POTUS learned about E.O.'S. He was trying, FIRST, to get demon-rats to work with him. An E.O. can be removed by next president, unless it was, AN E.O. BY DEMON-RAT OBAMA. What moment was to be seized? New cabinet, trying to follow our rules & constitution. I DON'T CARE FOR going back in time, when one needs to have all sorts of facts to EXPLAIN why things weren't done, at a time. There WAS A REASON. The above is by memory.
I'm not putting it on POTUS so much, lots of OJT there. But Congress mostly wasn't new to the job, and should have been ready to go, rolling back Democrat crap like Democrats are when they get a chance to steamroll out Liberty. They have the Bills written and on the shelf, multiple versions, just waiting for opportunity. I definitely did not get that from the GOP, which seemed totally unprepared for the opportunity they got with control of both houses.
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Cool pic of (I think) B-25s. Vintage pic? Photoshopped? I don't think there are that many airworthy B-25s these days (wouldn't mind being wrong).
Yep, B-25s and I'd say vintage, because it's hard to find that many guys who will fly a prop plane through flak...
About 100 survive, some 45 flyable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_North_American_B-25_Mitchells (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_North_American_B-25_Mitchells)
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Cool pic of (I think) B-25s. Vintage pic? Photoshopped? I don't think there are that many airworthy B-25s these days (wouldn't mind being wrong).
Found the planes. https://www.aerovintage.com/catchb25.htm#N1042B (https://www.aerovintage.com/catchb25.htm#N1042B)
Used in the filming of Catch-22. The planes are/were real, the flak likely a special effect.
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roamer1:
I have never exonerated a Democrat. I have never said Obummer is good. I have never justified a damn thing coming from the left. I expect the left to be LEFT.
As you constantly vilify the Right and by absence being critical of democrats ,except when sharing blame games. You don't have to be a cheerleader of democrats to justify and make them look good, while making Conservative/Republicans look bad. The generous examples shown shows just that and there are plenty more of your examples that can yet be brought up. Just because you can wear a sheep's skin, doesn't keep you from being a covert wolf, democrat. I've seen this before, elsewhere, just not quite so blatantly.
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With all due Respect @christian You're barking up the wrong tree. From experience gathered through my time here I can vouch that @roamer_1 doesn't have a liberal bone in his body. His apparent only transgression here is that he doesn't like the GOP, which he spent years advancing their cause, and it's titular head~Tumpy. That bothers only them that strive for TBR to become another echo chamber on the net.
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As you constantly vilify the Right and by absence being critical of democrats ,except when sharing blame games.
That's because I don't give a crap what Democrat do. I know what they are. What matters is real opposition to them. That means adherence to standards and accountability... THAT is my job. And it ought to be yours too.
You don't have to be a cheerleader of democrats to justify and make them look good, while making Conservative/Republicans look bad.
No, Republicans are making Republicans look bad. I am just pointing it out as cause for accountability and why I will withhold my endorsement. Because that is the only personal means of accountability there is. You want me to shut up? Make em fly right, and I will. I sure as hell ain't going to let folks sweep that under the rug.
The generous examples shown shows just that and there are plenty more of your examples that can yet be brought up.
So what? They piss me off. They are not doing their damn job. Including this administration. And until they ARE doing their damn job, I will keep bitching and reminding all y'all what Conservatism says, and defend that. That is why I am here. Not for psychophantic loyalties to those who don't deserve it. Loyalty is EARNED.
Just because you can wear a sheep's skin, doesn't keep you from being a covert wolf, democrat. I've seen this before, elsewhere, just not quite so blatantly.
Again with making it personal. Again with unfounded accusations against my person. I have fifteen years or better on record, and thousands upon thousands of posts here and on FR... All I have ever done is defend Conservatism. And that is what I am doing now. Right by the numbers.
So play your little paranoid game. Bring it. I will stand on my record wrt the principles of Conservatism... Way better arguments than your inane rantings have not succeeded. Because I have stood exactly where I am the whole time, and always will.
