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Title: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mystery-ak on March 12, 2019, 02:59:25 pm
TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot

The scheme involved students who attended or were seeking to attend Georgetown University, Stanford University, UCLA, and other top colleges.

March 12, 2019, 9:13 AM CDT / Updated March 12, 2019, 9:50 AM CDT
By Tom Winter, Pete Williams and Julia Ainsley

Hollywood actresses Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman are among at least 40 people charged in a large-scale college entrance exam cheating scheme, according to court documents unsealed Tuesday.

The alleged scheme focused on getting students admitted to elite universities as recruited athletes, regardless of their athletic abilities, and helping potential students cheat on their college exams, according to the indictment unsealed in Boston.

more
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-uncover-massive-college-entrance-exam-cheating-plot-n982136 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-uncover-massive-college-entrance-exam-cheating-plot-n982136)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Restored on March 12, 2019, 03:09:39 pm
I always assumed this was happening. Cheating at SAT tests is rampant. That's how you can get into an engineering school without being able to speak English
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 12, 2019, 04:03:32 pm
This story is beyond bizarre. Some relevant tweets:
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Judd Legum  Verified account @JuddLegum

Indictment against wealthy parents buying their kids into selective college is stunning. Some kids didn't know about their parents efforts. But Lori Loughlin's kids did. They pretended to row crew - even posed on ERG machines - to get into USC. They are both Instagram stars.
----------------------
After receiving provisional admission based on pretended to row crew, Loughlin's daughter couldn't figure out how to fill out the actual application, so they had the fraudster fill one out for her. The scope of laziness and entitlement here is something
From Good Morning America:
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Hollywood actors, including Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin, and a slew of chief executives are among 50 people charged in a nationwide college admissions cheating scam, according to court records unsealed in Boston Tuesday.

Those indicted allegedly paid bribes of up to $6 million to get their children into elite colleges, including Yale, Stanford, Georgetown and the University of Southern California, federal prosecutors said. ...

The documents say actress Lori Loughlin -- best known for her role as Aunt Becky on the ABC sitcom "Full House" -- and her husband, fashion designer Mossimo Giannulli, "agreed to pay bribes totaling $500,000 in exchange for having their two daughters designated as recruits to the USC crew team -- despite the fact that they did not participate in crew -- thereby facilitating their admission to USC." ...
link (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/hollywood-actors-ceos-charged-nationwide-college-admissions-cheating-61627873)
 :thud:

Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: edpc on March 12, 2019, 04:05:12 pm
(CNN) - Actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin are among dozens of parents, sports coaches and college prep executives accused of carrying out a national conspiracy to get students into prestigious colleges, according to a massive federal indictment.

The purpose of the alleged scam was to help student athletes get into college as recruited athletes, regardless of their athletic ability, according to the indictment. It alleges that a third party took the ACT and SAT college entrance exams in place of students. The documents also allege that some defendants created fake athletic profiles for students to make them appear to be successful athletes and get them into college.

[snip]

Huffman, an Academy Award nominee, has been charged with felony conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud, according to court paperwork filed Monday in federal court in Massachusetts. A law enforcement source confirms to CNN that the actress has been arrested in Los Angeles.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admission-cheating-scheme/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admission-cheating-scheme/index.html)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 12, 2019, 04:14:27 pm
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... The warrant also includes transcripts of phone calls recorded by the FBI that shows Huffman and Loughlin, separately, discussing the plan with the cooperating witnesses.

Loughlin was recorded at one point saying, ” So we– so we just– so we just have to say we made a donation to your foundation and that’s it, end of story.”  ...
Yahoo entertainment (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/felicity-huffman-lori-loughlin-charged-144458213.html)

From twitter:
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Demian Bulwa    Verified account @demianbulwa

BREAKING: Stanford's longtime sailing coach John Vandemoer to plead guilty today to charges in connection with national college-admissions bribery scandal. Story TK
11:41 AM - 12 Mar 2019
Story on Stanford sailing also at SF Chronicle (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Stanford-sailing-team-implicated-in-college-13682141.php)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Mod1 on March 12, 2019, 04:14:38 pm
Merged threads
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Polly Ticks on March 12, 2019, 04:16:08 pm
Ok, I admit I haven't read the article, but I'm confused.  If they got in on the premise that they could row crew, and then it turns out that they CAN'T row (or probably even spell) crew ... how is that supposed to work??
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Sanguine on March 12, 2019, 04:22:10 pm
Ok, I admit I haven't read the article, but I'm confused.  If they got in on the premise that they could row crew, and then it turns out that they CAN'T row (or probably even spell) crew ... how is that supposed to work??

I'm guessing they simply decide "to concentrate on their studies" and not do crew.  It doesn't appear to be a scholarship situation.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: edpc on March 12, 2019, 04:24:20 pm
Ok, I admit I haven't read the article, but I'm confused.  If they got in on the premise that they could row crew, and then it turns out that they CAN'T row (or probably even spell) crew ... how is that supposed to work??


Then they can always try out for the Equatorial Guinea Olympic Swim Team.


Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8rqI8xwXVac#)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: goatprairie on March 12, 2019, 04:26:56 pm
I would assume that for as long as there have been institutions of higher learning whereby earning a degree in a certain field was a guarantee to a successful career,  high rollers and wealthy alumni have been getting their idiot kids into select colleges thanks to hefty bribes...er.....donations.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRi9JMWC1RV8TxLvIZggto7sPy6EmNoPvnPfGSyziosDFU4N4QP)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: GtHawk on March 12, 2019, 04:33:25 pm
How times change, this was never an issue if your name was Ted Kennedy it was just normal to pay someone to take your tests.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: dfwgator on March 12, 2019, 04:35:03 pm
This story is beyond bizarre. Some relevant tweets:From Good Morning America:link (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/hollywood-actors-ceos-charged-nationwide-college-admissions-cheating-61627873)
 :thud:

But Lori Loughlin's kids did. They pretended to row crew - even posed on ERG machines - to get into USC. They are both Instagram stars.

USC = University of Spoiled Children
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Polly Ticks on March 12, 2019, 04:35:34 pm

Then they can always try out for the Equatorial Guinea Olympic Swim Team.


Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8rqI8xwXVac#)

That was .... interesting.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Rivergirl on March 12, 2019, 05:03:28 pm
What irked me was the comment by the man making the announcement  that he was not talking about people who donated buildings to certain universities so their child would have a better chance of admission.

