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Title: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 19, 2018, 10:30:59 pm
Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Associated Press, Oct 19, 2018
TECUN UMAN, Guatemala (AP) — Migrants traveling in a mass caravan burst through a Guatemalan border fence and streamed by the thousands toward Mexican territory on Friday, defying Mexican authorities’ entreaties for an orderly crossing and U.S. President Donald Trump’s threats of retaliation.

On the Mexican side of a border bridge, they were met by a phalanx of police with riot shields. About 50 managed to push their way through before officers unleashed pepper spray and the rest retreated.

The gates were closed again, and police used a loudspeaker to address the masses, saying, “We need you to stop the aggression.”

Mexican federal police chief Manelich Castilla, speaking from the border town of Ciudad Hidalgo, told Foro TV that his forces achieved their main objective of preventing a violent breach by the 3,000-plus migrants. In a separate interview with Milenio television, he accused people not part of the caravan of attacking police with firecrackers and rocks.

“It will be under the conditions that have been said since the start,” Castilla said. “Orderly, with established procedures, never through violence or force as a group of people attempted.”

The chaos calmed somewhat as migrants formed lines in a mass of humanity stretching across the bridge. Some returned to the Guatemalan side to buy water and food.


More:  https://apnews.com/d52af53fc55b49cdbd320df9a19ff626

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 19, 2018, 10:33:16 pm
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/19/13/5199042-6293893-image-a-25_1539951511148.jpg)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 19, 2018, 10:35:58 pm
Photos here:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6295861/Caravan-thousands-Honduran-migrants-TURN-Mexican-border-Guatemala.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6295861/Caravan-thousands-Honduran-migrants-TURN-Mexican-border-Guatemala.html)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: endicom on October 19, 2018, 10:36:14 pm

We need to go after who is funding and organizing this and charge them with human trafficking or whatever else may apply.

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 19, 2018, 10:37:46 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp4NoX8XcAAwjeU.jpg)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 19, 2018, 10:38:19 pm
I hope whatever they were paid is worth it. Their current living conditions don't look very nice (but at least they're not starving, to say the least).
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 19, 2018, 10:39:06 pm
Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 ‏ Verified account @JackPosobiec 10m10 minutes ago

 Stunning image as the caravan of migrants stack up on the bridge into Mexico after breaking through police barricades. Mexican border guards blocking their progress for now 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp5wy3MXQAAEfoV.jpg)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 19, 2018, 10:40:18 pm

Caravan Chaos Continues: Mexican Riot Cops Calm Migrant Violence With Tear Gas
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Fri, 10/19/2018 - 18:07


Update (1800ET): As a surge of migrants broke through a steel fence that had been padlocked shut...

CNN reports Mexican police in riot gear pushed them back, setting off smoke canisters, and Buzzfeed reports the use of tear gas.

Hundreds of Mexican Federal Police sealed the border as drones and helicopters hovered above the crowd, which waited on a bridge in sweltering heat...

The chaos calmed somewhat as migrants formed lines in a mass of humanity stretching across the bridge. Some returned to the Guatemalan side to buy water and food.

    “Today, violent tides are trying to enter Mexico and they have hurt Mexican police. We did not use armed forces because we offered the obligation to help, “ Mexican Interior Secretary, Alfonso Navarrete Prida told Mexican Milenio television.

At least a dozen migrants stuck on the bridge have jumped into the river below.  ... More, plus photos (http://Caravan Chaos Continues: Mexican Riot Cops Calm Migrant Violence With Tear Gas
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Update (1800ET): As a surge of migrants broke through a steel fence that had been padlocked shut...

CNN reports Mexican police in riot gear pushed them back, setting off smoke canisters, and Buzzfeed reports the use of tear gas.

Hundreds of Mexican Federal Police sealed the border as drones and helicopters hovered above the crowd, which waited on a bridge in sweltering heat...

The chaos calmed somewhat as migrants formed lines in a mass of humanity stretching across the bridge. Some returned to the Guatemalan side to buy water and food.

    “Today, violent tides are trying to enter Mexico and they have hurt Mexican police. We did not use armed forces because we offered the obligation to help, “ Mexican Interior Secretary, Alfonso Navarrete Prida told Mexican Milenio television.

At least a dozen migrants stuck on the bridge have jumped into the river below.[url=https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-19/caravan-showdown-migrants-tear-down-guatemala-border-gate-rush-towards-mexico)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 19, 2018, 10:42:43 pm
Breaking through to Mexico

(https://gdb.voanews.com/5BF32933-E1BB-445F-9566-F14F09127BA7_cx0_cy4_cw0_w1023_r1_s.jpg)


(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e33848fd21e64b5db614137d04419036313d7ce2/831_490_3156_1776/3156.jpg?width=700&height=394&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=80e10aa36a37c7f4e1ec18823f687362)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: austingirl on October 19, 2018, 10:46:54 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp4NoX8XcAAwjeU.jpg)

You just know that they'll be productive members of society./s
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 19, 2018, 10:49:26 pm
You break into a country, you're an invader.  Treat each of them as such. 
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: skeeter on October 19, 2018, 11:07:12 pm
You just know that they'll be productive members of society./s

No girls with babies in that lot. My head says diplomacy is the answer but my heart says open fire.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 19, 2018, 11:26:27 pm

Migration Horde Advances, Next Stop USA – Mexico Puts Up Token Resistance, Promises To Call on United Nations…
By Curt No Comments Fri, Oct, 19th, 2018


    As expected the government of Mexico put up token resistance (https://twitter.com/Harlan/status/1053370343153455114) at their southern border (video laughable) and allows thousands of economic migrants passage to the U.S. Mexico border.

    Rebuking the strongly worded demands of President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo the insufferable Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Videgaray tells media his country will now call on the United Nations to intervene.   Yes, it’s up to the U.N. now….   More at Flopping Aces (http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted/migration-horde-advances-next-stop-usa-mexico-puts-up-token-resistance-promises-to-call-on-united-nations/)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 19, 2018, 11:43:45 pm
Welcome to America's future - as previously seen in Europe just recently.

Notice any similarities with what you see above?

(https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1536681/migrant-crisis-then-now.jpg)
(https://work949.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/muslims-in-budapest-reailway-station2.jpg)
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160229104223-01-migrant-crisis-0229-restricted-super-169.jpg)
(https://fsmedia.imgix.net/69/52/35/73/3ab0/4bbd/9e79/14cdb80575aa/gettyimages-494326384.jpeg?rect=0%2C0%2C3000%2C1500&auto=format%2Ccompress&w=1200)
(https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/GettyImages-494326182-1160x772.jpg)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/11/19/world/19MIGRANTS/19MIGRANTS-facebookJumbo.jpg)

Camp of the Saints is becoming fulfilled prophetic history.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 19, 2018, 11:48:35 pm
No girls with babies in that lot. My head says diplomacy is the answer but my heart says open fire.

It's an invasion army.

Get Abrams and Apaches on line and get the 214th R-Squadron up there with the 190th AS in full load-out support with weapons-free ROE:

(https://i.imgur.com/eMA2aL0.gif)

There are enough Jihadists mixed in with that mob to warrant putting real fear into them.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Wingnut on October 20, 2018, 12:33:24 am
Look at all the future Democrat voters.   
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 20, 2018, 12:38:00 am
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Joe Bastardi  Verified account @BigJoeBastardi

Is it me or if you are marching north with flags of another country are you not an invading force,  If they were singing the national anthem and carrying American flags thats one thing, And since it costs 28 million to fund them why dont they just keep the money and stay
Good points.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 20, 2018, 10:06:42 am
Paging George Soros, please pick up the white courtesy phone ....

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’We are hungry!” Migrants wail at Mexico-Guatemala border
Associated Press, Oct 20, 2018

TECUN UMAN, Guatemala (AP) — A standoff between thousands of Central American migrants trying to reach the United States and Mexican police stretched through the night with some migrants hanging from the closed border gate wailing “there are children here” while others slept on the crowded bridge linking Guatemala to Mexico.

Members of the caravan of more than 3,000 migrants had earlier burst through a Guatemalan border fence and rushed onto the bridge over the Suchiate River, defying Mexican authorities’ entreaties for an orderly crossing and U.S. President Donald Trump’s threats of retaliation.

But they were met Friday by a wall of police with riot shields on the Mexican side of the bridge. About 50 managed to push their way through before officers unleashed pepper spray and the rest retreated, joining the sea of humanity on the bridge.

Police and immigration agents began letting small groups of 10, 20 or 30 people through the gates if they wanted to apply for refugee status. Once they file a claim, they can go to a shelter to spend the night.

As night fell on the bridge, the migrants’ frustration turned to despair as women clutching small children took up the rows in front of the gate pleading with the Mexican federal police. Some migrants yelled “We are hungry!” Others wailed that they had children while others set up tarps to prepare for the night sleeping on the increasingly dirty and befouled bridge.

“Please, it is night. Let us pass,” Alba Luz Giron Ramirez, a former shop employee and mother of three, pleaded to the officers.

Giron said they had come from San Pedro Sula, Honduras, and that gangs had killed her brother and threatened her.

“We want them to give us permission to go to Mexico,” her 5-year-old son Ramon said in a child’s voice. “We wouldn’t stay.”

Alison Danisa wept as she knelt in the garbage already piling up on the bridge, clutching her naked 11-month-old infant to her breast.

“We have suffered so much. She has a fever and we brought nothing,” she said, showing the baby’s bare bottom to indicate they had no diapers.

A Mexican marine official with a loudspeaker approached the gate and told migrants they would be taken in trucks to “a humanitarian attention center” in Tapachula, a border city in the Mexican state of Chiapas. But the official did not say when this would happen.



More:  https://www.apnews.com/f817576eef064523b55101d02c0a11f7 (https://www.apnews.com/f817576eef064523b55101d02c0a11f7)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: goatprairie on October 20, 2018, 10:25:26 am
These are the same people trying to leave their sh*thole countries who were  primarily responsible for making them sh*thole countries. They want to do the same thing here.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 20, 2018, 04:04:48 pm
These are the same people trying to leave their sh*thole countries who were  primarily responsible for making them sh*thole countries. They want to do the same thing here.

