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Title: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 04:04:09 pm
Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement when Gov. Greg Gianforte (R) signed House Bill 102 on Thursday.

by AWR Hawkins 2021-02-22

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/18/montana-18th-state-abolish-concealed-carry-permit/

The NRA-ILA reported that Gianforte signed HB102, which means Montanans can “carry a firearm for self-defense throughout the state without a government-mandated permit.”

Breitbart News reported that HB102 also removes a number of state government-mandated “gun-free zones” throughout the state.

On February 12, 2021, Breitbart News noted that Utah became the 17th state to abolish its concealed carry permit requirement.

Montana is now the 18th.


AND


Montana House passes bill to permit campus concealed carry
By IRIS SAMUELS January 15, 2021

https://apnews.com/11fae82ce5bbbbba63f3d5b37d0007a3

HELENA, Mont. (AP) — A bill that would expand the list of places in Montana where people can carry concealed firearms with and without permits passed Thursday in the Republican-controlled House, less than two weeks after the Legislature started its session.

Under existing law, concealed firearms are only allowed without permits in Montana outside of city limits. The bill would allow them to be carried without permits, including in the Montana Capitol, state and local government buildings and on public university campuses.



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Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 04:05:30 pm
That, ladies and gentlemen is REAL and LASTING CHANGE!

Keep this up and I might start voting Republican!
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Wingnut on February 22, 2021, 04:07:02 pm
That, ladies and gentlemen is REAL and LASTING CHANGE!

Keep this up and I might start voting Republican!

Unless Trump is involved!  LOL.

 :smokin: :smokin:
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 04:10:29 pm
Unless Trump is involved!  LOL.

 :smokin: :smokin:

Nah... If he'd have supplied lasting Conservative change I would have voted for him.

And BTW, I am eating my hat here anyway. I specifically did not want Gov. Gianforte, and did NOT vote for him. I am very pleasantly surprised... And if he keeps this up, he will have my vote, no doubt!
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Bigun on February 22, 2021, 04:12:22 pm
That, ladies and gentlemen is REAL and LASTING CHANGE!

Keep this up and I might start voting Republican!

 :yowsa: I hope Texas will drop its permit requirement this year as well.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: XenaLee on February 22, 2021, 04:17:56 pm
:yowsa: I hope Texas will drop its permit requirement this year as well.

Nice dream, but if that was going to happen, it would have happened during Trump's presidency.  One has to wonder why it didn't happen.  Is Texas, perhaps, already more blue than we knew?  Biden's amnesty will effectively turn Texas officially blue.  And it goes further downhill from there...
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: sneakypete on February 22, 2021, 04:19:10 pm
A tip of the beret to Montana!
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 22, 2021, 05:03:41 pm
Nah... If he'd have supplied lasting Conservative change I would have voted for him.

And BTW, I am eating my hat here anyway. I specifically did not want Gov. Gianforte, and did NOT vote for him. I am very pleasantly surprised... And if he keeps this up, he will have my vote, no doubt!

Ahem!  "Trump did not supply lasting change?"  Wouldn't that have required the RINOs in the Legislative Branch to pass actual bills?  I don't think it's 100% fair to blame that lack of action on the President.  Yes, he had the "bully pulpit," but that will only get you so far.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: XenaLee on February 22, 2021, 05:06:57 pm
Ahem!  "Trump did not supply lasting change?"  Wouldn't that have required the RINOs in the Legislative Branch to pass actual bills?  I don't think it's 100% fair to blame that lack of action on the President.  Yes, he had the "bully pulpit," but that will only get you so far.

Which is exactly why so many on the right are so ticked off at the GOP (still and) again.   It's an ever-repeating pattern of stupidity.   Deliberate stupidity.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Bigun on February 22, 2021, 05:09:35 pm
Ahem!  "Trump did not supply lasting change?"  Wouldn't that have required the RINOs in the Legislative Branch to pass actual bills?  I don't think it's 100% fair to blame that lack of action on the President.  Yes, he had the "bully pulpit," but that will only get you so far.

IMHO, and to my great surprise, president Trump did ALL that he could without the aid of the legislature. 

The headwinds he faced are still not firmly grasped by a great many. Mainly because the media refuses to do any actual reporting.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 05:09:44 pm
Ahem!  "Trump did not supply lasting change?"  Wouldn't that have required the RINOs in the Legislative Branch to pass actual bills?  I don't think it's 100% fair to blame that lack of action on the President.  Yes, he had the "bully pulpit," but that will only get you so far.

I do not blame Tumpy 100%, nor have I ever... Remember that I am fond of the saying, 'Throw the bastards out!'