Guess he wanted to be sure Kushner, Trump, and assorted others wouldn't be implicated.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mystery-ak on March 12, 2019, 05:13:02 pm

Lori Loughlin’s daughter cashed in on student status after alleged bribery scheme
https://pagesix.com/2019/03/12/lori-loughlins-daughter-cashed-in-on-student-status-after-alleged-bribery-scheme/
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 12, 2019, 05:20:19 pm
Don't you dare try to claim that teebee actresses are stupid! I see them solving complex problems of all types every day on my teebee. Plus,I see them on talk shows talking about how smart they are,and getting patted on the head by other teebee acresses pretending to be sages.

What next? You going to try to tell me my teebee lies to me?
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 12, 2019, 05:32:44 pm
What irked me was the comment by the man making the announcement  that he was not talking about people who donated buildings to certain universities so their child would have a better chance of admission.

Guess he wanted to be sure Kushner, Trump, and assorted others wouldn't be implicated.

@Rivergirl


No,what irked you is some of your bubblehead leftist idols got nailed,and Republicans didn't.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Absalom on March 12, 2019, 05:42:07 pm
We moderns, enamored of form rather than substance, worship
institutions, such as universities which confer credentials, like a
visa, having little to do w/either knowledge or wisdom.
The wise Greeks and Romans, among them Aristotle and Plato,
were self-educated and created Western Civilization.
Yet we insist we are the greatest. Why of Course!
The core problem is direct and simple. Our head, being firmly
embedded in our rectum, has caused us to go completely blind.
Yet History, as always, will write our last chapter!!!!!
 
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 12, 2019, 06:25:41 pm
What irked me was the comment by the man making the announcement  that he was not talking about people who donated buildings to certain universities so their child would have a better chance of admission.

Guess he wanted to be sure Kushner, Trump, and assorted others wouldn't be implicated.
Or Spielberg, Bill Cosby, the Sacklers, the Rockefellers, and assorted others.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: edpc on March 12, 2019, 06:31:35 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=43yWBAeRTtc#)


Short synopsis of the scheme, charges, and people involved.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 12, 2019, 11:03:25 pm
It amuses me that these parents were so desperate to get their little darlings into the right "prominent" school, even though many of those big-name schools are really quite inferior.

Further, even a poor student with mediocre SAT/ACT scores can get into college -  just not into a prestigious fancy-schmancy one that will impress the neighbors. But if the kid really wants to get an education, then he should attend the "no prestige" small state school that will accept him without his parents having to pay a bounty or fake his test scores. If he does, he probably will find that, in the long run, the lesser school provided a better education than Harvard.

Or, as IowaHawk said:
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David Burge   @iowahawkblog
30m30 minutes ago

It's a great day to be a graduate of a cheap state party school.
What does the N on Nebraska's helmet stand for?
NotpayingmilliondollarbribestogotoYale
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 12, 2019, 11:17:36 pm
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College-admissions scheme ringleader pleads guilty in Boston court
By Sean Philip Cotter
 Boston Herald
PUBLISHED: March 12, 2019 at 6:09 pm | UPDATED: March 12, 2019 at 7:08 pm

The ringleader of a nationwide pay-to-play scheme to get rich kids into elite colleges pleaded guilty in court today, signing an agreement that could send him to prison for decades.

“Guilty,” William “Rick” Singer said, delivering his plea in court to four criminal charges carrying a maximum sentence of 65 years behind bars.

U.S. Attorney’s office prosecutor Eric Rosen read off the litany of accusations against Singer, including that the 58-year-old Sacramento man had set up an elaborate test-taking scheme. Rosen also detailed Singer’s usage of what was ostensibly his charity for underserved kids to funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes to college coaches to pretend his clients were top athletes. ...

Singer admitted to settling up a test-taking scheme, bringing the children of the rich and powerful to Houston or Los Angeles to places where he would “control the site,” bringing a site manager and his own proctor — the one who would ultimately fill out the test.

“I would already tell him the score we wanted, and he would make sure they got that score exactly,” Singer told the judge.  ...
Full story at Boston Herald (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/03/12/college-admissions-scheme-ringleader-pleads-guilty-in-boston-court/)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: musiclady on March 12, 2019, 11:26:56 pm
It amuses me that these parents were so desperate to get their little darlings into the right "prominent" school, even though many of those big-name schools are really quite inferior.

Further, even a poor student with mediocre SAT/ACT scores can get into college -  just not into a prestigious fancy-schmancy one that will impress the neighbors. But if the kid really wants to get an education, then he should attend the "no prestige" small state school that will accept him without his parents having to pay a bounty or fake his test scores. If he does, he probably will find that, in the long run, the lesser school provided a better education than Harvard.


How true that is!  The big name schools don't need to actually provide a good education to keep up their reputations, long past deserving.

Sometimes little Community Colleges provide better educations with professors who care about teaching rather than publishing and getting their names in print.

But Aunt Becky?? Really???  Now THIS hurts.  wink777
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 12, 2019, 11:27:42 pm
It amuses me that these parents were so desperate to get their little darlings into the right "prominent" school, even though many of those big-name schools are really quite inferior.

Further, even a poor student with mediocre SAT/ACT scores can get into college -  just not into a prestigious fancy-schmancy one that will impress the neighbors. But if the kid really wants to get an education, then he should attend the "no prestige" small state school that will accept him without his parents having to pay a bounty or fake his test scores. If he does, he probably will find that, in the long run, the lesser school provided a better education than Harvard.

Or, as IowaHawk said:

@mountaineer

None of those "children" are worried about learning a trade or working a job. They all are trust fund children,who will "earn" their living by helping finance movies or other entertainment events with titles such as "associate producers". Eventually they will become producers as they get on a first name basis with the money people behind the scenes.

Having jobs is for the "little people".
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: dfwgator on March 12, 2019, 11:30:40 pm
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-22-2015/Dthclw.gif)

"Looks like University of Illinois!"
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 13, 2019, 12:06:29 am
This is what happens when the name on the diploma is more important than the things you learned to earn it.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: dfwgator on March 13, 2019, 12:19:54 am
Or when the Court Jester thinks they can be the King.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2019, 12:21:22 am
This is what happens when the name on the diploma is more important than the things you learned to earn it.

I'm convinced the parents also want their kids to make lifetime contacts and maybe a mate not affiliated with Hollywood.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 13, 2019, 12:21:46 am
That was .... interesting.
Blocked now.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Polly Ticks on March 13, 2019, 01:18:24 am
Blocked now.

 :beer:
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: verga on March 13, 2019, 11:59:35 am
For 6 million dollars why not follow Rodney Dangerfield's advice and donate a building? Seriously the outcome would be the same. the kid would get the fake diploma and you would stay out of jail.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: thackney on March 13, 2019, 12:56:36 pm
It amuses me that these parents were so desperate to get their little darlings into the right "prominent" school, even though many of those big-name schools are really quite inferior.