Worse.  It's a paid mercenary invasion army.

'Refugees' do not come carrying their flags and bum rushing gates and checkpoints.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: skeeter on October 20, 2018, 04:07:57 pm
These are the same people trying to leave their sh*thole countries who were  primarily responsible for making them sh*thole countries. They want to do the same thing here.

Why is this so hard for some to understand? Honduras is just a spot on the map like any other. Its the human inhabitants that make it suck so badly.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 20, 2018, 04:54:43 pm
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UN calls on Mexico, US to respect migrants
Associated Press, Oct 19, 2018

4:30 p.m.
 
The U.N. special investigator on the human rights of migrants has a message for the Mexican and U.S. governments: Respect the human rights of every person on the caravan heading from Central America and consider each case individually.
 
Felipe Gonzalez Morales told a news conference at U.N. headquarters in New York on Friday that "there cannot be massive collective expulsions, for instance, in violation of international law."
 
Some 3,000 migrants are currently trying to enter Mexico from Guatemala and hope to get to the U.S.
 
Gonzalez said that in destination countries there has been a trend toward "xenophobia" which has left many migrants fearing to go into public spaces or tribunals "for fear of being attacked or not taken seriously."
 
He said Mexico and the United States should establish channels for "regular migration."
 
Gonzalez said he requested an official visit to the United States in March but has not received a response from the Trump administration.


3:45 p.m.
 
The head of Mexico's federal police says the first two buses have arrived at the Mexico-Guatemala border crossing so that immigration officials can take women, children and seniors away to be processed safely.
 
Manelich Castilla tells Milenio TV it is part of their plan to process the 3,000 some migrants who are trying to enter Mexico from Guatemala.
 
But at the bridge migrants, who have formed orderly lines, are refusing to board the buses fearing that they will simply be deported.
 
 
Some are chanting "Walk! Walk!" insisting that they prefer to continue on foot.
 
Manelich also blamed people who were not part of the caravan for attacking police with powerful firecrackers and rocks.



More:  https://www.lmtonline.com/news/world/article/The-Latest-Migrants-prepare-to-cross-into-Mexico-13320295.php#photo-16360855 (https://www.lmtonline.com/news/world/article/The-Latest-Migrants-prepare-to-cross-into-Mexico-13320295.php#photo-16360855)


Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: dfwgator on October 20, 2018, 04:57:33 pm
Gonzalez said that in destination countries there has been a trend toward "xenophobia" which has left many migrants fearing to go into public spaces or tribunals "for fear of being attacked or not taken seriously."

So they'd be safer then in their home countries.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 20, 2018, 05:14:05 pm
So they'd be safer then in their home countries.
Safer and happier. No xenophobia or unfamiliar languages.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: goatprairie on October 20, 2018, 05:19:51 pm
Safer and happier. No xenophobia or unfamiliar languages.
Strange. They wish to live in a country where "white supremacy" keeps all non-whites down. Why do they wish to come here with all the nasty white racists not allowing non-whites to prosper?
Sure is puzzling.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 20, 2018, 05:44:03 pm
Why is this so hard for some to understand? Honduras is just a spot on the map like any other. Its the human inhabitants that make is suck so badly.

And... like locusts... they will overwhelm our system eventually (as intended and designed).... and the USA will devolve into just another 3rd world cesspool, only much, much worse.... since the dregs of other societies have been swarming across our borders for decades.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 20, 2018, 05:54:31 pm
And... like locusts... they will overwhelm our system eventually (as intended and designed).... and the USA will devolve into just another 3rd world cesspool, only much, much worse.... since the dregs of other societies have been swarming across our borders for decades.

Camp of the Saints, that is the plan both the UN and Soros/Marxists/Jihadists the world over have adopted as the way to destroy Western civilization and remake it in their image.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 20, 2018, 06:05:11 pm
Camp of the Saints, that is the plan both the UN and Soros/Marxists/Jihadists the world over have adopted as the way to destroy Western civilization and remake it in their image.

Yep.  And little do these "migrant" useful idiots and pawns know... but if the Soros Marxists and Jihadists ever gain complete control of the US.... they will be the first ones eliminated by these leftists in mass genocide events.  It's how the radical left and radical Muslims roll, after all.

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 20, 2018, 06:20:30 pm
Yep.  And little do these "migrant" useful idiots and pawns know... but if the Soros Marxists and Jihadists ever gain complete control of the US.... they will be the first ones eliminated by these leftists in mass genocide events.  It's how the radical left and radical Muslims roll, after all.

Uhmmmmm....  those "migrant masses" - are ALREADY Commie Socialists and willing dependents of the State and have been their whole lives.

Instead of military invasions with tanks and troops, they have learned from the Soros/Obama instigated Arab Spring - to invade nations via pretending to be "refugees" and to conquer them from within and breed the natives out of existence.

THAT is what that army of Hondurans/South America is all about - with a sprinkling of Jihadists in there for good measure.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 20, 2018, 06:41:47 pm
Uhmmmmm....  those "migrant masses" - are ALREADY Commie Socialists and willing dependents of the State and have been their whole lives.

Instead of military invasions with tanks and troops, they have learned from the Soros/Obama instigated Arab Spring - to invade nations via pretending to be "refugees" and to conquer them from within and breed the natives out of existence.

THAT is what that army of Hondurans/South America is all about - with a sprinkling of Jihadists in there for good measure.

What it's all about, aside from the obvious infiltration by Democrats of "millions of future DemocRat voters".... is about a showdown timed right before the next election.  They figure it's a lose-lose scenario for Trump.   

They figure if he goes all Rambo and stops the migrant mob with military force, the blow-back will be reflected by horrified voters handing control of Congress back to the rats.   On the other hand, if he does not follow through on his threats, and instead allows the thousands in the mob (not to mention thousands more on their way) to enter the USA... the Soros rats are counting on the GOP and Trump supporters that trusted him to NOT back down on immigration ...to jump ship and either vote Democrat or not vote at all.   Either way they figure Trump is screwed and they win.

I posit that they're wrong, as usual.   The focus on this invading hoard will galvanize more voters to vote GOP (ie for Trump's wall) this November.  It .... will..... backfire.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 20, 2018, 08:31:46 pm
UN calls on Mexico, US to respect migrants

Cyber Liberty calls on the UN
to piss up a rope, and while you're at it, move your HQ to a shithole country you help keep impoverished.  They would be happy to have you in, say, Somalia.  We'll be happy to clear the books of millions of unpaid parking tix in NYC,  Win-win!
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 20, 2018, 08:34:27 pm
What it's all about, aside from the obvious infiltration by Democrats of "millions of future DemocRat voters".... is about a showdown timed right before the next election.  They figure it's a lose-lose scenario for Trump.   

They figure if he goes all Rambo and stops the migrant mob with military force, the blow-back will be reflected by horrified voters handing control of Congress back to the rats.   On the other hand, if he does not follow through on his threats, and instead allows the thousands in the mob (not to mention thousands more on their way) to enter the USA... the Soros rats are counting on the GOP and Trump supporters that trusted him to NOT back down on immigration ...to jump ship and either vote Democrat or not vote at all.   Either way they figure Trump is screwed and they win.

I posit that they're wrong, as usual.   The focus on this invading hoard will galvanize more voters to vote GOP (ie for Trump's wall) this November.  It .... will..... backfire.

The unexpected twist in the Rat plan is Trump convinced Mexico to at least try to stop them.  This is new.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 20, 2018, 08:36:31 pm
The unexpected twist in the Rat plan is Trump convinced Mexico to at least try to stop them.  This is new.

But are they trying?  Really?   Doesn't look like it to me.

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 20, 2018, 08:44:52 pm
But are they trying?  Really?   Doesn't look like it to me.

I don't expect them to be 100% successful, they're new at this after spending years just kicking back and watching them, safe in the knowledge they aren't stopping there.  They are trying now, in the sense they have already ID'ed ISIS insurgents among the urchins.  The "caravan" shtick is not new, but the reaction to it on the part of Guatemala and Mexico is. 

I have a feeling this was an intregal part of the trade agreement just passed with Canada and Mexico.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 20, 2018, 10:04:50 pm

Cyber Liberty calls on the UN
to piss up a rope, and while you're at it, move your HQ to a shithole country you help keep impoverished.  They would be happy to have you in, say, Somalia.  We'll be happy to clear the books of millions of unpaid parking tix in NYC,  Win-win!
Works for me.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: libertybele on October 21, 2018, 06:06:59 am
How President Trump handles this and what happens along our southern borders will be a focus during the election.  The video is disturbing and an eye opener as to what Mexico is going through and of course their ultimate destination is here.  Pompeo is in agreement to Mexico and the UN processing these people to determine who is seeking asylum and those will be placed in host countries, including the U.S.  Once granted asylum in the U.S., after one year will be eligible to apply for residency, given a social security card and will be able to legally work in the U.S.

Power in numbers ... mob rules!

Migrant caravan clashes with Mexican police, waits on bridge at Guatemalan-Mexican border

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/americas/caravan-mexico-border/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/americas/caravan-mexico-border/index.html)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 21, 2018, 01:55:41 pm

Where are the women and children in the photo??

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Migrant caravan re-forming to resume push north, uncertain if it can reach US
Fox News, Oct 20, 2018, Jeffrey Rubin

(https://a57.foxnews.com/a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/10/640/320/1862/1048/migrant_caravan.jpg?ve=1&tl=1?ve=1&tl=1)

About 2,000 Central American migrants who avoided Mexican law enforcement at a border bridge and swam or floated across from Guatemala have decided to reconstitute their mass caravan and continue the push north toward the U.S.

Gathered at a park in the border city of Ciudad Hidalgo, the migrants voted,  then marched to the bridge to urge those still there to cross the river and join them, The Associated Press reported on Saturday night.

