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Title: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: rangerrebew on February 08, 2019, 03:48:49 pm
Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
by Cassandra Fairbanks February 7, 2019 
 
Senator Rand Paul took to Twitter on Thursday to blast the Senate for allowing perjurers like James Clapper to get off scot-free while aggressively pursuing anyone associated with President Donald Trump.

The Kentucky senator declared that the Senate should investigate FBI methods and selective prosecution of Trump officials.

“Justice is supposed to be blind. Why is it that an admitted liar like James Clapper perjured himself to Congress and got off scot-free? But if you’re somehow associated with @realDonaldTrump, then they will pursue you relentlessly? This shouldn’t be a one-way street!” Senator Paul tweeted.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/rand-paul-calls-for-senate-hearings-on-fbi-methods-and-selective-prosecution-of-trump-officials/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/rand-paul-calls-for-senate-hearings-on-fbi-methods-and-selective-prosecution-of-trump-officials/)
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 03:55:07 pm
FBI Director Wray and Acting AG Whitaker, aka Butterbean, are hand picked Trump appointees. They both have authority to investigate the Clintons and their associates. Who’s stopping them?
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Bigun on February 08, 2019, 05:09:11 pm
FBI Director Wray and Acting AG Whitaker, aka Butterbean, are hand picked Trump appointees. They both have authority to investigate the Clintons and their associates. Who’s stopping them?

Could be that a real Senate investigation might figure that out!  Just sayin!
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 05:14:03 pm
Could be that a real Senate investigation might figure that out!  Just sayin!


It'd be pretty difficult to say there are partisan motives behind Wray or Whitaker not investigating.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Bigun on February 08, 2019, 05:19:14 pm

It'd be pretty difficult to say there are partisan motives behind Wray or Whitaker not investigating.

So what?  The question is who is preventing them from investigating and why is that being done?
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 05:21:14 pm
So what?  The question is who is preventing them from investigating and why is that being done?


There's only one person who could.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Bigun on February 08, 2019, 05:25:18 pm

There's only one person who could.

As a legal matter, yes!  But that isn't the only possible answer is it? Something caused John Roberts to alter his opinion in the Obamacare matter at the 11th hour and I doubt that something was legal!
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 05:30:20 pm
As a legal matter, yes!  But that isn't the only possible answer is it?


No, but if there was a true desire to have these done, the Chief Executive would have already inquired as to the reason(s) why and either agreed or not. We already know the investigation wouldn't happen and wasn't a serious matter, because Trump said, post-election, the Clintons had suffered enough and 'lock her up' was just good campaign fodder.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Bigun on February 08, 2019, 05:34:39 pm

No, but if there was a true desire to have these done, the Chief Executive would have already inquired as to the reason(s) why and either agreed or not. We already know the investigation wouldn't happen and wasn't a serious matter, because Trump said, post-election, the Clintons had suffered enough and 'lock her up' was just good campaign fodder.

Seems to me that I have heard him ask why it wasn't being pursued many times since then.  No answers have come forth to my knowledge.

And it's not just Hillary!  There is a long list of government malfeasance items being swept under the rug and we deserve to know why!


Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 06:02:57 pm
Seems to me that I have heard him ask why it wasn't being pursued many times since then.  No answers have come forth to my knowledge.

And it's not just Hillary!  There is a long list of government malfeasance items being swept under the rug and we deserve to know why!


We know why. He's specifically said he wouldn't investigate her and the occasional tweet about it is red meat for the base.

Have you noticed the silence from McConnell on the Senate investigations Trump said would happen in response to House hearings? What the other Senator from Kentucky thinks about it is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 08, 2019, 06:05:50 pm
FBI Director Wray and Acting AG Whitaker, aka Butterbean, are hand picked Trump appointees. They both have authority to investigate the Clintons and their associates. Who’s stopping them?

Mueller. His investigation sucks all the air out of the room, and any attemp to investigate the Dems will look like tit for tat. Till it is over, not a lot can be done.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: libertybele on February 08, 2019, 06:06:22 pm
Seems to me that I have heard him ask why it wasn't being pursued many times since then.  No answers have come forth to my knowledge.

And it's not just Hillary!  There is a long list of government malfeasance items being swept under the rug and we deserve to know why!

The 'government corruption' is basically investigating themselves.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: libertybele on February 08, 2019, 06:07:44 pm
Mueller. His investigation sucks all the air out of the room, and any attemp to investigate the Dems will look like tit for tat. Till it is over, not a lot can be done.

The investigation won't be over until after the 2020 elections.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 06:12:35 pm
Mueller. His investigation sucks all the air out of the room, and any attemp to investigate the Dems will look like tit for tat. Till it is over, not a lot can be done.