Further, even a poor student with mediocre SAT/ACT scores can get into college -  just not into a prestigious fancy-schmancy one that will impress the neighbors. But if the kid really wants to get an education, then he should attend the "no prestige" small state school that will accept him without his parents having to pay a bounty or fake his test scores. If he does, he probably will find that, in the long run, the lesser school provided a better education than Harvard.

Or, as IowaHawk said:

They are not interested in an education.  They need an entrance in the exclusive society.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 13, 2019, 01:09:52 pm
The sad part of all this is that qualified people did not get in, because these creeps were taking those spots....

They were robbed.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: rangerrebew on March 14, 2019, 10:14:40 am
UH-OH: Obama’s Two Daughters Connected In The Massive College Bribery Scheme
March 13, 2019 Collin Rugg


On Tuesday, actresses Lori Laughlin and Felicity Huffman got busted for bribing elite schools will excess amounts of money and altering their children’s test scores so they can get into the top schools.

Along with the two actresses, 50 others were also indicted for being involved with the scheme, one of them being a former Georgetown University tennis coach who was the instructor for former First Lady Michelle Obama and her two daughters.

The Tennis coach, Gordon Ernst, was formerly employed at Georgetown as the men’s and women’s head tennis coach at Georgetown.

Check out what the Daily Mail reported:

https://ilovemyfreedom.org/uh-oh-obamas-two-daughters-connected-in-the-massive-college-bribery-scheme/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: verga on March 14, 2019, 11:37:14 am
Birds of a feather and all that.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 14, 2019, 01:37:04 pm
The tennis coach connection is somewhat tenuous, but it's worth asking how Malia really did get into Harvard and Chelsea Clinton into Stanford (and Oxford). I suspect admission wasn't based their high school academic records. Did they take the place of more highly qualified students?
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 14, 2019, 01:50:43 pm
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David Burge   @iowahawkblog
10m10 minutes ago

I think the best punishment for these colleges is to make them change their names for 4 years.

USC : Inglewood Community College
Harvard : East Boston Vo-Tech
Yale : FSU-New Haven
:silly:
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 14, 2019, 02:10:54 pm
This is what happens when the name on the diploma is more important than the things you learned to earn it.
New column at The Federalist:
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Do You Want Your Kids To Go To An Elite College Or Get An Education? They’re Not The Same Thing
College entrance has become the primary, all-consuming educational goal for far too many parents, at the expense of understanding what constitutes a good education and what it should accomplish.
By Mark Hemingway   
March 14, 2019

The celebrity college admissions scandal feels tremendously validating. I don’t mean I’m reveling in the misfortune of vapid celebrities with disagreeable politics, although if I’m being honest, my schadenfreude meter blew past acceptable levels for a practicing Christian as soon as the story broke.  ...

... Getting good grades at my children’s school requires even the good students to grow and face challenges. The school encourages self-sufficiency among students, and is not afraid for children to face consequences for bad behavior and mistakes. This is what I want for my children, precisely because I want what’s best for them.

But, as has been so well illustrated by the college admissions scandal, America’s elites, much less our educational institutions, don’t seem to give one whit about the idea that education should be first and foremost designed to produce moral and competent citizenry. The end goal for them is preserving and passing on their elite status to their children, and in the case of the universities, making enormous amounts of money off the anxiety surrounding this goal.  ...
Read the entire article (http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/14/do-you-want-your-kids-to-go-to-an-elite-college-or-get-an-education-theyre-not-the-same-thing/)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: verga on March 14, 2019, 02:41:51 pm
New column at The Federalist:Read the entire article (http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/14/do-you-want-your-kids-to-go-to-an-elite-college-or-get-an-education-theyre-not-the-same-thing/)
@mountaineer excellent article.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2019, 03:00:24 pm
The sad part of all this is that qualified people did not get in, because these creeps were taking those spots....

They were robbed.

@Smokin Joe

How many of these people involved in this scandal have lamented the fact that there’s not enough minorities in college?
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2019, 03:19:56 pm
@Smokin Joe

How many of these people involved in this scandal have lamented the fact that there’s not enough minorities in college?

@LMAO

All of them?

Do I win anything?
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2019, 03:42:44 pm
You'd be surprised how many people game the system to their kids advantage.

Here is a personal example.  Here in Texas (at least then) the top 10% of your class gets an automatic enrollment to their choice of state schools.  And here in Texas that typically is UT or A & M.  Sadly my eldest son missed that 10% criteria by one person.   Of course of interest is that we knew of 8 parents who sent their kids to inner city schools for 3 years to baloon their GPA's only to move their kid to our "higher standard" school for their senior year.  7 or those latecomers beat my son's GPA, including one young lady who happened to finish one person higher in the seratim than him. 

I challenged the school district about the fairness of this, but they said that the rules were the rules.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Rivergirl on March 14, 2019, 03:44:10 pm
Brook Shields got into Princeton for the same reason other famous names are accepted into prestigious universities.    These names bring applications galore.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: thackney on March 14, 2019, 04:07:25 pm
You'd be surprised how many people game the system to their kids advantage.

Here is a personal example.  Here in Texas (at least then) the top 10% of your class gets an automatic enrollment to their choice of state schools.  And here in Texas that typically is UT or A & M.  Sadly my eldest son missed that 10% criteria by one person.   Of course of interest is that we knew of 8 parents who sent their kids to inner city schools for 3 years to baloon their GPA's only to move their kid to our "higher standard" school for their senior year.  7 or those latecomers beat my son's GPA, including one young lady who happened to finish one person higher in the seratim than him. 

I challenged the school district about the fairness of this, but they said that the rules were the rules.

UT has moved to top 6%

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/15/ut-austin-raises-automatic-admissions-threshold-6-percent/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/15/ut-austin-raises-automatic-admissions-threshold-6-percent/)

I challenge the wisdom of parents that want the kids peers/companions to be the inner city schools during their teens.

I think my last kid got far more value in life growing up in an rural environment and the kids around here.  All of the guys she has dated first had dinner at my house and asked permission to date my daughter.  And I did not set that condition, each boy required it from my daughter.

While that may also say something about with whom my daughter associates, it is a reflection of the attitudes in this area.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Rivergirl on March 14, 2019, 08:40:41 pm
Or Spielberg, Bill Cosby, the Sacklers, the Rockefellers, and assorted others.
So you approve of a convicted felon donating a few million dollars to Harvard to enable his son's admission?  BTW, the Kushners are democrats, as are their sons and daughter in laws.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2019, 10:17:29 pm
So you approve of a convicted felon donating a few million dollars to Harvard to enable his son's admission?  BTW, the Kushners are democrats, as are their sons and daughter in laws.

