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Trump suspends plan to impose tariffs on Mexico, says Mexico ‘has agreed to take strong measures’ on migrants
Washington Post, Jun 7, 2019, Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Trump suspends plan to impose tariffs on Mexico, says Mexico ‘has agreed to take strong measures’ on migrants.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-suspends-plan-to-impose-tariffs-on-mexico-says-mexico-has-agreed-to-take-strong-measures-on-migrants/2019/06/07/48ebba9e-8985-11e9-9d73-e2ba6bbf1b9b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0e70dee6ba72 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-suspends-plan-to-impose-tariffs-on-mexico-says-mexico-has-agreed-to-take-strong-measures-on-migrants/2019/06/07/48ebba9e-8985-11e9-9d73-e2ba6bbf1b9b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0e70dee6ba72)
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Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....
....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!
5:31 PM - 7 Jun 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1137155057667989511
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Arc-lights?
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Imagine what our President could accomplish if he had some support in Washington. :smokin:
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Imagine what our President could accomplish if he had some support in Washington. :smokin:
Yeah, Whats with those 'publicans, anyway?
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Yeah, Whats with those 'publicans, anyway?
Geeze, I wish I knew --- for sure. wink777
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Sure – they will get right on top of it and he won’t need to build the wall. *****rollingeyes*****
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Mitt (tariff threat won't work) Romney reacts to the news of an agreement:
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That's too good to be true.
Stop disappointing us.
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Mitt (Trump may not win reelection ) Romney reacts to the news of an agreement:
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Sure – they will get right on top of it and he won’t need to build the wall. *****rollingeyes*****
88devil
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I'd like to see what we are saying about this in 3 months time and so on.
China is known for making promises and also breaking them. We will see about Mexico.
I mean, Mexico could even have the best intentions but will they be able to carry it out? They can't even protects candidates running for office or a number of sitting mayors. To a foreigner, the place has to appear like a mess. Maybe AMLO will help it.
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I'd like to see what we are saying about this in 3 months time and so on.
China is known for making promises and also breaking them. We will see about Mexico.
I mean, Mexico could even have the best intentions but will they be able to carry it out? They can't even protects candidates running for office or a number of sitting mayors. To a foreigner, the place has to appear like a mess. Maybe AMLO will help it.
Yes! Voice of reason. We can't declare a victory when it doesn't exist yet. Wait and see.
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Lol, who didn't see this coming... Threat, rescind threat.
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Lol, who didn't see this coming... Threat, rescind threat.
I didn't want to say it but you did. I hope we are both wrong. But the reaction is not appropriate that is for sure. Nobody knows that Mexico will do anything yet.
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U.S.-Mexico Joint Declaration
US Department of State, Jun 7, 2019
The United States and Mexico met this week to address the shared challenges of irregular migration, to include the entry of migrants into the United States in violation of U.S. law. Given the dramatic increase in migrants moving from Central America through Mexico to the United States, both countries recognize the vital importance of rapidly resolving the humanitarian emergency and security situation. The Governments of the United States and Mexico will work together to immediately implement a durable solution.
As a result of these discussions, the United States and Mexico commit to:
Mexican Enforcement Surge
Mexico will take unprecedented steps to increase enforcement to curb irregular migration, to include the deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border. Mexico is also taking decisive action to dismantle human smuggling and trafficking organizations as well as their illicit financial and transportation networks. Additionally, the United States and Mexico commit to strengthen bilateral cooperation, including information sharing and coordinated actions to better protect and secure our common border.
Migrant Protection Protocols
The United States will immediately expand the implementation of the existing Migrant Protection Protocols across its entire Southern Border. This means that those crossing the U.S. Southern Border to seek asylum will be rapidly returned to Mexico where they may await the adjudication of their asylum claims.
In response, Mexico will authorize the entrance of all of those individuals for humanitarian reasons, in compliance with its international obligations, while they await the adjudication of their asylum claims. Mexico will also offer jobs, healthcare and education according to its principles.
The United States commits to work to accelerate the adjudication of asylum claims and to conclude removal proceedings as expeditiously as possible.
Further Actions
Both parties also agree that, in the event the measures adopted do not have the expected results, they will take further actions. Therefore, the United States and Mexico will continue their discussions on the terms of additional understandings to address irregular migrant flows and asylum issues, to be completed and announced within 90 days, if necessary.
Ongoing Regional Strategy
The United States and Mexico reiterate their previous statement of December 18, 2018, that both countries recognize the strong links between promoting development and economic growth in southern Mexico and the success of promoting prosperity, good governance and security in Central America. The United States and Mexico welcome the Comprehensive Development Plan launched by the Government of Mexico in concert with the Governments of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras to promote these goals. The United States and Mexico will lead in working with regional and international partners to build a more prosperous and secure Central America to address the underlying causes of migration, so that citizens of the region can build better lives for themselves and their families at home
https://www.state.gov/u-s-mexico-joint-declaration/ (https://www.state.gov/u-s-mexico-joint-declaration/)
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The United States will immediately expand the implementation of the existing Migrant Protection Protocols across its entire Southern Border. This means that those crossing the U.S. Southern Border to seek asylum will be rapidly returned to Mexico where they may await the adjudication of their asylum claims.
In response, Mexico will authorize the entrance of all of those individuals for humanitarian reasons, in compliance with its international obligations, while they await the adjudication of their asylum claims. Mexico will also offer jobs, healthcare and education according to its principles.
:thumbsup:
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Gov. Mike Huckabee
Verified account @GovMikeHuckabee
Don’t let it go unnoticed that â¦@realDonaldTrumpâ© got this done with NO help from the GOP Senate who threatened to abandon him instead of stand strong as @potus suspends tariffs on Mexico after deal on immigration reached - Reuters
6:19 PM - 7 Jun 2019
https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1137167294801620992
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Mark Meadows
Verified account @RepMarkMeadows
.@POTUS comes through again. After decades of a poorly secured border and trade policies that put our workers at a disadvantage, the President put Americans first and negotiated a deal with Mexico that will deliver real, positive changes.
@realDonaldTrump delivering results.
https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/1137181412715630592
7:15 PM - 7 Jun 2019
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Trump suspends plan to impose tariffs on Mexico, says Mexico ‘has agreed to take strong measures’ on migrants
Washington Post, Jun 7, 2019, Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Trump suspends plan to impose tariffs on Mexico, says Mexico ‘has agreed to take strong measures’ on migrants.
:silly:
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Chad Pergram
Verified account @ChadPergram
GOP NC Sen Tillis: I fully supported President Trump’s strategy of using tariffs to get Mexico to secure its border and stop the flow of illegal immigration to the United States. President Trump proved he wasn’t bluffing, and his bold leadership just resulted in a huge win
8:13 PM - 7 Jun 2019
https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1137195874080186369
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:silly:
Here's your sign ..... 88devil
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Gov. Mike Huckabee
Verified account @GovMikeHuckabee
Don’t let it go unnoticed that â¦@realDonaldTrumpâ© got this done with NO help from the GOP Senate who threatened to abandon him instead of stand strong as @potus suspends tariffs on Mexico after deal on immigration reached - Reuters
6:19 PM - 7 Jun 2019
https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1137167294801620992
Not goin unnoticed by me!
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Mexico will send the Mexican national guard to their Southern border. That should actually help keep a lot of Central Americans out at that. But, we may well see them still able to get through some. This part sounds like a plan.
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Mexico will send the Mexican national guard to their Southern border. That should actually help keep a lot of Central Americans out at that. But, we may well see them still able to get through some. This part sounds like a plan.
I also like this:
The United States will immediately expand the implementation of the existing Migrant Protection Protocols across its entire Southern Border. This means that those crossing the U.S. Southern Border to seek asylum will be rapidly returned to Mexico where they may await the adjudication of their asylum claims.
In response, Mexico will authorize the entrance of all of those individuals for humanitarian reasons, in compliance with its international obligations, while they await the adjudication of their asylum claims. Mexico will also offer jobs, healthcare and education according to its principles.
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Mexico will send the Mexican national guard to their Southern border. That should actually help keep a lot of Central Americans out at that. But, we may well see them still able to get through some. This part sounds like a plan.
Great. Now we can bring the National Guard back. :smokin:
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Wasn't it already the plan for migrants to stay in Mexico while they wait on their asylum claim? Didn't Mexico already say it would stop them at Mexico's Southern Border?
I'm informed by articles posted here that the cartels run Mexico. Do the cartels know about this deal and why are they afraid of tariffs when their illegal merchandise is typically not taxed?
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I'm informed by articles posted here that the cartels run Mexico. Do the cartels know about this deal and why are they afraid of tariffs when their illegal merchandise is typically not taxed?
Didn't work before and for that reason I doubt it will work now. Military is needed.
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Didn't work before and for that reason I doubt it will work now. Military is needed.
You sound cynical. I prefer to praise the President for creating and solving a crisis to keep my mind off the creepy stuff I read in the Mueller Report.
Now that the border is fixed, I can get back to impeachment news. :police:
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You sound cynical. I prefer to praise the President for creating and solving a crisis to keep my mind off the creepy stuff I read in the Mueller Report.
Now that the border is fixed, I can get back to impeachment news. :police:
I am sure I do. Carry on then.
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This is almost as impressive as when Trump tweeted about how he denuclearized NK. The best denuclearization in many many years.
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This is almost as impressive as when Trump tweeted about how he denuclearized NK. The best denuclearization in many many years.
You sound so sarcastic.
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Imagine what our President could accomplish if he had some support in Washington. :smokin:
Bullcrap. He hasn't accomplished anything by this. This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. All this is doing is returning some, and I use the word some lightly, back to Mexico for asylum!!! When granted asylum the U.N. (as Trump previously agreed to) will determine where to place them, including the U.S. Once granted asylum here, they will be able to apply for CITIZENSHIP!!! Citizenship, meaning they will have the RIGHT to vote!!!
What part of Citizenship and asylum don't you get???????
US makes deal with Mexico on tariffs, immigration, Trump announces
......The deal, announced by President Trump via tweet on Friday night, is said to include plans to return migrants seeking asylum to Mexico, where they will remain until their claims can be processed...............
..............Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!"
Ya right. What a crock!
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Trump is so full of himself it's ridiculous. He once again is paying lip service to his supporters and they are buying into his rhetoric. Meanwhile we have hundreds of thousands who our pouring over our borders and no one truly knows how many have gotten past border patrol or how many border patrol has been forced to let through.
WE NEED OUR MILITARY AT THE BORDER!!!! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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The liberals have lost their freakin' minds! Perhaps if CNN would do their darn jobs and actually start filming and reporting on what's going on at the border, we might make some headway. Then again, CNN's ratings are tanking, so they may not make that much of an impact anyways.
CNN panel knocks Trump's Mexico deal, suggest it's a distraction from weak US job numbers
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-panel-knocks-trumps-deal-with-mexico-suggest-its-to-distract-from-low-jobs-numbers (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-panel-knocks-trumps-deal-with-mexico-suggest-its-to-distract-from-low-jobs-numbers)
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Bullcrap. He hasn't accomplished anything by this. This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. All this is doing is returning some, and I use the word some lightly, back to Mexico for asylum!!! When granted asylum the U.N. (as Trump previously agreed to) will determine where to place them, including the U.S. Once granted asylum here, they will be able to apply for CITIZENSHIP!!! Citizenship, meaning they will have the RIGHT to vote!!!
What part of Citizenship and asylum don't you get???????
US makes deal with Mexico on tariffs, immigration, Trump announces
......The deal, announced by President Trump via tweet on Friday night, is said to include plans to return migrants seeking asylum to Mexico, where they will remain until their claims can be processed...............
..............Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!"
Ya right. What a crock!
Truth, truth, truth! I see what's happening. FOX News is busy building this up as the "deal" of the century. Its the same ineffective deal that they have had the entire time. They said they would do this all along. But we saw what happened at Mexico's Southern border. They had a chain link like you find in a parking lot. Easily their border security was overpowered and they came right in. Meanwhile rafts of people floating in also. And it has been a long established plan for Asylum seekers to stay in Mexico. Remember all the coverage of people waiting while they complained that they weren't processing enough people. And the camps only had a couple porta potties that had flooding outside of them? This is rehash old deal which found more and more migrants coming until Tijuana citizens were complaining. And they were stealing the razor wire. They kept coming. The migrants would organize mass crossing where they storm our border...…….etc.
FOX News and news sources are pushing the President as some kind of hero because elections are coming up. Even though this is a nothing burger. What would be a something is a joint operation at Mexico's southern border with armed military and real border wall. Patrols in the rivers not giving them a hand into the boat and bringing them into America. Border Patrol boats at both borders returning migrants to the other side with permission from all governments.
A deal with the Mexican government to crack down on the Cartel that run the trafficking and drug businesses. Because Obrador already declared it was over and he would no longer go after them. Until Mexico gets serious about stopping Cartel the business continues unabated. If they want to stop this it is going to take joint military strikes at Cartel targets. Drone strikes sound good. It would be good for Mexico as well as America. They need to take their country back from the crime business.
We are always busy sending our troops abroad and our country is turning into a Cartel shithole the same as Mexico is.
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How can this be the deal of the century if the business is still there?
Cartels make $500 million a year from smuggling illegal immigrants across U.S. border
Kirstjen Nielsen: Lax laws, booming economy not Central American violence to blame for migrant surge
By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Tuesday, May 15, 2018
Smuggling cartels are making at least $500 million a year bringing migrants into the U.S., Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen told Congress on Tuesday, outlining the scope of the problem for lawmakers as illegal border crossings continue to surge.