There are legitimate reasons to look into the Clintons. There wasn't a Mueller investigation until May 2017. If they really wanted to look into the Clintons, they had plenty of time. We knew there'd be no serious inquiry on the outset.

Sessions, before the Mueller probe, openly told the Senate committee he would recuse himself from any inquest related to Hillary, due to his comments during the campaign. Did they pull him as a nominee? No, because they had no intention of conducting a serious look into it.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: 240B on February 08, 2019, 06:14:27 pm
The investigation won't be over until after the 2020 elections.
Nope. Mueller views his so called 'investigation' as a lifetime appointment. I believe that even if Trump left office Mueller would continue his fake investigation. It is not so much about legalities or justice, this is just Democrats getting revenge because they lost.

Also, I believe that there are many Republicans and Democrats who will never stop harassing Trump until he winds up in jail for something/anything. Even if they can get him for jaywalking, they will take it. The charge doesn't matter. They just want him in jail for any reason at all no matter what. They will settle for whatever they can make stick.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 08, 2019, 06:45:11 pm

There are legitimate reasons to look into the Clintons. There wasn't a Mueller investigation until May 2017. If they really wanted to look into the Clintons, they had plenty of time. We knew there'd be no serious inquiry on the outset.

Sessions, before the Mueller probe, openly told the Senate committee he would recuse himself from any inquest related to Hillary, due to his comments during the campaign. Did they pull him as a nominee? No, because they had no intention of conducting a serious look into it.

Wow, you mean they had a whole 4 month window to conduct an investigation? Considering how long the Mueller investigation has gone on, do you think that might be just a bit disingenuous?

The whole special counsel thing was floating around since Trump took the oath, long before the Fusion GPS document was brought to light, and many other facts.

It's a completely different day now.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 06:51:58 pm
Wow, you mean they had a whole 4 month window to conduct an investigation? Considering how long the Mueller investigation has gone on, do you think that might be just a bit disingenuous?



No, they had a whole four months, prior to Mueller’s appointment, to open an investigation, after saying for a year that’s exactly what they would do. That’s what’s disingenuous.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 08, 2019, 06:58:29 pm


No, they had a whole four months to open an investigation, after saying for a year that’s exactly what they would do. That’s what’s disingenuous.

Except that they rushed the Mueller investigation to cut them off at the pass after the Comey debacle. Where exactly was that window?

As usual, you have all the nice little smarmy facts you cite, but you ignore the context to frame it as you wish. Typical gotcha crap.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 07:13:28 pm
Except that they rushed the Mueller investigation to cut them off at the pass after the Comey debacle. Where exactly was that window?

As usual, you have all the nice little smarmy facts you cite, but you ignore the context to frame it as you wish. Typical gotcha crap.


Here’s some ‘smarmy fact,’ ‘typical gotcha crap’ for you.....


Trump: “If I win, I’m going to instruct the attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there’s never been so many lies, so much deception.… “

Clinton:  “It’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law of our country.”

Trump: “Because you’d be in jail.”


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-campaign-manager-robby-mook-trump-thinks-u-s-is-banana-republic/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-campaign-manager-robby-mook-trump-thinks-u-s-is-banana-republic/)



But, of course, it’s Mueller’s fault this didn’t happen between January 20th and May 16th.    *****rollingeyes*****




Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 08, 2019, 07:17:11 pm
Except that they rushed the Mueller investigation to cut them off at the pass after the Comey debacle. Where exactly was that window?

As usual, you have all the nice little smarmy facts you cite, but you ignore the context to frame it as you wish. Typical gotcha crap.

Yup. All you get is a tapestry woven together of disparate bits and pieces of bullshit to fit a narrative. Can't really blame the Stupid Bobby groupies though. They were promised Trumps head on a pike and all they have all these years later are a hand full of low level process crimes and a Taxi Medallion scam shut down.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 08, 2019, 07:25:11 pm

Here’s some ‘smarmy fact,’ ‘typical gotcha crap’ for you.....


Trump: “If I win, I’m going to instruct the attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there’s never been so many lies, so much deception.… “

Clinton:  “It’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law of our country.”

Trump: “Because you’d be in jail.”


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-campaign-manager-robby-mook-trump-thinks-u-s-is-banana-republic/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-campaign-manager-robby-mook-trump-thinks-u-s-is-banana-republic/)



But, of course, it’s Mueller’s fault this didn’t happen between January 20th and May 16th.    *****rollingeyes*****

And again, you think you can smarmily string words together to create a picture that we are supposed to swallow whole.

