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Title: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines Flig
Post by: mountaineer on February 20, 2021, 09:51:41 pm
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BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines Flight
By IMN - Breaking 911 (https://breaking911.com/breaking-plane-debris-falls-from-sky-in-broomfield-colorado/)
February 20, 2021

Debris from a plane fell from the sky on Saturday afternoon in Broomfield, Colorado according to local law enforcement. The debris was dropped on several neighborhoods.

The Broomfield Police Department said it received reports of a plane with “engine trouble” at around 3:08 p.m. ET.

CNN reports a United Airlines flight headed to Honolulu from Denver International Airport had to turn around due to an engine issue.

The FAA says the right engine failed shortly after takeoff. Witnesses on the ground reported hearing an explosion. ...
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Stephen L. Miller   @redsteeze
Joe Biden had been president for barely a month and planes are falling apart in mid air.
4:46 PM · Feb 20, 2021·
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: mountaineer on February 20, 2021, 09:54:04 pm
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Broomfield Police  @BroomfieldPD
Additional debris scattered across turf field at Commons Park. Please avoid the area if possible.
4:31 PM · Feb 20, 2021·

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https://twitter.com/BroomfieldPD/status/1363239786085982209
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 20, 2021, 09:58:37 pm
It was maintained during the previous Administration.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: MeshugeMikey on February 20, 2021, 10:06:35 pm
Passenger jet lands safely...... after suspected engine explosion rains debris on Denver neighbourhoods


now that might be a Miracle
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: mountaineer on February 20, 2021, 10:38:02 pm
michaela   
@michaelagiulia
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Flight 328 @united engine caught fire. my parents are on this flight
 everyone’s okay though!
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5:16 PM · Feb 20, 2021

Incredible video at https://twitter.com/michaelagiulia/status/1363241125495136267
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Wingnut on February 20, 2021, 10:43:21 pm
"How far can one of these things fly on one engine?"

All the way to the scene of the crash!.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: mountaineer on February 20, 2021, 10:45:09 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGLAun2mlB8&feature=youtu.be#)
ATC Audio United Airlines Boeing 777 N772UA UA328 Denver Honolulu Engine..
"Mayday, mayday ..."
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: libertybele on February 20, 2021, 10:57:53 pm
Unbelievable ... it could have been a complete disaster -- indeed a miracle.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Polly Ticks on February 20, 2021, 11:06:55 pm
Holy cow.  So glad to hear that everyone is ok.  Scary stuff.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 20, 2021, 11:18:07 pm
Bird ingestion?

FOD due to careless maintenance? Hey, Bill! They found your missing screwdriver!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: 240B on February 20, 2021, 11:19:07 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 20, 2021, 11:26:34 pm
It takes skillful handling, but I'm pretty sure two-engine passenger jets can fly for quite a distance on just one engine, assuming the engine failure didn't damage something critical like hydraulics or control wiring.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Wingnut on February 20, 2021, 11:37:58 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGLAun2mlB8&feature=youtu.be#)
ATC Audio United Airlines Boeing 777 N772UA UA328 Denver Honolulu Engine..
"Mayday, mayday ..."


Smokem if you gotem...
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6wgXNSwCDA&t=0s#)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Victoria33 on February 20, 2021, 11:43:09 pm
 :bkmk:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: skeeter on February 21, 2021, 12:15:56 am
It takes skillful handling, but I'm pretty sure two-engine passenger jets can fly for quite a distance on just one engine, assuming the engine failure didn't damage something critical like hydraulics or control wiring.

These planes still carry fuel in their wings, right? I'm surprised that fire didn't find a way to spread to the tanks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 21, 2021, 12:46:36 am
Passenger jet lands safely...... after suspected engine explosion rains debris on Denver neighbourhoods


now that might be a Miracle

I think you're right @Meshuge Mikey
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 21, 2021, 12:48:23 am
"How far can one of these things fly on one engine?"

All the way to the scene of the crash!.

Thank you, Ron White!   :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Wingnut on February 21, 2021, 12:49:58 am
Thank you, Ron White!   :laugh:
@Right_in_Virginia

 :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 21, 2021, 12:50:39 am
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Pretty darn lucky this didn't land in the living room.  I'm guessing there are a lot of tired guardian angels this evening. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 21, 2021, 12:54:50 am
@Right_in_Virginia

 :beer:

I literally laughed out loud the first time I saw this routine. .....

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH-LmkLFJg0#)


(Now returning to our regularly scheduled broadcasting. )
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Wingnut on February 21, 2021, 12:55:48 am
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Pretty darn lucky this didn't land in the living room.  I'm guessing there are a lot of tired guardian angels this evening.

Coulds have been worse.  The deeded Blue Ice.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 21, 2021, 02:22:32 pm
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Pretty darn lucky this didn't land in the living room.  I'm guessing there are a lot of tired guardian angels this evening.

Sometimes it is apparent, such as this.  But each of us have come "this close" during our lifetimes.  So grateful this event resulted in only equipment damage and debris cleanup. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Sled Dog on February 21, 2021, 04:50:44 pm
It takes skillful handling, but I'm pretty sure two-engine passenger jets can fly for quite a distance on just one engine, assuming the engine failure didn't damage something critical like hydraulics or control wiring.