Ms. Nielsen took a firm stand on the causes of the surge, saying economies in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala are growing and homicide rates are falling, suggesting the push factors back home should be easing. Instead, she said, the booming U.S. economy and lax American laws are enticing the flow northward.
That contradicts the narrative offered by immigrant rights activists, who have said violence in Central America has spawned the wave of illegal immigrants over the past few months, erasing gains made during President Trump’s early weeks in office and sending the rates of illegal immigration back up to the levels seen under President Obama.
“We do face a crisis,†the secretary told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee in a hearing called to review her department’s budget and policies.
The $500 million figure paid by illegal immigrants to smuggling cartels appeared to be the first time a federal official has put a dollar amount on that particular activity.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/15/kirstjen-nielsen-cartels-make-500-million-year-smu/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/15/kirstjen-nielsen-cartels-make-500-million-year-smu/)
It really isn't any wonder why she was fired.
The only reason that this is being sugar coated is becuase the reality of a Democratic win is worse than ineffective deals that won't stop illegal immigration. And because all politicians of both parties have no desire to stop it. They are bennifiting.
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New deal same as the old deal...…………….
Mexico fights illegal immigration on its own southern border
Under pressure from the United States, Mexico has tried to cut down the flow of Central American immigrants passing through on their way to the southern U.S. border.
by Jay Root Oct. 24, 2016 12 AM
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/10/24/mexicos-porous-southern-border/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2016/10/24/mexicos-porous-southern-border/)
Good reading. I guess Obama made the deal of the century too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3385694/Mexico-moves-lock-border-wall-government-tries-stem-flow-migrants-heading-north-tightening-porous-southern-border.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3385694/Mexico-moves-lock-border-wall-government-tries-stem-flow-migrants-heading-north-tightening-porous-southern-border.html)
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Wed, Oct 6th 2010 @ 1:50 pm EDT
Mexico, which often criticizes the American government for putting up barriers which restrict the flow of illegal immigrants across the U.S. - Mexico border is building a fence of its own along its southern border with Guatemala.
It has been reported that the head of the Mexican Superintendency of Tax Administration, Raul Diaz, confirmed that the Mexican government is building a wall along the Mexican - Guatemalan border. Diaz stated the official reason for building the border wall is to stop illegal drugs from coming into Mexico, but Diaz did admit that it could also prevent the free passage of illegal immigrants.
The hypocrisy of Mexico's actions has not been lost on American politicians. Last week, Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) said on the house floor:
Mr. POE of Texas. Mr. Speaker, in spite of objections to the contrary, a fence is still being built along the southern border. Illegals objected to this but the President is resilient. He is standing firm on his commitment to build the fence to keep illegals out.
You see, over 500,000 illegals cross the border every year into Mexico, and the fence is being built at the southern end of Mexico to keep people like Guatemalans out. It's the Mexican southern border that they're protecting.
You know, Calderon demands that the United States not build a fence. He arrogantly demands the Arizona law not be enforced, but when Mexico has problems with illegals coming to "take jobs that Mexicans won't do," Calderon says he's building a fence on his southern border, whether illegals like it or not.
Every country has the right to defend its border. We should stop listening to anything President Calderon says and do what's right for our country.
Anti-illegal immigration, pro-American worker leaders also had something to say regarding the Mexico-Guatemala Fence: "While the hypocrisy of the Mexican government is offensive," said NumbersUSA President Roy Beck, "Americans can cheer the Mexican fence which should greatly reduce the number of non-Mexicans illegally crossing the U.S. southern border."
Click here to read more about this development.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/october-6-2010/mexico-build-southern-border-fence.html (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/october-6-2010/mexico-build-southern-border-fence.html)
I am sure they will have good excuses for Trump and the new deal when it fails too.
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America’s Heroin Epidemic Fueled By Flood Of Illegal Immigrants
11:44 PM 09/14/2015 | US
Ethan Barton | Managing Editor
Violent drug cartels help “every single illegal alien†cross the border between the U.S. and Mexico for a fee, and often the price is carrying a backpack full of heroin, according to a Border Patrol union president.
“Every single illegal alien that comes into the country goes through the hands of a drug cartel,†even if the immigrant doesn’t want the help, said Hector Garza. He is president of the Laredo, Texas, chapter of the National Border Patrol Council.
Garza was briefly in the national spotlight earlier this year when Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump held a campaign event near the U.S. border with Mexico to highlight his demand for an end to illegal immigration. Garza’s chapter pulled out of hosting Donald Trump in Laredo just hours before the Republican presidential front-runner’s visit.
Most heroin is smuggled into the U.S. by illegal immigrants crossing the border with help from Mexican drug cartels, according to Department of Homeland Security officials. The cartels are also responsible for most of the violence in the border region.
“When we talk about securing the border, it’s not just about stopping illegal immigration,†Garza said. “It’s also about stopping dangerous drugs from entering our communities and our schools and getting into the hands of kids and affecting family members.â€
“Most of the drugs coming into the country are not coming into the ports of entry,†he said. “Coming across the border is the easiest way. You cannot imagine how easy it is to cross the border. You would be shocked at how open our borders are down here.â€
https://dailycaller.com/2015/09/14/americas-heroin-epidemic-fueled-by-flood-of-illegal-immigrants/ (https://dailycaller.com/2015/09/14/americas-heroin-epidemic-fueled-by-flood-of-illegal-immigrants/)
****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep****
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Mexicos-AMLO-The-War-On-Drugs-Is-Over-20190130-0037.html (https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Mexicos-AMLO-The-War-On-Drugs-Is-Over-20190130-0037.html)
Biker gangs and drug Cartel
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2015/05/20/fbi-report-bandidos-biker-gang-allied-with-los-zetas-cartel/ (https://www.breitbart.com/border/2015/05/20/fbi-report-bandidos-biker-gang-allied-with-los-zetas-cartel/)
Trumps ineffective deals with a President of Mexico who refuses to stop Cartel should make them happy. What part of the deal with Mexico addressed the entire reason that this is happening,.....drugs?
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@Chosen Daughter
Your frustrations are understandable.... I share many of them....
But, I feel that you need to temper your expectations..... because....
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(Caution: some strong language contained therein.)
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@dJames
Carlin was a big Lefty. Funny, provocative, insightful, one of the all time great comics.
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@Chosen Daughter
Your frustrations are understandable.... I share many of them....
But, I feel that you need to temper your expectations..... because....
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(Caution: some strong language contained therein.)
Well I don't know what he is saying because I don't listen to Carlin. I don't think I should temper my expectations at all. My frustration is far more truthful then the worship on FOX News for that nothing burger deal.
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Imagine what our President could accomplish if he had some support in Washington. :smokin:
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A reflection.
To his credit, assert that Trump laid down all the markers for his Mexico negotiators.
Also assert that if Trump understood the importance of character in subordinates
he would have chosen far more wisely earlier and his agenda would be much further
advanced by now.
Let see how he does w/China and Iran over the next 2 years.
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A reflection.
To his credit, assert that Trump laid down all the markers for his Mexico negotiators.
Also assert that if Trump understood the importance of character in subordinates
he would have chosen far more wisely earlier and his agenda would be much further
advanced by now.
Let see how he does w/China and Iran over the next 2 years.
Well, you certainly are much more positive than I. Trump's b.s. about negotiations with Mexico are meaningless. All that they have agreed to is keeping the ILLEGALS in Mexico into which time they are granted asylum; yes, that means into the U.S. After they are granted asylum they ARE eligible to apply for citizenship within 5 years. Meaning that the hundreds of thousands here will become citizens; no end of the line, no need to come here legally. All they had to do is show up at our door in masses and voila --- they now are citizens of the U.S. and eligible for ALL the perks and benefits ... all compliments of the taxpayer.
IF our POTUS doesn't get things under control at our southern border, we won't have to worry about China nor Iran. We will have lost our Republic and we will be in a free -for-all. Every man for himself ... at best.
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Well, you certainly are much more positive than I. Trump's b.s. about negotiations with Mexico are meaningless. All that they have agreed to is keeping the ILLEGALS in Mexico into which time they are granted asylum; yes, that means into the U.S. After they are granted asylum they ARE eligible to apply for citizenship within 5 years. Meaning that the hundreds of thousands here will become citizens; no end of the line, no need to come here legally. All they had to do is show up at our door in masses and voila --- they now are citizens of the U.S. and eligible for ALL the perks and benefits ... all compliments of the taxpayer.
IF our POTUS doesn't get things under control at our southern border, we won't have to worry about China nor Iran. We will have lost our Republic and we will be in a free -for-all. Every man for himself ... at best.
And here is what the Mexican President has to say about the deal...……..
Earlier Friday in Mexico City, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador reiterated his own optimistic position.
'There is dialogue and an agreement can be reached,' Lopez Obrador said. 'I'm optimistic we can achieve that.' He added it was a mistake, though, for the U.S. to link migration with trade, reiterating migration must be addressed by solving social and economic problems in Central America. 'The causes of the migratory chaos aren't being analyzed, only the effects,' he said.
https://www.mexiconews.net/news/261343165/us-mexico-reach-deal-on-migration-averting-tariffs (https://www.mexiconews.net/news/261343165/us-mexico-reach-deal-on-migration-averting-tariffs)
This from the President that Trump is praising on his twitter. The Mexican President that has declared the war with Cartel over. Even though Cartel are involved with every single illegal immigrant crossing the border.
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Trump: Mexico Will Send 6,000 Troops To Its Southern Border
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/06/08/trump-mexico-will-send-6000-troops-to-its-southern-border-n2547792
If this is so and I've seen it in a few places, then, it will indeed keep Central Americans/others in CA. This part seems like it would work.
Big letters and red for those who apparently do not know! :seeya:
Earlier this week, Mexico voluntarily agreed to send six thousand troops to its southern border, but the Trump administration insisted that was not enough and required more commitments from the country as seen in the Friday night deal to avoid the looming tariffs.
A significant part of the problem alone are the caravans marching unimpeded through Mexico. From what I've read, actual illegal immigration from Mexicans has gone way down.
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@Chosen Daughter
Your frustrations are understandable.... I share many of them....
But, I feel that you need to temper your expectations..... because....
Well, you get it.
You see it in smaller towns where there is an 'inside' group and an 'outside' group, and if you are not on the inside, your competitors (who are) will get the permits, not have to go by every niggling ordinance, but you won't and you will. The playing field isn't level.
Worse yet, people are given the illusion of choice between Brand A and Brand X, when in reality (and this should be obvious to anyone who has been paying attention, especially for decades), they're the same product, just with different packaging.
One says they will bend you over the sink, the other says they won't (but do anyway).
Effectively, the only difference is who cheers for the next step toward totalitarianism (because "our guy" did it), and the whole social media construct gives the illusion that we are actually doing something.
Meh. It has been the same sucker game for decades, and this is just another round of those who think it will be any different lapping it up, blathering about "Rights" which only work for them if they take away someone else's Rights--which is wrong.
Either Rights are Rights for everyone, or they aren't anything but another tilt in the playing field, and not a Right at all.
You can't compensate for past wrongs by creating another group of people who have been screwed, but the controversy sure grants an opportunity to make it look like you are doing something, and keeps the penny stinkers at each others' throats long enough to keep your slimy ass in power. Whatta racket, whatta deal!
THESE PEOPLE PARTY TOGETHER, DESPITE THE KABUKE FOR THE CAMERAS.
Duh!
Like the small scale drama in every courtroom where the prosecutor and defense attorneys seem to be at each other's throats and then go eat at the same table in the courthouse cafe for lunch.
Lay out the simple metric of what would have happened to you if you had been caught pulling the sh*t that Hillary, Obama, Bill Clinton, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, the whole inbred frigging cast of characters in the 'Russia' probe and a multitude of unprosecuted unindicted co-conspirators have pulled. It has been going on for decades, survive until the changing of the guard and you're home free! Faithful minions will be rewarded! The unfaithful will have 'accidents', be discredited and shunned (whether they did anything to deserve that or not), or be discrediteed as "conspiracy kooks" when they try to blow the whistle.
Where would you be?
In a Federal cell with some SOB who just might shorten your lifespan, that's where, for just one count of things they have admittedly done over 30,000 times--if not found shot in the back with all your valuables as a victim of a 'botched robbery', or in some obscure park with a couple of 'suicide notes' found well after the fact, in different locations. Your plane might have troubles, your car catch fire in your garage as you are pulling in, all sorts of misfortune might befall you. You can run, but that whole national security apparatus will find you if they want to.
Where are they, the insiders, the members of the 'club'? Still in the same jobs, still in the limelight, still raking it in, with the newsreaders making all sorts of lame-assed excuses for why they haven't been prosecuted, when you know damned well you'd be in irons.
If you had pulled the Jussie Smolette thing without having Kamala Harris as your Auntie, where would you be?
In custody, and if you weren't black to begin with, a pissed off CPD would likely have added that and blue to your complexion.
Yet he walks.
The last veil came off last presidential primary for me. We didn't have one. No chance to vote on who the candidate would be. That's right, the GOP muckety-mucks in this state decided what bone we'd be tossed to vote for against Hillary. Eff'em. I voted third (Constitution) Party. I like the Platform better, and despite the lack of polish the well groomed figureheads for the other parties had, found more sincerity there. I am no longer a Republican, the scales have dropped from my eyes.