The political reality is that the Dems made a move to go after Trump right away to stop anything from coming down on Hillary and the Dems. There was no window that you seem to imply.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 07:28:12 pm
Yup. All you get is a tapestry woven together of disparate bits and pieces of bullshit to fit a narrative. Can't really blame the Stupid Bobby groupies though. They were promised Trumps head on a pike and all they have all these years later are a hand full of low level process crimes and a Taxi Medallion scam shut down.


Which has provided cooperation of multiple parties (i.e. Gates, Flynn, Cohen) and led to the central matter of campaign member coordination with foreign entities. How interesting.


"This goes, I think, very much to the heart of what the Special Counsel's Office is investigating," Weissmann said, noting Kilimnik's past intelligence ties and Manafort's position at the top of the Trump campaign at the time. "That meeting and what happened at that meeting is of significance to the special counsel."

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-02-07/prosecutor-manafort-meeting-with-russian-at-heart-of-probe (https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-02-07/prosecutor-manafort-meeting-with-russian-at-heart-of-probe)
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: DCPatriot on February 08, 2019, 07:31:37 pm
And again, you think you can smarmily string words together to create a picture that we are supposed to swallow whole.

The political reality is that the Dems made a move to go after Trump right away to stop anything from coming down on Hillary and the Dems. There was no window that you seem to imply.

The entire Mueller investigation is built entirely on keeping Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama out of prison.

THAT'S bleeping power, ladies and gentlemen.

All made possible by a corrupt mainstream media aligned with the Democrat Party.

The sad thing is: President Trump has shown how to beat them, but for some reason, the GOP leadership are like eaglets refusing to take wing.

They are a total joke when it comes to getting a message out or setting an agenda.   Too many cooks.....
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 07:44:50 pm
And again, you think you can smarmily string words together to create a picture that we are supposed to swallow whole.

The political reality is that the Dems made a move to go after Trump right away to stop anything from coming down on Hillary and the Dems. There was no window that you seem to imply.


Horseshit. Trump was already walking back his special prosecutor pledge, on 60 Minutes, days after the election, by saying, "I don't want to hurt them. They're good people." At a December post-election rally in MI, he said, "That plays great before the election — now we don't care, right?"

Comey didn’t brief him on the dossier until January. He didn’t dump Sessions for someone who would investigate her. Mueller wasn’t appointed until May. He was never serious or had any intention of following through. You were duped and continue to be played by his occasional resurrection of the subject on Twitter.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 08, 2019, 08:02:16 pm

Horseshit. Trump was already walking back his special prosecutor pledge, on 60 Minutes, days after the election, by saying, "I don't want to hurt them. They're good people." At a December post-election rally in MI, he said, "That plays great before the election — now we don't care, right?"

Comey didn’t brief him on the dossier until January. He didn’t dump Sessions for someone who would investigate her. Mueller wasn’t appointed until May. He was never serious or had any intention of following through. You were duped and continue to be played by his occasional resurrection of the subject on Twitter.

And you're shading with cherry picking. The Mueller appointment didn't happen in a vacuum, and there was far less known about the dossier and many other things Clinton.

That's why the Dems and their allies moved so quickly, starting with Flynn. They wanted to stop something before it's started. They knew the dossier shenanigans and their connection to Clinton would come out.

Paint the sky whatever color you want, but it doesn't fit the reality of the situation.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 08:31:17 pm
And you're shading with cherry picking. The Mueller appointment didn't happen in a vacuum, and there was far less known about the dossier and many other things Clinton.

That's why the Dems and their allies moved so quickly, starting with Flynn. They wanted to stop something before it's started. They knew the dossier shenanigans and their connection to Clinton would come out.

Paint the sky whatever color you want, but it doesn't fit the reality of the situation.


Trump fired Flynn (who is a lifelong democrat), for lying to Pence, months before Mueller was appointed. The FBI didn’t charge him, Mueller did, many months, later, after Flynn began to voluntarily sing. Flynn knew he had lied and began offering Mueller information almost immediately upon being questioned. Neither he, nor his son, were threatened with indictment to secure his cooperation. We know this, because his attorney stated it in the plea agreement filing for sentencing. Mueller charged him with lying, despite the other options he had. It was the least of the potential charges and he recommended no jail time, because of the extensive information Flynn provided. So much for being railroaded. That’s the reality.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 08, 2019, 08:48:06 pm

Trump fired Flynn (who is a lifelong democrat), for lying to Pence, months before Mueller was appointed. The FBI didn’t charge him, Mueller did, many months, later, after Flynn began to voluntarily sing. Flynn knew he had lied and began offering Mueller information almost immediately upon being questioned. Neither he, nor his son, were threatened with indictment to secure his cooperation. We know this, because his attorney stated it in the plea agreement filing for sentencing. Mueller charged him with lying, despite the other options he had. It was the least of the potential charges and he recommended no jail time, because of the extensive information Flynn provided. So much for being railroaded. That’s the reality.