"Let's all walk together!" and "Yes we can!" they cried, defying warnings to turn back this week from President Trump, who has sought to make immigration, border security and the human caravan from Central America priority campaign issues ahead of next month's midterm elections.

Rodrigo Abeja, a caravan leader, said that Sunday morning, they would move on toward Tapachula, Mexico, near the Guatemalan border.

"We don't yet know if we will make it to the (U.S.) border," he told AP, "but we are going to keep going as far as we can."


More:  https://www.foxnews.com/world/migrant-caravan-re-forming-to-resume-push-north-uncertain-if-it-can-reach-us (https://www.foxnews.com/world/migrant-caravan-re-forming-to-resume-push-north-uncertain-if-it-can-reach-us)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: skeeter on October 21, 2018, 02:21:04 pm
Where are the women and children in the photo??

There's no way this 'caravan' can make it to the US without help from Mexico.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 02:56:08 pm
Where are the women and children in the photo??

The video we saw on FNC last night showed all the women and children bunched up at the head of the line, so if any force is used to stop them the women and children will be hurt first. 

Sounds just like Palestinians, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 03:19:06 pm
The video we saw on FNC last night showed all the women and children bunched up at the head of the line, so if any force is used to stop them the women and children will be hurt first. 

Sounds just like Palestinians, doesn't it?

It's for that and for the photo optics.  Trying to show that the hoard is families, when it's really mostly able-bodied males... just like the Syrian "refugees".  All orchestrated and contrived, same hoard, and probably the same orchestrators.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-singlehandedly-created-european-refugee-crisis-and-why (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-singlehandedly-created-european-refugee-crisis-and-why)


Quote
"Can’t you see that you’ll simply be feeding your enemy, fattening up a million invaders?"

Camp Of The Saints - Jean Raspail

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 21, 2018, 04:06:21 pm
It's for that and for the photo optics.  Trying to show that the hoard is families, when it's really mostly able-bodied males... just like the Syrian "refugees".  All orchestrated and contrived, same hoard, and probably the same orchestrators.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-singlehandedly-created-european-refugee-crisis-and-why (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-singlehandedly-created-european-refugee-crisis-and-why)

With the same intentions: bury and subjugate the native population and remake the country into their image.

Red Dawn would have been preferable to this because at least in that scenario - we would win.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 04:12:19 pm
With the same intentions: bury and subjugate the native population and remake the country into their image.

Red Dawn would have been preferable to this because at least in that scenario - we would win.

In a Red Dawn scenario, the enemy would be clearly armed.  In this scenario, their weapons are, in fact, their shield.... the fact that they are not armed ... are supposedly harmless victims... and are merely seeking refuge or asylum from violence.   Problem is.... this flood of "victims" will only continue and get worse IF we let them in.  Right now it's 4,000.  What if it ends up being 4,000,000?    Where do we draw the line?  If not here and now, where?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 21, 2018, 04:23:15 pm
In a Red Dawn scenario, the enemy would be clearly armed.  In this scenario, their weapons are, in fact, their shield.... the fact that they are not armed ... are supposedly harmless victims... and are merely seeking refuge or asylum from violence.   Problem is.... this flood of "victims" will only continue and get worse IF we let them in.  Right now it's 4,000.  What if it ends up being 4,000,000?    Where do we draw the line?  If not here and now, where?

You cited that link to Soros and Obama having orchestrated the Muslim 'Refugee crisis' in Europe.  Look a the results of that.  It was an invasion army and Europe is being  conquered from within and violence, rape , murder and other crap literally goes unpunished as their society is fundamentally transformed into Islamic states.

They are attempting to do the same thing here with South Americans/Mexicans with a sprinkling of ISIS and Jihadists among them for good measure.

If we do not treat that as an invasion army with hostile intent - then we lose the country as Sweden, Germany, France and the Netherlands already have, and all these 'politics' we are busying ourselves with are an exercise in silly futility, as an assured fate of being conquered from within by an army of migrant Communists and Islamists is assured.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 04:30:36 pm
You cited that link to Soros and Obama having orchestrated the Muslim 'Refugee crisis' in Europe.  Look a the results of that.  It was an invasion army and Europe is being  conquered from within and violence, rape , murder and other crap literally goes unpunished as their society is fundamentally transformed into Islamic states.

They are attempting to do the same thing here with South Americans/Mexicans with a sprinkling of ISIS and Jihadists among them for good measure.

If we do not treat that as an invasion army with hostile intent - then we lose the country as Sweden, Germany, France and the Netherlands already have, and all these 'politics' we are busying ourselves with are an exercise in silly futility, as an assured fate of being conquered from within by an army of migrant Communists and Islamists is assured.

We've been promised "military on the border" to stop this flood.  Is there anybody stupid enough to believe that's going to happen?  I've even heard the National Guard may be used, which is laughable because the states have been lining up to refuse to do it.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 04:32:56 pm
You cited that link to Soros and Obama having orchestrated the Muslim 'Refugee crisis' in Europe.  Look a the results of that.  It was an invasion army and Europe is being  conquered from within and violence, rape , murder and other crap literally goes unpunished as their society is fundamentally transformed into Islamic states.

They are attempting to do the same thing here with South Americans/Mexicans with a sprinkling of ISIS and Jihadists among them for good measure.

If we do not treat that as an invasion army with hostile intent - then we lose the country as Sweden, Germany, France and the Netherlands already have, and all these 'politics' we are busying ourselves with are an exercise in silly futility, as an assured fate of being conquered from within by an army of migrant Communists and Islamists is assured.

Right.  But let's assume, for a moment, that none of these migrants are leftist-minded, communists or jihadists.  Even if that were true.... the ongoing assault on our economy will eventually collapse our system, as intended by the anti-American (anti-Western) enemies of the USA.  It is literally the leftist Democrats' Cloward-Piven moist dream being played out in real time.  Their only lament is probably that it is taking too long to collapse Uncle Sam's house.  They want it yesterday.  Or at least...  before the 2016 election of Donald Trump. 

Seriously... if Trump doesn't handle this correctly, we're screwed.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: jpsb on October 21, 2018, 04:37:46 pm
And... like locusts... they will overwhelm our system eventually (as intended and designed).... and the USA will devolve into just another 3rd world cesspool, only much, much worse.... since the dregs of other societies have been swarming across our borders for decades.

A special thanks goes to George W Bush <spit>.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: jpsb on October 21, 2018, 04:43:58 pm
We've been promised "military on the border" to stop this flood.  Is there anybody stupid enough to believe that's going to happen?  I've even heard the National Guard may be used, which is laughable because the states have been lining up to refuse to do it.

Use the USMC. There is more then enough time to build a barrier. Hungary build 100's of miles of secure fencing in a couple of weeks then used their army to defend it. We could do the same.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 04:53:10 pm
Use the USMC. There is more then enough time to build a barrier. Hungary build 100's of miles of secure fencing in a couple of weeks then used their army to defend it. We could do the same.

The leftist EPA would demand an Environmental Impact Statement.  They will sue themselves to get it done, it's happened before.  Meanwhile, Mexico will refuse to allow it on their side of the border.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see it, but I wouldn't make book on it.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: jpsb on October 21, 2018, 04:56:12 pm
The leftist EPA would demand an Environmental Impact Statement.  They will sue themselves to get it done, it's happened before.  Meanwhile, Mexico will refuse to allow it on their side of the border.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see it, but I wouldn't make book on it.

Trump declares a State of Emergency. Let's see them sue that.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 21, 2018, 05:20:43 pm
Right.  But let's assume, for a moment, that none of these migrants are leftist-minded, communists or jihadists.  Even if that were true.... the ongoing assault on our economy will eventually collapse our system, as intended by the anti-American (anti-Western) enemies of the USA.  It is literally the leftist Democrats' Cloward-Piven moist dream being played out in real time.  Their only lament is probably that it is taking too long to collapse Uncle Sam's house.  They want it yesterday.  Or at least...  before the 2016 election of Donald Trump. 

Seriously... if Trump doesn't handle this correctly, we're screwed.

We are screwed no matter how he handles this now.  A Welfare State with open borders as BOTH parties have engineered and enabled AND WANT, ensures that we go Coward-Piven and if we attempt to stop it now after decades of hordes massing into us from the South - riotous bloodshed and violence to prohibit any efforts to seal the border.

Be that as it may, Trump needs to militarize the border, close the border and tell the world that this is a state of emergency and America is CLOSED for immigration for now.

We either defend our borders in this manner, or we tell the world that as long as we are concerned - America has no borders and free handouts to anyone who wants to come on in and have their lives paid for by the existing population.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 05:23:04 pm
Trump declares a State of Emergency. Let's see them sue that.

Assuming he does that, an assumption not in evidence.  A rat Judge will declare the SoE illegal and allow the EPA to sue itself anyway.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 05:31:57 pm
We are screwed no matter how he handles this now.  A Welfare State with open borders as BOTH parties have engineered and enabled AND WANT, ensures that we go Coward-Piven and if we attempt to stop it now after decades of hordes massing into us from the South - riotous bloodshed and violence to prohibit any efforts to seal the border.

Be that as it may, Trump needs to militarize the border, close the border and tell the world that this is a state of emergency and America is CLOSED for immigration for now.

We either defend our borders in this manner, or we tell the world that as long as we are concerned - America has no borders and free handouts to anyone who wants to come on in and have their lives paid for by the existing population.

If Trump does that.... would you then support him?   I sure as hell will/would.  Does he have the courage to do that.... ie what is required... to keep our nation a sovereign nation?  We shall see.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 05:45:46 pm
If Trump does that.... would you then support him?   I sure as hell will/would.  Does he have the courage to do that.... ie what is required... to keep our nation a sovereign nation?  We shall see.

I don't think he will do it, instead look for some half-assed measure.  This would be a case of me not being on the train.  Probably you too.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 05:49:07 pm
I don't think he will do it, instead look for some half-assed measure.  This would be a case of me not being on the train.  Probably you too.