Every day these people stall, stay out of jail, hold off on prosecutions is worth billions of dollars. The Chinese make the designer drugs, ship them to Mexico. The Fentanyl goes in, is mixed with the opium from Afghanistan, the coke comes from points South, the meth is made right there, with precursors form China or elsewhere, (ever wonder why we have a heroin problem every frigging time we are engaged militarily in a region that, well, is known for opium? I thought we'd learned our lesson in SE Asia 50 years ago with the drug mess here at home, but it's baack! ). Carted/walked/driven/shipped/ drone dropped/flown in in bulk, brought in under diplomatic seal, and distributed throughout the United States by imported Cartel members and Gangs from elsewhere, to the outstanding profit of someone out there, not to mention the slave trade (sex slaves are guaranteed one thing the slaves of the 1800's were not, they are going to be used, and not to pick cotton, and in the end their lives are cheap for the really demented--live show at 5, DVDs or files for sale, and extra to play). Huge frigging money, at least a billion dollars a day changes hands.
All the while we are told 'negotiations are in progress', we're going to stop this, control that, WELL, WHERE ARE THE RESULTS? what stopped? Those impressive piles of drugs and money? Meh. Less than a days business.
Our sons and daughters, nieces and nephews are on the front lines of this fight, often with their hands tied by ROE which cannot work, by lack of support from the people who crow about putting them there (for political gain), and yet, who earnestly try to stem the flow of illegal trade in people, drugs, and whatever else across our borders, while others (treasonously) orchestrate the very forces which overwhelm the limited resources which our defenders have been given.
The Caravans are no accident, but they are the smokescreen for much more.
They are all in the same club, folks, Carlin is right. Put on your big girl panties and listen up. It's the scam of the century, has been since Jekyll Island, and odds are full on you are not in the club.
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If this is so and I've seen it in a few places, then, it will indeed keep Central Americans/others in CA. This part seems like it would work.
Big letters and red for those who apparently do not know! :seeya:
I know. I also read by September. But we sent troops to our own border and they weren't stopping anything. It was humanitarian. Are they going to stop them or allow them to come in and get jobs while they wait for asylum in the United States? Isn't that the deal? Mexico offers temporary work, education.....etc. while the wait in Mexico?
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Well, you get it.
You see it in smaller towns where there is an 'inside' group and an 'outside' group, and if you are not on the inside, your competitors (who are) will get the permits, not have to go by every niggling ordinance, but you won't and you will. The playing field isn't level.
Worse yet, people are given the illusion of choice between Brand A and Brand X, when in reality (and this should be obvious to anyone who has been paying attention, especially for decades), they're the same product, just with different packaging.
One says they will bend you over the sink, the other says they won't (but do anyway).
Effectively, the only difference is who cheers for the next step toward totalitarianism (because "our guy" did it), and the whole social media construct gives the illusion that we are actually doing something.
Meh. It has been the same sucker game for decades, and this is just another round of those who think it will be any different lapping it up, blathering about "Rights" which only work for them if they take away someone else's Rights--which is wrong.
Either Rights are Rights for everyone, or they aren't anything but another tilt in the playing field, and not a Right at all.
You can't compensate for past wrongs by creating another group of people who have been screwed, but the controversy sure grants an opportunity to make it look like you are doing something, and keeps the penny stinkers at each others' throats long enough to keep your slimy ass in power. Whatta racket, whatta deal!
THESE PEOPLE PARTY TOGETHER, DESPITE THE KABUKE FOR THE CAMERAS.
Duh!
Like the small scale drama in every courtroom where the prosecutor and defense attorneys seem to be at each other's throats and then go eat at the same table in the courthouse cafe for lunch.
Lay out the simple metric of what would have happened to you if you had been caught pulling the sh*t that Hillary, Obama, Bill Clinton, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, the whole inbred frigging cast of characters in the 'Russia' probe and a multitude of unprosecuted unindicted co-conspirators have pulled. It has been going on for decades, survive until the changing of the guard and you're home free! Faithful minions will be rewarded! The unfaithful will have 'accidents', be discredited and shunned (whether they did anything to deserve that or not), or be discrediteed as "conspiracy kooks" when they try to blow the whistle.
Where would you be?
In a Federal cell with some SOB who just might shorten your lifespan, that's where, for just one count of things they have admittedly done over 30,000 times--if not found shot in the back with all your valuables as a victim of a 'botched robbery', or in some obscure park with a couple of 'suicide notes' found well after the fact, in different locations. Your plane might have troubles, your car catch fire in your garage as you are pulling in, all sorts of misfortune might befall you. You can run, but that whole national security apparatus will find you if they want to.
Where are they, the insiders, the members of the 'club'? Still in the same jobs, still in the limelight, still raking it in, with the newsreaders making all sorts of lame-assed excuses for why they haven't been prosecuted, when you know damned well you'd be in irons.
If you had pulled the Jussie Smolette thing without having Kamala Harris as your Auntie, where would you be?
In custody, and if you weren't black to begin with, a pissed off CPD would likely have added that and blue to your complexion.
Yet he walks.
The last veil came off last presidential primary for me. We didn't have one. No chance to vote on who the candidate would be. That's right, the GOP muckety-mucks in this state decided what bone we'd be tossed to vote for against Hillary. Eff'em. I voted third (Constitution) Party. I like the Platform better, and despite the lack of polish the well groomed figureheads for the other parties had, found more sincerity there. I am no longer a Republican, the scales have dropped from my eyes.
Every day these people stall, stay out of jail, hold off on prosecutions is worth billions of dollars. The Chinese make the designer drugs, ship them to Mexico. The Fentanyl goes in, is mixed with the opium from Afghanistan, the coke comes from points South, the meth is made right there, with precursors form China or elsewhere, (ever wonder why we have a heroin problem every frigging time we are engaged militarily in a region that, well, is known for opium? I thought we'd learned our lesson in SE Asia 50 years ago with the drug mess here at home, but it's baack! ). Carted/walked/driven/shipped/ drone dropped/flown in in bulk, brought in under diplomatic seal, and distributed throughout the United States by imported Cartel members and Gangs from elsewhere, to the outstanding profit of someone out there, not to mention the slave trade (sex slaves are guaranteed one thing the slaves of the 1800's were not, they are going to be used, and not to pick cotton, and in the end their lives are cheap for the really demented--live show at 5, DVDs or files for sale, and extra to play). Huge frigging money, at least a billion dollars a day changes hands.
All the while we are told 'negotiations are in progress', we're going to stop this, control that, WELL, WHERE ARE THE RESULTS? what stopped? Those impressive piles of drugs and money? Meh. Less than a days business.
Our sons and daughters, nieces and nephews are on the front lines of this fight, often with their hands tied by ROE which cannot work, by lack of support from the people who crow about putting them there (for political gain), and yet, who earnestly try to stem the flow of illegal trade in people, drugs, and whatever else across our borders, while others (treasonously) orchestrate the very forces which overwhelm the limited resources which our defenders have been given.
The Caravans are no accident, but they are the smokescreen for much more.
They are all in the same club, folks, Carlin is right. Put on your big girl panties and listen up. It's the scam of the century, has been since Jekyll Island, and odds are full on you are not in the club.
goopo :patriot: :hands: :judge:
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I also like this:
What the detractors/skeptics are missing is that this mere promise alone from Mexico is enough to justify legally the immediate return of those seeking asylum.
It's a big deal.
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What the detractors/skeptics are missing is that this mere promise alone from Mexico is enough to justify legally the immediate return of those seeking asylum.
It's a big deal.
Mere promise from Mexico is enough to justify, immediate return??? Maybe you've had a few too many cocktails??
Trump's claim is that Mexico has agreed to allow those to return to Mexico to await asylum. I don't know about you but granting asylum to every Tom, Dick and Jane at our border is NOT acceptable. What are they doing with those that are applying for asylum?? Dumping them over the border in various different states. That's already been established.
A promise from Mexico is not legal anything ... IF Mexico was to sign some sort of treaty ... that treaty would need the advice and consent of Congress!
Secondly ... how many are already in our country ILLEGALLY not accounted for?
We need Mexico to halt the influx of ILLEGALS. That's what needs to be done. Them accepting ILLEGALS back so that they can be processed is bullcrap and then dumped back into this country is bullcrap. Nothing more than lip service from POTUS and playing musical chairs.
WE NEED OUR MILITARY AT OUR BORDER DEFENDING THIS COUNTRY AGAINST ALL ENEMIES!!!!
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@dJames
Carlin was a big Lefty. Funny, provocative, insightful, one of the all time great comics.
I'm not so sure that "left" or "right" has much meaning anymore.
I saw Carlin as a truth teller.
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And here is what the Mexican President has to say about the deal...……..
Earlier Friday in Mexico City, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador reiterated his own optimistic position.
'There is dialogue and an agreement can be reached,' Lopez Obrador said. 'I'm optimistic we can achieve that.' He added it was a mistake, though, for the U.S. to link migration with trade, reiterating migration must be addressed by solving social and economic problems in Central America. 'The causes of the migratory chaos aren't being analyzed, only the effects,' he said.
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And, that's because it isn't a mistake. Quite the opposite.
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Well I don't know what he is saying because I don't listen to Carlin. I don't think I should temper my expectations at all. My frustration is far more truthful then the worship on FOX News for that nothing burger deal.
@Chosen Daughter
You don't have to temper your expectations if you want to remain frustrated for the rest of your life.
If you weren't afraid to listen to Carlin, you would have gotten the message that @Smokin Joe posted below and you cheered for.
Bottom line: It is a Big Club, and you, me, and the rest of us here AREN'T IN IT.
The problem isn't going to be "fixed." There is no one that you can "vote for" to fix it.
Trump isn't going to fix it, nor will anyone else.
Bearing that in mind, you should PLAN accordingly.
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Well, you get it.
You see it in smaller towns where there is an 'inside' group and an 'outside' group, and if you are not on the inside, your competitors (who are) will get the permits, not have to go by every niggling ordinance, but you won't and you will. The playing field isn't level.
Worse yet, people are given the illusion of choice between Brand A and Brand X, when in reality (and this should be obvious to anyone who has been paying attention, especially for decades), they're the same product, just with different packaging.
One says they will bend you over the sink, the other says they won't (but do anyway).
Effectively, the only difference is who cheers for the next step toward totalitarianism (because "our guy" did it), and the whole social media construct gives the illusion that we are actually doing something.
Meh. It has been the same sucker game for decades, and this is just another round of those who think it will be any different lapping it up, blathering about "Rights" which only work for them if they take away someone else's Rights--which is wrong.
Either Rights are Rights for everyone, or they aren't anything but another tilt in the playing field, and not a Right at all.
You can't compensate for past wrongs by creating another group of people who have been screwed, but the controversy sure grants an opportunity to make it look like you are doing something, and keeps the penny stinkers at each others' throats long enough to keep your slimy ass in power. Whatta racket, whatta deal!
THESE PEOPLE PARTY TOGETHER, DESPITE THE KABUKE FOR THE CAMERAS.
Duh!
Like the small scale drama in every courtroom where the prosecutor and defense attorneys seem to be at each other's throats and then go eat at the same table in the courthouse cafe for lunch.
Lay out the simple metric of what would have happened to you if you had been caught pulling the sh*t that Hillary, Obama, Bill Clinton, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, the whole inbred frigging cast of characters in the 'Russia' probe and a multitude of unprosecuted unindicted co-conspirators have pulled. It has been going on for decades, survive until the changing of the guard and you're home free! Faithful minions will be rewarded! The unfaithful will have 'accidents', be discredited and shunned (whether they did anything to deserve that or not), or be discrediteed as "conspiracy kooks" when they try to blow the whistle.
Where would you be?
In a Federal cell with some SOB who just might shorten your lifespan, that's where, for just one count of things they have admittedly done over 30,000 times--if not found shot in the back with all your valuables as a victim of a 'botched robbery', or in some obscure park with a couple of 'suicide notes' found well after the fact, in different locations. Your plane might have troubles, your car catch fire in your garage as you are pulling in, all sorts of misfortune might befall you. You can run, but that whole national security apparatus will find you if they want to.
Where are they, the insiders, the members of the 'club'? Still in the same jobs, still in the limelight, still raking it in, with the newsreaders making all sorts of lame-assed excuses for why they haven't been prosecuted, when you know damned well you'd be in irons.
If you had pulled the Jussie Smolette thing without having Kamala Harris as your Auntie, where would you be?
In custody, and if you weren't black to begin with, a pissed off CPD would likely have added that and blue to your complexion.
Yet he walks.
The last veil came off last presidential primary for me. We didn't have one. No chance to vote on who the candidate would be. That's right, the GOP muckety-mucks in this state decided what bone we'd be tossed to vote for against Hillary. Eff'em. I voted third (Constitution) Party. I like the Platform better, and despite the lack of polish the well groomed figureheads for the other parties had, found more sincerity there. I am no longer a Republican, the scales have dropped from my eyes.
Every day these people stall, stay out of jail, hold off on prosecutions is worth billions of dollars. The Chinese make the designer drugs, ship them to Mexico. The Fentanyl goes in, is mixed with the opium from Afghanistan, the coke comes from points South, the meth is made right there, with precursors form China or elsewhere, (ever wonder why we have a heroin problem every frigging time we are engaged militarily in a region that, well, is known for opium? I thought we'd learned our lesson in SE Asia 50 years ago with the drug mess here at home, but it's baack! ). Carted/walked/driven/shipped/ drone dropped/flown in in bulk, brought in under diplomatic seal, and distributed throughout the United States by imported Cartel members and Gangs from elsewhere, to the outstanding profit of someone out there, not to mention the slave trade (sex slaves are guaranteed one thing the slaves of the 1800's were not, they are going to be used, and not to pick cotton, and in the end their lives are cheap for the really demented--live show at 5, DVDs or files for sale, and extra to play). Huge frigging money, at least a billion dollars a day changes hands.