@Rivergirl

You would think that a convicted felon would want his children to stay away from a cesspool of corruption and criminality like Harvard,but it's his kid.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2019, 10:40:32 pm
Looks like Lori Laughlin lost her contract with Hallmark and her daughter lost her's with Sephora...both *students* are home waiting to be expelled...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6810647/Hallmark-cuts-ties-Lori-Loughlin-college-bribery-scandal.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6810647/Hallmark-cuts-ties-Lori-Loughlin-college-bribery-scandal.html)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6810287/Sephora-ENDS-partnership-Olivia-Jade-college-bribery-scandal.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6810287/Sephora-ENDS-partnership-Olivia-Jade-college-bribery-scandal.html)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2019, 10:59:40 pm
Lori Loughlin's daughters Olivia and Isabella both QUIT USC because they're scared of being 'viciously bullied' after their parents were implicated in college bribery scandal

    Olivia Jade was enjoying spring break on a yacht owned by Rick Caruso, chairman of USC's Board of Trustees, when news of her mom's indictment broke
    But now sources say Olivia and Isabella have no plans to return to the school
    Source said Olivia 'is a mess, despondent and feeling like it's end of the world'
    Olivia and Isabella will 'lay low' and have no imminent plans to enroll elsewhere
    Loughlin and her husband Mossimo Giannulli are accused of bribing college officials and coaches with $500,000 to get their daughters into USC 
    Allegedly bribed to get their daughters in as recruits for the USC rowing team 
    Olivia has since lost her partnership with Sephora and Hallmark cut ties with Loughlin, who featured in many of their movies as well as an original series 

By Anneta Konstantinides For Dailymail.com

Published: 18:07 EDT, 14 March 2019 | Updated: 18:47 EDT, 14 March 2019

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6811135/Loris-Loughlins-daughters-Olivia-Isabella-quit-USC.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6811135/Loris-Loughlins-daughters-Olivia-Isabella-quit-USC.html)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: verga on March 14, 2019, 11:11:15 pm
UT has moved to top 6%

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/15/ut-austin-raises-automatic-admissions-threshold-6-percent/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/15/ut-austin-raises-automatic-admissions-threshold-6-percent/)

I challenge the wisdom of parents that want the kids peers/companions to be the inner city schools during their teens.

I think my last kid got far more value in life growing up in an rural environment and the kids around here.  All of the guys she has dated first had dinner at my house and asked permission to date my daughter.  And I did not set that condition, each boy required it from my daughter.

While that may also say something about with whom my daughter associates, it is a reflection of the attitudes in this area.
Agreed around here befroe you asked a girl out you either worked for her Daddy, or a friend of her daddy's, or went to Church with the family.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 14, 2019, 11:20:51 pm
So you approve of a convicted felon donating a few million dollars to Harvard to enable his son's admission?  BTW, the Kushners are democrats, as are their sons and daughter in laws.
How on earth did you reach the conclusion that I approved of that practice? I merely added a few names to the list, just in the interest of being bipartisan. Donating big money in the hope of getting something in exchange is pretty common.
Acknowledging that it happens doesn't mean I approve.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: edpc on March 14, 2019, 11:25:28 pm
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Being a haughty hottie probably won’t get you far with the judge.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Hoodat on March 14, 2019, 11:29:25 pm
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Indictment against wealthy parents buying their kids into selective college is stunning. Some kids didn't know about their parents efforts. But Lori Loughlin's kids did. They pretended to row crew - even posed on ERG machines - to get into USC. They are both Instagram stars.
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After receiving provisional admission based on pretended to row crew, Loughlin's daughter couldn't figure out how to fill out the actual application, so they had the fraudster fill one out for her. The scope of laziness and entitlement here is something

USC = University of Spoiled Children
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2019, 11:32:10 pm
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Being a haughty hottie probably won’t get you far with the judge.

Also having your arms crossed, with a smug condescending look on your face is not the best strategy in a hearing.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2019, 12:03:20 am
USC = University of Spoiled Children

@Hoodat

In the daughters defense,they grew up in a world where there is no such thing as line between fantasy and reality.  You can't blame the children for their upbringing until they are 25 or so,and have had a chance to experience life away from home.

Children are born as wild animals,understanding nothing but hunger and thirst. All they know about life as they grow up is what their parents teach them.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 15, 2019, 05:55:05 pm
Things get even weirder (granted, this is the Daily Mail, so take it with a grain of salt, BUT...)

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Lifestyle vlogger Olivia Jade Giannulli, 19, took on fellow influencer Marissa Rachel and singer Rydel Lynch in a 2016 episode of Tap That Awesome App for a now defunct Verizon mobile phone channel.

But when Rachel was declared the winner in front of a live audience she says studio execs mysteriously stepped in and ordered producers to re-shoot the final few questions.

When the trivia contest resumed Rachel and Lynch were under orders not to buzz in with the correct answers, leaving Giannulli to take home first prize, a $5,000 donation to a charity of her choice, it's alleged.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6809589/Lori-Loughlins-daughter-second-cheating-scandal-alleged-rigged-contest.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6809589/Lori-Loughlins-daughter-second-cheating-scandal-alleged-rigged-contest.html)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Sanguine on March 15, 2019, 06:06:35 pm
Things get even weirder (granted, this is the Daily Mail, so take it with a grain of salt, BUT...)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6809589/Lori-Loughlins-daughter-second-cheating-scandal-alleged-rigged-contest.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6809589/Lori-Loughlins-daughter-second-cheating-scandal-alleged-rigged-contest.html)

They live in a fake world.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: berdie on March 15, 2019, 10:01:45 pm
I'm sure that this kind of thing has been going on for longer than any of us know....not just with celebs. 
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: LadyLiberty on March 16, 2019, 01:49:30 am
I'm sure that this kind of thing has been going on for longer than any of us know....not just with celebs.

When one of the parents asked if this could blow up ineir face, they were told that it has worked for 24 years.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: NavyCanDo on March 16, 2019, 05:36:10 am
The same people outraged that the rich can  bribe a path for their kids to get in a college, are all for providing free college for illegal aliens.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 16, 2019, 06:32:38 am
The same people outraged that the rich can  bribe a path for their kids to get in a college, are all for providing free college for illegal aliens.
Maybe some of them are in there, but I'm not one for providing free college to illegals, and think that some person who could pass the tests got replaced by someone who felt entitled just because of daddy's money is bullsh*t.

Athletic and merit scholarships are the last great hope of kids who know they won't be able to afford the tuition otherwise, and they bust their butts to get those. Letting someone buy that spot is crap, and it's how we get all these ubercredentialed idiots running around in DC and elsewhere.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: goatprairie on March 16, 2019, 01:29:27 pm
Maybe some of them are in there, but I'm not one for providing free college to illegals, and think that some person who could pass the tests got replaced by someone who felt entitled just because of daddy's money is bullsh*t.