But neither am I willing to hold Tumpy unaccountable. No free passes. Even Cruz. *NO* passes.

And if Tumpy holds blame above the rest, it is because the buck stops at the top.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 22, 2021, 05:17:14 pm
I do not blame Tumpy 100%, nor have I ever... Remember that I am fond of the saying, 'Throw the bastards out!'

But neither am I willing to hold Tumpy unaccountable. No free passes. Even Cruz. *NO* passes.

And if Tumpy holds blame above the rest, it is because the buck stops at the top.

OK, I'll modify that a bit:  It's not at all fair to Blame Trump for not getting lasting change, and to suggest he's to blame for that is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution.  "The President proposes, the Congress disposes." 

If anything, the EOs were what was wrong about this.  Ruling by Decree is never good, whomever does it.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 05:32:04 pm
OK, I'll modify that a bit:  It's not at all fair to Blame Trump for not getting lasting change, and to suggest he's to blame for that is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution.  "The President proposes, the Congress disposes." 

If anything, the EOs were what was wrong about this.  Ruling by Decree is never good, whomever does it.

The HELL it ain't fair. THAT'S HIS JOB. And that's his brag - the best deal-maker. It is his JOB to cobble a coalition together to push forward an agenda. And he DID that. It just was not a Conservative agenda.

Conservative candy by EO, a vapor and nothing more, And a plethora of liberal laws, hand in hand and right in bed with the MurderTurtle. Before you criticize my position, you had best go look at what we get to KEEP. What he signed into law. And there just ain't no different way to look at it.

Facts don't care about feelings.


Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: sneakypete on February 22, 2021, 05:36:17 pm
Quote from: xlink=topic=429544.msg2385365#msg2385365 date=1614013617
Which is exactly why so many on the right are so ticked off at the GOP (still and) again.   It's an ever-repeating pattern of stupidity.   Deliberate stupidity.

@XenaLee

You misspelled the word "Deceit" twice.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 22, 2021, 06:33:37 pm
Facts don't care about feelings.

Neither does the US Constitution.  A President is not a King.  :shrug:
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 06:59:46 pm
Neither does the US Constitution.  A President is not a King.  :shrug:

Funny. Because I was saying that all the way along.

Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 22, 2021, 07:10:29 pm
Funny. Because I was saying that all the way along.

It confuses me, because you blame "Tumpy" for Congressional failure to act.  Those two things don't go together very well.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 07:23:34 pm
It confuses me, because you blame "Tumpy" for Congressional failure to act.  Those two things don't go together very well.

No. I blame BOTH.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 22, 2021, 08:48:21 pm
No. I blame BOTH.

Ok, then please explain how it's Tump's fault the Republican House and Senate failed to pass laws?
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 09:12:14 pm
Ok, then please explain how it's Tump's fault the Republican House and Senate failed to pass laws?

Beyond his guarantee that he would be able to join the disparate factions together (which is his job), and instead promoting backbiting and division, it wasn't his fault. Like I said I hold neither blameless.



Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 22, 2021, 09:38:30 pm
Beyond his guarantee that he would be able to join the disparate factions together (which is his job), and instead promoting backbiting and division, it wasn't his fault. Like I said I hold neither blameless.

Then his fault lies in a fail to deliver because of others.  Sounds like any manager's lament in a political context.  Ok, if that's the argument you want to make.  Savaging him as "Tumpy" because of Congressional RINOs seems a bit out of proportion while ignoring the Constitution specifies a President is not a King. You say all are to blame, so how many others do you mock their names (other than Slo Joe Biteme)?

Don't be surprised if few would agree.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 22, 2021, 10:31:05 pm
Then his fault lies in a fail to deliver because of others.  Sounds like any manager's lament in a political context.  Ok, if that's the argument you want to make.  Savaging him as "Tumpy" because of Congressional RINOs seems a bit out of proportion while ignoring the Constitution specifies a President is not a King. You say all are to blame, so how many others do you mock their names (other than Slo Joe Biteme)?

Don't be surprised if few would agree.

Yeah, few of Dubya's defenders agreed either. And many of them defend him to this day.
I have never found solace in being among the 'in' crowd.
My solace is in principles... Which go wholly undefended otherwise.

And I think it truly funny that you think I am 'savaging' him by calling him Tumpy.

In the end, nothing got done. Nothing was won. And it cost twenty trillion dollars.
And Tumpy was right in the thick of it.
He owns it.