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With all due Respect @christian You're barking up the wrong tree. From experience gathered through my time here I can vouch that @roamer_1 doesn't have a liberal bone in his body. His apparent only transgression here is that he doesn't like the GOP, which he spent years advancing their cause, and it's titular head~Tumpy. That bothers only them that strive for TBR to become another echo chamber on the net.
Thanks for that @corbe ... Your check is in the mail, as soon as it clears the DNC :silly: :tongue2:
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Not the first and it wont be the last time I'm accused of being a 'brown noser'. :beer:
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With all due Respect @christian You're barking up the wrong tree. From experience gathered through my time here I can vouch that @roamer_1 doesn't have a liberal bone in his body. His apparent only transgression here is that he doesn't like the GOP, which he spent years advancing their cause, and it's titular head~Tumpy. That bothers only them that strive for TBR to become another echo chamber on the net.
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Corbe, you are already familiar w/the subject, yet permit a reflection.
Those who endlessly prattle on about 'politics' confirm their obliviousness.
The GOP was a northern Merchant Class anti-slavery party; evolving,
post Civil War into the errand boys for the Industrial Class.
During their 75 year ascendancy, from Johnson to Hoover, they were the party of:
* strong centralized government, adamantly opposing States Rights,
* aggressive trade protectionism, promoting excises/tariffs and rejecting free trade,
* strong supporters of judicial activism who nominated and confirmed virtually the
entire Federal Judiciary during their political ascendancy.
The cliché' that the GOP was and remains a conservative party is eons beyond
embarrassing; as they never had anything to do w/conservative principle;
NOT FOR A DAY, as their executive, legislative and judicial history affirms.
Our only Principled Conservative Party was the Southern Agrarian Rural Democrats
of Founders Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and many others; unfortunately tarred
by slavery and destroyed by the Civil War.
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When did attacking the President and the Republican party, while giving the democrats a pass on criticism become a standard of Conservatism? (It is just what it looks like, deceit, and false projection. :smokin:
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When did attacking the President and the Republican party, while giving the democrats a pass on criticism become a standard of Conservatism? (It is just what it looks like, deceit, and false projection. :smokin:
Just like we have RINO'S in congress, who think they are republicans. A form of self delusion.
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When did attacking the President and the Republican party, while giving the democrats a pass on criticism become a standard of Conservatism? (It is just what it looks like, deceit, and false projection. :smokin:
Who is giving ANY of them a pass?
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Just like we have RINO'S in congress, who think they are republicans. A form of self delusion.
I don't think I'm Republican. I wouldn't be a Republican again if you paid me (SPIT)
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I don't think I'm Republican. I wouldn't be a Republican again if you paid me (SPIT)
Unfortunately, the GOP has been sliding to the Left since Goldwater, and that's just since I have been paying attention. I haven't gone anywhere, but the Party has left me, right where I have always been.
Historically, they are the Party who fostered the invasion of my State of Origin by foreign powers, who suspended the Federal Constitution in that State, who impounded the legislature, militarily occupied a sovereign state with which there was officially no conflict against the will of significant numbers of its citizens, and refused to end that military occupation until the puppet legislature altered the Constitution of the State.
The current iteration of the Party claims anti-Marxism and adherence to original intent, then claims to 'save' Social Security, by spending money we don't have, borrowed from a banking cartel, just for starters.
The current Democrat Party has embraced Marxism more fully, and does not even come into consideration.
But I'm with you, the whole shootin' match is far too far to the Left for my tastes.
We have a fantastic Constitution, the framework for a tremendous Republic, crafted by a rare assemblage of brilliant and inspired men the likes of whom seldom occur in history, and the document as well as the concepts therein languish in an archive, referenced mainly to indicate how the other party ignores them even more.
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Unfortunately, the GOP has been sliding to the Left since Goldwater, and that's just since I have been paying attention. I haven't gone anywhere, but the Party has left me, right where I have always been.