All the while we are told 'negotiations are in progress', we're going to stop this, control that, WELL, WHERE ARE THE RESULTS? what stopped? Those impressive piles of drugs and money? Meh. Less than a days business.
Our sons and daughters, nieces and nephews are on the front lines of this fight, often with their hands tied by ROE which cannot work, by lack of support from the people who crow about putting them there (for political gain), and yet, who earnestly try to stem the flow of illegal trade in people, drugs, and whatever else across our borders, while others (treasonously) orchestrate the very forces which overwhelm the limited resources which our defenders have been given.
The Caravans are no accident, but they are the smokescreen for much more.
They are all in the same club, folks, Carlin is right. Put on your big girl panties and listen up. It's the scam of the century, has been since Jekyll Island, and odds are full on you are not in the club.
Sadly, @Smokin Joe , you are completely correct.
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Sadly, @Smokin Joe , you are completely correct.
Exactly. Anyone who thinks that these caravans are here by mistake is living in a bubble and anyone who is believing this President's lip service needs to get their heads out of the sand and open their eyes.
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President Trump single-handedly solved the tariff crisis he single-handedly created and let us cheer his successful continuation of the status-quo! Bravo Mr President.
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Mere promise from Mexico is enough to justify, immediate return??? Maybe you've had a few too many cocktails??
No, I am just much more familiar with immigration and asylum law than are you.
If Mexico refuses to hold them while their asylum claims in the U.S. are being adjudicated (and overwhelmingly rejected), then our courts will order them to be admitted here pending resolution of their asylum claims. And when they are admitted here and we lack the space, they get released without a hearing.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html)
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Another big win is not having to explain why the wall ain't built. The wall Mexico was going to pay for.
and when illegal immigration gets worse Trump can now blame Mexico for failing to live up to President Trump's tweets.
People with critical thinking skills might complain, but the base will say MAGA!!!
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html)
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Another big win is not having to explain why the wall ain't built. The wall Mexico was going to pay for.
and when illegal immigration gets worse Trump can now blame Mexico for failing to live up to President Trump's tweets.
People with critical thinking skills might complain, but the base will say MAGA!!!
But ... this can't be!! Trump told his supporters that he had made a 'deal' with Mexico.! So, Mr. President, please explain what YOU are going to do if Mexico doesn't keep their promise(s). Are you going to threaten them again with tariffs or will you threaten them with tariffs and then, give them another year? Trump OWNS the fiasco at the border! He threatened the DEMS, shutdown the government and they called his bluff. He threatened Mexico, they called his bluff, and then he gave them another year. They've called his bluff again.
Is he bluffing at this point, or is it the fact that he DOES NOT INTEND TO DO ANYTHING TO CURTAIL THE INVASION???
I am 100% convinced it was NEVER his intent to build a wall. Watch closely Trump supporters as he reaches into his pocket for his next bag of tricks. Poker definitely ain't his game as he is terrible at bluffing.
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But ... this can't be!! Trump told his supporters that he had made a 'deal' with Mexico.! So, Mr. President, please explain what YOU are going to do if Mexico doesn't keep their promise(s). Are you going to threaten them again with tariffs or will you threaten them with tariffs and then, give them another year? Trump OWNS the fiasco at the border! He threatened the DEMS, shutdown the government and they called his bluff. He threatened Mexico, they called his bluff, and then he gave them another year. They've called his bluff again.
Is he bluffing at this point, or is it the fact that he DOES NOT INTEND TO DO ANYTHING TO CURTAIL THE INVASION???
I am 100% convinced it was NEVER his intent to build a wall. Watch closely Trump supporters as he reaches into his pocket for his next bag of tricks. Poker definitely ain't his game as he is terrible at bluffing.
So you believe the NYSlimes so you can post your hate. Man it must suck to be a hater like you.
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That's a good way to describe it, we or Trump is weaponizing tariffs, food for thought...
Trump is playing a risky game by weaponizing US economic power with tariffs
Fred Kempe
The effectiveness of President Donald Trump’s unprecedented weaponization of tariffs in addressing non-trade issues is facing its most significant tests yet in Mexico and China.
In the case of Mexico, he had threatened new 5% tariffs on Mexican goods – which were to be imposed as early as Monday. The aim was to force the Mexican government to stem the flood of undocumented migrants across U.S. borders.
The United States and Mexico reached a deal Friday night in which Trump dropped the tariff threat in return for Mexico’s commitment to increased immigration enforcement.
Read more at: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/07/trump-plays-risky-game-by-weaponizing-tariffs.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/07/trump-plays-risky-game-by-weaponizing-tariffs.html)
If I need an explanation, Mark Levine suffices for me, he's for all this stuff actually.
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So you believe the NYSlimes so you can post your hate. Man it must suck to be a hater like you.
Hate??? Quite the contrary. I love this country. Are you so blinded by your adoration of Trump that you don't see what is happening? Mexico is going to keep some people behind the border so that they can be processed for asylum. That's it. That's the grand and glorious plan. Wow...that ought to really stifle the hundreds of thousands that keep pouring over our borders!
Get real. Open your eyes. I do not hate. I mourn for our Republic.
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Hate??? Quite the contrary. I love this country. Are you so blinded by your adoration of Trump that you don't see what is happening? Mexico is going to keep some people behind the border so that they can be processed for asylum. That's it. That's the grand and glorious plan. Wow...that ought to really stifle the hundreds of thousands that keep pouring over our borders!
Get real. Open your eyes. I do not hate. I mourn for our Republic.
Look. I understand you have an opinion. that is cool. We all do. But damn girl.. you suck at objectivity. Take the hate goggles off.
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Hate??? Quite the contrary. I love this country. Are you so blinded by your adoration of Trump that you don't see what is happening? Mexico is going to keep some people behind the border so that they can be processed for asylum. That's it. That's the grand and glorious plan. Wow...that ought to really stifle the hundreds of thousands that keep pouring over our borders!
Get real. Open your eyes. I do not hate. I mourn for our Republic.
Trumpbot thinks it is disgusting how you defend your country instead of defending your President.
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Mexico ‘has agreed to take strong measures’ on migrants
If only Trump would follow their lead.
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No, I am just much more familiar with immigration and asylum law than are you.
If Mexico refuses to hold them while their asylum claims in the U.S. are being adjudicated (and overwhelmingly rejected), then our courts will order them to be admitted here pending resolution of their asylum claims. And when they are admitted here and we lack the space, they get released without a hearing.
Ok, but what does that do to curtail the continuing invasion? Our border patrol has repeatedly stated that they are overwhelmed at the border. So now are we to believe that Mexico is going to be able to handle this invasion? Really? Do they have a better border patrol than we do?? Come on. Is this what you truly believe? If our border patrol can't control this influx how is Mexico going to?? Perhaps Mexico has more space for all these people than we do??
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Trumpbot thinks it is disgusting how you defend your country instead of defending your President.
When our President defends this country and its citizens I will defend him.
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Trumpbot thinks it is disgusting how you defend your country instead of defending your President.
Look dick head, ( was reprimanded for calling you a Libtard by MOD 2 so I changed it to dick head) I know you hate defending the country. Bringing down Trump supersedes everything. The means to an end. No rest till Trump is dead
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@Chosen Daughter
You don't have to temper your expectations if you want to remain frustrated for the rest of your life.
If you weren't afraid to listen to Carlin, you would have gotten the message that @Smokin Joe posted below and you cheered for.
Bottom line: It is a Big Club, and you, me, and the rest of us here AREN'T IN IT.
The problem isn't going to be "fixed." There is no one that you can "vote for" to fix it.
Trump isn't going to fix it, nor will anyone else.
Bearing that in mind, you should PLAN accordingly.
Why should anyone vote for him?
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Libtard haters like you hate defending the country. Bringing down Trump supersedes everything. The means to an end. No rest till Trump is dead
What the heck are you yapping about? Seriously? I do NOT hate Trump, I hate what is happening to our Republic. Make no mistake. I WANT TRUMP TO SUCCEED! But, he is FAILING at the border bigly. If you would stop and read the posts, read Trump's comments, read the articles, perhaps you could make an honest assessment of what is happening rather than blindly supporting him.
No rest until Trump is dead? Have you lost your mind? Are you even realizing you are saying?? Good Lord. I do not wish him dead. That is just plain sick!
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What the heck are you yapping about? Seriously? I do NOT hate Trump, I hate what is happening to our Republic. Make no mistake. I WANT TRUMP TO SUCCEED! But, he is FAILING at the border bigly. If you would stop and read the posts, read Trump's comments, read the articles, perhaps you could make an honest assessment of what is happening rather than blindly supporting him.
No rest until Trump is dead? Have you lost your mind? Are you even realizing you are saying?? Good Lord. I do not wish him dead. That is just plain sick!
Ridiculous. And even if things do not improve I am sure there will be another excuse. Its been a roller coaster of border flubs, promises and flip flops.
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What the heck are you yapping about? Seriously? I do NOT hate Trump, I hate what is happening to our Republic. Make no mistake. I WANT TRUMP TO SUCCEED! But, he is FAILING at the border bigly. If you would stop and read the posts, read Trump's comments, read the articles, perhaps you could make an honest assessment of what is happening rather than blindly supporting him.
No rest until Trump is dead? Have you lost your mind? Are you even realizing you are saying?? Good Lord. I do not wish him dead. That is just plain sick!
You are a hater and you feed the hate. You are the sick one.
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Ridiculous. And even if things do not improve I am sure there will be another excuse. Its been a roller coaster of border flubs, promises and flip flops.
You are the excuse for the NT's. Wear it proud.
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As someone mentioned earlier regardless of the outcome in this latest Tariff War with Mexico, most of us knew he was gonna claim Victory, the seals would clap and he'd exit stage left just as he did with N Korea, achieving nothing worth celebration. Trump was right about some things, amongst them, I could possibly tire from all this winning.
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You are the excuse for the NT's. Wear it proud.
Well I know that is what you call people who don't just go along. If I am an excuse by stating the fact that Trump had been wholly ineffective on his campaign promise to secure the border then so be it. Instead of illegal immigration going down it has exploded to record levels. And it also is exposing Americans to disease that these caravans bring. It exposes Americans to the dangers of Cartels and the terrorists that they are joining up with. And excuse me but the President was asked to designate the drug cartel terrorist organization. He gives lip service to families who have lost loved ones but really does nothing to stop it. He talks about families and drug addiction. But none of this is going to stop that.
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Well I know that is what you call people who don't just go along. If I am an excuse by stating the fact that Trump had been wholly ineffective on his campaign promise to secure the border then so be it. Instead of illegal immigration going down it has exploded to record levels. And it also is exposing Americans to disease that these caravans bring. It exposes Americans to the dangers of Cartels and the terrorists that they are joining up with. And excuse me but the President was asked to designate the drug cartel terrorist organization. He gives lip service to families who have lost loved ones but really does nothing to stop it. He talks about families and drug addiction. But none of this is going to stop that.
All of that is indisputably true, so be prepared when they blame you and say you stole the emperor's clothes.
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Well, you get it.
You see it in smaller towns where there is an 'inside' group and an 'outside' group, and if you are not on the inside, your competitors (who are) will get the permits, not have to go by every niggling ordinance, but you won't and you will. The playing field isn't level.
Worse yet, people are given the illusion of choice between Brand A and Brand X, when in reality (and this should be obvious to anyone who has been paying attention, especially for decades), they're the same product, just with different packaging.
One says they will bend you over the sink, the other says they won't (but do anyway).
Effectively, the only difference is who cheers for the next step toward totalitarianism (because "our guy" did it), and the whole social media construct gives the illusion that we are actually doing something.
Meh. It has been the same sucker game for decades, and this is just another round of those who think it will be any different lapping it up, blathering about "Rights" which only work for them if they take away someone else's Rights--which is wrong.
Either Rights are Rights for everyone, or they aren't anything but another tilt in the playing field, and not a Right at all.
You can't compensate for past wrongs by creating another group of people who have been screwed, but the controversy sure grants an opportunity to make it look like you are doing something, and keeps the penny stinkers at each others' throats long enough to keep your slimy ass in power. Whatta racket, whatta deal!
THESE PEOPLE PARTY TOGETHER, DESPITE THE KABUKE FOR THE CAMERAS.
Duh!
Like the small scale drama in every courtroom where the prosecutor and defense attorneys seem to be at each other's throats and then go eat at the same table in the courthouse cafe for lunch.
Lay out the simple metric of what would have happened to you if you had been caught pulling the sh*t that Hillary, Obama, Bill Clinton, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, the whole inbred frigging cast of characters in the 'Russia' probe and a multitude of unprosecuted unindicted co-conspirators have pulled. It has been going on for decades, survive until the changing of the guard and you're home free! Faithful minions will be rewarded! The unfaithful will have 'accidents', be discredited and shunned (whether they did anything to deserve that or not), or be discrediteed as "conspiracy kooks" when they try to blow the whistle.
Where would you be?
In a Federal cell with some SOB who just might shorten your lifespan, that's where, for just one count of things they have admittedly done over 30,000 times--if not found shot in the back with all your valuables as a victim of a 'botched robbery', or in some obscure park with a couple of 'suicide notes' found well after the fact, in different locations. Your plane might have troubles, your car catch fire in your garage as you are pulling in, all sorts of misfortune might befall you. You can run, but that whole national security apparatus will find you if they want to.