If he doesn't do something to keep the invading hoards out of America.... he knows full well that he will lose in 2020 and the GOP will lose bigly in a couple of weeks.  I don't see that he has any choice....

IF he cares about losing.  And I think he does.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 05:57:56 pm
If he doesn't do something to keep the invading hoards out of America.... he knows full well that he will lose in 2020 and the GOP will lose bigly in a couple of weeks.  I don't see that he has any choice....

IF he cares about losing.  And I think he does.

Not if he is like Theodin having a Wormtongue press whispering in his ear.  ("The Two Towers" was on one of the movie channels last night)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 21, 2018, 06:03:29 pm
If he doesn't do something to keep the invading hoards out of America.... he knows full well that he will lose in 2020 and the GOP will lose bigly in a couple of weeks.  I don't see that he has any choice....

IF he cares about losing.  And I think he does.
It's a tough choice for any president. Some even might see it as a no-win situation. If he masses troops at the border, then what? Start shooting at the poor widdle innocent "women and children" (yeah, I know, they were just added as props)? Oh, the humanity!

Or let them in, show such great compassion - and further destroy this country?

Personally, I see them as an invading army and they should be dealt with as such, but too many Americans let their tender hearts overrule common sense.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 06:09:07 pm
It's a tough choice for any president. Some even might see it as a no-win situation. If he masses troops at the border, then what? Start shooting at the poor widdle innocent "women and children" (yeah, I know, they were just added as props)? Oh, the humanity!

Or let them in, show such great compassion - and further destroy this country?

Personally, I see them as an invading army and they should be dealt with as such, but too many Americans let their tender hearts overrule common sense.

Yeah, but I suspect most of those Americans are lefties... and aren't Trump supporters anyway.  Let's face it.  Illegal immigration was the main issue Trump was elected for.  If he doesn't follow through on at least this one/main issue.... he is toast.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 21, 2018, 06:40:30 pm
If Trump does that.... would you then support him?

When Trump acts to uphold right and proper things, I support those things he does.

I do not support the man and never will - I will only support the actions he does that I agree with.   

Does he have the courage to do that.... ie what is required... to keep our nation a sovereign nation?  We shall see.

Let's just say that I am not investing or hedging any bets that he will.

BOTH parties see a migrant horde of third world squatters as future voters and taxpayers to keep their ponzi schemes and control over the people afloat.  They have no intention whatsoever to secure the borders.

If Trump actually believes that we must, then he will need to act beyond mere words and do as the CINC should do regardless of the outrage of both parties.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 21, 2018, 06:43:52 pm
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Alison Danisa wept as she knelt in the garbage already piling up on the bridge, clutching her naked 11-month-old infant to her breast.

“We have suffered so much. She has a fever and we brought nothing,” she said, showing the baby’s bare bottom to indicate they had no diapers.
Really? What kind of parent does this? This is pure child abuse. Why didn't Soros/the Soros minion fill her backpack with Pampers when he was handing them out?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 06:47:29 pm
Really? What kind of parent does this? This is pure child abuse. Why didn't Soros/the Soros minion fill her backpack with Pampers when he was handing them out?

For the same reason some broad took her kids with her to protest Senators who voted to confirm Kavanaugh.  They're props, like the kind you see on a stage.  To the actors, they aren't real.  I feel sorry for children thrust into the role of "prop."
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 06:51:40 pm
Really? What kind of parent does this? This is pure child abuse. Why didn't Soros/the Soros minion fill her backpack with Pampers when he was handing them out?

Saw that Mexico has asked for help from the UN.  (lololol)

Gee... I think we should prompt the UN to round up all of those nice folks and ship them off to the nearest socialist utopia.  Free transport and settlement services.  Maybe Trump should make that suggestion.    :whistle:
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: libertybele on October 21, 2018, 06:52:54 pm
I'm hoping that this opens everybody's eyes as to what is truly going on.  They are here.  Who really thinks that the U.N. now being involved is going to turn these people away?  They will grant just about every darn one of them asylum.  How many do you think will be in the next caravan mob headed for the U.S.?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 21, 2018, 07:02:11 pm
Saw that Mexico has asked for help from the UN.  (lololol)

Gee... I think we should prompt the UN to round up all of those nice folks and ship them off to the nearest socialist utopia.  Free transport and settlement services.  Maybe Trump should make that suggestion.    :whistle:
Yeah, I understand Cuba has free medical care.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 07:05:02 pm
Yeah, I understand Cuba has free medical care.

It'll be for their own good, of course.  Cause... you know... we wouldn't want to inflict any of that eeeevil capitalism upon them.  That would be cruel and inhumane. 
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Fishrrman on October 21, 2018, 07:07:25 pm
What would happen if there was A WALL along the border?

(http://i1.wp.com/speakinginbytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/running-into-a-wall.gif?fit=1024%2C1024)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 07:16:15 pm
What would happen if there was A WALL along the border?

(http://i1.wp.com/speakinginbytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/running-into-a-wall.gif?fit=1024%2C1024)

Mexico would be providing ladders and rope to the migrants.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 21, 2018, 07:22:39 pm
Feisty ☀️Floridian  @Feisty_FL   2h2 hours ago

They look well dressed, fat & happy. I lived in a 3rd world country, I know what hungry looks like. I’ve seen homeless Veterans look worse. Let’s help our Veterans, our homeless & our poor. America’s middle class is not the welfare provider for the world. #JobsNotMobs
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 07:26:07 pm
Feisty ☀️Floridian  @Feisty_FL   2h2 hours ago

They look well dressed, fat & happy. I lived in a 3rd world country, I know what hungry looks like. I’ve seen homeless Veterans look worse. Let’s help our Veterans, our homeless & our poor. America’s middle class is not the welfare provider for the world. #JobsNotMobs

Yeah... come to think of it, none of the people I've seen in those pictures look malnourished or like they've missed many meals.   Then again, if you're getting paid to leave your home and march on America.... what does food have to do with it.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 21, 2018, 07:29:19 pm
Feisty ☀️Floridian  @Feisty_FL   2h2 hours ago

They look well dressed, fat & happy. I lived in a 3rd world country, I know what hungry looks like. I’ve seen homeless Veterans look worse. Let’s help our Veterans, our homeless & our poor. America’s middle class is not the welfare provider for the world. #JobsNotMobs

Well I for one am calling that mob of "migrants' what they are: an invasion army - with a sprinkling of children and women for photo-op propaganda purposes.

Call them what they are, not what the media and our political caste rulers tell us they are.



And I will add, if our government will not protect us from this invasion - then it is wholly illegitimate and we must protect our borders ourselves.

But then, this government will gun you down so it can keep the borders open and the invaders fed and provided for on your children's tax dime.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: skeeter on October 21, 2018, 07:34:06 pm
Feisty ☀️Floridian  @Feisty_FL   2h2 hours ago

They look well dressed, fat & happy. I lived in a 3rd world country, I know what hungry looks like. I’ve seen homeless Veterans look worse. Let’s help our Veterans, our homeless & our poor. America’s middle class is not the welfare provider for the world. #JobsNotMobs

If I were El Presidente I'd deal with this column of invaders as would any military force would - approach from the rear and cull about 500 migrants away at a time and drive each lot back south until the entire mob has been dealt with. I don't know why the Mexican government would allow themselves to be made to look impotent as they are.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 07:36:29 pm
If I were El Presidente I'd deal with this column of invaders as would any military force would - approach from the rear and cull about 500 migrants away at a time and drive each lot back south until the entire mob has been dealt with. I don't know why the Mexican government would allow themselves to be made to look impotent as they are.

Because.... they're..... in on it and complicit.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 21, 2018, 08:37:29 pm
If I were El Presidente I'd deal with this column of invaders as would any military force would - approach from the rear and cull about 500 migrants away at a time and drive each lot back south until the entire mob has been dealt with. I don't know why the Mexican government would allow themselves to be made to look impotent as they are.

Because they too are involved in importing an army to invade the USA, which they think they will reconquinista.

Think Red Dawn without the Russians and with Jihadists and Soros Marxists and you have the same idea taking place.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Fishrrman on October 21, 2018, 08:40:02 pm
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/invasion-caravan-swells-to-over-7200-mexico-police-stand-down-as-illegal-migrants-march-to-us/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/invasion-caravan-swells-to-over-7200-mexico-police-stand-down-as-illegal-migrants-march-to-us/)

UPDATE: NOW OVER TWO MILES LONG! Caravan Swells to Well Over 7,200; Mexico Police Stand Down as Illegal Migrants March to US

by Kristinn Taylor
October 21, 2018

The illegal migrant caravan is sweeping through Chiapas in southern Mexico on Sunday, their numbers having jumped to over 7,000 overnight from just a few thousand as it became apparent the caravan would not be stopped by Mexico. After blocking the migrants on a bridge Friday, Mexican officials allowed the migrants to swim and raft across the Suchiate River from Guatemala into Mexico Saturday and then regroup in a riverside park. Mexico also allowed over 600 women and children to legally enter for processing on Saturday

More at URL above, including video & pics...
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: skeeter on October 21, 2018, 08:42:38 pm
Because they too are involved in importing an army to invade the USA, which they think they will reconquinista.

Think Red Dawn without the Russians and with Jihadists and Soros Marxists and you have the same idea taking place.

This whole thing has me extremely p*ssed off.

https://www.breitbart.com/news/migrant-caravan-swells-to-5000-resumes-advance-toward-us/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/migrant-caravan-swells-to-5000-resumes-advance-toward-us/)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 08:57:48 pm
This whole thing has me extremely p*ssed off.

https://www.breitbart.com/news/migrant-caravan-swells-to-5000-resumes-advance-toward-us/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/migrant-caravan-swells-to-5000-resumes-advance-toward-us/)

I've heard this before:  If Trump doesn't find a way to get a handle on this bunch, he's finished in 2020, which, in practical terms, means he's finished right now. 

Your move, Mr. President.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 21, 2018, 09:15:39 pm
I've heard this before:  If Trump doesn't find a way to get a handle on this bunch, he's finished in 2020, which, in practical terms, means he's finished right now. 