Call me up when you care to support fiscal conservatism and libertarianism. Because actually supporting sh*t is more important than throwing poo at democrats, which is the bloody entirety of the Tumpist movement.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 22, 2021, 10:35:39 pm
I cut no slack, but if you want to hang it all on a Boogie man, it's a sort of free country.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 22, 2021, 11:00:26 pm
To the Topic, I'm pleased as punch about Montana!  I though Constitutional Carry was already the law there.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 23, 2021, 12:06:52 am
I cut no slack, but if you want to hang it all on a Boogie man, it's a sort of free country.

ME hanging on to a boogie man? LOL! It ain't me doing that. The 'boogie man' around here is an amorphous thing that can't be seen called a 'deep state', a thing of bedtime ghost stories... The things that scare me are factual and I have pointed them out over and over, foremost the re-election of ANYONE who participated in the 20 trillion dollar boondoggle that put my grandchildren into bondage.

And that is sure as hell worth pointing out. And it boggles the mind that everyone here ain't on that same page if no other. If there should be NO slack-cutting, that would be where.

Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 23, 2021, 12:12:49 am
To the Topic, I'm pleased as punch about Montana!  I though Constitutional Carry was already the law there.

No, we have been open-carry forever, but a permit needed for concealed... Though in my experience, 'concealed was never enforced, Having been stopped by LEOs on more than one occasion with concealed weapons... Being friendly, I warned the LEO of the circumstance, and always, I was allowed to disarm, or assumed the position, and was disarmed - my weapons always returned at the end of the session...

But it is NICE to see it in black and white, and this is the kind of thing I would call a REAL win.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 23, 2021, 12:14:26 am
ME hanging on to a boogie man? LOL! It ain't me doing that. The 'boogie man' around here is an amorphous thing that can't be seen called a 'deep state', a thing of bedtime ghost stories... The things that scare me are factual and I have pointed them out over and over, foremost the re-election of ANYONE who participated in the 20 trillion dollar boondoggle that put my grandchildren into bondage.

And that is sure as hell worth pointing out. And it boggles the mind that everyone here ain't on that same page if no other. If there should be NO slack-cutting, that would be where.

This is TBR. Nobody ever agrees in lockstep.  :shrug:
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2021, 02:56:26 am
@XenaLee

You misspelled the word "Deceit" twice.
Correct!

Calling the GOP the "Stupid Party" requires assuming the GOP actually:

Wanted to win.
Wanted to effect change toward restoring our Constitutional Republic.
and....

Was not filthy corrupt at its core.

One thing I will give Trump credit for, and that's pulling the wool from eyes that wanted to see, that wanted to understand the ONLY reason for Republican ineffectiveness over the DECADES since Johnson was inaugurated instead of Goldwater, and I'd wager a big part of that was the perfidy in the GOP, too.

Now, people, get over your normalcy bias, quit fooling yourselves, stop being suckers for election week promises, and realize, the GOP is not on our side, either, even if a select few members are.

Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2021, 02:58:06 am
No, we have been open-carry forever, but a permit needed for concealed... Though in my experience, 'concealed was never enforced, Having been stopped by LEOs on more than one occasion with concealed weapons... Being friendly, I warned the LEO of the circumstance, and always, I was allowed to disarm, or assumed the position, and was disarmed - my weapons always returned at the end of the session...

But it is NICE to see it in black and white, and this is the kind of thing I would call a REAL win.
Nice of y'all to join North Dakota and a bunch of other States, and I even like the lessened restrictions on where carry is okay.  Now, make sure people remember that this isn't the Government giving them a Right, it is just the partial restoration of one in practice.
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2021, 05:12:12 am
Sigh.

Why does this never happen in a warm state?
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 23, 2021, 06:01:57 am
Nice of y'all to join North Dakota and a bunch of other States, and I even like the lessened restrictions on where carry is okay.  Now, make sure people remember that this isn't the Government giving them a Right, it is just the partial restoration of one in practice.

I know right?  :beer:
Title: Re: [w00t! w00t!] Montana became the 18th state to end its concealed carry permit requirement...
Post by: roamer_1 on February 23, 2021, 06:03:35 am
Correct!

Calling the GOP the "Stupid Party" requires assuming the GOP actually:

Wanted to win.
Wanted to effect change toward restoring our Constitutional Republic.
and....

Was not filthy corrupt at its core.

One thing I will give Trump credit for, and that's pulling the wool from eyes that wanted to see, that wanted to understand the ONLY reason for Republican ineffectiveness over the DECADES since Johnson was inaugurated instead of Goldwater, and I'd wager a big part of that was the perfidy in the GOP, too.

Now, people, get over your normalcy bias, quit fooling yourselves, stop being suckers for election week promises, and realize, the GOP is not on our side, either, even if a select few members are.

 pointing-up :yowsa:

The problem is that there is no opposition.
there is no opposition.
there is no opposition.