Agreed, and same here.
Historically, they are the Party who fostered the invasion of my State of Origin by foreign powers, who suspended the Federal Constitution in that State, who impounded the legislature, militarily occupied a sovereign state with which there was officially no conflict against the will of significant numbers of its citizens, and refused to end that military occupation until the puppet legislature altered the Constitution of the State.
And it ain't quit yet - The last Republican President consolidated LEOs and intelligence agencies adjunct to, and with an interface to military brass and power... Homeland Security is certain to become a draconian tool with incredible reach. And I am supposed to vote FOR things like that? Oh hell no.
The current iteration of the Party claims anti-Marxism and adherence to original intent, then claims to 'save' Social Security, by spending money we don't have, borrowed from a banking cartel, just for starters.
There ain't NOTHING conservative in the Republican party... And that which was, the Goldwater wing, has been subsumed... And will not rise again. Heck, most folks think of the Republican party as a monolithic thing, and don't even know what the wings within it actually stand for... What their motives are. But then, current Republican voter indoctrination has them pulling for big.gov no matter what... How the heck will the conservative wing rise against that? I am a Tea Partier, sure enough... I put big time and money into that... And if the current administration and party were true to that, I would not be howling... But they... THEY crushed the TEA party effort, not Democrats.
So they can go piss up a rope.
The current Democrat Party has embraced Marxism more fully, and does not even come into consideration.
But I'm with you, the whole shootin' match is far too far to the Left for my tastes.
Way, WAY too far left. I have never endorsed Democrats, and I despise liberals... But the Republicans have no opposition to that. Hell it's getting to where you can't tell the difference.
We have a fantastic Constitution, the framework for a tremendous Republic, crafted by a rare assemblage of brilliant and inspired men the likes of whom seldom occur in history, and the document as well as the concepts therein languish in an archive, referenced mainly to indicate how the other party ignores them even more.
That's right. Folks had better mind their own house... Because they are stealing us blind, our money and our liberty... But they're better than the Democrats... Right? *****rollingeyes*****
Big.gov is now just a matter of fact. Neither party will stop it. The fight now is over who does it better. And it is a damn cryin shame. I will not lend that aid. It is no better than the other. In fact, to me it is worse because of the betrayal.
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[quote author=Smokin Joe.
Unfortunately, the GOP has been sliding to the Left since Goldwater, and that's just since I have been paying attention. I haven't gone anywhere, but the Party has left me, right where I have always been.
Historically, they are the Party who fostered the invasion of my State of Origin by foreign powers, who suspended the Federal Constitution in that State, who impounded the legislature, militarily occupied a sovereign state with which there was officially no conflict against the will of significant numbers of its citizens, and refused to end that military occupation until the puppet legislature altered the Constitution of the State.
The current iteration of the Party claims anti-Marxism and adherence to original intent, then claims to 'save' Social Security, by spending money we don't have, borrowed from a banking cartel, just for starters.
The current Democrat Party has embraced Marxism more fully, and does not even come into consideration. But I'm with you, the whole shootin' match is far too far to the Left for my tastes.
We have a fantastic Constitution, the framework for a tremendous Republic, crafted by a rare assemblage of brilliant and inspired men the likes of whom seldom occur in history, and the document as well as the concepts therein languish in an archive, referenced mainly to indicate how the other party ignores them even more.
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Smokin, respectfully.
The GOP has been progressive since their first candidate, Fremont, in 1856.
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[quote author=Smokin Joe.
Unfortunately, the GOP has been sliding to the Left since Goldwater, and that's just since I have been paying attention. I haven't gone anywhere, but the Party has left me, right where I have always been.
Historically, they are the Party who fostered the invasion of my State of Origin by foreign powers, who suspended the Federal Constitution in that State, who impounded the legislature, militarily occupied a sovereign state with which there was officially no conflict against the will of significant numbers of its citizens, and refused to end that military occupation until the puppet legislature altered the Constitution of the State.