Forget Trump.

If this invasion army is permitted to breach our borders, then we're finished as a country, right now.

The whole world will see that we have demonstrated that we have no borders we are willing to guard and that we are open for plunder.

It's that simple.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: skeeter on October 21, 2018, 09:21:05 pm
Forget Trump.

If this invasion army is permitted to breach our borders, then we're finished as a country, right now.

The whole world will see that we have demonstrated that we have no borders we are willing to guard and that we are open for plunder.

It's that simple.

I realize that its been a long time coming but I believe this is that fork in the road.

As far as Trump goes what he does next will define his administration. Nothing else he has done or will do will matter.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 09:30:40 pm
Forget Trump.

If this invasion army is permitted to breach our borders, then we're finished as a country, right now.

The whole world will see that we have demonstrated that we have no borders we are willing to guard and that we are open for plunder.

It's that simple.

It rather depends on what the guy called "Mr. President" does about it, no?  We already know where the other Branches stand on this.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 21, 2018, 09:31:28 pm
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James Fredrick   @jameslfredrick

Guatemalan journalist @luisassardo just sent me this message from Esquipulas, Guatemala, near the Honduran border:
2,000 more leaving Honduras. Asking for volunteers and donations to help.
A caravan may be marching but the best way to describe this moment is an exodus
So we're up to what, 7,000 or more by now?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Wingnut on October 21, 2018, 09:33:53 pm
So we're up to what, 7,000 or more by now?

Chump numbers.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 09:34:16 pm
I realize that its been a long time coming but I believe this is that fork in the road.

As far as Trump goes what he does next will define his administration. Nothing else he has done or will do will matter.

As far as Trump goes what he does next will define his administration the United States of America.

Fixed it.  If Trump blows this, we're all screwed.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 21, 2018, 10:06:26 pm
FB post:
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John Haller
October 19 at 10:40 AM

About 1,700 miles. 25 miles per day walking would take 68 days. If they make if faster than that, something's up (I already know something is up).
I wonder whether they've had luxury motor coaches to take them over the rough places, the mountains, the beaches, etc. 
   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Mod1 on October 21, 2018, 10:08:24 pm
threads merged
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: skeeter on October 21, 2018, 10:43:14 pm
As far as Trump goes what he does next will define his administration the United States of America.

Fixed it.  If Trump blows this, we're all screwed.

Yep. It’s crunch time in the good ol USA
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 21, 2018, 11:02:47 pm
FB post:I wonder whether they've had luxury motor coaches to take them over the rough places, the mountains, the beaches, etc. 
   *****rollingeyes*****

They've been using trains.  Choo-choos.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 21, 2018, 11:33:08 pm
I hope whatever they were paid is worth it. Their current living conditions don't look very nice (but at least they're not starving, to say the least).

@mountaineer

I wonder how many of them have Iphones.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 21, 2018, 11:34:18 pm
You break into a country, you're an invader.  Treat each of them as such.

@Right_in_Virginia, do you think Trump would really send the military to the border?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 21, 2018, 11:37:52 pm
I realize that its been a long time coming but I believe this is that fork in the road.

As far as Trump goes what he does next will define his administration. Nothing else he has done or will do will matter.

@skeeter

I think so.  If hordes of illegals can force their way into the country untested, we don't have a border and we might as well give up the pretense.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Wingnut on October 21, 2018, 11:41:27 pm
@mountaineer

I wonder how many of them have Iphones.

All of them?   
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 11:43:14 pm
@mountaineer

I wonder how many of them have Iphones.

One woman apparently either has money or friends with money... since her two year old daughter recently had a heart operation.  Where did that kind of cash come from?  Or does Honduras provide free healthcare including major surgery?  Somehow, I doubt it.

https://www.breitbart.com/news/migrant-caravan-swells-to-5000-resumes-advance-toward-us/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/migrant-caravan-swells-to-5000-resumes-advance-toward-us/)

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 21, 2018, 11:51:00 pm
All of them?

Probably, poor impoverished things.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 21, 2018, 11:52:41 pm
One woman apparently either has money or friends with money... since her two year old daughter recently had a heart operation.  Where did that kind of cash come from?  Or does Honduras provide free healthcare including major surgery?  Somehow, I doubt it.

https://www.breitbart.com/news/migrant-caravan-swells-to-5000-resumes-advance-toward-us/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/migrant-caravan-swells-to-5000-resumes-advance-toward-us/)

@XenaLee

Nailed it.  Google search said healthcare in Honduras is tied to income level.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Wingnut on October 21, 2018, 11:53:46 pm
Probably, poor impoverished things.

I think They all were  sent Obama phones.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2018, 11:55:39 pm
@XenaLee

Nailed it.  Google search said healthcare in Honduras is tied to income level.

So... it's not only not "free"..... it's based on a caste system.   Oh my.   That sounds worse even than our eeeeevil capitalism! 

So she either had a high paying job (doubtful).....

or she lied.

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: berdie on October 21, 2018, 11:57:55 pm
Saw that Mexico has asked for help from the UN.  (lololol)

Gee... I think we should prompt the UN to round up all of those nice folks and ship them off to the nearest socialist utopia.  Free transport and settlement services.  Maybe Trump should make that suggestion.    :whistle:


I think that is a grand idea. Let them resettle where the UN can find a place. Not here...on a cruise ship to Europe. If they are truly refugees...it won't matter.

Of course we know that won't happen .....but I think it is a grand idea and should be the answer to the problem.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 22, 2018, 12:00:40 am
I think They all were  sent Obama phones.


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIAhcgsDvnRjmorr54qpHZmIIJUl5z0tsL_6PS7Z178994-td9)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 22, 2018, 12:02:22 am
So we're up to what, 7,000 or more by now?

More like 11,0000 - at least based on an amateur estimation of aerial photos and videos from this PM.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 22, 2018, 12:03:27 am
So... it's not only not "free"..... it's based on a caste system.   Oh my.   That sounds worse even than our eeeeevil capitalism! 

So she either had a high paying job (doubtful).....

or she lied.

Most likely.

I'd like to know where the children are.  I don't see any, and only a few women.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 22, 2018, 12:29:16 am
Most likely.

I'd like to know where the children are.  I don't see any, and only a few women.
See upthread the story that mentions a woman dragging a naked diaperless baby along on this little expedition.  She whines about not having money for diapers. Really?  So let's set out on a trip with the baby anyway?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 22, 2018, 12:54:00 am
See upthread the story that mentions a woman dragging a naked diaperless baby along on this little expedition.  She whines about not having money for diapers. Really?  So lets set out on a trip with the baby anyway?

Oh for God's sake.  Nobody believes that but it'll be one more reason for outrage, and the "migrants" know how to work it by now.  This is mass insanity.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 01:21:20 am
Quote
Migrant Caravan Swells to More Than 5,000 As Group Marches Toward US
Washington Post, Oct 21, 2018, 6:55 PM

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/HtdYlpf--HN8S2RdzDWan1z16LI=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/S2AAFCGVLAI6RA5C2HB5UKGWWY.jpg)

TAPACHULA, Mexico — The caravan of migrants from Central America grew to roughly 5,000 Sunday, a massive group that stretched along this city’s main highway for more than a half-mile.

They spoke in different accents, fleeing different disasters: joblessness in parts of Honduras, a mounting political crisis in Nicaragua, cities in Guatemala where they were sure their children would languish as they had.

And then there were the deportees. Many of the migrants here had previously lived in the United States, for years or even decades, joining the caravan to reunite with their children, or to resume old jobs. They were undeterred by the American authorities who had apprehended them or the U.S. president who promised to keep them out again.

Some of them had returned voluntarily to their home countries long ago, but eventually determined that there was nothing there for them. Now, they were traversing Mexico while President Trump tweeted about their journey, demanding that the migrants apply for asylum in Mexico before continuing north, threatening to close the U.S. border as Mexican authorities appeared to allow the caravan to proceed.

“It’s time for me to go back to the United States. It’s a country where I can live my life, unlike Guatemala,” said Job Reyes, 36, who had spent most of his childhood and teenage years in Los Angeles, attending kindergarten through high school there.  [...]

Imner Anthony Fuentes, 29, had the same reaction. He had been deported five months ago from Birmingham, Ala. His son was still living there, with his U.S. citizen girlfriend, not far from the framing store where Fuentes had worked for six years. He was used to the back-and-forth: He said he had been deported six times.

“That’s just how it is,” Fuentes said. “They catch you, and you try to get back.”


More:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/migrant-caravan-swells-to-more-than-5000-as-group-marches-toward-us/2018/10/21/2c864bec-d546-11e8-8384-bcc5492fef49_story.html?utm_term=.4f32d6e00aed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/migrant-caravan-swells-to-more-than-5000-as-group-marches-toward-us/2018/10/21/2c864bec-d546-11e8-8384-bcc5492fef49_story.html?utm_term=.4f32d6e00aed)


Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 01:22:43 am
@Right_in_Virginia, do you think Trump would really send the military to the border?

I think they're begging him to @CatherineofAragon   From the looks of it, they will leave the POTUS no choice.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: libertybele on October 22, 2018, 01:24:26 am


The U.N. will now take over and decide the fate of these 5,000 as to whether or not they are granted asylum and those who are will be placed in host countries; including the U.S.A.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Silver Pines on October 22, 2018, 01:28:23 am
I think they're begging him to @CatherineofAragon   From the looks of it, they will leave the POTUS no choice.

@Right_in_Virginia

I agree.  We'll probably have people marching in the streets again, but let them.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 01:28:37 am
Quote
Mexican authorities had refused to allow the caravan mass entry from Guatemala, instead accepting small groups to process asylum requests and handing out some 45-day visitor permits. An estimated 1,500 were still on the Guatemalan side of the Suchiate, hoping to enter legally.

But police could do little if anything in the face of the throngs who avoided the official entry point and crossed the notoriously porous border elsewhere.

Migrants marching north Sunday said they gave up on Mexico because the application process was too slow, and most wanted to continue to the United States anyway.