Athletic and merit scholarships are the last great hope of kids who know they won't be able to afford the tuition otherwise, and they bust their butts to get those. Letting someone buy that spot is crap, and it's how we get all these ubercredentialed idiots running around in DC and elsewhere.
Well, to be sure, you know as well as I do a lot of those athletes in  major colleges performing before the adoring masses are most likely there fraudulently.
I only have to hear some of them talk and look at their tatted up physiques to wonder how they got through high school much less be able to take regular college courses.
Reminds me of a story (might be apocryphal) I heard about Dick Butkus. Supposedly, when he got to U-Illinois he complained about having to read books when he went there to play football.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 16, 2019, 01:45:07 pm
Well, to be sure, you know as well as I do a lot of those athletes in  major colleges performing before the adoring masses are most likely there fraudulently.
I only have to hear some of them talk and look at their tatted up physiques to wonder how they got through high school much less be able to take regular college courses.
Reminds me of a story (might be apocryphal) I heard about Dick Butkus. Supposedly, when he got to U-Illinois he complained about having to read books when he went there to play football.
I'm not saying the jocks are there because they're geniuses. I have seen that, too, even when I went to school. That  racket is that they bring in alumnae dollars, which, in turn support the sports programs, with a little skim... As for their grades, well, that's the reason I ended up on the Honor Council, only called on one case, which to the dismay of the poly sci majors, I did better on than they did. I was not called back for a second case.

That isn't saying there aren't those who can make the grades, just that some are questionable at best, in training for the entitled attitude seen so often in the pro sports to which they aspire.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: catfish1957 on March 18, 2019, 02:31:50 pm


"Looks like University of Illinois!"

One thing that I hope does not get lost in this story, is the bottom line that there is a terrible gaming of the higher education system, and the "REAL" losers are the ones who get bumped from consideration.  NOW....add the fact that Elizabeth Warren basically did the same thing, lying about heritage to get into Harvard.  Beleive me.......    There was a very deserving talented Native American who lost their spot to the school for her actions.   The nation can not forget this.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 18, 2019, 03:13:20 pm
One thing that I hope does not get lost in this story, is the bottom line that there is a terrible gaming of the higher education system, and the "REAL" losers are the ones who get bumped from consideration.  NOW....add the fact that Elizabeth Warren basically did the same thing, lying about heritage to get into Harvard.  Beleive me.......    There was a very deserving talented Native American who lost their spot to the school for her actions.   The nation can not forget this.

EXACTLY! 888high58888 :beer:
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 29, 2019, 11:20:46 pm
Latest:
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Judge nixes vacation for parent charged in college admissions scam
By Marie Szaniszlo and Laurel J. Sweet
Boston Herald
PUBLISHED: March 29, 2019 at 4:05 pm | UPDATED: March 29, 2019 at 6:45 pm

Some of the parents charged in a nationwide college admissions cheating scheme are pushing to be allowed to leave the country on business and pleasure as they reported to federal court in Boston for the first time Friday.

More than a dozen accused moms and dads, mostly from California, making their initial appearances left court with little to say outside. But a few appearing before federal Magistrate Judge M. Page Kelley asked for leniency.

Gamal Abdelaziz, 62, of Las Vegas was the first up, with his lawyer asking that the former Wynn casino executive be allowed to travel to Mexico for business. He added his client has lived in Hong Kong and China.  ...

... The judge allowed Abdelaziz to leave the country, only for business.  ...

William McGlashan Jr., 55, of Mill Valley, Calif., wasn’t so lucky. The senior executive at a global equity firm was told by the judge he could not go on a family vacation to Mexico.  ...

Actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin are charged in the case but are not scheduled to appear in court until next week. They have not publicly addressed the allegations. ...
Boston Herald (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/03/29/judge-nixes-vacation-for-parent-charged-in-college-scam/)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 30, 2019, 06:38:01 am
So we have a bunch of people who make lots of money for being someone they aren't shelling out gobs of that money so their kids can be someone they aren't. I get that, it's true to form, for them, anyway.

But the next time some actor stands up and tries to lecture me on science, can I throw the first rotten tomato?

I worked for my degree.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on March 31, 2019, 12:58:53 pm
Now that the defendants are starting to make court appearances, we can expect some interesting and amusing developments.
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Blunt-smoking man’s parents charged in admissions scam warned to stay off weed
By Emily Saul, Ebony Bowden and Bruce Golding
March 29, 2019

More than a dozen wealthy parents charged with paying bribes to get their underachieving kids into college appeared in Boston federal court on Friday — including two New Yorkers who were busted in the nationwide scam.

Greg and Marcia Abbott made a brief appearance before Magistrate Judge M. Page Kelley, who allowed each to remain free on $500,000 bond set March 12 in Manhattan federal court. ...

And because they were in Massachusetts — where recreational pot is legal — Kelley was required to warn the Upper East Side couple not to smoke any, which would be a federal crime.

Earlier this month, the Abbotts’ middle child — son Malcolm, a wannabe rapper who calls himself “Billa” — infamously puffed away on a blunt while defending his mom and dad to The Post outside the family’s Fifth Avenue apartment building across from the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

“I believe everyone has a right to go to college, man,” he said at the time. ...
Full story at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2019/03/29/judge-to-parents-of-blunt-smoking-rapper-no-weed/)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2019, 02:04:47 pm
i have to admit I don't understand all the outrage over this,or even understand why it is illegal. This has been going on ever since the first college was started,and will continue to go on for as long as some people have more money than other people.

Does ANYONE seriously think that ANYBODY in either the Kennedy or Bush Klans has ever actually EARNED a degree in anything more complex than nose picking?
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: goatprairie on March 31, 2019, 04:00:23 pm
i have to admit I don't understand all the outrage over this,or even understand why it is illegal. This has been going on ever since the first college was started,and will continue to go on for as long as some people have more money than other people.

Does ANYONE seriously think that ANYBODY in either the Kennedy or Bush Klans has ever actually EARNED a degree in anything more complex than nose picking?
:thumbsup: It's not fair, but then life has never been fair to the great majority of people. Not getting into an Ivy League school does not stop well-qualified applicants from getting into other very good schools. Their lives are not ruined.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2019, 05:30:30 pm
:thumbsup: It's not fair, but then life has never been fair to the great majority of people. Not getting into an Ivy League school does not stop well-qualified applicants from getting into other very good schools. Their lives are not ruined.

@goatprairie

Exactly! If your kid is academically-qualified and willing to work hard,they will get accepted to good schools regardless of the white trash with money buying spots on sports teams as a way to get admitted. Hell,they are not only going to get admitted,they will end up graduating like Chelsea Clinton graduated,and their parents will set them up as the figurehead of some sort of business,like the Clintons did with Chelsea.