The current iteration of the Party claims anti-Marxism and adherence to original intent, then claims to 'save' Social Security, by spending money we don't have, borrowed from a banking cartel, just for starters.
The current Democrat Party has embraced Marxism more fully, and does not even come into consideration. But I'm with you, the whole shootin' match is far too far to the Left for my tastes.
We have a fantastic Constitution, the framework for a tremendous Republic, crafted by a rare assemblage of brilliant and inspired men the likes of whom seldom occur in history, and the document as well as the concepts therein languish in an archive, referenced mainly to indicate how the other party ignores them even more.
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Smokin, respectfully.
The GOP has been progressive since their first candidate, Fremont, in 1856.
In the 1860 election the GOP candidate got 4 votes in the County I grew up in, where my family has roots to the 1600s. Those folks were asked to leave. Within a couple of years the entire State was occupied by a hostile army, even though it never seceded. By 1865, the Constitutional (Federal) Republic had, by conquest, been deemed a nation with a strong central government and nearly half the States conquered remnants.
Now, being that the group who wrote the history books tampered in the minds of those educated under the victors with everything from the casus beli to sanitizing their own actions in the effort to justify what some refuse to forget, much of that has been lost to time.
Unfortunately, so has the meaning of the Parties which opposed, the Southern Democratic and the Constitutional Union Parties, whose candidates (Breckinridge and Bell) got 91.7% of the vote. The GOP (Lincoln) only got 2,294 votes statewide, a mere 2.48%
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and the end of the story is by by some how not criticizing democrats and constantly attacking Republicans we have some how arrived at the leftist definition of 'fair'. Trashing Republicans and ignoring democrats far worse egregious behaviors/actions will only majically affect the election that is almost here. and some how it won't help the democrats one bit, but if it does help them it doesn't really matter? People on the Coulter site saw through that baloney in a very short time. The old dodge isn't working on me at all! Here's a toughie, guess why?
The COVID epidemic is a Chinese invention the Democrats have been glad to manipulate to full political advantage. They are a team working against America and Trump. The Chinese have even offered new diseases to Start when Co-ved peters out.
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and the end of the story is by by some how not criticizing democrats and constantly attacking Republicans we have some how arrived at the leftist definition of 'fair'. Trashing Republicans and ignoring democrats far worse egregious behaviors/actions will only majically affect the election that is almost here. and some how it won't help the democrats one bit, but if it does help them it doesn't really matter? People on the Coulter site saw through that baloney in a very short time. The old dodge isn't working on me at all! Here's a toughie, guess why?
The COVID epidemic is a Chinese invention the Democrats have been glad to manipulate to full political advantage. They are a team working against America and Trump. The Chinese have even offered new diseases to Start when Co-ved peters out.
I guess the problem is that all things are now relative in the Republican mind. When fixed principle was the standard, well, the current GOP falls short.
That the Democrats are so far away from those standards as to not be considered is irrelevant.
It's what those "on our side" are doing that should concern us all. We are not the Democrats.
Some of us find the GOP too far off the mark (to the left) for our tastes.
If the eventual goal is the return to a Constitutional Federal Republic, then we're going to remind you of that endpoint. Without a long term strategic plan, we'll never get there, and staying to the right of the ever lefting left is not a winning strategy. All they have to do to get what they want is to keep shifting left and the GOP will be there sooner or later.
Stop compromising, shift right, and make them compromise.
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When the Republicns had two years to reverse Obama administration policies (some of which hadn't even fully kicked in yet) they FAILED. IF you want something to 'shout' about, try shouting about that.
They failed to seize the moment. In doing so they continued to act as if the Democrats were running the show. Someone would have to be pretty uninformed to not see that.
That is on Paul Ryan, an enemy within. He's now on the board of Fox News, and people wonder why it has gone so far Left.
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That is on Paul Ryan, an enemy within. He's now on the board of Fox News, and people wonder why it has gone so far Left.
LOL! Nah. Ryan was just the designated bagholder... Thus his golden parachute.