Where are they, the insiders, the members of the 'club'? Still in the same jobs, still in the limelight, still raking it in, with the newsreaders making all sorts of lame-assed excuses for why they haven't been prosecuted, when you know damned well you'd be in irons.
If you had pulled the Jussie Smolette thing without having Kamala Harris as your Auntie, where would you be?
In custody, and if you weren't black to begin with, a pissed off CPD would likely have added that and blue to your complexion.
Yet he walks.
The last veil came off last presidential primary for me. We didn't have one. No chance to vote on who the candidate would be. That's right, the GOP muckety-mucks in this state decided what bone we'd be tossed to vote for against Hillary. Eff'em. I voted third (Constitution) Party. I like the Platform better, and despite the lack of polish the well groomed figureheads for the other parties had, found more sincerity there. I am no longer a Republican, the scales have dropped from my eyes.
Every day these people stall, stay out of jail, hold off on prosecutions is worth billions of dollars. The Chinese make the designer drugs, ship them to Mexico. The Fentanyl goes in, is mixed with the opium from Afghanistan, the coke comes from points South, the meth is made right there, with precursors form China or elsewhere, (ever wonder why we have a heroin problem every frigging time we are engaged militarily in a region that, well, is known for opium? I thought we'd learned our lesson in SE Asia 50 years ago with the drug mess here at home, but it's baack! ). Carted/walked/driven/shipped/ drone dropped/flown in in bulk, brought in under diplomatic seal, and distributed throughout the United States by imported Cartel members and Gangs from elsewhere, to the outstanding profit of someone out there, not to mention the slave trade (sex slaves are guaranteed one thing the slaves of the 1800's were not, they are going to be used, and not to pick cotton, and in the end their lives are cheap for the really demented--live show at 5, DVDs or files for sale, and extra to play). Huge frigging money, at least a billion dollars a day changes hands.
All the while we are told 'negotiations are in progress', we're going to stop this, control that, WELL, WHERE ARE THE RESULTS? what stopped? Those impressive piles of drugs and money? Meh. Less than a days business.
Our sons and daughters, nieces and nephews are on the front lines of this fight, often with their hands tied by ROE which cannot work, by lack of support from the people who crow about putting them there (for political gain), and yet, who earnestly try to stem the flow of illegal trade in people, drugs, and whatever else across our borders, while others (treasonously) orchestrate the very forces which overwhelm the limited resources which our defenders have been given.
The Caravans are no accident, but they are the smokescreen for much more.
They are all in the same club, folks, Carlin is right. Put on your big girl panties and listen up. It's the scam of the century, has been since Jekyll Island, and odds are full on you are not in the club.
Every word true @Smokin Joe! I hate it with every fiber of my being but, due to my considerably long life experience, know that what you laid out above is the exact lay of the land.
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You are the excuse for the NT's. Wear it proud.
It isn't so much Trump I have the problem with, but some of his worshipers can't see the Emperor's wardrobe is a few threads shy of being there. If all you have in answer to valid criticism is the liberal cry of "Hate!", you're plumb out of arguments.
Either the border problem gets solved, or it doesn't. So far, it isn't. Period.
Now point your little stinky finger at whoever or whatever you want to, but shooting the messengers won't build another inch of wall, and wont' slow the next thousand illegals down one bit.
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Trump is so full of himself it's ridiculous. He once again is paying lip service to his supporters and they are buying into his rhetoric. Meanwhile we have hundreds of thousands who our pouring over our borders and no one truly knows how many have gotten past border patrol or how many border patrol has been forced to let through.
WE NEED OUR MILITARY AT THE BORDER!!!! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
There is military on the border. The problem is that the military can't use their weapons...Posse Comitus Act. It takes the approval of Congress in order for them to actually be able to use their weapons to stop the invasion. Congress is owned by the open border lobbies, so I won't hold my breath waiting. PDJT is using one of the few tools he has to stop this invasion. Wouldn't it be nice if the Rs in Congress would actually support our President? Vote the bums out.
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There is military on the border. The problem is that the military can't use their weapons...Posse Comitus Act. It takes the approval of Congress in order for them to actually be able to use their weapons to stop the invasion. Congress is owned by the open border lobbies, so I won't hold my breath waiting. PDJT is using one of the few tools he has to stop this invasion. Wouldn't it be nice if the Rs in Congress would actually support our President? Vote the bums out.
First I've heard of the act you mention. I always was under the impression that our Commander in Chief had the full authority to direct the military. Do you have a link or additional information? Secondly, it has been reported that our military is there to assist in processing paperwork and babysitting. Hardly good use of our fine military.
Yes, I get that he is trying to use his last ditch effort, but that doesn't negate the fact that much of the agreement was already agreed upon prior to him makingt his grand announcement. Further he stated that details will be forthcoming. Red flag for me. This agreement is merely sending ILLEGALS back to be processed for asylum, and does not negate the fact the he's already agreed to allow the U.N. to place those seeking asylum; including into the U.S. Closing down the border and refusing anyone further asylum would be a much more aggressive and send a much different message to those still coming in. The only thing this is doing, is continuing to invite them in as they know that there is a chance that they will be granted asylum and eligible to apply for citizenship in just a short time; all paid for by you and I and they will be cared for once they get here. The invitation to come across our open borders is still there. That is what needs to be stopped! Every time he makes an announcement of what he's going to do, he back pedals. It's time for him to quit bluffing and actually do something!
I find it very hard to believe that the Mexican government is going to be able to control the influx of illegals waiting for processing better than our border patrol who has been reporting for quite sometime that they are overwhelmed and busting at the seams, so much so that they are just letting many through without being screened even for diseases. So, Mexico has a better border patrol and more adequate barriers than we do? Seriously?
BTW, welcome to the Briefing Room. happy77
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https://www.northcom.mil/Newsroom/Fact-Sheets/Article-View/Article/563993/the-posse-comitatus-act/ (https://www.northcom.mil/Newsroom/Fact-Sheets/Article-View/Article/563993/the-posse-comitatus-act/)
The Posse Comitatus Act
May 16, 2013
Section 1385 of Title 18, United States Code (USC), states:
“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.â€
The PCA does not apply to the U.S. Coast Guard in peacetime or to the National Guard in Title 32 or State Active Duty status. The substantive prohibitions of the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA) were extended to all the services with the enactment of Title 10 USC, Section 375. As required by Title 10 USC, Section 375 the secretary of defense issued Department of Defense Directive 5525.5, which precludes members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps from direct participation in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.
The PCA generally prohibits U.S. military personnel from direct participation in law enforcement activities. Some of those law enforcement activities would include interdicting vehicles, vessels, and aircraft; conducting surveillance, searches, pursuit and seizures; or making arrests on behalf of civilian law enforcement authorities. Prohibiting direct military involvement in law enforcement is in keeping with long-standing U.S. law and policy limiting the military’s role in domestic affairs.
The United States Congress has enacted a number of exceptions to the PCA that allow the military, in certain situations, to assist civilian law enforcement agencies in enforcing the laws of the U.S. The most common example is counterdrug assistance (Title 10 USC, Sections 371-381). Other examples include:
The Insurrection Act (Title 10 USC, Sections 331-335). This act allows the president to use U.S. military personnel at the request of a state legislature or governor to suppress insurrections. It also allows the president to use federal troops to enforce federal laws when rebellion against the authority of the U.S. makes it impracticable to enforce the laws of the U.S.
Assistance in the case of crimes involving nuclear materials (Title 18 USC, Section 831). This statute permits DoD personnel to assist the Justice Department in enforcing prohibitions regarding nuclear materials, when the attorney general and the secretary of defense jointly determine that an “emergency situation†exists that poses a serious threat to U.S. interests and is beyond the capability of civilian law enforcement agencies.
Emergency situations involving chemical or biological weapons of mass destruction (Title 10 USC, Section 382). When the attorney general and the secretary of defense jointly determine that an “emergency situation†exists that poses a serious threat to U.S. interests and is beyond the capability of civilian law enforcement agencies. DoD personnel may assist the Justice Department in enforcing prohibitions regarding biological or chemical weapons of mass destruction.
Military support to civilian law enforcement is carried out in strict compliance with the Constitution and U.S. laws and under the direction of the president and secretary of defense.
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Lol, who didn't see this coming... Threat, rescind threat.
@edpc
@Sighlass
Yes, plus he was not in the meeting with Mexico representatives, didn't face them, plus he never faces anyone he fires, does it with Twitter. Yells/stomps feet on Twitter. Using Trump type words: "Trump is the Best/worst liar the world has ever known."
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??? A little confused with all these acts, especially with the Constitution naming POTUS as Commander in Chief.
What about the War Powers Resolution? Presidents have sent troops to battle without an official war declaration as in the case in Korea and Vietnam.
The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF)....
After September 11, the United States Congress passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force against Terrorists (AUMF). While the AUMF did not officially declare war, the legislation provided the President with more authority upon which to exercise his constitutional powers as Commander in Chief....
Which brings up another point --- why hasn't the Mexican drug cartels been declared terrorists?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/commander_in_chief_powers (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/commander_in_chief_powers)
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First I've heard of the act you mention. I always was under the impression that our Commander in Chief had the full authority to direct the military. Do you have a link or additional information? Secondly, it has been reported that our military is there to assist in processing paperwork and babysitting. Hardly good use of our fine military.
Yes, I get that he is trying to use his last ditch effort, but that doesn't negate the fact that much of the agreement was already agreed upon prior to him makingt his grand announcement. Further he stated that details will be forthcoming. Red flag for me. This agreement is merely sending ILLEGALS back to be processed for asylum, and does not negate the fact the he's already agreed to allow the U.N. to place those seeking asylum; including into the U.S. Closing down the border and refusing anyone further asylum would be a much more aggressive and send a much different message to those still coming in. The only thing this is doing, is continuing to invite them in as they know that there is a chance that they will be granted asylum and eligible to apply for citizenship in just a short time; all paid for by you and I and they will be cared for once they get here. The invitation to come across our open borders is still there. That is what needs to be stopped! Every time he makes an announcement of what he's going to do, he back pedals. It's time for him to quit bluffing and actually do something!
I find it very hard to believe that the Mexican government is going to be able to control the influx of illegals waiting for processing better than our border patrol who has been reporting for quite sometime that they are overwhelmed and busting at the seams, so much so that they are just letting many through without being screened even for diseases. So, Mexico has a better border patrol and more adequate barriers than we do? Seriously?
BTW, welcome to the Briefing Room. happy77
I read that Trump originally wanted in the deal that Immigrants actually take refuge permanently in the first safe country which would be Mexico. No asylum in the United States. But as usual he backed down.
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??? A little confused with all these acts, especially with the Constitution naming POTUS as Commander in Chief.
What about the War Powers Resolution? Presidents have sent troops to battle without an official war declaration as in the case in Korea and Vietnam.
The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF)....
After September 11, the United States Congress passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force against Terrorists (AUMF). While the AUMF did not officially declare war, the legislation provided the President with more authority upon which to exercise his constitutional powers as Commander in Chief....
Which brings up another point --- why hasn't the Mexican drug cartels been declared terrorists?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/commander_in_chief_powers (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/commander_in_chief_powers)
If he would designate Cartel as terrorists he could use the military.
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@edpc
@Sighlass
Yes, plus he was not in the meeting with Mexico representatives, didn't face them, plus he never faces anyone he fires, does it with Twitter. Yells/stomps feet on Twitter. Using Trump type words: "Trump is the Best/worst liar the world has ever known."
He should have been present in those meetings. We are not addressing the problem which is Mexico. It is their inability to reign in the criminal Drug Cartels. They are driving the immigrants. Every one of them goes through the Drug Cartel and many are forced to bring drugs with them.
Secondly the most important thing that we need to do is stop the free benefits. Before they even leave their home country they know once they get here we will give them housing, jobs, healthcare, dental, vision. Help with English. Priority for their children in our schools.
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Lol, who didn't see this coming... Threat, rescind threat.
Actually @Sighlass the tariffs are still on the table, they are merely suspended. If Mexico does not deliver on the agreement, they will be implemented.
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He should have been present in those meetings.
Why?
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If he would designate Cartel as terrorists he could use the military.
We're not going to war with Mexico. :laugh:
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@edpc
@Sighlass
Yes, plus he was not in the meeting with Mexico representatives, didn't face them,
No CEO meets with second and third stringers. This is what the team is for. The CEO says yeah or nay ....
How do you not know this?
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If he would designate Cartel as terrorists he could use the military.
@Chosen Daughter Rep. Chip Roy has introduced a bill in the House to do just that but the appropriate Committee has not even considered it.
Rep. Chip Roy Releases Bill Asking Sec. Pompeo To Designate Cartels Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs)
March 12, 2019
Press Release
WASHINGTON--Rep. Chip Roy released the following statement Tuesday regarding his bill to direct Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to submit a report to Congress on the designation of certain Mexican drug cartels as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs):
“Cartels are the problem and it is time we started acting like it,†Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) said. “My colleague Rep. Mark Green (R-TN) and I are asking Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to conduct a review in order to designate these specific Mexican drug cartels Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs).â€
Reps. Roy and Green are requesting the Secretary of State review of the following cartels:
•The Reynosa/Los Metros faction of the Gulf Cartel
•The Jalisco New Generation Cartel
•The Cartel Del Noreste faction of Los Zetas
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https://roy.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-chip-roy-releases-bill-asking-sec-pompeo-designate-cartels-foreign (https://roy.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-chip-roy-releases-bill-asking-sec-pompeo-designate-cartels-foreign)
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I read that Trump originally wanted in the deal that Immigrants actually take refuge permanently in the first safe country which would be Mexico. No asylum in the United States. But as usual he backed down.