So long as they have room to react to the initial casualty, most twin engine aircraft can sustain flight on one engine. 

The crash out of Detroit (?) in 1979 where the engine detached just after take-off didn't give the flight crew time to react before the unbalanced thrust spun the vehicle into the ground, killing everyone.

That accident happened because the airline used a non-standard method of removing and servicing the engines...a forklift and an improper cradle that broke the engine mount.   


Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: mountaineer on February 23, 2021, 01:35:46 pm
NYC-bound plane’s engine caught fire, shed debris on same day as United 328
By Lee Brown
February 22, 2021 | 9:26am
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A New York-bound cargo plane had to make an emergency landing after its engine caught fire and broke apart shortly after takeoff in the Netherlands — just hours before an alarmingly similar drama in Colorado.

The pilot of Longtail Aviation Flight 5504 made a mayday call soon after takeoff from Aachen Airport in Maastricht at 4:10 p.m. Saturday as its engine caught fire while heading to John F. Kennedy Airport, officials said.

Dozens of pieces of metal debris fell over the Dutch town of Meerssen, damaging several cars and houses and injuring an elderly woman, officials confirmed.

The Boeing 747-400 cargo plane was redirected and made a safe emergency landing at Liege airport in Belgium, about 19 miles south of the Dutch border, authorities said. ...
Rest of story (https://nypost.com/2021/02/22/jfk-bound-planes-engine-caught-fire-dropped-debris-over-netherlands/)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: mountaineer on February 23, 2021, 01:38:28 pm
Damage to Boeing 777 engine consistent with metal fatigue, NTSB says
By Yaron Steinbuch
February 23, 2021 | 7:04am

The chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board said a preliminary assessment has revealed that damage to a fan blade in the engine that failed on a United Airlines Boeing 777-200 is consistent with metal fatigue.

The Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engine failed with a “loud bang” four minutes after takeoff off Saturday from Denver, causing minor damage to the fuselage, NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt told reporters Monday after an initial analysis of the flight data and cockpit voice recorders. ... More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/damage-to-boeing-777-fan-consistent-with-metal-fatigue-ntsb/)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 23, 2021, 02:55:10 pm
Damage to Boeing 777 engine consistent with metal fatigue, NTSB says
By Yaron Steinbuch
February 23, 2021 | 7:04am

The chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board said a preliminary assessment has revealed that damage to a fan blade in the engine that failed on a United Airlines Boeing 777-200 is consistent with metal fatigue.

The Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engine failed with a “loud bang” four minutes after takeoff off Saturday from Denver, causing minor damage to the fuselage, NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt told reporters Monday after an initial analysis of the flight data and cockpit voice recorders. ... More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/damage-to-boeing-777-fan-consistent-with-metal-fatigue-ntsb/)

I wonder how many hours that engine had. The 777 is not an ancient model (introduced 1993) and is still in production. Besides P & W, GE and Rolls Royce engines are used on the 777-200. I'm guessing a major inspection effort is in the works for P & W engines, and possibly a review of the design.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 23, 2021, 05:28:26 pm
After Saturday’s engine failure, Boeing says many 777s should be grounded

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/boeing-recommends-grounding-777s-with-pratt-whitney-engines/

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"Boeing is actively monitoring recent events related to United Airlines Flight 328," the company stated on Sunday. "While the NTSB investigation is ongoing, we recommended suspending operations of the 69 in-service and 59 in-storage 777s powered by Pratt & Whitney 4000-112 engines until the FAA identifies the appropriate inspection protocol."

There are versions of the 777 aircraft with engines built by three different manufacturers. For about the last 15 years, new 777s have all been delivered with GE-made engines. So this recommendation applies to older models of the aircraft still in service.

My emphasis. These aircraft should have a lifetime, with proper maintenance, of multiple decades. So these ~130 planes, if they have the metal fatigue problem, won't fulfill that without new engines. OTOH, these 130 planes are a relatively small portion of the 777 production run (all variants).

Taken along with the deadly 737 Max fiasco and the KC-46 production issues, this seems likely to be another substantial PR hit for the Lazy B.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Sled Dog on February 24, 2021, 01:03:04 am
Sometimes it is apparent, such as this.  But each of us have come "this close" during our lifetimes.  So grateful this event resulted in only equipment damage and debris cleanup.

Less than two seconds.

The time it took for my submarine's conning tower to clear the bow of the other submarine so our rudder scraped under that ship's belly.

If the conning tower had ripped under the other submarine, that ship would have been stuck to us and flooded.  Both ships would have gone to the bottom with all hands and both reactors.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: mountaineer on March 07, 2021, 12:07:33 am
Video reenactment with actual flight audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C074FDH2j4
Bursting into Flames Just After Takeoff | Here’s What Really Happened to N772UA (With Real Audio)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Massive Pieces of Debris Fall In Colorado After Reported Explosion on United Airlines
Post by: Elderberry on March 07, 2021, 12:54:46 am
Less than two seconds.

The time it took for my submarine's conning tower to clear the bow of the other submarine so our rudder scraped under that ship's belly.

If the conning tower had ripped under the other submarine, that ship would have been stuck to us and flooded.  Both ships would have gone to the bottom with all hands and both reactors.

I guess the Pigs and Chicks kept you safe.

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