“We’re warriors, we got to get to the place we got to get to. We’re gonna keep on going and we’re not gonna stop,” Luis Puerto, 39, of Colon, Honduras, said in English.

https://www.apnews.com/b709e05ec83c49e6876ff612141ae942 (https://www.apnews.com/b709e05ec83c49e6876ff612141ae942)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2018, 01:28:45 am
And will be here, heck, I don't know, you know the mid-term is about 16 days away, that seems like that is when they might get here.  I have no idea what a walking pace would be.... mountains, deserts and so on..... So, politically motivated it seems. Another poster came up with the time frame but it makes sense.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 01:31:45 am
Quote
Donald J. Trump
Verified accountï‚™ @realDonaldTrump 

Full efforts are being made to stop the onslaught of illegal aliens from crossing our Souther Border. People have to apply for asylum in Mexico first, and if they fail to do that, the U.S. will turn them away. The courts are asking the U.S. to do things that are not doable!

12:11 PM - 21 Oct 2018 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1054087893034172418?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 22, 2018, 01:34:49 am
I think they're begging him to @CatherineofAragon   From the looks of it, they will leave the POTUS no choice.

Here's the problem with that sending the military to the border bit.   The caravan is probably intending to enter the US via the California border right before the election.  It's going to be a massive cluster-you-know-what due to the leftist, open borders, sanctuary state ""leadership"" there currently (Brown).  Considering the resistance Trump will have just sending the US military there, it's probably not going work.... and all of those "migrants" will probably be welcomed with opened arms by Brown. 

If, on the other hand, the caravan doesn't get there until AFTER the Nov. 6 election and if a miracle happens.... ie a Republican Governor (Cox) is elected vs. Newsom.... it might be a whole different scenario.  Everything is, quite literally, up in the air.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 01:35:19 am
The U.N. will now take over and decide the fate of these 5,000 as to whether or not they are granted asylum and those who are will be placed in host countries; including the U.S.A.

Have you a link for this?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 01:36:34 am
Here's the problem with that sending the military to the border bit.   The caravan is probably intending to enter the US via the California border right before the election.  It's going to be a massive cluster-you-know-what due to the leftist, open borders, sanctuary state ""leadership"" there currently (Brown).  Considering the resistance Trump will have just sending the US military there, it's probably not going work.... and all of those "migrants" will probably be welcomed with opened arms by Brown. 

If, on the other hand, the caravan doesn't get there until AFTER the Nov. 6 election and if a miracle happens.... ie a Republican Governor (Cox) is elected vs. Newsom.... it might be a whole different scenario.  Everything is, quite literally, up in the air.

Quarantine them in Mexico for three months, at a minimum.  Our health matters, too.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 22, 2018, 01:42:38 am
“We’re warriors, we got to get to the place we got to get to. We’re gonna keep on going and we’re not gonna stop,”

(https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_42/2608471/181017-caravan-guatemala-honduran-migrants-se-253p_d0c508e7d392fee5f3c021734d954686.fit-760w.jpg)

Take a good look folks.

This is what is coming: "Warriors".

Not "refugees", not 'Migrants", WARRIORS. 

Out of their own mouths they tell us that they are an invasion army - and our government defers to the UN to tell us how many we must let in.

We go the way of Europe - only faster.

(https://theuniversalspectator.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/mostly-men-muslim-refugee.jpg)


Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 22, 2018, 01:44:24 am
Quarantine them in Mexico for three months, at a minimum.  Our health matters, too.

They're not even quarantining the ones coming in as we speak.  The so-called shelters and border enforcement facilities are already over-flowing.  And how really stupid is it of that Luis idiot claiming that they are "warriors".  Like.. on top of spreading any diseases they have, they also are claiming to be that?  Seriously?    Not just no, but HELL no.

Quote
“We’re warriors, we got to get to the place we got to get to. We’re gonna keep on going and we’re not gonna stop,” Luis Puerto, 39, of Colon, Honduras, said in English.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 01:44:28 am
IMO this is war; and the Democrats are not on America's side.

Quote
The heavily financed horde of Central American migrants has overwhelmed the token resistance from Mexican military and advanced north toward the Southern U.S. border.  As described by the Associated Press today: “growing army of migrants resumes march toward US.”  This is a well financed, well organized, left-wing political operation strategically timed to reach the U.S. border and coincide with the 2018 mid-term election.

Estimates as to the number of economic migrants varies between 7,000 to 10,000 and the numbers are growing fast as they are now facilitated by, and joined by, ideological comrades within Mexico.   The ‘invasion force’ is now more than two-miles long. The group claims to be fleeing violence in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, yet the group has deployed violence against Mexican officials who are vastly outnumbered.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/10/21/growing-invasion-force-overwhelms-mexican-authorities-approximately-10000-now-traveling-through-mexico-to-u-s-southern-border/#more-155694
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 01:50:15 am
“We’re warriors, we got to get to the place we got to get to. We’re gonna keep on going and we’re not gonna stop,”

(https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_42/2608471/181017-caravan-guatemala-honduran-migrants-se-253p_d0c508e7d392fee5f3c021734d954686.fit-760w.jpg)

Take a good look folks.

This is what is coming: "Warriors".

Not "refugees", not 'Migrants", WARRIORS. 

Out of their own mouths they tell us that they are an invasion army - and our government defers to the UN to tell us how many we must let in.

We go the way of Europe - only faster.

(https://theuniversalspectator.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/mostly-men-muslim-refugee.jpg) 

Fire up the tear gas

(http://i.imgur.com/fNNTzoP.jpg)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 02:09:07 am
Anything the President tries to do legally will be struck down by a judge. He should call the Mexican president and tell him if these people get within a 100 miles of our border the U.S military will cross the Rio Grande and create a buffer zone.  Then close the border and halt all money transfers to Mexico.



Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 22, 2018, 02:13:18 am
Anything the President tries to do legally will be struck down by a judge. He should call the Mexican president and tell him if these people get within a 100 miles of our border the U.S military will cross the Rio Grande and create a buffer zone.  Then close the border and halt all money transfers to Mexico.

Maybe Trump should just announce that the US is taking over Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico... to fix their governments so that these poor people don't have to "flee" from their own damned countries.  It'll be for the cheeldren.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 22, 2018, 02:52:18 am
IMO this is war; and the Democrats are not on America's side.

Neither are the Republicans and the entirety of this government.

Something you are about to see for yourself firsthand if recent history, and all the rumblings I am reading play out as I think they are.

Of course, an emoting people are easily beguiled by kabuki theater, window dressing and empty statements.

Closing the border and stopping all Immigration at this time is imperative if we are going to survive another generation, and you already know that no one in government has any intention of doing that, even if Trump himself actually does - which I doubt.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: goatprairie on October 22, 2018, 04:12:52 am
Here's the problem with that sending the military to the border bit.   The caravan is probably intending to enter the US via the California border right before the election.  It's going to be a massive cluster-you-know-what due to the leftist, open borders, sanctuary state ""leadership"" there currently (Brown).  Considering the resistance Trump will have just sending the US military there, it's probably not going work.... and all of those "migrants" will probably be welcomed with opened arms by Brown. 

If, on the other hand, the caravan doesn't get there until AFTER the Nov. 6 election and if a miracle happens.... ie a Republican Governor (Cox) is elected vs. Newsom.... it might be a whole different scenario.  Everything is, quite literally, up in the air.
If Trump does nothing, he's toast in 2020. If he sends fed. troops and Brown refuses to help or interferes, Trump should have him arrested.
I guess most conservatives know how important this particular situation is.  If not handled correctly, it's the end of America as we have known it.  Liberals are determined to destroy the country. We can't let them.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 22, 2018, 05:27:34 am
I guess most conservatives know how important this particular situation is.  If not handled correctly, it's the end of America as we have known it. 

There is NO WAY to handle "it' correctly with a pussified and PC-wimped generation of emoting Americans who buy the optics of a manufactured event or person to sate and suit their itching ears and sensibilities.

The ONLY way to handle it - is to call the Invasion Army what it is - and not allow it to be referenced as 'migrants; 'refugees'; or 'asylum seekers' - regardless whether or not they have families with children pushed to the fore for the perfect shields and photo op.

Close the borders, shut down ALL immigration - repel invaders and prepare for the riots and mayhem the Left and this government will incite because they want the Trojan Horse brought into our gates.

Well, actually the horse was let in decades ago.  All we're doing is bitching about putting a fence up to slow the tide.

A welfare state with open borders cannot survive another generation.  A nation with avowed Islamic enemies with open borders cannot survive another decade.

A nation, that has abandoned it foundational principles for the gratification of promise and platitude, is already doomed to be conquered.

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 22, 2018, 07:38:40 am
If you ponder to think about the logistics of this paid invasion operation, the scope of it starts getting clearer.

The horde are moving through cartel territory in Mexico, where the police presence is either non-existent or on cartel payroll. The cartels want their cut on every head passing through...or an arrangement has been made in advance.

Why couldn't Mexico stop 5000 invaders? Are they that weak.... or was it because they didn't want to and other 'arrangements' have been made?

Think about this, how many tons of food does it take to feed 10,000 plus people per day moving North through an entire country?  .Who is supplying all that food and water in the midst of an impoverished 3rd world hellhole that has it's own citizens scrambling North to get onto our welfare system?

This is all coordinated in advance, with local officials.  We've already seen the videos of cash being handed out to the "migrants" who call themselves "warriors" and bore their own flags.

This Invasion column has to be cooperating with Mexican officials and the cartels or there is no way such an invasion force is able to move at such distance with plenty of provision.

And most of the pics are of military aged males in that horde of invaders.  The women and kids are pushed up front and along the sides for photo-ops.

We are about to be invaded by a force of hostiles with the full intention to plunder and worse.

Look at Europe today.  That is your future tomorrow.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 11:48:34 am
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Ragged, growing caravan of migrants resumes march toward US
Associated Press, Oct 22, 2018

TAPACHULA, Mexico (AP) — A growing caravan of Honduran migrants streamed through southern Mexico on Sunday heading toward the United States, after making an end-run around Mexican agents who briefly blocked them at the Guatemalan border.