That may still happen. The door has been left open to see how much progress has been made in 3 months.
I'm more than a little surprised by all the criticism of Trump on this deal. He's making real progress and he's doing it with all the Rats fighting him, Pubs undercutting him on using the one lever he has (tariffs) and the courts restricting his exercise of executive power. Also, Mexico is a sovereign nation and Trump can't just tell them he wants everything his way without giving them some room to maintain their national pride with their populous. Mexico doesn't want and can't afford to be designated a first safe country. I'm optimistic things are going to improve, if they don't Mexico knows they may get stuck with all these people.
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We're not going to war with Mexico. :laugh:
That's not the point ... he could use the military to line the border to defend this country against the drug cartels.
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Exactly. Anyone who thinks that these caravans are here by mistake is living in a bubble and anyone who is believing this President's lip service needs to get their heads out of the sand and open their eyes.
Still beating on the one man on your side; a counterproductive strategy, IMO. The President is the man carving pathways around a globalist Congress and a runaway judiciary to get the job done, but you are hell bent on blaming him while ignoring the obstruction in the legislature and the courts.
For the most part your posts are mind numbing in their repetition, ignoring the responses from other Briefers pointing out the facts you're missing. Your raison d'être is to beat on the President and ridicule everything he does to wrestle control of our border from congress and the courts.
It's as though beating on the President fills your days with purpose. Sad.
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Why?
So if the meetings breakdown Trump can be blamed, or accused of micro managing.
We really should be happy he has a capable staff and progress is being made.
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That may still happen. The door has been left open to see how much progress has been made in 3 months.
I'm more than a little surprised by all the criticism of Trump on this deal. He's making real progress and he's doing it with all the Rats fighting him, Pubs undercutting him on using the one lever he has (tariffs) and the courts restricting his exercise of executive power. Also, Mexico is a sovereign nation and Trump can't just tell them he wants everything his way without giving them some room to maintain their national pride with their populous. Mexico doesn't want and can't afford to be designated a first safe country. I'm optimistic things are going to improve, if they don't Mexico knows they may get stuck with all these people.
3 months? Perhaps that seems like a short time, but considering the hundreds of thousands have been pouring in for at least the last 3 months, that's a very long time in this scenario. 9999hair out0000
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3 months? Perhaps that seems like a short time, but considering the hundreds of thousands have been pouring in for at least the last 3 months, that's a very long time in this scenario. 9999hair out0000
We're not going to war with Mexico.
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That's not the point ... he could use the military to line the border to defend this country against the drug cartels.
And what happens when a soldier shoots and kills a woman sneaking her baby across the border with her in the middle of the night?
Our military is exceptional at killing our enemies, but the media melts down whenever there is collateral damage and our politicians don't defend them.
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Still beating on the one man on your side; a counterproductive strategy, IMO. The President is the man carving pathways around a globalist Congress and a runaway judiciary to get the job done, but you are hell bent on blaming him while ignoring the obstruction in the legislature and the courts.
For the most part your posts are mind numbing in their repetition, ignoring the responses from other Briefers pointing out the facts you're missing. Your raison d'être is to beat on the President and ridicule everything he does to wrestle control of our border from congress and the courts.
It's as though beating on the President fills your days with purpose. Sad.
Come on @Right_in_Virginia though not a Trump supporter I do point out and pat him on the back when he deserves credit.
He sucks on the border crisis BIGLY! That IS my complaint with him. Many of these people coming across feel that this is their land, not ours!
I'll ask the question again -- the agreement is for Mexico to keep ILLEGALS in Mexico until such time as they are processed for asylum. The question is --- Are we to believe that Mexico has a better border patrol and more adequate barriers and control of their borders than we do?? If that were the case ... why is our border patrol reporting that they are overwhelmed and busting at the seams? Are we to believe that they have better control of their border and more room to hold these people than the U.S.?? Seriously??
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And what happens when a soldier shoots and kills a woman sneaking her baby across the border with her in the middle of the night?
Our military is exceptional at killing our enemies, but the media melts down whenever there is collateral damage and our politicians don't defend them.
It boils down to two things -- them or us. Our enemies have murdered, raped, terrorized U.S. citizens and that is ok, but God forbid if we apprehend and return them or shoot at them coming across ILLEGALLY!!! Got it!
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3 months? Perhaps that seems like a short time, but considering the hundreds of thousands have been pouring in for at least the last 3 months, that's a very long time in this scenario. 9999hair out0000
I can understand frustration that everything hasn't already been done. I see the consequences in my business. In the grand scheme of things 3 months is an incredibly short time frame and the pressure Mexico is feeling is immense. They know full well that tariffs would devastate their economy. We are their largest trading partner and is the USCM ever is approved we will both benefit greatly. Also, they don't want to be stuck with first safe nation status because they can't handle the burden.
Trump deserves our support and praise. He's done more with less help than any POTUS I can recall.
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It boils down to two things -- them or us. Our enemies have murdered, raped, terrorized U.S. citizens and that is ok, but God forbid if we apprehend and return them or shoot at them coming across ILLEGALLY!!! Got it!
We may not like it, but it's reality.
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I can understand frustration that everything hasn't already been done. I see the consequences in my business. In the grand scheme of things 3 months is an incredibly short time frame and the pressure Mexico is feeling is immense. They know full well that tariffs would devastate their economy. We are their largest trading partner and is the USCM ever is approved we will both benefit greatly. Also, they don't want to be stuck with first safe nation status because they can't handle the burden.
Trump deserves our support and praise. He's done more with less help than any POTUS I can recall.
Trump deserves our support and praise when warranted. Patting him on the back because people will supposedly be in some kind of a holding pattern, before being granting asylum, is not one of them. Once asylum is granted, they are eligible to apply for citizenship within 5 years. That isn't curtailing those wanting to come here, it is continuing to invite them in!!!
Slapping tariffs on Mexico WILL hurt our economy as well. There is no doubt. That's not even the issue. The issue is he is doing NOTHING to de-incentivize those that want to come here. Instead ... he has agreed to allow the UN to place those seeking asylum; which includes the U.S. That's an invitation for ILLEGALS to keep coming.
With his declaration of a national emergency, he should have shut down the border and declared a moratorium on ALL migration and ALL asylum until further notice, and also announced that those coming across WILL be considered an enemy of the U.S.
Secondly, and most importantly, he needs to stop back pedaling every time he makes a threat; it makes him look very weak and other countries are learning to call his bluff; obviously so, because we now have ILLEGALS coming in from 50 different countries!
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Come on @Right_in_Virginia though not a Trump supporter I do point out and pat him on the back when he deserves credit.
He sucks on the border crisis BIGLY!
No, the President does not. How quickly you forget we would not even be talking about this if it were not for Donald J. Trump.
You apparently are also forgetting we do not have a king ...ignoring that POTUS must deal with two dysfunctional, yet coequal, branches of government obstructing his every effort. Congress and the courts suck BIGLY! on the border crisis.
If you can't see this, if you don't understand this, then I expect you to continue to run around the forum with you hair on fire crapping all over the one soul in Washington who cares about you and our borders.
And you can expect your credibility with me to be zero.
That's all. I'm done.
Enjoy your Sunday.
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We may not like it, but it's reality.
So ... go ahead. Keep accepting that ILLEGALS have more rights than we do. Take a look at Europe. If that's ok with you, then you should have no problem in another 6 mos.
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No, the President does not. How quickly you forget we would not even be talking about this if it were not for Donald J. Trump.
You apparently are also forgetting we do not have a king ...ignoring that POTUS must deal with two dysfunctional, yet coequal, branches of government obstructing his every effort. Congress and the courts suck BIGLY! on the border crisis.
If you can't see this, if you don't understand this, then I expect you to continue to run around the forum with you hair on fire crapping all over the one soul in Washington who cares about you and our borders.
And you can expect your credibility with me to be zero.
That's all. I'm done.
Enjoy your Sunday.
Same old rhetoric from you. Keep your head buried in the sand and REFUSE to acknowledge he is FAILING!!! He's not king, but he needs to start acting like the President in this matter and quit playing blame games and back pedaling.
The feeling is very mutual; your credibility with me is -0- as well.
Yep ... have a pleasant Sunday!
Done as well with you.
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It's totally understandable that some Borderland Senators waffled on this issue, their states stand to lose jobs.
Florida actually does do a lot of business with Mexico as well, though, it is not a border state. I've really got to hand it to Rubio for defining conservatism here.
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No, the President does not. How quickly you forget we would not even be talking about this if it were not for Donald J. Trump.
You apparently are also forgetting we do not have a king ...ignoring that POTUS must deal with two dysfunctional, yet coequal, branches of government obstructing his every effort. Congress and the courts suck BIGLY! on the border crisis.
If you can't see this, if you don't understand this, then I expect you to continue to run around the forum with you hair on fire crapping all over the one soul in Washington who cares about you and our borders.
And you can expect your credibility with me to be zero.
That's all. I'm done.
Enjoy your Sunday.
Trump did well, if one has doubts, just see what borderland hawks think, see what people like Levine think.
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Trump deserves our support and praise when warranted. Patting him on the back because people will supposedly be in some kind of a holding pattern, before being granting asylum, is not one of them. Once asylum is granted, they are eligible to apply for citizenship within 5 years. That isn't curtailing those wanting to come here, it is continuing to invite them in!!!
Slapping tariffs on Mexico WILL hurt our economy as well. There is no doubt. That's not even the issue. The issue is he is doing NOTHING to de-incentivize those that want to come here. Instead ... he has agreed to allow the UN to place those seeking asylum; which includes the U.S. That's an invitation for ILLEGALS to keep coming.
With his declaration of a national emergency, he should have shut down the border and declared a moratorium on ALL migration and ALL asylum until further notice, and also announced that those coming across WILL be considered an enemy of the U.S.
Secondly, and most importantly, he needs to stop back pedaling every time he makes a threat; it makes him look very weak and other countries are learning to call his bluff; obviously so, because we now have ILLEGALS coming in from 50 different countries!
Apparently, you are unaware that there is a 2 year backlog in hearing cases and in over 90% of the cases the claim is denied.
In this deal with Mexico, these people will be waiting in Mexico (not a very hospitable environment). The illegals will not get a work permit for the USA, since they are not in the USA and they will have a hard time paying the cartels. This deal should impact those that make money trafficking people and reduce the incentive for people to claim asylum because nobody is going to want to be stuck in Mexico for 2 years.
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So ... go ahead. Keep accepting that ILLEGALS have more rights than we do. Take a look at Europe. If that's ok with you, then you should have no problem in another 6 mos.
Now you sound like a liberal lunatic. The facts don't work to your benefit so you make wild accusations about the messenger.
If you are so blinded by your rage that you can't see real progress is being made that's your problem.
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Trump did well, if one has doubts, just see what borderland hawks think, see what people like Levine think.
I'm with you!
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Apparently, you are unaware that there is a 2 year backlog in hearing cases and in over 90% of the cases the claim is denied.
In this deal with Mexico, these people will be waiting in Mexico (not a very hospitable environment). The illegals will not get a work permit for the USA, since they are not in the USA and they will have a hard time paying the cartels. This deal should impact those that make money trafficking people and reduce the incentive for people to claim asylum because nobody is going to want to be stuck in Mexico for 2 years.
So, there is a backlog. A backlog that shouldn't be in the first place. IF Trump had declared NO more asylum and shut the border down, we wouldn't have the backlog. If Trump had stopped the incentives to come here, they wouldn't continue to pour over our borders, that's my frustration.
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So, there is a backlog. A backlog that shouldn't be in the first place. IF Trump had declared NO more asylum and shut the border down, we wouldn't have the backlog. If Trump had stopped the incentives to come here, they wouldn't continue to pour over our borders, that's my frustration.
Not so. The US cannot simply refuse to hear the asylum claims that have already been lodged. Those cases must still be heard.
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Trump did well, if one has doubts, just see what borderland hawks think, see what people like Levine think.
This borderland hawk is waiting to see. 888mouth
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Now you sound like a liberal lunatic. The facts don't work to your benefit so you make wild accusations about the messenger.
If you are so blinded by your rage that you can't see real progress is being made that's your problem.
Not, not blinded by rage and certainly apologize if you took that as an accusation. That was perhaps out of line on my part. My accusation is that if something is not done at the border and we do nothing to curb the invitation to come here, we will be another Europe.
What progress is truly being made at the border? Please if there is something that I am missing, spell it out. The only thing that I see is that the number of those waiting for asylum is growing The numbers not getting processed are staggering. Asylum seekers will eventually be eligible to apply for citizenship. I don't see this as a winning situation. Please, what am I missing that Trump is accomplishing other than that? Yes, he's brought the situation to focus, but in doing so, they are now coming here in an unprecedented number.
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Now you sound like a liberal lunatic. The facts don't work to your benefit so you make wild accusations about the messenger.
If you are so blinded by your rage that you can't see real progress is being made that's your problem.
I think you should refrain from calling people concerned about the state of our border libera lunatics. We didn't get to these raised emotional posts on a political board because we have seen progress from the Trump administration on illegal immigration. In fact illegal immigration has taken a back seat to Mueller investigation for this entire presidency. I know that @libertybele and myself have seen trends by the President that have been harmful and confusing. Giving Mexico a year. That was widely reported and raised the level of frustration among the people. Obviously our paid representative are not affected like we are. I don't make lots of money yet am forced to raise the families of illegal immigrant.