The media was after Flynn long before he 'lied' to Pence, as were the Dems. The investigation started long before Trump as even elected, it just became official a few months after he was inaugurated.

All of which originated with Hillary and Obama DOJ/FBI assets obssessed with setting up the Prez. Don't act like Mueller was the beginning of the show.

They kept up the pressure to keep Hillary off the radar, pure and simple.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 08, 2019, 08:56:53 pm
What blackmail does Pecker have on Paul?
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 11:06:57 pm
The media was after Flynn long before he 'lied' to Pence, as were the Dems. The investigation started long before Trump as even elected, it just became official a few months after he was inaugurated.

All of which originated with Hillary and Obama DOJ/FBI assets obssessed with setting up the Prez. Don't act like Mueller was the beginning of the show.

They kept up the pressure to keep Hillary off the radar, pure and simple.


OK, so which is it? Either Trump outright lied during the campaign about assigning a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary or they got to him with this so-called pressure.  I’m going to say he’s just a liar. You can stick with pressure, if you want. However, keep in mind that the pressure would only work if he was actually compromised, in some way.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 08, 2019, 11:44:21 pm

OK, so which is it? Either Trump outright lied during the campaign about assigning a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary or they got to him with this so-called pressure.  I’m going to say he’s just a liar. You can stick with pressure, if you want. However, keep in mind that the pressure would only work if he was actually compromised, in some way.

Nice false dichotomy, but the reality is, the first thing out of his mouth starting his Presidency is not to go after Hillary via the DOJ.

Which was probably a tactical mistake, because the Dems took the opening to go after him.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: libertybele on February 08, 2019, 11:50:40 pm
Nice false dichotomy, but the reality is, the first thing out of his mouth starting his Presidency is not to go after Hillary via the DOJ.

Which was probably a tactical mistake, because the Dems took the opening to go after him.

True ... the fact still remains though that it was Trump who appointed Rosenstein.  HUGE mistake.  Still not quite sure why he did so.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 08, 2019, 11:52:43 pm
Nice false dichotomy, but the reality is, the first thing out of his mouth starting his Presidency is not to go after Hillary via the DOJ.

Correct.  Trump lied about pursuing Hitlery's crimes until he got elected...then he told his zombie throng to shut up.  Dumb suckers.  Guess what?  The wall was a lie too.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 08, 2019, 11:53:05 pm
Nice false dichotomy, but the reality is, the first thing out of his mouth starting his Presidency is not to go after Hillary via the DOJ.

Which was probably a tactical mistake, because the Dems took the opening to go after him.


It’s only a false dichotomy, if you completely ignore the ‘lock her up’ chants and famous special counsel statement from the debate, which I’ve already mentioned.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: jafo2010 on February 09, 2019, 05:29:29 am
The bottomline....there is mass corruption afoot.

Trump in many cases is his own worst enemy when it comes to selecting people to work for him in government.  That is in large part why he keeps his family close, for they are the only folks he trusts.

Is is only a matter of time before he claims every other day something wrong about his latest AG pick.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: 240B on February 09, 2019, 09:00:13 pm
Comey didn’t brief him on the dossier until January. He didn’t dump Sessions for someone who would investigate her. Mueller wasn’t appointed until May. He was never serious or had any intention of following through. You were duped and continue to be played by his occasional resurrection of the subject on Twitter.
That is true. It was reported that Sessions sent his resignation to Trump after he realized that he was unable to do the tasks of USAG. Trump refused his resignation knowing that Sessions was never going to touch Hillary or any other Democrat. That clearly shows that Trump never had any intention of investigating anything connected to the Clinton Cartel.

It is possible that after the election, Hillary or one of her operatives showed Trump all the dirt the Clinton Blackmail Machine had on him. She didn't do this before the election because she wanted him to run. Every Democrat in the entire country was sure Trump would lose and Hillary would win with 99% of the vote.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: Sanguine on February 09, 2019, 09:17:07 pm
The 'government corruption' is basically investigating themselves.

That's the answer.
Title: Re: Rand Paul Calls for Senate Hearings on FBI Methods and Selective Prosecution of Trump Officials
Post by: edpc on February 09, 2019, 09:29:09 pm
It is possible that after the election, Hillary or one of her operatives showed Trump all the dirt the Clinton Blackmail Machine had on him. She didn't do this before the election because she wanted him to run. Every Democrat in the entire country was sure Trump would lose and Hillary would win with 99% of the vote.


After the Access Hollywood tape came out, Trump said it wasn’t any worse than things Bill had said to him on the golf course. Given their previous relationship, I often wondered if a MAD scenario existed between them.