We do have to give props to the Ca college Chelsea went to that refused to give her passing grades because she couldn't,or wouldn't do the work,and made her change majors in order to be able to graduate. Given that she is the spawn of a former President of the US,that was a MIGHTY bold move on their part. Not to mention surprising. Especially given that it was a Ca school.  Can't remember the name of it right now,but I do remember being surprised when she changed majors to something pedestrian instead of international. 
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: goatprairie on March 31, 2019, 05:55:38 pm
@goatprairie

Exactly! If your kid is academically-qualified and willing to work hard,they will get accepted to good schools regardless of the white trash with money buying spots on sports teams as a way to get admitted. Hell,they are not only going to get admitted,they will end up graduating like Chelsea Clinton graduated,and their parents will set them up as the figurehead of some sort of business,like the Clintons did with Chelsea.

We do have to give props to the Ca college Chelsea went to that refused to give her passing grades because she couldn't,or wouldn't do the work,and made her change majors in order to be able to graduate. Given that she is the spawn of a former President of the US,that was a MIGHTY bold move on their part. Not to mention surprising. Especially given that it was a Ca school.  Can't remember the name of it right now,but I do remember being surprised when she changed majors to something pedestrian instead of international.
As we both know powerful, wealthy people have been getting their idiot offspring into jobs/positions over better qualified people since the dawn of civilization.
If your life is ruined because some other less qualified person got something you thought you earned, then you're going to eventually fail anyway.
For many people life is a series of overcoming disappointments and forging ahead. In fact, it's probably a good thing that everybody has a little disappointment in their lives early on. It will prepare them for life and when things really turn sour.
 Not getting into Harvard or Yale and having to settle for  a lesser renowned school will not cause somebody to fail at life. Unless they were destined to fail anyway.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 31, 2019, 05:57:48 pm
The tennis coach connection is somewhat tenuous, but it's worth asking how Malia really did get into Harvard and Chelsea Clinton into Stanford (and Oxford). I suspect admission wasn't based their high school academic records. Did they take the place of more highly qualified students?

If a school chooses to take in students who do not excel academically to please rich parents, or because they believe it otherwise benefits the school, then that's the school's right.  That's different from committing fraud.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 31, 2019, 06:02:46 pm
i have to admit I don't understand all the outrage over this,or even understand why it is illegal. This has been going on ever since the first college was started,and will continue to go on for as long as some people have more money than other people.

Does ANYONE seriously think that ANYBODY in either the Kennedy or Bush Klans has ever actually EARNED a degree in anything more complex than nose picking?

There's a huge difference.

Schools admit legacies and people from rich families because admitting those kids usually means the school makes a lot more money.  And that's money that is used to maintain facilities, build dorms, etc..  Essentially, taking in the rich kids whose parents make donations helps keeps costs down for other kids.  It may not be "fair", but nobody is really losing out.

What these parents did was bribe individual employees.  So rather than the money going into the pockets of the university as a whole, it went in to the pockets of individual employees who kept it for their own benefit.  It's the difference between paying the airline more for a first class seat, and having first class seats taken by bribes to individual employees of the airline.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2019, 06:13:01 pm
There's a huge difference.

Schools admit legacies and people from rich families because admitting those kids usually means the school makes a lot more money.  And that's money that is used to maintain facilities, build dorms, etc..  Essentially, taking in the rich kids whose parents make donations helps keeps costs down for other kids.  It may not be "fair", but nobody is really losing out.

What these parents did was bribe individual employees.  So rather than the money going into the pockets of the university as a whole, it went in to the pockets of individual employees who kept it for their own benefit.  It's the difference between paying the airline more for a first class seat, and having first class seats taken by bribes to individual employees of the airline.

@Maj. Bill Martin

From the POV of those denied a seat at the table,I see no difference.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 31, 2019, 06:19:41 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

From the POV of those denied a seat at the table,I see no difference.

Well, sure.  That's the same rationale a thief uses to steal a car they can't afford.   "Why should only rich people get to drive something like that."
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2019, 06:21:44 pm
Well, sure.  That's the same rationale a thief uses to steal a car they can't afford.   "Why should only rich people get to drive something like that."

@Maj. Bill Martin

Are you seriously comparing serious college applicants with hood rats?
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 31, 2019, 06:31:51 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin
@sneakypete

Are you seriously comparing serious college applicants with hood rats?

No, I'm comparing the lack of importance you apparently attach to ownership rights with that of a thief.  Nor do I believe that theft is limited to "hood rats".

The individual employee who takes a bribe is stealing from the company/university.  That's why those people are being prosecuted criminally like the thieves they are.  No different from bribing an employee of an electronics store to slip you a TV for $300 rather than paying the $1000 charged by the store.

Again, if some ridiculously rich guy gifts a university $5M for a new research center so that their kid gets into that school, where's the harm?  A large donation like that benefits all the other students who get the benefit of that research center without having to pay higher tuition to fund it.  Donations like that permit a school to afford to let in both the rich kid and a merit-based student.  But when the rich kid gets let into college solely because of a bribe to an individual university employee, nobody benefits except the crooked university employee who took the bribe, and the kid.  There is no larger benefit to the school in which other students can share.

It's like the TV -- nobody else is harmed just because the rich guy can afford to buy a $1000 TV.  But if the store employee gives away that TV for a $300 bribe, then the other customers are going to end up paying more in the long haul because of that theft.

Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2019, 09:32:56 pm
No, I'm comparing the lack of importance you apparently attach to ownership rights with that of a thief.  Nor do I believe that theft is limited to "hood rats".

The individual employee who takes a bribe is stealing from the company/university.  That's why those people are being prosecuted criminally like the thieves they are.  No different from bribing an employee of an electronics store to slip you a TV for $300 rather than paying the $1000 charged by the store.

Again, if some ridiculously rich guy gifts a university $5M for a new research center so that their kid gets into that school, where's the harm?  A large donation like that benefits all the other students who get the benefit of that research center without having to pay higher tuition to fund it.  Donations like that permit a school to afford to let in both the rich kid and a merit-based student.  But when the rich kid gets let into college solely because of a bribe to an individual university employee, nobody benefits except the crooked university employee who took the bribe, and the kid.  There is no larger benefit to the school in which other students can share.

It's like the TV -- nobody else is harmed just because the rich guy can afford to buy a $1000 TV.  But if the store employee gives away that TV for a $300 bribe, then the other customers are going to end up paying more in the long haul because of that theft.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Apples and oranges. These privileged children are getting sports scholarships,not academic scholarships. Even then they are in "sports" nobody cars about. If you want to see an uproar,have them start getting basketball or football scholarships,and then watch the schools start burning to the ground.