Illegal immigration has exploded, yes exploded to the point of Border Patrol claiming they are no longer in control. There are reports also of ISIS and drug Cartel. There are reports of Typhoid and people dying in detention centers where we are blamed. The immigrants make dangerous journeys where they put small children at risk. They get sick and die. Our border Patrol no longer patrols but is a baby sitting unit. Border Patrol is busy lifting people out of the Rio Grand so they don't drown. Saving people in the desert from dehydration. And all of it comes down to the criminal Drug Cartel and the promise of free stuff. So excuse some of us for being concerned that our Border Patrol is reporting chaos under this administration.
Some people just don't care. They make enough money that increased local and property tax to pay for illegal immigrants isn't an issue to them. They don't worry about the cost of supporting other people's families who are given better care than our own. Maybe some are even benefiting from illegal immigration.
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The reality of the matter is that NOTHING has changed with the latest talks! Trump supporters have bought into his latest 'tweets' and are patting him on the back! Unbelievable. What are they patting him on the back for?? The fact still remains that Trump threatened with a tariff then actually back pedaled, proclaiming that a deal has been reached so that he's suspending the tariffs! His supporters, buy into his b.s. every time!
Consider the fact that Mexico has refused to name itself a safe third country in the past, and reportedly did so again during the most recent round of talks. “Such an agreement would stipulate that Mexico is a safe place for people fleeing Central America, and thus Central Americans arriving at the US-Mexico border would not be entitled to asylum hearings.
So in actuality, nothing changed with these recent round of talks. Of course ... all Trump has to do is claim fake news as an excuse. So ... the fact still remains that ILLEGALS will be kept in Mexico until they await asylum!! Back log or not. They will eventually get in -- from 50 different countries!
I'm absolutely amazed that Mexico has more room than the U.S. to hold all these people, that by the way are still at last count, coming in at a rate of 100,000 a month! I am also amazed that Mexico seems to have better barriers and control of their borders than the U.S....that's what Trump would have us believe. I declare b.s. Our border patrol has been screaming that they are overwhelmed at busting at the seams .... so ... glad Mexico has their act together now. /sacrcasm
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Does this thread need a "cooling off" period?
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It isn't so much Trump I have the problem with, but some of his worshipers can't see the Emperor's wardrobe is a few threads shy of being there.
@Smokin Joe
Ditto, ditto, and ditto again.
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Not so. The US cannot simply refuse to hear the asylum claims that have already been lodged. Those cases must still be heard.
They can if the applicant isn't Mexican or Canadian. :shrug:
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Whites won't like being a minority. Especially a minority that does not receive the benefits and special
treatment given now.
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Does this thread need a "cooling off" period?
Yes ... probably. 888high58888 happy77
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Does this thread need a "cooling off" period?
Does a dumpster fire need a cooling off period or more gasoline to burn itself out?
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Does a dumpster fire need a cooling off period or more gasoline to burn itself out?
:pondering:
You think like an Admin.
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:pondering:
You think like an Admin.
Been there. Done that. It is better being on the outside looking in..I say light it up. Burn the house down.
@corbe could you please play the appropriate Talking Heads song?
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Been there. Done that. It is better being on the outside looking in..I say light it up. Burn the house down.
@corbe could you please play the appropriate Talking Heads song?
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBUe_v6Mi70#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBUe_v6Mi70 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBUe_v6Mi70)
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Been there. Done that. It is better being on the outside looking in..I say light it up. Burn the house down.
With great power come great responsibility. With greater power comes even greater responsibility. rrthree
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Been there. Done that. It is better being on the outside looking in..I say light it up. Burn the house down.
@corbe could you please play the appropriate Talking Heads song?
We Didn't Start the Fire
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9S5EZgIJck&ytbChannel=MrElfgard#)
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The greatest singer who ever lived!
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PLq0_7k1jk#)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOIo4lEpsPY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOIo4lEpsPY#)
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The Marshall Tucker Band - Fire on the Mountain
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uMWbZj-gWg#)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U9OfbVyCyQ#)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XCbfAzOq9c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XCbfAzOq9c#)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvCyFHWBUlc#)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMCl9eOBlsY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMCl9eOBlsY#)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE#)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMCl9eOBlsY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMCl9eOBlsY#)
Come on baby light my fire.....
I have been looking at Mexican news. Interesting read. By next year the country could look like Venezuela. And the article state his bad policy concerning the drug cartel has made his first part of his term the bloodiest:
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/incompetent-bureaucrats-and-doomed-policies/ (https://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/incompetent-bureaucrats-and-doomed-policies/)
Ewe! This is how Mexico runs its government?
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/trailer-containing-157-bodies-angers-residents/ (https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/trailer-containing-157-bodies-angers-residents/)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE#)
Smallest drum set I've ever seen Carl Palmer play....
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We're not going to war with Mexico.
Well, that's a dirty rotten shame. They've been at war with us for decades.
You just don't seem to grasp the concept of asymmetrical warfare.
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Well, that's a dirty rotten shame. They've been at war with us for decades.
You just don't seem to grasp the concept of asymmetrical warfare.
They certainly have. Its been a long drawn out process.
People should look around. Our country is enslaved to the Drug Cartel. The homeless problem is a direct result of Drug Cartel. Every major city that is falling apart has Mexico's name on it. Every family that suffers drug addiction. Every park that has used needles. Every school that is overrun by gang violence...………. I could go on and on. Fact is that Mexico has been taking our country over for a long time and we have let them. Our politicians with the lure of cheap labor and votes.
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Watch if you don't think we are at war:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=drug+cartel+and+seattle&view=detail&mid=4BEBC8DEA1DC3E3910484BEBC8DEA1DC3E391048&FORM=VIRE (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=drug+cartel+and+seattle&view=detail&mid=4BEBC8DEA1DC3E3910484BEBC8DEA1DC3E391048&FORM=VIRE)
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They certainly have. Its been a long drawn out process.
People should look around. Our country is enslaved to the Drug Cartel. The homeless problem is a direct result of Drug Cartel. Every major city that is falling apart has Mexico's name on it. Every family that suffers drug addiction. Every park that has used needles. Every school that is overrun by gang violence...………. I could go on and on. Fact is that Mexico has been taking our country over for a long time and we have let them. Our politicians with the lure of cheap labor and votes.
Gee... and the gov't is still trying to defend their 'practices' of their war on drugs. It doesn't help that we have drug lords on this side of the border, of which some in gov't have their hands in. As a result we now have an opioid epidemic and an invasion of ILLEGALS and a drug crisis.
Yet in his infinite wisdom, Trump decides NOT to shut down the border, granting asylum for those who come here and threaten Mexico with tariffs. He would also have you believe that Mexico is going to be able to contain these people waiting to be processed! No worries ... there is no plan as of yet to ensure that the caravans/trains stop coming!
Oh, did I mention that someone posted an article that Mexico attempted to arrest hundreds on a train coming in -- yep -- it was so successful, that most were able to exit and hide in the bushes. But...they were able to arrest 25! 25 out of hundreds and if we look at the bigger picture; 25 out of how many hundreds of thousands that have already made it in?
ALL these illegals will soon be coming to a town near you. All compliments of FAILURES on behalf of our President, and a worthless Congress!
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Trump threatens more tariffs on Mexico over part of immigration deal
4 hrs ago
WASHINGTON, June 10 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Monday the United States had signed another portion of an immigration and security deal with Mexico that would need to be ratified by Mexican lawmakers.
He did not provide details but threatened tariffs if Mexico's Congress did not approve the plan.
"We have fully signed and documented another very important part of the Immigration and Security deal with Mexico, one that the U.S. has been asking about getting for many years. It will be revealed in the not too distant future and will need a vote by Mexico's legislative body," Trump tweeted.
"We do not anticipate a problem with the vote but, if for any reason the approval is not forthcoming, tariffs will be reinstated."
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-more-tariffs-on-mexico-over-part-of-immigration-deal/ar-AACEQNW?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-more-tariffs-on-mexico-over-part-of-immigration-deal/ar-AACEQNW?ocid=ientp)
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:boring:
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Grateful Dead - Fire on the Mountain
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAhEi7W1ib0#)
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"We have fully signed and documented another very important part of the Immigration and Security deal with Mexico, one that the U.S. has been asking about getting for many years. It will be revealed in the not too distant future and will need a vote by Mexico's legislative body," Trump tweeted.
I'm sure the Mexican Congress respects Trump just as much as our own House of Representatives. The days of illegal immigrants flooding our border are over. /sarc
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Trump threatens more tariffs on Mexico over part of immigration deal
4 hrs ago
WASHINGTON, June 10 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Monday the United States had signed another portion of an immigration and security deal with Mexico that would need to be ratified by Mexican lawmakers.
He did not provide details but threatened tariffs if Mexico's Congress did not approve the plan.
"We have fully signed and documented another very important part of the Immigration and Security deal with Mexico, one that the U.S. has been asking about getting for many years. It will be revealed in the not too distant future and will need a vote by Mexico's legislative body," Trump tweeted.
"We do not anticipate a problem with the vote but, if for any reason the approval is not forthcoming, tariffs will be reinstated."
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-more-tariffs-on-mexico-over-part-of-immigration-deal/ar-AACEQNW?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-more-tariffs-on-mexico-over-part-of-immigration-deal/ar-AACEQNW?ocid=ientp)
Waiting for the great revelation!! Seriously....lot's of drama coming from his tweets!!
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Bob Seger - The Fire Down Below
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I'm sure the Mexican Congress respects Trump just as much as our own House of Representatives. The days of illegal immigrants flooding our border are over. /sarc
Hey ... that's what Chuckie said! :whistle:
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:boring:
What? Don't you like music? 88devil
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What? Don't you like music? 88devil
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQE_AQLeCGc#)
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This should totally trash the thread.
Die Antwoord - Baby on Fire (Afrikaans)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVY6bbKv-pE#)
Here is the official video, if you can handle it. Zef can be quite disturbing.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcXNPI-IPPM#)
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Certainly posting music videos is much more relaxing ... but it doesn't make the crisis at the border go away ... if only!
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Certainly posting music videos is much more relaxing ... but it doesn't make the crisis at the border go away ... if only!
Mexico simply isn't in position to save us from our own idiotic policies.
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Mexico simply isn't in position to save us from our own idiotic policies.
Exactly...most of us get that. For our president to proclaim this as a grand and glorious plan is very deceiving; and those that believe him ... well... they'll never see the writing on the wall. Sad.
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Die Antwoord - Baby on Fire (Afrikaans)
There were no babies on fire. disappointing.
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Exactly...most of us get that. For our president to proclaim this as a grand and glorious plan is very deceiving; and those that believe him ... well... they'll never see the writing on the wall. Sad.
What is your solution?
Do you seriously think by criticizing Trump and those who supported him, will make any difference?
Or do you simply use this forum, to relieve your pent up rage, and anger?
Get more exercize, get hobbies, watch different subjects. Find more balance.
Don't let your psersonal Trump Derangement Syndrome spoil your life.
Since 1986 illegal immigrants have been on notice, to get to America. They will likely find employment, they may get amnesty, they may get benefit, interior enforcement is lax to be generous.
Trump is the first President since Eisenhower, to try stemming the flow oof illegal immigrants.
Your anger should be directed towards those who obstructed doing anything meaningful.Start with Paul Ryan.
As strongly as you appear to feel on this issue, a sane position would be gratitude for Trump.
@libertybele
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a sane position would be gratitude for Trump.
not a cult
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What is your solution?
Do you seriously think by criticizing Trump and those who supported him, will make any difference?
Or do you simply use this forum, to relieve your pent up rage, and anger?
Get more exercize, get hobbies, watch different subjects. Find more balance.
Don't let your psersonal Trump Derangement Syndrome spoil your life.
Since 1986 illegal immigrants have been on notice, to get to America. They will likely find employment, they may get amnesty, they may get benefit, interior enforcement is lax to be generous.
Trump is the first President since Eisenhower, to try stemming the flow oof illegal immigrants.
Your anger should be directed towards those who obstructed doing anything meaningful.Start with Paul Ryan.
As strongly as you appear to feel on this issue, a sane position would be gratitude for Trump.
@libertybele
Anger? No. A sane position would be to acknowledge that Trump is deceiving this country and most importantly his supporters.
Sadness yes. We are losing our Republic. More ILLEGALS have invaded this country under Trump then under either Bammy or 'W'; yet, you say to thank him? That's sanity?
I get the hint. I will exit. :seeya:
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What is your solution?
For starters, we can end Catch-&-Release. There is no law nor judge ordering that the federal government release asylum seekers who cross the border illegally into the general population.
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For starters, we can end Catch-&-Release. There is no law nor judge ordering that the federal government release asylum seekers who cross the border illegally into the general population.
But wait, he already said he's ending it.... but it is his favorite.... but also says it is all his fault.... Oh well, just listen for yourself.... you'll understand....
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJngKWH6N2k?t=132#)
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For starters, we can end Catch-&-Release. There is no law nor judge ordering that the federal government release asylum seekers who cross the border illegally into the general population.
AMEN!
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AMEN!
@Sanguine
Under U.S. law, the Department of Homeland Security has the authority to enforce expedited removal. If illegal border crossers are apprehended within 100 miles of the border and 14 days of entry, immigration officers can quickly deport them. This practice accounts for almost half of all deportations from the U.S.