They received help at every turn from sympathetic Mexicans who offered food, water and clothing. Hundreds of locals driving pickups, vans and cargo trucks stopped to let them clamber aboard.

Besi Jaqueline Lopez of the Honduran city of San Pedro Sula carried a stuffed polar bear in a winter cap that seemed out of place in the tropical heat. It’s the favorite — and only — toy of her two daughters, 4-year-old Victoria and 3-year-old Elisabeth, who trudged beside her gleaming with sweat.

A business administration graduate, Lopez said she couldn’t find work back home and hopes to reach the United States, but would stay in Mexico if she could find employment here.

“My goal is to find work for a better future for my daughters,” she said.

In dozens of interviews along the journey, they have said they are fleeing widespread violence, poverty and corruption in Honduras. The caravan is unlike previous mass migrations for its unprecedented large numbers, and because it largely began spontaneously through word of mouth.

Guatemala’s migration agency confirmed that another group of about 1,000 migrants crossed into the country from Honduras on Sunday.


More:  https://apnews.com/b709e05ec83c49e6876ff612141ae942?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP 
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: verga on October 22, 2018, 11:50:13 am

Cyber Liberty calls on the UN
to piss up a rope, and while you're at it, move your HQ to a shithole country you help keep impoverished.  They would be happy to have you in, say, Somalia.  We'll be happy to clear the books of millions of unpaid parking tix in NYC,  Win-win!
We need to the UN right the F%^K out of here. They are useless, actually less than Useless.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Applewood on October 22, 2018, 11:50:50 am
Couldn't sleep, so early this a.m., I was up watching some overnight news from ABC.  Of course, there was a segment about the caravan and ABC has a reporter travelling with them.  The report was designed to tug at the heart strings.   One sob story after the other.  One woman with her kids said her husband had been killed by gangs. In another portion of the story, a child is overcome by the heat and collapses.  According to the story, all these people are escaping poverty and violence and are coming here for a better life.  Of course, it's not mentioned  that they want us taxpayers to just  give them that better life free of charge.

Added to the guilt trip coming from the media is one from the Catholic Church.  There was an interview with some clergyman who repeated the church's previous position that we Americans have to take these people in, or we aren't good Christians.  I used to be a Catholic and had at one point considered returning to the church.  But the church's constant guilt trip on its members is wearying.  Don't we all pay taxes that go to these countries in the form of foreign aid?  Don't many people of faith contribute to their churches' missions in some of these countries?  Seems to me that we Americans do far more for the less fortunate than anyone else in the world.  But the rest of the world insists we don't do enough.  The H with that. 

I refuse to be guilted into welcoming the invaders and giving them the good life at our expense.  Enough is enough.   Treat them as any other invasionary force.  If they don't go home and cross our border, shoot them.  Let the UN, the Catholic Church and the rest of the world whine and complain.  Our government's first and foremost obligation is to protect us citizens.  If the president and the rest of our representatives in DC aren't going to do that, then they should be removed from office.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: verga on October 22, 2018, 12:05:06 pm
Anything the President tries to do legally will be struck down by a judge. He should call the Mexican president and tell him if these people get within a 100 miles of our border the U.S military will cross the Rio Grande and create a buffer zone.  Then close the border and halt all money transfers to Mexico.
Not just Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras as well.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: jpsb on October 22, 2018, 12:07:05 pm
Anything the President tries to do legally will be struck down by a judge. He should call the Mexican president and tell him if these people get within a 100 miles of our border the U.S military will cross the Rio Grande and create a buffer zone.  Then close the border and halt all money transfers to Mexico.

Declare a state of emergency, deploy 2cd Marine Division to secure the southern border with fencing backed up with armed guard towers.  Just like they have a Guantanamo Bay.

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/04/24/National-Security/Images/Gbay00001.jpg)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2018, 12:07:19 pm
Not just Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras as well.

Agree!
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: verga on October 22, 2018, 12:11:19 pm

Added to the guilt trip coming from the media is one from the Catholic Church.  There was an interview with some clergyman who repeated the church's previous position that we Americans have to take these people in, or we aren't good Christians.  I used to be a Catholic and had at one point considered returning to the church.  But the church's constant guilt trip on its members is wearying.
This is not Catholic Doctrine, this is the rantings of a few ultra liberal clergy. According to the Catholic Catechism, you owe support to your family first, and then if you are able and want to help others according to your ability. I forget exactly which paragraphs that is in but it is around 1900- 2100, dealing with the 4th Commandment. Like Demoncrats there is a lot of liberal Clergy that like to quote the CC out of context.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Applewood on October 22, 2018, 02:31:19 pm
This is not Catholic Doctrine, this is the rantings of a few ultra liberal clergy. According to the Catholic Catechism, you owe support to your family first, and then if you are able and want to help others according to your ability. I forget exactly which paragraphs that is in but it is around 1900- 2100, dealing with the 4th Commandment. Like Demoncrats there is a lot of liberal Clergy that like to quote the CC out of context.

More than a few and they include a liberal, socialist pope. 
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: cato potatoe on October 22, 2018, 03:09:40 pm
Libs have a mental block where immigration is concerned.  Either that, or they have no clue what the world is like beyond our borders.  Billions of people are impoverished all over the planet.  The USA and NW Europe are tiny by comparison.  We could throw everything we have at the problem and it wouldn't make a dent.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: verga on October 22, 2018, 03:28:29 pm
More than a few and they include a liberal, socialist pope.
No argument, but you shouldn't let the actions of individuals keep you from your faith.
We know that there are corrupt politicians, but we still engage in the process.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 22, 2018, 03:57:47 pm
Meanwhile, I haven't seen any mention of this little hitch in their get-along:

There are two hurricanes moving into Mexico from the Pacific this week!  Vicente is presently a Tropical Storm, and will be making landfall in the southern part of Mexico.  But a bigger enchilada is Willa to the north and is presently a Cat 5 packing 165 MPH winds.  Willa was expected to stay Cat2 or 3, but unexpectedly spun up to a strong 5.  Her track is forecast to sweep all the way across Mexico to the Gulf of Mexico around Brownsville. 

Both will be making landfall tomorrow night.  I wonder if these invaders thought to bring raincoats?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: skeeter on October 22, 2018, 04:00:56 pm
Meanwhile, I haven't seen any mention of this little hitch in their get-along:

There are two hurricanes moving into Mexico from the Pacific this week!  Vicente is presently a Tropical Storm, and will be making landfall in the southern part of Mexico.  But a bigger enchilada is Willa to the north and is presently a Cat 5 packing 165 MPH winds.  Willa was expected to stay Cat2 or 3, but unexpectedly spun up to a strong 5.  Her track is forecast to sweep all the way across Mexico to the Gulf of Mexico around Brownsville. 

Both will be making landfall tomorrow night.  I wonder if these invaders thought to bring raincoats?

"No one will stop us but God"
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 22, 2018, 04:03:00 pm
Go, Willa! Go, Willa!
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 22, 2018, 04:06:28 pm
(https://www.hurricanezone.net/tcgraphics/star/EP4/ir.jpg?1540224207)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 22, 2018, 04:09:43 pm
"No one will stop us but God"

God always has the final word.  Frankly, I'm shocked this development is getting ZERO coverage in the press.  But then, Pacific storms usually don't.  I watch for them because I can get a lot of rain from them.

If Willa and Vicente catch them by surprise, a lot of people are going to die.

This is TD Vicente:
(https://www.hurricanezone.net/tcgraphics/star/EP3/ir.jpg?1540224207)
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: DCPatriot on October 22, 2018, 04:23:21 pm
If I was the POTUS, I would cite the painting of swastikas on the American flag as reasons for warning them there will be orders given to shoot to kill if they cross our border.

These are future patriotic Americans?

Ordinarily, I would type "eff them"....but not today.  Bleep all of them.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 22, 2018, 04:27:51 pm
If I was the POTUS, I would cite the painting of swastikas on the American flag as reasons for warning them there will be orders given to shoot to kill if they cross our border.

These are future patriotic Americans?

Ordinarily, I would type "eff them"....but not today.  Bleep all of them.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbs:

It's a paid invasion army using 'migrants' to plunder the country and aid the Commie Revolutionista like Soros and the Left did with the Islamic migrant invasion of Europe a couple years ago.

Treat them as such, even if they are paying women and families to be used as photo-op pawns like the Palestinians do.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: DCPatriot on October 22, 2018, 04:34:21 pm
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbs:

It's a paid invasion army using 'migrants' to plunder the country and aid the Commie Revolutionista like Soros and the Left did with the Islamic migrant invasion of Europe a couple years ago.

Treat them as such, even if they are paying women and families to be used as photo-op pawns like the Palestinians do.

So.....we find something upon which we can agree?   See?   :beer:

Frankly, I'm very intrigued by how this is all going to pan out by election day....the caravan's optics.

Donald Trump was elected on the Immigration Issue by itself.  Because enough voters cared about it to vote for him.

Add two years of economic orgasms and the typical working family in the Swing States are living better.

Going to be fascinating indeed.   
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 22, 2018, 04:44:59 pm
So.....we find something upon which we can agree?   See?   :beer:

We would likely agree on several issues concerning core foundational principles.   I just will never align them with party or persons.

Frankly, I'm very intrigued by how this is all going to pan out by election day....the caravan's optics.

It's not just for the election.  It's another means of hastening fundamental transformation, because it worked for that bunch in Europe with the Islamic 'refugees'.

They are attempting to do the same thing here.

Donald Trump was elected on the Immigration Issue by itself.  Because enough voters cared about it to vote for him.

And we will see whether or not he was just all talk and no substance or if he truly does 'fight' as you assert.