No harm is done to any actual human or student.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on March 31, 2019, 09:51:03 pm
One thing that I hope does not get lost in this story, is the bottom line that there is a terrible gaming of the higher education system, and the "REAL" losers are the ones who get bumped from consideration.  NOW....add the fact that Elizabeth Warren basically did the same thing, lying about heritage to get into Harvard.  Beleive me.......    There was a very deserving talented Native American who lost their spot to the school for her actions.   The nation can not forget this.


If that person was very deserving and talented, they would have won a position based on merit, without needing to rely on ethnic background.  SOMEONE more qualified didn't get a spot because it was reserved based on race and lizzy lied to get it.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: goatprairie on March 31, 2019, 10:48:50 pm
There's a huge difference.

Schools admit legacies and people from rich families because admitting those kids usually means the school makes a lot more money.  And that's money that is used to maintain facilities, build dorms, etc..  Essentially, taking in the rich kids whose parents make donations helps keeps costs down for other kids.  It may not be "fair", but nobody is really losing out.

What these parents did was bribe individual employees.  So rather than the money going into the pockets of the university as a whole, it went in to the pockets of individual employees who kept it for their own benefit.  It's the difference between paying the airline more for a first class seat, and having first class seats taken by bribes to individual employees of the airline.
Wouldn't any students taken in by a corrupt school employee still bear some examination by other school officials?
I can't believe that many people in the school admin don't know about  corrupt coaches but still tolerate them.
Obviously, tennis and field hockey aren't huge draws, but the rich people getting their kids on the team are still more likely to contribute to the school even while paying off the coach.
And if you're a legitimate member of whatever school team, would you keep silent about some team member you know is totally inadequate?
Whatever the situation, my point is that however some qualified kids are passed over for whatever reason, their lives aren't ruined.
That's just the way things are. We try to make things fair knowing it will never be perfectly fair.
It's better for people to learn to deal with disappointments and get back on the horse.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: musiclady on April 01, 2019, 12:32:33 am
There's a huge difference.

Schools admit legacies and people from rich families because admitting those kids usually means the school makes a lot more money.  And that's money that is used to maintain facilities, build dorms, etc..  Essentially, taking in the rich kids whose parents make donations helps keeps costs down for other kids.  It may not be "fair", but nobody is really losing out.

What these parents did was bribe individual employees.  So rather than the money going into the pockets of the university as a whole, it went in to the pockets of individual employees who kept it for their own benefit.  It's the difference between paying the airline more for a first class seat, and having first class seats taken by bribes to individual employees of the airline.

Excellent points.

This is bribery.  This is a crime.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 01, 2019, 03:23:18 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

Apples and oranges. These privileged children are getting sports scholarships,not academic scholarships. Even then they are in "sports" nobody cars about. If you want to see an uproar,have them start getting basketball or football scholarships,and then watch the schools start burning to the ground.

So what?  Schools do not give out unlimited athletic scholarships either.  Some other girl who worked off her butt to try to earn an athletic scholarship didn't get one because of this scam.

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No harm is done to any actual human or student.

As I pointed out, someone else didn't get an athletic scholarship because of this, so that's not true.

But even if nobody else missed out, it's still theft.  It is an employee of the school illegally using their position for private gain, taking a bribe to give one of the school's athletic scholarships to one of these girls.  Or are you normally okay with employees stealing from their employers?

Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 01, 2019, 03:27:25 pm
And if you're a legitimate member of whatever school team, would you keep silent about some team member you know is totally inadequate?

What happened was that the girls were admitted based on a representation that they were great athletes deserving of a scholarship.  That got them past the usual standards for admission, plus a scholarship.  Once going to school, they then "decided" not to participate in the sport.  That lost them the scholarship, but they kept the fraudulent admission themselves.  So nobody else ever saw them play (or row, in this case) to expose the hoax.

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Whatever the situation, my point is that however some qualified kids are passed over for whatever reason, their lives aren't ruined.
That's just the way things are. We try to make things fair knowing it will never be perfectly fair.
It's better for people to learn to deal with disappointments and get back on the horse.

How the other kids who didn't get admitted deal with that is a completely separate issue from the clear criminal fraud committed by the coaches and parents.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: DCPatriot on April 01, 2019, 03:27:46 pm
So what?  Schools do not give out unlimited athletic scholarships either.  Some other girl who worked off her butt to try to earn an athletic scholarship didn't get one because of this scam.

As I pointed out, someone else didn't get an athletic scholarship because of this, so that's not true.

But even if it was true, it's still theft.  It is an employee of the school illegally using their position for private gain, taking a bribe to give one of the school's athletic scholarships to one of these girls.  Or are you normally okay with employees stealing from their employers?

The Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.   It takes a letter of recommendation from your Congressman for consideration.

A 4.0 grade average and $2.00 will get you a large coffee at the 7-11.

Since a politician is involved here, I wonder how they would fare under white glove inspection? :laugh:
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 01, 2019, 03:56:21 pm
The Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.   It takes a letter of recommendation from your Congressman for consideration.

I know.  That's how I got in.  But...

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A 4.0 grade average and $2.00 will get you a large coffee at the 7-11.

Since a politician is involved here, I wonder how they would fare under white glove inspection? :laugh:

I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make.  :shrug:
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: goatprairie on April 01, 2019, 05:41:25 pm
What happened was that the girls were admitted based on a representation that they were great athletes deserving of a scholarship.  That got them past the usual standards for admission, plus a scholarship.  Once going to school, they then "decided" not to participate in the sport.  That lost them the scholarship, but they kept the fraudulent admission themselves.  So nobody else ever saw them play (or row, in this case) to expose the hoax.

How the other kids who didn't get admitted deal with that is a completely separate issue from the clear criminal fraud committed by the coaches and parents.
I'm not against punishing the people involved with the fraud. I'm just saying the kids, who lost a spot because some rich kid got in from bribes, lives weren't ruined. It's hard for me to feel real sorry.  I would bet the kids who got aced out will still do real well in life.
I'm totally not shocked that this stuff is going on. Maybe it's not fair to kids who lost positions because their parents couldn't bribe school people/coaches, but that's life. 
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: DCPatriot on April 01, 2019, 06:18:05 pm
I know.  That's how I got in.  But...

I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make.  :shrug:

That it's probably no secret that donations to campaigns are involved in some of the many thousands of Naval Academy student classes.

Corruption? 

Is somebody cheated out of a chance to attend because their family didn't have any political clout or $$$?    :shrug:
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2019, 07:05:17 pm
I'm not against punishing the people involved with the fraud. I'm just saying the kids, who lost a spot because some rich kid got in from bribes, lives weren't ruined. It's hard for me to feel real sorry.  I would bet the kids who got aced out will still do real well in life.
I'm totally not shocked that this stuff is going on. Maybe it's not fair to kids who lost positions because their parents couldn't bribe school people/coaches, but that's life.
Yeah. They could always row on the Community College crew.