But there is a catch. If groups are apprehended crossing the border that claim to be family and have children, and submit an asylum claim, they cannot be put into expedited removal. Knowing this to be true, such groups have sought asylum, leading to a dramatic spike in asylum claims.
These groups know that up to 90 percent of asylum claims are rejected, but merely filing an asylum claim can get them into the country to await a hearing. Then, when their claim is rejected, they often fail to show up and are never deported.
The number of bogus family asylum claims at the border is becoming overwhelming for border officials, leaving the Department of Homeland Security with little legal option other than to release them into the U.S. The fact is that more and more, smugglers see this tactic as successful and are increasing the practice.
There are only three ways at present to help stop this insanity. One is adding more border security (like walls) to limit the number of illegal crossings to begin with. The second is to create sufficient detention space to hold apprehended groups until their asylum claims can be resolved. The third is to close the legal loopholes that allow migrants to take advantage of asylum.
Here’s the problem, though: All of these solutions require the cooperation of Congress, and the president’s political opposition in Congress is adamant about opposing the president on all of these. In fact, part of its opposition is to deny the crisis at the border even exists.
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/trump-administration-reverting-catch-and-release-congress-blame (https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/trump-administration-reverting-catch-and-release-congress-blame)
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For starters, we can end Catch-&-Release. There is no law nor judge ordering that the federal government release asylum seekers who cross the border illegally into the general population.
Yup, Congress can end Catch & Release tomorrow. The courts already shot down the President's EO ending it in 2018.
To keep asylum seekers in migrant camps, Congress has to authorize funding to build more facilities.
Might be a good time to call your Congresscritters @Hoodat :smokin:
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All of these solutions require the cooperation of Congress, and the president’s political opposition in Congress is adamant about opposing the president on all of these.
Uh, no. The Federal government has plenty of detention space. There are quite a few federal prisons that are completely vacant and unused. These are well within the power of the Executive Branch to man and equip. There are also military bases that are currently closed which still have barracks in place. And then there's Guantanamo.
In Texas alone, the federal government owns over 5,000 square miles of land. Put up barbed wire, set up tents and cots, and airdrop food in once a day. And if anyone gets sick of it, they can go right back across the border and wait there until their asylum hearing comes up.
And most importantly of all, anyone caught recrossing into the US after being deported once should be tried, prosecuted, and put in prison for the maximum sentence. I am sick and tired of hearing wimps cry about how Trump can't do anything because of Congress. Well, Congress never legalized health care, education, and food stamps for illegals. Yet the Trump Administration continues to hand them out. To hell with that.
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Yup, Congress can end Catch & Release tomorrow. The courts already shot down the President's EO ending it in 2018.
The courts did no such thing.
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The courts did no such thing.
Yes they did. And we can go back and forth on this and the children involved. But in all candor, who has that kind of free time?
PS @Hoodat .... Call your congresscritters and let them know what you want from them!! :patriot:
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Yes they did. And we can go back and forth on this and the children involved. But in all candor, who has that kind of free time?
Gee, you sure had the free time to make a false claim on these boards. Repeatedly.
PS @Hoodat .... Call your congresscritters and let them know what you want from them!! :patriot:
My Congressman can't make the President do his job. Catch-and-release is the President's policy - not Congress'.
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Yes they did.
link or it didn't happen
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What is your solution?
Do you seriously think by criticizing Trump and those who supported him, will make any difference?
Or do you simply use this forum, to relieve your pent up rage, and anger?
Get more exercize, get hobbies, watch different subjects. Find more balance.
Don't let your psersonal Trump Derangement Syndrome spoil your life.
Since 1986 illegal immigrants have been on notice, to get to America. They will likely find employment, they may get amnesty, they may get benefit, interior enforcement is lax to be generous.
Trump is the first President since Eisenhower, to try stemming the flow oof illegal immigrants.
Your anger should be directed towards those who obstructed doing anything meaningful.Start with Paul Ryan.
As strongly as you appear to feel on this issue, a sane position would be gratitude for Trump.
@libertybele
Seriously? Maybe the ladies could crochet a wall?
We could all pitch in and build one out of Legos.
Maybe each make a brick and take it south....
Just what hobby would you recommend to stop the problem at the border?
There is a lot that has happened concerning immigration, some of which might surprise you. For a decent timeline, see https://immigration.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000023 (https://immigration.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000023) (link only by request of the copyright holders.)
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Mr Ebrard said in his own news conference that such an agreement on the asylum changes does not exist.
An agreement announcement last Friday, he said, delayed the discussion needed by the Mexican senate. This gives Mexico time to prove to the president that would reduce the flow of immigration, which he has maintained is a problem.
Mr Ebrard says the understanding negotiators have reached relies on still more research and discussion.
“Let’s have a deadline to see if what we have works and if not, then we will sit down and look at the measures you propose and those that we propose,†he said, describing the ongoing process.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-us-mexico-deal-exists-163934825.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-us-mexico-deal-exists-163934825.html)
The tweet was BS. What a surprise.
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What is your solution?
Do you seriously think by criticizing Trump and those who supported him, will make any difference?
Or do you simply use this forum, to relieve your pent up rage, and anger?
Get more exercize, get hobbies, watch different subjects. Find more balance.
Don't let your psersonal Trump Derangement Syndrome spoil your life.
Since 1986 illegal immigrants have been on notice, to get to America. They will likely find employment, they may get amnesty, they may get benefit, interior enforcement is lax to be generous.
Trump is the first President since Eisenhower, to try stemming the flow oof illegal immigrants.
Your anger should be directed towards those who obstructed doing anything meaningful.Start with Paul Ryan.
As strongly as you appear to feel on this issue, a sane position would be gratitude for Trump.
@libertybele
..................Clap, clap, clap. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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A-holes...everyone! MITT IS DEMOCRAT. Same Mike Lee. Both mormons.
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The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP for NATIONAL EMERGENCY ON BORDER;
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,=FOR ILLEGALS. POS
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIyaIHsJbc#)
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A-holes...everyone! MITT IS DEMOCRAT. Same Mike Lee. Both mormons.
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The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP for NATIONAL EMERGENCY ON BORDER;
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,=FOR ILLEGALS. POS
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIyaIHsJbc#)
Want to guess which Utah Democrat is on the SCOTUS list? On top of everything, you use a decidedly leftist source like Vice to buttress your blithering nonsense. Good job. 👍
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-expands-list-of-possible-supreme-court-picks/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-expands-list-of-possible-supreme-court-picks/)
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Mr Ebrard said in his own news conference that such an agreement on the asylum changes does not exist.
An agreement announcement last Friday, he said, delayed the discussion needed by the Mexican senate. This gives Mexico time to prove to the president that would reduce the flow of immigration, which he has maintained is a problem.
Mr Ebrard says the understanding negotiators have reached relies on still more research and discussion.
“Let’s have a deadline to see if what we have works and if not, then we will sit down and look at the measures you propose and those that we propose,†he said, describing the ongoing process.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-us-mexico-deal-exists-163934825.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-us-mexico-deal-exists-163934825.html)
The tweet was BS. What a surprise.
****sheep****
No surprise. Do you know how to post the music video's. I tried but I don't know. I can't even post images anymore. I got a new computer and it doesn't work the same.
Just on the other side of the fence. Look what our neighbors are doing today.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/homicides-up-again-in-tijuana-overwhelming-morgue/ (https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/homicides-up-again-in-tijuana-overwhelming-morgue/)
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Trump threatens more tariffs if second, unrevealed accord not approved
But Mexico unaware of any other part of the new migration agreement
Monday, June 10, 2019
United States President Donald Trump today threatened to impose tariffs on Mexican exports if Mexico’s Congress doesn’t approve an unrevealed part of the migration agreement that the two countries reached last week.
“We have fully signed and documented another very important part of the immigration and security deal with Mexico, one that the U.S. has been asking about getting for many years. It will be revealed in the not too distant future and will need a vote by Mexico’s legislative body!†Trump said on Twitter.
“We do not anticipate a problem with the vote but, if for any reason the approval is not forthcoming, tariffs will be reinstated!â€
But Mexican officials seem unaware of any additional pact.
Foreign Secretary Marcelo Ebrard said today that there is no unrevealed part of the migration agreement and later posted the text of the deal to his Twitter account.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/trump-threatens-more-tariffs/
? Its a mystery.
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A-holes...everyone! MITT IS DEMOCRAT. Same Mike Lee. Both mormons.
Ma'am this is a McDonald's drive through.
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The media is extremely quiet in coverage of what's happening in Mexico. I thought there would be reports of the troops arriving on Mexico's Southern border. I know, I know its only been one day. I guess Trump gave them 45 days. And what is a significant reduction? There was no number. If June and July drop by 5, 10 or 15 thousand is that acceptable? Are we reducing or do we want to stop illegal immigration?
And there is that new AMCA that they now believe they can sign because of the victory. More migration! yeah!
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The media is extremely quiet in coverage of what's happening in Mexico. I thought there would be reports of the troops arriving on Mexico's Southern border. I know, I know its only been one day. I guess Trump gave them 45 days. And what is a significant reduction? There was no number. If June and July drop by 5, 10 or 15 thousand is that acceptable? Are we reducing or do we want to stop illegal immigration?
And there is that new AMCA that they now believe they can sign because of the victory. More migration! yeah!
That may be explainable in the first two words of your post: "The media..."
The rest is why I'm waiting to see.
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A-holes...everyone! MITT IS DEMOCRAT. Same Mike Lee. Both mormons.
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Some people are congenitally stupid and insist on proving it every day!
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I'd bet @Bigun that like a good little GOP'er she voted for Mitt in 2012.
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That may be explainable in the first two words of your post: "The media..."
The rest is why I'm waiting to see.
They don't have any kind of secure barrier. It will have to be sheer manpower and at the numbers they are coming in I don't feel encouraged.
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They don't have any kind of secure barrier. It will have to be sheer manpower and at the numbers they are coming in I don't feel encouraged.
Agreed. Any country being invaded is going to need two things at their border to prevent invasion or further invasion; some type of barrier at their border and manpower to push back. Mexico may have all the right intentions, but if they lack an adequate border and military to curtail what's going on, it's not going to happen.
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Agreed. Any country being invaded is going to need two things at their border to prevent invasion or further invasion; some type of barrier at their border and manpower to push back. Mexico may have all the right intentions, but if they lack an adequate border and military to curtail what's going on, it's not going to happen.
Look at the bright side: If Mexico has any kind of success as you describe, it will be more difficult for the Rats to declare we can't do anything, or that it's a manufactured crisis.
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Look at the bright side: If Mexico has any kind of success as you describe, it will be more difficult for the Rats to declare we can't do anything, or that it's a manufactured crisis.
I have to say this is positive. Mexico acknowledging that these extremist Marxist groups are human trafficking and are going to charge them.
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/mexico-draws-line-slaps-caravan-organizers/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/mexico-draws-line-slaps-caravan-organizers/)
And these people weren't coming because they love America. No, they had an agenda against America.
https://www.westernjournal.com/meet-radical-anti-u-s-marxists-behind-migrant-caravan/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/meet-radical-anti-u-s-marxists-behind-migrant-caravan/)
I would not be surprised at all if some of these charachters are tied to members of our Congress. We should do the same. Anyone involved should be arrested and charged with human trafficking. And their bank accounts should be fozen. It is obvious that the radicals on the left have been helping. Start with the judges that have stopped every effort to protect our country. Then Nancy, chuck and the gang. Soros..........etc.
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I have to say this is positive. Mexico acknowledging that these extremist Marxist groups are human trafficking and are going to charge them.
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/mexico-draws-line-slaps-caravan-organizers/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/mexico-draws-line-slaps-caravan-organizers/)
And these people weren't coming because they love America. No, they had an agenda against America.
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/mexico-draws-line-slaps-caravan-organizers/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/mexico-draws-line-slaps-caravan-organizers/)
Are you trying to link Charlie Daniels?
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Are you trying to link Charlie Daniels?
I was @libertybele told me how but it didn't work. I must have done it wrong. Devil went down to Georgia. Could you help me?
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBjPAqmnvGA#)
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I was @libertybele told me how but it didn't work. I must have done it wrong. Devil went down to Georgia. Could you help me?
I'll try. First, you want to get to the YouTube page of the video. Needs to be YouTube if you want to embed the video, as below. (I copied the tiny link from your post and pasted it in the address bar of a new tab. It took me to the Bing search of that Charlie Daniels v.id. I clicked the Youtube link at the bottom of the video and it took me to the YouTube.)
Copy the URL from the address line at the top of the browser.
Paste it in the TBR Reply box you are working on.
Delete the "s" in the "htpps://" part of the addess.
Comment and hit "Post."
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBjPAqmnvGA#)
Our Forum software cannot resolve "tiny links."
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I'll try. First, you want to get to the YouTube page of the video. Needs to be YouTube if you want to embed the video, as below. (I copied the tiny link from your post and pasted it in the address bar of a new tab. It took me to the Bing search of that Charlie Daniels v.id. I clicked the Youtube link at the bottom of the video and it took me to the YouTube.)
Copy the URL from the address line at the top of the browser.
Paste it in the TBR Reply box you are working on.
Delete the "s" in the "htpps://" part of the addess.
Comment and hit "Post."
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBjPAqmnvGA#)
Our Forum software cannot resolve "tiny links."
Oh, thank you! both of you @truth_seeker too. I have a new computer and it has bing. Hate it. That's probably what was wrong. It was bing not youtube.
Those Marxist/socialist/communists better "run boys run"