Because if ever a street brawl and a waving off of morons in government to act on EO was warranted by a president - THIS issue is.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 22, 2018, 05:05:42 pm
Topic I posted about the storms.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337401.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337401.0.html)

I know this isn't getting much coverage, but this could have a major impact on the invasion force.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: DCPatriot on October 22, 2018, 05:10:42 pm
Topic I posted about the storms.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337401.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337401.0.html)

I know this isn't getting much coverage, but this could have a major impact on the invasion force.


Suddenly thinking that the few thousand or so that reach the border after being out in 2 hurricanes.... huge sympathy opinion there.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2018, 05:23:19 pm
2009,  the Obama admin. with Hillary as SOS finagled with the leadership of Honduras. Some say, they helped put a vile dictatorship in place.  Looks complicated, I vaguely remember the story.

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This exodus comes at a time of extraordinary tensions even for Honduras, a country still reeling from the effects of a coup d’état in 2009. A highly contested presidential election in November drew thousands of demonstrators to the streets, where at least 22 protesters and bystanders were killed, most of them bysecurity forces.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/karlazabludovsky/most-people-in-the-caravan-are-from-honduras-this-is-why (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/karlazabludovsky/most-people-in-the-caravan-are-from-honduras-this-is-why)  Read about it here. 

Some justify the caravan with this above.  Maybe this is the argument the migrants use.

Also, saw this per Larry Elder's twitter:

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Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 22, 2018, 05:24:49 pm

Suddenly thinking that the few thousand or so that reach the border after being out in 2 hurricanes.... huge sympathy opinion there.

Assuming any make it at all.  This is a Michael strength storm here, already a Cat 5, and if they don't get caught in the storm, there will be major aftermath impeding the invasion.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: XenaLee on October 22, 2018, 05:32:57 pm
Assuming any make it at all.  This is a Michael strength storm here, already a Cat 5, and if they don't get caught in the storm, there will be major aftermath impeding the invasion.

I'm sure the Soros thugs will be handing out free umbrellas for all that hold the line. 

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Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 22, 2018, 08:08:40 pm
If I was the POTUS, I would cite the painting of swastikas on the American flag as reasons for warning them there will be orders given to shoot to kill if they cross our border.
I agree, and it needs to be said NOW. Anyone have a pipeline to the White House?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: DCPatriot on October 22, 2018, 08:14:07 pm
I agree, and it needs to be said NOW. Anyone have a pipeline to the White House?

What would happen then is the news feeds will be filled with hysterical, hungry, disheveled children with bad haircuts in danger of being crushed by the onslaught behind them.

Not going to be pretty. :shrug:
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: libertybele on October 22, 2018, 08:46:09 pm
I'm sure the Soros thugs will be handing out free umbrellas for all that hold the line. 

(http://rs391.pbsrc.com/albums/oo351/rocbayne1980/Funny/c7527bfd.gif~c200)

Well, I really think there should be thousands of MAGA umbrellas shipped in to help out!
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 23, 2018, 12:11:08 am
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Sara A. Carter   Verified account @SaraCarterDC
3h3 hours ago

Guatemalan intelligence discovered people from India, Bangladesh, Africa had also joined in with the caravan -I bumped into a number of young MS 13 gang members. @JudicialWatch Chris Farrell and Guatemalan Secretary of Strategic Intelligence Mario Duarte on the border w/ me
A surprise to absolutely no one with working brain cells.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Fishrrman on October 23, 2018, 12:43:18 am
Applewood wrote above:
"Couldn't sleep, so early this a.m., I was up watching some overnight news from ABC..."

Thanks for posting, but your report illustrates why I will no longer watch ANY news on tv, nothing at all.

When I sit down for Jeopardy! in the evening, if the ABC news is still on, I put the volume on "mute".

I read that the migrant invaders have swollen to 10,000, with the possibility that thousands upon thousands of MEXICANS will join them in the march towards the border.

Again I must state: this is right out of "The Camp of the Saints" by Jean Raspail. In his book, the throngs (a million strong) arrive by sea, then storm the beaches of France because the politicians won't use the military to stop them.

It looks like this is going to be repeated here, but the storming will be across "the sands" of the southern border.

Folks, there's nothing that can stop this now EXCEPT by the display (and possibly use) of military force.

Seems like Kelley in the White House may have been doing his best to dissuade Mr. Trump from sending troops to the border. I sense that John Bolton was promoting the idea (I could be wrong about that). But really, it's Mr. Trump's decision; if he ORDERS the commanders to do what they have to, they will do so.

I also agree with what Right in Virginia said:
"He should call the Mexican president and tell him if these people get within a 100 miles of our border the U.S military will cross the Rio Grande and create a buffer zone.  Then close the border and halt all money transfers to Mexico."

Exactly. And if the Mexican president says he will resist the presence of such troops, well, fine -- let the shooting start.
I predict any "war" with Mexico and Mexican troops will be over in about 30 minutes.

ONE THING I'M ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF (and the shouting is intentional):
If these invaders get through, it will be only weeks (or a couple of months) before THE NEXT "march northward" begins, perhaps with many more thousands.

I put up a post yesterday here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337132.msg1826223.html#msg1826223 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337132.msg1826223.html#msg1826223)
I expected to be roundly criticized for it, but not a peep from anyone.

The question really is no longer "what must be done to stop the invasion?"
It has now become:
"Are you really really really willing to do what is required to stop the invasion?"

Well...
Are you?
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: libertybele on October 23, 2018, 01:06:26 am
Applewood wrote above:
"Couldn't sleep, so early this a.m., I was up watching some overnight news from ABC..."

Thanks for posting, but your report illustrates why I will no longer watch ANY news on tv, nothing at all.

When I sit down for Jeopardy! in the evening, if the ABC news is still on, I put the volume on "mute".

I read that the migrant invaders have swollen to 10,000, with the possibility that thousands upon thousands of MEXICANS will join them in the march towards the border.

Again I must state: this is right out of "The Camp of the Saints" by Jean Raspail. In his book, the throngs (a million strong) arrive by sea, then storm the beaches of France because the politicians won't use the military to stop them.

It looks like this is going to be repeated here, but the storming will be across "the sands" of the southern border.

Folks, there's nothing that can stop this now EXCEPT by the display (and possibly use) of military force.

Seems like Kelley in the White House may have been doing his best to dissuade Mr. Trump from sending troops to the border. I sense that John Bolton was promoting the idea (I could be wrong about that). But really, it's Mr. Trump's decision; if he ORDERS the commanders to do what they have to, they will do so.

I also agree with what Right in Virginia said:
"He should call the Mexican president and tell him if these people get within a 100 miles of our border the U.S military will cross the Rio Grande and create a buffer zone.  Then close the border and halt all money transfers to Mexico."

Exactly. And if the Mexican president says he will resist the presence of such troops, well, fine -- let the shooting start.
I predict any "war" with Mexico and Mexican troops will be over in about 30 minutes.

ONE THING I'M ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF (and the shouting is intentional):
If these invaders get through, it will be only weeks (or a couple of months) before THE NEXT "march northward" begins, perhaps with many more thousands.

I put up a post yesterday here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337132.msg1826223.html#msg1826223 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,337132.msg1826223.html#msg1826223)
I expected to be roundly criticized for it, but not a peep from anyone.

The question really is no longer "what must be done to stop the invasion?"
It has now become:
"Are you really really really willing to do what is required to stop the invasion?"

Well...
Are you?

Sounds good.  However, you are forgetting one important issue.  Pompeo and Trump have already agreed to allow the invaders to apply for asylum in Mexico and allow the UN to determine who will be granted asylum and they will be placed in host countries; with the U.S. being one of the hosts.

So ... so far all this talk about calling in the military, national guard etc., has been lip service. Yes, I'm waiting for Trump to make good on what he says.  So far ... the invasion continues.

So he withholds money.  What good does that do?  Nearly 10,000 are either en route or already here.  That's not going to do squat to stop these people. 
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: INVAR on October 23, 2018, 01:08:20 am
The question really is no longer "what must be done to stop the invasion?"
It has now become:
"Are you really really really willing to do what is required to stop the invasion?"

Well...
Are you?

You and I both know the answer to that question.

The government's answer is most definitely NO - and like Camp of The Saints, and as we saw in Europe recently - our own "Government" is going to be complicit in letting this invasion army come in here, one way or another.  The beachhead inside this country has already been established over the last two decades plus.

I think the following quote is appropriate to apply to this country right now:

"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - John Adams - Letter to Abigail

There is no suicide hotline available for nations of people intent on killing themselves because they think it is the right thing to do.

Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: mountaineer on October 24, 2018, 12:58:05 pm

Charlie Kirk  Verified account @charliekirk11

If the Honduran caravan was full of valuable human capital, why isn’t the Mexican government trying to let them stay in their country?

🤔
8:10 PM - 23 Oct 2018
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: austingirl on October 24, 2018, 03:55:09 pm
Dan Patrick (TX) on Fox business just asked who is funding the caravan, not only providing food and toilet facilities, but paying their cell phone bills. I find it astonishing that these impoverished people have cell phones.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Applewood on October 24, 2018, 06:21:46 pm
Dan Patrick (TX) on Fox business just asked who is funding the caravan, not only providing food and toilet facilities, but paying their cell phone bills. I find it astonishing that these impoverished people have cell phones.


Well, so do ours, thanks to Obama and our tax dollars. But I agree -- someone or something is financing this invasion despite all the denials I've seen. It's just like Black Lives Matter, Occupy whatever, Antifa,  protests anytime some black punk is shot by the police and all the other mayhem in this country.  Despite what the media would have us all believe, these are not just a few people "trying to make a difference" or whatever the phrase du jour is today.  They are all highly organized and everything is provided and paid for. 


I saw one shot of this caravan.  A few guys in front had reflective vests.  I doubt rathole countries like Honduras know what those vests are, let alone have them widely available.
Title: Re: Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Post by: Suppressed on October 24, 2018, 08:59:42 pm
Dan Patrick (TX) on Fox business just asked who is funding the caravan, not only providing food and toilet facilities, but paying their cell phone bills. I find it astonishing that these impoverished people have cell phones.

They aren't claiming to be impoverished.  They're claiming oppression.