(They was robbed!)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 01, 2019, 07:53:54 pm
That it's probably no secret that donations to campaigns are involved in some of the many thousands of Naval Academy student classes. Corruption? 
Is somebody cheated out of a chance to attend because their family didn't have any political clout or $$$?    :shrug:

Here's the thing....

I'm sure that there have been some nominations that happened because of political favors/relationships.  But each member of Congress gets to have a maximum of up to 5 students attending any one service academy at a given time.  And for each vacancy less than that 5, they get to make 10 nominations.  Which means the Academies have somewhere around 10 nominated applicants for each one actual appointment given out.  It is getting the actual appointment that is truly competitive.  A nomination just gives you the right to submit an application -- nothing more. And if you were the 9th or 10th most qualified person, bumped off because that member of Congress decided to hand out a political nomination, you weren't going to get an actual appointment anyway.

In other words, someone who was nominated as a political favor but is otherwise substandard basically has a ticket to getting a "thanks but no thanks" response from the Admissions Committee.  I'm on a Congressional nominating committee -- lots of members of Congress put together citizen panels to recommend nominations in their district, and the panels usually consist largely of Academy grads.  But you really can't game/politicize the system on the Congressional end of things, because it's the Admissions Committee at each Academy that actually makes those decisions.

Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: Sanguine on April 01, 2019, 08:07:06 pm
I guess all of us who got into college on our merits can note that on our resumes from now on.

"Merit scholar and 4.0 GPA entrant into the University of Wherever."  Or, "not a cheater entrant".  Probably could be better said, but that's the idea.
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: DCPatriot on April 01, 2019, 09:28:01 pm
I guess all of us who got into college on our merits can note that on our resumes from now on.

"Merit scholar and 4.0 GPA entrant into the University of Wherever."  Or, "not a cheater entrant".  Probably could be better said, but that's the idea.

"4.0 grade average, junior fellow....and I dint know anybody!"    :laugh:
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on April 04, 2019, 12:29:13 pm
APRIL 4 update
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Starstruck Boston welcomes Hollywood stars to federal courthouse
By Laurel J. Sweet
 Boston Herald
PUBLISHED: April 3, 2019 at 11:55 am | UPDATED: April 4, 2019 at 6:44 am

In what could prove the most pivotal close ups of their careers, actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin drew throngs of fans and paparazzi to Boston’s federal district court Wednesday, but did not share so much as a polite glance at their initial appearances as co-defendants in the blockbuster college admissions cheating scandal.

“Have a nice day,” a smiling and tanned Loughlin told a Herald reporter who stopped her for comment soon after she stole the show in U.S. District Magistrate Judge M. Page Kelley’s courtroom by cheerfully introducing herself to and shaking the hands of prosecutors. ...

Huffman, dressed in a black pantsuit and ruffled emerald blouse, appeared ill at ease by comparison as onlookers crowded and gaped at the former “Desperate Housewives” star inside the heavily guarded courthouse. ...

The actresses, Giannulli and co-defendants Gordon Caplan, husband and wife Manuel and Elizabeth Henriquez, Toby MacFarlane, John Wilson, Bruce Isackson and Homayoun Zadeh are currently charged in a criminal complaint with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud punishable by up to 20 years in federal prison. They were not arraigned as U.S. Attorney Andrew E. Lelling’s office is still within the 30-day window to file grand jury indictments.

They have had their passports seized, are banned from international travel without the permission of their probation officers and cannot touch marijuana because it remains illegal under federal law.

“I’m going to ask everyone not to have firearms in their house,” Kelley added. “Just get them out of your house.” ...
More at Boston Herald (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/03/paparazzi-flock-to-boston-as-hollywood-stars-head-to-court/)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on April 04, 2019, 12:33:58 pm
Associated Press:
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BOSTON (AP) — A packaged-food entrepreneur from California became the first of the 33 parents charged in the college bribery scandal to agree to plead guilty, disclosing the deal Wednesday as Hollywood actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin appeared in court along with some of the other defendants.  ...

Sartorio, the founder of an organic frozen-food company, did not appear in court Wednesday, and it was not clear when the Menlo Park, California, businessman would plead guilty. His lawyers did not immediately reply to an email for comment. ...
More (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/04/loughlin-huffman-due-in-court-in-college-admissions-scam/)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on April 04, 2019, 02:40:38 pm
The Admission Scam Is Another Reason To Destroy Academia As We Know It
Kurt Schlichter
Posted: Apr 04, 2019 12:01 AM
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American college is terrible and, as a society, we should stop doing it – at least how it is being currently done. The greatest benefit of a system where most citizens are pushed to get college educations, whether they truly need and want one or not, would be a society of really smart, informed, and engaged citizens. Do you see that happening?

No, you do not.

Instead, we have a bunch of people who are dragged down by crushing debt after wasting years of their youth chasing a piece of paper that often has no relationship to these graduates’ futures. Compounding the failure is how these grads march off campus infatuated with ridiculous commie notions abhorrent to a free people. The college system is a disaster – an expensive disaster that picks our pockets as well as those of the suckers who matriculate – and we should stop tolerating it.  ...

The college admission scandal, where a herd of rich Democrat donors paid a ton of dough to get their half-wit progeny into Snooty U, was the perfect encapsulation of how big a rip-off college really is. Did you notice how the parents forked over cash to get Junior into school because Junior scored 112 on his SAT and then…Junior stayed in the elite school with no problem? You might think that if these schools were rigorous institutions of higher learning instead of ruling class credential rubber-stump machines, they might flunk out? But no.  ...
Entire article (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/04/04/the-admission-scam-is-another-reason-to-destroy-academia-as-we-know-it-n2544186?410)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on April 08, 2019, 07:08:28 pm
April 8 UPDATE

New York Times reporter tweets:
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Kate Taylor   Verified account @katetaylornyt

Felicity Huffman and 12 other parents have agreed to plead guilty in the college admissions fraud case, the Justice Department says
2:59 PM - 8 Apr 2019

Link to NYT story (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/us/felicity-huffman-college-admissions-scandal.html)
Title: Re: TV actresses among 40 people charged in college entrance exam cheating plot
Post by: mountaineer on April 08, 2019, 07:25:52 pm
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... "I am in full acceptance of my guilt, and with deep regret and shame over what I have done, I accept full responsibility for my actions and will accept the consequences that stem from those actions," Huffman said in a statement obtained by ABC News. "I am ashamed of the pain I have caused my daughter, my family, my friends, my colleagues and the educational community." ...
More at ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/14-defendants-including-felicity-huffman-plead-guilty-college/story?id=62247364)